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Why is communism a good choice for Russia?

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I am 34 of the year, and I managed to catch the Soviet Union. I remember well how I stood in line for milk and bread, did not forget the empty stalls in the shops, decorated with pyramids of cans of sea kale, crowding in public transport. 90-e became the time of initiation to the American dream through watching Hollywood films and programs “America with Mikhail Taratuty”. I grew up with pro-Western views and rather a negative attitude towards the past of my country, including thanks to the work of people like Solzhenitsyn and the liberal get-together that seized media channels in those years. Next - higher education in a prestigious provincial university, work and study in the United States on a student visa, where several foreign languages ​​were learned and deepened professional skills, returning to Russia, some successes in work, several years as a middle manager. It would seem that what could be the prerequisites for becoming a communist in the existing personality, firmly embedded in the existing system?

Having worked for several years in business and near-government structures, I came to the following conclusion: in Russia, the American dream and its Russified versions are not feasible. Now in Russia there is a capitalist system in operation, where a narrow stratum of rich people, who are becoming richer, exploit the majority, which is getting poorer every year. The only thing that can be said for sure about the future of Russia: this trend will continue. At the same time, the owners of capital cannot ensure real economic growth, which is so necessary for the country, for which it would be possible to come to terms with such social injustice.



As for the Russian versions of the American dream, I divide them into three types. So, the expectation of number XXUMX: working a lot and honestly, you can climb high on the corporate or powerful career ladder, becoming a “successful” person. However, betting on career growth is too risky. Much more likely to be left with nothing, because in order to break through to the next level, sooner or later you will need not personal talents, skills and hard work, but suitable parents and their connections, often the right nationality, the correct political coloring and timely rollbacks. And even having avoided such obstacles, after twenty years of work, all this can be lost in one day. For example, having made an erroneous bet in a career carnage massacre, or simply because a new chief has come, who puts in the leadership of his people, and gets rid of the former. Scenario No. XXUMX of the American Dream of the Russian Spill: to become an entrepreneur, while producing, selling or reselling something, joining the ranks of the petty bourgeoisie. The problem with this scenario is that, on the one hand, our state does not particularly favor this stratum, putting pressure on taxes and administrative barriers, and on the other hand, it pushes large businesses that work closely with the authorities of different levels. Therefore, the chances of success here are also small. And finally, the dream №1: to invent or implement something, to create a large company, becoming the head of it, thus moving into the capitalist class. The difficulty is that this requires initial capital, and the era of its accumulation in Russia ended in the nineties. Now at the top of the place is occupied, and getting into the ranks of the capitalists, pulling up the coveted cylinder, it is very difficult.

Do not misunderstand me. Any of these scenarios can come true, as can the scenario where you win a million dollars. However, in essence, the current capitalist system is a scam, where very few people get very much, and most think that they have not received much by some ridiculous accident, and that the situation is about to change.

In the long run, such a system is losing both for individuals and for the whole country. This is due to the fact that in today's globalized economy, Russia has a very definite place — the role of a raw materials appendage of industrial centers in Europe and Southeast Asia. Only those who are in power, sitting on a pipe, or serving these two categories will live well. There are no prerequisites for an economic take-off that will increase the welfare of the population and re-enable social elevators

Liberal reforms associated with a decrease in corruption and the democratization of society will not become a springboard for the jump in the Russian economy. Firstly, it will not change the basic layout of the global economy, where we are assigned the role of the raw material base. Secondly, the leading economic powers of the West will not cease to consider our country as big and dangerous and will not cease attempts to break up into more manageable and tasty morsels. Thirdly, in capitalist economies for a rapid leap it is necessary to inject capital from outside. No special money will be given for the first two reasons, so there is no place to wait for growth.

Thus, neither Prokhorov, nor Navalny, nor Zhirinovsky, nor Medvedev, nor Mironov, nor Putin can fundamentally change the real state of affairs in the Russian economy, because they will act within the framework of the existing capitalist paradigm. In the same way, a cleverer czar-father could not have saved the Russian empire at the beginning of the twentieth century if it had not turned itself into a souvenir czar like modern British monarchs.

Why is communism better than capitalism? At least by the fact that communism is the inevitable successor to the capitalist system. Capitalism replaced the feudal society thanks to technological progress — workers in enterprises were needed, and in agriculture, on the contrary, less — by increasing the efficiency of labor. Now, thanks to automation, the need for workers gradually disappears. The capitalist, increasing profits, should automate production, reducing the number of workers. However, who will buy goods if few work? There is only one way out - to increase tax payments to the government. The state will pay unemployment benefits, creating hereditary sybarites, or invent ballast jobs, multiplying rows of guards, accountants and lawyers. This is a form of socialism, and the majority of European states have already come to it to one degree or another.

Planned economy is much more efficient than capitalist in the implementation of ambitious projects and leaps forward. That is why the USSR managed in record time to raise the economy after the civil war, having defeated the economic and military might of Hitler-united Europe in the Great Patriotic War. The Soviet system revolutionized the average level of education of its citizens by conducting a grandiose educational reform. Due to these factors, the Soviet Union in the shortest possible time created a nuclear weapon and ways of its delivery to any point of the Earth, ensuring the security of the country for at least a century ahead. The same mechanism of a planned economy was able to launch man into space and bring the economy of the USSR into second place in the world. Similarly, communism will be able to bring Russia out of the economic impasse in which it found itself, having trusted, as we now understand, to a calculating enemy.

During his reign, the Communist Party and its leaders made a number of mistakes. Most of them (voluntarism of Khrushchev, the cult of Stalin's personality and political repression) were condemned by the party. However, this does not cast a shadow on the very idea of ​​communism, since the problems of communism in the USSR are the problems of the growth of a new system in a hostile environment. Despite the collapse of communism in Russia, the current largest economy in the world, the PRC, is managed within the framework of a planned economy with amendments to the surrounding capitalist reality.

Every year, a planned economy is becoming an increasingly real alternative to capitalism, since the prerequisites for its growth are more and more obvious - automation and computerization of the economy. Automation of production frees workers who are not able to adequately employ capitalism. A planned economy will be able to direct this released resource to more promising areas, for example, the construction of new plants or retraining to control, for example, robots or programmable machines. Informatization will optimize production planning and distribution of goods. For example, with the current level of information technology development, the scourge of communist systems can be eradicated - deficiency and corruption associated with it. The movement of any item can be tracked through the bar or QR code in a single product database, placing orders for the production of products automatically, optimizing logistics and building mathematical models of demand forecasts for hundreds of thousands of items.

Given the experience of past successes and mistakes, the overall level of well-being of Russian citizens in a planned economy will be higher than under capitalism. The state is interested in the welfare of its citizens in any economic system. But with a planned economy in the hands of the state all the tools are concentrated to implement this. In the capitalist system, most of the property is concentrated in the hands of the capitalists. They are not so much interested in raising the standard of living of citizens, but in their own profit.

What should individual citizens do? Join the Communist Party, one or another. Sooner or later, Putin will appoint a successor to himself and try to make sure that the people accept him. When choosing a successor, he will reckon with the mood prevailing in society, so the mood must be announced. As for the transition to a planned economy, this historical inevitability, and the more people support this in society, the more likely our leaders will take up this transition.

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  1. bulvas
    bulvas 18 June 2016 12: 38
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    Well, let's fight on your favorite topic?


    I remember how my friend, a chemistry teacher, reasoned:
    - now I am the secretary of the school party committee, I have nothing
    - the first secretary of the district committee, he can travel to the cap of the country and exchange so many rubles for currency
    - second - so many
    - and the secretaries of the regional / regional committee - as many as the first regional committee - as much as they want

    - I will make my way to the secretaries - I will buy clothes in the cap countries and carry you,

    and you will sell if you behave well

    As private property was allowed, all these secretaries were shut up by the main businessmen, and they introduced such an ethics that it is very difficult for honest hard workers from business

    So, you went with your communism to hell, enough for us to endure these freaks

    1. dvina71
      dvina71 18 June 2016 12: 50
      +103
      There was never communism in the USSR. Except for the "military" as such.
      Under Stalin, there was socialism .. or very close to this.
      Later - state capitalism.
      So it is not surprising that in the end he became ordinary capitalism.
      1. Altona
        Altona 18 June 2016 13: 28
        +61
        Quote: dvina71
        Later - state capitalism.
        So it is not surprising that in the end he became ordinary capitalism.

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        There was a state monopoly, when the state had a monopoly on everything. Naturally, with the disadvantages inherent in this position, when the manager saw what opportunities and resources he owns. Therefore, some of the managers are pushed by the West. And you need to know that in the 1970s-1980s, the broadest foreign economic activity went on, when many managers were faced with the purchase of new equipment, with foreign exchange transactions and all that. We saw the temptations of capitalism, which it carefully built in front of us. Naturally, many succumbed to Western influence, began to advertise capitalism as a kingdom of greater opportunities. Naturally, children of the elite and KGB men worked there, so the collapse of the USSR was actually "blessed" by the elite. Which, in turn, the West has promised with three boxes. Well, something like that, in general.
        About "state capitalism". The USSR was a super-corporation, with the inherent sluggishness of the super-corporation in management and even a kind of stupor in some industries that were financed on a leftover basis. There was only one tit in the form of the state treasury. "Growth points" in the form of breakthrough developments were either defrauded - "genetics and cybernetics, the corrupt girls of capitalism", or stupidly went to the military and classified to death, instead of a broad scientific discussion about their commercialization and applied significance in the national economy. Profit, which is important, was divided by region, but extremely unevenly. The outskirts received more for the development of their mono-industry, infrastructure and assembly plants. In general, the structure of the national economy was built competently and logically. Gaps in demography began to interfere due to the chronic underfunding of the Russian Non-Black Earth Region and the Middle Zone. Hence, in general, our sores, including the current ones. The allied vertical also became capitalist, but it began to work to "drain" the economy instead of developing territories. The official became an "effective manager", although he was no official at all and he was put in by pull. Well, these are all the same Chubais characters, Naebullins, Dvorkovichs, Dima iPhones, VVP itself, Siluanovs, Shuvalovs, Dyachenki, Sobchaks-Narusovs, you know the list without me. Okay, if I'm interested, I'll continue later while I wrap up ...
        1. Altona
          Altona 18 June 2016 14: 01
          +43
          Part Two: The ideology of communism as a program for the development of society and how it was not used in the late USSR.

          The USSR was an ideological state, it is believed that there was a "Marxist ideology". But with big "dislocations". When Stalin, Mikoyan, Malenkov, Molotov and others came to real power, the task arose to create a peasant country from the country with workers and engineers, scientific personnel. Because what kind of "dictatorship of the proletariat" is in a practically agrarian country, where the share of the peasantry was overwhelming, over 80%, moreover, illiterate, individual and poorly armed with modern instruments of labor. They began to create a working class through FZU, workers' faculties, at the same time buying new factories in the USA and Germany, placing working collectives there. The peasantry had to be put on a tractor, to create large productive agricultural farms instead of individual farms. But our worker was yesterday's peasant, without any tangible property, from under the roller of the Civil War. All this was reflected in art and propaganda as the "image of a working man" - an unmercenary, collectivist and all that. By inertia, this image carried very far, although living conditions changed, technology became more complicated and it was necessary to advertise the image of a different worker, more advanced and familiar with modernity than a drunken lumpen, who is once again being pissed off by a place. What I mean is that after Stalin's ideology ceased to be flexible and fell ill with "suslovism". Stalin wanted the principle of merit, when the best lead the elite. And not bronze partocrats overgrown with connections and fat. But ideology moved on to "educate a small person", glorify past merits, suppress dissent, fight against "materialism. Well, about the same as now" ban palm oil and smoking "instead of a real independent economic course. In government and management, workers were nominated for quota and nominally as extras, and in 1985-86 they were thrown out of management altogether.The vector changed, first to a "return to pure Leninism", then to "socialism with a human face", then "condemnation of Stalinism" and the thimbles were finally turned over to liberal postmodernism and financial postcapitalism with vouchers, shares, bills. And they spoke lofty words about “self-financing and public corporatization.” But crooks are crooks in Africa too. Now we have what we have. National funds pocketed, the treasury is sawed between their own, workers are generally thrown out on That's how it happened with a good ideology.
          PS Naturally, Marxism was imposed not on a virgin consciousness, but on 1000-year-old Orthodoxy, Christianity. Hence the different biblical "rehash" in the form of "the moral code of the builder of communism" and "from each according to his ability, from each according to his work" as from the Old Testament "let each be rewarded according to his merits." Well, and a kind of iconostasis leaderism in the form of the famous triad "Marx-Engels-Lenin".
          1. Altona
            Altona 18 June 2016 15: 04
            +50
            Part Three. But what about the West? Hollywood, war and money as tools for opening up self-sufficient societies, cultures and civilizations.

            It is no secret that the "parent" of new and old ideologies, religions and propaganda means is the West. Commodity relations lead to the fact that instead of subsistence farming an expanded production-factory is growing, which requires the marketing of its goods and the attraction of cheap resources in the form of raw materials and working capital. All this was successfully solved by robbing the colonies and the working class. True, all this led to a crisis, there was no one to consume goods because of the low purchasing power of the broad masses. Despite all the tricks of advertising, which was not done by homegrown creators, but people familiar with the human psyche firsthand. Their "developments" began to be widely used not only for advertising goods, but also for processing the population in the form of propaganda. This is what "the most important of the cinema arts" has done and has been successfully brainwashing to this day. Propaganda easily changes true goals to false ones and does whatever you want with people. Let us leave PR and propaganda alone, they were simply adopted by skilled demagogues, such as Adolf Hitler. Capitalism crawled into a powerful crisis caused by both natural contradictions and artificial capitalists — they did not want to share anything with society, until a certain Franklin Delano Roosevelt touched them with the iron hand of the state. Well, like Putin about 12 years ago. Were developed "social programs", in fact, nothing from the Stalinist GULAG is indistinguishable and the US state has changed a little. In Europe, too, there was a wildest crisis caused by the results of Versailles and the charms of capitalism. In general, there was no way out except the war, and the West unleashed this war. At first he funded it, of course, through English and Swiss banks, in order to pump Germany with weapons. And the "second European Union" (after Napoleonic), sorry, the Third Reich took place. The animal was raised to crush the USSR by military means and remain hegemony. But something went wrong, the USSR not only survived, but created a social camp and helped the liberation movement. Along the way, he created rockets and a nuclear bomb, strategic aviation and went into space. The West monopolized finances as much as possible with Bretton Woods, pumped a lot of money into Europe according to the Marshall Plan, bought up all the small producers of food and clothing, and created a "bourgeois showcase of the Western middle class" that it brandished in front of us in the 1970s and 80s. The former colonies were thrown into credit strangleholds and "production sharing agreements" (3% to the state, the rest to the oil industry of the West) and the USSR was shown "how to live" by smoking a Marlboro and hugging a slender blonde in a sun lounger on a beach in Miami. All this went under the magnificent PR of the Western consumer society, which, by the way, was also entangled in loans. Nothing happens for free. Naturally, the light semi-cashmere coat struck us on the spot with its elegance, and the brilliance of the Mercedes finally eclipsed the Moskvich. And the USSR began to crack, as its own commodity flows began to disappear in the "Soviet trade system", and instead of saturating them, having diverted at least 4-7% of the surplus military budget and renegotiating agreements with "consumer countries", they started "perestroika and acceleration". The result is known to us.
            1. vladimirZ
              vladimirZ 18 June 2016 17: 39
              +50
              However, in essence, the current capitalist system is a scam where very few people receive a lot, and most think that they did not receive a lot due to some ridiculous accident, and that the situation is about to change.
              - from article

              The author is right under capitalism, with a monopoly on the power of comprador capital, and there is no other, the fate of the working people and the whole people is doomed to poverty and distress, just as the fate of Russia itself is doomed to be divided, according to the example of the USSR, into dozens of dependent on USA and West, states.
              The faster this understanding reaches people, the faster the return to the age-old idea of ​​social justice, to socialism, communist ideology, to the restoration of Russia.
              It would not be too late. After the partition of Russia - the goal that the United States set in the current confrontation with Russia, we will no longer be given such a chance to restore a socially just system.
              And the fact that the ruling compradors will sooner or later surrender the country, there should be no doubt, examples of the Gorbachev and Yeltsins on the collapse of the USSR, in the memory of all. And no nuclear weapons will help us, just as it did not help the USSR.
              After that, we will turn into feuding and warring "appanage principalities", following the example of the current conflicts Russia-Ukraine, Transnistria-Moldavia, South Ossetia and Georgia, etc., against which in the policy of "divide and rule" the purchased or set comprador "kings", controlled by the police and occupation forces. And grief will be to the people.
              1. Altona
                Altona 18 June 2016 18: 06
                +36
                Quote: vladimirZ
                The author is right under capitalism, with a monopoly on the power of comprador capital, and there is no other, the fate of the working people and the whole people is doomed to poverty and distress, just as the fate of Russia itself is doomed to be divided, according to the example of the USSR, into dozens of dependent on USA and West, states.

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                Our capitalism is "peripheral", that is, we are not a capitalist center. This place is firmly assigned to the United States and Great Britain. They monopolized the right to be a metropolis, the rest are "periphery", that is, they are not a place of concentration of financial and technological resources. Compradors are intermediaries between the national market and the international, that is, people who protect in every sense the interests of the United States and help to export capital there from their own country. That is, Kudrin is a prominent representative of the comprador model of the economy. Well, this is so that you understand the meaning of the terms that you use.
                1. vladimirZ
                  vladimirZ 18 June 2016 18: 41
                  +23
                  Well, this is so that they understand the meaning of the terms with which you operate.
                  - Altona (2)

                  And you, what do you think I do not understand? Or do you see only one Kudrin?
                  And the oligarchs influencing the power, the powers that be themselves, who keep the "acquired by back-breaking labor" in offshores, in American and Western banks; palaces and villas bought there, families living there permanently - WHAT are not signs of a comprador?
                  Or do you think that if now in the confrontation between Russia and the West and the USA, the supreme power of our capitalist state has ceased to be comprador?
                  No, they remain compradors, because they themselves strive to take a place in this international capital market, albeit in the place of a raw materials appendage of TNCs.
                  But the West and the USA do not need this, they directly at least own this raw material pantry of the world, without the participation of Russian oligarchs. This is essentially a conflict of interests of the current confrontation.
                  1. avia1991
                    avia1991 19 June 2016 00: 33
                    +6
                    Quote: vladimirZ
                    And you, what do you think I do not understand? Or do you see only one Kudrin?

                    Quote: vladimirZ
                    Or do you think that if now in the confrontation between Russia and the West and the USA, the supreme power of our capitalist state has ceased to be comprador?

                    Exaggerated conceit and overt self-love, in this particular case, prevent you from correctly understanding people discussing one topic with you. A person supported you by explaining to others the terms which you use - and you attacked him with indignation: how, "someone THERE" dared to interrupt your oracle! wassat
                    Meanwhile, Eugene, as a rule, speaks to the point. For WHOM are you crucifying here? Are you sure everyone knows what the term "comprador bourgeoisie" means?
                    By the way, for those who know what it is, they shouldn't describe everything in detail - they already assess the situation quite soberly. And if you are addressing "common people" - speak "their language" wink meet more understanding!
                    1. Temples
                      Temples 19 June 2016 22: 03
                      +4
                      I am 34 years old, and I managed to catch the Soviet Union. I remember well how I stood in lines for milk and bread

                      The author was 9 years old at the time of the collapse of the USSR.
                      But he managed to defend in lines for milk and bread! poor fellow!
                      Managed to sit out too? In the dungeons of Stalin !!!
                      Great expert, by the age of 9 he knew everything.

                      To compare the planned economy and the capitalist is adequate to compare green with wet.
                      Show me the capitalist who builds his business without a plan.

                      The difference was that on the territory of Russia in the 20th century, the bourgeois sucked. They didn’t have anything!
                      Now everything is for sale. But everything is according to plan !!!
                      That's just the planners have changed.
                      And the inhabitants plow not on themselves, but on the overseas bloke.



                      1. PHANTOM-AS
                        PHANTOM-AS 20 June 2016 02: 29
                        +6
                        Friends, I was very pleased that the young man, who swallowed the capitalist shit, took up communist positions.
                        Over the past 25 years, everything has been taken away from the people, the power taken away and the very opportunity to break into power, taken away the bowels, taken away the land, taken away forests according to the forest code, watercourses, forced to privatize, given out free housing and imposed exorbitant tribute to it, deprived through the highest tariffs and gas prices, the population was able to move freely around the country, deprived of the right to receive emergency and free medical care, people were deprived of the guaranteed right to work (employment), the elderly were deprived of a decent old age, and their children were deprived of a happy childhood. The population was deprived of protection of motherhood and childhood.
                        In our country it is very expensive to be born, it is expensive to live, it is very expensive to be treated and it is very expensive to die.
                        For free we have only zombo-tales in the duroscope about "successes", "getting up from the knee-elbow position", about the collapse of America and the numerous enemies of adversaries.
                        Until the people tear their asses away from their philistine-philistine sofas and at least for the start do not vote against the authorities, nothing will change for the better.
                        Also in the article was a phrase about Putin's successor, whom he will appoint, allegedly, based on the mood of the people belay
                        Comrade Author, you probably forgot that the president is just a manager whom only 60% of the population (who came from the polling stations) entrusted to manage the country's economy for a certain period of time. Which, on the fix, receiver?
                        The President of the Russian Federation is not a king, not a god or a messiah, he is a manager, but a manager in Russian.
                        I’ll say on my own behalf that I fully support the communist idea and I know for sure that those who usurped the right to rob Russia, those in power just won’t give up, so I’ll have to wrestle. And here everything will be envy of the People themselves, for whom each of us will advocate, for the thimbles in the person of the new bourgeoisie or for the dictatorship of the proletariat.

                      2. aksakal
                        aksakal 21 June 2016 00: 53
                        +5
                        Quote: Temples
                        The author was 9 years old at the time of the collapse of the USSR.
                        But he managed to defend in lines for milk and bread! poor fellow!

                        - I didn’t understand ... This is also from my childhood - early in the morning, the mother put us all in line, because there was milk (it was in bottles then, kefir, by the way, also had cream, the cream had a foil lid on the strip, milk has white, and yogurt has some kind of greenish, I could be wrong, and such characteristic bottles, now there are none) gave two bottles per hand.
                        The next day, from morning to school, they were already standing for meat - they gave it two kilos to each hand.
                        Temples, son of the nomenklatura, close your mouth, please. If you were not raised early and you did not stand in lines, this does not mean that everyone lived in the USSR like you did. So your sarcasm is inappropriate here. Where does the pseudo-conscience come from? I can’t understand. How they will begin to praise the Soviet - there were no queues, and there was no shortage, everything was so openwork that it was huge! Then it remains a mystery - what then destroyed the USSR? And this one is a hunchback with a red blame laughing Two chela ruined a gigantic country laughing Or is it a man of gigantic power, and the empire is still rotten? They arrived here from Mars and pass their life on Mars as Soviet.
                        I grabbed the minuses on the last branch and grab it here, but I, you Martians, definitely say - not everything was so rosy in the USSR. The queues were, alas, I personally slept in them, often stood up! But there were enormous advantages - high-quality education and free education, medicine under Chazov ... This cannot be taken away from the USSR. And there were queues. And there was no sex. There is no sex in the USSR - this was clearly voiced. You can’t go for a walk - it’s good for morality, but to me, a young guy at that time, such strict moral attitudes strongly pressed Faberge. So I, too, without pleasure recall that period - the girls did not give the most stringent rules laughing And in the 90s, I sold at the cottage, and the girls were already not so strict. I understand that it’s bad for morality, but I can’t do anything about it - I remember the 90s with great pleasure laughing But for the country it was terribly insulting, insulting now.
                        With all the respect for the USSR, I would not restore an exact copy of it now. Neither this "no sex", nor this fucking deficit, nor the Iron Curtain. But I would have taken the best from the USSR - this is precisely the planned economy, the social sphere (education, medicine, recreation), work with science, etc.
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                3. Makk
                  Makk 18 June 2016 22: 24
                  +3
                  That is Kudrin-bright representative of the comprador model of the economy.

                  Announce the entire list, please, suddenly someone will consider that you wrote it in soft, and will be offended.
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 18 June 2016 22: 49
                    +20
                    Quote: Makk
                    Announce the entire list, please, suddenly someone will consider that you wrote it in soft, and will be offended.

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                    Kudrin, Golodets, Nabiullina, Siluanov, Ulyukaev, Dvorkovich, Manturov, Medvedev, Livanov, Shuvalov, Chubais, Luzhkov and Baturina, Gorbachov are officials, former and current. Potanin, Fridman, Gref, Aleksashenko, Vekselberg, Sechin, Prokhorov, Gref, Abramovich, Lisin, Aven, Deripaska, Alekperov. Oh, I probably won't list. Type in the search engine "Russian Forbes" and the entire list will be highlighted. Then type "Government of the Russian Federation", there are no "random people" there either, remove the siloviki and get it.
                    1. vladimirZ
                      vladimirZ 19 June 2016 07: 42
                      +6
                      I will add a video to the topic under discussion, respected professor of MGIMO, economist V. Katasonov on the topic not of our "Government of the Russian Federation".

                      1. Talgat
                        Talgat 19 June 2016 10: 38
                        +14
                        the modern capitalist world system is "defective" - ​​even our Nazarbayev openly declared this

                        Printout of unsecured dollars, planting the whole world on the Credit Needle "- and then the device of artificial crises by stopping lending, the insane cult of consumption in the gold billion, while the whole world is starving and the planet's resources are depleted - the most offensive is wasted in vain

                        The USSR really showed that there is an alternative to the domination of the "world masons" leading the world to destruction

                        There is a fairer model - leading the world to prosperity and to the stars
                4. Azitral
                  Azitral 21 June 2016 11: 08
                  +2
                  Capitalism itself ends. And it will end first of all in these "centers" of yours. What will be replaced, where will the new centers of power be, is difficult to say. It is not a fact that the end of capitalism will be the end of humanity, that the new system will be more humane and more just, but capitalism is ending. The United States is frantically preparing for the transition to the new system, but whether it will succeed is not a fact. When you change the rules, you will have to work in different conditions to which they are adapted. Evolutionary experience shows that when conditions change, the fittest die first.
                5. models
                  models 10 August 2017 17: 45
                  0
                  Quote: Altona
                  Our capitalism is "peripheral", that is, we are not a capitalist center. This place is firmly assigned to the United States and Britain. They monopolized the right to be a mother country, the rest are “periphery,” that is, they are not a place of concentration of financial, technological and technological resources.

                  Japan, France and Germany are surprised by your post.
              2. Guardsman
                Guardsman 19 June 2016 08: 49
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                Bravo sectarians "Komunestichegokuda" you match the amers, they hate GDP and you echo them, but what to take with you, you have always speculated on the difficulties of the Motherland, as you were traders from politics, so they remained representatives of the sect of the communes
              3. gav6757
                gav6757 19 June 2016 13: 18
                +12
                It seems to me that this is characteristic of the party in power - a deception of voters!
            2. Altona
              Altona 18 June 2016 19: 18
              +37
              Part Four. Life after death or stability of a coma. RF as the antipode of the USSR.

