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Four NATO battalions near Russian borders should not be underestimated

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Four NATO battalions near Russian borders should not be underestimatedNATO decided to deploy (on a rotational basis) the four battalions of the alliance in Poland and the Baltic countries in response to the so-called Russian aggression. The number of troops deployed may seem insignificant, but the significance of this event is extremely important in terms of the defense of our borders.


A diplomatic source close to the North Atlantic alliance, confirmed RIA "News”That the deployment of NATO advanced troops in Poland and the Baltic countries will begin in January 2017. The day before, the defense ministers of 28 of the NATO member countries approved the deployment of one battalion of the alliance on a rotating basis in Latvia, Lithuania, Estonia and Poland.

According to the head of the Pentagon, Ashton Carter, following the NATO ministerial meeting, the main countries to form four battalions will be the United States, Germany and the United Kingdom.

Simultaneously with the announcement of the deployment of the NATO military in Poland and the Baltic states, the alliance made another decision on the "Eastern Question". On Wednesday, NATO leaders and representatives of the Kiev authorities approved a Comprehensive Plan to Support Military Reforms in Ukraine, for which the Alliance advisers will be sent to the country. This was stated by Stoltenberg after the meeting of the NATO-Ukraine Commission at the level of defense ministers. According to the NATO Secretary General, the reform of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine will end in 2020 year. "We are confident that when the reform plan is implemented, the Armed Forces of Ukraine will fully meet the criteria of NATO," TASS quotes Stoltenberg.

In turn, the head of the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine Stepan Poltorak said that Ukraine at meetings with NATO representatives raised the issue of their participation in the alliance's initiatives to strengthen its presence in the Black Sea, but there is no specifics on it yet.

Continuous presence

Officials in the United States have already commented on the imminent deployment of NATO troops in Eastern Europe.
According to US Permanent Representative to NATO Douglas Lute, the number of each unit deployed in Poland and the Baltic States can be from 800 to 1 thousand people, they will replace each other every 6 – 9 months, but this will ensure the continuous presence of the battalions in these countries.

The exact composition of the battalions has not yet been determined. However, the representative of the alliance noted: the NATO leadership expects that they will have the ability to self-defense and have certain armored reconnaissance capabilities, as well as air defense and artillery.

The German edition of DW emphasizes that the expansion of the presence of NATO troops in the east of the alliance is in order to contain Russia.

Expansion during the "Anaconda"

The decision on the deployment of additional battalions was made when the largest stories NATO exercises "Anaconda-2016". The main part of the exercises involving airplanes, ships, military vehicles and 31 thousands of military (12 thousands from Poland) from 18 NATO countries and 5 countries of the Partnership for Peace program will be held in Poland on June 7 – 17. Thousands of pieces of military equipment, 3 airplanes and helicopters, and 105 ships are involved in the teachings. Recall that the exercises "Anaconda" are held from 12 year every two years.


How do the military capabilities of Russia and NATO

"For a possible attack on Russia"

Associate Professor of the Department of Political Science and Sociology of the PRUE. Plekhanov, an expert of the Association of Military Political Scientists, Alexander Perendzhiev, notes that at the first approximation it may seem that what is happening near the borders of Russia does not threaten it, but in reality the situation may look different.

He explained that the Anaconda exercise was conducted in the context of the further development of NATO’s military infrastructure along the borders with Russia. The expert expressed confidence that the project for the deployment of the forward detachments of the alliance as part of the free battalions was ready even before the holding of military exercises. And the information that the deployment will begin in January next year, and not later, indicates the appearance of appropriate sources of funding.

“Why was this decision made? It is clear that a meeting of NATO defense ministers was held. Apparently, during this meeting, a specific search began for sources of funding for these battalions. I think this creates an informational agenda on the eve of the NATO summit in Warsaw. This shows how quickly issues are resolved, ”Perendzhiev told the VIEW.

As for the issues of direct threat to Russia, the expert believes that for the time being the foundation is being created for putting pressure on our borders. “Where there are four battalions, then on their base you can build up a grouping.” Therefore, it should be considered as a threat. Units near the Russian borders appear that are not divisions of a particular country, but as NATO troops. And this speaks of purposefulness against the country where they are located. Talking about protection is weird. These states can also defend themselves. And NATO troops can come to the rescue. And if they deploy them, it means that this is no longer for defense, but the buildup of a group is precisely for a possible attack on Russia, ”Alexander Perendzhiev believes.

Moscow protest


Russia has repeatedly expressed concern about the expansion of NATO to the east. Moscow noted that this violates the Russia-NATO Founding Act. A spokesman for the Russian president, Dmitry Peskov, said earlier that Russia was not a threat to anyone, but would not disregard the actions of the West.

Andrei Kelin, director of the department of pan-European cooperation at the Foreign Ministry, said on Wednesday that “if NATO at the Warsaw summit finally approved the deployment of four alliance battalions in the Baltic States and Poland, this will be one of the topics discussed at the next meeting of the Russia-NATO Council”. “Military activities were the subject of the previous meeting, which took place on April 20,” he reminded, adding that the issue of holding a meeting of the council “is still under discussion.”
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  1. Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 18 June 2016 18: 25
    -8
    Four NATO battalions can only settle near the borders of the Baltic states, if suddenly Russia decides to attack the unnecessary Spratia.
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 18 June 2016 18: 31
      +56
      Underestimating the adversary leads to errors, reassessing the adversary leads to fear and self-destruction. Look at the enemy soberly and calmly.
      This is I Bushido and Sun Tzu summarized.

      You don’t need to be afraid, but you shouldn’t throw your hats either - just a sober and calm calculation.
      1. PN
        PN 18 June 2016 18: 51
        +10
        And let's go along the borders of the nuclear burial grounds. Well they fear with fear, especially if you also let the rumor go that they are mined ...
        1. cniza
          cniza 18 June 2016 19: 07
          +19
          Quote: Denis Obukhov
          Four NATO battalions can only settle near the borders of the Baltic states, if suddenly Russia decides to attack the unnecessary Spratia.


          You underestimate ... four battalions are enough to prepare a bridgehead, quickly deploy a group and not at one point.
          1. Tatar 174
            Tatar 174 18 June 2016 19: 41
            +13
            They are gathering in packs again ... Napoleon, ... Adolf also started this way.
            1. rpek32
              rpek32 18 June 2016 20: 42
              +7
              Four NATO battalions near Russian borders should not be underestimated


              a question to the experts: in the Russian Federation there is a nuclear weapon that is not "the whole world in dust" but tactical that leaves neat environmentally friendly funnels?
              if the same nats climb it isn’t it easier to stop them when crossing the border?
              Thank you.
            2. 341712
              341712 18 June 2016 20: 58
              +7
              Quote: Tatar 174
              Tatar 174 (1) Today, 19: 41 ↑
              They are gathering in packs again ... Napoleon, ... Adolf also started this way.


              It’s actually annoying .... Either let’s already, or go home ...
              A friend of mine recently with goggled eyes told me that he had read from more than one "source" about the possible start of the DB in August. Comrade had to be soldered with beer, convinced that he was overworked and sent to sleep. And I myself feel uncomfortable somehow ... I just figured out how many such tense caches with canned food are ready to dig for today .. Already their eyes turned white with anger ... They can't think of anything else ... An employee's efficiency drops multiple times.
              1. alexmach
                alexmach 19 June 2016 01: 23
                +3
                Synchronized with canned goods, and not only by the way, is a good thing.
          2. Inok10
            Inok10 18 June 2016 19: 53
            +8
            Quote: cniza
            You underestimate ... four battalions are enough to prepare a bridgehead, quickly deploy a group and not at one point.

            ... depending on which section ... in this case ... this is the territory of Poland, Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia ... in numbers:
            Poland - 312 km²
            Lithuania - 65 km²
            Latvia - 64 km²
            Estonia - 45 km²
            TOTAL: 487 795 km²
            ... four battalions per half thousand square kilometers ... bully
            ... it makes no sense to count the armies of the Pribaldos, from a word ... the largest army in Poland is 100 hp, consisting of:
            Polish Ground Forces: 68 thousand
            Polish Air Force: 25 thousand
            Navy - 8 thousand people.
            ... in the Kaliningrad region, the command of the 11th army corps was formed in May of this year ... the figure 11 is not at all random ... the 11th Guards Red Banner Army ... it is the most ... hi
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 19 June 2016 01: 27
              +2
              Well, well, if you estimate that they will prepare a bridgehead for mating through the territory of the Baltic states, then the territory of Poland can be discarded. And when you consider that these are far from the only forces in Europe, and that they can quickly deploy them? How many are there from the Estonian border to Leningrad? And what percentage of the Russian military-industrial complex lives in this Leningrad?
          3. Maksus
            Maksus 18 June 2016 20: 24
            +18
            I looked in Password on a bunch of our tanks captured by the Finns and came to the conclusion that hatchery is our hereditary disease. That under the tsar, that under the CPSU, that under the current democracy - everything is the same. Guys, let's prepare at least once normally and meet the enemy fully armed. And it’s painful to look at our tanks with crosses on the armor.
          4. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 18 June 2016 22: 09
            +14
            Quote: cniza
            You underestimate ... four battalions are enough to prepare a bridgehead, quickly deploy a group and not at one point.

            Quote: cniza
            Underestimating the adversary leads to errors, reassessing the adversary leads to fear and self-destruction. Look at the enemy soberly and calmly.

            What kind of nonsense is incompetent. Yes, you at least take a little military interest.
            I’ll explain on the fingers. Let’s suppose that Russia will not resist at all. How much force does NATO need to simply control our territory with police methods? And how much equipment and fuel, food, ammunition?
            For example, a small territory of LDNR ... and how many people and equipment on both sides.
            Let's remember Adolf Aloizovich ... How many millions did he drive to our borders to attack?
            In our realities, the concentration of such a large number of people and technology in any case will entail a preemptive strike against the aggressor. And how to secretly concentrate such a group in our time of mobile phones and the Internet? I’m silent about intelligence.
            They are not yet ready to lay millions in the ground. Yes, and whether it will be ready is unknown.
            Well, after a global blow ... maybe, but also hard to believe.
            Most likely, only the massive use of chemical-biological weapons has chances. By simultaneously activating in many settlements ... But the answer will definitely work.
            So that I think the risks are calculated anyway.
            They had only one chance in the 90s ... to admit Russia to NATO and "disarm under NATO standards." They pissed away this chance. There is no more chance.
            1. aleks700
              aleks700 19 June 2016 06: 05
              0
              .
              How much force does NATO need to simply control our territory with police methods?
              NATO enough regional centers to control. Otherwise, the governors will also help them. High bureaucracy is the main headache. This is where the 5 column is, and not from the marsh during fools. They will go from the swamp to the palitsai, and the current officials will manage them. And of course, not all officials are corrupt, but ...
              1. Shpagolom
                Shpagolom 19 June 2016 08: 41
                0
                .... For some reason I’m sure that they won’t recruit palitsaev from our people ..... our people will shake and stole all their property, equipment ...
                .
            2. Foxmara
              Foxmara 19 June 2016 06: 19
              0
              Quote: Barkhan
              to just police control our territory?

              What for??
              NATO is now fighting differently. Destroy the infrastructure and the population itself begins to fight with each other for the remnants of resources. LDNR supports the Russian Federation, otherwise it would have been destroyed long ago.
              Quote: Barkhan
              Well, after a global blow ... maybe, but also hard to believe.

              No, if there is a collapse inside, then there are chances. color revolutions work. True, with us, I hope the number will not go through. But that doesn’t stop making plans, right?
              1. BARKHAN
                BARKHAN 19 June 2016 10: 09
                +3
                Quote: Foxmara
                NATO enough regional centers to control. Otherwise, the governors will also help them.

