"Toucan Class"

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"Toucan Class"


At the beginning of 1978 in Brazil, Embraer began designing an aircraft, which later became known as the EMB-312 Tucano. According to the developers, the main purpose of the “Tukano” was to be the training of pilots, as well as use as a light attack aircraft and patrol aircraft in “anti-guerrilla” operations in the absence of resistance from fighters and modern air defense systems. Initially, at the design stage, the task was to minimize costs during the operation and maintenance of the aircraft. Subsequently, the "Tukano" became the hallmark of the Brazilian aviation industry. Being one of the most successful and commercially successful modern combat training aircraft, it received deserved recognition both in Brazil and abroad. It was this aircraft that in many ways became a kind of benchmark for the creators of other TCBs and light multi-purpose combat aircraft with a turboprop engine.

"Tukano" is built on the normal aerodynamic configuration with a low-lying straight wing and resembles piston fighters of the Second World War. Its “heart” is the Pratt-Whitney Canada turboprop engine PT6A-25C with a capacity of 750 l. with. With a three-bladed reversible propeller automatically changeable pitch. Fuel tanks with internal anti-knock coating with a total capacity of 694 liters are located in the wing. The armament was placed on four underwing pylons (up to 250 kg per pylon). It can be four hanging containers with 7,62-mm machine guns (ammunition - 500 cartridges per barrel), bombs, blocks 70-mm NAR.

Rational layout predetermined the success of "Tukano", the plane turned out pretty easy - its dry weight does not exceed 1870 kg. Normal take-off weight is 2550 kg, maximum - 3195 kg. The plane without external suspensions developed the maximum speed of 448 km / h, cruising speed - 411 km / h. Practical range 1840 km. Resource airframe modifications EMB-312F is 10 000 hours.


Embraer EMB-312 Tucano


The first flight of the Tukano took place in August 1980 of the year, and in September of the 1983 of the year, mass-produced aircraft began to flow into the combat units of the Brazilian Air Force. Initially, the Brazilian Air Force ordered an 133 aircraft machine. The Middle Eastern countries, Egypt and Iraq, have shown interest in turboprop trainings. According to the contracts, in Egypt put 54, and in Iraq 80 aircraft. Build "Tukano" for buyers from the Middle East was carried out in Egypt at the company "AOI". Following Egypt and Iraq, EMB-312 purchased for their air forces: Argentina (30 aircraft), Venezuela (31), Honduras (12), Iran (25), Colombia (14), Paraguay (6), Peru (30). In 1993, the French Air Force bought the 50 aircraft EMB-312F. TCB for the French Air Force has a glider with a fatigue life increased to 10 000 hours, the French avionics, as well as a modified fuel filling system, anti-icing system of the propeller and cockpit canopy.

In the second half of 80's, the British firm Short has acquired a license for assembling Tukano, which was a major success for the Brazilian firm Embraer. The modification for the Royal Air Force is characterized by a more powerful engine, Allied Signal TRE331 (1 x 1100 hp). Since July 1987, Short has built the 130 Tukano, which has received the S312 designation in the UK.

Some buyers, such as Venezuela, purchased airplanes in two versions: TC-T-27 and light AT-27 two-seater attack aircraft. Unlike training machines, the assault modification was sent to combat squadrons and had more advanced sights and light cockpit armor protection.



In total, up to 1996, more than 600 aircraft were built. In a number of countries, in addition to training pilots and training flights, Tukano took an active part in combat operations. The aircraft was used to launch bombings and assault attacks in local interstate conflicts, fought irregular rebel formations, made patrol-reconnaissance flights, and stopped drug trafficking. “Tukano” turned out to be quite good in the role of an interceptor fighter in the fight against cocaine delivery, there are not one forcefully planted and shot down light-engined aircraft loaded with drugs loaded into it. During the Iran-Iraq war, the Tukano, operating at low altitudes, launched bombing attacks and were used as reconnaissance spotters. There have been quite effective actions of these light turboprop attack aircraft during the border conflict between Peru and Ecuador in 1995 on the Senep river. Accurate blows NAR "Tukano" supported the promotion of Peruvian "commandos" in the jungle. Using phosphorus ammunition, giving white smoke well visible from the air, they "marked" targets for other, faster and heavier combat aircraft. Thanks to air superiority in this war, Peru managed to take up above Ecuador.

Most of all "Tukano" in battle lost the Air Force of Venezuela. During the anti-government military insurgency in November 1992, the AT-27 insurgents bombed and fired on with unguided rockets the troops remaining loyal to the president. At the same time, several light attack aircraft were shot down over Caracas by anti-aircraft 12,7-mm machine guns and F-16A fighters.

In 2003, the serial construction of the EMB-314 Super Tucano began. The aircraft received the Pratt-Whitney Canada engine PT6A-68C with a power of 1600 hp. and reinforced glider. The weight of an empty aircraft increased to 2420 kg, and the length of almost half a meter. The normal take-off weight is 2890 kg, and the maximum is 3210 kg. The maximum speed increased to 557 km / h. Resource glider is 18 000 hours.

The aircraft is designed to work in conditions of high temperature and humidity, has good take-off and landing characteristics, which allows it to be based on limited length of unpaved runways. The cockpit is covered with Kevlar armor, providing protection against armor-piercing rifle bullets from a distance of 300 meters.


EMB-314 Super Tucano


Armament "Super Tukano" became more powerful, in the root of the wings appeared embedded 12,7-mm machine guns with ammunition for 200 ammunition on the barrel. The combat load with a total weight of up to 1550 kg is placed on five suspension nodes, cannon and machine-gun containers, unguided and guided missile and bomb weapons can be placed on them. For the use of guided weapons, a data display system has been installed on the pilot's helmet, integrated into the aircraft’s control equipment. The system is based on the MIL-STD-553B digital bus and operates according to the HOTAS (Hand On Throttle and Stick) standard.


12,7-mm machine gun "Super Tukano"


During the patrol flights of the first “Tukano” variants over the jungles of Amazonia, there was revealed the need for special infrared reconnaissance and survey equipment capable of detecting bases and camps of insurgents and drug barons and fixing their coordinates. For the "Super Tukano" there are several options for reconnaissance containers of American and French production, including the compact side-looking radar. In total, the Brazilian Air Force ordered 99 aircraft. In the two-seater A-29 version, 66 airplanes were ordered, the remaining 33 aircraft are single A-29А.


Lightweight single attack A-29A Super Tucano


In addition to the combat training double, a purely shock single version was created, designated A-29A. An additional 400-liter retrofit fuel tank was installed in place of the second pilot, which significantly increased the time spent in the air. According to the information provided by the Embraer company, the single “Super Tucano” with a search suspension container fixing thermal radiation, thanks to the increased flight range, has perfectly established itself as a night fighter when intercepting light aircraft of smugglers. Tests have shown that he can also effectively deal with combat helicopters.

3 June 2009, there was a case of forced landing of an aircraft carrying drugs, which received wide publicity. Two Brazilian Super Tukano intercepted Cessna U206G, which transported drugs from Bolivia. The smugglers' cessna was intercepted in the Mori d'Oeste region, but its pilot did not obey the demand to follow the planes of the Brazilian Air Force. Only after the warning lines at the rate of the intruder from the 12,7-mm machine guns, the Cessna landed at Cacoal airport. 176 kg of cocaine was found on its board.



The two-seater A-29B is equipped with various avionics and suspension containers needed to control the battlefield and use guided weapons. Due to the presence of a second crew member, acting as a weapon operator, and a pilot-observer, the double light attack aircraft proved to be optimal for use in operations where patrolling is required, which passes into the shock phase. As a carrier weapons The Super Tucano is used as part of the Amazon SIVAM control system (Sistema para Vigilancia de Amazonas), paired with EMB-145 reconnaissance aircraft.

As of 2014 year, more than 150 Super Tucano attack aircraft have flown more than 314 130 hours, including 000 18 hours in combat missions. According to Embraer, due to its high maneuverability, low thermal visibility and good survivability, the aircraft proved to be excellent during combat missions, and not a single A-000 was lost from anti-aircraft fire. However, in the Super Tukano battle zone they do not always perform shock functions, they are often used as reconnaissance and observation aircraft.

5 August 2011 Brazilian armed forces launched Operation Agata on the border with Colombia. It was attended by more 3000 military personnel and police officers, as well as 35 airplanes and helicopters. The purpose of the operation was to curb illegal mining, trade in wild animals, mining and drug trafficking. During Operation Super Tukano, 500-pounder bombs bombed several illegal runways, making them unsuitable for use.

15 September 2011 was launched in Brazil, on the border with Uruguay, Argentina and Paraguay, the operation Agata-2. During its Super Tukano, three airfields in the jungle were destroyed and, together with the F-5Tiger II fighter jets, intercepted 33 aircraft carrying drugs. Brazilian security forces seized 62 tons of drugs, made 3000 arrests and seized more than 650 tons of weapons and explosives.

On November 2, 2011, Operation Agatha-3 started. Its purpose was to restore order on the border with Bolivia, Peru and Paraguay. The special operation was attended by 6500 military and police personnel, 10 boats, 200 cars and 70 aircraft. Agatha-3 became the largest Brazilian special operation involving the army, fleet and the Air Force to combat trafficking in persons and organized crime in the border zone. In addition to the Super Tucano, combat operations by the AMX, F-5 Tiger II, AWACS and UAVs took part in the operation from the Air Force. On December 7, 2011, a spokesman for the Brazilian Ministry of Defense announced that drug seizures had increased by 1319% over the past six months from the previous period.


