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US media: US intends to punish Canada with economic measures for refusing to acquire F-35

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Informational portal defensenews publishes largely sensational information. The point is that the United States threatened Canada with de facto punitive methods of an economic nature for reducing the number of fifth-generation F-35 fighter jets purchased or for completely rejecting such purchases.


It should be recalled that, almost immediately after taking office as Canadian Prime Minister, Justin Trudeau declared that it was “inappropriate to acquire F-35 multi-role fighters”. According to the head of the Canadian government, "the plane is not necessary for the needs of Canada, and besides, it can cost the Canadian budget too expensive."

Just a few days ago, Justin Trudeau, to his earlier words, added that the F-35 aircraft "is not a fully completed project, and today it can be called far from completion."

US media: US intends to punish Canada with economic measures for refusing to acquire F-35


Realizing that Canada can seriously abandon the main American military-technical soap bubble of recent years, Washington decided to include economic pressure mechanisms. To this end, the management of the company was engaged, which deals with all the major developments of the F-35 project. It's about Lockheed Martin. So, the management of Lockheed Martin stated that if Canada is going to abandon the purchase of the F-35 batch, then Canadian companies participating in this project will be excluded from it.

One of the leaders of the F-35 project at Lockheed Martin, in an interview with the Canadian Broadcasting Corporation, said the following:
I do not want my words to be perceived as a threat, but we will have no other choice. If Canada moves away from F-35, we are ready to move the Canadian part of the project to those countries that are ready to purchase an aircraft.


This was answered in the Ministry of Defense of Canada. The head of the Canadian Defense Ministry's press service, Jordan Owens, said:
Despite this zeal for Lockheed Martin, Canada still remains among the project participants, but at the same time it will be the final decision to acquire F-35, based solely on its own needs.


For reference: the Canadian share in the F-35 (Joint Strike Fighter) project is over 0,6 billion US dollars. At the same time, more than a hundred different Canadian companies are involved in the project. In the US, Canada is frightened by the fact that all these companies will suffer losses.
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  1. aszzz888
    aszzz888 16 June 2016 13: 52
    +26
    Mericatos forcibly force their clouds under the name F-35! laughing
    1. Korney84
      Korney84 16 June 2016 13: 55
      +16
      Words do not even pick up, just laughing laughing laughing
      1. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 16 June 2016 13: 59
        +3
        That's right, from time immemorial what the host did in the West for disobedience, of course he punished, so fear the US slaves and obey!
        1. Kostyar
          Kostyar 16 June 2016 14: 09
          +23
          US media: US intends to punish Canada with economic measures for refusing to acquire F-35

          Beat your own so that others are afraid ...
          Let's see who else with eggs, dare to abandon this bullshit ....?!
          1. dauria
            dauria 16 June 2016 14: 36
            +1
            Let's see who else with the eggs, dare to abandon this bullshit.


            And what is wrong ? Some of the orders were placed in Canada on the terms of purchase, plus price incentives. If they don't want to, don't. Why should Lockheed Martin give jobs and profits to Canadians for beautiful eyes? Nothing personal, business. Now, if Canadian firms said, "we will not do it, it is not profitable for us", it is another matter. And the plane already exists, good or bad, but soon it will become widespread, and there will be no competitors on the horizon.
            1. Iskander Sh
              Iskander Sh 16 June 2016 15: 42
              +5
              Quote: dauria
              Why should Lockheed Martin give job and profit to Canadians for beautiful eyes?



              Do you want to tell Lockheed Martin how socialist countries place production not where it is profitable for business, but where the party is needed?

              In this case, this is precisely the threat, and company representatives do not even hide it.
              1. dauria
                dauria 16 June 2016 16: 46
                -1
                Do you want to say Lockheed Martin as a socialist country does not place production where it is profitable for business


                where does the social country? It’s an expensive project, they decided to take advantage of the concrete conditions — Canadians invest money, receive part of the profits from production, access to some technologies and privileges in the price of an airplane, but in the conditions purchases of aircraft by Canada were also agreed. Violated, figs to you, and not profit from sales to third countries.
                Pure capitalism ...
                It is only we who manage with the Yak-130 and China to go crazy.
              2. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 18 June 2016 04: 01
                0
                What kind of company has become so open that it threatens an entire country, a G7 participant, is it strange, right?
          2. mig29mks
            mig29mks 16 June 2016 14: 37
            0
            we have them at the door, they are at the window))))))) laughing
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 16 June 2016 14: 52
              +3
              How can Canada not refuse when:
              In the United States recorded a massive computer crash
              A failure in the computer system led to the loss of data on 100 thousand investigations conducted by the US Air Force over the past 12 years, Defense One reports. The system was maintained by Lockheed Martin. The reason for the failure is not specified.

              Here is literally just Updated at 11:25 pm wassat
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 16 June 2016 16: 02
          +1
          The project involves more than a hundred different Canadian companies. In the USA, Canada is scared by the fact that all these companies will suffer losses.

          Cool! Let's say Canadians were asked ... How much will the project’s time frame suffer, apparently, Lockheed Martin doesn’t care. I think they’re still able to cut it on this! lol Well, excuse me with the flag in my hands and a drum around my neck.
        3. Mikhail m
          Mikhail m 18 June 2016 17: 01
          0
          Less is not for the idea, for the distortion of the great and mighty.
      2. silver_roman
        silver_roman 16 June 2016 14: 28
        +5
        probably will soon introduce a no-fly zone over Canada wassat
        true if this zone will be carried out by means of F-35, then it is not a fact that everything will turn out laughing
      3. iConst
        iConst 16 June 2016 14: 57
        +5
        Quote: Korney84
        Words do not even pick up, just laughing laughing laughing

        -Yes, everything is very simple: mattress covers rush around the world and knock money out of wherever possible: Iran is trying to wash two lard out under the sauce of involvement by September 11th.

        The same thing was rolled up to the Saudis - but they said something like that and - hop! They were immediately declared white and fluffy ...

        Now Canadians are bending down ... laughing

        Uncle Sam, hike, is not enough money for his fucking farm.
        And printing greens - and so already sickly interest needs to be paid.

        Further - only to forgive debts to all who should or ... to arrange the third Bad Bum!
      4. Schulz
        Schulz 16 June 2016 15: 35
        0
        Quote: Korney84
        Words do not even pick up, just laughing laughing laughing

        I read it twice and still I can’t understand what is illogical in the news?
        There is an option: transfer, for example, India to production technologies, for example, MIG-35, organize production there and let them sell it to you or to third countries.
        How do you like the idea, do not like it much?
        1. Urfin
          Urfin 16 June 2016 16: 22
          +3
          Maybe the inconsistency is that Canada has already paid (half a billion)? At the same time, they say to her that you will not buy - companies will be expelled from the project. That is, they will lose the share.
          What is it if the threat to "throw"?
          1. Schulz
            Schulz 17 June 2016 09: 08
            -3
            Quote: Urfin
            Maybe the inconsistency is that Canada has already paid (half a billion)? At the same time, they say to her that you will not buy - companies will be expelled from the project. That is, they will lose the share.
            What is it if the threat to "throw"?


            And I just brought you an example with India, does it turn out?
            Once again: The Indians say: "Give us the technology, we will build production facilities in our country, we will assemble the MiG-35 and buy it. Then they change plans, the plane becomes" too expensive ", but they still want to assemble it and they need technology True, they want to sell it to you and to third countries.
            Your reaction
            PS: They just invested in the project. We bought equipment, built factories, hired people ...
            1. Urfin
              Urfin 17 June 2016 11: 11
              0
              I don’t quite understand why you decided that Canadians will get the technology?
              They invested, part of the production should be with them. There will be orders for airplane factories in Canada that will produce parts. All honestly. This, in theory, should not depend on whether they will buy it themselves. This is a business. Same thing with India. Nobody will give her technology completely. Part of the production will be with them.

              Immediately, the United States threatens to deprive the already built factories of work because of the refusal to buy aircraft - what's what?
              1. Schulz
                Schulz 17 June 2016 11: 49
                -1
                Quote: Urfin

                They invested, part of the production should be with them. There will be orders for airplane factories in Canada that will produce parts. All honestly. This, in theory, should not depend on whether they will buy it themselves.

