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Admiral Dubasov was reputed to be the executioner for loyalty to the oath


“From the heroes of the old days there are sometimes no names left ...” The words from the song to the cult Soviet film “Officers” can be completely attributed to many who faithfully served Russia, but are now forgotten. Among them is Fyodor Dubasov.

At the mere mention of him, the older generation remembers horror stories born during the first Russian revolution, which was strangled by the decisive actions of this extraordinary man.

From “Tsesarevich” to “Peter the Great”

He was born on June 21, 1845 in the family of a hereditary naval officer. The founder of the dynasty Avtonom Dubasov participated in one of the first battles of a young Russian fleet with the Swedes. Following family traditions, Fedya Dubasov brilliantly ends the Naval Cadet Corps and soon makes his first round-the-world voyage. Realizing that this is not enough for a naval officer’s successful career, he enters the Naval Academy, where he successfully completes his studies in 1870. Seven years later, the Balkan War began, in which Dubasov, already a lieutenant, not only took part, but became famous throughout Russia.

“Having taken Port Arthur, we are embarking on a path from which there is no turning. I do not want to be a prophet, but it will inevitably involve us in great difficulties ”
In May, 1877, he, commanding the Tsesarevich destroyer, together with three boat commanders, suddenly attacks the Ottoman flotilla on the Danube at the crossing point of our troops and sends an enemy battleship to the bottom. Under hurricane fire, the Turks impudently land with their comrades aboard a sinking ship in order to remove its flag. None of our boats was hurt, all returned safely to base, which was perceived as a miracle. And behind the young lieutenant, the glory of a desperate brave man was soon established. A march was written in his honor, the hero’s photographs were successfully sold on the streets. By the end of the war, Captain-Lieutenant Dubasov was awarded the Order of St. George and St. Vladimir, the gold weapons. He is at the peak of popularity and fortune favors him - he is appointed commander of the cruiser "Africa", produced in the captains of 1 rank.

In 1889 – 1891, he was already the commander of the frigate “Vladimir Monomakh” participating in a three-year round-the-world voyage, accompanying Tsarevich Nicholas on his journey to the Far East. The hike gives not only invaluable experience. The travel notes that came from the pen of Dubasov are found by their readers. He owns and works in the field of naval affairs, mine war, which are translated into English and French. Shortly after the Far Eastern mission, he received the command of the best battleship of the imperial fleet, Peter the Great, and then became head of the Pacific squadron, receiving the rank of vice admiral. And this is where his career growth ends ...

The Shrew Admiral Du


Shoot so shootFyodor Vasilyevich, as once in his youth on the Danube, still shows himself to be a principled officer, he flatly refuses to accept the rules of the game in giveaway, which were spread in the navy. He does not go after the word in his pocket, argues with the authorities, is not afraid of the authorities, shows independence, which he absolutely dislikes the command. The dispute between Dubasov and the legendary Admiral Makarov about the advantage of large ships over small ones is well known. As a result, Stepan Osipovich recognized the correctness of his opponent. However, the command tried to remove the recalcitrant vice-admiral from the fleet, demotion, write off ashore. Not easy to develop relationships with fellow workers. Tough discipline always prevailed on the ships entrusted to Dubasov, he did not tolerate slobs, sycophants and careerists. For this he was considered arrogant and arrogant.

In 1898, by order of the Admiralty, the Russian fleet under his command occupied the Kwantung Peninsula. Dubasov and here had his own opinion, so he landed at his own risk and risk on the island of Kargodo and the port of Mozampo, which are of strategic importance, and which previously held successful negotiations with local authorities. In his opinion, these objects reliably covered the Russian naval bases in the Pacific, threatening the Japanese in turn. Admiral Du, as the locals called him, was resolute, and telegrams about the arbitrariness of the squadron commander rushed to St. Petersburg one after another. As a result, he with a heavy heart had to leave the island and the port (which the Japanese were not slow to occupy) and land on Kvantun. “Having taken Port Arthur,” he wrote in the report, “we are already embarking on a path from which there is no turning. I do not want to be a prophet, but I think that this will inevitably involve us in great difficulties. ” He tries to draw the attention of St. Petersburg to the military preparations of Japan, but remains for the most part not heard.

