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Ukrainian state of murderers and provocateurs: MH-17, Nemtsov ... Who is next?

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Is Ukraine a young democratic state committed to democratic values, or a dangerous terrorist organization comparable to ISIL? In recent years, the opinion of many Western experts on this issue has changed dramatically.


Today, more and more European analysts, political scientists and journalists are inclined to believe that the image of Ukraine as the "eastern citadel of the Euro-Atlantic world" is a screen. Behind the beautiful facade of the “Ukrainian democracy” is hiding a bloodthirsty monster, eager to deliver another blow.

Recently, at least two studies have been published abroad, forcing you to think about the true nature of the Ukrainian political regime. One of them is dedicated to investigating the crash of the MH-17 flight over the Donbas, and the other to the murder of the famous Russian politician Boris Nemtsov. The texts are interesting primarily because their authors are difficult to suspect of love for Russia, which makes them more objective in the eyes of a foreign reader.

In Russian, the content of both works can be found. here и here.

Downed by punitive

One of the main evidence that the MH-17 flight was allegedly destroyed by Donetsk militia was the publication of shots of the Buk anti-aircraft missile system, allegedly made on the territory controlled by the DPR, as well as the launch of a missile made from this weapons. However, according to some authors, the sensational shots were fake. The fact of forgery is indicated by many oddities and inconsistencies.

For example, the Dutch journalist Max van der Werff revealed signs that the shots of the "Boeing" shooting are the product of photomontage.

In addition, there are serious doubts about the authenticity of widely replicated photos of the Buk air defense system in Torez, as well as published on the pages of the French weekly Pari Match. A number of details on these photographs, allegedly made in the territory controlled by the NPT, suggest that they are the result of a compilation of several unrelated images.

And so on and so forth.

The details of the investigations can be found here:
https://7mei.nl/2015/05/18/mh17-buk-launch-photos-are-cheats/;
http://ballingcat-moses.blogspot.com/;
http://www.whathappenedtoflightmh17.com/new-study-shows-buk-videos-are-fake/.

Thus, the fundamentals of the Ukrainian version of events turned out to be a lie and a falsification.

Killer cannon

Who of the representatives of the Ukrainian regime could be responsible for the killing of innocent passengers of the Malaysian "Boeing"?

There are not so many structures in Ukraine that are technically and morally capable of committing inhuman crimes. One of them - the SBU. At least, on representatives of this organization indicates German publicist, former BND intelligence officer Wilhelm Dietl, who was investigating the murder of Russian oppositionist Boris Nemtsov.

The other day Dietl unveiled the results of a study conducted by the international group Ost-Objectiv, which includes former high-ranking officials and employees of special services of Germany, Austria and Norway.

Report authors claimthat the SBU organized the murder of the Russian opposition to provoke unrest in Moscow. One of the main roles in the crime was played by the Ukrainian model Anna Duritskaya, who brought Nemtsov to the scene of the murder, and the “Chechen trace” was put into action by the Ukrainian servants to divert their eyes.

White spots

In the light of the circumstances that have opened up, many questions also raise loud terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, or rather, the reaction of the Ukrainian government to them. It was immediate and monotonous: Russia is to blame for human deaths, Chechen militants took part in organizing the attacks.

Why are Chechens again? What does Russia have to do with murders in Europe? And where does this efficiency come from? In Russia, they used to write off such statements of the Ukrainian side to the inadequacy of Kiev officials, but in this case, their reaction could be quite conscious, and the texts of the speeches were prepared in advance.

Today, the assumption that Kiev is involved in terror in Europe does not look so fantastic. It is obvious that people who are capable, without blinking an eye, to destroy the passenger liner and organize the murder of a famous foreign politician, are unlikely to miss the opportunity to blow up the rich life of European capitals.

Who's next?

History I have not yet known cases when the serial killer stopped voluntarily. Maniac will seek a new victim as long as he does not overtake a fair retribution. And the Kiev authorities are no exception.

The state is a psychopath, the killer regime carefully selects and thinks about its next blow. Where it happens - in prosperous Britain, faraway Canada or the United States itself, is not known. Only corporate signature is known - a joyful exultant exclamation: “Look! Russia did it! ”
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  1. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 05: 38
    +2
    Ukraine is a young democratic state,

    I do not agree! I love Ukrainians! Fascists, Bandera and the junta sincerely hate! IMHO!
    1. Teberii
      Teberii 18 June 2016 05: 43
      +8
      Darkness fell on Ukraine, worse than barbarians.
      1. Nikoha.2010
        Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 05: 47
        +3
        Quote: Teberii
        Darkness fell on Ukraine, worse than barbarians.