                Excuse me generously, but we are not a banana republic. And, as long as someone does not want to lower the potential of Russia, they will have to fight as an adult. Standing knee-deep in blood. And looking at the Immortal regiment, I’m sure that the West greatly underestimates the patriotism of Russians. It’s one thing to blame the authorities , other alien troops in your city.
                Quote: Foxmara
                NATO is now fighting differently. Destroy the infrastructure and the population itself begins to fight with each other for the remnants of resources.

                We still have to get to regional centers and infrastructure. And keep them. Are NATO special services capable of such operations? Well, if not in Hollywood films.
                Quote: Foxmara
                Otherwise, the governors will also help them. High bureaucracy is the main headache. This is where the 5th column, and not from the marsh at fools. They will go from the swamp to the palitsai, and the current officials will manage them. And of course, not all officials are corrupt, but ...

                Quote: Foxmara
                No, if there is a collapse inside, then there are chances. color revolutions work.

                We have 5 million registered owners of firearms in our country. And five more times more illegal trunks. Well, somehow we look after the 5th column and sympathizers ... Yes, and the military top will clear all the scum right away, they have been dreaming about this for a long time.
                Quote: Foxmara
                But that doesn’t stop making plans, right?

                Unrealizable plans are no different from fiction.
            3. gavrosh.ru
              gavrosh.ru 20 June 2016 19: 36
              0
              partisan detachment (with a traitor, without the right traitor in any way) on our open spaces is the best operational unit
          5. avg
            avg 18 June 2016 22: 19
            +4
            Quote: cniza
            You underestimate ... four battalions are enough to prepare a bridgehead, quickly deploy a group and not at one point.

            Do not underestimate this political step. We are given to understand that in the event of a conflict, we may immediately encounter the strongest NATO countries. And we will have to give an adequate political response.
            But in military terms, these "suicide bombers" should not be overestimated.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 18 June 2016 22: 39
              +2
              Quote: avg
              Do not underestimate this political step.

              ... these are bayonets to support the "occupation administration", no more ... The Baltic states are an English project of the early 20th century ... the essence is the same and the fate will be the same ... hi
              Quote: avg
              We are given to understand that in the event of a conflict, we may immediately encounter the strongest NATO countries.

              ... categorically ... no ... with suicide bombers from those newly converted to the "European integration" faith, that is, Turkey, Georgia, Azerbaijan, Poland, Slovakia, Czech Republic, Hungary, Bulgaria, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia and fresh ones, if they are not "distant" by Sweden and Finland and Ruin ... the rest of Old Europe, will support them diplomatically and morally ... but not by participation in hostilities, they are not suicides ... to fight ?! ... Germany, Belgium, France, Holland, Italy, Spain, Portugal, Austria, England, Greece ... they understand very well how it will end ... the mattress covers will also buzz from behind a puddle about the "Russian occupation" and it will happen ... we will return everything that we lost in 1991 ... hi
            2. berezin1987
              berezin1987 18 June 2016 22: 39
              0
              And they will face the Russian Strategic Rocket Forces. What do you think, how many people will fall into the geyrop when using it say 20 missiles R-36m2? And do not forget about our stocks of chemical weapons, and this is about 8 thousand tons (Vi X, Sarin, Soman)
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        3. Gurinov Nikolay
          Gurinov Nikolay 18 June 2016 21: 42
          -2
          As an option, it’s necessary to resettle the entire population. To the Far East.
        4. prosto_rgb
          prosto_rgb 19 June 2016 02: 29
          +2
          Quote: PN
          And let's go along the borders of the nuclear burial grounds. Well they fear with fear, especially if you also let the rumor go that they are mined ...

          frankly crazy idea
          Why spoil the ecology of your country?
          it is better to open "Pelmennye" + Russian vodka at border crossings + further a list of typical stereotypes
          first, let them come on excursions and get lost for a couple of weeks at the bar drinks
          and there you look and ask for Russian citizenship
          no more desire to send brigades laughing
      2. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 18 June 2016 19: 37
        +19
        Quote: ShadowCat
        You don’t need to be afraid, but you shouldn’t throw your hats either - just a sober and calm calculation.
        First of all, one must be afraid of betrayal of the UPR of Russia. None of our calculations and composure will help if the top leadership surrenders the interests of the state or simply gives slack in this matter.
        Honestly, comrades, I have, lately, some bad feeling about the immediate future of our country. I really hope I'm wrong. Let it turn out to be my personal paranoia, if only not for the drain of the country and people ..
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 18 June 2016 19: 59
          +21
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          comrades, I have, lately, some bad feeling about the near future of our Motherland
          the same garbage ... (((I am not a "vsepalschik", but there is little optimism, as I look at the "leadership", it becomes uncomfortable: the Ulyukaevs, dvorkovichi .. a bad dream.
          1. gorefest7777
            gorefest7777 18 June 2016 22: 27
            +5
            The same rubbish comes to my head, .... went to small arms courses ... indeed, people cannot be reassured when they see everything and understand everything, this is already at the level of genetic memory, many feel it, and as they say God hopes, and don’t be bad. Everyone needs to be prepared, only then we will not oversleep, we will not scam the Motherland.
        2. weksha50
          weksha50 18 June 2016 19: 59
          +7
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Let it turn out to be my personal paranoia, if only not for the drain of the country and people ..


          It’s bad that this "paranoia" is not only your personal ... I also have different quirks in my head when I look at what officials in power are doing with the country ...

          It seems that among them there is not a single Russian-Russian, all of them are aliens from the Death Star ...
        3. Naum
          Naum 18 June 2016 20: 31
          -4
          Again "everything is gone"? No shit! Forgot PUTIN'S GREAT SILENCE? The enemy's reaction to what he is doing is important. If it is not there, then it is terrifying. The unknown is always frightening. As well as a real demonstration of the capabilities of the RA, VKS and the Navy. Here they shot "Cornets" from small ships for 2 thousand miles on militants and this impressed many. "Hotheads" were a little chilled.
          1. Gurinov Nikolay
            Gurinov Nikolay 18 June 2016 21: 51
            0
            When they bind, there will be no one to give orders!
        4. Monos
          Monos 18 June 2016 20: 58
          +17
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Honestly, comrades, I have, lately, some bad feeling about the immediate future of our country. I really hope I'm wrong. Let it turn out to be my personal paranoia, if only not for the drain of the country and people ..


          If there was a drain, NATO would not bother with the deployment of structures. So there will be a fight. And this is not a premonition but the logic of life. The "consumption" economy depletes resources; demographic pressure on the ecosystem worsens the quality of life; social dead ends recruit aggressive and poorly educated "meat" into gangster terrorist movements and sects; the shelf life of the arsenals accumulated during the Cold War is coming to an end, and so on. And I have not yet said this about existential reasons.

          Do you still have doubts? Throw them away and get ready for the test. The war will be! And we must be ready for this!

          This is not alarmism. This is a call to mobilize the Spirit.

          1. family tree
            family tree 18 June 2016 21: 11
            +5
            Quote: Monos
            The war will be!

            Will not be. Well, four brigades will be deployed, and they will be given a suction to the Balts, which they wanted, they’ll be sick, or they’ll get sprats across their throats, and they’ll print it in dollars, they can do it, but they cann’t plutonium weapons, they can do fuel, but eat wrappers, at least eat some booty
          2. sub307
            sub307 18 June 2016 21: 48
            +14
            "There will be war! And we must be ready for this!"
            "Remember the War!" - Admiral Makarov. There will be a war ..., there will not be ... - you must always be ready. As the saying goes: "hope for the best, prepare for the worst ..."
            1. Ragoz
              Ragoz 18 June 2016 22: 30
              +1
              sub307
              In addition to your "If there are wars tomorrow, if tomorrow a campaign, be ready for a campaign today" From the song of Soviet times am
            2. Platonich
              Platonich 19 June 2016 05: 43
              0
              If you want peace, get ready for war!
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          4. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 18 June 2016 23: 02
            -2
            Quote: Monos
            The war will be! And we must be ready for this!

            Who is the war with? With a single superpower? So the Supreme Commander-in-Chief claims that we need America. And certainly he knows better. Or will you argue that Vladimir Vladimirovich had in mind something else? (cry)
            1. Monos
              Monos 18 June 2016 23: 16
              +4
              Quote: Ami du peuple
              Who is the war with? With a single superpower? So the Supreme Commander-in-Chief claims that we need America. And certainly he knows better. Or will you argue that Vladimir Vladimirovich had in mind something else?


              And who said that we will start the war? We will finish it, as usual.
              1. Ami du peuple
                Ami du peuple 18 June 2016 23: 34
                +2
                Quote: Monos
                We will finish it, as usual
                Listen to how much these hyper-patriotic and capricious sentiments have wearily tired. Understand, finally, that in a conventional conflict, using conventional weapons, Russia has no chance against a united West. Remember the 41st year, or something. And to what extent had to retreat. Only our country and our army were much larger then, the economy was more balanced and more powerful, mobil resources more serious. Plus, the country's leadership and its people were united. And then not the whole Western world, led by the United States, opposed us.
                So the only factor now holding back our sworn friends is Russia's strategic nuclear forces. When our probable adversary is sure that WMD, as a response against his aggression will not be used, then, of course, will begin the invasion. And such confidence can be given to him by the indecision of our top leadership on the issue of the preventive use of nuclear weapons.
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 19 June 2016 00: 10
                  +4
                  Quote: Ami du peuple
                  Listen to how much these hyper-patriotic and capricious sentiments have wearily tired. Understand, finally, that in a conventional conflict, using conventional weapons, Russia has no chance against a united West.

                  ... and from what formula ... was this Immortality formed? ... maybe the United West possesses an OTRK or RZSO analogous to our Tochka-U, Iskander-M, Smerch, Tornado, Grad? ... alas and ah ... no, it does not have ... cluster warheads for all of the above weapons systems are available ... in different modifications ... they are not prohibited against the army, only their use is not permissible in densely populated areas of a peaceful population ... then the "United West" has only one way ... to shower us with corpses, but here the question is ... is it enough? ... the answer is ... NO! ... that's the whole Tale ... hi
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian 19 June 2016 00: 20
                    +1
                    maybe "United West" has OTRK or RZSO
                    Possesses. Even Brazil is building similar systems. And even the West is guaranteed to achieve dominance in the air.
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 19 June 2016 00: 23
                      +2
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      Possesses. Even Brazil is building similar systems. And even the West is guaranteed to achieve dominance in the air.

                      ... in the same way as in the photo attached ... laughing ...
                      1. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 19 June 2016 00: 29
                        0
                        like this, as in the photo attached
                        And you have a good command of the hat-thrower. Commendable.
                      2. Inok10
                        Inok10 19 June 2016 00: 31
                        +2
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        And you have a good command of the hat-thrower. Commendable.

                        ... why ... I have a father of air defense of the Ground Forces ... from this KBU from SURN I have been distinguishing since childhood ... and I have excellent command of the technical and technical defense of air defense ... laughing
                      3. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 19 June 2016 00: 34
                        -4
                        I distinguish KBU from SURN since childhood
                        I regret that you are clearly not enough for more.
                      4. Inok10
                        Inok10 19 June 2016 00: 44
                        +3
                        Quote: Inok10
                        and am fluent in TTX air defense SV ...

                        ... for example ... An old woman, the Great Worker P-18, born in 1975, an AP at a mast height of 10,35 ... look ... with an EPR of 0,3 m2, she sees an adz (aero-dynamic target) for 150 km. at a height of less than 500 m. ... laughing ...
                2. Multicast
                  Multicast 19 June 2016 00: 37
                  0
                  The West is guaranteed to receive a pendell from the Russian poplar, and in the future from the Sarmatian!
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian 19 June 2016 00: 42
                    0
                    The West is guaranteed to receive a pendel from Russian poplar
                    And then there will be a nuclear winter. And everyone will die ... There will be no winners.
                  2. 33 Watcher
                    33 Watcher 19 June 2016 04: 44
                    +3
                    Quote: Anglorussian
                    The West is guaranteed to receive a pendel from Russian poplar
                    And then there will be a nuclear winter. And everyone will die ... There will be no winners.

