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Will Argentina lose Russia? Pro-American government revises Russian-Argentine relations

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The prospects for further economic and political cooperation between Russia and Argentina were called into question. On Saturday, June 11, 2016, it became known that the Radio and Television Broadcasting Authority of Argentina decided to suspend releases News Russia Today television channel as part of a free state television network. Residents of Argentina will be able to watch news broadcasts on the TV channel only on cable television networks. This decision was dictated by political motives, which you can not even doubt. Russia Today is known for its objective coverage of world events from positions that are not always in the spirit of the United States of America, EU countries and their many allies and satellites. In the case of Argentina, the cessation of broadcasting of the Russian television channel is associated with the further strengthening of the country's pro-American political course.


Recall that with 10 December 2015, the post of president of Argentina is Mauricio Macri. The 57-year-old politician was born into a family of Italian immigrants, was engaged in business for a long time, and in 1995-2007. led the Boca Juniors Football Club as president. In 2007-2015 Macri was twice elected mayor of the Argentine capital of Buenos Aires. In 2015, he was nominated for the presidency of Argentina from the center-right political party "Republican Proposal" and, having won, became head of state. According to many experts and analysts, Mauricio Macri is a 100% pro-American figure in Argentina’s political scene. A sharp turn in this major Latin American country towards cooperation with Washington is connected with his election as president. The ban on broadcasting of the Russia Today TV channel is only one of the links in the general chain of pro-American policies of Argentina under President Macri. Thus, the director of the Institute of Strategic Planning Alexander Gusev on the radio Sputnik emphasized that Mr. Makri will act as an absolutely pro-American politician as president. In particular, even during the election campaign, Makri severely criticized Venezuela’s foreign policy. Recall that Venezuela is now Russia's most important ally on the continent. Venezuela in 2008 not only supported the Russian military operation in South Ossetia, but also officially recognized Abkhazia and South Ossetia as independent states. Economic, cultural, and military-technical cooperation is developing between Russia and Venezuela, beneficial to both states. Good relations between Russia and Venezuela were established under the late Venezuelan President Hugo Chavez, and the current head of state, Nicolas Maduro, continues the line of his predecessor.

Will Argentina lose Russia? Pro-American government revises Russian-Argentine relations


During the voting on sanctions against Venezuela at a conference of the Organization of American States, Argentine Foreign Minister Susana Malcorra said that her country would abstain from voting, but would not support Venezuela. The position of the Argentine authorities has caused disappointment in Venezuela, which has become accustomed to the good attitude on the part of Buenos Aires during the presidency of Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner. Many Argentines who sympathize with left-wing ideas were also dissatisfied. Even world-famous Argentine footballer Diego Maradona, who is known as a man of left-wing political convictions and a friend of the late Venezuelan President Hugo Chávez, was forced to publicly apologize for the position of the government of his native country. “I apologize to the Venezuelan people for the position of Argentina in the Organization of American States. For the first time I am ashamed to be an Argentine. Maduro, we remain brothers, long live Venezuela! ”- wrote Diego Maradona on his page on the social network Facebook.

Before Mauricio Macri was elected president of Argentina, Buenos Aires also pursued a policy of developing political and economic relations with Russia. This was due to the fact that in 2007-2015. Argentina’s president was Cristina Fernández de Kirchner, known for her leftist views. Madame de Kirchner began her political career in the ranks of the Peronist Hustisialist Party. As president, Christine replaced her spouse Nestor Kirchner (1950-2010), who served as head of the Argentine state in 2003-2007. Nestor Kirchner was the man who changed Argentina’s domestic and foreign policy, which for a long time was one of the strongholds of Washington’s influence on the continent. In particular, Kirchner opposed the blockade of Cuba by the United States of America, declassified the archives of the Argentine special services, which contained information about the Nazi war criminals who were granted asylum in the country after World War II. Nestor Kirchner spoke out against international terrorism, unequivocally condemned terrorist acts on the territory of Russia and other countries of the world. Her husband’s politician was continued by her companion and political party ally Christina Kirchner, who visited Cuba in 2009 and became the first visiting head of Argentina for this island nation in 23. In Cuba, Christina Kirchner met with Fidel Castro. Then the head of Argentina visited Venezuela. The result of the meeting with Hugo Chavez was an agreement on the sale of oil to Argentina at a reduced price.