In 1901, the vice-admiral was recalled to the capital, where they were put in charge of the naval committee, away from the porridge brewing in the Far East, where Dubasov could be so useful. However, he nevertheless took an indirect part in the war with Japan, leading the Russian delegation in the negotiations to resolve the "Hull incident" that occurred off the coast of Britain on the way of Admiral Rozhdestvensky’s squadron. Here Dubasov’s diplomatic skills came in handy, and Russia got out of the situation, retaining the face, for which the vice-admiral was granted an adjutant general. Remaining far from the terrible events that unfolded in the Far East close to him, he continued to bombard the military department with reports and analytical notes. Thus, when discussing the issue of concluding peace with Japan, the admiral advocated the continuation of the war, rightly believing that the enemy was already exhausted. And again it was not heard.

Staying away from the events unfolding in the Far East close to him, Dubasov bombarded the military department with reports and analytical notes. When discussing the issue of concluding peace with Japan, the admiral advocated the continuation of the war, rightly believing that the enemy was already exhausted. And again it was not heard.

The fire was extinguished by fire.

They remembered about him when the smell of roasting was already within the empire: the landowners' estates flared, excesses began. The loyal oath and the Tsar, the servant of the Fatherland is sent to suppress the rebellion in the Chernigov, Kursk and Poltava gubernias, where, acting decisively and sometimes tough, he leads the troublemakers to obedience. By the end of the year, the most difficult situation was in Moscow. Revolutionary lawlessness was going on in the city: there was a real hunt for policemen, gendarmes, guards, soldiers; a day did not go by without being killed or wounded. A group of drunken, armed terrorists loomed about the streets. Looting increased, shops and shops did not work, people were afraid to leave the house. In September, a general strike began in the city. Many were forced to strike.

As soon as Dubasov was appointed by the Moscow Governor-General, an open armed uprising broke out. But the naval officer did not blunder. A state of emergency is imposed, a curfew is announced. Loyal military units were summoned from the capital, a voluntary people's militia is organized, patriotic citizens are activated, ready to rebuff the militants. Dubasov appeals to Muscovites with a promise to restore order, mobilizing them to fight. Having come to the aid of an exhausted policeman, the townspeople, under the protection of the troops, begin to dismantle barricades, detain robbers and marauders.

“I can’t make compromises”

However, time was lost, in some areas of the city street fighting was already in full swing. The revolutionaries acted meanly. Having struck in the back, they hid in doorways, dissolving among the peaceful citizens. Only in the area of ​​the infamous Krasnaya Presnya, 45 policemen were killed and injured.

In the Soviet press, Admiral Dubasov, who suppressed the Moscow uprising, was called the bloody executioner, the strangler of the revolution. And how was it really? Sometimes, behind clear orders and categorical requirements, there was a Christian feeling of a true peacemaker, who did not want to waste blood. Thus, the Governor-General ordered the troops arriving from St. Petersburg, in spite of the instructions they received, not to open fire in vain, not to subject residential buildings to artillery fire. Dubasov insisted that the militants who handed in weapons were not shot on the spot, but handed over to justice. Immediately after the suppression of the insurgency, a fund of gratuitous donations to the victims was created. From his pocket Dubasov allocated seven thousand rubles to encourage police officials who took an active part in the suppression of unrest.

Yes, the admiral’s actions were harsh, but no matter how many people died, he would act less decisively. For comparison, it is worth remembering the victims of 1917's bloody rebellion of the year and its terrible consequences.

From love to hate

After the suppression of the revolt, the Dubasov was blacklisted by revolutionaries-terrorists. Several attempts were made on him, but God kept him. During one of them in the Tauride Garden, terrorists threw a bomb full of nails under his feet. There were a lot of walking people and children nearby, but this did not stop the “fighters for people's happiness”. To the credit of the admiral, he not only was not taken aback, but by grabbing a revolver, he opened fire on the attackers, turning them to flight.