                    We all will die laughing
                  3. def89
                    def89 19 June 2016 08: 15
                    +1
                    drinks Sounds like a toast)
                3. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 19 June 2016 06: 20
                  +2
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  And then there will be a nuclear winter. And everyone will die ...

                  So explain it to the prince, who starred for fagots in the magazine.
                4. Anglorussian
                  Anglorussian 19 June 2016 11: 11
                  0
                  So explain it to the prince, who starred for fagots in the magazine
                  But I do not read such magazines.
              2. Vadim237
                Vadim237 19 June 2016 09: 13
                0
                They will die from the effects of explosions and radiation - and they will survive all possible winters. Stock up your felt boots.
          5. Foxmara
            Foxmara 19 June 2016 06: 31
            0
            Quote: Anglorussian
            And even the West is guaranteed to achieve dominance in the air.

            What, excuse me? Invisible aircraft that our air defense sees? We have the best air defense in the world, even taking into account the dark years. The loss of aircraft will be monstrous. Despite the fact that our air defense was sharpened even under cruise missiles. And yours is not. Therefore, the West will have nothing to bring down the clubs. He does not know how to fight the west with a strong enemy. And excessive tolerance also left a residue. Only in the variant of internal betrayal does NATO have a chance. Like in Iraq.
        5. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 19 June 2016 01: 25
          +1
          Quote: Inok10
          maybe "United West" possesses an OTRK or RZSO similar to our "Tochka-U", "Iskander-M", Smerch, Tornado, Grad? ... alas and ah ... no, it does not
          Well yes, they rely only on catapults and crossbows. smile Although on the issue of the absolute advantage of our MLRS and OTRK over Western counterparts, I absolutely agree with you. Only the American HIMARS can make a semblance of competition.
          However, US and NATO tactics are based on the massive use of aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic. Will our airborne forces and air defense not allow adversaries to gain air supremacy? Or put the question on a different plane - how much is the enemy ready for massive losses and what damage will he consider unacceptable to his Air Force? If they take us seriously, then, I think, they will stubbornly hammer from the air, ignoring the losses ... Although, who knows? But I really do not want life itself to check such forecasts.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 19 June 2016 03: 04
            +6
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            However, US and NATO tactics are based on the massive use of aviation and the Kyrgyz Republic.

            ... removed the minus, since the question really requires analysis with a cold head ... and we went along the lock:
            ... what massive use of aviation can be against Russia ?! ... firstly, it will be necessary to concentrate the aviation group on the airfields, provide ASP (aviation weapons) and fuel ... discard the aircraft carriers immediately, there are no options, the combat radius is negligible (800 km.), as well as the ability to raise more than 20 aircraft, and then with an hour's interval, otherwise there will be nowhere to land ... that is, NATO must secretly transfer more than 1500 aircraft to stationary airfields in the eastern regions of Germany and Poland, provide ammunition and fuel ... well, we will sit and nibble seeds looking at everything is it through the same ZGRLS "Container" and spit at the ceiling? ... oh, and even for a moment we built all those suitable airfields in East Germany and Poland during the Soviet era and they were filmed with a geodetic accuracy of 1m ... that is, a target with previously known coordinates ... hi
            ... further about the KR ... that is, about how 100500 tomahawks threw us ... first of all, they need to be delivered to the launch point ... there are no ground launchers, only sea launchers ... again the same task is to concentrate in in certain areas of the North, Norwegian and Mediterranean Seas, three groups of URO ships ... well, about 25 units in each ... and do not forget that the insidious Russians see this all from space and ZGRLS too ... means loading with barrels tomahawks fail, maximum 20 pcs. the rest is air defense and missile defense ... and another funny moment the range of the tomahawk does not exceed 1600 km in the conventional version. ... 2300 with the Special BCH ... then we need to explain that no one will wait when the tomahawk overcomes the distance of 3 km in 1600 hours, to understand what kind of warhead it is with ... probably everything is clear ... After spilling it. JV Stalin and free Wales, Scotland and Ireland ... hi
          2. Foxmara
            Foxmara 19 June 2016 06: 34
            0
            Even a relatively small Yugoslavia in the center! Europe hollowed for a long time. Well, what resources do you need to refuel thousands of aircraft, and even report on personnel losses? Yes, in the face of the inevitable answer.
  2. Foxmara
    Foxmara 19 June 2016 06: 25
    0
    This is all a statement of fact. Yes, the only one. Yes, I need it. They crashed it and the crisis will be such that it doesn’t seem enough, that’s why everyone suffers it. But here everyone reads what he wants to see. And emphasizes what is interesting. And you need to read completely. hi
  • Gurinov Nikolay
    Gurinov Nikolay 18 June 2016 21: 48
    0
    I also think that they will surrender. Uncle Shoigu can’t cope with everything. They’ll just connect.
  • Gurinov Nikolay
    Gurinov Nikolay 18 June 2016 21: 40
    0
    I agree. That they can throw us hats. Apparently they’re tired of living. They want wars. So no one will survive. And the bunkers are not for long.
  • sir_obs
    sir_obs 18 June 2016 23: 42
    +4
    Four battalions on the defensive, perhaps, represent some kind of obstacle for us to the fallen tank army, for example. That is, if they are already in positions and ready for battle, they have a proven opponent in the quantity and quality of the advancing enemy.
    But they will not sit in trenches all the time and hold weapons in their hands. The equipment is also not fully prepared. In a sudden attack with them it will be the same as we had in 41. Well, before you go on the attack, it is customary to first shoot a little at the enemy’s positions.
    Nobody is going to ignore such a fact, as well as throwing hats.
    I never fought on land, except for a little practice in the Marine Corps, in the cadet period, but I think that there is something to answer.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 19 June 2016 00: 14
      +1
      Quote: sir_obs
      Four battalions on the defensive, perhaps, represent some kind of obstacle for us to the fallen tank army, for example

      Nah ... I saw the regiment on the offensive .. that was the exercise, yeah .. Gorokhovets, if it wasn’t enough.

      What is not even an army, but a division - I’m just afraid to imagine ..

      Somehow request
  • The stranger
    The stranger 19 June 2016 02: 13
    +1
    This, and you can ask somehow bashfully ...
    And what about the personnel there, battalions?
    No, I’m not that they are cowardly, maybe they are as brave as English fans in France. But maybe they don’t exist at all, because I haven’t heard of the formation yet ... Although he himself is a NATO soldier :))
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 19 June 2016 06: 59
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat
    but do not throw caps with


    Well, in addition to hats, we still have something that you really are. And any of these battalions will last no more than 15 minutes. We will not wait for their deployment in the event of a mess. hi request
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 18 June 2016 18: 54
    +8
    7000 thousand nuclear warheads we have, if we want, they won’t be able to hold us back :)) but the thing is different the whole thing in Ukraine is not in the Baltic states or in Poland quick reaction troops are not deployed to deter Russia but that they would be faster at launch we ran to Kiev .. as Russia enters a meter into Ukraine .. NATO forces will already be in Kiev ... and then there will be a new iron curtain between east and west .. but not in Germany but in Ukraine ..... and if Russia will not enter first, sooner or later it will have to fight with Ukraine ... so we have 2 options to look and check the strength of NATO and be aggressors ... or wait for NATO to pump Ukraine as it did with Georgia ... but even with Ukraine’s attack on Donetsk it will not look like an aggressor in the eyes of world society .... so forgiving everything us
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 18 June 2016 22: 46
      -2
      I am a supporter of attacks on NATO troops when they enter the territory of Ukraine. A couple of dozen tactical nuclear bombs and no European military contingent. Europeans have a total of about 500 warheads (tactical and strategic together), and Russia has more than 7000 (of which 1752 are strategic charges). So it's them in the ass. They got angry - they got a couple of hundreds of thousands of burnt bearers of democracy, did not stop on time - they got tens of millions of fried zheks, burghers, and paddles.
  • Finches
    Finches 18 June 2016 19: 03
    +18
    We have already discussed this topic many times here - the point is not in 4 battalions, but in the fact of the constant presence and creation of a base: infrastructure, roads, communication networks, all logistics ..., that is, the creation of a bridgehead for what would then 4 battalions within a week to make 40 brigades! This is undercover work - remember the operation "Anadyr" - 50 years ago (!) Our army, in harsh conditions of secrecy, across the ocean (!), Within tight deadlines immediately transferred a missile regiment to Cuba , and then consistently increased the grouping in the tropics, on an island where there was nothing but the jungle! And now imagine how quickly, in the comfortable conditions of modern continental Europe, you can increase the contingent of 4 battalions to strike divisions !? You will only seriously start reacting to the agenda from the military registration and enlistment office for mobilization ...
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 18 June 2016 20: 00
      +10
      Quote: Finches
      Now imagine how quickly in the comfortable conditions of modern continental Europe you can increase the contingent of 4 battalions to shock divisions !?

      ... the answer ... neither as ... such traffic will be immediately visible without an armed eye ... 4 divisions is approximately, even if 12 thousand people. x 4 = 48 thousand snout hp, not counting equipment, including heavy and ammunition, as well as auxiliary bunkers ... a map to help ... only through the Danish Straits, the Kiel Canal and through the Suvalka Corridor 80 km wide. ... You want to say we will sit and watch this Brownian motion ?! ... hi
      1. gispanec
        gispanec 18 June 2016 20: 27
        +2
        Quote: Inok10
        You want to say we will sit and look at this Brownian motion ?! ..

        and you want to say that you get up tomorrow and go sign up for partisans on the western border?
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 18 June 2016 20: 44
          +18
          Quote: gispanec
          and you want to say that you get up tomorrow and go sign up for partisans on the western border?

          ... well ... well made? ... I live in the Kaliningrad region, my family and mother have nowhere to evacuate, as they are surrounded ... continue to continue? ... like me, under arms I will get 150 thousand at least before the summons, only by rumor ... the total population is about 900 thousand ... 11th army corps and DCBF plus ...
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 18 June 2016 21: 14
            .
            such as I’ll get under arms 150 thousand at least before the summons, only by hearing
            Most will line up for European passports.
            1. Inok10
              Inok10 18 June 2016 21: 28
              +2
              Quote: Anglorussian
              Most will line up for European passports.

              ... in the former Great Britain ... a fact ... since there is nothing left of it, not the Arabs are Muslim, so the Scots and the Irish will send on a long walking trip, and the Anglitzian cow will only remain a mash of sorrow, wiskarik then , also Scottish and Irish ... laughing
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 18 June 2016 21: 34
                0
                fact ... since there’s nothing left of her,
                I talked with Kaliningraders here in London and I am sure that I am right. Scots and North Irish-subsidized regions and their feeder will not be sent. In addition, most of them are loyal to the Crown. And the queen of gin and tonic can drink-only in London about 10 productions of such ...
                1. Inok10
                  Inok10 18 June 2016 21: 40
                  +7
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  I talked with Kaliningraders here in London and I am sure that I am right.

                  ... laughing ... is it London-Kaliningraders ?! from the Khodorkovsky team, whose Russians met in Vilnius and decided how to save Russia ?! ... don’t tell my slippers ... if this scheme didn’t work in the 90s ... well, now all the more so ... ask for a training manual to be updated ... laughing
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  Scots and North Irish-subsidized regions and their feeder will not be sent.

                  ... laughing ... such as Donbass and Crimea were in Ruin, Saturday was a success ... laughing
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  And the queen of gin and tonic can drink-only in London about 10 productions of such ...

                  ... let him already begin ... laughing
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian 18 June 2016 21: 47
                    -3
                    ... the same as Donbass and Crimea were in Ruin, Saturday was a success
                    If only something would be read on the topic. Or go for a couple of weeks.
                    don't tell me my slippers
                    My grandfather once told me that decent people, at first glance, were walking in a crowd (!) Of hires to the occupation bodies in order to survive this all. And he told me, I don’t blame them — the chicken also wants to live. And this is the 41st. And now, when everyone has been abroad many times and knows how there will not be such?
                    1. Inok10
                      Inok10 18 June 2016 22: 02
                      +6
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      If only something would be read on the topic. Or go for a couple of weeks.