A-29 The Colombian Air Force


The two-seater light attack aircraft A-29B were very actively used in Colombia. In January 2007, Colombian Air Force planes launched a missile and bomb attack on a rebel camp of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia. In 2011, operating in reconnaissance and combat pairs on the strongholds of the leftist rebels, the Super Tucano first used laser-guided high-precision Griffin ammunition. Thanks to advanced reconnaissance and strike systems supplied by the United States, the effectiveness of combat missions against insurgents and drug trafficking has increased significantly. As a result of airstrikes using high-precision aviation ammunition managed to eliminate a number of rebel commanders. In this regard, the activity of armed detachments operating in the jungle has significantly decreased. Observers note that the number of heavy weapons (mortars, machine guns and RPGs) has decreased in the Colombian illegal formations, as well as in numbers.

The Dominican Republic also uses its “Super Tucano” to combat drug trafficking. After this country received the first turboprop aircraft at the end of 2009 and successfully intercepted several light aircraft carrying a load of drugs, smugglers began to avoid flying into the airspace of the Dominican Republic. It has been reported that Dominican A-29B also patrol over Haiti.

Interest in acquiring A-29B Super Tucano was expressed by the US Special Operations Command. In February, the United States and the Brazilian Embraer signed an agreement in February, according to which the Super Tukano, in a slightly modified form, will be built in the United States at the Embraer plant in Jacksonville, Florida. The task of these machines, equipped with sophisticated radio-electronic equipment, will be aviation support of special units, reconnaissance and surveillance during anti-terrorist operations. Part of the aircraft built in the United States, is intended as a military aid to Iraq and Afghanistan. In January 2013, the first four A-2016s arrived in Afghanistan. Before that, Afghan pilots were trained in the United States at the Moody Air Force Base in Georgia.

In 1978, five years earlier than the Brazilian Tukano, mass production of the Swiss Pilatus PC-7 began. In the same year, the first deliveries to Bolivia and Burma began. A double training monoplane with a low wing and retractable three-bearing landing gear was a success with the flight and technical staff, in total more than 600 aircraft were built. The design of the Pilatus PC-7 has a lot in common with the piston Pilatus PC-3. It is symbolic that the Tukano and Pilatus used a very successful turboprop engine of the same model Pratt Whitney Canada PT6A-25With 750 power.


Рilatus PC-7


PC-7 initially had a purely civilian purpose. Swiss legislation has serious restrictions on the supply of arms abroad. Therefore, “Pilatusy”, received by foreign customers, were finished already in place in accordance with their own preferences and capabilities. Armed with the PC-7 can carry up to a ton of combat load on the 6 external suspension nodes. It can be machine-gun containers, NAR, bombs and incendiary tanks. Before the advent of the EMB-312 Tucano, the Pilatus PC-7 had almost no competitors and it was a huge success on the global arms market. Everyone was pleased, the Swiss were selling it as a purely peaceful TCB, and after a little refinement, customers received an effective and inexpensive counterguerrilla attack aircraft. Unlike the Brazilian company Embraer, which advertises its cars as lightweight anti-guerrilla attack aircraft, the Swiss Pilatus Aircraft sells its aircraft as training aircraft, and avoids mention of their participation in hostilities. For this reason, despite the fact that the career of “Pilatusov” is full of combat episodes, there is little information in open sources about this. The most large-scale armed conflict, where they fought, was the Iran-Iraq war. Turboprop "Pilatus" Iraqi Air Force provided direct aviation support to small units and corrected artillery fire. It is known that from several machines mustard gas was sprayed in areas densely populated by Kurds. The use of chemical weapons with PC-7 has led to the tightening of control by the Swiss government over the export of TCB, which in many ways paved the way for Brazilian Tukano.

Beginning in 1982, the PC-7 of the Guatemalan Air Force launched strikes against rebel camps in the jungle. One plane was shot down with a return fire from the ground, and at least one that received serious damage had to be written off. Guatemalan Pilatuses were actively used on combat missions until the end of the conflict in 1996.

Angola’s RS-7 air force played a key role in the liquidation of the UNITA Angolan opposition movement. Armed with light phosphorus bombs and NAR turboprop attack aircraft piloted by mercenaries of the South African firm Executive Automs, invited by the Angolan government. Pilatus pilots, flying over the jungle at low altitudes, opened up the facilities, and the UNITA front lines fired upon them at the NAR and marked them with phosphorous ammunition. After that, the MiG-23 and the An-26 and An-12 "bombers" entered the scene. Such tactics have repeatedly increased the accuracy and effectiveness of the bombing.

In 1994, PC-7, the Mexican Air Force launched rocket attacks on the camps of the Zapatist National Liberation Army (SANO). Human rights organizations cited evidence that many civilians were injured in the process, which eventually resulted in a ban imposed by the Swiss government on the sale of training aircraft to Mexico.

In the second half of 90, the private military company Executive Outcomes used several PC-7 to provide direct air support for combat operations in Sierra Leone.

Pilatus PC-7 and Pilatus PC-9 have become evolutionary development options for Pilatus PC-21. Serial production of PC-9 began in 1985 year, the first customer was the Air Force of Saudi Arabia. From the PC-7, the TCB PC-9 was distinguished by the Pratt-Whitney Canada engine of the PT6-62 X-horsepower 1150, a more durable glider, improved aerodynamics and ejection seats. The combat load remained the same.


Pilatus PC-9


PC-9 was ordered mainly by countries that had operating experience with PC-7. Due to restrictions on sales to countries involved in armed conflicts or having problems with separatists, as well as competition with Embraer EMB-312 Tucano, sales of Pilatus PC-9 did not exceed 250 units.

It is known that PC-9 of the Air Force of Chad participated in the fighting on the border with Sudan, and the Air Force of Myanmar used them to fight the rebels. Aircraft of this type were also available in Angola, Oman and Saudi Arabia. These countries with a high degree of probability could use aircraft in combat as scouts and light attack aircraft, but there are no reliable details.

PC-9 is manufactured in the USA under license from Beechcraft Corporation under the designation T-6A Texan II. The American version differs from the PC-9 in the shape of the cockpit lantern. The number of US-built TCBs surpassed the Swiss original many times and exceeded 700 units.

On the basis of TCB T-6A created several combat options. T-6A Texan II NTA is designed to use unguided weapons - machine gun containers and NAR. The aircraft differs from the base TCB by the presence of suspension units and the simplest sight. At the modernized T-6B Texan II with the same composition of weapons installed "glass cabin" with LCD displays and more advanced sighting equipment. On the T-6C Texan II added additional nodes suspension arms, it is intended for export sales. T-6D Texan II based on T-6B and T-6C is the latest modification of the multipurpose training center for the US Air Force.


AT-6B


Designed specifically to perform the shock functions of the AT-6B, the Wolverine is capable of carrying a wide range of guided aircraft weapons and various reconnaissance equipment on seven suspension points. AT-6B can be used for solving various tasks: direct aviation support, advanced aviation guidance, application of point strikes by guided munitions, observation and reconnaissance with the possibility of high-precision coordinate registration, streaming video and data transmission. Compared with earlier versions, the AT-6B has a strengthened airframe design and introduced a number of additional technical solutions to increase survivability. The aircraft has a missile attack warning system, an electronic warfare control system ALQ-213, and a radio communications equipment ARC-210. Engine power increased to 1600 HP


Ground handling AT-6B


It is reported that in the course of "testing" in a number of missions, in providing direct support to the Special Forces, AT-6B proved better than the A-10 attack aircraft.

Turboprop T-6 aircraft of various modifications were delivered to Canada, Greece, Iraq, Israel, Mexico, Morocco, New Zealand and the UK. Widespread T-6 as a light attack aircraft prevents its high price. So, without weapons, armor, and reconnaissance and guidance equipment, the cost of the T-6 is about 500 000 $. The EMB-314 Super Tucano costs about the same, but already armed. In addition, in a number of sources it was mentioned that the “Super Tucano” is simpler and cheaper to maintain. An indirect confirmation of this is that the Special Operations Forces of the United States and the Afghan Air Force chose the Brazilian aircraft as a light attack aircraft.

Since 2008, Pilatus PC-21 has been supplied to customers. When creating a new TCB, the Pilatus designers relied on the experience gained in the PC family of machines. The management of the Swiss Pilatus Aircraft announced that PC-21 was created in order to capture at least 50% of the global TCB market. In reality, today sold a little more than 130 aircraft.


Pilatus PC-21


Best aerodynamic performance, Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A-68B 1600 hp engine and the new wing give the PC-21 a higher roll and top speed than the PC-9. The aircraft is equipped with a very advanced avionics and has the ability to adapt flight data for specific requirements.


PC-21 Cab


In addition to the Swiss Air Force, PC-21 was shipped to Australia, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, Singapore and the United Arab Emirates. As an option on the plane, it is possible to place five external suspension units, with a total capacity of 1150 kg. However, in the current situation, PC-21 cannot compete with Brazilian and American vehicles as a light "counterguerrilla" attack aircraft.