        Andrey, everyone is already tired of Ukrainian tricks! Overdid everything, but what's the point? I’m calling, I’m saying, classmates in western Ukraine, everything is great for everyone! One in Slovenia, the second somewhere in the Budapest area. Do not worry Andrey!
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 18 June 2016 05: 51
          +1
          This one is not tired yet ...
      2. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 18 June 2016 05: 51
        -1
        Actually, there have never been any "shots of shooting", you can shoot any Buk anywhere, but there are shots of holes in a 30mm cannon on a Boeing, as well as radar readings. Therefore, the article is a minus ...
        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 18 June 2016 08: 40
          +1
          In the morning on Saturday, cons from the wide Israeli Israeli baneravers? Who would doubt that... laughing
          1. atalef
            atalef 18 June 2016 08: 43
            +1
            Quote: Simpsonian
            In the morning on Saturday, cons from the wide Israeli Israeli baneravers? Who would doubt that... laughing

            A lot of honor.
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 18 June 2016 20: 34
              0
              not selected? laughing look, now the Dutch investigators may have questions ...
        2. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin 18 June 2016 09: 47
          +7
          you can take any Buk anywhere, but there are shots of 30mm gun holes on the Boeing, as well as radar readings.

          The MN-17 case is "sewn with white thread"!
          1. Ukrainian dispatchers corrected his flight closer to the war zone. The recording of dispatchers' conversations, like the dispatchers themselves, surprisingly instantly disappeared. Negotiations of pilots with MN-17 also disappeared.
          2. There were witnesses who saw how MN-17 shot down a military aircraft, even called the name of the pilot. Naturally, they also will not say anything. The launch of an anti-aircraft missile from the ground is accompanied by a deafening explosion, a roar and a column of smoke, it is impossible not to notice, but no one has seen this, no fragments of the rocket were found either, none at all, and the beech rocket is not small, and something exactly should have been found, where 5,5 meters of metal went.
          3. By an unfortunate coincidence, the coloring of the MH-17 exactly coincides with the coloring of the presidential plane of the Russian Federation, which at the same time flew home only not through Ukraine.
          4. The Ukrainians shot down the MN-17 thinking that our president was flying in a hurry, without checking.
          5. The Europeans during the investigation immediately gave the finished result, who, why and why shot down this plane.
          6. Ukpopoxokhlov have a lot of experience in destroying our civilian aircraft, they have already shot down our airliner over the Black Sea (allegedly by mistake), but everyone understands perfectly well that it is IMPOSSIBLE to shoot down an aircraft "by mistake" with an air defense complex! and they got away with it, they didn't even apologize.
          7. The entire investigation of the tragedy of MN-17 from start to finish a political order for Ukroina.
          1. the finish
            the finish 18 June 2016 18: 03
            +1
            A few days before the plane was shot down, my mother-in-law flew with families for a vacation, either to Egypt or to Turkey (not the point). Flying over Ukraine, their airliner was accompanied by 2 military aircraft and so close that all passengers saw them through the windows. I think that they looked closely, trained, chose a target, but there was no reason to shoot down a Russian plane for resonance better than a foreign one. We arrived in surprise telling us why this, and then a few days later this event happened.
          2. Letun
            Letun 18 June 2016 18: 17
            -1
            Quote: sergeybulkin
            3. By an unfortunate coincidence, the coloring of MH-17 exactly coincides with the coloring of the presidential plane of the Russian Federation, which at the same time flew home only not through Ukraine.
            4. The Ukrainians shot down the MN-17 thinking that our president was flying in a hurry, without checking.

            God, again this nonsense ... The controllers specially brought THIS plane into the affected area, but THINKED that they were bringing down Putin's plane ... Well, you yourself then think with your head before writing this nonsense. One more thing. Modern air defense systems are not guided by the coloring of the fuselage of an airplane at all, go outside, lift your head up and try to consider what color the fuselage of an airplane flying at an altitude of 10 m. And by the way, you will see 500 engines in an airplane or 2 from this distance in inverse tracks , and there they saw a similar fuselage color, but did not make out that the plane had two turbines?
            And the saddest thing is that we hear such nonsense not only from sofa iksperds, but also on the channels of central television ...
            1. sergeybulkin
              sergeybulkin 18 June 2016 22: 31
              0
              God, again this nonsense ... Dispatchers specially brought THIS aircraft into the affected area, but THINKED that they were bringing down Putin's plane ...