                      ... I see no reason ... there are enough Kaliningrad rains and fogs for me, as well as changeable weather for 15 minutes ... hi
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      My grandfather once told me that decent people at first glance walked in a crowd (!) Of hires to the occupation bodies in order to survive this all. And he told me, I don’t blame them — the chicken also wants to live. And this is the 41st.

                      ... especially in the Brest Fortress and Stalingrad ... tighten up your Russian or not so in a hurry to answer, your mistakes make you smile ... live ... a typo is not possible, the letters "b" and "y" are located at different ends of the keyboard ... they will type in Mi-5 according to the announcement of native speakers, but we are tormented by their writing ... laughing
                    2. Anglorussian
                      Anglorussian 18 June 2016 22: 09
                      -1
                      bloopers make you smile ... live ... a typo is not possible, the letters "b" and "y" are located at different ends
                      The transliteration program was apparently written in Skolkovo (it does not work as it should), but these letters are not on the English keyboard. An interesting fact, however, is that, apart from the hat-makers, nobody cares.
                      especially in the Brest Fortress and Stalingrad
                      Did collaboration exist as a phenomenon? You are still an idealist ...
                    3. Inok10
                      Inok10 18 June 2016 22: 17
                      +5
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      You are still an idealist ...

                      ... thanks introduced myself ... though, through a turn of speech, now still we know who we are dealing with ... laughing
                    4. Anglorussian
                      Anglorussian 18 June 2016 22: 37
                      -2
                      now we know who we are dealing with
                      And you do not have water in the tap?
                    5. Inok10
                      Inok10 18 June 2016 22: 48
                      +2
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      And you do not have water in the tap?

                      ... yes, well ... did you come up with ... it's from a completely different repertoire ... although the idea is interesting ... they just burst until they try to privatize it into themselves ... but as the world becomes cleaner immediately and breathe easier ... laughing
                    6. Anglorussian
                      Anglorussian 18 June 2016 22: 52
                      -2
                      they’ll just burst while they try to privatize it into themselves ... but how it will become cleaner immediately in the world
                      Have you been a corporal of the Wehrmacht in a past life?
                    7. Inok10
                      Inok10 18 June 2016 23: 48
                      +6
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      Have you been a corporal of the Wehrmacht in a past life?

                      ... do not comb my nerves, I am from the USSR and Odessa is my part ... do not confuse "trouble" and "tragedy" ... ask any decent Jew who has a darkon ... what is trouble and tragedy. .. so anyone will tell you that at Privoz, they simply say: ... if Aunt Sarah is sick, then this is a PROBLEM! ... and, for the fact that Kolomoisky crashed on his plane, one can only say TRAGEDY ... laughing
                    8. Anglorussian
                      Anglorussian 19 June 2016 00: 00
                      -1
                      ask any decent jew
                      First of all, tell the Odessa Jew that first, without him, the world will become cleaner and breathe easier .. He will appreciate ..
                    9. Inok10
                      Inok10 19 June 2016 00: 17
                      +2
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      First of all, tell the Odessa Jew that first, without him, the world will become cleaner and breathe easier .. He will appreciate ..

                      ... no one loves the Greedy ... especially Odessa Jews ... sorry we never managed to fight in an intellectual duel, since you are unarmed ... laughing
                    10. Anglorussian
                      Anglorussian 19 June 2016 00: 30
                      -2
                      intellectual duel
                      And you have an extremely high opinion of yourself ..
  • Anglorussian
    Anglorussian 18 June 2016 21: 57
    +1
    it's London-Kaliningraders
    These are Kaliningrad Kaliningraders. Simple working men.
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 18 June 2016 22: 08
      +5
      Quote: Anglorussian
      These are Kaliningrad Kaliningraders. Simple working men.

      ... to an ordinary working Kaliningrad peasant, there is London before the lantern or it is no longer there ... but the French do not care, otherwise the poor fellows from the neighborhood with their "beloved" England, for 300 years have 4 republics and two monarchies, and the English Channel will be 100 km wider. .. and Birmingham will become a port city ... laughing
    2. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 18 June 2016 22: 26
      -2
      to an ordinary worker of the Kaliningrad peasant, before the lantern there is London or it is already gone
      And if he came roof-top to earn a living at home? Like two of my friends did? And how many of these people go abroad for a car (not an eggplant sedan but a solid foreign car).
    3. Inok10
      Inok10 18 June 2016 22: 59
      +3
      Quote: Anglorussian
      And if he came roof-top to earn a living at home? Like two of my friends did? And how many of these people go abroad for a car (not an eggplant sedan but a solid foreign car).

      ... you know ... ah, thank you all the same ... you so sincerely smiled at everyone ... ah, now tell the whole honest community IN how much it costs and how to get a work visa to the UK ... laughing
      ... from Kaliningrad for a foreign car ?! ... you are 20 years behind ... laughing ...
    4. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 18 June 2016 23: 06
      -3
      how much and how to get a work visa to the UK
      I don’t know, I didn’t get it myself. And many do not bother with a work visa - at their own risk they work for black cash. There are people who have Polish or Lithuanian documents.
      .. from Kaliningrad for a foreign car ?! ... you are 20 years behind
      Drive them across borders, albeit less. In terms of price / quality, a used European car will leave Ketai and AvtoVAZ behind.
    5. Inok10
      Inok10 18 June 2016 23: 28
      +2
      Quote: Anglorussian
      There are people who have Polish or Lithuanian documents.

      ... so these are Poles and Lithuanians ... laughing
      Quote: Anglorussian
      Drive them across borders, albeit less. In terms of price / quality, a used European car will leave Ketai and AvtoVAZ behind.

      ... Kaliningrad has been driving foreign cars for 20 years! ... since the time of the SEZ "Yantar" and the presence of the Regional Customs, when there was no need to pay the duty ... now it doesn't matter, the Kaliningrad BMW is better in build quality than the one assembled in Germany by the Turks and Arabs ... the backward interlocutor was caught, and it's a pity ... I can't believe it, isn't it already in MI5 that the Manual has not been updated for more than 20 years? ... and they keep all that bullshit? ... although I think the Guys are for our happiness, they did not underestimate US ... laughing
    6. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 18 June 2016 23: 42
      -3
      retarded interlocutor caught, but sorry
      I'm lucky for those. Where do foreign cars come from in Kaliningrad? Or do they buy everything new from the factory? (Even the Germans do not have enough money for this for everyone)
      haven't the manuals been updated in MI-5
      Are Jewish spies hiding under your sofa and stealing beer from the fridge?
    7. Inok10
      Inok10 19 June 2016 01: 09
      +3
      Quote: Anglorussian
      Where do foreign cars come from in Kaliningrad? Or do they buy everything new from the factory? (Even the Germans do not have enough money for this for everyone)

      ... the problems of the Germans, the Russians do not care ... laughing
      Quote: Anglorussian
      Are Jewish spies hiding under your sofa and stealing beer from the fridge?

      ... a compliment about the English spy was given in advance, recalculation was made, deducted ... the maximum Zapadensky Jew entrenched in the city of London, and even illegal ... do you think they will give documents for faithful service? ... naive ... laughing
    8. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 19 June 2016 11: 15
      -1
      . do you think they will give documents for faithful service? ... naive
      It has long been given, and I didn’t need them; there were more than enough of them in Latvia.
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 19 June 2016 05: 12
    +2
    Quote: Anglorussian
    Drive them across borders, albeit less. In terms of price / quality, a used European car will leave Ketai and AvtoVAZ behind.

    Wonderful are thy deeds! My solid foreign car is assembled just in Kaliningrad. I didn’t go anywhere for her.
    Quote: Anglorussian
    Did collaboration exist as a phenomenon? You are still an idealist ...

    That's what kind of plug it turns out ... How will you make a collaborator from me? I don’t cover the roofs either.
    I can cover the mat laughing
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 19 June 2016 04: 56
    +1
    Quote: Anglorussian
    such as I’ll get under arms 150 thousand at least before the summons, only by hearing
    Most will line up for European passports.

    I was offered Finnish 12 years ago, so I sent in Russian laughing
    Quote: Anglorussian
    I talked with Kaliningraders here in London and I am sure that I am right.

    So you and here are a bunch of emigrants who always agree with each other. And as for me, and the right to vote, which does not have, if we are talking about Russia. You refused Russia for euros and sold the shekels. So why squeal now? When you were sold the fate of Russia, I didn't care. Why are we making noise now? The fee has been received, the choice has been made, sit straight, wait for your studies, "free citizens of the great economic powers."
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 19 June 2016 11: 17
      -1
      You refused Russia for the euro and sold the shekels.
      And the pounds? If it’s serious, the level of ur-patriotism here is just going through the roof. And give everyone a nuclear war.
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 19 June 2016 17: 16
        0
        Quote: Anglorussian
        And the pounds?

        Yes, even if you do not convert Australian dollars, you get 30 silver coins anyway.
        Quote: Anglorussian
        Here, the level of Uri-patriotism is just going through the roof.

        That's nothing, I can not help myself, I love my countries and that's it.
        Quote: Anglorussian
        normal communication and exchange of views with the local public is not possible

        You didn’t start right. There is no war yet, but you already think of appendages ... With face-to-face communication, you can also get a fellowship for such things. What did you expect?
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 19 June 2016 17: 16
        0
        Quote: Anglorussian
        And the pounds?

        Yes, even if you do not convert Australian dollars, you get 30 silver coins anyway.
        Quote: Anglorussian
        Here, the level of Uri-patriotism is just going through the roof.

        That's nothing, I can not help myself, I love my country and that’s it.
        Quote: Anglorussian
        normal communication and exchange of views with the local public is not possible

        You didn’t start right. There is no war yet, but you already consider traitors ... With face-to-face communication, you can also get a fellowship for such things. What did you expect?
        1. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 19 June 2016 18: 54
          0
          I love my country and that’s it.
          More precisely, hate everyone else.
          With face-to-face communication, you can also use the slope
          Another one pen punch boxer!
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 19 June 2016 06: 22
    0
    Quote: Anglorussian
    Most will line up for European passports.

    You don’t measure us on your own. I dumped you in England, so enjoy yourself. But I’m only afraid that if the mess really starts, fear will go all the way to its asses.
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 19 June 2016 11: 23
      0
      Dumped to England, so enjoy
      Enjoy. Sanya, delete my account, normal communication and exchange of views with the local public does not work, and without this there is nothing to do. Only waste time.
      if a real mess starts, fear will go all the way to its asses.
      without exception, fear will strike through when large mushrooms grow far away and the Internet disappears.
  • gispanec
    gispanec 18 June 2016 21: 46
    -3
    Quote: Inok10
    well ... well cut? ... I live in the Kaliningrad region, my family and mother have nowhere to evacuate, as they are surrounded ... continue to continue?

    go on .... you’re like in a talk show ... switched to personalities, but you didn’t answer about your Monday mobilization .... about people like you I see and hear here in VO ... hurray, we will tear everyone ... Americans crap ... diapers change ... let them tremble ... so again about the rams ... you will go to the military commissariat tomorrow to become a partisan and improve your military skills ... yes or no !! ?? to write with beer on the couch it can be a schoolboy .. but throwing calls and requests must be confirmed by personal example ... waiting for an answer .. yes or no !!
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 18 June 2016 21: 54
      +4
      Quote: gispanec
      waiting for an answer .. yes or no !!

      ... for the gifted ... I have been in the army since birth! 1981 on a photo ... laughing
      Quote: gispanec
      You’ll go to the draft board tomorrow to become a partisan and improve your military skills.