Common to all aircraft mentioned in this publication is the use of very successful turboprop engines of various modifications of the Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6A family. According to their weight and size characteristics, power and specific fuel consumption, these turbine engines are the best suited for training aircraft and light attack aircraft. Historically, turboprop TCBs were in great demand as "anti-insurgency" aircraft. Initially, they carried only unguided weapons: machine guns, NAR, free-fall bombs and incendiary tanks. However, the desire to improve the accuracy of air strikes, reduce vulnerability to fire from the ground and make light attack aircraft all day long led to the fact that these machines began to carry very sophisticated and sophisticated search and targeting systems and high-precision guided aircraft ammunition. So, the cost of sighting and navigation equipment and weapons of the American AT-6B Wolverine is comparable to the cost of the aircraft itself. The combat experience gained in a number of local conflicts and anti-terrorist campaigns has shown that a modern "anti-partisan" aircraft must have the following characteristics:

1. The maximum speed is no more than 700 km / h, and the working one is no more than 300-400 km / h. Otherwise, the pilot will experience a shortage of time for aiming, which, in general, it turned out during the Second World War and was confirmed in Korea and Vietnam.

2. "Anti-guerrilla" aircraft should have cockpit body armor and the most important parts of small arms and modern means of countering MANPADS.

3. Depending on the task, the aircraft should be able to use a wide range of guided and unguided weapons, to operate day and night, for which a set of optoelectronic and radar suspension and embedded systems is necessary. When performing "anti-terrorist" tasks and providing direct air support for a combat load of 1000-1500 kg, it is quite enough.

Comparing the Tukan class aircraft with the Su-25 and A-10 jet fighters in service in the Air Force, it can be noted that with the “working” speed of 500-600 km / h, there is often not enough time for visual detection of the target, taking into account the pilot's response. Jet attack aircraft capable of carrying a large "payload" created to combat armored vehicles in a "big war", acting against all sorts of insurgents, often spend it irrationally.

Combat helicopters are better suited to perform "special tasks", their combat load is comparable to that capable of carrying turboprop attack aircraft. But it should be recognized that, due to the design features, both at a lower speed and at a higher cost, the helicopter is an easier target for anti-aircraft fire than a Tukan class combat aircraft. In addition, the residence time of a turboprop attack aircraft in the target area due to significantly lower specific fuel consumption can be several times longer than that of a helicopter. An important factor, especially for the Third World countries, is that the cost of the flight hour of a turboprop “anti-rebel” attack aircraft may be several times less than that of a combat helicopter or a jet combat aircraft when performing the same task.

In various "hot spots" around the world, UAVs have been widely used in the last decade, giving rise to a real "unmanned boom". On the "Military Review" in a number of comments, the opinion was repeatedly expressed that light attack aircraft, or as they were even called "under-aircraft" in the near future, will be replaced by remotely piloted aircraft. But reality shows the opposite trend - interest in light universal turboprop combat aircraft is only growing. For all their merits, RPVs are more of a means of reconnaissance and surveillance, and in terms of their strike potential they cannot yet be compared with manned aircraft. The experience of using American armed drones the medium-class MQ-1 Predator and MQ-9 Reaper demonstrated that these devices, capable of hanging in the air for hours, are great for single point strikes, such as the elimination of militant leaders. But due to the limited carrying capacity, drones, as a rule, are not able to provide effective fire support during special operations or “press fire” on attacking militants.

The undeniable advantages of RPVs compared to manned aircraft are lower operating costs and the absence of the risk of death or capture of pilots in the event of equipment failure or an aircraft or helicopter being hit by anti-aircraft weapons. However, in general, the situation with drones is not so favorable due to their high accident rate. According to data published in the American media, during the campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq, as of 2010, more than 70 RPVs were lost. The cost of the crashed and downed drones amounted to almost $300 million. As a result, the money saved on lower operating costs went to replenish the UAV fleet. It turned out that the communication channels and data transmission of drones were vulnerable to interference and interception of the information they broadcast. The extremely lightweight design and the inability of strike and reconnaissance UAVs to perform sharp anti-aircraft maneuvers, combined with a narrow camera field of view and a significant response time to commands, makes them very vulnerable even in the event of minor damage. In addition, modern drones and control centers contain “critical technologies” and software that Americans are extremely reluctant to share. In this regard, the United States offers its allies in the "anti-terrorist war" more flexible in the use of turboprop "counter-guerrilla" attack aircraft with a wide range of guided and unguided weapons.

To date, the Tukan class aircraft have competitors in the face of light combat aircraft created on the basis of agricultural vehicles (for more information on "agricultural attack aircraft", read here: Combat Agricultural Aviation). This once again confirms the increased interest in light strike aircraft. But in terms of the range of tasks they perform and the flight data, the “agricultural attack aircraft” cannot compete with the “tukan class” aircraft.

Based on:
http://defense.txtav.com/en/at-6
http://www.pwc.ca/en/engines/pt6a
http://freepages.military.rootsweb.ancestry.com/~otranto/fab/tucano_t27.htm
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  1. +4
    20 June 2016 07: 35
    But is it interesting that our new Yak is able to press the "Tucano" in the market?
    1. +3
      20 June 2016 07: 49
      This niche is unlikely, if only slightly, too long.
      1. +7
        20 June 2016 09: 07
        and that’s not even the point .... our geopolitical opponents will not buy from Russia (and it’s not a fact that Russia will supply them) such machines .... and our allies are fighting with partisans who, miraculously, have Air defense, including Stinger missiles ... that is, it makes no sense to produce "Tucanoclass" aircraft in Russia ....
        1. +18
          20 June 2016 09: 34
          Quote: DanSabaka
          there is no point in producing "toucanoclass" aircraft in Russia ....

          It would be more correct to say that we now have no opportunity to produce such machines due to the lack of a suitable engine and avionics. As for the rest, it seems that you did not carefully read this article, it says about the vulnerability, countermeasures of MANPADS and the tactics of action of light turboprop machines. The same combat helicopters are much more vulnerable to anti-aircraft fire than the Tukanoclass aircraft, and nothing, no one refuses helicopters.
          1. +7
            20 June 2016 15: 04
            Quote: Bongo
            It’s more correct to say that now we don’t have the opportunity to produce such cars due to the lack of a suitable engine and avionics.

            But there were mobilization options for Su25






            Once you buy such planes, you have to go out with an offer. Moreover, VK-2500 is already being produced in Russia, and it is possible to make an engine for these aircraft on its basis.
            1. +5
              20 June 2016 15: 33
              Quote: svp67
              But there were mobilization options for Su25

              Sorry, photos are not displayed. request You most likely mean the LVSh project (an easily reproducible attack aircraft), but it was much heavier than the Tucanoclass aircraft.
              1. +3
                21 June 2016 23: 18
                Just in case I will add, maybe not everyone knows:
                Tukano - from the Brazilian (Portuguese) Tucano, here is this bird:


                and it still flies normally, despite its beak:
        2. avt
          +3
          20 June 2016 12: 44
          Quote: DanSabaka
          ... those. there is no point in releasing "toucanoclass" aircraft in Russia ....

          Well, how if we go down to the level of Bolivia in the aircraft industry and even Argentina, well, when, like, even old Kefirs "we can't buy?" ...
          1. +4
            20 June 2016 19: 37
            Quote: avt
            Well, how if we go down to the level of Bolivia in the aircraft industry and even Argentina, well, when, like, even old Kefirs "we can't buy?" ...

            And why is the Mi-24 so much better? In addition to the ability to carry a small landing and vertical take-off and landing? And so, something fundamentally in terms of strike tactics, it does not differ from the tactics of using Tucano? Or am I wrong?
            1. avt
              0
              20 June 2016 20: 54
              Quote: Blackgrifon
              And why is the Mi-24 so much better? In addition to the ability to carry a small landing and vertical take-off and landing?

              wassat
              Quote: Blackgrifon
              Or am I wrong?

              Right! I would even say the words of the song -
              No crush, no fuss,
              Let's say for an example,
              There is no struggle for a place
              And not a policeman.
              A snowball is flying behind
              Riding sledges with steeps.
              Steam engine is good
              The steamer is good
              A plane - nothing
              And deer are better!
              1. +3
                21 June 2016 23: 19
                Quote: avt
                Right! I would even say the words of the song -

                A strange argument, given that the helicopter designers hit speed (the target is 500 km / h and higher), which dramatically increases the cost and complexity in production, while the same Tukano is able to perform similar shock functions on the battlefield. The cost of a modern weapon carrier (not only its price, but also the cost of staff training and maintenance) is already such that its loss in itself is a defeat. And the use of combat training or as here - a piston - carrier allows you to save significantly without compromising efficiency.
          2. +4
            21 June 2016 02: 47
            Well, if you go down to the level of Bolivia in the aircraft industry and even Argentina

            Opinion amers.
            Here are some of the planes that could possibly replace the Warthog:

            * Super Tucano. Developed by Embraer in Brazil, the turboprop aircraft has been used by about dozen militaries around the globe. The plane, which can be fitted with a variety of bombs and advanced munitions, might have a leg up in the competition since the Air Force last year bought 20 of the light attack aircraft for Afghanistan's air force. The first four arrived in that country last month.
            1. 0
              21 June 2016 05: 12
              Who will give them A-10 with his down - the Afghans will rebel and all the Abrams will give her
    2. +11
      20 June 2016 07: 52
      Quote: svp67
      But interestingly tries the new Yak is able to press the "Tucano" on the market?