              Alas, this is not nonsense, this is the only plausible version, but all the rest are just delusions. Well what's the point why bring down a plane for the sake of provocation, it is clear that no one will believe that Russia or the militias shot him down.
              1. Letun
                Letun 20 June 2016 07: 08
                0
                Quote: sergeybulkin
                Alas, this is not nonsense, this is the only plausible version, but all the rest are just delusions. Well what's the point why bring down a plane for the sake of provocation, it is clear that no one will believe that Russia or the militias shot him down.

                Again, turn on your brains and answer the questions that I have outlined. After that, your "only plausible version" will fall apart by itself. They knew which plane they were shooting down, I have no doubt about it, they just shot it down a bit early, they wanted to fall either on the territory of the DPR, or even on the territory of Russia, but even without that the whole world keeps repeating that the Russians were shot down, and your patriotic crap about "the president's plane "is intended only for the crowds of uryakalok, of which on this site mulionne, won and the likes under your nonsense confirm this.
    2. vovanpain
      vovanpain 18 June 2016 05: 52
      +11
      Is Ukraine a young democratic state committed to democratic values, or a dangerous terrorist organization comparable to ISIS?

      All these questions should be asked to the owners of the junta, who are sitting overseas and who need Russia, and Ukraine is just a blind tool for mattresses.
    3. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 18 June 2016 06: 08
      +21
      Quote: Nikoha.2010
      Ukraine is a young democratic state,

      I do not agree! I love Ukrainians! Fascists, Bandera and the junta sincerely hate! IMHO!

      Do not agree what is democratic? I also laughing
      The regime is bloody, cannibalistic, and it is supported. They hate in part of the rise in price of housing and communal services, the fall of the hryvnia, etc., but in part of the intentions of this regime to burn Moscow, the support is comprehensive. yes Are they ready to kill us? Yes, of course. Is it a state of killers and terrorists? Yes, of course.
      Another thing is that now they are dangerous, except for themselves ... And thank God! Believe me, if they are sure that they will ride, which will go unpunished, they will kill. Donbass is an example. Just cowardice in them, no less than hatred, and only for this they do not rush to neighbors.
      And about whether I love Ukrainians ..? No I do not like. I do not love anyone on a national basis. Either respect or not. But respect them for now, not for what ... But to crush, there are more than reasons. yes No, I’m not calling, but stating ...
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 18 June 2016 08: 04
        +2
        Gave damn freedom ..... A good lesson to us!
        1. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin 18 June 2016 10: 09
          +1
          Gave damn freedom ..... A good lesson to us!

          We thought they (khokhly) got freedom, but they then understood it as "now we can do EVERYTHING" and there at least don't dawn. wassat
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  2. Knowing
    Knowing 18 June 2016 05: 47
    +13
    All to the heap? Well, if so, then all the traitor Nemtsov let them follow the list: bulk Kasyanov and the like. Not at all upset. Because they were found in cabbage.
  3. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 18 June 2016 05: 52
    +10
    Well, if in the building of the SBU it occupies an entire floor of the CIA, then a logical question arises: Who are the teachers?
    1. Nikoha.2010
      Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 06: 01
      +2
      Quote: Voha_krim
      And who are the teachers?

      Vladimir hi Who is in Ukraine? I just can’t understand how Ukraine does not respect itself in such a way ?! I am not a Putinist or a radical! It really hurts me for Ukraine!
      1. kolobok63
        kolobok63 18 June 2016 06: 18
        +3
        If it hurts, you need to cry Ukrainians in a vest, everything will pass! hi
      2. wow
        wow 18 June 2016 11: 49
        +1
        And in general I am amazed by the terminology of some of our "comrades": "... Putin's regime, Putin's army, Putin's Russia ...". And why then it is not heard - Hollande's France, Obama's USA or Merkel's Bundeswehr and so on and so forth .... Something in the heads of some has broken and needs urgent repair!
  4. -СтрР° РЅРЅРёРє-
    +2
    And how does Putin manage to keep pace everywhere? request Already managed to intimidate journalists and the Ost-Objectiv group! belay
    (lol)
  5. mivmim
    mivmim 18 June 2016 06: 10
    +1
    The authors of the report claim that the SBU organized the murder of a Russian opposition