                Well, if they immediately said that we would not buy airplanes and only wanted to produce parts, then that would be honest, but I think that in this case they would hardly have placed production.
                Quote: Urfin
                Same thing with India. Nobody will give her technology completely. Part of the production will be with them.

                Those. the placement of the production of MIG-35 components not in their factory but in the Indian one, so that they would make money on this does not seem improbable to you?
                1. Urfin
                  Urfin 17 June 2016 12: 58
                  0
                  Quote: Schulz
                  Well, if they immediately said that we would not buy airplanes and only wanted to produce parts, then that would be honest, but I think that in this case they would hardly have placed production.

                  Judging by the rhetoric of the United States, this is just not spelled out in the contract. So, Canada wants to buy - wants not to buy. This, I say again, is a business. If the duty is not registered - it is not.

                  Quote: Schulz
                  Those. the placement of the production of MIG-35 components not in their factory but in the Indian one, so that they would make money on this does not seem improbable to you?

                  I see no obstacles - if it is beneficial. Of course, provided that the technology has analogues and is not unique. I don’t think that the whole MiG-35 (or f-35) consists of super-advanced and advanced materials, etc. There are also regular bolts, seat cushions, rubber and other things.
                  1. Schulz
                    Schulz 17 June 2016 19: 55
                    -3
                    Quote: Urfin

                    Judging by the rhetoric of the United States, this is just not spelled out in the contract. If the duty is not registered - it is not.

                    I will formulate the question very simply: did Canada promise to buy airplanes or did not promise?
                    Quote: Urfin

                    I see no obstacles - if it is beneficial.

                    Those. instead of loading your enterprises with work, you do not "see obstacles" in the loading of others? Boo Andersen to help you. Explain why?
                    1. KaPToC
                      KaPToC 19 June 2016 00: 21
                      0
                      Quote: Schulz
                      Canada promised to buy airplanes or did not promise?

                      Did NATO promise not to move east or did not promise?
                      1. Schulz
                        Schulz 19 June 2016 17: 14
                        -2
                        Quote: KaPToC

                        Did NATO promise not to move east or did not promise?

                        How should I know? Give a link to where it promised and together we denounce NATO a disgrace.
                2. 72jora72
                  72jora72 19 June 2016 09: 38
                  +1
                  Those. the placement of the production of MIG-35 components not in their factory but in the Indian one, so that they would make money on this does not seem improbable to you?
                  I will say this, all the weapons and equipment that the Indians do both under license and their original, usually "it flies wrong, it shoots wrong" ...... and therefore they buy into the troops the original weapons from the factory of the manufacturer's country ...
            2. 73bor
              73bor 18 June 2016 14: 56
              +1
              You'd better tell about FGFA where India started to refuse to participate! With Canada, it is a US satellite with a good share in the program, and the F-35 is already practically on the assembly line, and even so the Canadians believe that - "the mountain gave birth to a MOUSE"!
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 16 June 2016 15: 45
        +4
        According to the head of the Canadian government, "the plane is not necessary for the needs of Canada, and besides, it can be too expensive for the Canadian budget."

        That's it! Yankesov culturally sent to lol We take seeds and beer, and we observe how staff members will bend their friends for refusing to buy a shnyag at the price of an aircraft carrier! laughing
        Just a few days ago, Justin Trudeau added to his earlier words that the F-35 aircraft “is not a fully completed project, and today it can be called far from complete”

        Whoops! belay But this is sabotage in the orderly ranks of amerassassals! For such deskrititatsiya and bang can lol
      6. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 16 June 2016 16: 36
        0
        Quote: Korney84
        Words do not even pick up, just laughing laughing laughing

        Why not pick it up, it’s clearly said:
        If Canada leaves the F-35, we are ready to move the Canadian part of the project to those countries that are ready to acquire a plane.
        Not looking: Proud Ukrainians and independent sprats. They will take part, well, they will buy, a bolt for memory.
      7. 4ekist
        4ekist 16 June 2016 21: 42
        0
        "... and who refuses to buy a lottery, then we will turn off the gas" - just like in a movie about Comrade Gorbunkov.
    2. Garris199
      Garris199 16 June 2016 13: 57
      +5
      It is necessary to connect the mask. It will lull the device with solar batteries and boil into the lungs of enthusiastic partners.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 16 June 2016 14: 24
        +9
        Quote: Garris199
        It is necessary to connect the mask.
        Mask again his Falcon 9 when landing burned
        But something another failure of his offspring is not upset at all. Rather, the opposite.
        Look, such an impression. that rejoices like a child: "Wow! How beautiful it burns!" Really. Why should he be sad - NASA pays for such fireworks quite well. laughing
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 16 June 2016 18: 18
          -5
          And that this rocket did not land as it should, it did its mission - it launched the satellite into orbit.
          1. Idiot
            Idiot 18 June 2016 12: 29
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            And that this rocket did not land as it should, it did its mission - it launched the satellite into orbit.


            Its task is to put the payload into orbit and go back, so that then again put the payload into orbit. She did not return back, so she did not fulfill her task. Due to its so-called reusability, it put into orbit a load less than a one-time load can take. Question: what's the point, with the exception of PR, to build and use such missiles? Those who believe that Mask projects do not have budget money and NASA is not involved there should study the issue more closely.
            1. BAVMALEY
              BAVMALEY 18 June 2016 13: 34
              +1
              in addition to what you said: stage 1 is (if simplified) a large tank with a rocket engine. the most valuable thing in it is just the RD. in order to fly it again, it must first be disassembled, everything must be tested in it - replaced (if necessary) and reassembled. The cost of these operations, taking into account the fuel spent not on the launch of the payload into orbit, but on the return of the "firecracker" home, taking into account the decrease in the weight of the payload, since part of the fuel was spent on ... and so on. all this looks more like a cut ... what is the American money - let them saw
          2. 73bor
            73bor 18 June 2016 15: 01
            +1
            With such capabilities, this rocket should at least fly into space twice, but why not!
        2. iwind
          iwind 16 June 2016 18: 35
          -7
          Quote: Ami du peuple
          Look, such an impression. that rejoices like a child: "Wow! How beautiful it burns!" Really. Why should he be sad - NASA pays for such fireworks quite well.

          Comments in VO do not cease to amuse. Well, where does NASA ????? wassat This is a commercial order for the delivery of two Eutelsat 117 West B communication satellites (SATMEX 9) and ABS 2A for private companies (Eutelsat Americas and Asia Broadcast Satellite). What will happen to the first stage of the customer does not care at all, it is important for him that the satellite is in orbit for minimal money and high reliability.
          1. 73bor
            73bor 18 June 2016 15: 05
            0
            Do you even know that Musk is a relative of Gates? That if he were at least ten times a billionaire he would be close to DARPA, they would not even let him in!
    3. Pavel1
      Pavel1 16 June 2016 14: 01
      +20
      "to distribute among the residents of our house, and if they do not take it, we will turn off the gas" laughing
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 16 June 2016 14: 08
        +12
        Everyone should buy the F-35! Even Ukraine ... and Georgia! Are you there waiting for Russian fans ..?
    4. Andrey K
      Andrey K 16 June 2016 14: 03
      +8
      Quote: aszzz888
      Mericatos forcibly force their clouds under the name F-35! laughing

      Canadians just don't understand their happiness wassat
      So the mattresses have to convince them of the need for this flying trash laughing
      It’s not a fact that Canadians, besides hemorrhoids, will have something after the purchase laughing
      But "Lockheed Martin" will warm up and officials who have sold the deal will receive their gesheftrequest
    5. Vladislav
      Vladislav 16 June 2016 14: 29
      +4
      Give sanctions !!!
      1. Observer2014
        Observer2014 16 June 2016 14: 46
        +4
        I only have the impression that the Americans, having gotten themselves into the fu35 and not really scaring Russia, fu22, are doing everything so that Russia does not start the serial mass production of the T-50? In our Russian "military expert" community. "WHY DO WE HAVE SO MUCH EXPENSIVE T50? THE AMERICANS ARE NOT VERY VERY FIFTH GENERATION AIRCRAFT"
        1. 73bor
          73bor 18 June 2016 15: 08
          0
          Our T-50 is cheaper than its counterpart, and mass production has not yet been planned, while only 60!
    6. Altona
      Altona 16 June 2016 15: 20
      +2
      Quote: aszzz888
      Mericatos forcibly force their clouds under the name F-35!