              Today we have come to the point of no return. The country's economy was completely reborn. Of course, this is not only the evil will of external or internal forces, but also the result of full integration into the world global economic system, which itself is sick with financial dropsy. Money has become a convenient tool not only for lending to certain industries, but also a tool for speculation and the collapse of markets and economies of entire countries. Money is now akin to a cheat's card deck. The financial system will print so many of them that it can devalue gold, oil, someone's labor. The dismantling of the USSR, carried out according to Western patterns, required the monetization of money circulation, that is, the refusal of its own issue. To do this, they broke off commodity-cash and industrial-non-cash financing by introducing unified monetary financing and pegging the ruble to the mass of available foreign exchange reserves. In terms of legislation, there was no "protection of private property" and other bourgeois legal instruments in the USSR, so the laws on the protection of exports and offshore jurisdiction in order to protect exported capital were taken as a basis. This scheme was very beneficial for the Anglo-Saxons, since they also control the offshore companies. Therefore, in the Russian Federation there are still no normal bourgeois laws on the protection of property. This is partly beneficial for external players to accuse us of abuse. It is also beneficial for the security forces for pressing the business and taking it away. Thus, we have that part of the money still remains abroad as "honestly earned by back-breaking labor", although by and large it is part of the natural rent that the Abramovichs and Sechins steal from the Russians and which, oh, how much is needed to start the economy and solve social problems ... Therefore, the mantras about "deoffshorization" do not work. But export money is sacred and within the framework of the "Yeltsin-Act" signed by the GDP to preserve the consensus, that is, to preserve the previously stolen, this resource will not be touched. They will shake you and me like a pear. Naturally, such a predatory get-together requires ideology. This ideology was solemnly announced to us. This is "patriotism". This is such patriotism of "reconciliation with the White Guard past", patriotism with a taste of "French bread", patriotism of defending the Russian bourgeois from "damned Americans", with whom they still kiss passionately in the corridor, even though the Americans no longer want to kiss the "Russian barbarians." In fact, patriotism should be part of the preservation of its self-sufficiency and territory, and not as a tool for protecting the Russian bourgeois and his capital, which he still keeps with the Anglo-Saxons.
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 18 June 2016 20: 05
                +16
                Altona, is this a dissertation?
                It is written beautifully, pieces, you can just grab onto quotes. Bravo!
                1. Altona
                  Altona 18 June 2016 21: 27
                  +20
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Altona, is this a dissertation?
                  It is written beautifully, pieces, you can just grab onto quotes. Bravo!

                  -----------------
                  Yes, I have long wanted to write an article for you, but in the end I wrote it in the comments. If the administration is interested, then it can stitch all the pieces together and publish separately. It is a pity there were no critics, I thought they would criticize. But I remained objective, not embellishing anything, but also not defaming. I did not highlight part of the problems, because the commentary has alphanumeric frames, I was afraid to fall out of the format. Therefore, shorted out some things. If interested, I can paint some things. But what was written today was written offhand, without elaboration and editing. There are minor errors in the text due to flaws in my keyboard.
                  PS The role of national elites, the social camp and the SEF, relations with developing countries is not described. But you just need to gather your thoughts and describe it somehow.
                  1. avva2012
                    avva2012 18 June 2016 21: 49
                    +11
                    I would read with interest. In my opinion, it turns out very thoughtfully. Living syllable. About complex, simple language. I have not been given. I will wait for the article in full.
                    1. Altona
                      Altona 18 June 2016 22: 02
                      +21
                      Quote: avva2012
                      I would read with interest. In my opinion, it turns out very thoughtfully. Living syllable. About complex, simple language. I have not been given. I will wait for the article in full.

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                      I always try to make complex things visual and make associations so that the reader remembers how it was and how it looks now from the height of past years and some kind of comprehension. Therefore, I throw well-known images into the narrative and summarize the articles you have read, linking them into a single whole. In general, I make a "binding to the terrain". Incidentally, there I did not insert a significant addition to the thesis that "the worker was yesterday's peasant," and the peasantry is a petty-bourgeois class with all the habits of breaking out into the larger bourgeoisie. Three generations were not enough to get rid of this habit of farmstead thinking, and she still played in the collapse of the USSR and is now playing in the events in Ukraine. When smart gamblers take advantage of petty greed. "A greedy person does not need a knife, you show him a copper penny, and do with him what you want!"
                      1. avia1991
                        avia1991 19 June 2016 00: 44
                        +7
                        Quote: Altona
                        When petty greed is used by smart players.

                        Quote: Altona
                        Three generations were not enough to get rid of this habit of farm thinking

                        For some reason it seems to me that this habit was deliberately supported by "outside organizations". Moreover, to get rid of it required not only "several calendar generations", but also the education of its conscious rejection - that is, a purposeful state policy on this issue. And they didn’t take it seriously, at least after Stalin. Apparently, they considered it harmless and safe ..
                      2. Altona
                        Altona 19 June 2016 01: 03
                        +13
                        Quote: avia1991
                        For some reason it seems to me that this habit was deliberately supported by "outside organizations". Moreover, to get rid of it required not only "several calendar generations", but also the education of its conscious rejection - that is, a purposeful state policy on this issue. And they didn’t take it seriously, at least after Stalin. Apparently, they considered it harmless and safe ..

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                        Well, I wrote there that with the advent of Suslov, ideology ceased to be substantive and crushed. The problems of our time did not arise; changes in the world were interpreted in a small-town way. As a result, Khrushchev managed to get involved in a long confrontation with China, which Stalin made his outpost in Asia. And China safely fell into the hands of the United States. They pumped it with money and modern technology and destroyed most of their working class, transferring part of the production to China. That is, powerful trade unions and the labor movement immediately crippled. True, part of the trade unions was controlled by the mafia. Well, this is a separate issue.
                      3. your1970
                        your1970 19 June 2016 20: 52
                        +1
                        Quote: Altona
                        Three generations were not enough to get rid of this habit of farm thinking

                        For some reason, it seems to me that this habit was deliberately supported by "outside organizations" - in the 1960s ???? and then the Masons ??? repeat

                        In general, it is almost impossible to get rid of a petty owner from a person — which, in principle, was demonstrated by the USSR. Yes, there were a certain number of real communists who were silver-free, but there were relatively few of them .. The bulk wanted to eat tasty food and looked for connections / blat ...
                        Sweet word - COMMUNICATION, BLAT ...
                        Today's children do not understand them in principle (it is in that -SSSR understanding) that they know the modern significance almost from the cradle
                    2. PHANTOM-AS
                      PHANTOM-AS 20 June 2016 02: 33
                      +3
                      Quote: Altona
                      e. Three generations were not enough to get rid of this habit of farm thinking and it still played in the collapse of the USSR and now plays

                      I have long called the coup 91-93ggulak.
                  2. dkflbvbh
                    dkflbvbh 20 June 2016 13: 21
                    +1
                    I agree.
                    I want the same article.
                2. vovan50
                  vovan50 20 June 2016 09: 49
                  +1
                  Hope for the administration, but don’t be bad. So it is necessary to write with elaboration and editing. And I would like not only about the shortcomings of socialism, which are inevitable when building a new society, but also about how, if not avoided, then at least minimized. And how, in your opinion, the further development of the communist movement in Russia and other countries should go.
            3. Yars
              Yars 19 June 2016 17: 38
              +1
              Quote: Altona
              which Abramovich and Sechin steal from the Russians

              it’s clear about Abramovich, but how much has Sechin stole? On what offshore stores? And how is it stealing from a state-owned company?
              1. Altona
                Altona 19 June 2016 20: 24
                +6
                Quote: YARS
                it’s clear about Abramovich, but how much has Sechin stole? On what offshore stores? And how is it stealing from a state-owned company?

                --------------------
                Rosneft and Gazprom and other oil and gas companies have a whole bunch of non-core assets and subsidiaries. And it's not just football clubs. A chain of eateries and gas stations, for example. Where are the accounts of such firms open? There are projects of our own debit and refueling cards, insurance companies, pension funds, and others. Management wages are questionable. I do not think that a Russian top manager will be invited to a Western company, there are enough of their own. Moreover, this level of business is associated with geopolitics. Therefore, the words of Putin that it is necessary "to pay them at the world level," and they are paid even more than the world level, cause great doubts in me.
            4. puffnutiy
              puffnutiy 21 June 2016 14: 58
              0
              It is not the first year they have been saying and writing that we have either come to the point of no return, the roofing felts have already passed it. Therefore, I wonder how exactly do you see this point of no return? And what is behind her? If the point of no return is passed, what awaits us?
          2. xtur
            xtur 18 June 2016 19: 45
            -8
            It is pointless to argue about anything, it is noticeable in the first few posts that neither the author nor the others have ever read Lenin and Marx.

            That is, the criticism of the reality and prospects of the country is given very reasonable, but a positive alternative, i.e. communism / socialism is given utopian. From the remarks, it is noticeable that the author even now does not imagine the political economy of capitalism, respectively, and does not imagine what the political economy of socialism should be.
            It is clear that the article is not a manifesto, but the article shows a level of ownership of the topic as an alternative to existing problems
            1. Altona
              Altona 18 June 2016 20: 08
              +15
              Quote: xtur
              That is, the criticism of the reality and prospects of the country is given very reasonable, but a positive alternative, i.e. communism / socialism is given utopian. From the remarks, it is noticeable that the author even now does not imagine the political economy of capitalism, respectively, and does not imagine what the political economy of socialism should be.
              It is clear that the article is not a manifesto, but the article shows a level of ownership of the topic as an alternative to existing problems

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              The author of the article, as I understand it, is not yet concerned about the construction of communism in its purest form. The issue so far is the redistribution of income in favor of the whole society and the development of Russia within the framework of at least a transitional, but fairer model. We actually experienced primary socialism, that is, housing, food, work and cinema. The same primary socialism is now in Europe, in the form of welfare and social housing. We have abandoned such socialism, both below and above. Upstairs, it’s clear why, below, we thought we could have something more. Well, something more yes, many have houses and cars, fashionable clothes. But by and large, income difficulties also appeared in depressed regions.
              1. xtur
                xtur 18 June 2016 22: 59
                +4
                I categorically disagree with your assertions that the USSR was a state corporation or megacorporation (there is a simple and important distinguishing feature - in corporations everything is aimed at maximizing profits, but in the USSR it was categorically not so), and with the fact that all religions appeared on West.

                So, we list in order the famous world religions:
                1) Hinduism
                2) Buddhism
                3) Taoism
                4) Judaism
                5) Christianity
                6) Islam

                that is, none of the world religions in the West just appeared.
                1. xtur
                  xtur 18 June 2016 23: 08
                  +6
                  and yet yes, about the primary sources

                  Lenin:
                  1) "What to do?"
                  2) "One step forward, two steps back"
                  3) "Two tactics of S.-D in the democratic revolution"
                  4) "Imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism"
                  5) "Materialism and empirio-criticism"
                  6) "On the slogan of the United States of Europe"

                  Marx - well, at least "Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844."

                  Well, for contrast, it is necessary to compare all this with the works of A. Zinoviev - the only author who made very serious and deep, albeit imperfect works about the Soviet system ... well, at least "Communism as Reality"
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 18 June 2016 23: 54
                    +4
                    Quote: xtur
                    Lenin:
                    1) "What to do?"
                    2) "One step forward, two steps back"
                    3) "Two tactics of S.-D in the democratic revolution"
                    4) "Imperialism as the highest stage of capitalism"
                    5) "Materialism and empirio-criticism"
                    6) "On the slogan of the United States of Europe"

                    Marx - well, at least "Economic and Philosophical Manuscripts of 1844."

                    Well, for contrast, it is necessary to compare all this with the works of A. Zinoviev - the only author who made very serious and deep, albeit imperfect works about the Soviet system ... well, at least "Communism as Reality"

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                    Well, in fact, everything is correct. You have forgotten to heaps Lenin's State and Revolution and Stalin's collected works.
                    PS I wrote a "debriefing" of the USSR, not an analysis of the ideology of Marxism.
                    1. xtur
                      xtur 19 June 2016 12: 33
                      +3
                      > You forgot to heap Lenin's "State and revolution" and Stalin's collected works.

                      after reading the list of works that I proposed, you understand that it contains all of Lenin’s policies and theory on building the country and its structure. And also you understand that in theory Stalin did not supplement it with anything - because:

                      1) He was a practitioner of consciousness
                      2) theoretical language to create political economy of socialism, the only open part of the legacy of Marx and Lenin, then was not yet, although in practice, in the USSR under Stalin, everything was realized.

                      And yes - from the above list it becomes completely obvious that the state system of the USSR does not work without ideology / philosophy, that philosophy is a consciously embedded basis in the project of the Soviet state.
                    2. xtur
                      xtur 19 June 2016 12: 55
                      0
                      > the theoretical language for creating the political economy of socialism, the only open part of the legacy of Marx and Lenin, was not yet there, although in practice, in the USSR under Stalin, everything was realized.

                      I will hint / supplement that a theoretical language suitable for describing Soviet society and the Soviet economy should be essentially its own language nonequilibrium systems. And the political economy of capitalism, like economics, are equilibrium models.

                      Language nonequilibrium systems in the field of social science it theory of civilizations, in the form in which Eisenstadt formulated it

                      All these languages ​​developed only in the second half of the 20th century.
                    3. Altona
                      Altona 19 June 2016 20: 59
                      +1
                      Quote: xtur
                      And yes - from the above list it becomes completely obvious that the state system of the USSR does not work without ideology / philosophy, that philosophy is a consciously embedded basis in the project of the Soviet state.

                      ------------------
                      My friend, no state works without ideology and philosophy. It simply says that there is no "ideology". In fact, it exists and is covered from above with colored rags of "democracy, freedom of speech, humanism, human rights, environmental protection." But when necessary, she crawls out of this rag and shows her grin all over her mouth.
                2. Guardsman
                  Guardsman 19 June 2016 08: 56
                  -7
                  For me, all isms look the same, they need to be in friendship, as now against GDP, the time will come to gnaw like dogs - the law on "Unity and the struggle of opposites" has not yet been refuted
              2. Altona
                Altona 18 June 2016 23: 52
                +11
                Quote: xtur
                I categorically disagree with your assertions that the USSR was a state corporation or megacorporation (there is a simple and important distinguishing feature - in corporations everything is aimed at maximizing profits, but in the USSR it was categorically not so), and with the fact that all religions appeared on West.

                So, we list in order the famous world religions:
                1) Hinduism
                2) Buddhism
                3) Taoism
                4) Judaism
                5) Christianity
                6) Islam

                that is, none of the world religions in the West just appeared.

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                1) The USSR was a super-corporation and died as a super-corporation, not as an empire. Due to the clogging of economic vessels and "management betrayal", that is, violations of the corporation's business ethics. The USSR used profit maximization, you just did not notice it, but I did. This consisted in the absence of advertising costs, extensive processing of secondary raw materials. Moreover, this raw material was collected by the hands of schoolchildren, that is, for nothing. The USSR did not spend money on the complex packaging that clogs our garbage cans today. Rough recycled wrapping paper was used. Isn't this "cost minimization"? Yes, even the notorious jam pie. The jam was made from bad apples so that they would not disappear. And you ate. The USSR did not spend on the construction of complex storage facilities, preferring to rot away part of the crop, by the way not genetically modified. Even centralized planning is also cost optimization. So everything is logical.
                2) As for religions. Christianity and Islam, which you called Islam, originated in the bowels of the decaying Roman Empire. And the descendants of Rome made excellent use of these religious preparations. The British created Wahhabism, leaving the Middle East in the 20th century. The United States spawned a whole bunch of totalitarian sect Mormons, Adventists, Jehovah's Witnesses, Moon Church, Baptists, etc. Modern PR technology updates the face of religion, so everything is logical.
                1. xtur
                  xtur 19 June 2016 12: 44
                  +1
                  > 1) the USSR was a super-corporation and died as a super-corporation, not as an empire.

                  Even Aristotle understood the difference between economics and chrematistics - one of them was aimed at providing normal living needs of the community, and the second was aimed at maximizing profits.
                  Economical housekeeping does not mean striving for maximum profit
                  2) As for religions.

                  Religious studies is a huge discipline that begins with M. Weber, who introduced a term such as charisma into sociology to explain the influence of religious leaders on people, and ends with Menem, E.A. Torchinov, and M. Eliade.

                  Christianity is what Christ created, and in this part what he created has nothing to do with the West. By the way, only a few small pieces are known from the biography of Christ - no one can ever prove that his teaching was formed not in Iran / China / India, but in Israel / Rome / Egypt.

                  But the active participation of the eastern sages / magicians is known.

                  With this level of knowledge of religions, you obviously should not discuss them - even rejecting the opponent’s point of view requires his knowledge
                  1. Altona
                    Altona 19 June 2016 20: 34
                    +7
                    Quote: xtur
                    With this level of knowledge of religions, you obviously should not discuss them - even rejecting the opponent’s point of view requires his knowledge

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                    For the second day, I receive questions in different directions. I am not a journalist. I wrote comments on my own feelings about what and how happened in the late USSR and is happening now. Why do I need knowledge of religion if mountains of articles have been written about modern technologies of totalitarian sects and reels of documentaries have been shot? I do not discuss with anyone about religion, theology and theology. Stalin was a theologian by education, he probably had a better idea of ​​some things in this area. Someone Razmik72 demands from me knowledge of the theory of the Armenian ideologist of the Armenian statehood Garegin Nzhdeh, calling him a simple word "nationalist". You require knowledge of religion. Another comrade demands from me knowledge of the theory of electromagnetic fields. Another asked to explain the law of large numbers. Why do you need all this from me? If you don’t want to, don’t read, I don’t ask for reviews and fees. hi
                  2. ILDM1986
                    ILDM1986 20 June 2016 04: 20
                    +2
                    uh no, so just don't get off! Nuka quickly explained the validity of multiverse theory from the point of view of communist philosophy!
                    ps thanks for the interesting comments, it was more interesting to read than the article good
                2. Altona
                  Altona 19 June 2016 20: 43
                  +2
                  Quote: xtur
                  Economical housekeeping does not mean striving for maximum profit

                  ----------------------
                  My friend, your scholastic twists resemble the movement of the stubborn Karabakh donkey. You do not compare the national economy of the USSR with the Baku hut in Shikhovo. In the USSR there was a concept of profit and how to get it, there were even planned tasks for saving resources, labor and material. What are you trying to slip a spherical horse to me? You have created nothing good except brandy. Our driver in a car repair canteen cursed at your ERAZik with the last words and cried like a child when he was given a new UAZ loaf, this is in the mid-1990s.
          3. your1970
            your1970 19 June 2016 21: 15
            +1
            “So far, we are talking about the redistribution of income in favor of the whole society and the development of Russia within the framework of at least a transitional, but more equitable model.” - the bulk of the 404 population in 2014 was confident on the Maidan - that Yanukovych's loaf would be JUST distributed throughout the country ...
            Then the loaf went away somewhere ..
            Then there was an anecdote about the fact that "Yanukovych has been gone for a long time, but it feels like he was stealing the budget and is stealing"

            There are NO other ways of mass redistribution of property (the true meaning of the words "about the redistribution of income") - except for revolutionary ones. It has been proven many times.

            Attempts to carry out nationalization peacefully — throughout the capitalist world in the 20th century usually led to a complete ass in this industry / enterprise.
            1. Altona
              Altona 20 June 2016 10: 31
              +1
              Quote: your1970
              “So far, we are talking about the redistribution of income in favor of the whole society and the development of Russia within the framework of at least a transitional, but more equitable model.” - the bulk of the 404 population in 2014 was confident on the Maidan - that Yanukovych's loaf would be JUST distributed throughout the country ...
              Then the loaf went away somewhere ..
              Then there was an anecdote about the fact that "Yanukovych has been gone for a long time, but it feels like he was stealing the budget and is stealing"

              ----------------------------
              Well, not so narrowly it is necessary to understand "redistribution of income" as an increase in social benefits and pensions. You can also expand the availability of free higher education and improve healthcare, create cheap loans for small businesses, and create a market for affordable housing.
              1. your1970
                your1970 20 June 2016 22: 36
                0
                Altona
                "Well, not so narrowly it is necessary to understand" income redistribution "as an increase in social benefits and pensions.
                expand access to free higher education
                improve healthcare
                create cheap loans for small businesses,
                create an affordable housing market. "
                I can directly point-by-point in all exactly 1 (ONE !!!) flaw-CORRUPTION !!! And now it will neither expand, improve nor create. Attempts to defeat it will lead to its even greater growth. In China, they are statistically shot 300 !!! people a day - does not help
  2. your1970
    your1970 19 June 2016 20: 41
    0
    "Gaps in demography began to interfere due to chronic underfunding of the Russian Non-Black Earth Region and the Middle Zone. Hence, in general, our sores, including the current ones." -Yes, it's not about underfunding - we left the area for the war 4600, and 1300 returned.
    Men were stupidly not enough for all women, and single women did not give birth to more than 1-2 children (a whole complex - no money, no father, strength, housing (throughout the European part of the USSR), female health - "I am a horse, I am a bull. and a woman and a man "(you can't compose this from a good life)).
    And the consequences of this demographic failure, we are now eating a big spoon ....
    1. Altona
      Altona 19 June 2016 20: 50
      +2
      Quote: your1970
      "Gaps in demography began to interfere due to chronic underfunding of the Russian Non-Black Earth Region and the Middle Zone. Hence, in general, our sores, including the current ones." -Yes, it's not about underfunding - we left the area for the war 4600, and 1300 returned.
      Men were stupidly not enough for all women, and single women did not give birth to more than 1-2 children (a whole complex - no money, no father, strength, housing (throughout the European part of the USSR), female health - "I am a horse, I am a bull. and a woman and a man "(you can't compose this from a good life)).
      And the consequences of this demographic failure, we are now eating a big spoon ....

      ------------------------------
      And underfunding and demographic failure together. There was not enough housing, bad roads, low wages, all together. The same Baltic states ate meat and sour cream from the belly, and Kazan kissed cyanotic chickens and bull ribs. Baku was bursting with goods in 1988 - rare books, vodka, good clothes, everything was there, and the Azerbaijanis were looking for an opportunity to buy "Volga's car".
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 18 June 2016 14: 06
    +31
    To complete the picture of capitalism, let me give you an example. I'll tell you the story of fleas on the back of a dog. Inspired by the movie "Crocodile Dundee", or rather one scene. I will also mention it. An American journalist comes to the famous Australian crocodile hunter, whose name is "Dundee", to make a report about how he miraculously managed to escape from the tooth of a predatory animal. During the conversation, among other things, the journalist asks about how this "Dundee" relates to the land reform, who should own this land, local Indians, or any capitalist who bought it from the state. Then "Dundee" answered: "Look at that mountain (pointing to the side where in the distance a high mountain with a snow cap rises above the steppe), she saw many people, many generations, peoples. It is not she who belongs to us, but we belong to her."
    So we, people on Earth, are like fleas on the back of a dog. If we bring inconvenience, for example, "to suck blood more than necessary" (some call oil - the blood of the Earth) she, the Earth, can also "scratch with her paw" or "dive into the water" smile
    Now we can look at capitalism and communism from this point of view. All the resources of the Planet or a single country - water, oil, timber, ores, elements cannot, according to any "fair" definition, belong to one person or a certain group of people, except for everyone who is there, simply because they had no relationship to the birth of this good, just as it was not the flea that created the dog, but the skin and fleas that are parasites appeared on it.
    The "dog" does not care what groups the "fleas" are divided into, red or white or green. The main thing is that there are not enough of them. And it is important for "fleas" whether the whole skin belongs to all fleas and everyone can suck wherever he wants, or only one or several "fleas" can suck on tasty places and the rest get dirty paws and then in turn and then on certain days. So whatever one may say, no matter how every "flea" dreamed of sucking more than others, capitalism in the end will only lead to the fact that the "dog's skin" begins to "shed" from insatiable consumption and "lack of blood" and everyone will come a polar fox, then no flea can suck more than normal. smile
    1. sabakina
      sabakina 18 June 2016 14: 48
      +7
      They say that the crocodile Dundee has Russian roots ...
    2. olimpiada15
      olimpiada15 18 June 2016 23: 11
      +12
      Max_Bauder - my applause. The given example easily and simply and clearly reveals the essence of the problem facing humanity in general and our country as well.
      The article caused active responses. Great comment by Alton.
      Some, as always, have demonstrated a deep knowledge of the propaganda cliche on the scoop. Others tried to convince of the lack of alternative economic model.
      On my own I want to add about the queues. Do you know why they are not there now? Because this type of people was put in front of the TV to watch soap shows. Then they deliberately sowed panic, the TV worked only in the evening, so they gathered in crowds in front of the store, at the same time sweeping everything that was there from the shelves, since the prices were low. And everything needed was there, but it was not calculated on the rush demand, therefore, people returning from the shift saw only empty counters. For the absolute majority, this did not create a special problem, people dined in the canteens at the enterprise, and all that remained was to cook dinner, the children returned well-fed from kindergartens. And you can remember the proverb, dinner is not needed, it would be good lunch. Then in canteens a portion of soup was 0,5 liters, many men took two main courses, plus pastries for tea. People weren't starving. But the sediment, as well as the photos of empty stalls, were preserved for the propaganda of the "horrors of the scoop", obviously by those who, preparing to become the owners of the country's industries and wealth, prepared arguments for persuasion. Moscow suffered; food supplies were simply cut off there in order to provoke a protest. The main role in razderbanivanie country belonged to the departments located in the capital and here all the methods were good, they were the future masters of the country and to become them they were ready for anything.
      1. vovan50
        vovan50 20 June 2016 10: 00
        0
        Well, right, there were lines, and then they were gone. What began to produce more? No, they just raised the prices to those that were at the bazaar, or even higher. There were no longer any queues, while the per capita consumption of meat, milk, and other products fell sharply.
      2. vovan50
        vovan50 20 June 2016 10: 00
        0
        Well, right, there were lines, and then they were gone. What began to produce more? No, they just raised the prices to those that were at the bazaar, or even higher. There were no longer any queues, while the per capita consumption of meat, milk, and other products fell sharply.
  • st25310
    st25310 18 June 2016 14: 54
    +1
    You can live well under communism and capitalism (there are examples of this) and with other systems. It all depends on those who build it ...
    1. SRC P-15
      SRC P-15 18 June 2016 14: 57
      +10
      Listen to a smart person: smile
    2. Verdun
      Verdun 18 June 2016 15: 32
      +9
      Quote: st25310
      You can live well under communism and capitalism (there are examples of this) and with other systems. It all depends on those who build it ...

      You simply lose sight of the fact that in many countries, under the influence of trade unions and various political parties, capitalism is gradually transforming into socialism.
      1. atalef
        atalef 18 June 2016 16: 03
        -5
        Quote: Verdun
        You simply lose sight of the fact that in many countries, under the influence of trade unions and various political parties, capitalism is gradually transforming into socialism.

        So they only build socialism? wink
        What do you say, and how much is left for developed socialism built in the USSR?
      2. Ivan Ivanych
        Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 17: 18
        +12
        You simply lose sight of the fact that in many countries, under the influence of trade unions and various political parties, capitalism is gradually transforming into socialism.

        Information is out of date. For a long time, nothing has been transformed)))
      3. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 18 June 2016 23: 24
        +8
        Quote: Verdun

        You simply lose sight of the fact that in many countries, under the influence of trade unions and various political parties, capitalism is gradually transforming into socialism.

        And there is. The confrontation between the two systems was useful for the peoples - the capitalists were forced to reckon with the interests of the people, as long as the USSR existed, so that their property was not nationalized following the example of Russia. Because they frantically tried to crush the USSR.
  • Verdun
    Verdun 18 June 2016 15: 17
    +36
    Quote: dvina71
    there was never any ommunism in the USSR. Except for the "military" one.
    Under Stalin, there was socialism .. or very close to this.
    Later - state capitalism.