During the presidency of Christina Kirchner, the strengthening of Russian-Argentine relations began. 9 — 10 December 2008, Christine Fernandez de Kirchner made an official visit to Moscow. At the talks with President Dmitry Medvedev, she discussed cooperation in the areas of agriculture and the fuel and energy industry. It was also decided to establish a visa-free regime for tourists for a period not exceeding 90 days. In April, 2010, Mr. Dmitry Medvedev made a visit to Argentina, during which Russian-Argentine agreements were signed in the fields of railway transport, nuclear energy, and the joint use of the Russian satellite navigation system GLONASS. Thus, when Kirchner was president of Argentina, Russian-Argentine relations remained very friendly. Now, apparently, there is a gradual deterioration in bilateral relations, which is connected precisely with the change of the country's political course after the election of Mauricio Macri.



President Makri openly approached rapprochement with the United States of America, advocating the development and strengthening of trade and economic ties with the United States, as well as integration with the Pacific Alliance (Mexico, Peru, Chile, Colombia, Costa Rica) and the European Union. Recall that now the countries of the Pacific Alliance are the main US allies in South and Central America. Cooperation with them also means supporting their political course, which is directed in foreign policy against left-wing regimes in Ecuador, Bolivia, Venezuela, and Cuba. Makri also proclaims himself a defender of human rights and democratic values ​​and in this capacity criticizes Venezuela, whose president Nicolas Maduro pro-American media are constantly accused of systematic violation of human rights in the country. The pro-American and pro-European position of Mauricio Macri gives Argentina the opportunity to use the financial resources of the United States and the European Union, which will invest in the country's economy in exchange for its support on key foreign policy issues.

Argentina authorities formally motivate the decision to suspend RT channel releases by the need to free up frequencies for broadcasting local television channels. But in fact, behind this decision is read the poorly concealed political demarche against Russia. Russian Ambassador to Argentina, Victor Coronelli, in an interview with RIA Novosti hoped that the Argentine authorities would reconsider the decision to suspend broadcasting of the Russian television channel. According to the ambassador, such a decision does not correspond to the spirit of bilateral relations. At the same time, other Russian officials were less diplomatic in their statements. So, the chairman of the State Duma Committee on Foreign Affairs, Alexei Pushkov, on his Twitter page commented on the decision of the Argentinean authorities: “Immediately after the US protege became the head of Argentina, they decided to withdraw Russia Today from the national broadcast. But can our market be protected from their meat? ”

Of course, it is unlikely that Russia's relations with Argentina immediately after the decision to suspend broadcasting of the channel will enter the stage of economic confrontation, but it’s hard not to admit that this decision itself is a very alarming symptom. It seems that Argentina is beginning to revise its foreign policy and, ultimately, following in the wake of the United States, will move to anti-Russian positions. It is difficult to say who will lose more as a result of breaking bilateral ties. But it is already clear that Argentina will definitely not benefit from joining the US and EU anti-Russian policies.

Firstly, in Russia there is a large market for Argentinean agricultural products. The main export products of Argentina in the agricultural sector has always been meat, but Argentina also exports to Russia apples, pears, lemons, peanuts, plums. If Argentina takes any unfriendly actions against Russia, it is possible that Russia will impose prohibitive sanctions on Argentinean products. It is unlikely that Argentinean farmers will like it. At least in Italy, France, Germany, agricultural producers have literally "howled" against the ban on the import of agricultural products into Russia. After all, these are enormous losses incurred by European agricultural producers through the fault of their governments, which protect American political and economic interests. Secondly, cooperation with Russia is beneficial to Argentina in other areas, especially in the fuel and energy complex and the military-technical sphere. Contracts for the supply of the latest aviation equipment on the construction of new blocks of a nuclear power plant and new cascades of hydroelectric power in Argentina. To lose such a partner in order to satisfy the interests of the United States is stupid and, one might say, anti-people. Moreover, agriculture is traditionally one of the most important sectors of the Argentinean economy and the country's national income depends on agricultural exports. Argentina is considered one of the most important suppliers of beef to the world market. But in addition, Argentina is also known as an exporter of chicken, fish, cheese, dairy products. According to a number of sources, in 2013 the share of Argentinean meat in the Russian market amounted to 12%, and there was an obvious tendency to increase sales of Argentinean products in the Russian market.