      -----------------------
      Let's just say they want to put their raw brainchild on the budget of Canada. Canada’s budget is already suffering from a fall in crude oil prices, and now it’s certainly not up to the acquisition of such expensive remedies. In addition, the United States is here next to its stray, troops and the NORAD system. And so, most Canadian firms are American affiliates. This will turn out in pure form the export of all profits to the United States, and the Canadian population to suck a grizzly paw.
    7. Juborg
      Juborg 16 June 2016 15: 29
      +2
      High allied relations!
    8. vodolaz
      vodolaz 16 June 2016 18: 30
      +1
      Yes, it’s better to pay 600 lyam to these companies than to buy this flightless misunderstanding.
  2. viktorR
    viktorR 16 June 2016 13: 52
    0
    Well, now there will be more work for Opus and iwind. To protect this penguin, as if their job :), and of course our Jewish "comrades" will catch up :)
    1. Foresterer
      Foresterer 16 June 2016 14: 07
      +8
      For some reason, this product is especially zealously defended by sausage immigrants living now in the promised country. I remember, in my comment that partners refuse this flying miracle, they are extremely excited. And minus all my comments, even if they were generally about something else.
      1. Skubudu
        Skubudu 16 June 2016 14: 55
        +4
        What else can they do?
        They wanted the F-22, and they were told that Nizya ...
        They imposed on us to buy the F-35 .. which, by and large, is an attack aircraft, but at the price of a 5-generation fighter.
        So they are not satisfied with sitting, but they don’t want to admit that they have been circled in a circle - the Jews ...
    2. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 16 June 2016 15: 24
      -5
      Quote: viktorR
      Well, now there will be more work for Opus and iwind. To protect this penguin, as if their job :), and of course our Jewish "comrades" will catch up :)

      F-35 is no longer worth protecting. He is already good. Penguin in the ocean is very maneuverable and predatory. And the show off of the socialist prime minister will end soon.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 16 June 2016 16: 06
        +4
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        And the show off of the socialist prime minister will end soon.

        Maybe it will end, but the wasted gold reserve (which they supposedly do not need) will not start.
      2. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 16 June 2016 17: 11
        +3
        Quote: Aron Zaavi
        He is already good.

        Well, yes, futuristic, expensive, just does not work. Such a good souvenir, but with ... dear. good laughing
      3. iwind
        iwind 16 June 2016 18: 15
        +1
        Quote: Aaron Zawi
        Quote: viktorR
        Well, now there will be more work for Opus and iwind. To protect this penguin, as if their job :), and of course our Jewish "comrades" will catch up :)

        F-35 is no longer worth protecting. He is already good. Penguin in the ocean is very maneuverable and predatory. And the show off of the socialist prime minister will end soon.

        yep
        But how well these comments on this news characterize a policy of double standards. It's fine smile laughing
        Now, if it were not for the F-35, what would be the comments? Suppose
        country X (and India will go the way), wants to buy and participate in the production of N. plane. But then suddenly it begins to say that we will not buy your N. aircraft for ourselves. But you do not think about transferring the production of your aircraft / components from us. It will be very healthy that you create production with us, and then you buy your own plane (components) from us. Honestly?
        The topic of LM is quite logical why they should maintain production if Canada is not a member of the program. It can be transferred to South Korea, Denmark (just two days at the Nazd signed a contract of 27+ pieces.), The Netherlands, etc.
        ps and the exit of Kanda so far looks strange MO, they require delivery and pay everything on time.
        Netherlands F-35 at home

        1. Corsair
          Corsair 17 June 2016 11: 54
          +3
          Quote: iwind
          country X (and India will go the way), wants to buy and participate in the production of N. plane. But then suddenly it begins to say that we will not buy your N. aircraft for ourselves. But you do not think about transferring the production of your aircraft / components from us. It will be very healthy that you create production with us, and then you buy your own plane (components) from us. Honestly?

          It is dishonest, if only in the sense that the country itself has already invested in the project, hundreds of companies that make components have spent on equipment and materials, resources. According to the people, if you grew grain, barley for a brewer (by agreement), then it’s not at all necessary to buy his own beer (maybe you like vodka or wine at all), but you worked the land, plowed, sowed, bought grain for planting, etc. d.
          There was probably no agreement on the purchase of aircraft from the beginning, or it was stipulated by other contracts - so by.
          1. iwind
            iwind 17 June 2016 19: 37
            0
            Quote: Corsair
            According to the people, if you grew grain, barley for a brewer (by agreement), then it’s not at all necessary to buy his own beer (maybe you like vodka or wine at all), but you worked the land, plowed, sowed, bought grain for planting, etc. d.

            If you joint venture and you undertook to sell this beer on your territory, then you must buy it.
            And now to the topic. Apparently you do not vkurse but Canada is not just a buyer. He is a member of the JSF program (since 1997), in 2010, the Government of Canada signed an agreement that they, as part of other countries, are partners with certain bonuses and obligations.
            And yes, the agreement spells out what the JSF program must purchase and be for receiving these bonuses. All this is signed and is in the public domain of. Prom website Of Canada. https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ad-ad.nsf/eng/ad03962.html#a3B2
            Canada has the right to leave the program but goodbye bonuses.
            "If Canada wanted to apply its IRB Policy to the acquisition of the F-35, it would need to exit the F-35 JSF Program and forego preferential access to JSF industrial opportunities."
            If Canada wants to apply its IRB policy to the acquisition of the F-35 (the right to choose another aircraft), then it it will be necessary to exit the JSF F-35 program and abandon preferential access to JSF industry opportunities.

            "This is work across a range of aerospace subsectors, including airframe, propulsion, tooling, software and mission systems, which would not have been available to our industry if Canada were not a partner in the F-35 JSF Program. A selection of the companies in Canada involved in production of the F-35 JSF can be found in Annex A. "
            This is work across a range of aerospace subsectors, including glider, engines, tools, software and mission systems, towhich would not be available to our industry if Canada is not a partner in the F-35 JSF программы.
            Already in 2012, Canadian industry earned $ 438 million
            Companies in Canada have thus far participated in the design / development and early production phases of the F-35 JSF Program. Seventy-two (72) companies in Canada have secured $ 438 million US Dollars.
            Total Planned Income $ 9.328 Billion "), as well as currently identified opportunities (up to $ 9.328 billion USD),
            https://www.ic.gc.ca/eic/site/ad-ad.nsf/eng/ad03962.html#a3B2
            so
            Quote: Corsair
            - so by.

            Really? Maybe you should first find out what's what? Everything is very simple, there is an agreement, if you don’t follow, you get the prescribed fines. So what's so dishonest?
            1. Operator
              Operator 17 June 2016 19: 51
              0
              If the income of Canadian companies from participation in the F-35 program is estimated at 9 billion dollars. (taking into account the R&D costs incurred in 6 billion dollars, this figure is reduced to 3 billion dollars), the costs of acquisition and operation from 65 to 80 Penguins are estimated from 32,5 to 40 billion dollars.

              Against this background, 3 billion dollars. revenue look like bullying.

              Yes, and the main goal has been achieved - Canadian companies participating in the F-35 program have mastered new technologies, it is time to move on to cooperating with Boeing, the manufacturer of Super Hornets in the Silent version (4 ++ generation) that the Canadian Air Force likes so much.
              1. iwind
                iwind 17 June 2016 20: 52
                0
                Quote: Operator
                If the income of Canadian companies from participation in the F-35 program is estimated at 9 billion dollars. (taking into account the R&D costs incurred in 6 billion dollars, this figure is reduced to 3 billion dollars), the costs of acquisition and operation from 65 to 80 Penguins are estimated from 32,5 to 40 billion dollars.
                Against this background, 3 billion dollars. revenue look like bullying.
                Yes, and the main goal has been achieved - Canadian companies participating in the F-35 program have mastered new technologies, it is time to move on to cooperating with Boeing, the manufacturer of Super Hornets in the Silent version (4 ++ generation) that the Canadian Air Force likes so much.

                and again fancies. Already somehow not funny
                Are there any sensible proofs on these numbers? And you can quote from the Canadian Air Force that they like Silent.
                Otherwise, "Canadian Forces' Directorate of Air Requirements stated that the F-35 was the only aircraft that matched their list of 14 mandatory and 56 less absolute requirements."
                Where does R&D come from 6bln. when even here in the news "For reference: the Canadian share in the F-35 (Joint Strike Fighter) project is more than $ 0,6 billion. At the same time, more than a hundred different Canadian companies are involved in the project. In the United States, Canada is frightened by the fact that all these companies will suffer losses. "
                When were these calculations done? otherwise I feel not in this "century". Yes, and there is no agreement, what the conversation is about.
                Here, for example, in Denmark under a new agreement from 09.06.2016/XNUMX/XNUMX.
                The total amount of the contract is $ 3 billion - including production, maintenance, etc. Of them $ 2,04 billion in the period 2018-2026 for the production of 27 pieces.
                Purchase plan: 2021g - 4 units, 22g - 6 units, 23g - 7 units, 24g - 4 units, 25g. - 3 units, 26g -3 units. The total number of 27 pieces.
                http://www.fmn.dk/nyheder/Pages/aftale-om-kampfly-paa-plads.aspx
                Ps with railway transport 3,7 meters sorted out.? And then I'm still waiting for a video about how Falcon 9 is transported by train wassat laughing
                1. Operator
                  Operator 17 June 2016 21: 42
                  +2
                  In vain you asked about sources, oh vain!