The love of the people of Dubasov was no less sincere than the hatred of the bombers. After one of the attempts, more than 200 telegrams came to his address with words of support from all strata of the population: from the king to ordinary citizens. Among them was the following: “Two small children thank God for delivering you from danger and pray for your speedy recovery. Yura and Katya.

The Savior of the Fatherland was promoted to full admiral and appointed a member of the State Council. He was granted one of the highest orders of the empire - St. Alexander Nevsky, and Dubasov continued to work for the good of Russia, forgetting the offenses inflicted on him and taking down the reproaches while restoring his beloved fleet. His last work was the active participation in the construction of the Church of the Savior on Waters in memory of the sailors who died in Port Arthur and Tsushima.

Dubasov died two days before the 67 anniversary. He was buried in the cemetery of the Alexander Nevsky Monastery. The day after the burial in the Life Guards Semenov regiment, a memorial service for the newly-reposed soldier Theodore was served.
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  1. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 19 June 2016 06: 27
    +9
    Uncle, stern, but ... fair. Now there would be a certain number of such people and it wouldn’t hurt us, anyhow, our "partners", bad thoughts did not arise and did not arise a temptation to all sorts of "flower" dirty tricks ...
  2. moskowit
    moskowit 19 June 2016 07: 31
    +11
    Those who wish to learn more fully about the life and military path of Admiral Dubasov, I propose the work of the writer-marine painter Vladimir Shigin ...
  3. Guardsman
    Guardsman 19 June 2016 08: 21
    +3
    A worthy son of the Great Fatherland, even the sectarians of the "communes where" are silent, although they must have stepped on their shaggy tail here
    1. Guardsman
      Guardsman 19 June 2016 16: 22
      +7
      Gentlemen, minusers, right, at least you explain for what they are, it does not seem like a cobblestone in the back from the gateway, although clearly you yourself are afraid of scooping them up for your wide knowledge wink Well then, it’s clear with you wink
  4. romex1
    romex1 19 June 2016 08: 50
    +3
    a couple of Dubasovs in the army
    1. baudolino
      baudolino 19 June 2016 09: 04
      +3
      Unfortunately, the Alekseevs and Ruses were always in the Russian army on Dubasovs.
  5. Cartalon
    Cartalon 19 June 2016 10: 00
    +4
    Not Dubasov’s participation in the Japanese war is not likely stupidity, Nicholas II had the gift of God to choose the wrong people.
    1. Guardsman
      Guardsman 19 June 2016 15: 57
      -1
      Well then, what a connoisseur of history, you can detail your considerations, or else such founts of knowledge disappear, enlighten us miserable
  6. Aleksander
    Aleksander 19 June 2016 10: 26
    +6
    A wonderful officer who destroyed the rebellion in the bud, which saved the city from terrible victims and terrorists.
    And the tactics of the bandits was meanest:
    they built many barricades in Moscow, which, however, no one defended - their task was only to delay the movement of troops. Having broken into small groups of one or two people, terrorists from gateway and window leaves shot at dragoons and Cossacksdisappearing immediately in the courtyards. The leaders of the December uprising counted: the soldiers would shoot back, falling not in hiding combatants, but in the civilian population of Moscow; this embitter him and prompt him to join the rebellion.
    The authorities gave the janitors the order to keep the courtyard gates locked, but the terrorists began to beat and kill the janitors who locked the gates. As a result of terrorist actions in Moscow in December 1905 was killed 424 person , of them 300 random peoplewho died partly as hostages of terrorists in the building of the Sytin Printing House and the Prokhorov Factory set on fire by them.
    And for all these atrocities, what was the punishment? Yes, practically NO! 28 November - 11 December 1906 at the Moscow Court of Justice a trial was held of 68 bandits participating in the capture of Presnya; 9 people were sentenced to various terms of hard labor, 10 people - to imprisonment, 8 - to exile. belay RAVE! Impunity for crimes and the failure of the authorities to fulfill their own laws against terrorists led to the tragedy of 1917. Court leaders were supposed to be shot, and the instigators of the blanks had to rot away without a trace in publicly useful work long before the 17, and not eat beer with sausages in Zurich.
    1. Pig
      Pig 19 June 2016 11: 28
      +1
      These are the "" A remarkable officer who destroyed the rebellion in the bud "" and brought the people to the point that they themselves were then stupidly hung on the lanterns!
      1. Colonel
        Colonel 19 June 2016 18: 19
        +3
        Quote: Pig
        These are the "" A remarkable officer who destroyed the rebellion in the bud "" and brought the people to the point that they themselves were then stupidly hung on the lanterns!