After the introduction of sanctions on products of the European Union and the United States, Argentina announced that it plans to increase the supply of meat to Russia twice. That is, a quarter of all the meat on the Russian market could fall on Argentine products. Naturally, such a situation would be very profitable for Argentinean producers themselves - Russia, as a market, is very interesting for foreign companies. Moreover, sanctions against American and European products placed Argentina in a privileged position on the Russian market - it could supply agricultural products without actually having serious competition. Argentine producers were going to add to the traditional supply of meat, dairy products and fruit olive oil, pasta, confectionery, cheese, fish, dried fruit, fruit juices and a number of other goods that were bought by Russian trade networks in the European Union before the sanctions were imposed.

However, the government of Makri intends to analyze and revise the treaties of Argentina with China and Russia concluded under President Kirchner. Recall that in the last two years alone, Cristina Fernandez de Kirchner has signed 43 agreements with China, including 20 secret agreements, and 17 agreements with Russia, the details of which are also not disclosed. Now the Argentine authorities are confident that the agreements concluded with China and Russia are not beneficial for the country. But if you take into account the pro-American course of Macri, then for Argentina, it seems, the times are returning when the country benefited only what benefits Washington. This concerns, by the way, not only foreign policy. Makri, being a representative of the pro-American wing of the Argentine political elite, is a supporter of neoliberal policies and, accordingly, sooner or later, the country will begin to curtail many social programs, the abolition of social guarantees. According to Macri and his supporters, these measures will increase the attractiveness of Argentina for foreign investors, in this case they prefer not to speak about the interests of ordinary Argentines. The struggle against left-wing regimes in Latin America, which are oriented toward cooperation with Russia and China, is of strategic interest to the United States of America and in this regard, the pro-American course of such a regional power as Argentina is extremely beneficial to Washington. Therefore, the United States will provide Argentina with comprehensive support, hoping, in turn, to use it as a conductor of its influence in the south of the New World. It is possible that the United States will help to restructure the public debt of Argentina and contribute to its partial entry into the Pacific Partnership created by the allies of the United States.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 17 June 2016 06: 03
    +9
    Let them think seven times, then make decisions. If they want to go with America, let them survive.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 17 June 2016 07: 07
      +11
      Quote: Teberii
      Let them think seven times, then make decisions. If they want to go with America, let them survive.

      America once again played according to the "orange scenario". We will survive but Argentina would like to ask - have you "made friends" with America? Nothing below the back hurts from such a "friendship"?

      Hi Argentina! fool
      Orange sky
      Orange sea
      Orange greens
      Orange camel,
      Orange moms
      Orange guys
      Orange songs
      Orange sing.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 08: 08
        +5
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        America once again played according to the "orange scenario".

        and in what exactly did you see the "orange scenario"? Was the Kirchner clan overthrown in a coup? Was there an "Argentine Spring"? Falkland our? The latest riots were after losing to the Germans at the 2014 World Cup, but they are not connected with any orange bullshit.
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 17 June 2016 11: 52
          -9
          Quote: Pinky F.
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          America once again played according to the "orange scenario".

          and in what exactly did you see the "orange scenario"? Was the Kirchner clan overthrown in a coup? Was there an "Argentine Spring"? Falkland our? The latest riots were after losing to the Germans at the 2014 World Cup, but they are not connected with any orange bullshit.

          They dared, scary to say, terribly scary, not to show the propaganda channel Russia Today only as part of free state television broadcasting, it can be watched unhindered through paid channels.
          Because of this ban, the author of the article openly threatens an independent state: if you do something wrong, we won’t buy meat, fish, fruits, etc. The author of the article doesn’t give a damn that the interests of ordinary Russians will suffer more expensive!!!
          1. Tsoy
            Tsoy 17 June 2016 12: 10
            +1
            It was more pleasant that RT is an objective media ... hehe, in the modern world there are no objective media. There are those interested in the other side. Few conduct any truly independent investigations.
          2. Sarmat149
            Sarmat149 17 June 2016 15: 40
            +14
            To the wobble:

            For me, an ordinary Russian (not a Russian, but a Russian, I do not accept the distortion of the name of my people with EBN), do not worry, it's not your business. I’ll manage without the protection of people like you.