    Well, why did they stop, would continue further. lol Who's next?
  6. def89
    def89 18 June 2016 06: 10
    +4
    Anytime and anywhere good We were looking for a Russian track, and you found a Ukrainian one!
    1. kolobok63
      kolobok63 18 June 2016 06: 20
      +2
      So YES, what's so strange about that? hi
  7. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 18 June 2016 06: 24
    +6
    Ukroina-TIG-terretory imitating a state where possible Any nastiness and villainy both for neighbors and for those who inhabit this territory!
  8. Bramb
    Bramb 18 June 2016 06: 29
    +12
    Ukraine is a young democratic state
    ---------------------
    Yeah. especially the re-election of the president, respect for the other opinion of their fellow citizens: direct democracy! Democracy level "disagree - kill!"
    And is it a state? The state is power in the first place. protection of its territory, laws on it. Is there anything in this territory? Yeah, the crowds of jumping boyfriends with weapons, sending their president’s decrees in plain text, fights in parliament - all the signs of the state are obvious!))))
    Ukrainians are not able to create anything, including the state! This nation can only eat, steal. Typical parasites on the body of humanity. Rotten tumor.
  9. Amurets
    Amurets 18 June 2016 06: 42
    +8
    *** The psychopath state, the killer regime, carefully selects and thinks over its next blow. Where it will happen - in prosperous Britain, distant Canada or the USA itself, is not known. Only the signature style is known - a joyful jubilant exclamation: “Look! Russia did it! ”***
    And I see the proprietary, stupid plan of the CIA. And if there is a trace of the SBU, only in execution. And the purpose of these terrorist attacks is the same, to finally embroil the Russian people. We are the roots of one people, and the goal of the Anglo-Saxons is to embroil the Slavic tribes. And all the Anglo enmity -the Saxons has been going since time immemorial, from about the XIV-XV centuries. Because the British needed a way from the "Varangians to the Greeks" to go to India, bypassing Spain.
    1. Bramb
      Bramb 18 June 2016 06: 57
      +6
      You are mistaken. The goal of the Anglo-Saxons is not to quarrel, but to destroy the Russians. To access our resources. So they always did at all times.
      And Ukrainians, although part of the Russian people, are no longer ours. For rotted. It is like a tumor on the human body: it is yours, but you not only do not need it, but it is also harmful.
      Not everything is good and useful. In the body, after all, there is, sorry, th ... oh. And although it is ours, it is not necessary. So it is here. Do not we need this is our Slavic go..o in the face of Ukrainians.
      1. Amurets
        Amurets 18 June 2016 07: 44
        +1
        Quote: Bramb
        And Ukrainians, although part of the Russian people, are no longer ours. For rotted. It is like a tumor on the human body: it is yours, but you not only do not need it, but it is also harmful.
        Not everything is good and useful. In the body, after all, there is, sorry, th ... oh. And although it is ours, it is not necessary. So it is here. Do not we need this is our Slavic go..o in the face of Ukrainians.

        Judas and traitors were in any nation and among the Slavs, too.
        Quote: Bramb
        You are mistaken. The goal of the Anglo-Saxons is not to quarrel, but to destroy the Russians. To access our resources. So they always did at all times.

        I’m not mistaken! Destroy Russian statehood? Yes! But not the people. Turn the people into slaves, because the English lords themselves will not work. Remember the history of India, the USA, Africa, Australia from the time of their conquest. The history of slavery of the East and West Indies. The British almost everywhere fought in the wrong hands. They even used their own criminals in this, and the United States is England, but only in a much worse performance.
        1. Bramb
          Bramb 18 June 2016 07: 55
          +4
          There are exceptions everywhere. But betrayal, lies, cowardice, greed, servility among the Ukrainians is not single, but massive. Moreover, not only now. but for many years and generations. This is not an exception, but the national trait of Ukrainians: meanness.
          And yes: you are mistaken. Here it is necessary to cite the Indians as an example, whose territory and wealth the Angles decided to take. They did not subdue the Indians, but destroyed. Australia and N.Zelandia: where are the local natives? The examples of China and India are before their eyes and they have chosen a different tactic: to destroy the local rebellious population. Or are you ready to submit? )) We are not Ukrainians who are ready to lie under anyone. That's it: in their plans it is the destruction of the Russians. And no other way.
  10. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 18 June 2016 06: 53
    +3
    Ukraine is a young democratic state.