        I wonder how you would act in his place?
        1. Pig
          Pig 19 June 2016 19: 53
          0
          "I wonder how you would have acted in his place?"
          I do not blame him ...
          but Mr. Dubasov was very lucky that he did not live up to the second revolution and the revolutionary sailor did not reach his tormentor ...
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 19 June 2016 20: 53
        +1
        Quote: Pig
        These are the "" A remarkable officer who destroyed the rebellion in the bud "" and brought the people to the point that they themselves were then stupidly hung on the lanterns!

        The common people were afraid of nothing, but illegal citizens should be afraid. And it was not the people who hung up, but a certain contingent, which is enough in any country. You know how if I don’t like my boss, I’ll make him a hole .... Generally violent the change of power brought nothing good to anyone. In our case, it all ended in defeat in the First World War and the Civil War
      3. yehat
        yehat 20 June 2016 14: 52
        0
        The Russian Empire was very large and the officers knew firsthand what riots and their consequences are.
        therefore, they often acted quite tough, guided by the fact that the rebellion is usually accompanied by a bloody bacchanalia and it must be stopped at any cost.
        from what I learned, the "revolutionaries" acted like today's terrorists
        Perhaps they were forced to such tactics, I can’t say for sure
        but such behavior will certainly not lead to anything good.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 19 June 2016 12: 52
      +3
      Quote: Aleksander
      And for all these atrocities, what was the punishment? Yes, practically NO!

      The tsar was too kind. He exiled the political ones to Siberia, from where they successfully fled and where they organized circles, and did not work in prisons. Therefore, the tsarist regime was rotten and could not protect the system.
      1. Monarchist
        Monarchist 19 June 2016 16: 08
        -2
        Indeed, "Nicholas the Bloody" was not a bloodthirsty person and, to the greatest regret, weak-willed, or, more precisely, he loved his Alex very much, and she loved Rasputin.
        1. Mahmut
          Mahmut 19 June 2016 18: 10
          +5
          From Rasputin most of all "baldel" Tsarevich, who suffered from hemophilia.
          And as for a too kind king, this was not the reason for the weakness of the government. The support of the tsarist regime at all times was not the cruelty of the autocrat, but the support of the nobility. But the nobility had lost its power by the end of the 19th century. They themselves considered the tsar to be the culprit of this, the Marxists considered the development of capitalist relations and industrialization to be the cause of the weakening of the nobility. But in fact, the nobles themselves are to blame for the loss of their positions. After all, what was the meaning of their life in the 19th century. Balls, card games, spiritualistic séances, philosophical clubs on the topic of how to make an enlightened Europe out of bast shoes. Almost universal Freemasonry. Few of them have excelled in science or military careers. But former merchants or even former peasants became major industrialists. But not the "white bone" who considered doing business beneath her dignity. Although they had the initial capital and connections and education for this.
    3. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 19 June 2016 13: 05
      -1
      Quote: Aleksander
      Wonderful officer, ....

      The punisher, he is the punisher, the same wonderful officer as another wonderful-Kolchak.
      Quote: Aleksander
      And for all these atrocities, what was the punishment? Yes, practically NO! ....