            I ask why Razmik, an Armenian living in Russia, but mentally alien trying to give advice? Why did you leave Armenia. Smart, decisive - go to power in Armenia, solve problems with Azerbaijan, for starters, then with Turkey and further on the list. And so all comments are rotten, some Armenian Tolmach (there is such a provocateur here).

            If there is a war in Russia, then you Razmik will go to your place or to Armenia or to another country with your diaspora. So it's not your business.

            And as for the events in Argentina, I don’t even bother, their country, what they want is what they do, as you have.

            I catch the cons.
            1. razmik72
              razmik72 17 June 2016 15: 59
              -5
              Can't distinguish the Armenian flag from the Russian? I don’t put cons, and in difficult times I defended my homeland, lost my health in the mountains. I know that Russia will manage without my help
    2. Foxmara
      Foxmara 19 June 2016 05: 26
      +1
      he is a coup. Macri along the way will do everything as they say in the State Department, so we do not expect good, but in general it would be fun to stir up his coup there and change everything back, let the State Department wash his own cocktail.
  2. meriem1
    meriem1 17 June 2016 06: 15
    +11
    Then let him sell his meat to America !!!!! On unfriendly steps, you need to respond in the same way as the "new friends" of the Argentines do! Embargo!!! Only there farmers will sweep everything away.
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 17 June 2016 07: 13
      +7
      Quote: meriem1
      Then let America sell its meat !!!!!

      They just showed on television how the Argentine collective farmers were happy about how much beef they would now send to Russia .... One even had a card and he marked Russia with a flag - he was happy, poor thing ...

      Where is our sanitation service there? Immediately find some worms in Argentinean steaks !!!!! Better yet, just tell the address where they should go with their beef and why. To be fair. Our collective farmers would not be against ...
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 08: 46
        +2
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        They just showed on TV how the Argentine collective farmers rejoiced at how much beef they would now send to Russia ....

        nonsense. Since 2015, the export of meat from the "meat" countries of LA to Russia has fallen by half. And China buys a third of the meat exported from Argentina. And the prospects for the Chinese market are more attractive for Ar-na.
        In addition, under the Kirchners, the Yankees imposed an embargo on meat imports, which closed agricultural production in Argentina. And now the embargo has been partially lifted with the prospect of a complete lifting. So to imagine that an Argentine farmer is praying for Russia is at least ridiculous.
        1. Zoldat_A
          Zoldat_A 17 June 2016 08: 58
          +3
          Quote: Pinky F.
          Quote: Zoldat_A
          They just showed on TV how the Argentine collective farmers rejoiced at how much beef they would now send to Russia ....

          nonsense. Since 2015, the export of meat from the "meat" countries of LA to Russia has fallen by half. And China buys a third of the meat exported from Argentina. And the prospects for the Chinese market are more attractive for Ar-na.
          In addition, under the Kirchners, the Yankees imposed an embargo on meat imports, which closed agricultural production in Argentina. And now the embargo has been partially lifted with the prospect of a complete lifting. So to imagine that an Argentine farmer is praying for Russia is at least ridiculous.

          Here. Only I saw it on the Vremya program with an interview with that very farmer and with the very same card. I didn't dream of a farmer and a map - I assure you. I don't sleep much, I don't dream at all - age, you know ...
          1. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 09: 23
            -3
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            did not dream - I assure you.

            but I didn’t say that I had a dream. Our agitprop could well show a joyful Argentinean pastoralist, a kibbutz with radish or a Syrian citrus plantation. And what does that change? Most of our meat importers left Paraguay and Argentina not for political reasons, but because of the well-known crisis processes. Despite the fact that Paraguay (by the way, its beef is considered to be better than Argentinean) even threw off the price by 30 cents. A collective farmer with the same happy face will stick a flag in the States or China. He essentially does not care.
          2. razmik72
            razmik72 17 June 2016 12: 11
            -7
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            Quote: Pinky F.
            Quote: Zoldat_A
            They just showed on TV how the Argentine collective farmers rejoiced at how much beef they would now send to Russia ....

            nonsense. Since 2015, the export of meat from the "meat" countries of LA to Russia has fallen by half. And China buys a third of the meat exported from Argentina. And the prospects for the Chinese market are more attractive for Ar-na.
            In addition, under the Kirchners, the Yankees imposed an embargo on meat imports, which closed agricultural production in Argentina. And now the embargo has been partially lifted with the prospect of a complete lifting. So to imagine that an Argentine farmer is praying for Russia is at least ridiculous.