    What a mess in people's heads! Yes, there was no communism in the USSR, but there was socialism. It was not, because for the transition to communism, first of all, it is necessary to educate a new person with a changed psychology. This requires not dozens as some enthusiasts thought, but probably hundreds of years. But that is precisely why it is erroneous to consider the seventy-year experience of building communism in the USSR unsuccessful. From the point of view of history, 70 years is even less than a moment by which it is impossible to judge the results. Those who talk about state monopoly and capitalism in the USSR completely ignore the fact that private cooperation developed in the country along with planned state production. Perhaps not as good as we would like. However, I believe that if the collective farmers who went on an expedition to the city to pick up the sausage knew what would turn out to be, they would plow like damned to avoid the usual course of events. As for the Soviet elite, I can note the following. In the USSR, a simple locksmith, who was a member of the party, could call the presumptuous director of the plant along the party line. This is not to say that such a mechanism was perfect, but it existed. What now? I was born, raised and lived in Soviet times. And I do not idealize a country that has gone into the past. But compared with the current state of things, those shortcomings are a mere trifle. At least for the reason that in that great country, Russians and Ukrainians, Georgians and citizens of the Baltic republics could well get along. And communism ... I think that it will still be. Although it will not be tomorrow and it will begin, it is quite possible that it will no longer be from Russia.
    1. atalef
      atalef 18 June 2016 15: 38
      .
      Quote: Verdun
      from the point of view of the history of 70 years, this is even less than a moment by which it is impossible to judge the results.

      You can and how. Not a single country following the path of socialism was viable.
      Niodna. And there were a lot of them, while they went through all the stages almost identically and almost equally died in agony.
      --- but at the same time, the bulk of the people in this article prove that socialism is viable.
      Capitalization has existed for several hundred years, developed a little less - it succeeds, develops, gives its citizens as social. protection, as well as good conditions for self-realization, education, healthcare.
      But at the same time - no one is going to accept this fact as a fact? Why?
      Why no one sees the obvious (time-proved things) - capitalism is a more viable and socially reliable formation than socialism and the more ephemeral communism - which no one has ever seen.
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 18 June 2016 15: 46
        +29
        Quote: atalef
        You can and how. Not a single country following the path of socialism was viable.

        When you are in a minority and opponents of the idea of ​​socialism are constantly trying to destroy you at any cost, it is difficult to talk about viability. But the fact that none of the capitalist countries, unlike the USSR, could resist Nazi Germany, is also a fact. But if someone believes that on the fields of the Great Patriotic War Soviet citizens fought for the interests of the oligarchs and for the "bright future" we live in today, it is pointless to argue with such people, because this is a clinic. And then, what is meant by vitality. For those who need private yachts and jacuzzis, capitalism seems more viable. And for those for whom good education and health of the nation, space exploration, normal interethnic relations are more important - those, I believe, will vote for socialism and communism.
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 June 2016 16: 15
          .
          Quote: Verdun
          When you are in the minority and opponents of the idea of ​​socialism are constantly trying to destroy you at any cost,

          How can one destroy the stronger and the development of capitalism?
          Quote: Verdun
          But the fact that not one of the capitalist countries, unlike the USSR, was able to confront fascist Germany, is also a fact.

          It’s already enough to blame the Great Patriotic War on the Great Patriotic War for the captain countries that fought in the Great Patriotic War and did not fight.
          By the way, as well as the countries that went through social services. the way
          WWII was 70 years ago. Enough time to rebuild 10 times
          Quote: Verdun
          But if someone believes that on the fields of the Great Patriotic War Soviet citizens fought for the interests of the oligarchs and for the "bright future" we live in today, it is pointless to argue with such people, because this is a clinic.

          And for whose interests did the British, Americans and a dozen other countries of the anti-Hitler coalition fight?
          Their contribution to the victory was less, but they also fought and went to death.
          Quote: Verdun
          For those who need personal yachts and a jacuzzi, capitalism seems to be more viable.

          Jacuzzi - yes, I wouldn’t refuse a yacht, but what's wrong with that?
          Quote: Verdun
          And for those who value the good education and health of the nation, space exploration, I believe they will vote for socialism and communism.

          And in the cap countries this of course is nothing. laughing
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 16: 23
            +25
            Quote: atalef
            It’s already enough to blame the Great Patriotic War on the Great Patriotic War for the captain countries that fought in the Great Patriotic War and did not fight.

            Why so? You can already deny the Holocaust? Has enough time passed?
            Quote: atalef
            WWII was 70 years ago. Enough time to rebuild 10 times

            And we, unlike you, did not pay money.
            Quote: atalef
            And for whose interests the British fought, the Americans

            Now let's calculate their losses and who destroyed how many divisions. They fought for the loot in the first place.
            1. Yars
              Yars 19 June 2016 17: 47
              +6
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              Quote: atalef
              It’s already enough to blame the Great Patriotic War on the Great Patriotic War for the captain countries that fought in the Great Patriotic War and did not fight.

              Why so? You can already deny the Holocaust? Has enough time passed?
              Quote: atalef
              WWII was 70 years ago. Enough time to rebuild 10 times

              And we, unlike you, did not pay money.
              Quote: atalef
              And for whose interests the British fought, the Americans

              Now let's calculate their losses and who destroyed how many divisions. They fought for the loot in the first place.

              Americans and British at the beginning fed Hitler’s grown-up and then they supposedly came to fight against him when it became clear that the USSR would take Germany! Why did they not open their front against Hitler in 1941 ??? !!!!!!!!
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 18 June 2016 20: 16
            +13
            Quote: atalef
            How can one destroy the stronger and the development of capitalism?

            I believe that you are a former soldier from the "bat", and before that in Russia in the special forces. You should know that a reconnaissance group and a sabotage group are doomed to perish if there is a traitor in the headquarters. Here in the headquarters of the USSR, two traitors turned out to be - Gorbachev and Andropov, who supported Gorbachev and did not put him in prison when he repeatedly in America escaped the KGB's surveillance of major Soviet figures. Don't pretend to be naive.
            1. atalef
              atalef 18 June 2016 20: 30
              .
              Quote: Алексей_К
              I believe that you are a former soldier from the "bat", and before that in Russia in the special forces

              Alexey hi I'm an ordinary rear rat laughing
              Quote: Алексей_К
              You should know that a reconnaissance group and a sabotage group are doomed to death if there is a traitor in the headquarters. Here at the headquarters of the USSR two traitors appeared - Gorbachev and Andropov

              Alexei, you probably forget that socialism was built not only in the USSR, but in the countries of the social camp and
              and in the soc. orientation, namely

              soc. camps
              Union of Soviet Socialist Republics (USSR) 1922-1991 People's Socialist Republic of Albania (NSRA) 1946-1992 People's Republic of Bulgaria (NRB) 1946-1990
              Hungarian People's Republic (Hungary) 1949-1989
              German Democratic Republic (GDR) 1949-1990
              Mongolian People's Republic (MPR) 1924-1992
              People's Republic of Poland (Poland) 1952-1989
              Socialist Republic of Romania (СРР) 1947-1989
              Czechoslovak Socialist Republic (Czechoslovakia) 1960-1990
              Socialist Federal Republic of Yugoslavia (SFRY) 1 People's Republic of China (PRC)
              The Socialist Republic of Vietnam (SRV)
              The Democratic People's Republic of Korea (DPRK)
              Republic of Cuba (RK)
              Lao People's Democratic Republic
              then
              The first group of countries with a "consistent" socialist orientation included those that had Marxist-Leninist ruling parties: Angola, Afghanistan, People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, People's Republic of Kampuchea, People's Republic of Congo, Mozambique, Nicaragua, Somalia (until 1977), Ethiopia.
              To countries that adhered to non-Marxist theories of socialism, As a result, after an inter-party discussion, the compromise term “countries moving along a non-capitalist path of development” was established by the 1980 years. Among such countries are Algeria, Bangladesh, Benin, Burma (Myanmar), Burkina Faso, Guyana, Ghana (under Nkrumah), Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Grenada, Egypt (under Nasser and early Sadat), Indonesia (under Sukarno), Iraq (before the beginning of the 1980's), Cape Verde, Libya, Madagascar, Mali, Sao Tome and Principe, Seychelles, Syria, Tanzania, Chile (under Allende), Zimbabwe.

              Countries such as Zambia, Tunisia, Suriname, Sudan, Senegal, Mauritania, the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka, proclaiming national models of socialism, but oriented to the West, or countries in which elements of socialism are enshrined in constitutions like India and Portugal, as well as The democratic Kampuchea of ​​“agrarian socialism” of the Khmer Rouge regime, where the ideas of communism were brought to the point of absurdity, were not ranked among the countries of socialist orientation in the USSR.

              well, and name among all these countries at least one successful, surviving and showing an example of socialism. Or are traitors everywhere sitting?
              And I 100% agree with you and I will not

              Quote: Алексей_К
              Do not pretend to be naive.

              with respect hi
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 20: 55
                +16
                Quote: atalef
                Well, name among all these countries at least one successful

                Dear, you have birth-dash-death dates there. So, the dates of death are roughly the same. At first they dumped the USSR, and it’s not difficult to change the regime in all kinds of Albanians.
              2. gray
                gray 19 June 2016 12: 11
                +1
                Socialist Republic of Vietnam
        2. RUSS
          RUSS 18 June 2016 16: 28
          -1
          Quote: Verdun
          When you are in the minority and opponents of the idea of ​​socialism are constantly trying to destroy you at any cost, it is difficult to talk about vitality.

          Not convincing and not true.
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        5. RUSS
          RUSS 18 June 2016 16: 37
          -7
          Quote: Verdun
          When you are in the minority and opponents of the idea of ​​socialism are constantly trying to destroy you at any cost, it is difficult to talk about vitality.

          Where is the minority? Almost half of the World was developing "socialism" and everyone was blown away!
          1. Verdun
            Verdun 18 June 2016 16: 51
            +10
            Quote: RUSS
            Almost half of the World was developing "socialism" and everyone was blown away!

            Eurasia is certainly a large continent, but even if we imagine socialism throughout its territory, taking into account Africa, the Americas and Australia, half the world does not work. Although I do not exclude a situation where someone will argue that my geography is incorrect, communist.)) And, by the way, about non-viability. But what about China? Or do you think he was blown away too?
            1. RUSS
              RUSS 18 June 2016 17: 30
              -5
              Quote: Verdun
              But what about China? Or do you think he was blown away too?

              In China, the very idea of ​​communism was blown away, now there is capitalism under the supervision of the CCP, just like in Vietnam.
              1. Verdun
                Verdun 18 June 2016 17: 58
                +11
                Quote: RUSS
                now there is capitalism under the supervision of the CCP

                Yeah, and in the USA - communism, under the supervision of the Democratic and Republican parties. laughing
                1. andrew42
                  andrew42 19 June 2016 16: 21
                  -1
                  Not funny. RUSS correctly formulated, although only in the context of economic relations.
              2. andrew42
                andrew42 19 June 2016 16: 20
                0
                I confirm. "Capitalism under the supervision of the CCP" is very succinctly worded. He lived there for 3 years, all the everyday "little things" from the life of a Chinese "man in the street" prove it. But this is if we consider a purely economic system. If we take a broader view (the political and economic model), we get "veiled National Socialism", with analogs of industrial magnates of the 3rd Reich and "Red Emperor" instead of the Fuhrer.
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            3. RUSS
              RUSS 18 June 2016 17: 36
              -4
              Quote: Verdun
              Eurasia is certainly a large continent, but even if we imagine socialism throughout its territory, taking into account Africa, the Americas and Australia, half the world does not work.

              The states marked in red at different times openly collaborated with the USSR, embarked on the "socialist path of development" are highlighted with orange borders.
              1. Verdun
                Verdun 18 June 2016 17: 51
                +11
                Quote: RUSS
                embarked on the "socialist path of development" are highlighted by orange borders.
                You only in India, with its caste system, do not tell that she once chose the socialist path of development. Kshatriyas still do not understand, Sikhs shrug, and Brahmins can simply kill. And, excuse me, I just can’t make out who on the Arabian Peninsula chose the socialist path of development? Apparently, Iraq and Jordan are labeled. Have you got a mouse flinching in your hand?))
                1. RUSS
                  RUSS 18 June 2016 18: 09
                  0
                  Quote: Verdun
                  who on the Arabian Peninsula chose the socialist path of development?

                  People's Democratic Republic of Yemenremember this one?
                  1. Verdun
                    Verdun 18 June 2016 20: 10
                    +3
                    Quote: RUSS
                    People's Democratic Republic of Yemen, remember this?

                    Actually, I asked about the north of the Arabian Peninsula.
          2. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 17: 08
            +2
            And the second half of the world worked against the country alone. Unfortunately, we lost, and you would now prove with foam in your mouth that capitalism is not wealthy and that all countries are socialist, and America’s problems are the work of America itself
            1. Ivan Ivanych
              Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 17: 26
              0
              Unfortunately, we lost, and you would have proved with foam at the mouth that capitalism is not wealthy and that all countries are socialist, and America’s problems ....

              I don’t know who you lost. I think the most interesting is yet to come)))
              1. avia1991
                avia1991 19 June 2016 02: 38
                +2
                Quote: Ivan Ivanovich
                I don’t know who you lost.

                Poking in a decent society is not accepted, starley. Especially, not knowing either the interlocutor or his views.
      2. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 15: 49
        +16
        Quote: atalef
        Not a single country following the path of socialism was viable.

        Tell the Cubans that all their lives under sanctions live
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 June 2016 16: 17
          .
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Quote: atalef
          Not a single country following the path of socialism was viable.

          Tell the Cubans that all their lives under sanctions live

          Do not tell tales, and under what sanctions do they live? From one country in the world?
          If you live in a house on 200 apartments and only one neighbor does not talk to you - is it sanctions and blockade?
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 16: 28
            +8
            Quote: atalef
            Do not tell tales, and under what sanctions do they live? From one country in the world? If you live in a house with 200 apartments and only one neighbor does not talk to you, is it sanctions and blockade?

            Yes, if this neighbor is my boss and charges me a salary. Is the analogy clear?
            1. atalef
              atalef 18 June 2016 16: 41
              .
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              Yes, if this neighbor is my boss and charges me a salary. Is the analogy clear?

              no, it’s not clear.
              Does America pay Cuba? belay
              USSR did not help Cuba?
              Latin America did not trade with Cuba 7 Europe the same no * - do not write nonsense. Problems (economic) of Cuba because of Cuba itself.
              A month ago, half of the department traveled to Cuba for 2 weeks - they talked about an economic miracle.
              USSR end of 80-x
              1. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 16: 59
                +16
                Quote: atalef
                Does America pay Cuba?

                The Americans control the global financial system and if someone needs to shut off oxygen - the know-how. French banks grunted once and all. They even went to the loss of reputation with the Mistrals. And Cuba’s stepping on the throat is not difficult at all.
                Quote: atalef
                USSR did not help Cuba?

                That's when he helped, then everything was fine.
                Quote: atalef
                Latin America did not trade with Cuba 7 Europe is not the same * - do not write nonsense.

                Latin America is yes. And we have fully experienced the economic independence of Europe.
                A month ago, half of the department traveled to Cuba for 2 weeks - they talked about an economic miracle.

                Dear, there are only 11 Lyamas on the market. For there to be a "miracle" there must be a socialist camp.
                By the way, Vietnam is also holding on. But you’ll kill everything that you can’t buy and sell
                1. atalef
                  atalef 18 June 2016 17: 07
                  -4
                  Quote: Corporal Valera
                  The Americans control the global financial system and if someone needs to shut off oxygen - the know-how. French banks grunted once and all. They even went to the loss of reputation with the Mistrals. And Cuba’s stepping on the throat is not difficult at all.

                  is it possible with facts? By the way, where did 30 billion debts from Russia / the USSR come from?
                  Quote: Corporal Valera
                  That's when he helped, then everything was fine.

                  laughing
                  Quote: Corporal Valera
                  Latin America is yes. And we have fully experienced the economic independence of Europe.

                  In 2009, Cuba's stock trading fell by 36%, mainly due to a sharp decline in imports (30%). In 2009, Cuba traded in 19 791 100 000 US dollars, of which 52% of Latin American countries. Exports rose to 10 434 million US dollars, while imports fell to 9285 million US dollars. The main trading partner remains Venezuela. In second place is China. Spain is still third after Canada. The main destination countries for Cuban exports in 2009 are Canada and China

                  read and do not write nonsense.
                  http://finance-romance.ru/cz/sti/kuba-zahranicni-obchod-zeme/6/1000788/
                  1. Corporal Valera
                    Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 20: 13
                    +4
                    Quote: atalef
                    is it possible with facts?

                    Well, here you are.
                    Quote: atalef
                    and where did you get 30 billion debts from Russia / USSR Cuba alone?

                    First you name the debt yourself, otherwise you and the interest here are plus plus, which is the largest part. In general, here for this
                    US Embargo and Sanctions against Cuba

                    Quote: atalef
                    read and do not write nonsense.

                    Well, let's start praying. How to understand the phrase
                    In 2009, Cuba's stock trading fell
                    What is meant? Is this a very prestigious publication? What exchanges do you mean? And in which countries are they located?

                    Quote: atalef
                    fell 36%

                    2008 year:
                    S&P 500 fell 30%; MSCI World index, showing the dynamics in the markets of developed countries, fell 32,3%; MSCI Emerging Markets Emerging Markets Index - 40,5%.

                    Well, just in case:
                    Often, stock indices are the basis of derivatives of the same name that are used for investment and speculative goals.
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 18 June 2016 20: 23
            +8
            Quote: atalef
            Do not tell tales, and under what sanctions do they live? From one country in the world?
            If you live in a house on 200 apartments and only one neighbor does not talk to you - is it sanctions and blockade?

            And you do not deceive readers. Type in Wikipedia the article "US Sanctions Against Cuba" and you will be ashamed of yourself.
          3. igorek4515
            igorek4515 18 June 2016 20: 54
            +8
            Do not tell tales, and under what sanctions do they live? From one country in the world?

            Well, Cubans don’t like it. Tell the North Koreans .. They’ve been living under sanctions for decades and nothing ... Somehow they’re surviving .. and they’re not going to change their system .. Or will you say again that under sanctions only from one country ..?
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        3. RUSS
          RUSS 18 June 2016 16: 32
          +1
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Tell the Cubans that all their lives under sanctions live

          In Cuba, slowly but surely, they are moving towards capitalism!
          Since October last year, the authorities have begun issuing permits for individual work in 178 specialties. For the first time since the 1959 revolution, the Cuban authorities allowed private agricultural producers to purchase means of production. Cubans also received the right to stay in hotels that were previously reserved for foreigners only. Cuban peasants and owners of personal backyard farms were able to freely sell vegetables and fruits. A number of enterprises (some hairdressing salons, "beauty salons", as well as several taxi companies) began to work on the principle of cooperatives.

          Restrictions on the activities of "paladars" (private restaurants) and small street cafes were significantly relaxed. The restrictions on renting out their own housing have been lifted. The issuance of uncultivated agricultural land to peasants for use was begun.
          Working in the private sector "is an alternative form of employment that is protected by current legislation," Castro said.
          According to him, this activity "should receive support and protection from the authorities at all levels."

          Castro also criticized the excessive centralization of the Cuban economy.
          1. RUSS
            RUSS 18 June 2016 17: 45
            +3
            Quote: RUSS
            In Cuba, slowly but surely, they are moving towards capitalism!

            In general, Cuban society is in a transitional stage from socialism to capitalism, and the mentality of the people corresponds to this. "Southern laziness" and "Soviet indifference" here side by side with the business acumen of some farmers and household owners. At the same time, capitalist traditions have not yet taken root. It is noticeable that people often lack the vision of how to turn the available resources in their favor. The menu of restaurants and cafes is not diversified enough, so the appearance of a restaurant with a truly different cuisine (for example, a sushi bar) could immediately bring profit to the owner. The situation with Trinidad is indicative, the historical center of which is a UNESCO protected monument, and therefore the city is literally flooded with crowds of travelers. Add to this a good beach near the city, mercilessly scorching sun. Would it be unprofitable to sell sunscreen there? But by a strange coincidence, such a cream cannot be bought ANYWHERE in the city. This is such a paradoxical business in Cuban style.
            Tourists are corrupting Cubans. European-style restaurants, bars, cabarets, packs of dollars in the pockets of crowds of visitors from capitalist countries and the alluring prospect of leaving forever for the "heavenly world of consumption" are pushing a huge number of Cubans into prostitution. Others are employed in the service sector, in various schemes (semi) legal taking money from tourists. Those who are richer buy a license from the state and engage in private cabs, or rent rooms to foreigners and cook for them. Others simply cheekily beg for money on the streets and in bars and take comfort in cheap rum. Alcoholism is flourishing. In most cases, a tourist is not a person, but a resource that can and should be mercilessly exploited, because for what he is also needed, if not to draw out attractive dollars and euros from him. If people are not at all interested in this, then I would not call such benevolent people. On the streets you can often see "not very friendly eyes". This is logical. And how would you react to these damned bourgeoisie.
            Cuba is pursuing a policy of liberalizing the economy, and now many Cubans have already acquired cell phones (which was recently banned) and used Chinese cars that only do what they enjoy, life and money.
      3. Was mammoth
        Was mammoth 18 June 2016 16: 11
        +26
        Quote: atalef
        Why no one sees the obvious (time-proved things) - capitalism is more viable and socially reliable formation than socialism and the more ephemeral communism - which no one has ever seen.

        And the slave system is even more "socially reliable formation"! It is quite natural conclusion from the person who "dumped" from the USSR.
        Well, and what is more viable, I agree. "The strongest survives." "Man is a wolf to man!"
        All the social achievements of the West are due to the emergence of a socialist USSR, and not contrary to it.
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 June 2016 16: 29
          .
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          It is quite natural conclusion from the person who "dumped" from the USSR.

          From Russia
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          Well, and what is more viable, I agree. "The strongest survives." "Man is a wolf to man!"

          I can’t speak for all the capital of the country. I’m well acquainted with Israel. Canada and a little Germany - and so - your nonsense does not roll in the absolute.
          Quote: There was a mammoth
          All the social achievements of the West are due to the emergence of a socialist USSR, and not contrary to it.

          Of course . only weird. that the copies were better than the original.
          1. Was mammoth
            Was mammoth 18 June 2016 17: 12
            +10
            Quote: atalef
            your nonsense does not roll in the absolute.

            For a person who "got out of Russia" is a completely natural conclusion wink
            Kus-kus!
            Quote: atalef
            Of course . only weird. that the copies were better than the original.

            Who told you that Russia is worse? Oh yes. "For a person who" dumped "from Russia .... wink
          2. Aleksey_K
            Aleksey_K 18 June 2016 20: 28
            +12
            Quote: atalef
            Quote: There was a mammoth
            It is quite natural conclusion from the person who "dumped" from the USSR.
            From Russia

            But don’t call the country that brought you up, you learned, you’re still a traitor to the Motherland.
            1. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 18 June 2016 20: 48
              +5
              I would not throw such serious accusations. The theme of the departure of Jews from the USSR and Russia is a separate one, from the desire of jeans and chewing gum and manna from heaven to unwillingness to hear accusations of all troubles and world conspiracies. Even Heroes of the Soviet Union used to travel. It does not surprise me that Atalef is a fan of capitalism.
            2. Chisayna
              Chisayna 18 June 2016 21: 33
              +6
              As soon as a topic appears in VO: socialism, communism, the USSR, then European boys start spraying liquid fertilizer on VO. Especially the propeyssor and atalef. the sausage was beaten in physics, despite the fact that he had physics like Ryazan’s Vani and grenadier growth. The fifth point is to blame. We have such a people, they recognize a Jew, despite Ryazan’s physics and huge growth.
      4. vostok1982
        vostok1982 18 June 2016 16: 13
        +9
        The bourgeoisie also did not immediately defeat feudalism. There were revolutions and counter-revolutions. But the course of history is inevitable. Capitalism in its pure form is now inferior to socialism in its own homeland - in Europe. Unfortunately, cultural and spiritual progress does not keep up with social progress. Therefore, if nothing changes, the socially undeveloped elements - migrants, who nevertheless possess superiority in spiritual development (Islam can easily replace the void formed with the decline of Christianity) will supplant and replace socially and economically more developed Europeans.
      5. Ivan Ivanych
        Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 19: 36
        +15
        Dear atalef! Hello sunny Israel from distant but no less sunny Siberia). It's not about the formation according to Marx, but about the presence of ideology at the state level. I think you don’t deny that Israel has it. According to Yeltsin's Russian constitution of 1993, it (ideology) is absent. No idea - no full-fledged state. And the idea in Russian statehood is, first of all, collectivism, the unity of all citizens living in the country. Therefore, we won and will defeat any "partner". And without social justice, enshrined in the constitution, as it was in the USSR, we are doomed to destruction as a nation.
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 June 2016 20: 35
          -7
          Quote: Ivan Ivanovich
          important atalef! Greetings to sunny Israel from distant but no less sunny Siberia). It is not a Marx formation, but an ideology at the state level. I think you do not deny that in Israel it is.

          Any self-respecting country should have a national idea.
          Quote: Ivan Ivanovich
          According to the Russian Constitution of Yeltsin of the 1993 model of the year, it (ideology) is absent. No idea - no full state

          But she was in the USSR. nevertheless, it did not help.
          So the problem is not only in the ideology, it is desirable that the population still believes in it.
          I somehow did not observe demonstrations and protests about the collapse of the USSR
          Quote: Ivan Ivanovich
          . And without social justice enshrined in the constitution as it was in the USSR, we are doomed to destruction as a nation.

          Social justice cannot arise from scratch. First of all, the government should understand that its existence and the re-election of deputies depends on this. But you yourself understand what I'm leading to.
          1. Ivan Ivanych
            Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 21: 04
            +4
            Quote: atalef
            Social justice cannot arise from scratch.

            From scratch there is only an empty spot. Look at the dear globe and feel the difference .... Maybe I’m simplifying it, but maybe at least something, you will understand))
      6. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 18 June 2016 20: 06
        +11
        Quote: atalef
        capitalism is a more viable and socially reliable formation than socialism

        Then why do you have "collective farms" in Israel? The so-called Kibbutz are agricultural communes in Israel characterized by common property and equality in labor and consumption. What are you hanging on our ears about socialism?
        1. AlexW
          AlexW 19 June 2016 15: 01
          0
          Quote: Алексей_К
          Then why do you have "collective farms" in Israel? The so-called kibbutzim

          The fascists in the occupied territories did not disperse the collective farms. A very convenient form for a monopoly capitalist, enslaving the peasantry, gaining superprofits and liquidating the peasant farmer as a competitor.
          1. avia1991
            avia1991 19 June 2016 21: 40
            +1
            Quote: AlexW
            . A very convenient form for a monopoly capitalist,

            Before objecting, you would ask what kibbutzim is: the administrative structure, the distribution of income, etc. There is no need to interfere with everything in a heap!
            1. AlexW
              AlexW 19 June 2016 22: 19
              -1
              Quote: avia1991
              No need to disturb everything in a bunch!

              So you are trying to mix everything into one heap. Comparing kibbutzim and collective farms. Kibbutzim can only be compared with the first collective farms of the 30s. Voluntariness, shares, fair distribution of income, etc. And in the future, collective farms became state enterprises with disenfranchised workers - work from dawn to dawn for a penny, without the right to retirement - not even a passport The collective farmer could not leave, not to mention the fact that he would take his share. The district committee imposed the chairman, controlled everything. An illiterate jerk, an instructor of the district committee, fulfilling the will of the CPSU, indicated what and when to sow. The harvest was cleaned up - there was such a planned economy. That was a "collective farm". The Nazis were also quite happy with such a concentration camp.
      7. Makk
        Makk 18 June 2016 22: 38
        +8
        Boiling up. Are you really bored there? Do you have few problems at your side? Is it weak for you in capital letters, in response to my post, to write the name of the person (?) Thanks to which your people decided to create their own state.
        Why no one sees the obvious (time-proved things) - capitalism is a more viable and socially reliable formation than socialism and the more ephemeral communism - which no one has ever seen.