      Recently I was in Kolomna, where the photo report on "VO" came from.
      From memory, on a memorial plaque at the station: "In the evening of December 18, 1905, 27 people were shot by the punitive expedition of the Semyonovsky regiment ..." And the names and professions are listed - machinist, worker, sergeant-major, early. stations ....
      It turns out that according to your uprising of 1905, everything happened all over the country out of a desire to just vilely shoot and fight.
      1. veteran66
        veteran66 19 June 2016 19: 11
        +2
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        And the names and professions are listed - the machinist, worker, sergeant major, beg. stations ....

        take the court cases of murders in the USSR, there are also performers: turners, handymen, doctors, even scientists and the military ... it’s not a profession that paints a person.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 19 June 2016 19: 49
          -4
          Quote: veteran66
          take murder lawsuits

          Longtime shabby receiver. To equate criminals.
          Quote: veteran66
          Quote: Guardsman
          yes they hung the creatures of the bombers,
          hung a little, unfortunately ...

          Here is a couple of executioners punitives found.
      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander 20 June 2016 00: 07
        -1
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        The punisher, he is the punisher, the same wonderful officer as another wonderful-Kolchak.

        "Alpha" that destroyed terrorists in 1994 and later, also punishers, like Dubasov, who destroyed terrorists in 1905.
        And the 1994 terrorists were also workers and students. But in essence, 1905 didn’t differ from terrorists — they killed policemen, military personnel, civilians. It doesn’t matter what goals they pursued, it is important that innocent police and civilians perished at their hands. And so they are criminals who deserve to be eliminated.
        By the way, in 1905 only terrorists who resisted with weapons in their hands were destroyed. Arrested people got by with links.
        1. Was mammoth
          Was mammoth 20 June 2016 07: 51
          -1
          Do not equate "Alpha" with the punishers. Alpha refused to shoot at the White House. Is Yeltsin a terrorist for you? I understand that for you and Spartacus is a terrorist.
          So, nevertheless, in your opinion, the uprisings of 1905 just happened countrywide out of a desire to just vilely shoot and fight? Or were there any other reasons?
          And the captain Tereshchenko, who commanded the execution at the Lenskoye mine, is a brilliant officer for you? And the officers who commanded the executions on "Bloody Sunday" are also brilliant?
          PS
          Quote: Aleksander
          By the way, in 1905 only terrorists who resisted with weapons in their hands were destroyed. Arrested people got by with links.

          Lying.
          1. Aleksander
            Aleksander 20 June 2016 09: 07
            +2
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            Don't align "Alpha" with the punishers. Alpha refused to shoot at the White House. Is Yeltsin a terrorist for you? I understand that for you and Spartacus is a terrorist.


            Break the bad habit of giving directions. "Alpha"- punisher of terrorists, like Dubasov. Terrorists are a bunch of people who, in a huge peaceful city of millions (with children, women, services) shoot and kill civil servants, take hostages, destroy the life of society and bring it huge losses, violating the laws of the country (this is Moscow 1905 and Moscow 2002) ... And do not care about their "noble" goals. ...
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            So, nevertheless, in your opinion, the uprising of the 1905 of the year simply happened all over the country from the desire to just vilely shoot and fight? Or were there any other reasons?

            I do not care about their noble (in their understanding) goals and reasons, I say again. They are murderers and violators of the lives of other people - NOBODY give them this rightdid not give
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            Lying.

            Do not lie.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 20 June 2016 09: 18
              +1
              "Alpha" is the punisher of terrorists, Dubasov is the executioner of the people.
              Quote: Aleksander
              Stop the bad habit of giving directions.

              So is Spartak a terrorist? What, there is no answer to the questions, or are you "shy"?
              Quote: Aleksander
              Do not lie.