      What "Yak" are you talking about? We have two of them: reactive Yak-130 and piston Yak-152. Neither one is even close analogue turboprop Tucano cannot be counted. The Yak-152 is supposed to be equipped with an M-14 piston engine with a capacity of 360 hp, the Pratt-Whitney Canada PT6A-68C with a capacity of 1600 hp is installed on the Super Tucano. and it is twice as heavy in weight.
      1. -1
        20 June 2016 07: 57
        An-3 turboprop cannot be an analogue of the An-2 piston?
        1. +6
          20 June 2016 08: 01
          Quote: Simpsonian
          An-3 turboprop cannot be an analogue of the An-2 piston?

          An-3 Turboprop created on the base piston An-2. These are very close glider cars. And what is common in the design of the Super Tucano light attack aircraft and the Yak-152 trainer? what
          1. +1
            20 June 2016 08: 16
            He did not write an index; there was a variant of the training Yak with turboprop. I didn’t like the very slow change in gas (when leaving for the second round or if there is not enough lane), which is why many Cessna-410 fight and they (also because of the durable and repairable glider) prefer the An-2.
      2. +5
        20 June 2016 08: 11
        And on the Yak 130 there is no such perfect sighting and search system. And it is much more expensive. Because two classes higher. The Yak-152 has chances to catch up, but it is necessary to change the engine to a TVD from 1000 hp and equip
        1. +4
          20 June 2016 08: 24
          Quote: Zaurbek
          The Yak-152 has chances to catch up, but it is necessary to change the engine to a TVD from 1000 hp. and equip

          This is not physically possible for many reasons. In addition, a theater of such dimensions in our country does not.
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            1. +4
              20 June 2016 08: 38
              Quote: Zaurbek
              So on the Yak-3 there is the opportunity to put turbojet engines, and on the Yak 152 there is no way to install turbojet engines? in size it will be like a piston, but with the power of 1200-1500 hp

              Please sound the model of the theater that you propose to put on the Yak?
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              2. +1
                20 June 2016 08: 58
                We do not have it, there is Ukrainian 500 hp and ours, who are planning to install on the IL-114, but there the power of the 2200 HP I'm not going to put it, just answered the question about the possibility ...
                1. +5
                  20 June 2016 09: 12
                  Quote: Zaurbek
                  We do not have it, there is Ukrainian 500 hp and ours, who are planning to install on the IL-114, but there the power of the 2200 HP I'm not going to put it, just answered the question about the possibility ...

                  If not, why talk about it? request Surely because our designers have calculated all the options and chose the most optimal. And the new training Yak is much smaller than foreign turboprop aircraft.
                  Quote: Simpsonian
                  Well, if big engines do, then a small one is not a problem.

                  Just the opposite No. Creating a compact turboprop with acceptable performance is a very difficult task. In our country, in this part of the project is not progress.
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                  2. 0
                    20 June 2016 09: 24
                    So we don’t have a piston on the Yak 152 ... why then ask?
                  3. +1
                    20 June 2016 11: 16
                    TVVRD differs from the WFD in the extra degree of the reducer; the smaller the reducer, the easier it is to make it. It did not advance because it was not given.
          2. 0
            20 June 2016 08: 35
            So on the Yak-3 there is an opportunity to put a turbojet engine, and on the Yak 152 there is no way to install a turbojet engine? in size it will be like a piston, but with a power of 1200-1500 hp
          3. -3
            20 June 2016 08: 36
            Well, if big engines do, then a small one is not a problem.
      3. +1
        20 June 2016 08: 11
        And on the Yak 130 there is no such perfect sighting and search system. And it is much more expensive. Because two classes higher. The Yak-152 has chances to catch up, but it is necessary to change the engine to a TVD from 1000 hp and equip
      4. 0
        20 June 2016 08: 40
        On the Yak - 152 Austrian diesel going to put 500 hp
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      6. 0
        21 June 2016 23: 22
        Quote: Bongo
        What "Yak" are you talking about? We have two of them: the jet Yak-130

        A jet? In theory, it can be sold as a light attack aircraft and as a light fighter - the same Hawk is on the market in different trim levels.
    3. +7
      20 June 2016 13: 19
      Excuse me for the amateurish question - Can the Tucano-class aircraft replace attack helicopters ?? I'm not an expert, that's why it's very interesting. In my amateurish opinion, "Tucano" has low operating costs, high speed, impact capabilities are not less, and besides, they are cheaper.
      1. 0
        27 October 2017 23: 04
        All airplanes have one common problem - they cannot hang in place and “jump” from that place to strike, but this can be done by a helicopter. Each car has its own mission. They cannot replace, but complement each other, raising overall efficiency completely.
    4. 0
      20 June 2016 13: 42
      If it shows itself well in Syria, then why not.
  2. +3
    20 June 2016 07: 42
    I wonder if "Toucans" got into WWII, would they be able to prove themselves? As an attack aircraft or a fighter?
    1. +11
      20 June 2016 07: 56
      Quote: igordok
      I wonder if "Toucans" got into WWII, would they be able to prove themselves? As an attack aircraft or a fighter?

      The characteristics of this aircraft, as well as the appearance, are very close to the fighters of the Second World War. However, modern "anti-guerrilla" attack aircraft are very well stuffed with modern electronics and are sharpened to deliver strikes with precision guided munitions. In addition, all the aircraft listed in the publication use a very successful theater of the PT6A-68 family, which of course could not be created during World War II.
    2. 0
      20 June 2016 08: 00
      Fighter - do they lie? For these engines, the thrust (gas) changes too slowly.
      1. +1
        20 June 2016 08: 08
        an attack aircraft - not a fact, the "star" works with 1-2 pistons knocked out
      2. +6
        20 June 2016 08: 11
        Quote: Simpsonian
        Fighter - do they lie? For these engines, the thrust (gas) changes too slowly.

        Of course, the throttle response of piston engines is higher than that of a theater Yes But again, depending on which engines to compare, the change in traction of modern Pratt & Whitney Canada PT6 variants comes many times faster than say in AI-20 or NK-12 TVDs.
        Quote: Simpsonian
        an attack aircraft - not a fact, the "star" works with 1-2 pistons knocked out

        In the "big war", acting in the face of countermeasures by aircraft and modern anti-aircraft systems, both piston and turboprop attack aircraft have no chances. As for the statistics of the combat use of the Super Tucano turboprop against the rebels, it is in the publication.
        1. 0
          20 June 2016 08: 26
          Still less than the piston.

          It seems that there is even against the commandos when a country against a country ...
          1. +5
            20 June 2016 08: 33
            Quote: Simpsonian
            Still less than the piston.

            But not critical No. The five-blade variable pitch propeller also plays a role and, according to reviews, it goes from cruising to maximum thrust very quickly. "Super Tucano" has been successfully used against piston aircraft many times.
            Quote: Simpsonian
            It seems that there is even against the commandos when a country against a country ...

            It was. Yes But after the Peruvian Air Force established dominance in the air, and for MANPADS light attack aircraft with theater of operations operating at low altitudes - these are very difficult goals.
            1. -3
              20 June 2016 08: 43
              Critical, especially when landing. It’s even easier for them to shoot down helicopters, although not by much.
              1. +6
                20 June 2016 08: 51
                Quote: Simpsonian
                Critical, especially when landing.

                You are projecting data from turboprop cargo and passenger aircraft. Statistics on how many "Super Tucano" flew many thousands of hours in a combat situation crashed due to poor engine throttle response, I do not have request Maybe you have, do not share? I would greatly appreciate it.
                Quote: Simpsonian
                It’s even easier for them to shoot down helicopters, although not by much.
                Such tests were carried out, the efficiency of turboprop aircraft, especially equipped with air combat missile defense against helicopters, was very high.
                1. -1
                  20 June 2016 09: 07
                  You can go to the forums of pilots and see what they write about the transition from An-2 to An-3

                  Another helicopter handles this much better.
                  1. +5
                    20 June 2016 09: 21
                    Quote: Simpsonian
                    You can go to the forums of pilots and see what they write about the transition from An-2 to An-3

                    I repeat again:
                    Quote: Bongo
                    You are projecting data from turboprop cargo and passenger aircraft. Statistics on how many "Super Tucano" flew many thousands of hours in a combat situation crashed due to poor engine throttle response I do not have. Maybe you have, can you share? I would greatly appreciate

                    If you do not have such statistics, is it worth it unfounded to shake the air to torment the keyboard? No.
                    Quote: Simpsonian
                    Another helicopter handles this much better.

                    Of course, if you do not take into account that a combat turboprop aircraft can fly twice as fast and carries a more advanced sighting and navigation system. And in general, you can see the report on the test results of the trophy Pukara in the UK.
                    1. 0
                      20 June 2016 09: 32
                      Did many of these Tukano land on short unpaved strips in the jungle, or did air battles take place? Cadets especially do not participate in battles.
                      You can go to the pilots without tormenting her.