            Here. Only I saw it on the Vremya program with an interview with that very farmer and with the very same card. I didn't dream of a farmer and a map - I assure you. I don't sleep much, I don't dream at all - age, you know ...

            I would advise you not to watch your state information channels - your dream will be strong and healthy.
            1. Dali
              Dali 17 June 2016 13: 48
              +5
              Quote: razmik72
              I would advise you not to watch your state information channels - your dream will be strong and healthy.

              We saw such advisers ...?! belay

              Therefore, correct your affairs for a start ... and then advise ...
              1. razmik72
                razmik72 17 June 2016 14: 33
                -3
                Quote: Dali
                Quote: razmik72
                I would advise you not to watch your state information channels - your dream will be strong and healthy.

                We saw such advisers ...?! belay

                Therefore, correct your affairs for a start ... and then advise ...

                My business is going well, God grant you the same.
            2. Zoldat_A
              Zoldat_A 17 June 2016 14: 06
              +12
              Quote: razmik72
              I would advise you not to watch your state information channels - your dream will be strong and healthy.

              And I would advise you not to give me advice about my sleep. Before 50, I slept soundly, had dreams - even in a dream I ran around the mountains in different places of the map with a gun. And in your mountains too. And after 60 I stopped sleeping and I don’t see any dreams. Understand yourself first, who will cut whom and whom we will drive away from whom. And then you will give advice on our restful sleep. And then I will also pour a lot of advice to you - it’s now you’re independent and anti-Soviet, and under the Union, first with carnations in the markets and with coven-brigades on collective farms, and then without Big Brother you could not figure out whose 10 square kilometers of mountains there.
              1. razmik72
                razmik72 17 June 2016 14: 39
                -6
                Quote: Zoldat_A
                Quote: razmik72
                I would advise you not to watch your state information channels - your dream will be strong and healthy.

                And I would advise you not to give me advice about my sleep. Before 50, I slept soundly, had dreams - even in a dream I ran around the mountains in different places of the map with a gun. And in your mountains too. And after 60 I stopped sleeping and I don’t see any dreams. Understand yourself first, who will cut whom and whom we will drive away from whom. And then you will give advice on our restful sleep. And then I will also pour a lot of advice to you - it’s now you’re independent and anti-Soviet, and under the Union, first with carnations in the markets and with coven-brigades on collective farms, and then without Big Brother you could not figure out whose 10 square kilometers of mountains there.

                If my advice is not for you, then continue to look at Time, and if you ran through our mountains, it does not mean that you need to be rude to the person who advised you from the best intentions. I also ran along the mountains, this does not surprise me.
    2. razmik72
      razmik72 17 June 2016 11: 58
      -3
      Quote: meriem1
      Then let him sell his meat to America !!!!! On unfriendly steps, you need to respond in the same way as the "new friends" of the Argentines do! Embargo!!! Only there farmers will sweep everything away.

      Nobody changed the government in their country because of the Russian embargo, give at least one example laughing. If you want not to buy high-quality Argentinean agricultural products in order to support your government’s policy on economic authoring, then this is your business, but do not impose your vision on solving complex problems for your compatriots.
    3. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 17 June 2016 12: 38
      +7
      You can buy meat closer, for example, in Mongolia. In Soviet times, they did so, they bought live cattle and grazed to the Semipalatinsk meat processing plant. But the stew was - class. Why now they do not do this I do not know. Argentinean marbled beef is clearly not for everyone, so we will survive this.
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 17 June 2016 12: 53
        .
        Quote: Bulrumeb
        You can buy meat closer, for example, in Mongolia. In Soviet times, they did so, they bought live cattle and grazed to the Semipalatinsk meat processing plant. But the stew was - class. Why now they do not do this I do not know. Argentinean marbled beef is clearly not for everyone, so we will survive this.

        Now you do not buy livestock from Mongolia and do not cut it yourself, because it is not profitable for Mongolia, it is more profitable to cut livestock, process meat, animal skin and offal have their own value. Now is not the time of the USSR, what would Moscow order, but the rest And Argentina produces not only marbled meat, if for the sake of Russia Today they’re not ready to buy high-quality meat, then you’ll have a flag in your hands and a drum on your neck, but why would you impose such a decision on the whole society, first you will announce the embargo on Argentina and the Company.
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 19 June 2016 05: 38
          +2
          Quote: razmik72
          Now you do not buy livestock from Mongolia and do not cut it yourself, because it is not profitable for Mongolia, it is more profitable to cut livestock, process meat, animal skin and offal have their own value. Now is not the time of the USSR, what would Moscow order, but the rest took under the visor.