              On "Bloody Sunday" thousands of terrorists went to bow to the tsar, and he "fed" them with lead.
    4. Guardsman
      Guardsman 19 June 2016 16: 31
      +4
      Hmmm, this is not a "fair" trial in an emergency when the verdict for everyone is one contra, and no time frame one hole from a lead pill, and that's it
      And also the creatures on Pyotr Arkadievich Stolypin erected slander, they say - "the hanger", but they hung the creatures of the bombers, but according to proven cases, and not like a Bolshevik scum like a Bolshevik type, one grandmother said, but it would be easier for someone and a bullet and an excuse
      1. veteran66
        veteran66 19 June 2016 19: 12
        0
        Quote: Guardsman
        yes they hung the creatures of the bombers,

        hung a little, unfortunately ...
  7. masiya
    masiya 19 June 2016 10: 50
    +5
    Now what was happening in Russia at that time without hesitation would have been called terrorism and would have rolled them all to smithereens. Then the imperial authorities did not have decisiveness, or even Lenin and Stalin would not have known, but at the same time themselves without them now, whoever and where would be unknown, so history has one road ...
  8. Basil50
    Basil50 19 June 2016 11: 11
    +5
    Here is such an interesting moment, a combat officer, who was also fortunate, but Tsarist RUSSIA did not need him until he smelled of real danger. For * tiligens * and * democrats * today he is a hero, but during his lifetime he was an enemy, today they are all fighters for the throne heroes, like the king himself, and do not care that all these events are the result of incompetence and elementary greed of the court and nobles.
    And still strange, the defense of the king by any means, not RUSSIA and the king becomes valor. But the defense of RUSSIA is no longer valor, all the awards are only at the discretion of the commander and * the closest attention to the * rules of warfare *. It turns out that you can do anything inside the country, the methods of * pacification * are well described by the * pacifiers * themselves, and the obligatory * nobility * to the external enemy.
  9. REZMovec
    REZMovec 19 June 2016 12: 41
    0
    Hmm ... The hero is not the hero. Who fought for the Fatherland with the busurman, and who tormented his own people. To paraphrase the famous "Who are the judges?" we get "Who is the Hero?" We got to the point where we extol the executioners of our people - perhaps with grants from Western powers? Liberal Democrats are not wasting their time. The two great powers have already profiled the Republic of Ingushetia and the USSR ... Many have a bad memory ???
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 19 June 2016 13: 08
      +6
      Quote: REZMovec
      We got to the point that we are extolling the executioners of our people ....

      Well, why? In St. Petersburg, they got Finnish, a participant in the blockade of Leningrad. And it turns out that there is even a museum.
    2. veteran66
      veteran66 19 June 2016 19: 15
      +1
      Quote: REZMovec
      We reached the point that we extol the executioners of our people

      what people? Maybe "Berkut", which "are children" tried to disperse on Grushevsky, too, will we write down as executioners?
    3. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 19 June 2016 21: 13
      +3
      Quote: REZMovec
      that the executioners of our people are extolled

      Bombers and terrorists are not the whole nation. Well then, let's not fight crime and terrorism. Or do you regret martyrs and Wahhabites too?
      By the way, people were waiting for worse times
      Quote: There was a mammoth
      "On the evening of December 18, 1905, 27 people were shot by the punitive expedition of the Semenovsky regiment ..."

      He does not say anything. For an assessment, you must at least know the circumstances. If they were captured with weapons, then as they say "according to the laws of wartime" ...)
      Now tell me honestly: do you need an ordinary Maidan?
      1. AUL
        AUL 19 June 2016 23: 34
        0
        And one more thing: do not sacredly believe everything that is written on the wall - firewood can lie behind the wall!
  10. Mihail55
    Mihail55 19 June 2016 15: 08
    +1
    Absolute regularity - there is no HARD suppression of terrorism, then the result is the victory of the next MAIDAN!
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 19 June 2016 16: 18
      +3
      Quote: Michael55
      The absolute pattern ...

      There is another pattern - increased exploitation and repression lead to protests.
      1. veteran66
        veteran66 19 June 2016 19: 16
        -3
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        increased exploitation and repression lead to protests.

        there were a lot of protests in the 30s in the USSR? A bit, because there were a lot of repressions
      2. Pilat2009
        Pilat2009 20 June 2016 00: 47
        -1
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        increased exploitation and repression lead to protests.