                      But the helicopter maneuvers better. Moreover, the helicopters of the "fighter helicopters" had an emphasis on the defeat of the cannon which cannot be taken away by interference. Brazil is a big country, they are interested in toucano because of its range (with a turboprop engine it is better than with a piston engine). Britain made the Harrier turbofan attack aircraft for CAS in Europe, which handled much better helicopters. laughing For her, after the Argentinean Pucars, this is a sore subject.
                      1. +4
                        20 June 2016 09: 42
                        Quote: Simpsonian
                        Did many of these Tukano land on short unpaved strips in the jungle, or did air battles take place? Cadets especially do not participate in battles.

                        Do not confuse the TCB with a light attack aircraft. No. "Supertukano" is a full-fledged combat aircraft, with the ability to effectively use high-precision weapons, including missiles with air-to-air TGS.
                        Quote: Simpsonian
                        Birtania made Harrier a turbofan attack aircraft for CAS in Europe, which controlled helicopters much better.
                        Please remind me how many Harriers are left in the UK?
                      2. 0
                        20 June 2016 09: 51
                        About the same thing, guidance in the container. Lightweight TGS (MANPADS) can be used by air and infantryman.

                        Remained in the USA and other countries.
                      3. +5
                        20 June 2016 10: 13
                        Quote: Simpsonian
                        About the same thing, guidance in the container.

                        No No. Compare the composition of avionics "Supertukano" or AT-6B with the capabilities of most combat helicopters. Again, the superiority in speed and vertical maneuver has not been canceled.
                        Quote: Simpsonian
                        Lightweight TGS (MANPADS) can be used by air and infantryman.
                        Then you distort negative We kind of talk about aircraft, and what about infantry?
                        Quote: Simpsonian
                        Remained in the USA and other countries.

                        How much and how long are they left to fly, what is the composition of the avionics and what is the cost of a flight hour of the "Harrier" in comparison with the "Tucanoclass" aircraft?
                      4. -1
                        20 June 2016 13: 55
                        Avionics Tucano is not located behind the nasal fiberglass fairing. A fire support helicopter is definitely better, just a toucan is cheaper. If they go fast, then he will remain almost completely out of work.

                        If about aircraft, what does the UR and their TGSN have to do with it?

                        I think it's all written in a wiki article about Harrier. The cost is understandably less than that of the Tornado, which for some reason left with the Typhoon to fly.
                      5. +4
                        22 June 2016 13: 10
                        Quote: Simpsonian
                        Avionics Tukano is not behind the nasal fiberglass fairing.

                        Composition of avionics Embraer EMB 314 Super Tucan:
                        MIL-STD-1553 standards.
                        NVG ANVIS-9 (Night Vision)
                        CCIP / CCRP / CCIL / DTOS / LCOS / SSLC (Computerized Attack Modes)
                        Rohde & Schwarz M3AR VHF / UHF Airborne Transceiver (two-way encrypted Data Link provision)
                        HUD / HOTAS
                        HMD with UFCP (Up Front Control Panel)
                        Laser INS with GPS Navigational System.
                        CMFD (Colored Multi-Function Display) liquid crystal active matrix
                        Integrated Radio Communication and Navigation
                        Video Camera / Recorder
                        Automatic Pilot with embedded mission planning capability
                        Stormscope WX-1000E (Airborne weather mapping system)
                        Laser Range Finder
                        WiPak Support - (Wi-Fi integration for Paveway bombs).
                        Training and Operation Support System (TOSS)
      3. 0
        20 June 2016 08: 14
        They would deliver a theater of greater power and regulate the gearbox. A TVD from 2000 hp would be needed.
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        2. 0
          20 June 2016 08: 21
          How much would it weigh and how far would it fly? laughing
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          2. +1
            20 June 2016 08: 38
            A theater is many times lighter than any piston engine. profitability, the more powerful the closer it is to the performance of a piston engine.
            1. -2
              20 June 2016 08: 48
              But with such bells and whistles - no longer, and they are wrong.
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              2. +4
                20 June 2016 09: 04
                If you believe it, then helicopters would fly on piston engines. But in reality, only a small class such as Robinson flies on them. And so with the dynamics, everything is ok with the economy and reliability .... everything is better.
                1. 0
                  20 June 2016 09: 17
                  In reality, an airplane needs a good throttle response in combat and when landing on a short run, which is better for piston engines.
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                  2. +6
                    20 June 2016 09: 22
                    So if you have a piston power of 1500 hp, and a theater of operation of 3000 hp. and the weight of the airframe is the same, the turbine engine weighs less, well, let it have a lower response rate in%. But she is in hp per kg more weight.
                    1. +1
                      20 June 2016 09: 24
                      Pickup is not a thrust ratio
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                      2. +3
                        20 June 2016 09: 36
                        I know the difference between one and the other ....
                      3. -2
                        20 June 2016 09: 53
                        Well then, why are you confusing them?
                      4. +3
                        20 June 2016 10: 01
                        .... well, and let it have a% lower throttle response. But she is in hp kg more weight
                      5. 0
                        20 June 2016 10: 01
                        .... well, and let it have a% lower throttle response. But she is in hp kg more weight
                      6. -1
                        20 June 2016 11: 22
                        Not as a percentage but essential for a field aircraft.
  3. 0
    20 June 2016 07: 47
    And can you compare these light attack aircraft with the shock modification of the Yak-130?
    1. +4
      20 June 2016 07: 50
      Well, you gave, the take-off masses and skars are not the same.
      And the class is already different.
  4. 0
    20 June 2016 08: 15
    There is not enough rotary turret with YakB-12,7, synchronized with the "ball"
    1. ICT
      +6
      20 June 2016 08: 19
      Quote: Zaurbek
      There is not enough rotary turret with YakB-12,7, synchronized with the "ball"

      Well, this is a completely unnecessary load, and so the plane is correct
      1. 0
        20 June 2016 08: 35
        Not really, the tail gunner on helicopters is not superfluous.
        1. +5
          20 June 2016 08: 39
          Quote: Simpsonian
          Not really, the tail gunner on helicopters is not superfluous.

          Different speeds and tactics.
          1. 0
            20 June 2016 09: 04
            Tail shooters were not superfluous on transporters and bombers in Afghanistan and Vietnam.
            1. -1
              20 June 2016 09: 23
              ... with their speed.
            2. +5
              20 June 2016 09: 25
              Quote: Simpsonian
              Tail shooters were not superfluous on transporters and bombers in Afghanistan and Vietnam.

              Let's compare the dimensions and carrying capacity of the An-12 and EMB-314 Super Tucano wassat
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              2. -1
                20 June 2016 09: 46
                You can even compare the height of the application.
                1. +6
                  20 June 2016 10: 41
                  Quote: Simpsonian
                  You can even compare the height of the application.

                  If you believe the data given in the publication, the aircraft of the Tucano class are increasingly switching to the use of guided bombs from heights inaccessible for shelling from the ground. There is a possibility that in the future aircraft guns will be completely abandoned for shelling ground targets.
                  1. 0
                    20 June 2016 13: 22
                    They have already refused to fight. He has a pair of half-inch machine guns in the wing.
  5. 0
    20 June 2016 08: 33
    The plane is cool, you need to compare it with attack helicopters and TCB. Confuse chassis not intended for soil.
  6. +8
    20 June 2016 08: 43
    Sergei! Thanks for the interesting review. Separately, materials on both "Tucano" and "Pilatus" came across, but here everything is "in one bottle"
    1. +10
      20 June 2016 08: 59
      Quote: Old26
      Sergei! Thanks for the interesting review.

      drinks
      Quote: Old26
      Separately, materials on both "Tucano" and "Pilatus" came across, but here everything is "in one bottle"

      Tomorrow or the day after tomorrow another publication should be published that echoes the current one: Prospects for the development of the air forces of the Third World countries.

      It will be said about this car, and about a number of others.
  7. +9
    20 June 2016 09: 30
    The article is on top, with great analysis. My grandson already hatched his eyes after reading that Brazil made such a plane, and for me it was extremely interesting.
  8. +1
    20 June 2016 09: 36
    I look at the performance characteristics and photos, good planes needed. Just not for us. Fortunately, drug lords in our country do not squeeze entire regions of the country. Russia does not need such a word at all. Patrols can also carry UAVs, And reconnaissance aircraft, and strikes already inflict at least Mi-24 at least Su-25.
  9. +5
    20 June 2016 10: 32
    Interesting and informative. The pilots of the Bulgarian Air Force begin their training at Pilatus.
  10. +1
    20 June 2016 10: 34
    All such aircraft are only for fighting bandit formations or partisans who have no money to buy a little bit serious air defense. Their main advantage is their low operating cost. But such vehicles do not represent any serious combat value. Constructed from composite materials, such aircraft provide poor protection for the crew and have low combat survivability. Chasing some drug lords is welcome, and that is exactly until they save up money to buy a Stingray or something like that.
    1. +4
      20 June 2016 10: 49
      Quote: Verdun
      All such aircraft are only for fighting bandit formations or partisans who have no money to buy a little bit serious air defense. Their main advantage is their low operating cost. But such vehicles do not represent any serious combat value. Constructed from composite materials, such aircraft provide poor protection for the crew and have low combat survivability. Chasing some drug lords is welcome, and that is exactly until they save up money to buy a Stingray or something like that.