    There is no brain yet.
    And will not be.
    Lavrov's words
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 18 June 2016 11: 57
      0
      Quote: Reptiloid
      Lavrov's words


      Plus! And in addition to the words of Lavrov - also the words of Cambronn. And Goetz von Berlichingen! smile
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  11. Egoza
    Egoza 18 June 2016 07: 05
    +2
    “Well, why did you have to support the coup in Ukraine? I have spoken about this many times. There is a difficult domestic political situation. And, most likely, the opposition, which is in power today, would have come to power democratically through elections. That's all, we would work with them in the same way as we worked with the authorities that came before President (Viktor) Yanukovych, ”RIA Novosti quoted him as saying.

    Are you so sure, Vladimir Vdadimirovich? At that time, the mood to join the TS was still very strong. Oppo = bloc would not even go to power even in elections. They would not have recognized the coup d'etat, they would not have talked today about Ukraine-killer.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 18 June 2016 08: 19
      +3
      Fidget Are you so sure, Vladimir Vdadimirovich? At that time, the mood to join the TS was still very strong. Oppo = bloc would not even go to power even in elections. They would not have recognized the coup d'etat, they would not have talked today about Ukraine-killer.

      I agree. And if people believe that there will be help to the last. Go to Golgotha. For two days they do not speak on TV with a request to cancel the elections. Trying to “wash their hands.” For Crimea, a golden monument. For Donbass, the page is open.
  12. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 18 June 2016 07: 07
    0
    Ukraine has lost its statehood, becoming a puppet of the United States and Europe. There is no way back, unfortunately ...
  13. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 18 June 2016 07: 16
    +1
    Behind the beautiful facade of "Ukrainian democracy" is a bloodthirsty monster, eager to strike another blow.

    Well, at last, reasonable words from the West began to be heard. Frankly, I can't wait for Europe to fully experience all the "delights" of Ukrainian "democracy". Maybe the European zinks will finally open up, covered up for the sake of harming Russia.
    1. SCHWERIN
      SCHWERIN 18 June 2016 08: 26
      +3

      Alla garage? What kind of West? The West is the peasant woman Merkel and Hollande. Nobody paid attention to the fact that there were some "experts" written.
      In Britain, under T. Blair, 1 million people marched against the war. So what? The war has taken place.
      Do not flatter yourself, this is forever.
  14. Ruzina Natalia
    Ruzina Natalia 18 June 2016 07: 20
    +2
    Ukraine is not the only country that has been manipulated. Managing such countries is like drawing up a flowchart: if "yes", then we go there, if "no", then along a different path. Purpose, means, etc. for solving the technical assignment. And the people inhabiting these territories have a rich, very, experience of conducting provocations, wars, intrigues. Starting with the primitive communal system. And if you remember the Word about Igor's regiment! Kill your parents, brothers, children to sit on the throne! The mentality is deeply rooted. And the Civil War, and Old Man Makhno (beat the whites until they turn red, beat the red ones until they turn white), and the Second World War, when both the Bandera and the partisan movement at the same time. This nation (this is just some rabble just like in America) is not occupied with cunning, daring, and recklessness. But with the mind there is a problem, and they do not even know what wisdom is (by the way, the American nation is exactly the same). In short, the two adventurers found each other. But even the most cunning thieves and crooks, of any rank, mafiosi are taken out into the open. Time heals.
  15. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 18 June 2016 07: 23
    +3
    Yes, you have to start with the shooting on the Maidan. Who shot, from what, from where. Why were the trees cut down? Who gave these commands? In short, the specific leaders of those murderers are now specifically in the power of the military. It didn't start with Boeing. Their hands are crooked, but they do not control their tongues. Everything gradually creeps out. And Donbass is too tough for them. And we will not let them "crush" it. Let at least all the Nemtsovs and Kasyanovs be shot! laughing
    Totally agree!
  16. Observer2014
    Observer2014 18 June 2016 07: 44
    +4
    One of the main evidence that the MH-17 flight was allegedly destroyed by Donetsk militias was the publication of images of the Buk anti-aircraft missile system, allegedly taken on the territory controlled by the DPR, as well as the launch of a rocket made from these weapons. However, according to some authors, the sensational shots turned out to be fake. The fact of forgery is indicated by many oddities and inconsistencies.