        To put it mildly, you are not competent in this matter, and therefore you do not see it, because you have not been proved, and all the more so by time.
        1. atalef
          atalef 19 June 2016 08: 45
          -4
          Quote: Makk
          you have few problems at hand? Is it weak for you in capital letters, in response to my post, to write the name of the person (?) Thanks to which your people decided to create their own state.

          theodore herzel
          Theodor Herzl (German: Theodor Herzl, Hungarian Herzl Tivadar; Hebrew בנימין זאב הרצל, Benjamin Zeev; 2 May 1860, Budapest - 3 July 1904, Edlach, Austria, buried in Jerusalem) - Jewish public activist, founder of the World Zionist Organization, herald of the Jewish state and founder of the ideology of political Zionism.
      8. Altona
        Altona 19 June 2016 01: 45
        +3
        Quote: atalef
        Capitalization has existed for several hundred years, developed a little less - it succeeds, develops, gives its citizens as social. protection, as well as good conditions for self-realization, education, healthcare.
        But at the same time - no one is going to accept this fact as a fact? Why?
        Why no one sees the obvious (time-proved things) - capitalism is a more viable and socially reliable formation than socialism and the more ephemeral communism - which no one has ever seen.

        --------------------------
        Sasha, I was not writing my extensive commentary for self-admiration. I showed the sources of financing for capitalist projects, showed the weaknesses in the structure of the USSR and the modern "capitalist" RF. For you personally, I will add, in the West there are "legal mechanisms" for the protection of capitalism. These are not only laws on lobbying, venture legislation, laws on investment protection. A number of laws are being prepared to fill the Trans-Pacific and Transatlantic Partnership with them. Sasha, capitalism responds more vividly to new technologies, but it actively uses finite resources. Yes, you can write a lot. It's just that nothing happens for free, Sasha.
      9. avia1991
        avia1991 19 June 2016 02: 31
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        capitalism is a more viable and socially reliable formation than socialism and the more ephemeral communism - which no one has ever seen.

        Do not forget that your notorious homeland was born solely due to the socialist USSR ?! Where would you be now if not for socialism - in the Nazi ghetto, at best ?! wassat
        As for "ephemeral communism" - how can you, always so sensible, can talk so dismissively about the system, which, by your own admission, never seen ?! request
      10. sa-ag
        sa-ag 19 June 2016 09: 35
        +4
        Quote: atalef
        Not a single country following the path of socialism was viable.

        Representatives of the Entente countries and Adolf Aloizovich considered the USSR a "colossus with feet of clay" as a very controversial statement, whether the unviable country was capable of winning the two largest wars of the century?
      11. Altona
        Altona 19 June 2016 20: 55
        0
        Quote: atalef
        You can and how. Not a single country following the path of socialism was viable.

        ---------------------
        Sasha, and the Germans, French, Swiss, Swedes and Norwegians then go and do not know. You somehow enlighten them on Facebook.
    2. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 18 June 2016 17: 35
      +1
      Quote: Verdun
      . From the point of view of history, 70 years is even less than a moment by which it is impossible to judge the results.

      About how, in this case, we can not judge the results of the reign of the Kiev junta, she is only two years in power. Compared to 70 years, this is nothing at all.
      No, well, sometimes you need to think about it.
      1. Aleksey_K
        Aleksey_K 18 June 2016 20: 31
        +9
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        No, well, sometimes you need to think about it.

        You also need to be friends with the letter "y", otherwise you start to think that something is not quite right with the "head".
  • sherp2015
    sherp2015 18 June 2016 18: 22
    +2
    Quote: dvina71
    There was never communism in the USSR. Except for the "military" as such.

    Socialism is also good
  • Sharapov
    Sharapov 19 June 2016 09: 09
    -3
    That's right, it could not be - because socialism was, if you look closely - utopian, i.e. for the elect, not for the people.
    And for the people there was happiness when they brought beer on Fridays to a nearby deli ...

    It is foolish to discuss the thoughts of a 34-year-old man who has no idea about the USSR.
  • gav6757
    gav6757 19 June 2016 13: 13
    +2
    The author briefly, but very deeply, threw a plan of action and I am ready to agree with him. Of course, not communism, but the distribution of social benefits, a society of equal opportunities, personal development, etc. - this is the USSR. A return to that society, adjusted for today's realities, of course, is inevitable for us. We are used to living in a fair society (we tried), when there is where to turn and you will be heard. When children in school learn from the books of real writers, and not traitors like Solzhenitsyn, when there are no children in the streets asking for money for bread ... This is all the current negative, but the future is positive!
  • Nikolay K
    Nikolay K 19 June 2016 13: 33
    -3
    At the level of development of productive forces in the USSR was state feudalism. The only difference from the traditional one is that feudal lords did not become by birthright, but by the right to be in the party, such a kind of knightly feudalism.
  • AlexW
    AlexW 19 June 2016 14: 36
    -4
    Under Lenin, there were attempts to build socialism: - distribution of land to the poor, communes, councils as local self-government bodies ("every cook ..."), etc. But in connection with the devastation, everything turned into war communism, food appropriation and a forced transition period to restore the economy -NEP. And that was the end of it. The party nomenklatura did not seize power in 17th to give it to the "cooks". Everything else is nothing more than state capitalism. With one owner, a monopolist - the state, hence the stubborn struggle against any manifestation of private-proprietary initiative. The monopolist will not tolerate any kind of competition. Party and state officials (elite) managed all this and enjoyed all the benefits. Under the guise of demagogy about democracy. Ultimately, at the end of the 80s, the nomenklatura itself was tired of ideological clichés about developed and underdeveloped socialism and an unattainable bright communist future. Party-state. officials suddenly turned from hired managers into private owners and appanage princelings-presidents. State capitalism has transformed into the worst oligarchic form of capitalism, which is what we have and what has us.
    1. Guardsman
      Guardsman 19 June 2016 15: 27
      0
      You tell those more fairy tale about decree number 1 "about the land", and hang on the spreading cranberries, the first decree was about - "Prohibiting the population to have WEAPON", came illegally like Kerensky in power, all this Maidan shobla was afraid of the people about whom allegedly split
      1. AlexW
        AlexW 19 June 2016 18: 22
        -1
        Quote: Guardsman
        the tale of decree No. 1 "about the earth", and hang further on the branchy cranberries,

        There were many different decrees, and historians continue to argue what the first was and which the second ... I believe my grandfathers: -they were simple farm laborers, without land peasants under Lenin received land from the Soviet government and, in addition, forest tracts for arrangement. Those who just did not promise them Kerensky, and Petlyura, and Skoropadsky, and Makhno, but received from the Bolsheviks. They then took everything back in the 30s. Yes, and pursued. And this is a fact
  • Yars
    Yars 19 June 2016 17: 26
    0
    Quote: dvina71
    There was never communism in the USSR. Except for the "military" as such.
    Under Stalin, there was socialism .. or very close to this.
    Later - state capitalism.
    So it is not surprising that in the end he became ordinary capitalism.

    Russia just needs socialism, which was built by Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili! But not communism !!!
    1. AlexW
      AlexW 19 June 2016 18: 31
      -3
      Quote: YARS
      need socialism, which was built by Joseph Vissarionovich Dzhugashvili

      Take the trouble to read the definition of socialism from the classics-KM, VIL. In the primary sources, and not in the interpretations of quotation books of ideologists-political workers. And then compare with what was actually built. Stalin's "socialism" was built strictly according to Trotsky's projects. There was no smell of socialism there.
  • Major Yurik
    Major Yurik 18 June 2016 12: 52
    +16
    It is difficult to say what is better and where, and most importantly whether this or that system is suitable for Russia. Much has been said about his Russian path, probably yes. The main thing is that people who despise their country, their people, who sell their relatives for a green piece of paper, and not just strangers, are not allowed to power. And there the style of management and mutual living, protecting the country, the elderly and children, in general, it does not matter what to call it. negative
    1. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 14: 02
      +4
      Quote: Major Yurik
      The main thing is that people who despise their country, their people, who sell their relatives for a green piece of paper, and not just strangers, are not allowed to power. And there the style of management and mutual living, protecting the country, the elderly and children, in general, it does not matter what to call it.

      I can not agree with you. How can I build a house at random, without a plan? The main thing that the foremen did not steal? Well, they will not steal, they will build you a birdhouse, tyap-blunder-ready. No! First of all, you will think about the plan. And they, at the moment, are not so many. Capitalism, socialism. Well, fascism is the same, but this is not our option at all. You can of course return to feudalism or, in general, make slaves. Therefore, the article is about which plan is better for the development of Russia. In general, a very correct article.
      1. Major Yurik
        Major Yurik 18 June 2016 14: 32
        +4
        So I'm trying to convey that, as you say, superintendents should love their country and the people living there. Then, even in his thoughts, he will not "build a tyap-blooper birdhouse" in his homeland, this will contradict his life views.
    2. Ivan Ivanych
      Ivan Ivanych 18 June 2016 20: 15
      +3
      No dear! At the expense of the system, it's time to determine and not hang out like a shit ... # but in the hole
  • shurik
    shurik 18 June 2016 12: 53
    .
    So, you went with your communism to hell, enough for us to endure these freaks

    Well said.
  • Djuma-13
    Djuma-13 18 June 2016 12: 54
    +25
    The teacher is moral ... d (and he lived under communism), which means a bad system - a brilliant conclusion! And now there are some stupid people-liberals-Russophobes around, maybe they will go better with their ranks? !!!
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 18 June 2016 13: 03
      .
      Quote: Djuma-13
      The teacher is moral ... d (and he lived under communism), which means a bad system - a brilliant conclusion! And now there are some stupid people-liberals-Russophobes around, maybe they will go better with their ranks? !!!


      you made the "brilliant conclusion".

      What does the teacher have to do with it? He is a product of this very "fair" era in Russia, when their secretaries, their singers, had everything they wanted, and the hard workers could not even dream of such a thing.

      1. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 18 June 2016 13: 32
        +10
        Quote: bulvas
        Quote: Djuma-13
        The teacher is moral ... d (and he lived under communism), which means a bad system - a brilliant conclusion! And now there are some stupid people-liberals-Russophobes around, maybe they will go better with their ranks? !!!


        you made the "brilliant conclusion".

        What does the teacher have to do with it? He is a product of this very "fair" era in Russia

        E no, you don’t have to juggle, a person’s personality does not depend much on what era he lives in, if a person is a coward he will be a coward under feudalism and socialism, if a person is kind he will be kind in any system and under socialism the place on the bus will give up under capitalism, he will throw a coin into a mug for a beggar. And do not blame the system, if your teacher is shit, and according to him this is classic shit in the image of a person, then he will remain shit in any system.
      2. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 13: 43
        +23
        Quote: bulvas
        when the secretaries and their singers had everything they wanted, and the hard workers could not even dream of such a thing.

        And now you have a yacht, a summer house in the Canary Islands and a Swiss bank account? Dofig you got from the deposition of "secretaries"?
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        2. bulvas
          bulvas 18 June 2016 14: 12
          .
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Quote: bulvas
          when the secretaries and their singers had everything they wanted, and the hard workers could not even dream of such a thing.

          And now you have a yacht, a summer house in the Canary Islands and a Swiss bank account? Dofig you got from the deposition of "secretaries"?



          Is a yacht and canaries the only thing to live for?

          Although I love yachts, I was engaged, but I didn’t earn money on my own, although I would like to

          I don’t hide the Canaries, I traveled, looked (thanks, communists, for being self-removed and not interfering)

          The main thing is that no one teaches you how to live and does not interfere with what you want to do, and then what’s enough
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 14: 26
            +10
            Quote: bulvas
            Is a yacht and canaries the only thing to live for?

            And what did you dream about with the secretaries? Isn't that about it?
            Quote: bulvas
            Although I love yachts, I was engaged, but I didn’t earn money on my own, although I would like to

            Again not lucky. But gentlemen, the capitalists have. The secretaries did not, but they have. That is, the profit was again received not by hard workers. We fix it.
            Quote: bulvas
            I don’t hide the Canaries, I traveled, looked (thanks, communists, for being self-removed and not interfering)

            Well, at least it happened here. But I was not, for example. And not complex about this.
            Quote: bulvas
            The main thing is that no one teaches you how to live and does not interfere with what you want to do, and then what’s enough

            So everyone is doing "who wants what and what the mind is enough for," but usually the mind is enough to "take it closer and put it away." And most importantly, no one "prevents them from living."
          2. gladcu2
            gladcu2 18 June 2016 15: 03
            +11
            bulvas

            Where did you come from so unicellular? He traveled around the Canaries.

            A worker in the USSR with a salary of about 200 p. Lived as a modern store owner. Moreover, the worker did not have any worries after work. At that time, as any modern business owner can never leave business, even if he is on vacation.

            Listen, where do you get this nonsense in your head? Are you a grown man?
            1. atalef
              atalef 18 June 2016 15: 40
              .
              Quote: gladcu2
              Worker in the USSR with a salary of about 200 p. Lived as a modern store owner.

              Interesting comparison
              Quote: gladcu2
              Moreover, the worker did not have any worries after work.

              With the exception of the garden, and what concerns may be? There was no way to realize that
              Quote: gladcu2
              While any modern business owner can never leave business, even if he is on vacation.

              Baby talk
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              2. bulvas
                bulvas 18 June 2016 15: 50
                .
                Quote: atalef
                With the exception of the garden, and what concerns may be? There was no way to realize it all. Quote: gladcu2 While any modern business owner can never leave business, even if he is on vacation.



                It's just that these people are trying to prove something that they have no idea, or are engaged in demagogy, like all communists


                1. str. 1968
                  str. 1968 18 June 2016 22: 18
                  +2
                  Yes, the functionaries have become marginalized themselves trying to limit the idea so that in the eyes of the rest they should not be traitors and thieves, but fighters with the regime. TSUKUTI them Tsukam
              3. Botanologist
                Botanologist 18 June 2016 21: 59
                -1
                atalef
                I honestly didn’t understand why they’ll pass you by. Either the entire Communist Party bureau is sitting on the site, or the people lack critical thinking.
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 22: 30
                  +2
                  Quote: Botanologist
                  whether the people lack critical thinking.

                  Do you have it, apparently? Well, and how do you think critical thinking also suggests calling the second world economy failed? We are waiting for Israel to be at least the fifth. At least a couple of years.
                  1. Botanologist
                    Botanologist 19 June 2016 00: 01
                    +1
                    Quote: Corporal Valera
                    Does critical thinking also suggest calling the second world economy failed?


                    Are we generally talking about the socio-political system, or am I misunderstood the title of the article?
                    Now about the economy. Today, the Chinese economy is not the second, or the first in the world. Did she take place? Of course. Does she dominate? I doubt it very much. At least because the main commodity circulation of the PRC is with the USA (alas and ah). QUESTION: How long will the PRC economy remain first or second in the world if the United States de-diversifies commodity circulation within the framework of the Transatlantic Partnership, what are they doing? I think it’s not very long.
                    The second question: is the PRC economy capable of providing its citizens with a decent standard of living in the face of a decline in trade with the United States or with the development of the crisis? Hardly. Actually, like any other economy.
                    And now a question for your critical thinking:
                    which economy will emerge from the crisis earlier - a command-administrative planned type or a market one?
                    1. Corporal Valera
                      Corporal Valera 19 June 2016 04: 28
                      0
                      Quote: Botanologist
                      Are we generally talking about the socio-political system, or am I misunderstood the title of the article?

                      You correctly understood the title of the article, but you rushed to defend Mr. atalef, and he has a red thread through all the comments:
                      To feed others is not to be successful in the economy.

                      Quote: Botanologist
                      if the United States de-diversifies

                      The words are certainly beautiful, only all real production in China.
                      Quote: Botanologist
                      The second question: is the PRC economy capable of providing its citizens with a decent standard of living in the face of a decline in trade with the United States or with the development of the crisis? Hardly. Actually, like any other economy.

                      And what reasons do you have to think so?
                      Quote: Botanologist
                      which economy will emerge from the crisis earlier - a command-administrative planned type or a market one?

                      In my opinion Roosevelt already answered you in due time.
                    2. Botanologist
                      Botanologist 19 June 2016 15: 59
                      -1
                      Quote: Corporal Valera
                      but you rushed to defend Mr. atalef, and he has a red thread through all the comments:

                      He has his own view, and I see no reason to be offended by this. I don’t have to protect him, who is threatening him in Israel from our website?

                      Quote: Corporal Valera
                      Only all real production in China.

                      I would not say. A lot of things made in USA. And real production is not the real owner. We also collect Toyota with Volkswagen - and so what? Closed factories in Kaluga and Kaliningrad and all things. The production is over. What are your next steps?

                      Quote: Corporal Valera
                      In my opinion Roosevelt already answered you in due time.


                      Well, if you consider the employment program for infrastructure projects to be a good model of the economy, then things were best in China in the 70-s and the DPRK. In extreme cases, one can recall the Stalin mobilization. Only this is not a bit about the fact that communism is great economically, and capitalism is worse.
                  2. Aleksey_K
                    Aleksey_K 21 June 2016 13: 59
                    0
                    Quote: Botanologist
                    which economy will emerge from the crisis earlier - a command-administrative planned type or a market one?

                    Yes, you are strong in a market economy. Apparently they forgot that all the large cap. countries also work as planned. If, for example, an 1 aircraft carrier is ordered, then no one will do 2 or half. And the parent company plans with subsidiaries and allies who will do what and how much. An aircraft carrier, or a rocket, or an aircraft of the F-35 type and others make enterprises work according to a single plan. Do not forget that the construction of, for example, an aircraft carrier requires the construction of a full-scale AUG (aircraft carrier strike group).
                    At the moment, the U.S. Navy AUG most often consists of: 1 multipurpose strike aircraft carrier (AVMA) with a nuclear or steam turbine power plant, 8-10 guarding ships (cruisers, destroyers, frigates, multi-purpose submarines) and support vessels.
                    To strengthen anti-submarine defense, an aircraft carrier strike group may include a PLO division, designed to combat enemy submarines. Usually includes a helicopter carrier of anti-submarine defense (PLO), the main purpose of which is to fight against enemy submarines, forces of aircraft and helicopters based on it, and a group of support ships - up to 6 — 8 destroyers or patrol ships, also with means for detecting and suppressing submarines the enemy.
                    The AUG includes the Deck Aviation Wing - 90 aircraft. A special support air base is being created for this aviation on land.

                    Just imagine that all this military equipment and infrastructure must be created simultaneously with the main ship. And for them, you still need to create weapons, ammunition and a supply system. Yes, it is impossible to create without a plan at all.

                    Here you have a market economy. Yes, it is as planned as in the USSR.
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          3. AlexW
            AlexW 19 June 2016 18: 34
            +1
            Quote: gladcu2
            Lived as a modern store owner. Moreover, the worker did not have any worries after work

            Is that sarcasm? Well, at least you put emoticons lol
            1. bulvas
              bulvas 22 June 2016 08: 46
              0
              Quote: AlexW
              Quote: gladcu2
              Lived as a modern store owner. Moreover, the worker did not have any worries after work

              What's this -sarcasm? Well, at least you put emoticons lol


              It's more like another "... azm"

              (no emoticon)
      3. Naum
        Naum 18 June 2016 22: 04
        -4
        Just "secretaries" osto ** elly! You can believe in fairy tales about communism to the point of opupeniya, but you cannot endlessly force all people to believe in this nonsense! I categorically do not want to return one day to the "bright past". Is that in his youth ...
        Yes, the current communists have not given up anything from their past! Not from cannibalistic theories of "class struggle" and "dictatorship of the proletariat." Not from ass *** full-time materialism. From nothing! And that means that everything can happen again ... Minus, tovarischi!
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 18 June 2016 23: 06
          0
          Quote: Naum
          Yes, the current communists have not given up anything from their past! Not from cannibalistic theories of "class struggle" and "dictatorship of the proletariat." Not from ass *** full-time materialism. From nothing! And that means that everything can happen again ... Less, comrades


          Never! hi
        2. AlexW
          AlexW 19 June 2016 18: 43
          0
          Quote: Naum
          I categorically do not want to return one day to the "bright past".

          It is not possible to return to the past. But mankind will return to the ideas of socialism-communism. Perhaps it will not come back very soon. And not to the supposedly barracks socialism with the poor people and the fattening steam nomenclature in which we had a chance to live. Capitalism will definitely outlive itself. A world mired in endless crises and wars, according to the objective laws of development, will create a classless society.
      4. AlexW
        AlexW 19 June 2016 22: 30
        +1
        Quote: Corporal Valera
        Dofig you got from the deposition of "secretaries"?

        So the secretaries "deposed" themselves. The General Secretary of the CPSU Gorbychev became the president of the USSR, a member of the Politburo Yeltsin became the president of Russia. And who was Nazarbayev, Kravchuk, or the same Khodorkovsky or, for example, Turchinov ??? They are all a product of the party-Soviet nomenclature.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 18 June 2016 14: 38
      +32
      bulvas

      Chorus to smack nonsense. The secretary of the regional committee had a rate of 320 p. And a state car. I had a cottage 9 acres with the usual one-room house.
      I went abroad once in my life. He looked and was not impressed.

      The worker at the factory had a Lada. Salary from 220 to 360. Cottage 9 hundred. Country house one-two bedroom. Eight hour work day 40 hour work week. Many workers also had a motor boat. The worker traveled abroad. Of my friends, one at a time twice. Basically brought jeans and chewing gum. Abroad not impressed.

      The USSR had the highest social protection in the world, not surpassed by any country in the world so far. Confidence and planning for tomorrow is absolute.

      The USSR was the best country in the world.
      1. atalef
        atalef 18 June 2016 15: 02
        .
        Quote: gladcu2
        Chorus to smack nonsense. The secretary of the regional committee had a rate of 320 p. And a state car. I had a cottage 9 acres with the usual one-room house.
        I went abroad once in my life.

        So I say - do not fuck this bullshit
        Quote: gladcu2
        The worker at the factory had a Lada. Salary from 220 to 360. Cottage 9 hundred. Country house one-two bedroom. Eight hour work day 40 hour work week. Many workers also had a motor boat. The worker traveled abroad. Of my friends, one at a time twice. Basically brought jeans and chewing gum. Abroad not impressed.

        Well, where was that? belay
        Quote: gladcu2
        The USSR had the highest social protection in the world, not surpassed by any country in the world so far.

        Better than Canada? belay
        1. Corporal Valera
          Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 15: 07
          +9
          Quote: atalef
          Well, where was that?

          This is us about our own. Not about Israel.
          Quote: atalef
          Better than Canada?

          I'd love to hear about how Canada was rebuilding the national economy after a four-year war.
          1. atalef
            atalef 18 June 2016 15: 41
            -7
            Quote: Corporal Valera
            I'd love to hear about how Canada was rebuilding the national economy after a four-year war

            Oh well . let's give an example of Germany.
            1. Corporal Valera
              Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 15: 52
              +9
              Quote: atalef
              Oh well . let's give an example of Germany.

              Let's. Marshall's plan.
              1. atalef
                atalef 18 June 2016 16: 20
                -2
                Quote: Corporal Valera
                Quote: atalef
                Oh well . let's give an example of Germany.

                Let's. Marshall's plan.

                The USSR invested an order of magnitude more in its satellites
                The Marshall Plan began to be implemented from April 4 to 1948, when the US Congress passed the Law on Economic Cooperation, which provided for the 4-year program of economic assistance to Europe. The total allocation under the Marshall Plan (from April 4 to 1948 December to 1951 December) amounted to about 13 billion [P 1]. dollars, with the main share in England (2,8 billion), France (2,5 billion), Italy (1,3 billion), West Germany (1,3 billion), Holland (1 billion)

                Do you realize the numbers?
                Russia alone has forgiven Cuba for debts of 30 billion dollars - 25 times more than the United States invested in Germany.
                What about the result?
                1. Corporal Valera
                  Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 17: 15
                  +1
                  Quote: atalef
                  The USSR invested an order of magnitude more in its satellites

                  Socialism does not have a sound economy laughing
                  And who invested in the USSR?
                  Quote: atalef
                  What about the result?

                  And the result is still alive, surrounded by cap countries
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 18 June 2016 17: 23
                    -8
                    Quote: Corporal Valera
                    Socialism does not have a sound economy
                    And who invested in the USSR?

                    BRAIN RIP.
                    To feed others is not to be successful in the economy.
                    Quote: Corporal Valera
                    And the result is still alive, surrounded by cap countries

                    laughing
                    A ram can be killed only once, but it is a very long time to cut.
                  2. Corporal Valera
                    Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 20: 25
                    +3
                    Quote: atalef
                    To feed others is not to be successful in the economy.

                    Well Duc get fired from work and see how you feed others.
                    Quote: atalef
                    A ram can be killed only once, but it is a very long time to cut.

                    Well, because of such barbers the people eke out a miserable existence. By the way, you quoted the numbers above, only the dollar is 48 years old and the dollar is 2016, they are a little different.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 18 June 2016 18: 01
              -8
              Quote: Corporal Valera
              Let's. Marshall's plan.

              And Germany paid how much? And if you look back in 1980, looking at how the defeated Wehrmacht veterans and the veterans of the Red Army lived. Burn in the hell of the CPSU for such an attitude towards the winners!
              1. avva2012
                avva2012 18 June 2016 18: 12
                +4
                Alexander, Germany has not paid so much. It's impossible. The damage to the USSR was estimated at tens of those trillions.
                At the expense of the Wehrmacht veterans (I wonder why, you write with a capital letter), read not the Jew Ataleft, but the site of the Jew Grabkin. Including his interview on how he spoke with former Wehrmacht soldiers.
              2. Corporal Valera
                Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 20: 36
                +1
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                And Germany paid how much?

                Really more than defeated? And 26 million lives? And they could work. And how much did you pay for lendlis?
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Burn in the hell of the CPSU for such an attitude towards the winners!

                And you had in the 41st, immediately after Levitan, to make this phrase.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 18 June 2016 21: 22
                  0
                  Well, why, it is possible at 20 .., with such a phrase, after "Leviofan", to speak. Those who need it will understand.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 18 June 2016 15: 09
        +16
        atalef

        Of course better than in Canada. Better than in the USA. Better than in your Israel.

        What are you talking about? Many times better.

        You are atalef, ask the hard workers of your friends. What is their working day? How many hours a week? Can they survive for 40 hours? And in the USSR, every family saved money, and at the same time, to achieve adulthood in children, it was postponed for the purchase of two room cooperatives. And to live in debt it was nonsense.
        1. lesnik1978
          lesnik1978 18 June 2016 15: 44
          +14
          My friend’s family lost 35 thousand rubles because of Judah Gorbachev. In our country, if someone was taken into the army, then at least 100 people gathered on the wires. Now we practically do not have wires.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 18 June 2016 19: 55
            +1
            Quote: lesnik1978
            . With us, if anyone was taken into the army,

            They took away from you, but called upon us! soldier
        2. atalef
          atalef 18 June 2016 15: 46
          .
          Quote: gladcu2
          Of course better than in Canada. Better than in the USA. Better than in your Israel.

          What are you talking about? Many times better.

          We probably lived in different countries.
          Quote: gladcu2
          You are atalef, ask the hard workers of your friends. What is their working day? How many hours a week? Can they survive for 40 hours?

          For 40 - they can. Without a doubt.
          But I work more and more and have more.
          In Europe, in France, 32 is a one-hour workweek, in Germany (in my 36 hours) - and nothing lives, after all, unhappy laughing
          Quote: gladcu2
          And in the USSR, every family saved money and at the same time, to achieve adult age, they were postponed for the purchase of two room cooperatives

          What pills do you use? Look at the instructions, does not affect memory and does it lead to hallucinations?
          This is perhaps the end, you can talk about real things, discuss your nonsense - a waste of time.
          1. Bayonet
            Bayonet 18 June 2016 20: 01
            .
            Quote: atalef
            This is perhaps the end, you can talk about real things, discuss your nonsense - a waste of time.