      Quote from the article:
      As of 2014 year, more than 150 Super Tucano attack aircraft have flown more than 314 130 hours, including 000 18 hours in combat missions. According to Embraer, due to its high maneuverability, low thermal visibility and good survivability, the aircraft proved to be excellent during combat missions, and not a single A-000 was lost from anti-aircraft fire.

      Next:
      It is reported that in the course of "testing" in a number of missions, in providing direct support to the Special Forces, AT-6B proved better than the A-10 attack aircraft.

      Maybe we read different publications? Comparing these aircraft in combat helicopters, it can be argued that, due to their higher speed and lower thermal signature, their vulnerability is less than that of helicopters. Yes, but what is Stingray and where are they sold? what
      1. +2
        20 June 2016 11: 05
        and not a single A-29 is lost from anti-aircraft fire.
        This is if the fire was fired from conventional small arms. For example, from a ZU-23-2 calculation of the average level of training hits a cruise missile. Do you think it is more difficult to destroy the Tucano? And then, where are the sorties? Something I do not remember that such machines flew during the war in Iraq, in Syria, in Yugoslavia.
        In a number of missions, while providing direct support to the Special Forces, the AT-6B performed better than the A-10 attack aircraft.
        So I wrote about this. When it’s too expensive to use serious combat aircraft, such aircraft look preferable. They are preferable even to combat helicopters, since they consume less fuel. Their capabilities are quite enough to support some detachment to combat drug trafficking. As for thermal visibility, it plays a role only in the case of using missiles with infrared guidance. Today, the arsenal is a mass of laser-guided missiles, which do not care about thermal signature.
        1. +6
          20 June 2016 11: 18
          Quote: Verdun
          This is if the fire was fired from conventional small arms. Say, from the ZU-23-2, the calculation of the average level of training falls into the cruise missile.

          True, but with what probability? Remember ZU-90 at all at the beginning of the 23's at the control room for calculating the forces and means necessary to repulse the strike of the Kyrgyz Republic.
          Quote: Verdun
          Something I don’t remember such cars flying during the war in Iraq, in Syria, in Yugoslavia.

          In Yugoslavia, they really weren’t, and you are simply not well informed about other countries.
          Quote: Verdun
          I wrote about this. When it’s too expensive to use serious combat aircraft, such aircraft look preferable. They are preferable even to combat helicopters, since they consume less fuel.

          I agree with this, but avionics and precision weapons are now being installed very seriously on these aircraft. In the event of a serious threat posed by anti-aircraft weapons, it is possible not to enter their affected area.
          1. 0
            20 June 2016 11: 40
            Quote: Bongo
            True, but with what probability? Remember ZU-90 at all at the beginning of the 23's at the control room for calculating the forces and means necessary to repulse the strike of the Kyrgyz Republic.

            And in the mid-eighties from ZUshka, we did not miss a single low-altitude target during the exercises. And these were not KSHU, but quite field ones. "Granite", "Shield", have you heard?))
            1. +5
              20 June 2016 11: 54
              Quote: Verdun
              And we in the mid-eighties from ZUShka did not miss a single low-altitude target in the exercises.

              Directly analogs of "Axes" flying around the relief? wassat What kind of targets were these, obviously not La 17M? Correct me if I forgot, but it seems like a single ZU-23 provides the probability of hitting a non-maneuvering air target flying at a speed of 200 m / s for flying over an area somewhere within 0,02.
              1. +1
                20 June 2016 12: 03
                Quote: Bongo
                Correct me if I forgot, but it seems like a single ZU-23 provides the probability of hitting a non-maneuvering air target flying at a speed of 200 m / s per zone passage somewhere in the range of 0,02.

                I have never seen a single ZU-23. Only sparks, and even quadruples - on "Shilki". And the probability of hitting the target is provided not only by the weapon, but also by the people shooting from it. What is the catch - I don't know, but practice shows that targets are hit even more accurately from the ZU-23-2 than from the Shilka. And the goals were different. And believe me, in order to miss a low-flying aircraft like the Tucano from ZUshka, you need to try hard.
                1. +5
                  20 June 2016 12: 15
                  Quote: Verdun
                  I have never seen a single memory-23.

                  In general, among Pvoshnikov write or speak memory ZU-23-2 was considered bad form.
                  Quote: Verdun
                  And the probability of hitting a target is provided not only by weapons, but also by people shooting from it
                  Of course, the 0.02 probability of defeat is derived from the experience of real firing range and you do not jump above your head. No.
                  Quote: Verdun
                  What is the catch - I don't know, but practice shows that the targets are hit even more accurately from the ZU-23-2 than from the Shilka.
                  Really, did not know. wassat
                  Quote: Verdun
                  And believe me, in order to miss a low-flying aircraft like the Tucano from ZUshka, you need to try hard.

                  Have you read the publication carefully? there about managed ammunition in my opinion is said in sufficient detail.
                  1. 0
                    20 June 2016 12: 26
                    Quote: Bongo
                    Have you read the publication carefully? there about managed ammunition in my opinion is said in sufficient detail.

                    In order to hit the target with any ammunition, this target must first be detected. Any air defense systems are not deployed in an open field and are not the main target, especially for aircraft such as the Tucano. They only cover possible targets from defeat. Let me give you an example. If I am part of a crew and a disguised ZU-23-2 covering a drug warehouse somewhere in the jungle of Colombia, then why should I not shmalnite at the "Tucano" attacking such a warehouse?
                    In general, among air defense specialists, writing or speaking ZU-23-2 was considered bad form.
                    Among those who participate in CSU - perhaps.)) Moreover, I can hardly imagine a full-scale exercise in Russia, during which it would come to someone's head to use "Tucano".
                    1. +4
                      20 June 2016 12: 35
                      Quote: Verdun
                      In order to hit the target with any ammunition, this target must first be detected. Any air defense systems are not deployed in an open field and are not the main target, especially for aircraft such as the Tucano. They only cover possible targets from defeat. Let me give you an example. If I am part of a crew and a disguised ZU-23-2 covering a drug warehouse somewhere in the jungle of Colombia, then why should I not shmalnite at the "Tucano" attacking such a warehouse?

                      Here you are definitely fantasizing. Firstly, a very perfect PRNK on the Super Tucano, and secondly, during the entire period of hostilities in Columbia, the ZU-23 was not recorded there.
                      Quote: Verdun
                      Among those who participate in KShU - perhaps.
                      In parts too. "Zushka" - it is "Zushka" in Africa.
                      Quote: Verdun
                      Moreover, I can hardly imagine a full-scale exercise in Russia, during which it would go to someone to use the Tucano.

                      I also can not imagine, because we do not have them. What a pity, in many ways useful cars.
                      1. 0
                        20 June 2016 13: 25
                        Quote: Bongo
                        I also can not imagine, because we do not have them. What a pity, in many ways useful cars.

                        I do not see a single combat mission that an attack UAV could not cope with at the Tucano level. At the same time, in the course of large-scale hostilities, such aircraft will simply be pulverized.
                      2. +3
                        20 June 2016 14: 29
                        Quote: Verdun
                        I do not see a single combat mission that an attack UAV could not cope with at the Tucano level.

                        Well, let's take the courage to "open your eyes". lol Although this is said in the publication, but apparently you read inattentively:
                        The indisputable advantages of UAVs compared to manned aircraft are lower operating costs and the absence of the risk of death or capture of pilots in the event of equipment failure or anti-aircraft damage to an airplane or helicopter. However, in general, the situation with drones due to their high accident rate is not so gracious. According to data published in the American media, during the campaigns in Afghanistan and Iraq as of the 2010 year more than 70 UAVs were lost. The cost of crashed and downed drones amounted to almost 300 million. $. As a result, the money saved on lower operating costs went to replenish the UAV fleet. It turned out that the communication channels and data transmission of UAVs were vulnerable to interference and interception of the information broadcast by them. The extremely lightweight design and the inability of the reconnaissance UAV to perform sharp anti-aircraft maneuvers in combination with a narrow field of view of the camera and a significant reaction time to commands makes them very vulnerable even in case of minor damage. In addition, modern drones and control centers contain “critical technologies” and software that the Americans are extremely reluctant to share. The experience of using American armed mid-range drones MQ-1 Predator and MQ-9 Reaper showed that these devices, which can hang for hours in air, great for single point strikes, such as, for example, the elimination of militant leaders. But due to the limited carrying capacity, drones, as a rule, are not able to provide effective fire support during special operations or to “press fire” on attacking militants.
                        In other words, an UAV is a counter-terrorism weapon for precision strikes. In terms of assortment and mass of weapons with manned aircraft, they cannot yet compete.
  11. +4
    20 June 2016 10: 46
    Modern strike UAVs are expensive and require serious protection of communication channels. Even if AI systems are created that can replace the pilot / operator, the cost will not decrease for a long time and not all of these technologies will be available.
    SU-25 costs approximately 10-20mln. $ MI-24 - 22mln.

    So the time of turboprop attack aircraft has not passed yet.

    I would like for Russia to create something similar. At least as an inexpensive plane to extinguish fires.
    Again, just beautiful ...
  12. -1
    20 June 2016 10: 53
    Screw TCBs used as scouts and attack aircraft are an option for third world countries. In the air forces of developed countries, these functions are performed by UAVs and attack helicopters.