                  To refresh the memory of Penguin fans:

                  “One of the main reasons for the delay in the development of the F-35 is that the aircraft developer - Lockheed Martin - did not meet the 8 critical technologies that should have been demonstrated before development began. , without completing the development of critical technologies for this project, in principle, full-scale serial production of aircraft cannot be started due to the high degree of risk.

                  To assess the readiness of technologies, the United States Department of Defense at one time introduced a special criterion TRL (Technology Readiness Level). As a result of evaluating the F-35 program according to this criterion, by 2008 [the start of mass production] only 2 technologies were considered ready, yet 4 were not completed and yet 2 were absolutely not ready (“integrating systems for ensuring the performance of a combat mission” and “monitoring and diagnostics” functioning of complex systems ”). In practice, this means that by the beginning of the development work in 2001, the necessary research work had not been completed, hence the shortcomings, delaying the deadlines, engine accidents and a sharp increase in the cost of the development program.

                  In 2010, the United States Department of Defense decided to reduce the allocation for small-scale production of aircraft, instead directing money to complete the development program as soon as possible. As of 2010, the problems with overheating of the structure (mainly the instrument compartment) have not yet been resolved.

                  The cooling system on American 5th generation fighters works on the principle of using fuel as a coolant, the fuel itself is cooled by the air flow forced by a fan into the space between the casing and the fuel tanks. It is believed that the level of heat flow, for example, on the F-35 aircraft during flight is about 3-5 times higher than on the F-16. "

                  24.12.2010

                  http://vpk.name/news/48036_f35_dominiruet_tolko_po_stoimosti.html

                  "On March 11, 2010, a report from the Government Accountability Office of the US Senate Armed Services Committee predicts the total cost of one F-35A in the region of $ 113 million. The Pentagon reported that the F-35 program exceeded its original cost estimates by more than 50 percent. An internal [Pentagon] report called a critical design change, JSF no longer says high availability and low cost are top priorities. The report insists that the F-35 will become "America's main anti-aircraft fighter" and the development period should be extended for an additional 13 months and the budget has been increased by another 3 billion. "

                  http://wiki.wargaming.net/ru/Navy:Lockheed_Martin_F-35_Lightning_II

                  PS Penguin - the main American fighter of air defense - inspire laughing
                  1. iwind
                    iwind 17 June 2016 22: 15
                    -2
                    fellow laughing laughing
                    Quote: Operator
                    In vain you asked about sources, oh vain!

                    oh thanks, now funny! laughed .... with //wiki.wargaming.net/?????? I thought the fantasy of the Flacona 9 railway transport is the best. But give the form of the game site sources.http://ru.wargaming.net/ laughing laughing ... It's five. Thanks again. laughing
                    And this is, so to speak ... now is not 2010.
                    Ps 90% of military programs have delays and cost overruns.
                    1. Operator
                      Operator 17 June 2016 22: 38
                      +3
                      Firstly, a wiki is not a Wikipedia site, but a freely available engine for promoting other sites.

                      Secondly, in the text of the Russian-language material, references are made to the report of the US Audit Chamber and the Pentagon report for the 2010 year. You need an English speaker, and you are looking.

                      Thirdly, the meaning of the information that slipped away from you was not an overspending (which is already in sight, it’s five to you), but an initial gross violation of the US Readiness Level technology implementation standard.

                      Fourthly, the joke is (this is five more for you) that the Penguin, originally positioned by the Pentagon as an air defense fighter, has now smoothly turned into a strike aircraft: "Pants are turning, ... are turning, ... are turning ... into elegant shorts " (FROM) laughing

                      And so always please.
                      1. iwind
                        iwind 17 June 2016 22: 52
                        -4
                        Quote: Operator
                        Secondly, in the text of the Russian-language material, references are made to the report of the US Audit Chamber and the Pentagon report for the 2010 year. You need an English speaker, and you are looking.

                        Where is the link? And now it’s 2016 already.
                        Quote: Operator
                        Fourthly, the joke is (this is five more for you) that the Penguin, originally positioned by the Pentagon as an air defense fighter, has now smoothly turned into a strike aircraft: "Pants are turning, ... are turning, ... are turning ... into elegant shorts " (FROM)

                        Again? Can you read the program names?
                        Joint Strike Fighter He never had a priority air defense role.
                      2. Operator
                        Operator 17 June 2016 23: 02
                        +3
                        You probably have difficulties understanding the Russian-language text - I'm talking about Thomas (positioning the Penguin in 2010 when the Pentagon knocked out extra money for the program), you are talking about Yerema (positioning in 2016 for what happened to Lockmart).

                        I pointed out to you the authors of the overseas report and report and the year of publication, look for them on the English-speaking Internet. When I go to your American portal, then I will look for it myself.

                        Understand me?
                      3. iwind
                        iwind 17 June 2016 23: 14
                        -4
                        smile tin ...
                        The start of the program was given in Studies supporting JAST / JSF started 1993. and in
                        https://www.flightglobal.com/pdfarchive/view/1995/1995%20-%200834.html
                        As part of it was created F-35.
                        http://www.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf&AD=AA42773
                        Website of the United States of America. JSF program descriptions 16.06.2003/XNUMX/XNUMX
                        "competing designs for the JSF, a joint-service and multi-role fighter / attack plane"
                        They originally wanted a multi-functional dodger
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                      5. Operator
                        Operator 17 June 2016 23: 41
                        +2
                        By definition, a fighter is multi-functional, but not a specialized strike aircraft (just one of the functions).

                        Nobody argues about the name of the Joint Strike Fighter program of the 1998 model of the year and its interpretation of the joint-service and multi-role fighter / attack plane of the 2003 model of the year (although the latter sounds anecdotal today).

                        It is about positioning the Penguin as an air defense fighter in a particular 2010 year to knock out money to bring a frankly raw product to at least a minimum level of readiness.

                        So where in the 2016 year did multi-role fighter, attack plane and air defense fighter go?

                        Now, of the magnificent Penguin title, only a stub of joint strike fighter has survived, while at the moment all Penguins are operated as training aircraft.

                        T-35 Penguin for 324 million dollars - inspire laughing
                      6. iwind
                        iwind 18 June 2016 01: 29
                        -3
                        Quote: Operator
                        By definition, a fighter is multi-functional, but not a specialized strike aircraft (just one of the functions).

                        Nobody argues about the name of the Joint Strike Fighter program of the 1998 model of the year and its interpretation of the joint-service and multi-role fighter / attack plane of the 2003 model of the year (although the latter sounds anecdotal today).

                        We are talking about positioning the Penguin as an air defense fighter in a particular year 2010 for knocking out money to bring a frankly raw product to at least a minimum level of readiness.

                        Quote in the original when it was positioned as an air defense?
                        Why doesn’t it happen?
                        Quote: Operator
                        So where in the 2016 year did multi-role fighter, attack plane and air defense fighter go?

                        Nowhere has not choked. He can work both on the ground and in the air, with priority on the ground. Everything as it was
                        Quote: Operator
                        Now, of the magnificent Penguin title, only a stub of joint strike fighter has survived, while at the moment all Penguins are operated as training aircraft.
                        T-35 Penguin for 324 million dollars - inspire

                        IT HAS ALWAYS BEEN a joint strike fighter since his birth in 1993. What other interpretation ????
                        Fantasies about prices again? Yes, and the F-35B has already been adopted for arming.
          2. Operator
            Operator 17 June 2016 22: 20
            +1
            The cost of the F-35 program at 1 on January 2016 amounted to more than 56,4 billion dollars, 174 units were produced, the cost of one machine was 324 million dollars. (without the cost of operation).