          Ramzik, under the USSR, I did not meet anyone from the union republics who would have lived worse on the orders of Moscow than in the RSFSR. The majority received more than they gave. Nobody orders you now? Well, what is stopping you from improving relations with Azeybarjan? First, fix it, then advise others. An Armenian living in Russia once told me: "Karabakh is a point on the map! Who needs it? Nobody! I want to go back to the USSR."
  3. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 17 June 2016 06: 46
    0
    we are white and fluffy, but no one wants to be friends with us ... strange? maybe we are not very "white and fluffy"? or is it not about us? requestI foresee "sleepers", but I would like arguments ...
    1. Zoldat_A
      Zoldat_A 17 June 2016 07: 15
      +5
      Quote: Andrew Y.
      we are white and fluffy, but no one wants to be friends with us ... strange? maybe we are not very "white and fluffy"? or is it not about us? requestI foresee "sleepers", but I would like arguments ...

      I managed without sleepers, just out of a contradiction in yours, Andrei Yurievich, set a pessimism plus, but the argument is - one, sufficient and defined in one word - AMERICA. A more detailed interpretation of this argument is in the comments under almost any article on VO. And, ЧСХ, almost everything that is written here on VO about America is true ...
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 17 June 2016 15: 52
        0
        Quote: Zoldat_A
        almost everything that is written here in VO about America is true ...

        Almost everything that is written here, in VO, about America, is written by those who have not seen America in the eye and cannot imagine American realities at all, from the word "absolutely". Often such pearls give birth that I'm under the table. As well as what the American press writes about Russia. Another thing is that in America, news about Russia does not go every day, and as a rule, in the order of mentioning "yes, and such garbage happened", but in Russia America is always on the front pages. Here they devote more time to the next game of the local team than to the entire block of international news, in which Russia is by no means a central place, but if there are as many local teams as in New York and the surrounding area (2 American football, 2 baseball, 2 basketball, 3 hockey) then and estimate.
        You believe more in journalism, they haven’t told you this before to increase the rating of their channels and publications.
    2. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 07: 29
      -2
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      but I would like arguments ...

      Yurich, and what are the arguments of the all-knowing grandmothers near the entrance with their "ppppppactitytki" and "drug addicts ...."? At VO, I remember, two years ago, when Putin traveled to Argentina, the basophrenics Gundel about "our base in Argentina." Have you not given up on the Saratov trolleybuses with GLONASS for $ 4 million yet? How is the trolleybus building in the States?
    3. baudolino
      baudolino 17 June 2016 08: 05
      +7
      "maybe we're not very" white and fluffy "? - no need to be so suspicious. For a full-fledged person, it is enough to realize that he is right. Regardless of the opinion of some European dealers and Afro-presidents.
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 08: 23
        -3
        Quote: baudolino
        For a full-fledged person, awareness of his innocence is enough.

        quote from Obama?
        1. Foxmara
          Foxmara 19 June 2016 05: 42
          +1
          Quote: Pinky F.
          quote from Obama?

          Where to! This is exceptional. He will never agree to the usual laughing
    4. Santa Fe
      Santa Fe 17 June 2016 11: 00
      0
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      we are white and fluffy, but no one wants to be friends with us ... strange? maybe we are not very "white and fluffy"? or is it not about us? I foresee "sleepers", but I would like arguments ...

      This happens, Andrei Yurevich, for a simple reason: the United States and the countries of Zap. Europe managed to build a very attractive model of the socio-economic system. In which:
      a) the majority of the population has a very high standard of living
      b) science and culture have reached amazing heights, and every day they update records
      new technologies are born regularly, which again, first of all, become available to residents of these countries
      + general order and rule of law within the US and Europe, also serving as an "emblem" and the best advertisement for these states


      what do "whites and fuzzies" have to offer? Oil, Kuzkin's mother and irreplaceable Putin
      1. Dali
        Dali 17 June 2016 13: 53
        +5
        Quote: SWEET_SIXTEEN
        a) the majority of the population has a very high standard of living

        To the question of how they achieved this ...