            Hi Sanya! This is a difficult matter, to argue with the comrade orthodoxy ... Spit, a waste of time. drinks
            1. str. 1968
              str. 1968 18 June 2016 22: 21
              +2
              Yes, functionaries have become marginalized themselves trying to limit the idea, so that in the eyes of the rest they should not be traitors and thieves, but fighters with the regime. TSYKUTY them Tsukam
              I wrote about the Cossack and installation
        3. bulvas
          bulvas 18 June 2016 15: 55
          -4
          Quote: gladcu2
          atalef

          Of course better than in Canada. Better than in the USA. Better than in your Israel.

          What are you talking about? Many times better.

          You are atalef, ask the hard workers of your friends. What is their working day? How many hours a week? Can they survive for 40 hours? And in the USSR, every family saved money, and at the same time, to achieve adulthood in children, it was postponed for the purchase of two room cooperatives. And to live in debt it was nonsense.


          I advise you to ride to Europe on a day off (Saturday, Sunday).

          Surprise that shopping centers are open, but all (almost) shops are closed in them, except that shops of people from hot countries work

          They just kill these Europeans, their desire to rest


          1. atalef
            atalef 18 June 2016 16: 22
            -2
            Quote: bulvas
            They just kill these Europeans, their desire to rest

            Yes, I was like skiing in Switzerland, so these bastards after 16.00 already didn’t want to work, and in 19.00 everything went extinct.
        4. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 18 June 2016 18: 02
          +2
          Quote: gladcu2
          You are atalef, ask the hard workers of your friends. What is their working day? How many hours a week? Can they survive for 40 hours?

          Actually, they not only survive, but they live wonderful.
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 18 June 2016 19: 16
            0
            Alex Romanov

            Here you are lying. A worker at a factory in Israel will not be able to survive working 40 hours a week.
            1. atalef
              atalef 18 June 2016 19: 30
              +1
              Quote: gladcu2
              Alex Romanov

              Here you are lying. A worker at a factory in Israel will not be able to survive working 40 hours a week.

              why if not a secret?
        5. Bayonet
          Bayonet 18 June 2016 19: 54
          -1
          Quote: gladcu2
          And to live in debt it was nonsense.

          So nonsense?
          And not only in the movies ...
      3. regsSSSR
        regsSSSR 18 June 2016 16: 56
        +1
        An interesting study on the standard of living of the Soviet urban family in 1985.

        http://colonelcassad.livejournal.com/2789701.html#comments
    3. bulvas
      bulvas 18 June 2016 15: 04
      .
      [quote = gladcu2] They mainly brought jeans and chewing gum.
      Abroad was not impressed. [/ Quote]

      What do you mean is not impressed?
      What was there to impress?
      Is that "gum"

      I don’t know what you watched there, I was very impressed, first Jerusalem, then the Vatican, Flopence, Venice with temples, museums

      I began to understand how and where Christianity came from, how I was making my way, how painting developed from icons to images of perspectives and living people.

      Where what beer is produced, how do they drink, what do they eat

      This is for example.

      You can see a lot of interesting things if you don’t chase jeans and chewing gum.



      Under the communists, this was not possible.

      [quote = gladcu2]
      Where did you come from so unicellular? He traveled around the canaries
      [/ gladcu2]

      I was not in the Canaries, I was in Mallorca, in addition, there are not a few places more interesting

      And you try, look, you will immediately want to become "unicellular"
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 18 June 2016 15: 16
        +14
        bulvas

        Yes, I saw all this.

        Why do I need your Canaries or the Maldives. Well, I was 5 times in Cuba. Absolutely the same as going on a professional trip to the Black Sea.

        I was with my father and mother several times in childhood. Same.

        Does anyone really think that these Canaries and the Maldives are the best in the world. Look on YouTube why go there?

        What is important for a person? Confidence in the future. Where is she? IN USA? In Canada? And I’m not talking about Israel at all. When I was there, I got the impression that I got into the third world a hundred. After the USSR he drove, already his jaw dropped from that primitive life.
      2. gladcu2
        gladcu2 18 June 2016 15: 26
        +18
        bulvas

        Why should I look at your Vatican?

        I looked and lived on half the planet. In the best half. I saw people. He worked in factories. At 24, I had a sewing workshop. I had time to work as an engineer. I had power and fell down to poverty and rose again. I know 4 languages.

        But I consider the USSR to be the best country. Only the USSR until 1986. Then everything went into the distribution.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 18 June 2016 16: 06
          -8
          Quote: gladcu2
          Why should I look at your Vatican?


          I understand that there is no need, right, no need.

          Then someone advises to go feller of the forest - you probably will like it more

          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 18 June 2016 19: 13
            +5
            bulvas

            I evaluate my morals according to my abilities. There will be extra money and maybe I will go to the Vatican to see.

            I just don’t need it personally. I have seen enough to bind myself to some other kind of desire.

            To say that in life the forest fell? No, I didn’t. Ahead of another 20 years of life. I don’t want to change the specialty.

            You take care of yourself. After all, you have the opportunity also to cut down the forest. Capitalism does not guarantee your future.
    4. avva2012
      avva2012 18 June 2016 15: 39
      +17
      Quote: gladcu2 The USSR was the best country in the world.

      In 1985, the average Soviet family of 3,5 people, minus 44 rubles. on taxes-fees-payments had a total "net" monthly income of 428 rubles, of which 391 rubles spent on current expenses.
      So that in 2016 the same Russian family could maintain the same standard of living, abstracting from the development of technological progress, it needs to spend almost 87 thousand rubles a month.
      Thus, one can very roughly estimate the rate of the Soviet ruble in 1985 in Russian rubles in 2016 87000/391 = 223.
      1 ruble 1985 today - this is 223 rubles at the minimum estimate.
      Soviet salary in 1985 201 rubles. (the average salary in the RSFSR in 1985) is today almost 45 thousand rubles. Often mistakenly called the average salary in the USSR 120 rubles. (not a salary, but the minimum salary for a specialist with higher education without work experience), and so even these 120 rubles. in 1985 - almost 27 thousand modern ones, in our city of Saratov only in terms of security or for extremely hard and responsible work. Do not forget that the Soviet family in 1985, after running costs, had 37 rubles per month to accumulate, or 8 thousand each for modern money.
      How many modern Russian families can boast of keeping or surpassing the Soviet standard of living thirty years ago?
      You can only compare living standards in the USSR and the Russian Federation through the cost structure! Charlatans or fools are those who are directly trying to compare salaries, who are trying to compare through the amount of goods, gold or currency that could be bought for these salaries. The Soviet system gave a significant part of social wealth to its citizens for nothing or for part of the cost, therefore, salaries did not contain all the income that Soviet citizens had.
      Read the full article: http://historian30h.livejournal.com/
      1. atalef
        atalef 18 June 2016 16: 24
        -2
        Quote: avva2012
        In 1985, the average Soviet family of conditional 3,5 people minus 44 rubles. on taxes-fees-payments had a total “net” monthly income of 428 rubles

        Interestingly, how much did this family work?
        My mother, a teacher, earned 2 rubles on 190 bids with difficulty, and my father, the shop manager, 220.
        And it was considered a good standard.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 18 June 2016 16: 39
          +6
          Quote: atalef Interestingly, how much did this family work?
          My mother, a teacher, earned 2 rubles for 190 bets, and my father, the shop manager, earned 220 rubles. And this was considered a good level.

          Read carefully Alexander, or even better follow the link, there in more detail with the charts. etc.
          410 rubles per family, plus free trips to the sanatorium, at a minimum price, abroad. I work at three rates, my wife at two. Both, head. branches. The family has two children: 17 and 4 years old. We are going for four years for the first time, go for 10 days to relax together.
          Something, I'm not sure that in the days of the USSR, with such an intensity of injections without sick leave, we would not have been able to save money "for rest" for a year. I'm not even talking about the fact that some problems did not exist at all.
          1. atalef
            atalef 18 June 2016 17: 01
            +2
            Quote: avva2012
            410 rubles per family, plus free trips to the sanatorium, at a minimum price, abroad.

            To everyone?
            Quote: avva2012
            I work at three rates, my wife at two. Both, head. branches.

            Just a question, but how can you work on 3 bets if one bet implies 8 my one-hour business day?
            I work on a one-time basis, though with processing in the 1.5 area - 2 hours a day, wife of 8-hour slave. day (ordinary)
            3-e children.
            27, 23 and 10 years.

            Quote: avva2012
            We are going for four years for the first time, go on 10 days to relax together.
            Something, I'm not sure that in the days of the USSR, with such intensity

            We travel abroad on average 3 times a year.
            The son (23 of the year) finishes the 2-th degree in inver, while serving in the army as an officer, the youngest in a private school.
            She is the oldest in Canada (she has her own business), but she studied the same here, having arrived in the country at 6-year-old age.
            I came to the country 23 a year ago with two bags and 20 th bucks.
            This is the grin of capitalism.

            Quote: avva2012
            with such an intensity of injections without sick leave, we would not have been able to save money "for rest" for a year

            The problem is not that it was bad in the USSR, the problem is that your situation is even worse now.
            You want capitalism, but what do you have?
            Strange, some praise communism, the second criticize capitalism - but none of you have seen either one or the other.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 18 June 2016 17: 15
              +9
              Let’s imagine for a moment that your country is following the capitalist path, but it is extremely negative about the United States? Are you sure that your standard of living would be the same?
              About three bets. The working day begins at 8, ends at 18. This is essentially. Duty is not taken into account, this is 0,25st. In the time sheets they write that I work until 21.40, every day. Otherwise, combining and combining can not be scattered. So what to do? I have 36 people honey. staff and more than one doctor.
              An 8 hour working day was in the USSR. smile
              1. atalef
                atalef 18 June 2016 17: 30
                -1
                Quote: avva2012
                Let’s imagine for a moment that your country is following the capitalist path, but it is extremely negative about the United States? Are you sure that your standard of living would be the same?

                Yes, I absolutely do not care how my country relates to the United States, if at the same time I have advanced medicine, education, social benefits and a high standard of living.
                If my personal well-being and well-being of my children depends on how I feel about the United States (at the same time, I somehow don’t feel their pressure on myself and this doesn’t interfere with my personal life), then I prefer to treat them well.
                As I understand it, you include all countries with a successful capitalist economy as the same as Israel?
                Quote: avva2012
                About three bets. The working day begins at 8, ends at 18. This is essentially. Duty is not taken into account, this is 0,25st. In the time sheets they write that I work until 21.40, every day. Otherwise, combining and combining can not be scattered. So what to do? I have 36 people honey. staff and more than one doctor.

                Do not understand ? I have a working day with 7 in the morning and, as a rule, until 5 in the evening, this is one rate and no one writes hours to me. which I do not work.

                Quote: avva2012
                8 hour working day was in the USSR

                Why, we have 8 mi-hour, everything else is processing.
                Wife works her 8 hours and not a minute more.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 18 June 2016 17: 50
                  +6
                  And, you are not bothered by such absurdity that you will not see your country on every map, and everything is so wonderful there? Moreover, that there is one superpower on Earth. Maybe a big boss, you can live like that.
                  Or maybe you think that the Jewish state, it is outside the law? Are you a racist or Russophobe?
                  To me, it’s not just the hours they write, I work them out. This is verified. Case histories are submitted for examination to independent experts. I note the experts do not care how many rates I work. There is UKL. There are inspectors if complaints about the work of a doctor appear. It is very beneficial for insurance companies not to pay 100 percent for a completed event.
                  They then deduct this money to themselves.
                  So I work. And not just me. All Russian healthcare. My case is not the most odious yet. In areas even worse.
                2. atalef
                  atalef 18 June 2016 18: 02
                  -4
                  Quote: avva2012
                  And, you are not bothered by such absurdity that you will not see your country on every map, and everything is so wonderful there?

                  no, due to the fact that Luxembourg, Monaco and the Emirates are even smaller, but nonetheless they are doing better than ours
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Moreover, that there is one superpower on Earth. Maybe a big boss, you can live like that.

                  Then thank him for that.
                  Quote: avva2012
                  Or maybe you think that the Jewish state, it is outside the law? Are you a racist or Russophobe?

                  Outlawed by the fact that we have medicine and social services. the package is better than yours and therefore I am Russophobe? Strange conclusion
                  Quote: avva2012
                  To me, it’s not just the hours they write, I work them out.

                  no, if you work before 18.00 and write before 21.30 - then it is just written.
                  You work when you are physically at work. or am I wrong?
                  Quote: avva2012
                  This is verified. Case histories are submitted for examination to independent experts. I note the experts do not care how many rates I work. There is UKL. There are inspectors if complaints about the work of a doctor appear. It is very beneficial for insurance companies not to pay 100 interest for a completed event

                  Do not write me your re-drinking and gray schemes.
                  I come to work and beat off the card, leave - the same beat off and these are my hours of work.
                  How can I work on 3 bids (if the bid is 8-hour business hours) I can’t understand.
                  Quote: avva2012
                  So I work. And not just me. All Russian healthcare. My case is not the most odious yet. In areas even worse.

                  I have no doubt, therefore, my friend who is engaged in medical tourism, has so many patients from Russia.
                  Best regards hi
                3. Anglorussian
                  Anglorussian 18 June 2016 18: 21
                  +1
                  of interest
                  Precisely noticed. laughing
                4. atalef
                  atalef 18 June 2016 18: 41
                  +2
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  of interest
                  Precisely noticed. laughing

                  laughing good
                  one copy. but in the subject laughing
              2. avva2012
                avva2012 18 June 2016 18: 26
                +6
                No, of course, not because you have social. the package is better and therefore, you get racist and Russophobe. And, because you are promoting the ideas of the exclusivity of one people over others. You have advanced medicine, and We have gray schemes. It seems to me that people are the same everywhere. Only, under certain conditions, accumulate in one place, a certain type. Are you going to be treated? Kill yourself with a broom.
                If, you are not aware of how our doctors work and despite the conditions, they still treat, do not talk about "beating the card". We can and who can not fled.
              3. atalef
                atalef 18 June 2016 18: 38
                0
                Quote: avva2012
                No, of course, not because you have social. the package is better and therefore, you get racist and Russophobe

                Can I bring my racist and Russophobic quote somehow?
                But how clear the tone is, at the moment I said that explain to me how you can work on 3 bets, he immediately turned into a Russophobe and a racist. belay
                Quote: avva2012
                And, because you are promoting the ideas of the exclusivity of one people over others

                So that we have better health care? So this is not a secret, and not only is better with us than with you.
                There are countries where health care is better than ours, but I do not call them anti-Semites
                Quote: avva2012
                You have advanced medicine, and We have gray schemes.

                It's true and everyone knows it
                And your 3 bets - this only confirms
                Quote: avva2012
                . Are you going to be treated? Kill yourself with a broom.

                First time hear? belay
                Quote: avva2012
                If you don’t know how our doctors work and despite the conditions, they still treat

                I have no doubt, but at the same time, ours are not going to be treated. and yours to us - yes. How to explain?
                Quote: avva2012
                no need to talk about "beating the card"

                It’s necessary that we, too, are paid to doctors by the hour and they beat cards. Do not you have? Why?
                Quote: avva2012
                We can, and who cannot escape.

                ??
              4. avva2012
                avva2012 18 June 2016 18: 57
                +4
                You don't pull quotes badly.
                About exclusivity. My country is large and rich in mineral resources, and there are only allies and well-wishers around, in the form of China and the European Union, and your country is sand, desalinated water, and Arabs have been around since 47 of the year. With that, you have both medicine and a social package. Why do we need direct talk about subhuman?
                Well, about everything else, this is particular.
              5. atalef
                atalef 18 June 2016 19: 07
                -5
                Quote: avva2012
                About exclusivity. My country is large and rich in mineral resources, and there are only allies and well-wishers around, in the form of China and the European Union, and your country is sand, desalinated water, and Arabs have been around since 47 of the year. With that, you have both medicine and a social package. Why do we need direct talk about subhuman?
                Well, about everything else, it's particular

                This is your personal complexes.
              6. avva2012
                avva2012 18 June 2016 19: 50
                +7

                Yah belay
                This, I wrote that the country is so-and-so, chose a new machine made in Israel, unlike Kalash? You, read your articles, analyze the collection, compare with others, and then re-read your comments. Is Israel Above All?
                Maybe you will find something similar with me, then we'll talk about the complexes. laughing
              7. atalef
                atalef 18 June 2016 20: 40
                -1
                Quote: avva2012
                This, I wrote that the country is so-and-so, chose a new machine made in Israel, unlike Kalash?

                And now what? Or is that not true?
                Quote: avva2012
                You, read your articles, analyze the collection, compare with others, and then re-read your comments. Is Israel Above All?

                Israel is my country and I am proud of it. This does not mean at all that we have no shortcomings.
                Or our primier is the most primitive primier. laughing
                Quote: avva2012
                Maybe you will find something similar with me, then we'll talk about the complexes.

                Similar what? You reproached me that I am a racist and Russophobe - you probably make the same diagnoses at work, in 3 shifts.
                Once again I said - a quote from my Russophobia, or an article about Vietnam and her choice of Galil - is that all you dig? laughing
              8. avva2012
                avva2012 18 June 2016 21: 27
                +1
                You, not Russophobe, definitely. You are a nationalist. That's only in nationality, you love yourself in advance more.
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 18 June 2016 20: 11
    0
    Quote: avva2012
    or better yet, follow the link, there in more detail with the graphs. etc.

    We know these graphs - the average temperature in the hospital! laughing
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 18 June 2016 20: 09
    -1
    Quote: avva2012
    In 1985, the average Soviet family of 3,5 people, minus 44 rubles. on taxes-fees-payments had a total "net" monthly income of 428 rubles.

    Let it go on you! Millionaires damn conditional! I had 120, and my wife 90. am
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 18 June 2016 20: 29
      +2
      Quote: Bayonet
      Let it go on you! Millionaires damn conditional! I had 120, and my wife 90.

      At the same time they would write by whom and how you worked with your wife. Or painted a bare salary? The minimum salary was even 62 rubles. However, the civil pension in the USSR was 132 rubles. Somehow more will be your salary. But, according to your work, it would seem that a pension would have been accrued less.
      1. Bayonet
        Bayonet 19 June 2016 06: 02
        0
        Quote: There was a mammoth
        At the same time they would write by whom and how you worked

        He worked as an engineer, but two of my friends went to the drivers (after graduation) and naturally earned more. Hegemon however! wink
    2. avva2012
      avva2012 18 June 2016 20: 45
      +1
      I had 120, and my wife 90.
      Starving, along with 410 Atalef?
      Calculate at the current rate, plus housing and communal services and other social benefits of the USSR. Compare with the current "course". Add that many had their own household and went to the taiga to pick mushrooms and berries. Then they sold it on the market. Did it disgust you?
      Bucket of lingonberries, how much did it cost?
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 18 June 2016 21: 10
        +5
        Quote: avva2012
        Bucket of lingonberries, how much did it cost?

        Bayonet from Rostov. There are no lingonberries. He fixed the radios, and caught the BBC at night. laughing
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 18 June 2016 21: 32
          +1
          BBC, guilty of starving in the USSR. laughing Who would doubt that. While listening, the herring was rotten. wink
        2. Bayonet
          Bayonet 19 June 2016 06: 12
          0
          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Bayonet from Rostov. There are no lingonberries. He fixed the radios, and caught the BBC at night.

          How he looked into the water! smile And also televisions and other crap, while Alexander (avva) ran through the taiga with a bucket in search of lingonberries and mushrooms! smile BBC and other voices in the evening were not badly caught, and how jammers were torn!
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 19 June 2016 06: 07
        0
        Quote: avva2012
        Add that many had their own farm and went to the taiga mushrooms and berries. Then they sold it on the market. Did you feel sick of it?

        Yes, sick of it, because there is no taiga in Rostov! And what you describe is not life, but survival. With normal pay at work, a person will not run in his free time in the taiga, then to trade in the market! hi
      3. your1970
        your1970 19 June 2016 21: 31
        +1
        the police officers didn’t catch you in a working bucket in a bazaar in WORKING TIME ?? And they should have ...
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 18 June 2016 17: 58
    -5
    Quote: gladcu2

    The worker at the factory had a Lada.

    One worker for the whole plant?
    Quote: gladcu2
    Salary from 220 to 360

    If they deprived of the prize, then 220, but no, then 320, excellent laughing
    Quote: gladcu2
    Worker traveled abroad

    Stories from a parallel universe.
    Quote: gladcu2
    . Of my friends one at a time

    Looks like all your friends, the highest ranks of the state apparatus.
    Quote: gladcu2
    Abroad not impressed.

    wassat
    The most amazing thing is that everyone knows that he is sitting and lying, but at the same time they give him advantages.
    Why the hell do we need the Communists who even here on the site sit and lie and plus lie. Your whole ideology is built on lies, even here on the site.
    Yes, a hundred centuries you have not fallen to Russia with your Lenin and Marx.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 18 June 2016 19: 07
      +4
      Alexander Romanov

      Why should I lie? Meaning?

      Under the USSR there was a wage system from generation. More did more earned. There were some unpleasant moments there. But basically fair enough. Therefore, salaries could be different.

      And I know very well about the party management. I grew outgoing. And my friends had half the city. And the party apparatus, there were people like people. Just normal decent people.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 19 June 2016 00: 14
        +1
        Quote: gladcu2
        More did more earned. There were some unpleasant moments there. But basically fair enough. Therefore, salaries could be different


        How is it - different? Above the tariff grid?
        And the doctor is also different?
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 19 June 2016 06: 10
        0
        Quote: gladcu2
        Under the USSR there was a wage system from generation. More did more earned.

        Another piece of news from a parallel universe.
        Quote: gladcu2

        And I know very well about the party management

        They greeted you by the hand.
        Quote: gladcu2
        I grew outgoing. And my friends had half the city

        We had a thief in law; he, too, knew the sex of the city, including all the officials.
        Quote: gladcu2
        . Just normal decent people

        Excuse me, but how did these decent pigs ruin the country?
        And you can their names, I want to see which of these decent now does not live in the United States.
        Quote: gladcu2
        Why should I lie? Meaning?

        So I think, sits, lies and does not blush.
        Your whole ideology is rotten, built on a lie.
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    3. Corporal Valera
      Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 21: 51
      -1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The most amazing thing is that everyone knows that he is sitting and lying, but at the same time they give him advantages.
      Why the hell do we need the Communists who even here on the site sit and lie and plus lie. Your whole ideology is built on lies, even here on the site.

      No bullshit, you're lying!
    4. bulvas
      bulvas 22 June 2016 17: 30
      0
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      The most amazing thing is that everyone knows that he is sitting and lying, but at the same time they are giving him advantages. Why the heck we need the Communists, who even sit here on the site and lie and plus lies. Your whole ideology is built on lies, even here on the site.



      Brilliantly!

      hi drinks
  • AlexW
    AlexW 19 June 2016 19: 02
    +1
    Quote: gladcu2
    The USSR was the best country in the world.

    In the 70s he served in the GSVG. It was the officers' dream to serve in Germany and at least get a little grudge. For a trip on vacation to the Union as a child, they kept food for a month. Starting from Brest, it was simply not possible to buy an edible child. In Moscow, crazy lines are everywhere, in the mausoleum, in the hotel, in the department store, in the train station. Something could be bought only by pulling and for a bribe. Is medicine free? - A familiar dentist tearfully asked him to bring high-quality GDR-preparations. There was simply nothing to treat people. In military units, there was a special commission on the distribution of material wealth, supposedly so that everyone would get a washing machine, a thermos, a refrigerator, a rug and an umbrella belay In fact, it was distributed according to the principle of personal loyalty and servility. It was headed, of course, by the political officer of the unit. The party nomenklatura did not trust anyone at the trough. At the congresses of the CPSU, the slogan was often sounded: - "The party must feed the Soviet people!" I kept asking myself the question - where does the party get all this to feed this insatiable dependent ??
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 22 June 2016 17: 34
      0
      Quote: AlexW
      - A familiar dentist tearfully asked him to bring high-quality GDR-preparations. There was simply nothing to treat people.



      I had a friend - a dentist, I was treated with him "by pull", so he gave me a glass of vodka as an anesthetic and turned Blackmore at full volume.

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  • kotvov
    kotvov 18 June 2016 17: 02
    +3
    He is a product of this very "just" era in Russia,
    you read the article, or you are pushing your thought. it is clearly indicated that there was a perversion of the idea. who was nothing, took the place of princes. why in real socialism there should not be by definition.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 18 June 2016 12: 59
    +21
    Communism, of course.
    The lazy one didn't spit on him today. Only a few know what "communism" is. But in our reality everything happens according to the scheme calculated and predicted by the classics a long time ago.
    The triumph of capitalism.
    And all economic crises, social conflicts and religious hysteria are all typical signs of intra-capitalist contradictions. And then it will be even worse. Only because capitalism, with its idea of ​​surplus value and the vector of enrichment, is in fierce conflict with the main human essence - the craving for justice. There will be no justice in capitalism NEVER!
    And humanity, if it does not burn itself in a nuclear frenzy, will sooner or later come to an understanding of the expediency of communism. Where everyone gets everything they want and gives everything they can. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. And the man of the future will have enough brains not to inflate his "needs" to the point of idiotic obscenity, which is what our representatives of the capitalist elite sin. Communism is not only an economic model. This is a triumph of common sense.
    And this is not utopia. This is our uncontested future.
    Are there any options?
    1. Dali
      Dali 18 June 2016 13: 29
      +3
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      And humanity, if it does not burn itself in a nuclear frenzy, will sooner or later come to an understanding of the expediency of communism. Where everyone gets everything they want and gives everything they can. From each according to his ability, to each according to his needs. And the man of the future will have enough brains not to inflate his "needs" to the point of idiotic obscenity, which is what our representatives of the capitalist elite sin. Communism is not only an economic model. This is a triumph of common sense.
      And this is not utopia. This is our uncontested future.
      Are there any options?

      No common sense options !!!

      It will only take a long time to wait until the majority of the people are imbued with this common sense.

      It is the majority of the people, because where did all the current Russian capitalists come from, who were they, are they really capitalists?
      All enti comrades lived near us (that the comrades from the CPSU are future capitalists, that just comrades and citizens are future capitalists) !!!

      And at the expense of theft - the level of theft in the USSR and in Russia (and about the 90s there are simply no words) is not comparable, the difference is tens of times.

      Why it was bad with products at the end of the USSR, and already in some parts of the USSR since the 80s, is a separate big topic. Briefly say the betrayal of the CPSU elite, crooked-handed and crooked-headed internal planning, often brainless geopolitical work ...

      By the way, there were attempts to correct the curved-handed and crooked-headed internal planning - and at the end there would have been enough computing resources at least since the year 1968 ... there was an excellent article on the VO, but it wasn’t given (as they say, it was not publicly known from officials of the state plan and ministries , at that time, and we will do what belay )
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 June 2016 14: 04
      +1
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      And the man of the future will have enough brains not to inflate his "needs" to the point of idiotic obscenity, which is what our representatives of the capitalist elite sin. Communism is not only an economic model. This is a triumph of common sense.

      Communism is really not an economic, social change. The problem is that no one knows when this person of the future will appear.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 18 June 2016 13: 07
    +8
    What would you choose? For example, they would create a trial region of communism in Russia and would give every resident in the field of communism a job, housing, etc. etc .. all the benefits but without money. Those. you would go to work, but you wouldn’t be given money, you would have had full social benefits. package. All for free provided without wrecking.
    What would you choose to stay in today's capitalism or go to communism with all the necessary benefits?
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 18 June 2016 13: 15
      -4
      I'm even afraid to write in this thread ....! Already know who will win hi
      But still...
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 18 June 2016 13: 16
      .
      Quote: Denis Obukhov
      What would you choose to stay in today's capitalism or go to communism with all the necessary benefits?


      To born-in parasites - eat what you give and sit in silence.

      What is not a slave system?

      But what about those who want to rely on their strength?
      1. Yegorchik
        Yegorchik 18 June 2016 13: 47
        +21
        Quote: bulvas


        To born-in parasites - eat what you give and sit in silence.