            The life of the Penguins is estimated at 30-35 years, during which time the operating costs and the costs of finalizing the crude machine, according to experts, can be up to 180 million dollars. Total cost of the life cycle of one instance can reach 0,5 trillion dollars.

            Like a bush laughing

            PS That you were given the transport scheme for the delivery of Falcon steps - I was guided by the opinion of the author of the article (profile specialist) published on VO, the author apologized for the error in the form of transport.
            But the very problem of limiting the diameter of the Falcon steps by the size of ground transport during delivery from the place of production to the starting point (the meaning of the article) did not disappear from this.
            Better watch the video of the last "landing" of Falcon and you will be happy bully
            1. iwind
              iwind 17 June 2016 23: 04
              -2
              Quote: Operator
              The cost of the F-35 program at 1 on January 2016 amounted to more than 56,4 billion dollars, 174 units were produced, the cost of one machine was 324 million dollars. (without the cost of operation).

              The life of the Penguins is estimated at 30-35 years, during which time the operating costs and the costs of finalizing the crude machine, according to experts, can be up to 180 million dollars. Total cost of the life cycle of one instance can reach 0,5 trillion dollars.

              Lord Again it is not clear where the numbers come from. And what's the difference in these costs when the program is not finished yet. Only 10% of the total quantity is produced. So it will be possible to divide only when it ends and then ....
              There is a document of the government of Diania on the costs of the F-35.
              Quote: Operator
              PS That you were given the transport scheme for the delivery of Falcon steps - I was guided by the opinion of the author of the article (profile specialist) published on VO, the author apologized for the error in the form of transport.
              But the very problem of limiting the diameter of the Falcon steps by the size of ground transport during delivery from the place of production to the starting point (the meaning of the article) did not disappear from this.
              Better watch the video of the last "landing" of Falcon and you will be happy

              What to watch? Satellite delivered customer satisfied. Gaining experience, so there are no problems here.
              Quote: Operator
              The article set a minus for the desu in terms of size and method of transportation of the first Falcon stage from the Pacific to the Atlantic coast of the United States (a spaceport near Cape Canaveral).
              Indeed, all of North America is indented by multi-lane roads, but two-level interchanges rise above them, the lower dimension of which will not be missed by a wheeled conveyor with a 3,7-meter rocket tower towering above it. Yes, and block traffic on federal highways during the week of oversized transportation will fly a pretty penny. Therefore, due to the disgusting logistics, Falcon is transported by rail.

              This is not the author wrote .... It was given because the links go to the gaming site for specialists who do not even know basic things, etc.
              what will be further links from here http://lukoshko.net Just a kindergarten.
              1. Operator
                Operator 17 June 2016 23: 24
                +1
                What the hell (sorry for my French) 10 percent produced Penguins - 174 pieces for January this year The Pentagon has seven Fridays a week - at the very beginning of the program they planned as many 5000 units (based on the expiration of the resource of existing tactical aircraft of NATO countries), now they have reduced to 3000 units (they do not give a damn about the growing shortage of aircraft in combat units), and if you believe the chairman of the committee on affairs of the US Senate Armed Forces, the production of Penguins must be stopped at the amount reached.

                This is where the price of the development and production of one Penguin in 300 millions comes from, plus the costs of refinement and operation - half a billion from the bush.

                PS The author of the article named (erroneously) the type of transport for transporting the Falcon step, I added about the danger of transporting high-value cargo with a diameter of 3,7 m along public roads, the width of one lane of which is the same value, the height on wheels is at least four meters, the length itself road trains about 50 meters.
                When transporting the same cargo by rail, the risks of not fitting into the gauge or, especially, a road accident involving motor vehicles are practically eliminated.
                What's wrong?
              2. iwind
                iwind 18 June 2016 01: 53
                -1
                Quote: Operator
                What the hell (sorry for my French) 10 percent produced Penguins - 174 pieces in January this year The Pentagon has seven Fridays a week - at the very beginning of the program they planned as much as 5000
                and if you believe the chairman of the US Senate Armed Services Committee, the production of Penguins must be stopped at the amount reached.

                And when was it? 2003 year. Current DoD plans call for production of 2,457 aircraft in three versions "
                May I quote? about refusal. And then every year extra. purchases over the plan, for 2017 +11 Pieces.
                Quote: Operator
                This is where the price of the development and production of one Penguin in 300 millions comes from, plus the costs of refinement and operation - half a billion from the bush.

                That nonsense again. Where is it from? The production price of me is 100 million. With each next plane, the total price drops.
                Quote: Operator
                alkona, I added about the danger of transporting high-value cargo with a diameter of 3,7 m along public roads, the width of one lane of which is the same value, the height of

                No, you bothered that it is transported by train. Although this is a frank deception
                "So because of the lousy logistics, the Falcon is transported by rail."
  3. 73bor
    73bor 18 June 2016 15: 15
    +1
    Do you really think the technology of this program is really advanced? You don’t have to puff out your cheeks, just think about it and analyze why with all the ADVANCEDness you cannot build a cheap, efficient, reliable PLANE for almost 20 fucking years!
  • 11 black
    11 black 18 June 2016 13: 16
    +1
    Quote: iwind
    Netherlands F-35 at home

    How insignificant they are against our background - I just want to ask - AND THIS IS ALL? negative
    Learn to fly - penguins ...
    1. iwind
      iwind 18 June 2016 23: 01
      -1
      Quote: 11 black
      How insignificant they are against our background - I just want to ask - AND THIS IS ALL?
      Learn to fly - penguins ...

      Mmm ... Is it nothing that the weather is very bad? As a result, I had to fly very low. The second point is not an aerobatic team, but ordinary Air Force combat pilots, with a fairly modest raid on the F-35. No one will risk aircraft in such conditions.
      An example of pak-fa in the Crimea ...

      Here are tests for handling at high angles of attack. Yes, and the Su-35 has a uv and in general one of the most maneuverable aircraft.

      1. 11 black
        11 black 20 June 2016 16: 11
        0
        Quote: iwind
        Mmm ... Is it nothing that the weather is very bad? As a result, I had to fly very low. The second point is not an aerobatic team, but ordinary Air Force combat pilots, with a fairly modest raid on the F-35. No one will risk aircraft in such conditions.

        Firstly - not combat pilots but test pilots - there is a gulf of skill between them ...
        Secondly, it’s not the weather, but the fact that the F-35 will not be able to repeat two-thirds of the maneuvers performed on the Su-35 (like the T-50) - at best it will fall into a tailspin.
        And thirdly - do not even dare to try to compare this iron with the T-50, why - look!

  • APASUS
    APASUS 16 June 2016 21: 04
    +4
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    F-35 is no longer worth protecting. He is already good.

    If he is so good and the number of people who want to buy it is enough, why then sanctions. From the outside, does it look like coercion or is it such a modern kind of business that is understandable only to the Allies?
    The point is that the United States threatened Canada with virtually punitive methods of an economic nature for reducing the number of fifth-generation F-35 fighters acquired or for completely refusing such purchases.
  • Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 17 June 2016 06: 37
    +2
    Quote: Aron Zaavi
    F-35 is no longer worth protecting. He is already good.

    How is he good? What will it bring to mind another 10 years?
    1. Aaron Zawi
      Aaron Zawi 17 June 2016 07: 58
      -3
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock

      How is he good? What will it bring to mind another 10 years?

      we'll see.
    2. iwind
      iwind 17 June 2016 19: 44
      -2
      Quote: Lt. Air Force stock
      Quote: Aron Zaavi
      F-35 is no longer worth protecting. He is already good.