    I want to talk about this a little bit. If the plane were shot down by Russia and the militias, the US CIA would already squeal like an undercut pig. Waving a photo from satellites on every corner. After an hour, the State Department announced who shot down the plane over the Black Sea in the 90s. there is a conflict (all satellites are aimed at it and not gu, gu.
    By the way, in Ukraine itself and in the unrecognized republics, a completely logical rumor is circulating that the Ukrainian side was promised (eleven) billions for the plane with Putin, and they laughed at the joys.
    The Russian side saw very well and knows who shot down the plane and what it is waiting for, so to speak, final conclusions on the topic of a downed plane. By giving the west the first opportunity not to officially blame anyone, they can blame anyone.
    1. Schulz
      Schulz 18 June 2016 08: 53
      -3
      Quote: Observer2014
      However, according to some authors, the sensational shots turned out to be fake. The fact of forgery is indicated by many oddities and inconsistencies.

      I want to talk a little about this.

      Tell me, what do you want (and most importantly, can) talk about?
      For you, I am sure, the words: "according to a number of authors" (without naming the authors), "indicates a lot of oddities and inconsistencies" (without indicating these oddities and inconsistencies) is quite enough. Also, you just have enough links to incomprehensible sites of some freaks with "details" of "investigations" in five paragraphs and the fake site "Bellingcat".
      Here is a real Bellingcat investigation (with real details, not as "author"). You can read at your leisure, especially the comments. Do not be alarmed, everything is in Russian.
      https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/04/22/8882/
      1. Bramb
        Bramb 18 June 2016 09: 13
        +5
        Quote: Schulz
        Here is the real Bellingcat investigation

        Sorry, but this is not an investigation, but just an ordinary market abuse of illiterate people.
        Example: Billingot calls vertical white smoke after the Beech! )))) Even without saying that the author of the photo was unable to take a picture of the car or take a couple of photos (as usual, the Ukrainians finished charging))), then the vertical smoke is definitely NOT a trace from Buk. Materiel you need to know!
        The same wheel in the car as evidence - just a laugh. Not to mention the fact that it supposedly changed the place of the same car, etc. etc.
        Talking and reading amateurs is a waste of time. Or you can prove that white is black, but you don’t feel like wasting time on it.
        Stop clogging up the air, young man. And then you begin to clog this Earth.
        1. Schulz
          Schulz 18 June 2016 09: 32
          -4
          Quote: Bramb

          Sorry, but this is not an investigation, but just an ordinary market abuse of illiterate people.
          Example: Billingot calls vertical white smoke after the Beech! ))))
          then vertical smoke is definitely NOT a trace from Beech. Materiel you need to know!

          You should at least read to the end before talking about hardware.
          As for the photo of a column of smoke in the area of ​​Snezhnoye: a lot depends on the position of the camera relative to the trajectory of the rocket. For example, in this video, where several Bukov missile launches are visible, due to the camera’s position relative to the trajectory of one of the missiles, it appears that it flies vertically upward. The camera, which removed the column of smoke on July 17, was located directly under the trajectory of the rocket, heading from the launch site in the area of ​​Snezhnoye to the last location of MH17.

          On the video, then at least a BUK or is there a trace from a certain angle not "vertical"?
          https://youtu.be/LSXMhaFntrU
          Well, what about
          As for satellite images of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation: although our use of “error level analysis” is ambiguous, it is clear in any case that the dating of satellite images of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation is incorrect. For simplicity, I will give one most characteristic example: a group of trees or bushes, which by July was clearly already absent, suddenly appeared on a satellite image of the Russian Ministry of Defense dated July 14:
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 18 June 2016 14: 32
        +2
        Schulz You can read at your leisure, especially the comments. Do not worry, everything is in Russian there.
        https://www.bellingcat.com/news/uk-and-europe/2016/04/22/8882/

        Well, I read it. And what is there! Another crowd around where the Buk could be! And that's all. With the same success, you can agree that you launched it from your balcony. Some correspondence, notes and other nonsense. Photos from satellites originals in the studio! And the data of objective control! And everything else is bullshit!
        1. Schulz
          Schulz 19 June 2016 17: 08
          0
          Quote: Observer2014

          Well! I read. And what is there!