      ... I’m more often at the military registration and enlistment office than you at the bakery ... I haven’t lost them and support them regularly, like my physical form ... hi
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 18 June 2016 21: 59
        -4
        for the gifted ... I have been in the army since birth! 1981 on a photo
        Separate brigade of battle trolls?
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 18 June 2016 22: 06
          +4
          Quote: Anglorussian
          Separate brigade of battle trolls?

          ... your unit ?! ... thank you now we know who we are talking with, call your position again ... and be careful in spelling again ... you fall out of the blue, great English spy ... laughing
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 18 June 2016 22: 13
            -3
            your unit ?! ... thank you now we know who we are talking to, the position is still your name
            Fools in Russia for a hundred years in stock ... Strategic reserve.
            1. family tree
              family tree 18 June 2016 22: 59
              +2
              Quote: Anglorussian
              Fools in Russia for a hundred years in stock ... Strategic reserve.

              Aha wassat Stored, along with tanks, Kalash and vigorous loaves, cho what
            2. Inok10
              Inok10 18 June 2016 23: 01
              +3
              Quote: perepilka
              Aha stockpiled, along with tanks and Kalash, and vigorous loaves, cho

              good
          2. Maksus
            Maksus 18 June 2016 23: 00
            +1
            Quote: Anglorussian
            your unit ?! ... thank you now we know who we are talking to, the position is still your name
            Fools in Russia for a hundred years in stock ... Strategic reserve.

            Not that word, but VO also delivers new ones regularly, fools modified patriotic-anti-Semitic)))
          3. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 18 June 2016 23: 14
            +1
            fools modified patriotic anti-Semitic
            This is the most common modification ...
  • gispanec
    gispanec 19 June 2016 10: 20
    0
    Quote: Inok10
    for the gifted ... I have been in the army since birth!

    I didn’t hear the answer yes or no ... but I’m not surprised .. you’re our defender ... you erased your fingers to the second phalanx .... the question is closed off!
    1. Inok10
      Inok10 19 June 2016 16: 43
      +2
      Quote: gispanec
      I didn’t hear the answer yes or no ...

      ... naive "Euro-drive" ... laughing ... but what was supposed to be? ... First name, last name, military institution, military registration number, location, rank, position, division number and tasks performed? ... laughing ... Zadornov and Lavrov are absolutely right, I will not quote, and so everyone knows ... laughing
  • Naum
    Naum 18 June 2016 22: 33
    +1
    Where is this "gun"? Armament depots (small arms) should now be in each district (at the ROVD and military enlistment offices) according to the number of persons liable for military service. Otherwise, the unarmed mobilized run the risk of not waiting for the release of weapons and uselessly perish ...
  • 341712
    341712 18 June 2016 21: 18
    +7
    А
    Quote: Alekseev
    Geyropa does not want and will not fight with the threat to his own good life.


    On the day when the Turks shot down Sushka, it happened that I found out about this, do not believe it .... from the British (I have a companion in Albion, Russian by nationality).
    The conversation is almost verbatim:
    He told me:
    - Kolyan, hello! How is your environment?
    - Tense ... - I say,
    He told me:
    - You - he says - have no idea what is happening here ... Nobody wants to fight the Russians here !!! Scared to usr @ chki !!! What, n @ hell, NATA ... Conversations in the office only on the topic "WHERE TO RUN? !!" if anything!!!

    But we understand that the task is to set fire ... And after that, in fact, it will not matter who started the mess ... The plan is in work, in the process of implementation ... We are waiting, sir ...
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    2. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 18 June 2016 21: 37
      -3
      Conversations in the office only on the topic "WHERE TO RUN? !!" if anything!!!
      And in my office nobody said anything like that for some reason.
      1. 341712
        341712 18 June 2016 21: 56
        +1
        Quote: Anglorussian
        Anglorussian (3) Today, 21: 37 ↑ New
        Conversations in the office only on the topic "WHERE TO RUN? !!" if anything!!! And in my office no one said anything like that for some reason.


        You have one office for the whole of England, chtol, Comrade Senior Lieutenant))) I will introduce you, on occasion ... You slam another pint of tea in a pub, and talk ...
        And do not "burn" there too much ... Your country still needs you)))
        1. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 18 June 2016 22: 16
          -1
          And do not "burn" there too much ... Your country still needs you
          I was here (BO) sentenced in absentia (by a flying tribunal) to be shot by hanging .. sad About ten times already. wassat
  • Finches
    Finches 18 June 2016 21: 55
    +7
    Whatever we sit and look at the "Brownian motion", the whole process of triggering the state and defense machine must go through! I will try to tell you in simple words - satellites, for example, see some kind of NATO movement, but it happens constantly - the intensity of exercises along our borders is constantly increasing from year to year, starting from 95th, not to mention in the last decade - agents report that there is a buildup of troops, all this is accumulated by the heads of the Russian special services, that something is reported to the top management, through diplomatic channels there is a stream of admonitions that all these movements are not serious ... The machine, while idling, let the grouping be building up our troops on the western borders - the process in a market economy in peacetime is not fleeting - even when troops move along the roads, they let through economic cargo at first and only at night the newly formed units and formations go, but they are poorly staffed, because Serdyukov defeated all the military schools, there is not enough personnel, because the peak of the demographic hole ..., fleeting courses for lieutenants are created, and recruiting points recruitment of contractors, but they do not have time ..., the industry begins to work in three shifts, but the same, objective economic factors and subjective factors will allow it to reach full capacity in only 1,5 - 2 years ...! By this time, the missile defense system in Eastern Europe is already in full force, which in theory levels out our nuclear, strategic potential up to the Urals, which gives confidence to the Western hawks in the success of the ground operation! Our fleets are beginning to be blocked by the US aircraft carrier strike groups - they are already hanging around our borders and do not allow the Russian Navy to enter the operational space ... Plus, the psychological factor of the political leadership - how much will he has the will to start first ... From a preemptive strike! Even though this is spelled out in our Military Doctrine! At this time - we all don’t know anything about this - military men, they drink vodka in our offices, well, or do their daily work - there is no team! We go to work or lie on the couch clever on VO ... And then the invasion begins - it begins from a massive missile and air strike on units, formations, vital objects of the social infrastructure of the European part of the country, but there is no land invasion yet - our air defense and missile defense systems are being opened ..., and only at this moment a combat alert and mobilization is announced! state borders go out to perform tasks as intended ... Military enlistment offices run to their cabinets with registration cards and frantically begin to write out summons to addresses that no longer exist, because few of us remember that military enlistment offices are needed promptly notify within 2 weeks of a change of residence permit, etc..... The country's macroeconomics needs to be reorganized into military tracks as soon as possible, but it is in private hands - and the capitalist owner is already sitting in Hawaii and he wanted to spit on our problems! The idea is the process of nationalization of enterprises, but the same is not so simple ... And this is still a surface - there is a cyber war, a sabotage attack, a terrorist ..., the population is in a panic ... Invent yourself all yourself, please! hi I do not exaggerate - I’m exaggerating a little, but now we need to prove our strength and determination, somewhere flexibility at the diplomatic level - we need time! This is the task of the country's political leadership - to gain time! If we do everything right, there will be no war! As soon as start caving in to the pacifists or trusting Kudrin and Co. to reduce defense spending - war is not inevitable!
    1. Olegater
      Olegater 19 June 2016 00: 50
      +3
      Quitters Quote "I will try to tell you in simple words - satellites, for example, see some kind of NATO movement, but it happens constantly - the intensity of exercises along our borders is constantly increasing from year to year, starting from 95th, not to mention in the last decade - to report agents that there is a buildup of troops, all this is accumulated by the heads of the special services of Russia, something is reported to the top management, through diplomatic channels there is a stream of admonitions that all these movements are not serious. " It resembles the situation on the eve of the Second World War in 1939-1941, but only with the amendment for the development of technical capabilities for obtaining and passing information.
    2. Inok10
      Inok10 19 June 2016 03: 27
      +2
      Quote: Finches
      Whatever we sit and look at the "Brownian motion", the whole process of triggering the state and defense machine must go through!

      ... I selectively ... you have too much water ... hi
      Quote: Finches
      I’ll try to tell you in simple words - for example, the satellites see some kind of NATO movement, but it is constantly happening - the intensity of exercises along our borders has been increasing from year to year, starting from the 95th, not to mention the last decade - agents report that there is a buildup of troops, all this is being accumulated by the heads of the special services of Russia, something is being reported to the top leadership, and through diplomatic channels there is a stream of exhortations that all these movements are not serious ...

      ... definitely ... Krymnash, arranged an example? ... laughing
      Quote: Finches
      And by this moment they already have a full-fledged missile defense system in Eastern Europe, which in theory levels our nuclear, strategic potential up to the Urals, which gives confidence to the western hawks in the success of the ground operation!

      ... about them? ... to our Urals? ... laughing ... in 50 years, maybe ... even the super-duper SM3-blokIIA (not a single missile in production) can intercept our Topol-M launched from Teikovo if you are directly under the highway along the shortest route through Iceland in the Norwegian Trondheim region. .. well, even the Old Man "Poplar M" flies not like a stone launched from a sling along a blunt ballistic curve, but according to a flight mission and has limited maneuverability, it can fly through Spitsbergen, its range allows ... goodbye America ... hi
      Quote: Finches
      Our fleets are starting to be blocked by the US Carrier strike groups - they are already hanging out near our borders and are preventing the Russian Navy from entering the operational space ...

      ... I will not even comment ... this verbiage ...
      Quote: Finches
      And here the invasion begins - it begins with a massive missile and air strike on units, formations, vital objects of the social infrastructure of the European part of the country, but there is no land invasion yet - our air defense and missile defense systems are being opened ...

      ... you need a bite ... what will they shoot? and otkel? ... verbiage again ...
      ... in general, in the sin of a sick mind we’re mired, any anathema can be brought to mind, to the detriment of your bodily and mental health ... balamamut minds of the world ... it’s not the way to behave this way to a Russian person, but if Basurmanship is unhappy, the answer is due, like forever and ever and until now this world will be so ...
      1. Finches
        Finches 19 June 2016 10: 13
        0
        Alexey, I will be very glad that all this verbiage will remain! Although you did not give a single intelligible argument to refute my general words, you also limited yourself to empty phrases, nevertheless, let everything that concerns world wars with Russia remain only a matter of controversy - who writes on the wall above-here on the pages of "Military review "! hi
        1. Inok10
          Inok10 19 June 2016 16: 39
          +3
          Quote: Finches
          Alexey! I will be very glad that all this verbiage will remain!

          ... I agree ... hi
          Quote: Finches
          Although you haven’t brought a single intelligible argument to refute my common words, also limiting yourself to empty phrases,

          ... but, what was I to answer to a "hypothetical AUG", with a "hypothetical location", as part of "hypothetical forces and means", performing a "hypothetical task", against a "hypothetical fleet" ... Evgeny Batkovich, well, we understand each other ... if you really play CSU, then with a clear understanding ... hi
          Quote: Finches
          nevertheless, let everything that concerns the world wars with Russia remain only a matter of controversy - whoever writes on the wall above - here on the pages of "Military Review"!

          ... I completely agree ... hi
          1. Finches
            Finches 19 June 2016 19: 53
            0
            This is still a very public site! hi
  • Alekseev
    Alekseev 18 June 2016 19: 45
    +6
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    Four NATO battalions can only settle .. at the borders of the Baltic

    Yes, such a number of troops is only an unfriendly demonstration and an excuse for existence.
    It may be worth declaring publicly that we are not going to fight with NATO for the very reason (other than others: peacefulness, etc.) that it is impossible to fight in the nuclear age. We will not significantly increase our conventional forces, but we will cover the inviolability of our borders with a modern nuclear missile shield. Have you even been there ... in the Baltic states and Poland. We have, they say, everything is shot.
    Actually, they probably do not speak publicly that way ... But, nevertheless, it would be nice to remove the questions: we, you see, are not creating thousands of tank and air groups, we are not going to attack, but, in which case, write letters.
    Not 4, but 400 NATO battalions cannot play any role.
    Geyropa does not want and will not fight with the threat to his own good life. This is not ISIS.
    But still, a strong mobile fist of the ground forces, and even naval forces, is necessary.
    It is not always possible to rely on "vigorous" weapons: Banderlog, Georgia-Georgia, etc. NATO prostitutes had and may still have to be forced into peace the old fashioned way.
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 18 June 2016 22: 50
      +1
      That can be used in a local war WMD. Estimate the cry of our former allies in the case of using a couple of nuclear weapons on them, at least for their troops. Now they will begin to tell me here that their civilians will certainly suffer. And I don’t give a damn about their peacekeeper, the more we fill them up the better we are. They won’t feel sorry for us and we don’t need them
  • Altona
    Altona 18 June 2016 19: 47
    +3
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    Four NATO battalions can only settle near the borders of the Baltic states, if suddenly Russia decides to attack the unnecessary Spratia.