      How is he good? What will it bring to mind another 10 years?

      will not. But in general, he is almost ready, F-35B adopted for service. F-35A in August 2016, is already undergoing the ICG

      Although if we talk about modernization, then yes, even 30-40 years
      1. Idiot
        Idiot 18 June 2016 12: 52
        +1
        Quote: iwind
        But in general, he is almost ready, F-35B adopted for service. F-35A in August 2016, is already undergoing the ICG


        I understand that the video should unconditionally confirm your words? I see: the pilot has the opportunity to sit in the cockpit, the plane can take off and land. And even sheltered from the rain. Why the video in this context?
        1. iwind
          iwind 18 June 2016 23: 07
          0
          Quote: pft, fkb
          Quote: iwind
          But in general, he is almost ready, F-35B adopted for service. F-35A in August 2016, is already undergoing the ICG


          I understand that the video should unconditionally confirm your words? I see: the pilot has the opportunity to sit in the cockpit, the plane can take off and land. And even sheltered from the rain. Why the video in this context?

          The names of the video ... Well, I'll explain
          Eight F-35As and 160 employees from Hill Airbase set off for the ICG at Mountain Base Home, Idaho. For the passage of GSI, they are specially sent to another air base.
          On average, approximately eight sorties a day are planned to test the three main F-35A missions: suppressing and destroying enemy air defenses, direct air support, and Air-to-air missions.
          Passing tests means that the Air Force is considered F-35A combat-ready. At the moment, all signs indicate will be achieved in the near future (from August 2016 to December 2016).
          Then it will be more detailed, something like this


  • Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 18 June 2016 15: 32
    +1
    Quote: Aaron Zawi
    And the show off of the socialist prime minister will end soon.

    Poison
  • iwind
    iwind 16 June 2016 17: 46
    0
    Quote: viktorR
    Well, now there will be more work for Opus and iwind. To protect this penguin, as if their job :), and of course our Jewish "comrades" will catch up :)

    no, but more on that later. I might have ignored it, but I already have such accusations against an elderly person ...
    Eh ... How boring. Everything needs to be taught. If you throw and lie. It is necessary that there would be at least a basis of facts and the truth. And it turns out like this koment from May 31, 2016 00:12 |
    Quote: viktorR
    ? Just write so many articles and comments, you need to be an absolute loafer :)

    So let's see. Oups is already retired, and what he does in his free time is his business. Even more so, the fact that he is socialized in communication with the younger generation is definitely good.
    So about iwinda .... a lot of comments. Although the stop for 4 years, 917 pieces is much less than one piece per day. Hmm .. it takes all the working time ... laughing
    Quote: viktorR
    just looking at you with Opus is not clear, are you working at all, or are you defending Mask and F-35 only on this forum? Or is this the main source of income :)?

    Great logic .... That is, to study that what interests you is to become an agent of the State Department? tin ... Although yes, you need to strictly observe the line of the "party" and in no case study and learn. Otherwise, God forbid, you will know more than the slogans and you will become an agent of the State Department. sad
    Quote: viktorR
    But seriously, I'm not very interested in how much it costs.

    Then what for it was to write this
    Quote: viktorR
    "Yeah, $ 100 million. Without engines)))"
    why amend which you do not know, and are not interesting to you?
    Or is it so easy to "shout" the slogan do not have any facts. And then the logic of this eludes me. Now, if I'm not interested, then I don't even answer or write on this topic. And here it is not interesting and should I write? wassat
    1. opus
      opus 16 June 2016 22: 03
      +4
      Quote: viktorR
      just looking at you with Opus is not clear, are you working at all, or are you defending Mask and F-35 only on this forum? Or is this the main source of income :)?

      ?
      Quote: viktorR
      Just write so many articles and comments, you need to be an absolute loafer :)

      ?

      something I can not find this phrase?
      already "corrected"?
      1. How much time does it take?
      Here Kaptsov, yes ...

      or "boss" ....

      Where do they get the time-xs
      2. I have not many comments
      Of xnumx real less than 1000, the rest is blat or bots wink




      they are not
      Quote: iwind
      Great logic ....

      not logic.
      and I even regret that I apologized like "not in the horse feed ...
      we will not fix the spirit of kengury ...
  • opus
    opus 16 June 2016 22: 32
    +1
    Quote: viktorR
    Well, now works at Opus

    no no...
    I'm waiting for the maskophobes to show
    Quote: "writer-mechanic-engineer certified" Dmitry Konanykhin, copy-paste Rus2012, "Operator" and Co.
    And here comes His awesome Majesty - Railway Envelope. You cannot change bridges, crossings, contact lines along the entire length of the route from the factory to the launch complex, so you must enter the design in the maximum size of the 3.7 meter.

    THREE WHOLE SEVEN TENTH faknashit meter. That's all you can. Do you understand? You, the lord of the United States, who has put everyone in cancer, are forced to reckon with the railway envelope.

    Fakingshiit transportation of Falcon by American rail ..... Faki Shiit.
    Threat. and the article you commenting on me missedis a lie.

    Quote: Author
    The US threatened Canada with virtually punitive methods of an economic nature for the reduction

    is there any difference with the truth?
    Original
    Lockheed Martin responded with a warning about the consequences for Canada in refusing to buy the F-35. Lockheed Martin believes that Canada’s purchase of Boeing’s Super Hornet, Lockheed Martin, will result in LM reducing the number of Canadian companies involved in the production of components for the F-35.

    "I do not want this to be perceived as a threatbut we will have no choice: If Canada is withdrawing from the purchase of the F-35, she should be prepared that we will transfer orders from Canada to other countries acquiring F-35" stated Steve Over, department director Lockheed Martin F-35 International Business in an interview with Canadian Broadcasting Corporation.
    Difference: "The USA threatened Canada with punitive measures" and the Director of the LM department hinted that it will transfer the production of F-35 components from Canada to other countries buyers =
    not just HUGE, but CATASTROPHIC.
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 16 June 2016 13: 53
    +21
    They love their allies and partners laughing Protect laughing
    Now everyone understands why the Israelis are tearing the throat for F-35? One careless word and trunc ... laughing
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 16 June 2016 13: 56
      +7
      Quote: Observer 33
      Now everyone understands why the Israelis are tearing the throat for F-35? One careless word and trunc ...

      It's strange ... And if the Canadians suddenly don't buy the A-35, how will they defend themselves against the "Russian military threat"? Australians - and they bought ...

      laughing
      1. 33 Watcher
        33 Watcher 16 June 2016 14: 19
        +7
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        Australians - and they bought ...

        Ha, bought ... Buy and pay, not one and the same. laughing
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 16 June 2016 14: 25
          +4
          Quote: Observer 33
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          Australians - and they bought ...

          Ha, bought ... Buy and pay, not one and the same. laughing
          Yes, it doesn’t matter ... Bought something under Obama, and the debts for the F-35 to kick out the Clintons. In the best case ... The main thing in Obama's career is the plus sign - he supported his ally, protected him from the "Russian military threat", and at the same time brought some money to America ... And where is that denyushka who will shake it out of Australia - he will salivate him .. ...
    2. Gray brother
      Gray brother 16 June 2016 16: 18
      +6
      Quote: Observer 33
      Now everyone understands why the Israelis are tearing the throat for F-35? One careless word and trunc ...

      And they themselves participate in this program and also bought these pepelats. All that remains for them now is to praise the child prodigy so that they do not look like victims.
  • Same lech
    Same lech 16 June 2016 13: 53
    +20
    According to the head of the Canadian government, "the plane is not necessary for the needs of Canada, and besides, it can be too expensive for the Canadian budget."


    In fact, I don’t understand why CANADA F-35 ...
    It’s like to sew a fifth leg on a dog.
    And jumping uncomfortable and prevents scratching behind the ear.


    in fact, for purely practical reasons, Canada does not need an aircraft of this class. Because the Americans, first of all, created the plane for themselves. The main function of the US Air Force in the modern world is to fly to another country and "bomb" people into democracy, trying to keep their losses to a minimum. Accordingly, the main function of American aircraft is shock, for which stealth systems are optimized to the maximum. This is optimization for stealth, for strikes with high-precision weapons and so on, "the military expert explained.
    And the Canadian Air Force, according to him, has different tasks.
    “The Canadian Air Force's main function is to defend its own territory, it is air defense. For these purposes, stealth technologies are not very important, other characteristics are much more important: flight range, interception speed, and so on. That is, in fact, most of the functionality , laid by the Americans in their plane, Canada is not in demand. They need air defense interceptors, first of all. And this function on the F-35 is not very optimized. In general, most of the US allies need the strike functions of the F-35, if only they will follow Americans around the world and implant democracy with precision bombs, "


    RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/radio_brief/20151022/1306477248.html#ixzz4BjrE4cQN
    1. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 16 June 2016 13: 54
      +6
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      In fact, I don’t understand why CANADA F-35 ...