        Well then, they went to protest. After all, we also have increased exploitation, an increase in the retirement age, a drop in the ruble and living standards. We take bombs and throw them ...
  11. Alexander Greene
    Alexander Greene 19 June 2016 16: 19
    +1
    The executioner - he is also the executioner in Africa. He did not suppress terrorists, but the people, driven by poverty and hopelessness to despair, shot on Palace Square, who rose to fight for a better share.
    1. veteran66
      veteran66 19 June 2016 19: 19
      +3
      Quote: Alexander Green
      He suppressed not the terrorists, but the people,

      good "people" shooting a revolver in the back of the janitor and throwing bombs in a crowded square. For your information, terrorists (according to your people) were shot several times less than people (usually innocent) died from their terror.
  12. Monarchist
    Monarchist 19 June 2016 16: 41
    -2
    Dear Shiva, romex, guardsman, I agree with you that we need such officers in the Armed Forces, but we still need another Stolypin! Then the gentlemen would liberate the friends! And the revolution of 1905 (yes
    and 1917) made the money plundered leaders "white and fluffy": Moisha Sverdlov, Leiba Bronstein, and Blank or Dzerzhinsky were also ...
  13. Aviator_
    Aviator_ 19 June 2016 17: 11
    -1
    The telegram from "two little children" is especially touching. Right a kind grandfather. The article is a custom-made liberal stuffing about "Russia we have lost." Well, this "lost Russia" has existed for 25 years. Where are the achievements?
    1. veteran66
      veteran66 19 June 2016 19: 22
      +2
      Quote: Aviator_
      Well, this "lost Russia" has existed for 25 years.

      what is Russia? Do we have autocracy? I did not know .... This country is a continuation of the communal regime by the sons and grandchildren of the former entourage of the Kremlin leaders
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 June 2016 00: 56
      +1
      Quote: Aviator_
      Well, this "lost Russia" has existed for 25 years

      They changed the name and the rest remained. Even worse, under the USSR, at least they did not hand over plants and deposits to private hands and didn’t steal on such a scale. The people could complain on the party line and they would so warm up the guilty party that they wouldn’t be glad. successful managers were not pushed through the factories. Old Soviet cadres (who did not have time to leave) contributed to the preservation of production
  14. ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 19 June 2016 17: 23
    -2
    Both Dubasov and the militants are killers, on their hands is the blood of fellow citizens.
  15. karavay82
    karavay82 19 June 2016 21: 31
    +2
    A hackneyed example, as CNN still says it’s thought up, write not a revolutionary, but an action movie, or even better a terrorist, and the reader (viewer) will not even pay attention to what the fight is for, what ideas, for him they are BAD.
    So I will give a simple example of the "little ones" of Russian imperialism.
    "Bloody Sunday"
    The procession of St. Petersburg workers to the Winter Palace, which was aimed at giving Tsar Nicholas II a collective Petition on workers' needs. The procession was prepared by the legal organization “Meeting of Russian factory workers in St. Petersburg” led by priest Georgy Gapon. Gapon threw the idea to the masses to seek help from the tsar himself, and on January 7–8 he drew up a petition listing the demands of the workers. Along with economic, they demanded the abolition of overtime work, a guaranteed minimum wage, an eight-hour working day, the petition included a number of political requirements, the main of which was the convening of a national representation in the form of a Constituent Assembly.
    No calls for the overthrow, or murders, or all to share.
    The demonstration going to the Winter Palace was quite peaceful. People carried portraits of the king, the banners. Among the demonstrators were women and children.
    The exact number of people who died on January 9, 1905 is still unknown. They call different numbers - from 60 to 1000.
    And don't talk about revolutionaries and militants. There was not a single shot from the side of the demonstration, which would have preceded the shooting of the tsarist "babes".
    1. a housewife
      a housewife 19 June 2016 23: 34
      +3
      1962 year. Novocherkassk. Much better? And Suvorov Alexander Vasilyevich - the hero of Russia or the executioner of peoples? When terrorists are being destroyed now - are these executioners or law enforcement officers? And those soldiers who shot unarmed people - they themselves are the same people, why didn’t they aim past, even if it was impossible to not fulfill the order? And how everyone here is confident about himself! What would he do there? And who specifically gave the order to shoot? You can argue for a long time, but you can’t find out the truth.
      1. Basil50
        Basil50 20 June 2016 09: 46
        0
        home ...
        It is a pity that education did not spoil you. So to write - you need * talent *.
    2. Pilat2009
      Pilat2009 20 June 2016 10: 41
      -1
      Quote: karavay82
      And do not talk about revolutionaries and militants