        Ie suggest you start robbing everyone who is weaker ... i.e. if uevropa and mattress weaken the next ten years, then you propose to do with them, as they once were with the ideologists, as they are in the Middle East and Africa ...

        So you think that you can improve the standard of living in your country, due to the robbery and murder of people in other countries ?! belay
        1. Ruslan
          Ruslan 20 June 2016 17: 18
          -1
          what? robbery? selling you and all these "robbed" everything that surrounds you? food, clothing, medicine, technology, equipment, programs, entertainment, etc. etc. then yes, I would like Russia to rob the world in the same way. for that Putin's robbery of Russia, you do not want to notice. Here is what a brilliant environment the GDP has! what is not a relative, friend, classmate, colleague, then a millionaire billionaire. there is nothing to blame on the mirror, since the face itself is crooked !!!
          "patriots", such "patriots" ...
  4. BARKAS
    BARKAS 17 June 2016 06: 48
    +2
    It’s even easier for states to influence what is happening in Latin America than for Europe to crash the economy for disobedience, and here’s another revolution!
  5. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 17 June 2016 07: 00
    +1
    According to the ambassador, such a decision does not correspond to the spirit of bilateral relations.

    What spirit can we talk about if a pro-American politician came to power? Then at the time to begin to calculate how Russia can respond to such a demarche in addition to reducing imports of Argentinean meat. While we will call for conscience and compliance with the agreements, the train will leave again.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 09: 50
      -3
      Quote: rotmistr60
      Then at the time to begin to calculate how Russia can respond to such a demarche

      and what, actually, is the demarche? Banned RT broadcasting? Is this channel archipopular in Argentina? I do not quite understand how this relates to trade.
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 17 June 2016 11: 02
        +3
        In my opinion, I did not write about trading. But it is worth thinking about the possible response of the "new" Argentina to the rupture of economic (previously enshrined in treaties) relations with Russia. Regarding RT, remind you in which countries the broadcasting of this channel was stopped, or was it (the channel) began to be hindered? It all starts first with the broadcasting of Russian channels, and ends ...
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 11: 38
          0
          Quote: rotmistr60
          In my opinion, I did not write about trading. But it is worth thinking about the possible response of the "new" Argentina to the rupture of economic (previously enshrined in treaties) relations with Russia.

          call it what you want - the meaning is the same. We can not have any critical impact on the economy of Argentina. Rosatom will leave Argentina without completing the sixth block in Atuch? Well, please China. Not a single industry, wholly or partially tied to us in Argentina, is and is not expected. But responding with a trade war to ban propaganda is stupid. And what, in fact, is surprising in the fact that America is wrapped in airbags from loyal governments?
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 17 June 2016 07: 01
    +4
    will contribute to its partial entry into the Pacific partnership, created by US allies.

    If sclerosis does not change me, then Argentina has a slightly more direct relationship to the Pacific Partnership than Japan to NATO, and Australia to Eurovision. That is, they are practically unrelated geographically. It's like Georgia is trying to become a member of the EU while being completely in Asia.

    1. razmik72
      razmik72 17 June 2016 12: 15
      -4
      Quote: inkass_98
      will contribute to its partial entry into the Pacific partnership, created by US allies.

      If sclerosis does not change me, then Argentina has a slightly more direct relationship to the Pacific Partnership than Japan to NATO, and Australia to Eurovision. That is, they are practically unrelated geographically. It's like Georgia is trying to become a member of the EU while being completely in Asia.

      Since when has Georgia been in Asia?
      1. Pinkie F.
        Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 12: 44
        +1
        Quote: razmik72
        Since when has Georgia been in Asia?

        so in West (Front) Asia, no?
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 17 June 2016 13: 00
          -1
          Quote: Pinky F.
          Quote: razmik72
          Since when has Georgia been in Asia?

          so in West (Front) Asia, no?