      Canada itself does not understand, only it is not asked laughing
      1. Oznob
        Oznob 16 June 2016 15: 03
        -1
        I wouldn’t really underestimate Canadians. Dushka they have more than the Europeans.
    2. 2s1122
      2s1122 16 June 2016 14: 33
      +2
      In the heat of shit democracy allies laughing can ekstranichat and themselves this F-35 otdemokratit in full belay
    3. ARES623
      ARES623 16 June 2016 22: 02
      +2
      Quote: The same LYOKHA
      in fact, a plane of this class for purely practical reasons, Canada is not needed. Because the Americans, in the first place, created a plane for themselves.

      It’s very expensive to create airplanes of such a price and complexity level for yourself, because in order for it to be in the series within the design price, the series must be large. To do this, the project is initially promoted and a group of customers is assembled, which guarantee the volume of acquisition and partially pay for the work on the project. At the same time, Canada, having entered into a conspiracy with the manufacturer, undertook to supply something for the head production. Of course, for good money, which, in fact, should be beaten off when selling the finished product. The Canadian budget is sawn in this manner by Canadian firms. But something went awry. The product did not reach the design (rapier) characteristics and, moreover, has become significantly more expensive. So the situation between Lockheed, the Canadian government and Canadian Lockheed contractors is well within the logic of the market. Lockheed simply promised the whole world that which he could not realize. Elementary fraud ... Such is it, globalization. Canada plunged into $ 0,6 billion because it itself cannot carry out the full-fledged design and construction of a modern combat aircraft with its own capacities.
    4. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 17 June 2016 01: 04
      0
      "The Canadian Air Force's main function is to protect its own territory, this is air defense /////

      From whom? smile
      They have common air defense with the United States throughout the North American continent. And the economy is tight
      integrated with the USA.
      Now they have an F-18. Also not an interceptor, but a strike aircraft. Nice plane, but
      beginning to become obsolete.
  • Garris199
    Garris199 16 June 2016 13: 54
    +7
    "Whoever takes a pack of tickets will get a water pump. If you don't take it, we will turn off the gas."
  • Prisoner
    Prisoner 16 June 2016 13: 57
    +4
    Here is the boor! First, teach the device to fly normally, then steam it into different suckers.
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 16 June 2016 14: 56
      +1
      But how do you teach him if he does not wave wings?
      1. Alexanast
        Alexanast 16 June 2016 15: 29
        +8
        Well, it happens that an elk flies ... if you push it off a cliff wassat
        1. Polite Moose
          Polite Moose 16 June 2016 16: 21
          +1
          Quote: Alexanast
          Well, it happens that an elk flies ... if you push it off a cliff wassat


          Yeah, yeah. It was a deal. laughing

          And what about Canada, what can I say?
          The collective farm is voluntary. If you want, join. Do not want to - shoot.
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  • weksha50
    weksha50 16 June 2016 14: 00
    +6
    "Canadian share in the F-35 project (Joint Strike Fighter) is more than 0,6 billion US dollars. Moreover, more than a hundred different Canadian companies are involved in the project "...

    That is, you’ll lose the money you invested, and you’ll get some other dirty tricks ...

    And how to understand that the Canadian stake will be given to other comers ??? What, there are such unreasonable - crazy money to invest in the American military-industrial complex and the economy to the detriment of their economy? ... Although, what can I say ... Of course, there are ... Especially from the Young People ... Although they themselves have their own budgets like not really ...

    PS Oh, Ukraine would definitely have invested 3 billion tugriks that it owed to Russia ... True, on one condition - if they had it ...
  • Wolka
    Wolka 16 June 2016 14: 00
    0
    all slippers have sailed to the sofa, there will be no kina, the electricity has run out ...
  • beer-youk
    beer-youk 16 June 2016 14: 03
    +15
    The United States is very similar to the gopniks in the gateway - Buy a brick, otherwise you will grab it!
    1. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 16 June 2016 15: 02
      +3
      You clearly noticed. They are the punks.
  • atamankko
    atamankko 16 June 2016 14: 03
    +3
    You can’t offend the owner so, for which you will be punished.
  • Russia
    Russia 16 June 2016 14: 06
    +3
    "The plane is not necessary for the needs of Canada, and besides, it can be too expensive for the Canadian budget."

    She may not need an airplane, but Lockheed needs the money!
  • V.ic
    V.ic 16 June 2016 14: 06
    +1
    There is a proverb on this topic: "Darling scold - only amuse themselves." They will have everything in chocolate ... and on "A" there will be on "I", and they will buy the Amerikosian eraplans, they will not go anywhere.
    1. quote
      quote 16 June 2016 14: 23
      0
      Quote: V.ic
      Amerikosovskie eryplany buy, will not go anywhere.

      So if airplanes. Not good luck in the technical project, you can edit and modernize the finished product, and make the "iron" fly, then I'm sorry.
      In general, it touches how the allies are "bend over". Well, well, the NATt-oo bloc .. - well! (Surprise "bolt")
      Have Canadian companies already flown to the economic forum in St. Petersburg?
      "We do not ask for mercy", we are waiting !!!
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 16 June 2016 14: 27
        0
        Quote: devis
        and "iron" to make to fly, then forgive me.

        It all depends on engine power. hi
  • Engineer
    Engineer 16 June 2016 14: 06
    0
    Yes, the States can afford to buy their products.
  • x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 16 June 2016 14: 06
    +1
    Ot-teto in a partnership! As the saying goes, "love the USA, and they will love you twice!" Well, if not, then ...
  • soroKING
    soroKING 16 June 2016 14: 10
    +1
    I once asked my father, dad, in childhood, what is an eccentric letter M? he said, this is such a person who thinks he is cunning, but nothing comes of his tricks, but in general, son, you don’t say that word ... such a hint hi
  • Alexez
    Alexez 16 June 2016 14: 11
    0
    Well, that’s not a topic about the F-35, then a joke turns out))
  • Signore Tomato
    Signore Tomato 16 June 2016 14: 11
    +3
    Oh, I'm afraid that the health of Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau will soon deteriorate sharply and an "accident" will occur, like with Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez ...
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 16 June 2016 14: 34
      +3
      Quote: Signor Tomato
      Canadian Prime Minister Justin Trudeau's health will soon deteriorate

      Are you hinting at an epidemic of "cancer"? No, their "children from a female dog" they will not spread rot, not politically correct. M. b. some kind of sex scandal in the style of "strauss-kan" ... or the unexpected discovery of a Russian agent competing in the intimate sphere with Mr. Prime Minister / Profumo case /.
    2. Black Colonel
      Black Colonel 16 June 2016 15: 38
      +1
      Two heart attacks in the heart, a control stroke in the head?
  • iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 16 June 2016 14: 11
    +3
    Come on, guys. Swear darlings, dabble. This iron will NEVER fly normally, it is already labeled. You have an awesome prospect to stay without serious aviation. Greetings from Sukhoi and Mikoyan with Tupolev. soldier
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 16 June 2016 14: 36
      -2
      Quote: iliitch
      Greetings from Sukhoi and Mikoyan with Tupolev.

      You, this, "with regards", it is better to wait on the sidelines!
  • nivander
    nivander 16 June 2016 14: 11
    +3
    if translated from a normal language, then the Americans directly told Canadians "Serfs must know their place"
  • olimpiada15
    olimpiada15 16 June 2016 14: 12
    +5
    US threatens Canada with economic measures for refusing to acquire F35
    This is American-style democracy.
    The United States is everything, the rest can only what the United States needs. Hegemon however.
    1. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 16 June 2016 14: 52
      +4
      Quote: olimpiada15
      The United States is everything, the rest can only what the United States needs. Hegemon however.