    ---------------
    Numerically now it could be four battalions. But as a rule, the number in peacetime does not matter. In fact, an infrastructure is being created for the deployment of 4 divisions, that is, a headquarters or command post, a logistics center, a storage base for equipment, linking to the nearest airfields to deploy a grouping.
  • Vasilenko Vladimir
    Vasilenko Vladimir 18 June 2016 19: 50
    +3
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    can only justify ..

    stupidly
  • Naum
    Naum 18 June 2016 20: 24
    +2
    Before they just ***, they will scream in a bad voice that they are KILLING !!! Well, how can one not stand up for the poor with all the might of NATO? There is a provocation that must be adequately resisted. Would you try to return missiles and radar to Cuba?
  • gorefest7777
    gorefest7777 18 June 2016 22: 18
    +2
    Germany, at one time, also began to slowly pull troops to the border with the USSR, which was in the final, we well know
  • Phantom Revolution
    Phantom Revolution 18 June 2016 22: 32
    0
    I was amused by the picture about nuclear warheads. How many carriers would be more adequate (I saw somewhere about 300-hundred carriers.).
  • Al1977
    Al1977 20 June 2016 13: 48
    0
    Quote: Denis Obukhov
    Four NATO battalions can only settle near the borders of the Baltic states, if suddenly Russia decides to attack the unnecessary Spratia.

    Yes, all NATO will scatter through the bushes, if Putin only sneezes!
  • Observer2014
    Observer2014 18 June 2016 18: 26
    +5
    Four NATO battalions near Russian borders should not be underestimated

    And not who not who and underestimates. On the "Caliber" and "Eskander" nuclear warheads. And not who will not be underestimated. All will receive, so to speak, in importance.
    1. igorkuzik
      igorkuzik 18 June 2016 20: 16
      +2
      Marshal, can I speak better?
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 June 2016 21: 46
      0
      And do not tell me how many carriers of these "Calibers" we have?
      1. Ruslan67
        Ruslan67 18 June 2016 22: 08
        +4
        Quote: Vadim237
        How many carriers of these "Calibers" do we have?

        How many tractors for containers so many carriers bully
        1. family tree
          family tree 18 June 2016 23: 10
          +2
          Quote: Ruslan67
          How many tractors for containers so many carriers

          About a piece of iron, Tipo forgot? wassat
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 19 June 2016 09: 07
          0
          But these container launchers are not in service - otherwise, a direct violation of the INF Treaty.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 18 June 2016 18: 27
    -1
    150 fans dispersed 3000 English. And these 4 battalions of ours will not even notice.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 18 June 2016 19: 14
      +5
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      And these 4 battalions of ours will not even notice.


      When you operate with the concept of "battalion", do you even realize that our battalion and their battalion are somewhat different things both in terms of the number of l / s and armament ??? Or am I already lagging behind life, and their structure has become approximately the same ???

      Fans' slogans do not apply to such a serious matter as the Third World War actually ...

      And these 4 battalions are not so much a guard for Poland and the Baltic states, as a means and an occasion for the start of a big babakh ...

      And - again - time is short - all efforts must be devoted to rearmament and development of the army, aviation and navy ... Slowly it all goes on, as forever in the history of Russia-Russia - we do not have time ... But we need to have time ...
      1. Tatar 174
        Tatar 174 18 June 2016 19: 47
        +4
        Quote: weksha50
        But you have to have time ...

        We will succeed. Now, unlike in previous years, we have a deterrent weapon. If a moment comes, our Supreme may warn everyone that the jokes are over ... But the arms race and international hassle are such that they will never stop while we are in the world, and we are not going to disappear.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 18 June 2016 20: 04
          +2
          Quote: Tatar 174
          We will succeed. Now, unlike in previous years, we have a deterrent weapon.



          I would like to ... Pleases at least practical parity in the strategic nuclear forces ...

          BUT !!! Parity is only with the United States, Nagliya and France ... And there are still a bunch of "friends" who have nuclear weapons and carriers ...

          And the quantity of our art and tanks, unfortunately, can scare only Europe ...

          I am much more concerned about the weapons that reach the most important world bastard ...
  • Mikhail Krapivin
    Mikhail Krapivin 18 June 2016 18: 29
    +8
    According to the scheme of the case presented in the article, our non-important. But if in the last position - submarines at least double the number, then it will immediately become more fun and there will be something to talk about.
    1. mivmim
      mivmim 18 June 2016 18: 47
      +7
      According to the scheme of the case presented in the article, our unimportant

      A large quantity is not always quality.
    2. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 18 June 2016 18: 59
      +4
      Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
      According to the scheme of the case presented in the article, our non-important. But if in the last position - submarines at least double the number, then it will immediately become more fun and there will be something to talk about.


      What NATO, what the states - they like to draw pictures. If they traveled from Portugal to the Baltic for 2 weeks and proudly called it a march, they seriously think that we will sell these mongrels in 60 hours ... Something they are unhurried. So on paper, power is simply galactic, but in fact - show off, I’m sure.
  • PKK
    PKK 18 June 2016 18: 31
    0
    The author pleased, in all the most important components, Art is the main thing, tanks, Strategists, Submarines, Russia is at the level, this cannot but rejoice, there is something to fight. There is enough electronic warfare. And the commanders have already grown up on themselves, this can be seen in Syria and before art worked by the hour. So that the result is correct, it is quite real. China must harness, otherwise the kirdyk itself will wash away with a wave. In Europe, Switzerland has spawned, 2 million military, they, in total, have a good number. That's why they groan from deploying new Pioneers. The Pioneers will become much easier to talk to.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 18 June 2016 20: 11
      +6
      Quote: PKK
      The author pleased, for all the most important components, Arta most importantly, tanks, Strategists, Submarines, Russia at the level of

      are you really so naive to believe this table? I am losing faith in humanity ... there, half of the indicators are distorted! take "our" 305 ships and 53 submarines! Is this with disassembled? or "ships" are meant barges, tankers and tugs too? do you even imagine how much "on the go" ??? and their technical condition ??? fool
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 18 June 2016 21: 49
        +3
        305 is a hike to all Navy ships ranging from an aircraft carrier to a coast guard boat.
    2. Phantom Revolution
      Phantom Revolution 18 June 2016 22: 49
      +1
      Quote: PKK
      The author pleased, for all the most important components, Arta is most important, tanks, Strategists, Submarines, Russia at a level that cannot but rejoice, there is nothing to fight.

      I’ll add more tanks, how much is really in combat condition? With our storage conditions I would boldly share on 2 at least.
  • zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 18 June 2016 18: 31
    +7
    All this is very sad. Beautiful pictures about the presence of certain weapons and personnel nda. At all the command and staff exercises, in the eighties, on a limited nuclear war with the USSR, NATO considered that in any situation the war would become a full-scale nuclear war. Neither the old boa constrictor, nor the Frog, nor the yellow dogs, as the wise Ka said.
  • Dave36
    Dave36 18 June 2016 18: 31
    +8
    Are they ready to die? We yes ...
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 18 June 2016 18: 39
      +2
      Quote: Dave36
      Are they ready to die? We yes ...




      History has not taught them anything. Sorry for these poor fellows.
      1. Dave36
        Dave36 18 June 2016 18: 50
        +3
        We are also sorry, but this is not our choice.
    2. cyber
      cyber 18 June 2016 19: 14
      +6
      Usually, those who shout that they are ready to die just wait for them to die for them. I know from experience in Chechnya.
    3. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 18 June 2016 21: 20
      +2
      Quote: Dave36
      Are they ready to die?

      I think the Germans are quite ready to die for Germany, the French - for France, etc., but it is unlikely that Merkel and Hollande will be able to explain to the Europeans why they need to go to fight to the other end of Europe.
      1. cyber
        cyber 19 June 2016 09: 49
        0
        In 41, the Germans were explained why they needed to fight the USSR. Why do you think that now it will be difficult to explain to the Germans "the need for war"? Ideologies of fascism, Nazism, Zionism, etc. did not go anywhere. Moreover, the vaccination against Nazism seems to be losing its properties in Germany: they began to release "My Life" (with comments), send battalions to the east ... it is probably a matter of time before they realize their "right" again ...
        The fact that they are the head of Europe, uniting the nation of Europe - they already understand
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  • ser-pov
    ser-pov 18 June 2016 18: 40
    +7
    I’ll say one thing, I don’t advise them to try our strength ... It will cost more! This is without any Urya ...
  • Aaron Zawi
    Aaron Zawi 18 June 2016 18: 41
    +3
    For some reason I do not understand the meaning of the article. And what about the battalions and brigades of the Baltic countries, Poland, and Norway? Aren't they from the NATO structure?
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 June 2016 18: 57
      +1
      “Where there are four battalions, then based on them you can increase the group. Therefore, this should be regarded as a threat. Units that are not units of a particular country, but like NATO troops, appear near Russian borders. And this indicates focus against the country near which they are located. Talking about protection is weird. These states themselves can defend themselves. And NATO troops can come to the rescue. And if they deploy them, it means that this is no longer for defense, but building up a group precisely for a possible attack on Russia, ”Alexander Perendzhiev believes.
    2. Albert1988
      Albert1988 18 June 2016 19: 13
      +5
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      And what about the battalions and brigades of the Baltic countries, Poland, and Norway? Aren't they from the NATO structure?

      Of course they are also from "Nata", but they are, so to speak, local and their presence next to us is quite natural, and the basis of the mentioned new 3 battalions will be Americans, Angles and Germans - that is, those who "do not live here" and makes us draw conclusions, moreover, they themselves say that these forces are deployed against Russia (it is clear that "Russian aggression" is pure propaganda nonsense) ...
  • alfa19638
    alfa19638 18 June 2016 18: 43
    +10
    Underestimation of threats leads to huge sacrifices, the situation is now very, very difficult and any manifestation of good will be regarded as weakness. The war against us never stopped and now it goes in all directions and try not to notice it, to do a good face with a bad game, dusting reality with this crime, but we all have partners!
  • BOB044
    BOB044 18 June 2016 18: 48
    +5
    The threat is understandable. But how many were there who wanted our Russian territory. And where are they now. No need to touch Russia, it will be shitty to you. If not to say obscenities.
  • max15243
    max15243 18 June 2016 18: 48
    +8
    These four battalions, apart from punitive operations in the Baltic states, will not be able to do anything. Most likely, they will hold back the protest movements, which sooner or later begin in connection with the worsening economic situation. By its actions on Western sanctions, Russia actually dealt an economic blow to the underdeveloped economies of the Baltic countries, which had a large income from transshipment and transportation. processing of cargo flows from the Russian Federation to the EU and vice versa.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 18 June 2016 20: 06
      +2
      Quote: max15243
      a blow to the underdeveloped economies of the Baltic countries, which had a large income from overloading, transportation. processing of cargo flows from the Russian Federation to the EU and vice versa.