    UAVs have undeniable advantages over screw TCBs:
    - an order of magnitude lower acquisition price and operating cost;
    - lack of training costs for pilots, observers and weapon operators;
    - the absence of the risk of loss and capture of pilots in the event of an aircraft hit;
    - the accident rate equal to that of screw UPS (the 2010 statistics of the year given in the article does not correspond to the current state of things);
    - full security of the communication channel when using a UAV repeater;
    - 100-percent all-round visibility in the lower hemisphere in the optical and infrared range from the side of the UAV, in contrast to the partial optical visibility from the side of the helical fusion vehicle, the lower hemisphere of which is shielded by the body and wings of the aircraft;
    - twice the bomb load of an attack UAV compared to an assault vehicle with the same take-off weight due to the absence of a pilot's cabin and crew;
    - the optimal combat formation of the UAV tactical group, including a light reconnaissance drone (take-off weight 100-200 kg), a heavy drone-striker (3000-4000 kg) and an average relay drone (500-1000 kg).

    In addition, Russia has developed a unique jet trainer with a take-off weight of 3100 kg - SR-10, which at once sent to the scrap the western "Toucans", "Pilatus" and other light-engine riffraff. The CP-10 has no competitors in its class in terms of speed and climb rate (due to the double-circuit turbojet engine), as well as maneuverability (due to the reverse sweep of the wings and the airframe that can withstand an overload of 8 g).

    Single modification CP-10 is optimal for use as a light attack aircraft and fighter aircraft in the air forces of Latin America, Africa and Southeast Asia.

    Brazilians and Swiss can close their shops am
    1. +2
      21 June 2016 01: 35
      Single modification CP-10 is optimal for use as a light attack aircraft and fighter aircraft in the air forces of Latin America, Africa and Southeast Asia.

      Brazilians and Swiss can close their shops


      Sights, pendants, engines ... They can close the shop in 15 years. If you put them at least 300 pieces.
  13. +4
    20 June 2016 11: 33
    Scorpio was developed by us in the initiative. It seems to be also for counterguerrilla struggle, only he is reactive and has not heard anything about him for a long time. A tukano flies and will be in the air for a long time.
    1. +4
      20 June 2016 14: 48
      Quote: Choi
      Scorpio was developed by us in the initiative. It seems to be also for counterguerrilla struggle, only he is reactive and he has not heard anything about him for a long time.

      hi
      UBS / light attack aircraft Scorpion (SCV12-1).
      Textron, AirLand Enterprises and Cessna participated in the development.
      Unit cost: $ 20 million
      Estimated cost per flight hour: $ 3-4 th.
      Built: 1 machine.

      UBS / light attack aircraft Scorpion (SCV12-1)UBS / light attack aircraft Scorpion (SCV12-1)

      Scorpion attack aircraft at Farnborough air show (July 2014)


      In 2013, the US Air Force announced a competition for the supply of new training aircraft.
      The competition was named TX (Air Force's TX trainer program competition)
      The goal is to search for the replacement of the Northrop T-38 "Talon" (the start of operation of the 1961 of the year, the end of operation of the 2026 of the year).

      Textron AirLand intended to participate in the TX competition.
      In order to meet the requirements of the competition,
      Scorpio planned to reduce the length of the wings to 47 feet (14,3 m) and increase engine thrust.
      Declared that it will be possible to reduce the cost of the flight hour to $ 2200 per hour.

      The 2014 TX contest was postponed for a year
      and in September, 2015 Textron AirLand announced that the development of a training plane for the US Air Force was beyond their power for economic reasons.
      Most likely the Scorpion attack aircraft was left in a single copy.
      His fate is unknown.
      1. 0
        20 June 2016 15: 17
        The take-off weight of the Scorpion SCV12-1 is equal to 9,6 tons, i.e. this machine is a class of Yak-130 (10,3 tons) and MiG-21 (10,1 tons), and not a screw Tucano (4-5 tons).
      2. +1
        21 June 2016 02: 02
        Most likely the Scorpion attack aircraft was left in a single copy.
        His fate is unknown.

        The serial number is the same or not. Do not make out (((
  14. +4
    20 June 2016 12: 48
    In May 2016, the first flight of the HTT-40 turboprop UTS took place in India. After much doubt and hesitation, the Indian Air Force officially joined the HTT-40 creation program, although they are purchasing the Pilatus PC-7 Mk II.
    The aircraft is equipped with a Honeywell TPE331-12B turboprop engine with 1150 horsepower. (The engines of the same Honeywell TPE331-5 series are also used on Dornier Do 228 transport and passenger aircraft manufactured by the HAL state association). HAL is very optimistic that NTT-40 is ready for serial production in 2018. The company also announces plans to create an armed version of the NTT-40.
  15. +2
    20 June 2016 14: 18
    Interesting, have not read before. Caught on izvestia.ru 11 March 2016

    The United States in the fight against terrorists of the "Islamic State" (a group banned in the Russian Federation) began to use OV-10 Bronco aircraft, which are almost 50 years old. It is reported by RIA Novosti with reference to the American CNN channel.

    The reason for this was the assumption of the American military that aircraft from the Vietnam War can be more economical and more efficient than modern counterparts, such as the F-35 and F-15.

    “Older planes may be more economically advantageous for direct air support for the ground forces. Pilots can better see and attack insurgents armed with low-tech weapons, ”the CNN report says.

    According to a spokesman for the Central Command of the US Armed Forces, Captain Bryant Davis, the OV-10 Bronco have already completed 120 sorties.

    It is noted that the flight hour of modern combat aircraft costs about $ 45 thousand, while for light Bronco turboprops this figure is less than $ 5 thousand.
  16. -1
    20 June 2016 14: 18
    How dangerous are such monkeys for the 23mm twin ZSU-23-2 that are now available for any monkey?
  17. -1
    20 June 2016 14: 20
    The export value of Super Tucano is $ 14 million.
    The export value of CP-10 is estimated at 5 million. $
  18. 0
    20 June 2016 14: 55
    Quote: Bongo
    Such air defense systems are well suited for the defeat of helicopters, but with targets flying at a speed of more than 500 km / h, the likelihood of destruction drops sharply.

    Tucano has a maximum speed of 590 km / h. At the same time, when attacking a target, you have to maneuver, which means that the speed decreases. And if there is no particular problem to launch a missile at 500 km / h, then to fire at these targets at ground speeds from rigidly mounted small arms - I would like to see that!))
    1. +3
      20 June 2016 15: 06
      Quote: Verdun
      And if there is no particular problem launching a rocket at 500 km / h, then firing at ground targets from rigidly mounted small arms at these speeds would be nice to see!

      But you are really distorting! sad Is there anything in the publication about guided weapons? And remind me where the laser-guided missiles were delivered? However, I already know this, you can read about the British here.
      British MANPADS
      1. -1
        20 June 2016 18: 10
        Quote: Bongo
        But you are really distorting!

        I wonder what I'm twisting? Is there no small arms and cannon on the Tucano?
        And remind me where the laser-guided missiles were delivered?
        Yes, you were given this laser guidance. The An-12, like the Tucano, has a theater of operations. If you do not shoot the traps, IR-guided missiles fall without problems.
        1. +2
          20 June 2016 18: 47
          At one of the forums during the discussion of turboprop aircraft, very interesting comments were made:


          An ordinary DShK with a BS cartridge will tear it to shreds in one burst. The question is to get there - and here “it’s not so simple” © According to statistics, the percentage of HELICOPTERS in Syria from large-caliber machine guns (Vladimirov, Utes, DShK) at altitudes greater than THREE HUNDREDS is vanishingly small, and the Tukan - not a hippo Mi-17. Those. the vast majority of downed aircraft in all low-intensity conflicts - from MANPADS.

          It is clear that the thermal signature of Yak'a and "Tukano" are incomparable, but the hint is that these light airplanes are, in fact, NOT ATTENDANTS. They are not intended for attacking the NAR S-8 from a close range, therefore armor, an air gun and a radar are unnecessary to them: targeting is provided by AWACS, the weapon is guided by optics, and autocannons only take up space and, if necessary, can be installed on an external gimbal.

          The joke is that the classic attack aircraft is all over. A-10 are decommissioned and their direct analog is not expected, the Rooks have shown themselves in all their glory in Ukraine and their further purchase is now under a big question. The range of modern artillery is such that it makes a “close” attack almost useless, and for the “distant” Su-25, the combat radius and load are small. Yes, and even eight dozen C-8 today - nothing.

          Both the “toucan” and the Yak-130 are, in fact, light attack aircraft, in other words, bombers. Almost clean. Modern means of destruction like KAB or aerial bombs with new optical sights, provide very accurate bombing from altitudes of five kilometers, and some RBC-250 in terms of destructive force and area of ​​destruction will plug the entire C-8 package into the belt. Those. such aircraft generally do not make sense to drop to the heights of potential damage, and here the thermal signature practically does not play. Well, if you stupidly shove it with a horn, then the Tukano is not a panacea - sooner or later it will run into it and it will be taken apart. able to break even a steel ball.