        What is not a slave system?

        But what about those who want to rely on their strength?

        I apologize, but who was stopping you from counting on your strengths when advising? Have you been tied up and prevented from working? He bought a valshik at the timber industry for 800-900 rubles a month, for a couple of years you could earn money for an apartment in any corner of the country. But there was a problem with XNUMX-meter yachts, because people don’t need them, they just don’t need them humanly.
        1. Chisayna
          Chisayna 18 June 2016 19: 52
          +1
          I’m 90 (ninety) g, I earned 7 (seven) thousand rubles. Here, I was 17 years old. A relative in 89-90 brought furs from the taiga for 32-33 thousand rubles. That's the way. And the Jews have one whining.
      2. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 14: 36
        +12
        Quote: bulvas
        To born-in parasites - eat what you give and sit in silence.

        laughing Do you think that you live differently now?
        But what about those who want to rely on their strength?

        Well, first you need to build a brick factory. Then, from this brick to build a house. Then dig a canal, sewage treatment plant, water intake station and water supply. Build a thermal power plant to have hot water. But no! First, it is necessary to build a hydroelectric station in order for the TPP and the plant to work. To conduct power lines from the hydroelectric power station, to the plant, thermal power station and the house. Well, and there is the little things: smelting cast iron, steel, mechanical engineering, machine tool building ... Himself, all by himself!
      3. razmik72
        razmik72 18 June 2016 15: 45
        -2
        Quote: bulvas
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        What would you choose to stay in today's capitalism or go to communism with all the necessary benefits?


        To born-in parasites - eat what you give and sit in silence.

        What is not a slave system?

        But what about those who want to rely on their strength?

        Everywhere you can earn money, there would be a desire, and under the USSR I went to study as a shoemaker smile , I remember, the late dad was collecting my tools and throwing them out of a sixth floor window, such as not disgracing a family, go to a university, but I learned and in recent Soviet years under Gorbachev created not a small shoe cooperative and sold it in Russia and Ukraine. There was a single economic space, there was a huge Union market. After the collapse of the USSR, the cooperative had to close and live in cramped conditions, as there was a civil war in Georgia, it was deadly to export finished goods, and in Armenia at that time there was not even light, it was given for several hours a day. I think that the Union collapsed so quickly and no one came out to defend it, because the middle class had not formed, which was profitable to have a powerful, large in size and population state, and from which it would receive its income. In our city, I was one of the rare people who grieved about the collapse of the USSR in 1991, basically everyone was happy, and I realized that a huge market was being lost. If I had come to power instead of Gorbachev and made so that the class of small and medium-sized entrepreneurs is strengthened, it seems to me that the Union would not collapse.
        1. bulvas
          bulvas 18 June 2016 16: 11
          -2
          Quote: razmik72
          and sold it in Russia and Ukraine. There was a single economic space, there was a huge union market. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the cooperative had to close and live in cramped conditions, since there was a civil war in Georgia, exporting finished goods became deadly, and in Armenia time was not even light, it was given for several hours a day. I think that the Union fell apart so quickly and no one came out to defend it, because the middle class had not formed, which was advantageous to have a powerful, large state and population state, and from which it would receive its income. In our city, I was one of the rare people who grieved for the collapse of the USSR in 1991, basically everyone was happy, and I realized that a huge market was lost. If Gorbachev came to power and if he would make the class of small and medium-sized entrepreneurs stronger, it seems to me that the Union would not collapse.


          You do not know who ruined the USSR?

          Hint: then the CPSU was in power
          1. kotvov
            kotvov 18 June 2016 17: 15
            +2
            Hint: then the CPSU was in power ,,
            tell who is in power now, all former members of the CPSU.
        2. bulvas
          bulvas 18 June 2016 16: 11
          +1
          Quote: razmik72
          and sold it in Russia and Ukraine. There was a single economic space, there was a huge union market. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, the cooperative had to close and live in cramped conditions, since there was a civil war in Georgia, exporting finished goods became deadly, and in Armenia time was not even light, it was given for several hours a day. I think that the Union fell apart so quickly and no one came out to defend it, because the middle class had not formed, which was advantageous to have a powerful, large state and population state, and from which it would receive its income. In our city, I was one of the rare people who grieved for the collapse of the USSR in 1991, basically everyone was happy, and I realized that a huge market was lost. If Gorbachev came to power and if he would make the class of small and medium-sized entrepreneurs stronger, it seems to me that the Union would not collapse.


          You do not know who ruined the USSR?

          Hint: then the CPSU was in power
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 18 June 2016 16: 32
            -3
            In the USSR, there was planned state capitalism without ties between people, I mean without economic ties. Under the slightest unfavorable circumstances, this system cracks and collapses, the CPSU is guilty of proceeding from the abstract theories of German socialist economists with an experiment that it could not bear and bent.
            1. avva2012
              avva2012 18 June 2016 16: 50
              +4
              Quote: razmik72 In the USSR, there was planned state capitalism without ties between people, I mean, without economic ties.

              State capitalism was formed in the USSR under Kosygin. If you carefully read the classics, then the main idea was the emergence of a "man of a new formation", more intelligent, honest. They try not to notice this moment, focusing on the economy.
              Naturally, the "new man" will not appear not in 20, not in 70, not in two hundred years. But, the fact that this is possible was shown by a generation of young people who survived or not, the Second World War. Morality was different for people. And, it was done without cinema and other modern technologies, in twenty years! Think about it.
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  • iouris
    iouris 18 June 2016 13: 19
    +5
    There was no communism in the USSR. And the achievement of such a level of consumption as in the USA or in Sweden, in the foreseeable future, does not "shine" for us under any system. And not only to us.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 18 June 2016 16: 08
      -3
      Quote: iouris
      There was no communism in the USSR. And the achievement of such a level of consumption as in the USA or in Sweden, in the foreseeable future, does not "shine" for us under any system. And not only to us.

      Communism was in Lenin's best dreams, in my time, during the late Brezhnev, no one believed in communism anymore. Gorbachev tried to change something in the economy of the USSR, but nothing came of it. In general, I believe that the same collapse contributed to the rapid collapse of the Union planned economy, with the slightest disorganization of the country, the planned economy went into pieces and buried the country under it. It would be better if small and medium-sized businesses were developed in the USSR, he would not let demagogues in the national suburbs and in the center play on people's feelings and ruin country. Communism or what the author of the article implies led the powerful USSR to collapse, it can already be archived sad , although during the Soviet era there were very beautiful and convenient moments for people.
    2. gladcu2
      gladcu2 18 June 2016 17: 01
      +4
      iorius

      Why so pessimistic? How much do you need for life? Standard set. Apartment, furniture, car. And confidence in tomorrow. Soviet socialism gave all this, but guaranteed confidence in tomorrow. Capitalism gives the first three, and no confidence in tomorrow. Give the last and everything will be fine even under capitalism.

      But capitalism is already a stone age. Outgoing system. True, it is artificially delayed, patched and poured. One day it will not work.
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  • RUSS
    RUSS 18 June 2016 13: 20
    .
    Quote: bulvas
    So, you went with your communism to hell, enough for us to endure these freaks

    good
  • Yegorchik
    Yegorchik 18 June 2016 13: 24
    +15
    Quote: bulvas
    I remember how my friend, a chemistry teacher, reasoned

    This is the main mistake of the theorists of communism in their reasoning, they raised a person to their own level, believing that once a person gets into a more or less fair system, he will support and develop it for the benefit of all individuals in this society, but in reality the average person is about such a teacher , a vile, selfish little soul who thinks only about how to grab and spit on more good things from someone, at least from her work colleague, even from a disabled child. Now, here, the supporters of capitalism complain that everything was bad only because they had a specific life the situation has become better, but that others in the current system have become impoverished and that in any newspaper you will see a request for help from the parents of another child who do not have money for medicines for him, because the price of such medicines is an order of magnitude higher than they can earn, they don’t give a damn about it, because they settled normally, they have an ass in the heat. At work I saw many representatives of modern youth coming from the village I’m going to work in the city because with the collapse of collective farms in many villages there is stupidly no work, so they all have no prospects in life whatsoever, since it’s just not possible to save up their own housing all the salary goes to pay for rented accommodation and food , all is not one extra penny. And under the current capitalism, a simple broken leg for them is a tragedy for no one can support a person in such a situation, there is no money to pay for the apartment, go outside, do not go to work, do not care about your problems, go outside we’ll hire another.
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 18 June 2016 13: 27
      -3
      Kicks your students .....?
    2. Dart2027
      Dart2027 18 June 2016 14: 11
      0
      Quote: Egorchik
      This is the main mistake of the theorists of communism in their reasoning, they raised a person to their level.

      Yes it was a mistake. Idealism in politics always leads to disaster.
    3. atalef
      atalef 18 June 2016 15: 11
      .
      Quote: Egorchik
      This is the main mistake of theorists. communism, in their reasoning, they raised a person to their level, believing that once in a less equitable system, a person will support and develop it for the benefit of all individuals

      laughing
      The father of communism, who was sympathetic to smelly commoners, was himself not too fragrant. He suffered from purulent boils and carbuncles, which healed poorly and grew again and again due to excessive tobacco smoking, daily drunkenness and the belief that cleanliness is a bourgeois relic. Marx was even proud that some of the sheets from the first manuscript of Capital were stained with blood from acne squeezed out in the process of writing on the body of a class struggle theoretician.

      Well, you can certainly add that Marx never worked, living on the money of Engels.

      Quote: Egorchik
      and the fact that others in the current system have become impoverished and that in any newspaper you will see a request for help from the parents of another child who do not have money for medicines for him, because the price of such medicines is an order of magnitude higher than they can earn

      This is generally not a problem of capitalism, but of a specific state - there is money for Syria, but no money for the treatment of children.
      Well, and you, as citizens, like this, as I understand it, I haven’t seen a protest about this
      Quote: Egorchik
      And under the conditions of current capitalism, a simple fracture of their legs is a tragedy for them, because no one can support a person in such a situation, there is no money to pay for the apartment, go to the street, do not go to work, do not care about your problems, go to the street and hire another.

      Strange, but how do people live in cap.countries? In Switzerland, Luxembourg, Monaco, European countries? Are they all socialist? Maybe the problem is not in the system, but in a specific country and its power?
      1. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 16: 07
        +7
        Quote: atalef
        Well, you can certainly add that Marx never worked,

        laughing Bees versus honey!
        Quote: atalef
        and there is money for a specific state - for Syria - but no for the treatment of children.

        Well, disassemble your "Dome", "David's Sling" and whatever else you have, and give the money to doctors and teachers. And we will time the time.
        Quote: atalef
        Well, and you, as citizens, like this, as I understand it, I haven’t seen a protest about this

        And good
        Quote: atalef
        Strange, but how do people live in cap.countries?

        Not really.
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 June 2016 16: 32
          -6
          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Well, disassemble your "Dome", "David's Sling" and whatever else you have, and give the money to doctors and teachers. And we will time the time.

          What for ? Everything is fine with medicine.

          Quote: Corporal Valera
          Not really.

          A must (in your opinion) die for a long time laughing
          1. Corporal Valera
            Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 21: 10
            +2
            Quote: atalef
            What for ? Everything is fine with medicine

            But in the USSR everything was in order. You, that also in the 90s, Gaidar taxied the economy? In general, google statistics on child mortality and life expectancy in Russia.
            Quote: atalef
            A must (in your opinion) die for a long time

            Yes, they live. Only others do not interfere. Tips especially
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  • siberalt
    siberalt 18 June 2016 13: 32
    +13
    The author does not understand at all that there was socialism in the USSR, and communism as its highest stage was a lofty idea. Under communism, the state as such is not provided for at all. For it, according to Lenin, is an apparatus of violence. Communist society is a society of abundance, equality and justice. Where from each according to his ability, and to each according to his needs, and no banks and money. Well, every schoolboy already knew this educational program.
    1. gladcu2
      gladcu2 18 June 2016 15: 38
      +5
      siberalt

      Of course you're right. The author does not know the difference between socialism and communism.

      Socialism in the USSR was reduced to absolute. The protection of life and organization is magnificent. But not without flaws.

      Communism is a society based on a non-monetary economic system.

      You go to work or service. You have everything you need for life. In the store you take those that you need for free.

      Presumably communism is the next after socialism. A necessary condition is a high education among the population and high morality. The moral of the population is formed on the basis of knowledge.
      Under capitalism, biblical morality works.
    2. Bayonet
      Bayonet 18 June 2016 20: 35
      +1
      Quote: siberalt
      Well, every schoolboy already knew this educational program.
  • Max_Bauder
    Max_Bauder 18 June 2016 13: 33
    +14
    Communism is when 1 loaf of bread is divided exactly into 10 identical pieces for 10 people.
    Capitalism - this is when 1 loaf of bread is divided into two pieces, 75 percent or three quarters of which go to 1 person and for the remaining 25 percent or a quarter, the remaining 9 people take how much they will snatch. Here is such a reality. smile

    P.S. The justice of the first and second division can be discussed separately. This topic is closer to questions, and who and what is a person in society / tribe / family / family / people / country and what constitutional / religious / natural right does he have and who introduced this right and on what basis smile
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 18 June 2016 13: 46
      .
      "Communism is when 1 loaf of bread is divided into exactly 10 identical pieces for 10 people" /////

      Even if 3 of them were sown, stung and baked, and 7 - drank beer on a bench.
      Therefore, communism does not roll anywhere.
      1. dr.star75
        dr.star75 18 June 2016 13: 54
        +12
        It looks like the concept of "honesty" is banned for Jews.
        1. dr.star75
          dr.star75 18 June 2016 14: 29
          0
          Feels Jewish approach. Where they can pile up, they deviate from communication.
      2. yuriy55
        yuriy55 18 June 2016 14: 47
        +11
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Therefore, communism does not roll anywhere.


        You already decide fool There, in the top posts they already said that there was no communism (not only in the USSR, but also in the world) request And about socialism, the past, the present and future of which is very real, they can tell you in China ...

        Yes ... under socialism, seven did not drink beer on a bench (if only pensioners ???). The distribution system, payroll was slightly different yes And no one particularly tried to impress those around them with acquisitions for "unearned income" ... There was a restriction that could be expressed in an exceptional measure and complete confiscation ...

        And capitalism spread only because some "smart" uncles (and aunts too) excluded the concept of gold content from banknotes
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 June 2016 15: 13
          -7
          Quote: yuriy55
          And about socialism, the past, the present and future of which is very real, they can tell you in China ...

          and what can they tell?
        2. Max_Bauder
          Max_Bauder 18 June 2016 20: 03
          0
          Quote: yuriy55
          And capitalism spread only because some "smart" uncles (and aunts too) excluded the concept of gold content from banknotes


          This contains the impasse of such a monetary relationship. For there can be no endless increase in money without real production. The market has its borders.
          The paradox of capitalism is that the capitalist replaces people with robots, releasing a bunch of unemployed people, as they described endlessly automating work and labor in the article, as a result of which there is no one to buy goods of the same production. Not only that, people can start a revolution and ruin such a system as Marx described. It's like a snake biting its tail. The product should be for people and not vice versa. smile

          P.S. True, the capitalists have one remedy that can save them. When production is fully automated, and there will be too many former workers, then in order to eliminate the risks that threaten production and its capital, the capitalist will benefit from reducing unnecessary "ballast" asking for social and other payments. A small number of people working for food and housing will be enough.
      3. Corporal Valera
        Corporal Valera 18 June 2016 16: 15
        +2
        Quote: voyaka uh
        "Communism is when 1 loaf of bread is divided into exactly 10 identical pieces for 10 people" /////

        Even if 3 of them were sown, stung and baked, and 7 - drank beer on a bench.
        Therefore, communism does not roll anywhere.

        And capitalism is when the whole loaf goes to one person. And from those 7 who drank beer. They wrote everything correctly, yeah yes
      4. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 18 June 2016 19: 51
        +3
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Even if 3 of them were sown, stung and baked, and 7 - drank beer on a bench.


        I don’t know whether Jews have the concept of "giving", Muslims have a religious duty - sadaqa, when part of the salary must be given to the have-nots or the poor, in the West their own version is philanthropy or simply charity. So in life who gets all this for free, these are outright parasites, lazy people who have arranged their lives well. There are many of them in Russia and Kazakhstan, it is not clear what nationality, but there is a whole mafia, a whole system of begging. All these migration flows to the West are also due to the fact that the unemployed there are given money. Do you want to drink beer, as you put it. So your statement just characterizes today's Europe, the United States and the Arab countries. In the Soviet Union, on the contrary, they were punished for parasitism, and they tried to "infuse" each person into society, into the collective. Believe me, there were few lazy people then. smile
  • voronbel53
    voronbel53 18 June 2016 13: 48
    +1
    Nobody forces freaks to endure, but doesn’t determine where to go either - we will stand or go, where the wind will send. Just go by trial and error, pioneers, their mother go there. Just ask a question - where are we going and what do we need - chocolate for some or bread for everyone? .. Think, people, think ...
    1. st25310
      st25310 18 June 2016 15: 05
      -7
      And when we build communism, then what will we build? That's why we will never build it ...
  • sabakina
    sabakina 18 June 2016 14: 40
    +4
    For bulvas:
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 18 June 2016 15: 16
      -7
      Quote: sabakina
      For bulvas:


      Very expressive and understandable.
      Completely feminine

  • Igor V
    Igor V 18 June 2016 14: 56
    +10
    bulvas, if you think that all these secretaries had wealth, then you are mistaken. The apartment of the former first secretary of our regional committee differed from the usual Soviet (mine, for example) apartment only in the size of the hallway. The house is a little wider, if you look from the end. And the wife of the regional power chief, who worked for this post for many years, said that her only wealth was a crystal chandelier, which they bought on a trip to Czechoslovakia. The current myth of wealth was invented already in the present time to justify their mansions, yachts and more.
    1. atalef
      atalef 18 June 2016 15: 52
      -5
      Quote: Igor V
      And the wife of the regional power chief, who worked for many years at this post, said that her only wealth was a crystal chandelier, which they bought on a trip to Czechoslovakia

      What else could she say?
    2. bulvas
      bulvas 18 June 2016 16: 03
      -8
      Quote: Igor V
      bulvas, if you think that all these secretaries had wealth, then you are mistaken. The apartment of the former first secretary of our regional committee differed from the usual Soviet (mine, for example) apartment only in the size of the hallway. The house is a little wider, if you look from the end. And the wife of the regional power chief, who worked for this post for many years, said that her only wealth was a crystal chandelier, which they bought on a trip to Czechoslovakia. The current myth of wealth was invented already in the present time to justify their mansions, yachts and more.


      How many people here are familiar with the life of the party elite of the USSR

      Do not tell my slippers about your knowledge
  • larand
    larand 18 June 2016 16: 07
    +3
    Quote: bulvas
    So, you went with your communism, to hell, enough for us to endure these freaks [/ b]

    Have you seen real communism? What such "ideologues of communism" as Yakovlev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and similar swindlers did in the USSR is as similar to communism as a slingshot to a machine gun. For them, and not only for them, the membership card was just a pass to a career. And, by the way, we ourselves are no better, animal instincts prevail in us, so most of us were not even ready for socialism, let alone communism. The idea is not to blame for the fact that we were unable to either understand it or implement it.
    1. atalef
      atalef 18 June 2016 16: 33
      -4
      Quote: larand
      Have you seen real communism? What such "ideologues of communism" as Yakovlev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and similar swindlers did in the USSR is as similar to communism as a slingshot to a machine gun.

      And Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov. Chernenko?
      how with these?
      1. larand
        larand 18 June 2016 17: 14
        +1
        Quote: atalef
        Quote: larand
        Have you seen real communism? What such "ideologues of communism" as Yakovlev, Gorbachev, Yeltsin and similar swindlers did in the USSR is as similar to communism as a slingshot to a machine gun.

        And Khrushchev, Brezhnev, Andropov. Chernenko?
        how with these?

        Can you write a complete list? Not enough space. I mentioned only the most frank, in my opinion, villains who deliberately perverted the idea.
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 June 2016 17: 15
          -5
          Quote: larand
          I mentioned only the most outright, in my opinion, villains who deliberately perverted the idea.

          Do you take Stalin to these?
          1. regsSSSR
            regsSSSR 18 June 2016 22: 13
            +4
            atalef
            Do you take Stalin to these?


            whatever it was. Stalin is probably the first and only one in world history to be able to compete on an equal footing with world behind-the-scenes capitalism and, unlike everyone, he really had something to oppose to their system. despite the fact that it was impossible not to intimidate not to manipulate not to buy! and having practically unlimited possibilities and resources, he really could achieve a lot of things.! of course, he caused genuine irritation among the latter, to put it mildly) so much so that even after so many years he hiccups even when his name is mentioned)) but what is there. if similar personalities were in power in the 80s-90s, and not these thoroughly rotten and corrupt woes of the receiver, then we wouldn’t even talk about the collapse of the communist system! and instead of endless wars in Yugoslavia, Iraq, Syria, Libya, and now Ukraine, as before, I would still see all the same cookies and butter in my face))
  • Altona
    Altona 18 June 2016 16: 12
    +4
    Quote: bulvas
    I remember how my friend, a chemistry teacher, reasoned:
    - now I am the secretary of the school party committee, I have nothing
    - the first secretary of the district committee, he can travel to the cap of the country and exchange so many rubles for currency
    - second - so many
    - and the secretaries of the regional / regional committee - as many as the first regional committee - as much as they want

    - I will make my way to the secretaries - I will buy clothes in the cap countries and carry you,

    and you will sell if you behave well

    ---------------------
    You have described a typical reincarnation. As a disaffected communist dreams of becoming a shopkeeper. That is, to "capitalize" your career advancement, to make it profitable. This has nothing to do with communism, but has to do with careerism and rebirth. Do you at least analyze your example, and not just throw a story about "roguish communists". It was these degenerates who staged the renaissance of capitalism in the USSR.
  • kotvov
    kotvov 18 June 2016 16: 52
    +6
    So, you went with your communism to hell, enough for us to endure these freaks,
    or maybe you went with your capitalism, all the more so as it has been established in our country.
  • avdkrd
    avdkrd 18 June 2016 21: 28
    +1
    Quote: bulvas
    Well, let's fight on your favorite topic?
    ......
    Too superficial, both the article and your cry of the soul.
    The system (conditionally communist) of the USSR has exhausted itself. This is what you wrote about in your "shout" about the school teacher. The fact that the capitalist system of the world is leading to a dead end
    the same is obvious, especially to economists. Sociologists are generally shocked. In principle, even now the West in general and America in particular have already come close to the model of state regulation of business processes, for which the USSR was criticized. Today the only difference lies in who gets the final profit. In the USSR it was a state, in the USA and in real Russia today it is a corporation. Corporations themselves do not build kindergartens and hospitals (except for purely commercial projects). The corporation should "tilt" the state to meet social needs, and it must be admitted that "now" Russia is coping with this more successfully. In general, the United States has a stillborn system that works "plus" only if there is a printing press and an army capable of imposing the services of this press.
    Communism is currently a utopia, but the principles of the socialist construction of the state, just for Russia, can give the advantage that we lack in the confrontation with the West. The confrontation is predetermined precisely by the capitalist structure of the world economy, but it is Russia that is able to emerge victorious in this war. We do not need a return to the USSR, but it is criminal to write off the country's experience. For all the shortcomings of the Soviet system - it lost in the competition with the West only due to the betrayal of the elites, the system itself is economically more viable than the Western model. Kakly still "saw" what was created by "rotten communists" and did not create anything of their own. You can see how the Baltics are "flourishing" plums for the "cap of crackers" that they got from the USSR.
  • str. 1968
    str. 1968 18 June 2016 22: 08
    +2
    And everything else connected with the USSR side?
    The impression is either you sent Cossacks (only the negative, after all, there are more freaks), or you react "correctly" to the informational attitudes of our stupid enemies (everything was bad).
    If we take it statistically, then in the USSR it was more comfortable for many to live.
  • Vasily Krylov
    Vasily Krylov 19 June 2016 01: 37
    +1
    Young man, you, like so many others, confuse the very idea of ​​communism with "communists", I didn't put this word in quotes for nothing, because now they are "United Russia" tomorrow it will be something else, as for the article, definitely a plus. I wrote in 1993, so there are at least two of us in this country. Best regards, Krylov.
  • Skif83
    Skif83 19 June 2016 08: 04
    +4
    It's not the ideology of communism, but those who perverted it.
    Communism, as Stalin built it, is close to me. Khrushchev communism - I hate it.
    By the way, Stalin was killed for this, because he wanted to put production workers and managers at the helm of the country (not to be confused with the current managers), and the party should only be engaged in ideology.
    But how, power is taken away from fungalikers like a khrushcheta !?
    There is no need to interfere with communism and the party in one heap; communism is a formation, a system that, ideally, implies equal opportunities for everyone with public ownership of the means of production. And the party is just people who can pervert anything!
    The article is somewhat naive, but there is a point that I never miss:
    I am 34 years old, and I managed to catch the Soviet Union. I remember well how I stood in lines for milk and bread, I did not forget the empty stalls in stores, decorated with pyramids of cans of sea kale, crush in public transport
    ... Unfortunately, the generation of peers in the article recalls only what has been found in recent years by the Gorbachev bacchanalia. They do not know and did not see that literally 7-8 years ago the country lived differently, there were no empty counters, there were queues, but they are comparable with the current ones.
    I'm not trying to idealize the USSR, but you need to understand that the Khrushchev era, and the Brezhnev era, were in power in the majority of EXACT party functionaries, and not so necessary for the country managers with production, scientific and other experience. Therefore, in GUM there were kilometer-long queues for Finnish, French and other "difsit", and in the Selmag of Margelan (Uzbekistan) all this hung freely and lay on the shelves, because it was not in demand there.
    Actually, the same thing happened in all other sectors.
    How many books Khrushch wrote - 4 volumes of "Memoirs", i.e. their heroic adventures? And Brezhnev - "Malaya Zemlya", "Virgin Land", "Renaissance", in other words, also memoirs-adventures?
    And Stalin - 13 volumes of scientific work! Those. man, no, not so, Man thought how to do better, how to raise a country, how to build, what to build, how to educate. Stalin had strategic goals for the years to come, so they could not and can completely destroy the Khrushchev’s building, which had not yet arrived later. And the books of Stalin, ka and his affairs, not idle talk, but EXACTLY BUSINESS!
    Some of the subsequent leaders wrote at least a tenth of this topic?
    If the people who manage the GREAT EMPIRE OF RUSSIA do not have their own, I emphasize their own vision of the future of the country, have no long-term strategic goals (except how to fill their pockets and give them to fill their retinue, the so-called “eat”, what fair system can they build ?
    From here everything that flows, the structure of the Elnoids, by and large does not change, the characters at the top change. Therefore, by and large, the situation and condition of the people does not change ...
  • Guardsman
    Guardsman 19 June 2016 08: 44
    -3
    Do not be very offended by the neo-adepts of the "Komunestichegokuda" sect for the abundance of cons wink , unfortunately their number on this resource is off scale
  • gav6757
    gav6757 19 June 2016 13: 05
    0
    And where does the respected bulvas have such knowledge about different secretaries?
    It makes you think, or a man tells a joke, or he is an oracle!
    And, about who and where went ... so then we are already returning, and you have to go !!!
  • gav6757
    gav6757 19 June 2016 13: 19
    +3
    Of course, someone likes Yeltsin more!
    1. Guardsman
      Guardsman 19 June 2016 15: 32
      -1
      Sorry so unharmed EBN, although the former but the party BOSS and not khukhrymukhra but one of the largest industrial regions of the USSR, and it didn’t come from the void but from the womb of the commune where, such a right and such a post entrusted him))))))
  • gav6757
    gav6757 19 June 2016 13: 20
    +4
    You can slightly compare who for what ...
    1. Guardsman
      Guardsman 19 June 2016 15: 19
      -3
      Woof you got a puncture at the very first recount, it became a colony under the communist Gorbachev, another genius from the sect of the commune where the EBN legitimized this, and GDP has been decolonizing since 1999, well, why is it so cheap and brazen to lie, and also commune when ay-i-yay wink not good, however, so there’s no point in reading your diploma
      1. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 21 June 2016 09: 10
        0
        Quote: Guardsman
        Woof you got a puncture at the very first recount, it became a colony under the Communist Gorbachev, another genius from the sect of the commune where the EBN legalized this, and GDP has been decolonizing since 1999, well, why is it so cheap and impudent to lie, and also commune not good however, so there’s no point in reading your diploma

        The problem is that Russia has been a "resource colony" historically, since the time of Ivan the Terrible! What grew / was on the territory of the Central Russian Plain and further to the east was exchanged for "high-tech" products of the West. And what we changed: timber, hemp, grain, fur, oil, steel or gas ... not so important!
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 21 June 2016 09: 02
      0
      Quote: gav6757
      You can slightly compare who for what ...