          Those. "Evidence" of Andrey Kurpsky from his "number of authors" and "a lot of oddities", fake sites with 1,5 visitors per year and outright lies (children's, moreover) with a link to the site "bellingcat" have you no questions?

          Quote: Observer2014
          Photos from satellites originals in the studio!

          Are you healthy at all? Original photos from "google earth"?
          By the way, the Russian Ministry of Defense does not refute them at all, just like the "vertical smoke" about which one great expert in materiel spoke here.

          Quote: Observer2014
          And objective control data!

          Do you understand who you are discussing now and from whom do you require objective control data? Well, at least in general terms?

          Quote: Observer2014
          And everything else is bullshit!

          Read more Andrei Kurpsky, there you will draw a sea of ​​truthful information.
          All the best!
  17. dvg1959
    dvg1959 18 June 2016 08: 03
    +4
    The logical conclusion suggests itself - you need to end with Ukraine.
    Because it is not known who will be next.
    America spawned a monster that got out of hand.
    By the way, this is not the first time with America.
    1. Alekseits
      Alekseits 18 June 2016 09: 09
      0
      They are already talking about this specifically:
      The State Department asked US citizens to be careful in Ukraine ...

      https://news.mail.ru/politics/26154412/?frommail=1
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  18. Barakuda
    Barakuda 18 June 2016 08: 22
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    Ukraine is a young democratic state committed to democratic values

    The author is seen pinned. Well, there are mushrooms according to Carlos Castañeda ..
    NO countries, one name left.
    1. rotmistr60
      rotmistr60 18 June 2016 08: 50
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      Remained the name and thousands of uncontrolled armed fools obsessed with the national idea and hatred of everything Russian. What to do with it?
  19. sergey2017
    sergey2017 18 June 2016 09: 55
    +1
    Who benefits from the death of Nemtsov? It means that this action was planned with the goal of a high-profile political scandal! So the SBU, on the orders of the URU, organized the assassination of a Russian oppositionist in order to discredit Russia’s power led by Putin and at the same time pour mud on Kadyrov! Everything was clear from the beginning of the investigation!
  20. Evil 55
    Evil 55 18 June 2016 10: 56
    +1
    It’s been shameful for some countries for centuries, for others it has tried to sit on its neck .. Now only self-euthanasia will save UKRAINE ..
  21. sapper2
    sapper2 18 June 2016 11: 04
    +1
    Ukraine resembles a dog that the West keeps on a leash and sets against Russia. When it is profitable, he will lower it from the leash. And dogs rushing at people need to be shot.
  22. Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 June 2016 12: 57
    +1
    Ukrainians have lived for centuries, and goat-banderlogs appeared and disappeared, and they will be remembered only with disgust.
  23. syuromyatnov
    syuromyatnov 18 June 2016 13: 32
    0
    Well, even if Ukraine did this, it means it’s taken into account by the owners. And on their conscience (although this word does not fit for nothing) there will be hundreds of corpses more. And there were already all kinds of Berezovsky’s Boeing ...
  24. mark_rod
    mark_rod 18 June 2016 22: 20
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    Quote: Observer 33
    Quote: Nikoha.2010
    Ukraine is a young democratic state,

    I do not agree! I love Ukrainians! Fascists, Bandera and the junta sincerely hate! IMHO!

    Do not agree what is democratic? I also laughing
    The regime is bloody, cannibalistic, and it is supported. They hate in part of the rise in price of housing and communal services, the fall of the hryvnia, etc., but in part of the intentions of this regime to burn Moscow, the support is comprehensive. yes Are they ready to kill us? Yes, of course. Is it a state of killers and terrorists? Yes, of course.
    Another thing is that now they are dangerous, except for themselves ... And thank God! Believe me, if they are sure that they will ride, which will go unpunished, they will kill. Donbass is an example. Just cowardice in them, no less than hatred, and only for this they do not rush to neighbors.
    And about whether I love Ukrainians ..? No I do not like. I do not love anyone on a national basis. Either respect or not. But respect them for now, not for what ... But to crush, there are more than reasons. yes No, I’m not calling, but stating ...

    Torn from the tongue, as they say .... Why love them? They either sold out or washed their brains - it’s more profitable for them to live!