      In some places, such hegemons are called fast tangerines, and the appropriate place is given to them.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 19 June 2016 00: 38
        0
        The people in our understanding are ohlos, the demos are a wealthy part of the people, democracy is the power of the oligarchs.
  • ydjin
    ydjin 16 June 2016 14: 15
    +3
    The problems of the Sheriff Indians are not .. excite! laughing Canada wipe yourself and think recourse who is in your house am
    1. kill the fascist
      kill the fascist 16 June 2016 14: 47
      +1
      Canada, on this score, I think has no illusions. if recent world events have shown that Germany and France are under external control, then the maple tree, which is located next to the United States, never gets off the hook.
    2. kill the fascist
      kill the fascist 16 June 2016 14: 47
      0
      Canada, on this score, I think has no illusions. if recent world events have shown that Germany and France are under external control, then the maple tree, which is located next to the United States, never gets off the hook.
  • hunt1
    hunt1 16 June 2016 14: 18
    +2
    And who will not take it off ... sorry we impose sanctions! laughing laughing laughing
  • dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 16 June 2016 14: 30
    +3
    I would take the United States as an example from my accomplice - Ukraine and blow up power lines leading to Canada ...
  • Munchhausen
    Munchhausen 16 June 2016 14: 32
    +4
    2020, Russia punishes the USA for refusing to buy Kalina and Priora cars.
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 16 June 2016 14: 35
      +2
      punishes the USA for refusing to buy cars Kalina and Priora.

      Harshly. And to make it even more severe, only with manual transmission.
  • Wedmak
    Wedmak 16 June 2016 14: 32
    +3
    And we will come to the conclusion that the United States will distribute ALL sanctions. And it will sit on a stump. In general, the USA reminds me of this character more and more.
  • sogdianec
    sogdianec 16 June 2016 14: 32
    +1
    Quote: Garris199
    It is necessary to connect the mask. It will lull the device with solar batteries and boil into the lungs of enthusiastic partners.


    Yeah, and after the pilot’s bailout, the emergency plane will return to the launch pad, sorry, the runway.

    Canadians, radishes, do not want to help their brothers solve the problem of big debt.
  • bad
    bad 16 June 2016 14: 33
    +3
    US media: US intends to punish Canada with economic measures for refusing to acquire F-35
    ... heh..maydan Canada arrange..nuland send them laughing ..there are a lot of "horses" ... only tires, vodka and cookies deliver .. laughing
  • 96423lom
    96423lom 16 June 2016 14: 42
    +2
    I have the impression that they learn life from our comedies "And if they don’t take, turn off the gas".
  • pts-m
    pts-m 16 June 2016 14: 49
    +1
    Who would doubt that everything that happens in Pendostan and Canada is happening on a “friendly” note.
  • TOR2
    TOR2 16 June 2016 14: 49
    0
    I do not want my words to be perceived as a threat, but we will have no other choice. If Canada moves away from F-35, we are ready to move the Canadian part of the project to those countries that are ready to purchase an aircraft.

    Move to "sprotland". They will simply be crazy about such a proposal.
  • soroKING
    soroKING 16 June 2016 14: 53
    0
    Quote: Munchhausen
    2020, Russia punishes the USA for refusing to buy Kalina and Priora cars.

    Americans cry but buy angry
  • Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 16 June 2016 14: 56
    +1
    In place of Canada and some European countries, such as Holland. I would not spend money on expensive weapons. To buy influenza and F-16. They have no one to fight, why such a waste?
  • Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 16 June 2016 14: 59
    +2
    This is a zrada zrada !!!! As mattresses have not yet begun an invasion of Canada from two sides))) And what is an occasion for the unification of the entire continent under one flag. I remember in Mexico and Texas was chopped off for less infringement.
  • Tolik_74
    Tolik_74 16 June 2016 15: 02
    +1
    The hegemons of democracy have impotence for already a year and a half-past six punishment.
  • then
    then 16 June 2016 15: 08
    +1
    The country with the most advanced economies and the most advanced economic methods in action.
    It's like in the advertisement of the 2000s: "I took out an interest-free loan from the bank ...".
  • kill the fascist
    kill the fascist 16 June 2016 15: 08
    +1
    network marketing is called, if I’m not confusing something.
    in pursuit of profit, the Americans will surely bend their sixes and force them to buy a raw airplane; they will not find themselves in a financial mess. but themselves and their allies will have on their balance sheet an expensive and not optimal aircraft, which cannot but rejoice.
  • then
    then 16 June 2016 15: 14
    0
    But in general, the F-35 project without Canadian components will not be sure? Or will the United States engage in import substitution?
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 16 June 2016 15: 19
    +3
    What's so sensational?
    If you don’t want to participate in the project, leave it completely,
    not with one foot.

    Suppose, suddenly, the Indians say to Russia: "We do not want to acquire
    You have a S-300 (for example), but we want to produce a radar for the S-300 (for example). "

    What will Russia answer: "Yes, then go to 3 letters." And it will be right ... so with Canada.
    1. Alexanast
      Alexanast 16 June 2016 15: 37
      +7
      Of course, we don’t need a Hindu radar (for example)
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 16 June 2016 17: 12
      +1
      Hoping for a Canadian stake for Israel in the project? Well, well ... Your comment on Lockheed Martin will not be read. request
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 17 June 2016 00: 50
        0
        We would not refuse. These are very modern technologies that pull the whole
        industry. For example, in Israel they make wings for the F-35.
        There, the tolerance is less than a millimeter over the entire area of ​​contact of the wing with the fuselage.
        It is necessary to sweat the engineers and craftsmen to ensure such accuracy.
        And work with carbon is not at all work with duralumin.
  • Mercenary
    Mercenary 16 June 2016 15: 34
    +2
    For a long time there was no Maidan in Toronto! Did the vassal disobey the "exclusive" monkey owner?
  • dobrovchic
    dobrovchic 16 June 2016 15: 47
    +2
    What is permitted to Jupiter is not permitted to the bull! They call it equal partnership. laughing laughing laughing
  • pol_ovnik
    pol_ovnik 16 June 2016 15: 59
    +1
    And really, why goat button accordion ?!
  • Eustace
    Eustace 16 June 2016 16: 02
    +1
    NATO membership is never free. Feed American industry with your money. And if you don't want to, the "big brother" will force you. laughing
  • XODOP
    XODOP 16 June 2016 16: 07
    +1
    It is necessary to star-striped exemplary bombing on the F-35 in Toronto and Ottawa. And they will punish Canadians for disobedience and at the same time arrange an advertisement for their flying iron.
  • Krasniy_lis
    Krasniy_lis 16 June 2016 16: 10
    0
    In the United States recorded a massive computer crash
    A failure in the computer system led to the loss of data on 100 thousand investigations conducted by the US Air Force over the past 12 years, Defense One reports. The system was maintained by Lockheed Martin. The reason for the failure is not specified.
    This is absolutely all information about the US Air Force investigations since 2004.

    The data related to fraud and theft in the Air Force, conflicts between civilian employees, as well as the internal affairs of the military. An investigation is underway.

    The US Air Force plans to attract Pentagon specialists and private companies to recover information. Version of hacker attack or malicious intent of employees is not considered

    the original is here
    http://www.defenseone.com/technology/2016/06/computer-crash-wipes-out-years-air-

    force-investigation-records / 129049 /
  • engineer74
    engineer74 16 June 2016 16: 16
    +2
    Where is Ukraine looking !? belay
    Enter the project instead of Canada! The same jobs, money and wunderwaffles at a discount! fellow
    Such a megaprimer is planned! Really pass by?
    PS In the light of the foregoing, the thought creeps in that not all F-35 buyers are volunteers, and nobody canceled bribes with kickbacks ...
  • Drzog
    Drzog 16 June 2016 16: 31
    +1
    Let them buy, but more! A great way to lower the combat effectiveness of NATO countries for their own money.
  • cap
    cap 16 June 2016 17: 04
    +3
    For reference: the Canadian share in the F-35 (Joint Strike Fighter) project is over 0,6 billion US dollars. At the same time, more than a hundred different Canadian companies are involved in the project. In the US, Canada is frightened by the fact that all these companies will suffer losses.

    Such rhetoric reminded me of the 90s in Russia.

    "Uncle buy a brick" laughing
  • There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 16 June 2016 18: 03
    +1
    The mongrel refused to eat what give? Kick her tight!
  • t118an
    t118an 16 June 2016 18: 17
    +2
    Slavery in the USA is a system of slavery and the use of labor of slaves that existed in the British American colonies and the USA in 1619-1865 ....... but it turned out ... It (Slavery) remained in the USA and is being imposed on everyone .. even its closest neighbors and allies ...
  • dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 16 June 2016 18: 18
    +2
    Allies of a Christmas tree stick, chickens to laugh. But Canada overdid it at one time in anti-Russian hysteria.