      Compare, of course, you can ... But not stamps and agitation! Do you have a poster about free education under Stalin and paid education under Putin? And you do not know that under Stalin, tuition in high school was paid? And only under Khrushchev canceled the tuition fees in high school!
      So you just do not own the question and post campaigns which you do not understand? Or obviously lying to us ???
  • Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 19 June 2016 15: 11
    +2
    All that you write about secretaries can be attributed to implementation flaws, questions that need to be answered. As a goal (mission by their name) communism is good. What is bad about the desire to build a society without an obvious lack of capitalism: the war of all against all (which is presented as the basis for development). The West itself with its charms is largely due to concessions to socialism.
    1. Was mammoth
      Was mammoth 19 June 2016 17: 49
      +1
      Quote: IvanIvanov
      What is bad desire ....

      All anti-communism is built on the search for errors and crimes (even real, even invented) during the Soviet period and the heroization of the executioners of the people and their justification. The goal is to discredit the desire for a just and humane society. The main weapon is lies and falsifications.
  • starshina78
    starshina78 19 June 2016 18: 43
    0
    In the late 80s, early 90s, Colonel General Volkogonov (if anyone remembers him, the smartest man) spoke on TV - the author of the books "Trotsky", "Stalin" and "Lenin". He wrote the last one just before his death, and I remember very well the program with his participation, where he announced his book about Lenin. He said then that he was one of the first to be given permission to "dig" in the archive of documents of the Lenin Museum. He talked a lot about the shocks he experienced when reading documents signed by Lenin. So in one of the works, one might say the theorist of communism and socialism, he recognized the impossibility of building communism as such because of economic problems. How!
  • AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 20 June 2016 10: 20
    +1
    Quote: bulvas
    Well, let's fight on your favorite topic?


    I remember how my friend, a chemistry teacher, reasoned:
    - now I am the secretary of the school party committee, I have nothing
    - the first secretary of the district committee, he can travel to the cap of the country and exchange so many rubles for currency
    - second - so many
    - and the secretaries of the regional / regional committee - as many as the first regional committee - as much as they want

    - I will make my way to the secretaries - I will buy clothes in the cap countries and carry you,

    and you will sell if you behave well

    As private property was allowed, all these secretaries were shut up by the main businessmen, and they introduced such an ethics that it is very difficult for honest hard workers from business

    So, you went with your communism to hell, enough for us to endure these freaks


    Well yes! This type - a deaf village, hopelessness and hard drinking! The most important drunkard is a local clerk who thumps, spoils girls, fights for his christening / funeral service and discusses how well he will live when he becomes archpriest in a county ...
    So what does an illiterate peasant think? Well, of course:
    "So, go with your God, where to go, we'll have enough to endure these freaks!"...
  • host
    host 20 June 2016 11: 39
    0
    Watch a lecture on efimovspb.ru
    And you yourself will understand how, who breeds you and where: socialism or capitalism is a classic example.
  • encarcelado
    22 June 2016 08: 11
    0
    The commentator makes the logical mistake of over-generalization. A special case cannot serve as the basis for such global conclusions about the general failure of the communist system.
  • Yak28
    Yak28 18 June 2016 12: 42
    +16
    Why does communism remain a good choice for Russia? Because under communism, Russia flourished and developed, but without communism it degraded wink
    1. shurik
      shurik 18 June 2016 12: 47
      .
      Under communists, Russia was dying.
      1. bulvas
        bulvas 18 June 2016 12: 50
        .
        Quote: Yak28
        Why does communism remain a good choice for Russia? Because under communism, Russia flourished and developed, but without communism it degraded wink



        And with the Communists, it came to the point that the Communists themselves plundered and ruined the country




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        2. siberalt
          siberalt 18 June 2016 13: 50
          +18
          Who do you think the Communists in the USSR who stole the country? In the USSR there were about 20 million members of the CPSU. The vast majority of them are workers and collective farmers, scientists, engineers and technicians, health and education workers, military and law enforcement officials, etc. There was no sense in grabbing millions. There was nothing to spend, and there was no private property. You’ll start to shout, you will come under suspicion and will go to jail with confiscation, and you will steal more than 10 thousand rupees - execution. High level officials are another matter. But even among them there were a thousand times fewer embezzlers than now.
        3. EvgNik
          EvgNik 18 June 2016 14: 18
          +19
          Quote: bulvas
          And with the Communists, it came to the point that the Communists themselves plundered and ruined the country

          They were no longer communists, that’s the thing.
          1. atalef
            atalef 18 June 2016 15: 20
            .
            Quote: EvgNik
            Quote: bulvas
            And with the Communists, it came to the point that the Communists themselves plundered and ruined the country

            They were no longer communists, that’s the thing.

            Zhenya, what is communism in general? Where he was ? Maybe someone will show me the country where this experiment was a success?
            Today, no country that has followed the path of socialism (proclaiming communism to be the final stage of its development) has not only not succeeded, but ended equally.
            1. Collapse of the economy
            2. Degradation of power
            3. Deficit
            4. Border closure
            5 Cult of personality.
            In general, the result of the experiment should be recognized as absolute.
            So - the result of the socialist path of development in all absolutely countries - proved one thing that this is not a viable form in the realities of the path drawn by Marx-Lenin.
            What are you fighting for? For the opportunity to once again step on the same rake and get on the physiognomy?
            Well look at the latest result - Venezuela.
            Nothing like?
            1. gladcu2
              gladcu2 18 June 2016 16: 08
              +5
              atalef

              Well, you give .... Rzhu nmmagu ...

              Yes, you go into your kibbutz and talk with an old-timer. He will tell you more about communism than I do. Israeli kibbutzim is the most that is a model of ACTIVE communism.

              This is necessary. Why didn’t you go to kibbutzim?
              1. atalef
                atalef 18 June 2016 16: 35
                -3
                Quote: gladcu2
                Israeli kibbutzim is the most that is a model of ACTIVE communism.

                Have you been to the kibbutz?
                Do not align the collective farm with the state.
                1. dr.star75
                  dr.star75 18 June 2016 16: 53
                  +2
                  Into account wink .Where do they get water from? Tunnel + And from the desalination plants, where does the energy come from? Desert plants? And where are the rods from?
                  1. dr.star75
                    dr.star75 18 June 2016 17: 05
                    -1
                    Well comrades under the Jewish flag well done. How to discuss garbage, pozhalsta. As a specific issue, it’s offline. In general, literate people. I repeat once again. Israel pumps water from the Arabs.
                    1. atalef
                      atalef 18 June 2016 17: 16
                      0
                      Quote: dr.star75
                      I repeat once again. Israel pumps water from the Arabs.

                      who is this from?
                  2. atalef
                    atalef 18 June 2016 17: 09
                    -2
                    Quote: dr.star75
                    Where are they taking water from? The tunnel + And the one that comes from the desalination plants? NPP? And the rods are from where 7

                    which nuclear power plant?
                    They get water just like everyone else. From the water supply laughing
                    1. dr.star75
                      dr.star75 18 June 2016 17: 15
                      +4
                      The beginning of the water supply-ARABS! Horror! Well, then, you can build an independent agrarian policy, and teach the rest of the "underdeveloped" countries, such as Russia.
                2. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 18 June 2016 17: 08
                  +7
                  atalef

                  It was. But did not like it. Externally. I did not live in a kibbutz. I don’t know the atmosphere. And so the Soviet collective farm. And the Soviet collective farms were very good. Yes, and there were bad ones. It all depends on the leadership.

                  Any large corporation is socialism within capitalism. They provide at least some kind of social protection. After all, it is precisely for this that you go to work.
            2. EvgNik
              EvgNik 18 June 2016 16: 40
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Today, no country that has followed the path of socialism (proclaiming communism to be the final stage of its development) has not only not succeeded, but ended equally.

              Hi Sanya. So then it is. But we will look from the other side. Is capitalism the final stage of human development? That's where the dog rummaged.
              If humanity lingers in its development at this stage, it will be the end of humanity as a whole.
              I don’t care what the next stage will be called, but that it should be close to communism is simply obvious.
              And again, I have the Romanian flag. I begin to quietly hate this state.
              1. atalef
                atalef 18 June 2016 16: 51
                -1
                Quote: EvgNik
                Hi Sanya. So then it is. But we will look from the other side. Is capitalism the final stage of human development? That's where the dog rummaged.

                Hi (again) - no, I think the next stage is socialism with cap. economy (a bit confusing), but not Leninist, not Marxist, but grown out of developed capitalism and the level of self-awareness.
                Socialism of Leninist understanding puts the state above man, concentrating all functions in itself, killing competition. a person’s desire to work, making (forcibly) all equal and, in this concentration of functions, transforming a person into a screw of a machine and not completely trusting him.
                socialism grown out of capitalism is
                According to a GFS survey, 78% of respondents voted against the introduction of unconditional payments to all Swiss citizens.
                If the initiative was adopted, the Swiss could receive monthly funding from the state in the amount of 2,5 thousand Swiss francs (about 2250 euros) for adults and 625 (about 560 euros) for children.

                this is the highest stage of self-awareness.
                this is probably why they live so well - in capitalism.
                1. gladcu2
                  gladcu2 18 June 2016 17: 15
                  +4
                  atalef

                  Yes you are right. Developed capitalism with moderated competition will be socialism.

                  What is competition? Street fight is a competition. War is a competition. Any conflict of interest is competition. Do you like living every day with the feeling of being beaten on the street?

                  No one likes it. So why do you like capitalism?
                  1. atalef
                    atalef 18 June 2016 17: 32
                    -4
                    Quote: gladcu2
                    What is competition? Street fight is a competition. War is a competition. Any conflict of interest is competition. Do you like living every day with the feeling of being beaten on the street?

                    No one likes it. So why do you like capitalism?

                    With such generalizations (ridiculous)
                    we can say that socialism is - who does not work - he eats.
                    Well how? nonsense identical to yours.
                    1. gladcu2
                      gladcu2 18 June 2016 17: 38
                      +3
                      atalef

                      Well, you’ve already switched to spam. Who claims that under socialism, the one who does not work, eats? Or under communism?

                      Each system has its own motivation to work. Only the levels are different.

                      The most primitive level of motivation to work is under capitalism.

                      You reason like a first grader.
                      1. atalef
                        atalef 18 June 2016 17: 44
                        -3
                        Quote: gladcu2
                        The most primitive level of motivation to work is under capitalism.

                        And why did the slave system and feudalism have been forgotten? Or motivation of the overseer whip - already more advanced than in capitalism?
                        Quote: gladcu2
                        You reason like a first grader.

                        Noticed, judging by your previous dictum.
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 18 June 2016 17: 46
                        -5
                        Quote: gladcu2
                        You reason like a first grader.

                        But where did communism come from? Marx and Engels, why the heck is this foreign system of government. It collapsed because it was alien to our people. Russia must go its own way, and what time it will determine. But certainly not communism. 70 years corrected and good.
                      3. gladcu2
                        gladcu2 18 June 2016 19: 25
                        +4
                        Alexander Romanov

                        You have a low educational level. You even have a simple life experience.

                        It’s too early for you to start making judgments.

                        Marx, Lenin are philosophers in the first place. Philosophy is a science that explains the structure of the world.
                      4. atalef
                        atalef 18 June 2016 19: 35
                        -4
                        Quote: gladcu2
                        Alexander Romanov

                        You have a low educational level. You even have a simple life experience.

                        Sorry, but you seemed to be talking about yourself.
                        Your inventions, except for the GENERAL MORAL - personally invented by you, do not contain anything.
                        And about life experience, based on your fairy tales about the USSR - I’m generally at a loss
          2. avva2012
            avva2012 18 June 2016 16: 59
            +2
            Quote: EvgNik If humanity lingers in its development at this stage, it will be the end of humanity as a whole.
            I don’t care what the next stage will be called, but that it should be close to communism is simply obvious.

            Capitalism is the body, the ego, this is the "king of the hill" where instincts rule over reason.
            Socialism, through proper education, social (albeit relative) equality, is the next stage in development. He is just fairer. The egoism of an individual is adjusted by society. That is, socialism is already turning to the rational soul. Communism, this appeal is already to the spirit. Whether humanity can reach such a level is not known. BUT, for 70 years, it’s definitely not possible.
        4. ILDM1986
          ILDM1986 18 June 2016 18: 17
          +5
          well, let’s say not a single social country had that inflow of dough from outside like Israel. On the contrary, these countries fell into international isolation, trade ceased with them, and US military bases were created at the borders. When the socialist countries began to build up armed forces for self-defense, hysteria about the evil communists began. The very USSR from the beginning of its existence was under the threat of direct invasion, first intervention, then the Great Patriotic War, then the Cold War. Do you seriously think that the USSR should open the garrison? Let enemy spies and their citizens go free to be recruited? Are you letting the Arabs in yourself? Do not tell tales.
          And what is wrong with a personality cult? envy that in Russia there are rulers worthy of respect? From 17 to 41 years old, the USSR jumped for more than 50 years in the development of industry, education, and science in conditions of international isolation! And what did the Russian Federation do from 1991 to 2016? Despite the fact that borders were opened, high oil prices, loans were given, I do not want to. And where did everything go? plundered, collapsed, sold and drank. Under capitalism, the ruling class serves the interests of the oligarchy, and under communism / socialism, the working class. And why should the oligarchs invest in the development of the Russian Federation, if it is easier to cut and sell all the plants instead of modernization for scrap, and to quickly cut down the loot into the same oil industry or export to England.
          The only significant drawback of the USSR is the degradation of power, hence the collapse of the economy and, as a consequence, the deficit. But to conclude from this that communism is evil is simply stupid. There are democratic elections in Ukraine for 20 years, but there’s nothing good and there’s nothing, as swindlers and thieves have come to power, they’re still coming.
          1. atalef
            atalef 18 June 2016 18: 27
            -2
            Quote: ILDM1986
            well, let’s say not a single social country had that inflow of dough from outside like Israel

            ??
            Quote: ILDM1986
            On the contrary, these countries fell into international isolation, trade ceased with them, and US military bases were created at the borders.

            Who stopped trading with them?
            Quote: ILDM1986
            The very USSR from the beginning of its existence was under the threat of direct invasion, first the intervention, then the Great Patriotic War, then the Cold War. Do you seriously think that the USSR should open the garrison?

            Borders were open for foreigners, but not for their citizens
            Quote: ILDM1986
            and let their citizens go to be recruited?

            The USSR was always afraid and did not trust its citizens
            Quote: ILDM1986
            Cossacks do not tell.
            And what is wrong with a personality cult?

            Everything is OK, the North Koreans agree with you the same.
            Quote: ILDM1986
            envy that in Russia there are rulers worthy of respect?

            Envy can only be the standard of living of citizens, and then the rulers then envy?
            Quote: ILDM1986
            Under capitalism, the ruling class serves the interests of the oligarchy, and under communism / socialism, the working class

            Oh well
            Quote: ILDM1986
            . And why should the oligarchs invest in the development of the Russian Federation, if it is easier to cut and sell all the factories instead of modernization for scrap, and to quickly cut down the loot into the same oil industry or export to England.

            Envy rulers, shout laughing
            Quote: ILDM1986
            The only significant drawback of the USSR is the degradation of power, hence the collapse of the economy and, as a consequence, the deficit.

            All that is nothing. The country was ruined
            Quote: ILDM1986
            But to conclude from this that communism is evil is simply stupid

            Give an example of a country - where communism is good and I agree with you
            Quote: ILDM1986
            There are democratic elections in Ukraine for 20 years, but there’s nothing and no sense, as the prokhindy and thieves came to power, they’re coming.

            Well, how without Ukrainians laughing
            1. ILDM1986
              ILDM1986 18 June 2016 20: 44
              +4
              1.what is "????" The USA won't give you money? not invested in your defense industry? Where did they get the money for industry and agriculture? What are you fighting for, how do you collect money in Ukraine by SMS?
              2. The United States dealt with the USSR only with gritted teeth - they have a great depression, crisis, unemployment there. loot needed, but there was nowhere to take. and the USSR needed technology, machine tools, specialists. But there was a trade and naval blockade, a "golden blockade", a credit blockade, various restrictions, duties or bans on the import of goods from the USSR due to "Soviet dumping", etc. Or would you say it was not?
              Is the blockade of Cuba and North Korea also an invention?
              3. And what is North Korea? And that "You can only envy the standard of living of citizens, and why should the rulers envy" is this what? Tell me specifically, what are the disadvantages of respecting citizens of their leader? The ruler, under whom 70% of the country received LITERACY (that is, it is corny to read and write!), Built an industry, improved living conditions? in which the country survived the most terrible war WITH ALL EUROPE, by the way, and saved your God-chosen lives? Do you think people are so stupid that they didn't notice the difference between 17 and 41 years old? seriously, do you think that Stalin is not worthy of respect for this?
              4. so what's with the Arabs going to the UAE, Syria? that you don’t trust your citizens? Oh no no no sad
              5. So there are no such countries - destroyed by the capitalists. Trade and economic blockades, involvement in an arms race, isolation from modern achievements of science and technology.
              6. and then generally a stream of smiles and emoticons. Nothing to answer? Does the capitalist government act exclusively in the interests of the people? Well, maybe it works in Europe, but third world countries — raw materials and agricultural appendages — exist only to suck out juices from them. Accordingly, the government of these countries is forced to act in the interests of transnational corporations, and if they are against it, they impose sanctions, no matter what the reason is an undemocratic government, oppression of the LGBT community, barrel barrels, test tubes with washing powder. You can adjust the AUG to the shores of the Papuans, help determine.
              7. Ruined because there was no normal leadership. There is not even one, but a combination of reasons. In agriculture, we started with corn and ended up converting collective farms into state farms. In industry, the requirement to reduce the cost was transferred to the quality control department to the shops. And this despite the fact that they were distributing money to everyone, spending money on the military-industrial complex. At the same time, the standard of living of people in the 80s remained at the level of 60-70s. The desire to have what the industry could not provide, contributed to the introduction of the bourgeois worldview among the masses. The state became universal, which means that no one was responsible for anything, it was possible to break, steal, release a marriage, but who cares, the article "sabotage" was canceled, no one can dismiss, even the chief can be sent in 3 letters. Everything has become free, but you get used to the good and don't notice. But from the "west" everything went only the best - not because there was nothing bad, but because the country simply did not have the currency to buy trash. Already no one remembered RI and its "charms": the barracks in which the workers lived, the beating of soldiers by the officers, mass starvation that mowed down the population of the villages. It seemed to everyone that they could not work and have everything, and then the state supervisor decided to "merge" the country - after all, in London, as you know, it is better than in Moscow. The upper and lower classes wanted changes, so they got what they wanted - some golden mountains, others into legalized slavery. So the state is already slowly cutting social programs, and it would be better if Dyukov or Miller's fees were cut.
              8. And where without Ukraine is a brilliant example of democracy and capitalism! Right under your nose it smells fragrant with all its aromas. There you will find Nazis, fascists, civilian genocide, coup d'etat, banditry, corruption.
    2. AllXVahhaB
      AllXVahhaB 21 June 2016 09: 20
      +1
      Quote: bulvas
      And with the Communists, it came to the point that the Communists themselves plundered and ruined the country

      Are the Communists? And as far as they were communists ... That's something I did not notice among the oligarchs, and just very wealthy children, neither the descendants of Stalin, nor the descendants of Brezhnev ... But the children and grandchildren of the EBN - pzhlst! Plus, all this shobla, which only covered itself with party and Komsomol tickets - such as the Berezovsky \ Khodorkovsky and others like them ... That's why under Stalin social elevators worked so flawlessly - such shots did not stay in their places for a long time!
      What do you think: what would have happened to Serdyukov under Stalin? And how would his children and grandchildren scream about the unfairly repressed grandfather and the "bloody Putin regime" ???
  • Yak28
    Yak28 18 June 2016 12: 56
    +15
    Under the Communists, Russia was a superpower, Russia was at the peak of its military and political power in its history. Under the Communists, Russia won the most terrible and bloody war in the history of mankind.
    If in your opinion Russia has died, then why on the world map was and is a country called Russia.
    1. shurik
      shurik 18 June 2016 13: 08
      .
      If in your opinion Russia has died, then why on the world map was and is a country called Russia.

      But before the Bolsheviks it was not Russia, but Russian empire.
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 18 June 2016 13: 20
        +10
        No need to lie !!! The Russian Empire is a state that existed from October 22 (November 2), 1721 until the February Revolution and the proclamation of the republic in 1917 by the Provisional Government. Until 1721 there were both Russia and Kievan Rus and the Old Russian state, and dinosaurs say lived on the planet laughing
    2. atalef
      atalef 18 June 2016 15: 23
      .
      Quote: Yak28
      Under the Communists, Russia was a superpower, Russia was at the peak of its military and political power in its history. Under the Communists, Russia won the most terrible and bloody war in the history of mankind.

      If everything was so good, then did the country fall apart so quickly?
      why were there no shit in the shops?
      Why no one believed in all these congresses? Not well, maybe someone believed, but I didn’t see such
      Why the collapse of capitalism has been predicted for 100 years, and for now, which social country you don’t take, everywhere is full of priests.
  • There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 18 June 2016 13: 22
    -8
    School fool
  • voronbel53
    voronbel53 18 June 2016 14: 00
    +4
    And now, using all the former developments of the "hated" system, we are twitching towards an all-out degrading cataraxisum. Well, who will be responsible for all this? .. Communism has nothing to do with it ...
  • EvgNik
    EvgNik 18 June 2016 14: 16
    +19
    Quote: Shurik
    Under the communists, Russia was dying.

    Now, with the oligarchs, everyone is slowly dying. Ukraine is for sure.
  • yuriy55
    yuriy55 18 June 2016 14: 48
    +6
    Quote: Shurik
    Under the communists, Russia was dying.


    Yes, really ... But in Ukraine they ate fat in chocolate laughing
  • kotvov
    kotvov 18 June 2016 17: 23
    +7
    Under the communists, Russia was dying. ,,
    especially the Baltic states and Ukraine. so they died that they consumed more than they produced.
  • Ivan Ivanov
    Ivan Ivanov 19 June 2016 17: 49
    +3
    Quote: Shurik
    Under communists, Russia was dying.

    Urgently remember the revival of the 90s. Boys and girls dreaming of becoming racketeers and prostitutes respectively. Reality as a whole is well described by brother 1,2 and the brigade.
  • Abbra
    Abbra 18 June 2016 12: 50
    +14
    ... under communism, Russia flourished and developed ... So, from now on in more detail. So when was communism in Russia?
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 18 June 2016 13: 10
      +3
      When the Communist Party was at the helm of the Soviet Union then there was communism, or socialism, it can be interpreted differently, but having slandered its history and abandoned the communist ideology, Russia profiled its greatness and fell to its knees to the joy of the winner. Now we silently envy the United States, which has been ruling for 25 years planet and do what they want wink
      1. Abbra
        Abbra 18 June 2016 13: 17
        +7
        No, dear ... Let’s interpret it based on real knowledge and, if you like, science. COMMUNISM in Russia (USSR) never happened.
      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 18 June 2016 14: 23
        +7
        For yak28
        This is what education today means. If in Soviet times the Communist Party was in power, then there was communism in the country. It is a shame for the elementary illiteracy of some of the site visitors. If only they would not be dishonored by expressing their supposedly "smart" thoughts.
      3. gladcu2
        gladcu2 18 June 2016 17: 32
        +8
        Yak28

        You mixed everything. To conduct a conversation you need to use the terms correctly.

        Socialism is a society of equal opportunities.

        Capitalism - the economic system justifies the right to enrich units due to the impoverishment of the majority.

        Communism is a social system of an educated and moral society in the absence of a monetary system.

        The word communism means ideology and social order. Two different things that are confused. And there is a misunderstanding.

        Ideology is a changed morality.
        Fascism, Zionism, Communism. This is ideology.

        Capitalism is not an ideology. This is an economic system.

        All devices of the world, the state of the people are based on MORAL. Changing morality can restore the state or destroy it.

        Changing morality can restore or destroy the economy, the economic system.

        Capitalism is based on biblical morality. The Bible, all absolutely covenants were not given by God. They were created by man to create a society.

        Biblical morality is a thing of the past. Technogenic pragmatics are replacing. Based on the physical laws of nature that do not allow lies.

        Biblical morality created all conditions for lies. Because it demanded living honestly, but at the same time a smaller part of violating morality received power and advantages. Remember that capitalism is not justified justice.

        Technogenic morality will never allow a lie, because the processes stop.
  • weksha50
    weksha50 18 June 2016 12: 56
    +14
    Quote: Yak28
    under communism, Russia flourished and developed, and without communism, it degraded


    There has never been communism either in Russia or in the USSR ... Nikita promised to build it by the beginning of the 80s, but his experience was unsuccessful ...

    But under socialism - a step towards communism - yes, the USSR - in general, geopolitical macro-indicators - yes, it flourished ...
    1. shurik
      shurik 18 June 2016 13: 13
      .
      the USSR - in general, geopolitical macro-indicators - yes, it flourished ...

      Did people bloom the same?
      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 18 June 2016 14: 16
        +18
        Quote: Shurik
        the USSR - in general, geopolitical macro-indicators - yes, it flourished ...

        Did people bloom the same?

        People lived normally, there was work, there was a salary, paid on time. In the USSR, the minimum wage was 90 rubles, while the rent was 5 rubles. (for 20 m2 of living room area, the area of ​​other premises of the apartment was not paid), milk 28 kopecks., bread for 1 kg 14 kopecks. black, 25 kopecks sliced ​​loaf of 0,5 kg, sausage 2,2 rubles., cheese 2,6 rubles., sugar 1 RUB. Vacation was paid on average, but if there was a change in salary, then the calculation was made for the new salary. Railway ticket to Moscow (1000 km) 14 rubles. vacation package 12 r. -20r.
        And now compare with the current minimum wage - paid for the apartment and is there enough black bread with water, and far away with the minimum wage you will go on vacation?
        The story of the sausage is just angry. For coupon 0,5 kg, respectively, for a family of 3's 1,5 kg
        Today sausages are piled up, but out of the whole variety there are 2-3 grades without soy according to the recipe, in fact it’s not a fact. There is no business without deception. Queues Yes, someone sowed a panic, grandmother took the line from dawn. Why is it asking? The coupon will still be rewarded. Obviously someone needed to escalate the situation. I lived at that time. You lead the children to the kindergarten, at the store crowd. The coupons were taken away when there was no queue, and always all the coupons were taken. Now they are reproaching these lines, obviously those who organized them. In order not to think that there is not enough work in the country, that people agree to unfavorable conditions only because they need to live on something. Any employee would prefer a decent salary, white, social package. There is really no work. Statistics figures do not reflect the real situation. The allowance is 850 p. not even enough to travel, so people are not registered with the employment center. Announced vacancies in the employment center are mostly fake, i.e. HR officers advertise for possible vacancies, but they really stupidly collect resumes and put them in a bundle. Until you go to the boss you will not get a job. I have something to compare. As for the lines, that’s how they are now, huge lines of thrown bank depositors, they are not driven by panic, they are driven by need. Before you spit on the past, look at the present.
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 June 2016 15: 31
          -9
          Quote: olimpiada15
          People lived normally, there was work, there was a salary, paid on time. In the USSR, the minimum wage was 90 rubles, while the rent was 5 rubles.