      Let’s decide a little. Any state will defend the constitutional system and order, it is for this that it has the police, army, internal troops, riot police and other structures. When the police fail, and the unrest turns into anarchy, martial law is introduced and troops are connected ( and OMON and Internal Troops weren’t there at that time.) What everybody knows about the events of 1917. Yes, the Soviet Union built it at the very least, but how many people were lost are hardly known. And the methods of the Cheka didn’t differ much from the methods of the gendarmes. Now tell me was it worth it to shoot several hundred especially zealous terrorists in order to avoid the Civil War or the war in the Donbass, where about 6000 civilians were already killed?
    3. yehat
      yehat 20 June 2016 15: 21
      -1
      1. About the white lambs in the crowd is a lie. There were provocateurs and the first of them was Gapon himself.
      By the way, he essentially ceased to be a priest, actively joining politics.
      2. The petition, which was carried, was already given to the Duma, the king did not solve such issues. Why they brought her to him is not clear. There is only one explanation - provocation and pressure.
      3. The crowd was offered to disperse, but Gapon was categorically against it.
      I can’t name the exact circumstances why the shooting started, but it is obvious that the move itself was out of the ordinary and even gave impudence.
      The authorities were essentially forced to react harshly.
    4. Colonel
      Colonel 20 June 2016 21: 06
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      Quote: karavay82
      There was not a single shot from the demonstration

      Damn, were you there ???
  16. Yakkola Nikolay
    Yakkola Nikolay 20 June 2016 10: 46
    -1
    One must KNOW history, not listen to tales about the "good" Bolsheviks and the "wise" grandfather Lenin.
  17. Pilat2009
    Pilat2009 20 June 2016 15: 02
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    A convinced monarchist, Baron N. E. Wrangel (father of P. N. Wrangel) wrote: “One thing seems certain to me: go to the Sovereign on the balcony, listen to the people one way or another, there would be nothing, except that the king would become more popular than he was ... How did the prestige of his great-grandfather, Nicholas I, grow after his appearance during the cholera riot on Sennaya Square! But the Tsar was only Nicholas II, and not the Second Nicholas "
  18. igfrost1957
    igfrost1957 29 June 2016 14: 29
    +2
    Lord! What are you arguing about? The article is about an officer who has completely fulfilled his Duty and Oath to the sovereign, and not about a cruel suppressor of rebellion.
  19. Petr7
    Petr7 30 June 2016 19: 25
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    ADMINISTS

    Guys, I don’t know what is happening, but when you give the type links in this post it produces:

    "Invalid redirect on page

    Firefox has determined that the server redirects the request to this address in such a way that it will never end.
    This issue can occur when cookies are disabled or disabled. "

    it happens that in general 404 gives out well and so on - before this was not, but now you have to search by name. This only applies to your reposts.
  20. Russia
    Russia 8 May 2018 11: 31
    0
    And I propose in this post to simply replace "Gapon" with "Bulk" or "Durov" and travel back to our time ...
    1. About the white lambs in the crowd is a lie. There were provocateurs and the first of them was Gapon himself.
    By the way, he essentially ceased to be a priest, actively joining politics.
    2. The petition, which was carried, was already given to the Duma, the king did not solve such issues. Why they brought her to him is not clear. There is only one explanation - provocation and pressure.
    3. The crowd was offered to disperse, but Gapon was categorically against it.
    I can’t name the exact circumstances why the shooting started, but it is obvious that the move itself was out of the ordinary and even gave impudence.
    The authorities were essentially forced to react harshly.