      Yes, I remember, at one time Estonia was the world's largest exporter of metals.
      And they will not protest. There is really no one. I think the states are preparing their "sudden blinding blow" and they themselves do not believe that the issue will work, but for some reason they are sure that their Strategic Missile Forces will not begin to kill the noise. Then this meat may come in handy. Columbia Pictures is short.
  • Dave36
    Dave36 18 June 2016 18: 52
    +8
    They’re already bullying in Syria, f18 is sent to intercept our 24x
  • sl22277
    sl22277 18 June 2016 18: 58
    +5
    NATO is working out real-life scenarios of warfare with Russia using American tactical nuclear weapons. We do not do this. Therefore, it is absolutely clear who is the aggressor and who is not. In addition, it is NATO that places troops and missile defense systems near Russia. Moscow is forced to respond to this. NATO’s military infrastructure is approaching our borders, and not vice versa. Russia has never conducted aggressive military exercises. The sudden checks that are now being conducted in the Russian armed forces are the very essence of military affairs. Suddenly Napoleon came, Hitler suddenly came, suddenly NATO came to our borders.
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 18 June 2016 22: 53
      0
      In the case of the use of American nuclear weapons against Russia, our nuclear weapons will fly away from them. 18 missiles are pc-xnumx and half the population is a beacon of democracy corpses. Never again recover, as we unfortunately.
  • cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 18 June 2016 18: 59
    +7
    Until a new party with a new strong leader comes to power in RUSSIA, we will gradually surrender our positions in the WORLD and in the country. Liberalism, our country took a deep breath, the collapse of a country such as after a nuclear war. There, at least they would immediately stop howling, otherwise they will howl and further the enemies go. And most importantly - we didn’t lose and we didn’t capture us, but we live worse and worse. And all this (charm) is not from an alien enemy, but from our dear elite, who continues to bring all the delights of deception and lies to our country under the cries of how they are fighting the Western hegemon. The ideology has become one-svoer, sell, and there though the grass does not grow, let it still warm up in people and in the country. There are fewer poor people in our country, life has become better, and retirement needs to be raised from the age of 65, and ambulances will be paid, and they will, believe me. And four battalions will soon turn into 4 divisions. And these are just the flowers-berries in front. soldier
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 18 June 2016 19: 24
      +2
      Quote: cerbuk6155
      Until a new party with a new strong leader comes to power in RUSSIA


      Hmm ... You see such a party and such a leader in Russia ??? Maybe - "Fair Russia?" ... Maybe - the Communist Party ??? Don't be ridiculous ... There is nothing to say about the others ...

      PS Sometimes a funny and crazy idea appears: to give Zhirik power in his hands for 3-4 days ... Oh, and I would have made a rustle ... Not only washed my boots, but also forced my cowards to wash the Balts, and dried my footcloths in the White House. .. laughing

      Bad joke ... I know myself ... fool
      1. cerbuk6155
        cerbuk6155 18 June 2016 19: 48
        +3
        And I want, I want to pull RUSSIA out of this swamp. And the new party is not Fair Russia. This is a new party !. Dreams, dreams, but would you think it would be better if the KING came and with his full right would put things in order, and would chop off the heads of the corrupt boyars and put anyone on the stake. And he would not look at the West what he would say there. Death for the Tsar and for RUSSIA is the best death. The truth is for a strong and powerful Russian Tsar and not pro-Western parsley. soldier
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 18 June 2016 20: 08
          +3
          Quote: cerbuk6155
          Dreams, dreams, but would you think it would be better if the KING came and with his full right would put things in order, and would chop off the heads of the corrupt boyars and put anyone on the stake. And I would not look at the West, what would he say there



          Duc ... We also had such kings ... However, the boyar-clerical tribe is ineradicable ...
          Like weeds - even mow, even pull out - tomorrow will grow even more ...
        2. ALEA IACTA EST
          ALEA IACTA EST 18 June 2016 20: 51
          +4
          The party that got to power and merged with the state apparatus sooner or later becomes a gigantic parasite.
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  • Every
    Every 18 June 2016 19: 03
    +3
    Quote: Mikhail Krapivin
    According to the scheme of the case presented in the article, our non-important. But if in the last position - submarines at least double the number, then it will immediately become more fun and there will be something to talk about.


    Russia will not be able to maintain an equal amount of equipment and personnel, it is too expensive, the budget will not pull (it will be like with the USSR). And comparing one country and a whole block of 30 countries is incorrect. But at the same time, if we compare the nuclear potential, the situation is not so bad. We may be inferior to NATO in conventional weapons, but nuclear weapons are almost equal. The Europeans are already shouting about the end of the demonization of Russia, because they understand that they will be the first to receive the "Voevoda" under z .... zu.

    Quote: Dave36
    They’re already bullying in Syria, f18 is sent to intercept our 24x


    You are not talking about the case when the SU-34 attacked a loyal US group, after which the F-18s were raised, which flew and returned for refueling, and at that time the SU-34 attacked again?
    1. Dave36
      Dave36 18 June 2016 19: 17
      +1
      Like 24th, but about this one)
  • Olegater
    Olegater 18 June 2016 19: 03
    +6
    Dear forum users, one question WHEN will it blaze? To be honest, this tension is already enough. I understand that this is not a joke and not a computer game, but also as in the aphorism "the expectation of death is worse than death itself" something like that.
    1. Fox
      Fox 18 June 2016 19: 12
      +5
      Quote: Olegater
      Dear forum users, one question WHEN will it burn?

      don’t worry. just get ready. carefully and slowly. study the tables, shoot weapons, buy equipment (you had to do this the day before yesterday) and ... calmly wait. when it blazes, you'll be ready.
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 18 June 2016 19: 44
        +2
        Snaryaga is, experience (a little truth) is. It remains to shoot a weapon (which is not) laughing .
      2. dauria
        dauria 18 June 2016 21: 40
        +1
        and slowly. Study the tables, shoot weapons, buy equipment


        Do not do a damn thing and remember - until your Vanka-platoon (now it is a military commissar) kick and obscenity raises you, do not listen to anyone. Yes, even more importantly, the most important thing in the army after Vanka is the nachstroy, check the number of the order for admission to all types of allowances. , without porridge, foot dressings and term of service, let them fight themselves. laughing

        Yes, and don't forget to repeat "I don't give a damn about everything, that's all." It will save you a thousand times.
    2. OlegYOla
      OlegYOla 18 June 2016 19: 13
      0
      This is addressed to NATO maniacs repeat
      1. Olegater
        Olegater 18 June 2016 19: 21
        +5
        I would turn, only they do not understand the mat. A conversation with them, I get only on it. Unfortunately there are no normal words and epithets (seeing their actions and statements)
  • MATROSKIN-53
    MATROSKIN-53 18 June 2016 19: 07
    +8
    Why do we always give in, are we afraid to be branded as aggressors ?! After all, for all of Europe and the United States, we have long been aggressors and invaders. Our troops are not in Ukraine, but everyone says that we are there. How long can this state of affairs last ?! At @ bat once, so that it does not seem a little, immediately the languages ​​†‹вЂ‹ in the railway station are plugged up and there will be less pride. Warriors, their mother! In Syria, they immediately shut up while our ISIS members were ironing. And now they have fluffed their peacock's tail again ... Abomination! After all, Putin said: "If a fight is inevitable, hit first." So what? What are we waiting for? These NATO s.i.n.dosy generally beguiled the Ramses. They only understand strength. So you need to show them this power!
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 18 June 2016 22: 55
      -1
      I completely agree. Stop giving in already. If you need to fight - thrash from the heart. Let them remember and hate us for centuries for tens of millions of fried relatives and ruined ancient cities. They want to die - need help!
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 18 June 2016 19: 11
    +2
    You never know how many, but in order to ignite a big fire a little match is enough. Something played too much NATO.
  • Boa kaa
    Boa kaa 18 June 2016 19: 12
    +4
    The deployment of the armed contingent at the borders of another state, as anyone would not like to imagine, is an unfriendly step that clearly does not improve the relations of the parties.
    But I was concerned about the position of Svidomo: at least sideways, at least cancer, but crawl into NATO ...
    And this is extremely negative: we can seriously lose our independence, even in the distant future. But this can not be allowed! That's where, in my opinion, the dog is buried!
    And therefore, it is time to end the snake creeps of the Maidan bottling and return the people's power to the independence.
    And the 4 battalion - so, nothing: pampering to create a precedent and provocations.
  • Olegater
    Olegater 18 June 2016 19: 16
    +5
    That's right (MATROSKIN-53) because there are levers to muffle all these cries about our alleged aggression. Ultimately, Russia has never been a friend to the West, or even a neutral state. And at the present time, the hysteria generated by "partners" ie enemies in any case would start. And that the Russian authorities are not doing anything to somehow show their strength - we are just fawning and expressing ourselves politically correctly (disgusting), and this in turn gives them the right to think of us as a weak and weak-willed country.
  • Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 June 2016 19: 21
    +2
    There won't be enough of 4 divisions. For a real offensive, you need at least 40. Knowing the situation in gamerope and communicating with many Europeans, I will say this - no Germans, French, Danes, etc. WON'T GO DIE for Polish apples and Baltic sprats. No matter what they shout in the media, and no matter how they add claws and fangs to the Russian bear. And the genetic memory works. They understand that we will introduce a visa-free regime unilaterally. The striped ears will try to sit out behind the puddle, and what will cover the Gay Europeans? Are the small-shavens hoping to sit out behind the Channel again? So we have almost all the armored vehicles floating, in five hours the whole crowd will be on the other side. And "Iskander" is not a V-2, they have KVO - 10 meters! And the small-shaven fleet has one name. Raise the Irish of the North, the Scots - and the Khan of England am
    What a strategist I am! I just think that turning Europe into a battlefield is not in the interests of Matrasia. There will be no market! And the notorious transatlantic partnership will be covered ...
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 18 June 2016 20: 01
      +3
      Raise the Northern Irish, the Scots - and the Khan of England
      Will they take the side of the aggressor?
      fleet in small brit - one name.
      And in Russia, then what, instead of the fleet?
      1. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 18 June 2016 20: 40
        +3
        So the British will need a fleet to guard the La Mancha. And on the shore there will be a lot of things by that time. Since it comes to La Manche. And to lead a fleet into the strait in such a situation - leave it there. As for the Scots, etc. this is irony in its purest form, is it really not clear. Anyway, such scenarios in the presence of strategic nuclear weapons are from the realm of pure fantasy.
        1. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 18 June 2016 21: 10
          +1
          similar scenarios in the presence of strategic nuclear weapons are from the realm of pure fiction.
          But this is rightly noticed.
    2. x.andvlad
      x.andvlad 18 June 2016 23: 39
      +2
      Mountain shooter
      I just think that turning Europe into a battlefield is not in the interests of Matrasia. There will be no market! And the notorious transatlantic partnership will be covered ...