          What about apartments?
          Quote: olimpiada15
          The story of the sausage is just angry. For coupon 0,5 kg, respectively, for a family of 3's 1,5 kg

          But I don’t have enough, 500gram of sausage for a month, I want more.
          Quote: olimpiada15
          Yes, someone sowed a panic, grandmother took the line from dawn. Why is it asking? The coupon will still be rewarded.

          Yes, I remember received coupons
          refrigerator - one for 15 years, a TV -one for 10 years
          The wall - one at 15 years, etc. etc. (Len.obl, 1991g) - I still thought, are they going to keep us like cattle for so many years?
          But I see - someone liked it
          Quote: olimpiada15
          Benefit in 850 p. not even enough to travel, so people are not registered with the employment center. Announced vacancies in the employment center are mostly fake, i.e. HR officers advertise for possible vacancies, but they really stupidly collect resumes and put them in a bundle. Until you go to the boss you will not get a job. I have something to compare. As for the lines, that’s how they are now, there are huge lines of thrown bank depositors, they are not driven by panic, they are driven by need.

          I wonder why in developed cap.countries and coupons there are no queues from the thrown bank depositors?
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 18 June 2016 17: 43
            +4
            atalef

            So the refrigerator did not break under the USSR. Or do you like to buy a new refrigerator every 5 years.

            Well, what are you bullshit every time?
            1. atalef
              atalef 18 June 2016 17: 51
              -4
              Quote: gladcu2
              So the refrigerator did not break under the USSR.

              Of course not laughing

              Quote: gladcu2
              Or do you like to buy a new refrigerator every 5 years.

              I love to buy it when - when I want, and not then - when they gave me a ticket.
              Quote: gladcu2
              Well, what are you bullshit every time?

              Be healthy.
              1. gladcu2
                gladcu2 18 June 2016 17: 56
                +4
                atalef

                Stop your Zionist things on people to test.?

                What coupons were during the USSR? What are you kidding people?

                All that you write is either half-lie or absolutely false. Stop, don't dishonor your flag.

                They want to see a person in you, and not the Zionists.

                Zionism is an ideology based on the violation of general morality, allowing to achieve power
            2. Was mammoth
              Was mammoth 18 June 2016 18: 55
              +1
              Nooo! He changes walls every week. wink
    2. atalef
      atalef 18 June 2016 15: 24
      -9
      Quote: weksha50
      But under socialism - a step towards communism - yes, the USSR - in general, geopolitical macro-indicators - yes, it flourished ...

      the country cannot flourish if if the people spent half their lives waiting in lines for, an apartment, a car, grub.
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 18 June 2016 17: 49
        +6
        atalef

        When I left the USSR. I really wanted to go back to that country until 1986.

        I would stand in queues all my life. Therefore, in order to survive in other countries I had to work from 260 to 320 hours a month. For 5 years and without vacation.

        What is an hour, two a week queue at 40 hour work week?

        Yes, and this is a technical question. Everything could be redone.
        1. atalef
          atalef 18 June 2016 18: 06
          -5
          Quote: gladcu2
          When I left the USSR. I really wanted to go back to that country before 1986.

          so go back to North Korea.
          What is your difference? In Canada, took root and take root there
          Quote: gladcu2
          I would stand in lines all my life

          Then to Venezuela
          Quote: gladcu2
          Therefore, in order to survive in other countries I had to work from 260 to 320 hours a month. For 5 years and without vacation.

          So what ? Work and enjoy the fruits of your labor

          Quote: gladcu2
          What is an hour, two a week queue at 40 hour work week?

          If by working 320 hours a month you have not reached the level of the USSR 1986, then the question is, why do you even live there?
          1. gladcu2
            gladcu2 18 June 2016 18: 52
            +1
            atalef

            Because the standard of living of the USSR is not possible to achieve. Different economic systems.

            Canada, one of the few countries with social protection similar to the USSR. With a highly moral society. Is it necessary to remind about photographs of money piled in a heap on a broken turnstile in the subway. People seeing that the turnstile was broken, made a payment to leave money on the flat surface of the machine. Everyone understood that everything had to be paid. This is moral. And this is Canada.

            North Korea has no resources and is in complete economic blockade. It was able to independently develop nuclear weapons and rocket launchers. Israel would hardly have been able to do something like that. Your moral is not the same.
            1. atalef
              atalef 18 June 2016 19: 09
              -4
              Quote: gladcu2
              This is moral. And this is Canada.

              This is CAPITALISM
              Quote: gladcu2
              North Korea has no resources and is in complete economic blockade. It was able to independently develop nuclear weapons and rocket launchers. Israel would hardly have been able to do something like that. Your moral is not the same.


              Well, finally remembered from morality, but somehow you’ll cheat on yourself.
              laughing
  • atalef
    atalef 18 June 2016 15: 13
    -4
    Quote: Yak28
    Why does communism remain a good choice for Russia? Because under communism, Russia flourished and developed, but without communism it degraded

    Well, it flourished so much that it collapsed in an instant.
  • atalef
    atalef 18 June 2016 15: 53
    .
    Quote: Yak28
    Why does communism remain a good choice for Russia? Because under communism, Russia flourished and developed, but without communism it degraded

    The Communists plunged the country into a civil war and then, having kept the people in promises, they destroyed it, taking all the wealth into their hands.
    Or am I missing something?
  • Bayonet
    Bayonet 18 June 2016 20: 47
    -6
    Quote: Yak28
    Because under communism, Russia flourished and developed, and without communism, it degraded

    And what was communism already ??? How did I miss it! At first he believed when Nikita promised (he was young, stupid), then he waited all, waited ... worked, received certificates ... and waited.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 19 June 2016 06: 22
      -1
      Quote: Bayonet
      ..and waited.

      Judging by the minuses, at least four saw something else there, or maybe they came in a single region. Do not blame me, but did not hear, did not hear ... smile hi
  • shurik
    shurik 18 June 2016 12: 44
    .
    Why is communism a good choice for Russia?

    God forbid that this would happen again.
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 18 June 2016 14: 42
      +9
      Quote: Shurik
      God forbid that this would happen again.

      For Ukraine it will not happen again, this can already be said with confidence. Unless you choose Savchenko as president.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 18 June 2016 12: 50
    +10
    Join the Communist Party, one or another.

    I don’t understand, which one is this, which is different? For example, only the Communist Party of the Russian Federation is known to me today (as a pseudo receiver of the CPSU, which has nothing to do with it). If the author suggests joining any of the existing parties, rather than Com., Then it is foolish to make such proposals for one simple reason - you can join guano (one way or another), and a party means a community of like-minded people and a program that must be accepted with one’s heart and head.
    1. dauria
      dauria 18 June 2016 14: 02
      +6
      and a party means a community of like-minded people and a program that must be adopted with heart and head


      I pulled out laughter for the sake of party programs. I propose to guess which one? To go nuts, as all parties are ready for me, a fool, to please with all my heart .... laughing
      By the way, the current Communists are quite loyal to private ownership of the means of production. wassat

      - stop the extinction of the country, restore benefits for large families, recreate a network of public kindergartens, provide housing for young families;

      - nationalize Russia's natural wealth and strategic sectors of the economy, use the incomes of these sectors in the interests of all citizens;

      - return to Russia from foreign banks state financial reserves, use them for economic and social development;

      - break the system of total fraud during the elections;

      - create a truly independent judiciary;

      - increase the efficiency of the public administration system, reduce the number of officials, expand the rights of labor collectives and trade unions;

      - create conditions for the development of small and medium enterprises;

      - ensure the accessibility of cultural goods, stop the commercialization of culture, protect Russian culture as the basis of the spiritual unity of multinational Russia, and the national cultures of all the peoples of the country;

      - to protect society from propaganda of vulgarity and cynicism in the media, to provide access to the state media of all political forces operating within the framework of the law, to stop the denigrating of Russian and Soviet history;

      - take the most decisive measures to suppress corruption and crime, stop the practice of artificial bankruptcies, and block raider attacks;

      - Strengthen the country's defense capability, legislate the inadmissibility of the use of the Armed Forces against the people, the creation of a hired army of capital defenders, expand social guarantees for military personnel and law enforcement officials;
      1. gladcu2
        gladcu2 18 June 2016 18: 40
        +2
        dauria

        All these enhance and improve, complete nonsense. Not to raise and improve, but to create conditions for self-organized improvement.

        As the meter cap of the economy said. You need to make sure that people themselves bring money to you.

        So the Communists must create a situation in such a way that corruption would disappear on its own. It is necessary to make society based on the principles of self-organization.

        All these programs have never disclosed the methods of embodiment, and therefore are only a declaration.
      2. Bayonet
        Bayonet 19 June 2016 06: 40
        0
        Quote: dauria
        By the way, the current communists are quite loyal to private property

        Those also portrayed loyalty - under the NEP. And everyone knows how it ended.
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 18 June 2016 12: 51
    +6
    After three hundred years, it will be necessary to talk about communism, what was good and what was bad, as well as about Stalin, by the way. Descendants will appreciate. And now we do not see beyond our own nose. There is no objectivity and cannot be, little time has passed. I can give a hundred examples in each direction, and WHAT?
  • weksha50
    weksha50 18 June 2016 12: 54
    +16
    Hmm ... The author of the article is young but wise enough ...

    In general, I agree with his reasoning ...
    By the way, his version of communism is confirmed by the slightly failed official communism in Switzerland, and only their rational thinking stopped them on this path ...

    As for joining the current Communist Party - as the author says - in any ... Now, there is a discrepancy: we only have them in Russia ... And I personally don't like it ... That is, again everyone throws slogans about to attract supporters (I hate the word "electorate" - it is - a synonym "", "cattle") ... Slogans - slogans, but people of action, and even more so - a patriotic action among these klikush - NO ... Again craving for power and inept management of the masses ...

    And again the age-old Russian question arises: "What to do?", Which does not give a real answer ...

    However - to the author for such an article - not only a plus, but also respect from the old to the young ... Russia has not disappeared from the generation of Pepsi and Cola ... hi
    1. cyberhanter
      cyberhanter 20 June 2016 14: 15
      0
      Here the problem is not only and not so much of joining soaring for the sake of ballast, but of joining parties in order to start changing them. Other "communist parties" except the Communist Party of the Russian Federation have no power, and the Communist Party of the Russian Federation itself "stagnated" :(
  • cyberhanter
    cyberhanter 18 June 2016 12: 56
    +15
    However, this does not cast a shadow on the very idea of ​​communism, since the problems of communism in the USSR are problems of the growth of a new system in a hostile environment

    Golden words
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  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 18 June 2016 13: 03
    +19
    Great article. Everything is stated correctly and clearly.
    I didn’t even expect such a view from a man who forced the end of the socialist period in preparation for the collapse of the country.
    The most valuable thing in this article is that the author sees the deficiency of the existing economic system. And he draws conclusions based on an analysis of the current situation.
    Usually the older generation is reproached for idealizing the past, because were young and want to return youth. Of course, this is a propaganda trick. No one can return youth and a wise person does not try to do it. The older generation wants young people happiness, which means that people can find themselves in this life, they can use their abilities and talents, so that they can be grandchildren and grow up healthy and smart.
    Remembering socialism, we see the main thing that was in that system. And we see that the best of those times was lost. I am neither for red nor for white. I just want the country to live and develop, so that new generations of free people live and be happy in it.
    But the author is right, a different economic model is needed, this model leads to global dependence on external forces that, whatever they say, are not interested in Russia's development, they only need a source of resources that they lack for personal happiness and development.
    I support the idea of ​​a communist movement - this can unite the country.
    To the author of the article from me ++++++.
    1. bulvas
      bulvas 18 June 2016 13: 22
      .
      Quote: olimpiada15
      Great article. Everything is stated correctly and clearly.


      Yeah. For idio ... you know who


      1. olimpiada15
        olimpiada15 18 June 2016 14: 25
        +15
        Quote: bulvas
        Quote: olimpiada15
        Great article. Everything is stated correctly and clearly.


        Yeah. For idio ... you know who

        Are you talking so negatively to yourself?
        People living in the USSR can compare this and this life, they are witnesses.
        And you are only a victim of propaganda. Do not be sad, life will teach and make you grow wiser.
        1. region58
          region58 18 June 2016 14: 41
          +5
          Quote: olimpiada15
          Do not be sad, life will teach and make you grow wiser.

          Unfortunately not always. Some remain children until old age (if we put it politically correct and tolerant).
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  • boroda64
    boroda64 18 June 2016 13: 03
    -9
    .
    - first - build
    - well, communism / and not in our country ../
    - and we will look and decide whether it is necessary or not ..
  • VICTOR-61
    VICTOR-61 18 June 2016 13: 04
    +13
    Under communism, the thief and swindlers are more positive than under united Russia, during Brezhnev, I found it getting better every day, but the improvement of all the inhabitants and now the unicorns live, and they don’t give a damn that we are heading for the abyss - and most importantly, the slogan is: MONEY NO BUT YOU HOLD -I personally such patriotism is unnecessary mock people and that interesting many agree
    1. Garris199
      Garris199 18 June 2016 13: 17
      .
      Quote: VICTOR-61
      thief and crooks

      I am begging you. Dragged under Brezhnev only on the way (in the light). They dragged everything that could be carried away. Spare parts, parts, products, clothing. To get something, buy something, get to a good doctor, a car mechanic could only be done by pull. And I also remember the "sausage trains" running from Moscow throughout the country.
      Communism is a product of evolution, and until we become a developed capitalist country (to which we still have cancer before Beijing) we can not even dream of communism.
      1. dauria
        dauria 18 June 2016 16: 55
        +1
        and until we become a developed capitalist country (to which we still have cancer before Beijing) we can’t even dream of communism.


        Bravo !!!! Directly according to Marx - communism will triumph at the same time in the most developed cap. countries. fellow By the way, according to V.I. Lenin ("On the Slogan of the United States of Europe" and "The Military Program of the Proletarian Revolution") victory will be in the only country, the weakest link. wink
        So, will we smoothly "outgrow", or will we stir up the revolution? belay

        She-she ... already tired of the candidates, doctors of philosophical sciences. Where have all these clever men gone? I honestly tried to shove them into the head of their political economy in a technical university ... It would be better if the women squeezed once again. repeat
  • volodya
    volodya 18 June 2016 13: 05
    +5
    We never had communism, it was semi-socialism. But even then, as now, America suited us dirty tricks!
  • sergey2017
    sergey2017 18 June 2016 13: 07
    +4
    Quote: cyberhanter
    However, this does not cast a shadow on the very idea of ​​communism, since the problems of communism in the USSR are problems of the growth of a new system in a hostile environment

    Golden words

    I fully support!
  • ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 18 June 2016 13: 10
    +6
    "... I am 34 years old, and I managed to catch the Soviet Union ..."
    As a terribly talented embryo ?! Marvelous heredity ...
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 18 June 2016 14: 33
      +2
      Quote: ALABAY45
      "... I am 34 years old, and I managed to catch the Soviet Union ..."
      As a terribly talented embryo ?! Marvelous heredity ...



      Somewhere in 1981-82 year of birth ... At the time of the collapse of the USSR, the age of 9-10 years ... And then - the dashing 90s ...

      Hmm ... not Alabai, but Muller ... hi Well, as a last resort - Sherlock Holmes ...
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 18 June 2016 15: 33
        +1
        The collapse, it seems, under Gorbachev began in 1985 ... recourse I, I say, a talented young man ... Prophet, damn it .... belay
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 18 June 2016 20: 28
          0
          Quote: ALABAY45
          The collapse, it seems, under Gorbachev began in 1985 ...



          That bastard only rocked in the 85th began zealously ... Which he completed successfully (for him and his patrons) in the 91st year ...
          1. ALABAY45
            ALABAY45 18 June 2016 21: 47
            0
            And, Vadim, already then, he knew everything about communism .... sad
  • infantry76
    infantry76 18 June 2016 13: 12
    +8
    Lord comrades!
    Everything becomes clear from the formulation of "communism" in the third Program of the CPSU (1961):
    “Communism is a classless social system with a single nationwide ownership of the means of production, complete social equality of all members of society, where along with the comprehensive development of people, productive forces based on constantly developing science and technology will grow, all sources of social wealth will flow in full flow and a great the principle of “from each according to his ability, to each according to his needs”. Communism is a highly organized society of free and conscious workers, in which social self-government will be affirmed, work for the benefit of society will be the first vital need for all, a conscious need, and everyone’s abilities will be used to the greatest advantage for the people. ”
    Now let's think: is this possible now in our country? It seems to me that no. And I would not really want another revolution. The revolt is terrible in Russia! Very scary and bloody!
    I have the honor! soldier
    1. iouris
      iouris 18 June 2016 13: 20
      +3
      So what's scary: riot or revolution?
      1. infantry76
        infantry76 20 June 2016 12: 22
        0
        A revolution in Russia is like rebellion. Both that, and that - bloody. IMHO!
  • Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 18 June 2016 13: 17
    +6
    I am 34 years old, and I managed to catch the Soviet Union. I remember well how I stood in lines for milk and bread, I did not forget the empty shelves in stores decorated with pyramids of cans of seaweed
    This, you are already the time of Gorbachev, with his perestroika, and all the consequences "following" from it, are describing.
    1. Nikolay82
      Nikolay82 18 June 2016 15: 21
      +7
      The last year of the USSR was 86, in 87 it was no longer the USSR, the transition to a new form of life began. Racket, legalization of crooks of all stripes of the cooperative, etc. Gorbachev and Co. actively began to destroy and sell the country.
      1. atalef
        atalef 18 June 2016 15: 55
        .
        Quote: Nikolay82
        The last year of the USSR is 86, in 87 it was no longer the USSR,

        What was it ? Or weren't the very communists in power?
        It is just that socialism in the USSR came to its logical end when oil prices fell - look at Venezuela today, doesn’t it remind you of anything?
        1. Nikolay82
          Nikolay82 18 June 2016 18: 49
          +1
          liberal noodles you can hang up the author's peers. At that time I had a chance to talk with the "communists" who were in the city party committee and the city committee of the Komsomol. These "communists", together with the bandits, began to derail the country, some quite successfully. For you the sign on the door is important, but for me who is behind that door.
  • Igor V
    Igor V 18 June 2016 13: 19
    +26
    "...I'm 34 years old..."
    I immediately wanted to answer: But I am 53 and I saw in the Soviet Union not only turns. This Gorbachev deficit is not associated with the USSR, but with the new Russia of the 90s. A long time ago there was a bunch of evidence that all this was done artificially. As orders came from the very top about raising prices for bread, with the available two-year supply and prospects for a record crop, for example. And the price of bread was the equivalent; other food prices followed. Contrasting a planned economy with a capitalist one is at least ridiculous. It is difficult to imagine any successful enterprise, including a trading one, that works without a plan. The opposition is not planned, but the ownership of the means of production, from where the goals and objectives of the enterprise appear.
  • Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 13: 21
    +16
    I am 44 years old, lived and raised under communism. Childhood and youth were cloudless. We lived in the most beautiful country! And broads such garbage! What do you want to say today? About queues in stores? Survived! From Ukraine stupidly fled in 1992, stayed in the village, learned, served and continue to work! No whining, survived everything! I wish all forum users health and all the best! drinks
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 18 June 2016 13: 36
      -6
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      I am 44 years old, lived and raised under communism. Childhood and youth were cloudless. We lived in the most beautiful country! And broads such garbage! What do you want to say today? About queues in stores? Survived! From Ukraine stupidly fled in 1992, stayed in the village, learned, served and continue to work! No whining, survived everything! I wish all forum users health and all the best! drinks

      Sereg now write you here .... What are you telling them here to "Moscow plankton ..." They will now technically lower you ... "How they were taught and called byd ... m ..)))) They are evil now , after our fans (who taught (write .. naglo-Saxons ..)))) They will persecute us all, the task of the State Department! hi
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 18 June 2016 14: 20
      0
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      lived and raised under communism.

      where was that ??? :-)
    3. AID.S
      AID.S 18 June 2016 14: 32
      +2
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      ... I wish you health and all the best!

      Somewhere I already heard it .. laughing
    4. lesnik1978
      lesnik1978 18 June 2016 15: 36
      0
      You accidentally fled from the city of Stryi, Lviv region !?
  • Brigadier
    Brigadier 18 June 2016 13: 22
    +23
    It is better to live under communism (where man is a friend, comrade and brother to man) than under your filthy capitalism (with its oligarchs, prostitutes, unemployment, homelessness, total poverty, etc.) !!!
  • GUKTU
    GUKTU 18 June 2016 13: 23
    -3
    It simply surprises the stubbornness of the jingoistic patriots blindly believing that GDP has lifted Russia from its knees. Or maybe laid on the shoulder blades? What do forum users think?
  • Kirill
    Kirill 18 June 2016 13: 26
    +21
    Quote: bulvas
    So, you went with your communism to hell, enough for us to endure these freaks

    I wonder about what freaks? I lived in the USSR until I was 35. I didn’t have cool parents, but I received an excellent education, worked for Buran, and had prospects. And now I am a very successful person. But only in the USSR could I reach great career heights if I wanted to. And now, with all the success of my opinion, no one will take an interest in doing nonsense. And when I watch TV, my hair stands on end. Not leaders, but (primarily the economic bloc). You probably about them?
  • sw6513
    sw6513 18 June 2016 13: 27
    +6
    "There are no prerequisites for an economic take-off, which will increase the well-being of the population and re-enable social elevators." - I fully support the author's opinion (regardless of the negative factors). - unfortunately nothing better is expected in the near future ..
  • certero
    certero 18 June 2016 13: 28
    -3
    Quote: Yak28
    Under the communists, Russia was a superpower, Russia was at the peak of its military and political power in its entire history.

    Have you stood in line for food? Well, was it fucking with that superpower, if the people were easily led to any Western clothes and films? In the USSR there was a lot of good, but alas, there was alas more, especially at the end.
    Communism, as an idea, is very attractive to many rational people, even in the same USA in the popular series StarStrek the future is precisely communist. But it is impossible to achieve it without the development of production. That is, until there is a synthesizer, then there will be no communism. Or until all the children are not retrained in boarding schools, like the Stugatskys.
    1. Igor V
      Igor V 18 June 2016 15: 22
      +10
      From an article by the Strugatsky brothers, 1991. "Where are we going to sail?":
      "... Are all the wonders of the future now reduced for us to the window of a sausage department store? Sausage is wonderful, but there is something infinitely miserable in considering it a strategic goal of society. ... abundance of sausages cannot be the crown of the historical process. . "
      1. atalef
        atalef 18 June 2016 15: 58
        -7
        Quote: Igor V
        Are all the wonders of the future now reduced for us to the window of a sausage department store? Sausage is great, but there is something infinitely miserable in considering it a strategic goal of society. ... sausage abundance cannot be the crown of the historical process. "

        You can boil it all down to cobasa.
        My question is, in the West, science, culture, healthcare, the rights of workers and social services did not develop. provision?
        And while the sausage was the same in abundance, like everything else.
        If everything was so good in the socialist countries, why was there no free exit for going abroad? Why did people flee to the West, and not vice versa?
        They do not run from the good.
        1. Igor V
          Igor V 18 June 2016 16: 38
          +7
          The fact of the matter is that the quote is not mine, but the Strugatsky brothers. Already in '91, they realized that besides sausage, the liberals had nothing to offer, and the liberals were on the horse at that time. As for going abroad, do not ask me, I do not need it. Maybe ask yourself, or your relatives? Which for some reason left, although you say that it is impossible. Your people may have fled, and ours is still here.
  • Aleksander
    Aleksander 18 June 2016 13: 31
    .
    A planned economy will be able to direct this released resource to more promising areas - for example, for the construction of new plants

    We remember, we remember these new factories and construction sites and how this resource was "released": VorkutaLAG, BAMLAG, SakhalinLAG, etc., by Order of the NKVD 00447 and the like. The author is there and not a manager (who he works today), but a shovel ...
  • sigdoc
    sigdoc 18 June 2016 13: 35
    +4
    I think it is necessary to correctly combine both socialist and capitalist systems in the country (farms and collective farms, the state plan and market, etc.), take the best from each and depending on the geopolitical situation it will be possible to rely on a stronger one, then the state will be firmly walk on two legs and not ride on one.
    1. Nikolay82
      Nikolay82 18 June 2016 15: 34
      +2
      someone combined this, the countries of Scandinavia (Norway, Sweden, Finland). The economy and social protection were at the highest level, it was only there that tolerance was brought to the point of absurdity and all body movements must be coordinated with the United States.
  • ALEA IACTA EST
    ALEA IACTA EST 18 June 2016 13: 35
    -5
    They built a power according to monarchist blueprints - collapsed, according to socialist ones - collapsed. Need to look for something more sustainable.
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 18 June 2016 13: 42
      +4
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      They built a power according to monarchist blueprints - collapsed, according to socialist ones - collapsed. Need to look for something more sustainable.

      You are our finder ...))))) Washington and London need to finish .. (Tel Aviv, let the Arabs!) And then talk ... hi
      We are Russian tenacious (after the Jews ..)))))))) They are only trickier !!! laughing
      1. ALEA IACTA EST
        ALEA IACTA EST 18 June 2016 13: 54
        +7
        Well, we kill the Anglo-Saxons and the Jews. Will officials steal less from this? Will there be less addicts? Will the roads stop falling apart?
        Quote: CORNET
        We are Russian tenacious (after the Jews ..))))))

        The most enduring people are Koreans and Vietnamese. Only cockroaches are steeper than them.
      2. region58
        region58 18 June 2016 14: 26
        +1
        Quote: CORNET
        Washington and London need to finish ..

        Are you seriously? Read the "dragon" by Schwartz ... The one who killed the dragon himself becomes a dragon ...
  • Makarov
    Makarov 18 June 2016 13: 54
    +7
    Communism in the form in which it existed in the XX century in the USSR was based on the "word of honor" of the party leaders, some of whom were swindlers at different periods of time. The subsequent coming to power of the traitor showed the entire inconsistency of the system and its vulnerability to parasites. This means that a new ideology is needed, a new system of relationships, possibly partly based on communism. To do this, you need to educate a generation with a new mindset, moreover, to do it on the basis of modern technologies, a "correctly" presented history and for the time being completely satisfying the "partners" so that the latent period of preparation for the breakthrough is as invisible as possible ... here is the next generation and will be able to come up with a new form of society's existence. Our task is to organize everything. And communism should be accepted and shown both in a positive way, and not to hide all the negative ... I think so ...
    1. Vladimir 1964
      Vladimir 1964 18 June 2016 14: 15
      0
      Quote: Makarov
      Communism in the form in which it existed in the XX century in the USSR was based on the "word of honor" of the party leaders, some of whom were swindlers at different periods of time. The subsequent coming to power of the traitor showed the entire inconsistency of the system and its vulnerability to parasites. This means that a new ideology is needed, a new system of relationships, possibly partly based on communism. To do this, you need to educate a generation with a new mindset, moreover, to do it on the basis of modern technologies, a "correctly" presented history and for the time being completely satisfying the "partners" so that the latent period of preparation for the breakthrough is as invisible as possible ... here is the next generation and will be able to come up with a new form of society's existence. Our task is to organize everything. And communism should be accepted and shown both in a positive way, and not to hide all the negative ... I think so ...

      An interesting comment, colleague Eugene. soldier
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 18 June 2016 14: 18