          A long-range shooting from anti-aircraft artillery requires either VERY straight arms and a pumped skill, or battery fire (which, in general, is also useless without skill and directness of arms). Without it, what a raven to frighten.

          The latest modifications of the Buk, ESSM, or some Aster or SM-2 will gobble it up and won't notice it, but the hint is that an extremely limited number of states have such systems and even more so they don’t deliver them to the watchmen. And with a bunch of such giants, it’s from the Tukan, that from the Rook, it’s of no use to them - it’s decided by the “European strategies” and stratobommers.

          Of the more or less mundane - only pure optics, it generally craps everything, the main thing is direct visibility. But, again - military systems and anyhow to whom they do not fall.

          From what potential goals have, only the DShK and others like it pose a threat. MANPADS are practically useless.
          1. 0
            20 June 2016 18: 57
            MANPADS take further DShK lol
            1. 0
              20 June 2016 19: 36
              Quote: Simpsonian
              MANPADS take further DShK

              God bless him, with DShK. Swiss 20-mm "Oerlikons", of which you cannot count all over the world, effectively hit air targets at a distance of 2 km. Get hold of this - no problem! I can't understand why, if WWII fighters were shot down with such weapons, it is impossible to shoot down the Tucano with it? The only problem is who will find whom first.
              1. +1
                20 June 2016 19: 54
                According to the Directorate of the Air Rifle Service of the Air Force headquarters, during an IL-2 attack on ground targets in the defense lines of the German assault regiments, up to 8000-9000 bullets of large caliber (13 mm) and up to 200-250 small-caliber (20- 37 mm) shells ...

                ..In the most dangerous sections of the front, the Germans concentrated up to 3-4 MZA batteries (up to 18-24 20-mm or 37-mm guns) on 1 km of the front, the fire of which was most destructive for the Il-2 ..

                So they shot down.

                The average consumption of small-caliber shells on an 1 downed aircraft is 905 units, and the average caliber is 598.

                For memory-23 in the manual guidance mode, the probability of hitting the target was estimated approximately as 0,01.
                1. -1
                  20 June 2016 20: 14
                  Quote: tasha

                  The average consumption of small-caliber shells on an 1 downed aircraft is 905 units, and the average caliber is 598.

                  The rate of fire of the ZU-23-2 from one barrel is 1200 rounds per minute, from two - 2400. Even if you shoot in short bursts, for a couple of installations it takes twenty seconds. At the same time, unlike the Tucano, the Il-2 was quite well armored.
                  For memory-23 in the manual guidance mode, the probability of hitting the target was estimated approximately as 0,01.
                  I will not argue with statistics, but I personally saw how the fighters, who first shot from the installation, felled a radio-controlled target at most from the second stage.
          2. 0
            20 June 2016 19: 06
            Quote: tasha
            target designation gives AWACS, the weapon is guided by optics,

            What target designation can give AWACS to targets located in the jungle?
            The range of modern artillery is such that it makes a “close” attack almost useless,
            I wonder how you imagine the artillery fire on a heavily dissected mountainous terrain. When do you need to support fighters who have already entered into fire contact with the enemy?
            The joke is that the classic attack aircraft is all over. A-10 decommissioned
            This is why they were written off because, unlike the Rook, they cannot be in close fire contact with an enemy armed with rapid-fire anti-aircraft artillery for a long time. And, even in spite of this, voices are heard among the American specialists that they say the "Warthog" should be returned to duty. After all, there is no replacement for this car, but there is a need. To some extent, the supporters of the Tucanoclass aircraft repeat the mistake of the strategists who developed a "universal battlefield aircraft" like the Su-2 before WWII. The fact that the classic Il-2 attack aircraft won this competition with one goal is an obvious fact.
            1. +2
              20 June 2016 19: 14
              You are in a hurry to object and therefore it does not work out very well.
            2. +3
              21 June 2016 02: 32
              The joke is that the classic attack aircraft is all over. A-10 decommissioned

              Until it ended, they left until 2022. Replacement options are offered.

              Here are some of the planes that could possibly replace the Warthog:

              * Super Tucano. Developed by Embraer in Brazil, the turboprop aircraft has been used by about dozen militaries around the globe. The plane, which can be fitted with a variety of bombs and advanced munitions, might have a leg up in the competition since the Air Force last year bought 20 of the light attack aircraft for Afghanistan's air force. The first four arrived in that country last month.

              Related: Here's the New, Secret Warplane Everyone Will Soon Be Talking About

              Another possible plus for the Super Tucano: It costs about $ 1,000 an hour to fly, compared to the $ 11,500 for the A-10 and over $ 30,000 for the F-35.

              * Scorpion. Produced by US manufacturer Textron, the light attack jet has yet to find a single buyer. That may be because the aircraft, which went from the drawing board to a prototype in 24 months, isn't as big as existing fighters but isn't as small as some intelligence, surveillance and reconnaissance planes on the market today.

              Despite its lack of sales, the Scorpion has garnered interest from US military officials and other forces around the globe, and was on display at major international air shows last year, including the Paris Air Show.

              * AT-6. The single-prop, Beechcraft plane has been integrated with over a dozen weapons, including multiple laser-guided rockets, missiles and bombs. Although the aircraft is typically used as a trainer, more militaries have begun to use it in their operations, including Iraq and Mexico.

              * TX platform. The Air Force is still holding a competition to replace its T-38 training plane. It is possible that a weaponized version of the new TX trainer could fill the support role. However, the plane isn't due until 2024, two years after the A-10's expected retirement.

              * T-50 Golden Eagle. The T-50 is a family of supersonic jets produced by Lockheed Martin and Korean Aerospace Industries. The FA-50 variant is a light attack aircraft that is already in service in the Philippines.
          3. +4
            21 June 2016 02: 13
            A-10 decommissioned

            The fact that they were relocated to Tucson does not mean that they are being sawed. At any time will be returned to duty.
            1. +2
              21 June 2016 03: 08
              Quote: Alex_Tug
              A-10 decommissioned

              Not all No.
              Quote: Alex_Tug
              The fact that they were relocated to Tucson does not mean that they are being sawed. At any time will be returned to duty.

              They are still in operation, although their number has decreased, but the A-10 can still be seen on satellite images both at US airfields and at American foreign air bases.

              A-10С in the company with F-15С at the Neliss airbase, 2016 image of the year.
  19. +6
    20 June 2016 17: 09
    These are the articles that should prevail on this site in order to justify their name. Or you need to rename the Military-Political Review.
    Article "+"!
  20. +3
    22 June 2016 10: 43
    I’m still inclined that the niche in the aircraft market is light
    single-engine fighter jets with the possibility of hitting the land of UR for $ 20-30 million.

    Like the T-50 Golden Eagle. As it were, a simplified F-16, but also supersonic.
    It is easy to train pilots on it and it is suitable for air combat at low and medium altitude.

    Any country that purchases at least three of these will immediately land the entire Tukano-class of the enemy on the ground.
  21. 0
    22 June 2016 20: 57
    Quote: voyaka uh
    I’m still inclined that the niche in the aircraft market is light
    single-engine fighter jets with the possibility of hitting the land of UR for $ 20-30 million.

    Like the T-50 Golden Eagle. As it were, a simplified F-16, but also supersonic.
    It is easy to train pilots on it and it is suitable for air combat at low and medium altitude.

    Any country that purchases at least three of these will immediately land the entire Tukano-class of the enemy on the ground.

    Provided that this country has an air defense system with a radar and guidance points or AWACS planes, otherwise they will not find anyone, much less bring down.
    1. 0
      25 February 2017 18: 49
      Provided first of all, normal motivated military and pilots who do not abandon tanks and artillery and air defense systems, upon the advance of the enemy. Learn the mat. part and train, and do not lap "swipes" and bark girls in taverns.
  22. 0
    25 February 2017 18: 46
    Quote: zyablik.olga
    Quote: Simpsonian
    You can even compare the height of the application.

    If you believe the data given in the publication, the aircraft of the Tucano class are increasingly switching to the use of guided bombs from heights inaccessible for shelling from the ground. There is a possibility that in the future aircraft guns will be completely abandoned for shelling ground targets.
    Then this will lead to a rise in price of the entire complex and rise in price of maintenance thereof. And it’s clear why, the market for cheap MANPADS, a tidbit for any country. Be it the Chinese, Israel, etc.! It’s possible to shake off various old colobrants and mujahideen under the guise of old samples. :)
  23. +1
    25 February 2017 18: 52
    Quote: voyaka uh
    I’m still inclined that the niche in the aircraft market is light
    single-engine fighter jets with the possibility of hitting the land of UR for $ 20-30 million.
    Like the T-50 Golden Eagle. As it were, a simplified F-16, but also supersonic.
    It is easy to train pilots on it and it is suitable for air combat at low and medium altitude.
    Any country that purchases at least three of these will immediately land the entire Tukano-class of the enemy on the ground.

    I don’t believe in one thing (I don’t know how with this in Tsakhal) that the pilot will get out of the cozy F-16C & A-10 and on the next flight will immediately change into such a "lawnmower" by order. All the same, the speeds are different and the manner of control is different, although the avionics and electronic equipment may be similar.
    Oh, and on your theater, in terms of deliveries from your friends from the USA and NATO, the most relevant MANPADS / SAMs, IMHO I think this plane is not relevant for Israel.

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