      So I think that this whole movement is being conceived solely under pressure from Washington and to justify the existence of a NATO bloc. And NATO, above all, needs the United States as a well-subordinate arms market and all associated junk. It is very difficult to imagine how some Spanish battalion would lay bones for any Latvia. lol Along with this, the stubborn American cowboy policy makes you strain.
      I would like to believe that the reciprocal deployment of the corresponding units of the Russian Armed Forces on their western borders will be enough to balance the situation.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 18 June 2016 19: 28
    +3
    Well, given that NATO is the strongest military organization on the planet, it’s probably worth fearing their presence near our borders. When NATO places troops, navy, air defense systems, missile defense systems and so on near our borders, the Russian leadership says that it will accept retaliatory measures. What kind of retaliatory measures can this be, except for the empty movement of troops inside Russia from point A to point B which does not give any result. The United States will deploy a fleet in the Black Sea, and ours will say so that we will take retaliatory measures, Finland in NATO will enter nuclear missiles next to Peter’s put, and our military will say again, yes this is nonsense, here we will take retaliatory measures and everything will be on the ointmentlol Russia has a small population for a big war, few planes, helicopters, I am silent about the fleet. Russia, unlike the United States, and even more so NATO, will not be able to make up for losses in technology for a long time, and if the United States suddenly goes to the roof , and they decide to deliver a nuclear attack on key military facilities, and cities with millionaires have nothing to catch here at all. No retaliatory strike (if it will, of course) compensate for such damage
  • Egoza
    Egoza 18 June 2016 19: 44
    +5
    All that remains is to wish NATO: "Leave in English. Don't wait until they send you in Russian."
  • Fearless
    Fearless 18 June 2016 20: 00
    -1
    Pido race these amerikosy as if you pid orov destroy
  • Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 20: 01
    +3
    It must be understood by all parties that the next war will be waged with the use of nuclear weapons, that is, following a previously developed directive and for complete destruction. The battalion is bigger, the battalion is smaller. And the creation of infrastructure with the ability to deploy these units to brigades - divisions is like raving generals of past wars, or an act of intimidation of their own population
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 18 June 2016 20: 28
      +2
      Today, the presence of nuclear weapons no longer scares anyone, and a war may not be nuclear, without a nuclear war between the USA and the USSR at the initial stage planned by both parties. A military alliance between Russia and China would not be bad there a lot of manpower, but China could be smeared and the USA promised land in the Far East, but here the Japanese can stand up. In short, the US needs to be weakened, then the allies will fall off like leeches, but how to weaken them?
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 18 June 2016 22: 57
        0
        Any non-nuclear attack on the territory must be answered with a nuclear strike on the enemy. Then no one dares to climb, neither the United States nor China.
  • volodya
    volodya 18 June 2016 20: 05
    +4
    For some reason, it seems to me that they aimed at Kaliningrad, they want to take it away. Although this is my personal opinion.
  • masiya
    masiya 18 June 2016 20: 06
    0
    I’d like to say what’s the point of your units ... one hell of a radioactive turn into us ... your Baltosia didn’t fall for us, why seize it ... again to build factories and people to re-educate - that's enough.
  • Olegater
    Olegater 18 June 2016 20: 17
    +2
    I looked carefully at the picture. And you know what's wrong with her? From my point of view, human resources are not taken into account there. Let me explain that on the side of Russia, Russians will fight and maybe, according to old memory, the inhabitants of the former USSR (there will not be many of them). But on the enemy’s side, in addition to the military contingent of NATO aggressor countries, refugees will be attracted (by the way, they aren’t written about by the media now, is it strange?) And nobody counted how many of them accumulated in the eurozone. And the mercenaries of all private companies the approximate number of mercenaries the same no one can say.
    1. ALEA IACTA EST
      ALEA IACTA EST 18 June 2016 21: 10
      +4
      A division of migrants will have to keep a normal division in order to close the gap in the front when the Arabs heroically scatter.
  • Ivan Ivanych
    Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 20: 23
    +1
    One very intelligent person said - whoever has captured the country will feed it. Do we need this?)))
    1. berezin1987
      berezin1987 18 June 2016 22: 59
      -1
      Why feed? Apply the German plan "Ost" to them and nothing else is needed. Do not die of ray - they will die of hunger. There is no need to show any mercy. We must deal with them as ISIS does with infidels
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 19 June 2016 00: 40
        -1
        Do not die from radiation - die from hunger.
        You are among the first to die, they also have nuclear weapons. And then all the rest will die - the ecosystem will simply fall apart and even the New Guinean Papuans will die, there will be no crocodiles or a coconut.
  • Bramb
    Bramb 18 June 2016 20: 50
    +5
    It’s time to adopt an offensive strategy: aggression against us is the removal of the population from zero territory and a region is created (not a republic – region) without the right to withdraw and without the right to vote for 100 years.
    Then any husks such as Poles, Baltic states will not matter. So and so they do not have the meaning of their existence on this Earth.
    Enough to be kind to all sorts of w.r.odov !! They must be destroyed !!!
  • ODERVIT
    ODERVIT 18 June 2016 21: 02
    +1
    Four battalions, of course, are not dangerous, but the tendency to such actions is alarming.
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 18 June 2016 21: 12
      +1
      4 baht is just a tease.
      For the level of the congress or the European Parliament - it will do. For the jumping monkeys from the neighboring unfinished - will do. And for military operations - this is a maximum of 30 minutes of combat.
  • cheap trick
    cheap trick 18 June 2016 21: 10
    +1
    there is a simple rule in the world — only the strongest survive! how much longer will Russia with squirrels in the form of GREAT Concern to feed its people? until all these cunning plans grunt! Isn't it clear that the krants are coming? so why shouted bases-bases in South America.vietnam.cube loudly while we thought that the Americans and Vietnam agreed with Cuba, in Argentina, they threw off, in Brazil, they threw a mess in Venezuela, South Africa is already not watching India towards BRICS! fade! Wouldn't it be time for the military to take power? otherwise these underground intelligence officers work only in language.
  • sw6513
    sw6513 18 June 2016 21: 15
    +2
    The article is very correct, alarming for our Fatherland. Especially now that we have no trump cards (we have armaments) .. The years of reign of Serdyukov’s reign did not pass without a trace. We hope for the prudence of the parties, because the world can disappear forever ..
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 18 June 2016 21: 56
      +1
      The world will not disappear - it will change dramatically - other superpowers will rule there.
  • NDR-791
    NDR-791 18 June 2016 21: 27
    +2
    NATO decided to deploy (on a rotational basis) four alliance battalions in Poland and the Baltic countries in response to the so-called Russian aggression.
    Where there are four, there are eight. And on a rotational basis, it may happen that at some point sixteen will accumulate, just like in the 41st type to rest in front of the "overlord". Do not forget, in addition, that they studied the southern route for many years - when ours in Afghanistan opened a corridor for them. That way, from the south, you can land more than one division at a time, and not just some battalions. And for so many years of "cooperation" they have studied everything.
  • Ilotan
    Ilotan 18 June 2016 21: 53
    0
    Quote: Naum
    Here they shot "Cornets" from small ships for 2 thousand miles on militants, and this impressed many. "Hotheads" were a little chilled.

    Maybe, after all, "Caliber", and not "Cornets"? "Cornets" fly closer every 500 times.
  • lopvlad
    lopvlad 18 June 2016 22: 26
    +1
    the article is not about anything ..
    But you could do with one sentence
    "The number of troops deployed may seem insignificant, but the significance of this event is extremely important from the point of view of the defense of our borders."
  • dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 18 June 2016 22: 27
    +1
    Judging by the picture with the numbers - as it was with us at the right time with tanks and artillery everything was all right and the rest is profitable
  • Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 18 June 2016 22: 29
    0
    Clintonsha (Clinton's daughter) gave birth to a child: http://www.vesti.ru/m/doc.html?id=2766573

    But how could such an old galosh clintonsha admit ???
  • northern
    northern 18 June 2016 22: 35
    +1
    Quote: Tartar 174
    They are gathering in packs again ... Napoleon, ... Adolf also started this way.

    although they got to their full height, unfortunately, they managed to do a lot of troubles, he still hasn’t overgrown everything with grass.
  • berezin1987
    berezin1987 18 June 2016 22: 36
    0
    Enough to stand on ceremony with the gay men! They’ll climb to Kaliningrad or to another part of Russia - to inflict a total thermonuclear strike with hundreds of warheads on the cities of the aggressor countries. Let hundreds of millions of these creatures die in the crucible of thermonuclear war. The goals for the attacks to choose with the maximum number of victims. After nuclear strikes, beat organophosphate BOV over already destroyed cities, for sure. And the Americans with shaving this time should not sit aside
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 18 June 2016 22: 48
      +1
      attack by hundreds of warheads on cities of aggressor countries. Let hundreds of millions of these creatures die
      And what will happen to the Russians in this case? And personally with you in the end? And yes, nobody seems to be climbing anywhere.
      1. berezin1987
        berezin1987 18 June 2016 23: 01
        0
        Let them live until they climb. They want to clean the Russians, and we will clean them. Everything is very simple
        1. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 18 June 2016 23: 54
          +1
          They want to clean the Russians, and we will clean them.
          Will you celebrate victory in a deep bunker? Most likely you will not be allowed to go there.
          1. Skubudu
            Skubudu 19 June 2016 01: 15
            0
            We, unlike you, docking the territory, we will rebuild in Siberia.
            But England will become a territory of complete defeat. 99% of the population will instantly evaporate.
            1. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian 19 June 2016 13: 11
              0
              we will rebuild in Siberia
              Who and what will be rebuilt in Siberia after a nuclear war (nuclear winter, forest fires) if even now there are not so many willing people there?
  • Mih
    Mih 18 June 2016 22: 54
    +1
    The German edition of DW emphasizes that the expansion of the presence of NATO troops in the east of the alliance is in order to contain Russia.
    lol

    Well, Germans, well, heroes! So will they hold back? Pina Hoffmann - King of Suspenders? laughing
  • azbukin77
    azbukin77 18 June 2016 22: 57
    0
    Quote: Anglorussian
    fact ... since there’s nothing left of her,
    I talked with Kaliningraders here in London and I am sure that I am right. Scots and North Irish-subsidized regions and their feeder will not be sent. In addition, most of them are loyal to the Crown. And the queen of gin and tonic can drink-only in London about 10 productions of such ...

    You communicated with the Goats who caught theft in London (emphasis on the SECOND 0) AND NOT WITH THE KALININGRADS It is said that almost 150 thousand will rise without an order. Only "otpustniki" live here
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 18 June 2016 23: 52
      0
      With goats stealing
      They stole a little that already went to the construction site.
      without an order 150 thousand will rise. Only "otpusniki" live here
      Even in the Donbass the table did not rise.
  • Orionvit
    Orionvit 18 June 2016 23: 23
    0
    Quote: ShadowCat
    Underestimating the adversary leads to errors, reassessing the adversary leads to fear and self-destruction. Look at the enemy soberly and calmly.
    This is I Bushido and Sun Tzu summarized.

    The art of Sun Tzu warriors and the Bushido samurai code of honor (hidden in foliage) are two completely different things.
  • RUSIVAN
    RUSIVAN 18 June 2016 23: 43
    0
    Four NATO battalions near Russian borders should not be underestimated
    Whatever it may be, but there will definitely be a turning point, and here the issue or the alliance must make concessions to Russia, which is unlikely due to its pride or NATO will decide to open provocations with the ensuing consequences, and they will check us sure how Russia is ready to seriously defend its interests and from here it will be clear whether a full-scale war will take place or a minor hassle ... after all, NATO is not only the United States and other European countries, but those countries have their own interests and they will be guided by them, despite US orders, no one will die for it it just doesn’t want to, and a war with Russia will lead to this and Europe will be the first to die, which has many interests with Russia, no matter what they say and historical experience will hint at what this is fraught with.
  • romex1
    romex1 19 June 2016 02: 08
    +1
    Quote: gispanec
    Quote: Inok10
    You want to say we will sit and look at this Brownian motion ?! ..

    and you want to say that you get up tomorrow and go sign up for partisans on the western border?

    I will go.
  • nik517
    nik517 19 June 2016 02: 49
    +2
    How we love pi ... it hurts.
    The site is like a trash basket.
    Somewhere on the subject of scribbling, but mostly sofa nonsense.
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 19 June 2016 04: 28
    +1
    Well, NATO will climb and so what? Our rockets will fly through their heads to their home.
    Moreover, right away, because we warned them, we talked about such an answer.
  • Hannibal Lecter
    Hannibal Lecter 19 June 2016 09: 01
    0
    Quote: Tartar 174
    They are gathering in packs again ... Napoleon, ... Adolf also started this way.

    Yes, let them gather. You won’t have to look for anyone to send to Napoleon.
  • wow
    wow 19 June 2016 12: 40
    +1
    I don't know how it will go on there, but there shouldn't be any mistakes made by "Stalin's grandfather", such as "re-education" and others! No prisoners or wounded on treatment ... !!! As the hero of Shukshin from the movie "They Fought for the Motherland" said - "... I don't need prisoners here, I need them DEAD here ..." !!!