          The border of Europe passes along the Araks River, Armenia also geographically enters into Europe.
      2. yehat
        yehat 17 June 2016 13: 41
        0
        so said china. No one objected laughing
  7. Nix1986
    Nix1986 17 June 2016 07: 03
    +5
    Steaks are a pity of course, but it seems like we have already started to appear on the shelves. And Natalya Oreiro apparently liked very much, she probably won’t come to visit, but I was waiting for her so ...: ((
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 17 June 2016 12: 20
      -6
      Quote: Nix1986
      Steaks are a pity of course, but it seems like we have already started to appear on the shelves. And Natalya Oreiro apparently liked very much, she probably won’t come to visit, but I was waiting for her so ...: ((

      Invite smile maybe she’ll come, she’s not touchy, because of the embargo on Argentine agricultural products, which our zealous author calls to impose, she’s unlikely to be offended, not all people are guided only by political expediency in their actions.
  8. sa-ag
    sa-ag 17 June 2016 07: 10
    0
    There is a reformatting of relations throughout South America, Brazil, Argentina, now Venezuela is thinking about resuming relations with the United States
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 08: 15
      -1
      Quote: sa-ag
      now Venezuela is thinking about resuming relations with the USA

      and Cuba. And where do they go?
      1. Gardamir
        Gardamir 17 June 2016 09: 45
        -4
        and Cuba. And where do they go
        That is, if the Kremlin betrays everyone wholesale and retail. And by the way, who are the best partners of the Kremlin, not for discussions on Topvar, but in reality?
        1. razmik72
          razmik72 17 June 2016 12: 26
          -6
          Quote: Gardamir
          and Cuba. And where do they go
          That is, if the Kremlin betrays everyone wholesale and retail. And by the way, who are the best partners of the Kremlin, not for discussions on Topvar, but in reality?

          The best "partner" of the Kremlin is the "authorities" of Armenia, which, it would be better to say, are not partners, but servants, ordinary sixes. For the current leaders of Russia, partners are unnecessary, give them sixes, it is easier with them, but with partners you still need to mess around, something agree on what to grind and fix.
      2. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 17 June 2016 11: 34
        +4
        For Pinky F.
        And where should they go?

        To remind you how Raul Castro waved Obama’s hand. Cuba has been and has been under sanctions since the time of the revolution, but for some reason it has not gone anywhere.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 11: 55
          +2
          Quote: rotmistr60
          To remind you how Raul Castro waved Obama’s hand.

          so what? Can't you remind you that Cuba and the United States have resumed direct flights, an embassy has opened in Havana, the first interbank agreement has been signed, investment legislation has been reformed, and a media octopus is slowly creeping in after Google? So little hands with little hands, of course, is a symbol there and so on, but thinking in the headlines of Pravda fifty years ago is not worth it.
        2. Gardamir
          Gardamir 17 June 2016 12: 00
          +3
          to remind
          recall, not just a brief episode with pens, but in full. Better yet, all the events after that.
          Cuba has been and is under sanctions
          and the Soviet Union, only none of the leaders of these countries hid behind cunning plans.
  9. parusnik
    parusnik 17 June 2016 07: 46
    +2
    But in fact, behind this decision is read the poorly concealed political demarche against Russia. ..There weren’t even the Argentines initiators .. the USA suggested .. They’re talking about the struggle against Russian propaganda most of all .. Americans in Latin America are winning back their lost positions .. And Russia's weak positions in this region ... are explained by the policy of the Russian Federation 1990 - 2000 ..
  10. azer
    azer 17 June 2016 08: 01
    0
    Handsome am .. we have a question for all of you! Why p ... I don't do that? Why there are no revolutions, stavlenik cream .. I why a simple and on the other hand a difficult question.
  11. ovod84
    ovod84 17 June 2016 08: 10
    +2
    Do not rush to conclusions, those who want to pay for viewing, the more they are not fools, the economy is already bursting at the seams. They will cooperate on beneficial terms with everyone, including the USA and Russia
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 08: 25
      0
      Quote: ovod84
      will cooperate on a win-win terms with everyone including the US and Russia

      naturally. And with China.
  12. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 17 June 2016 09: 19
    0
    Americans are stripping their underbelly. Color revolutions are rolling around Latin America. We realized that. Looks like Baraka was reprimanded, for omissions in supervision. laughing
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 09: 30
      -1
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Color revolutions are rolling around Latin America.

      Where are they rolling? Name at least one color revolution in LA over the past 10 years.
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      3. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 17 June 2016 11: 06
        +1
        Here is the comrade below and answered you. Petrik66 (1) RU  Today, 09:56
        More optimism in the morning. hi
      4. vladimirvn
        vladimirvn 17 June 2016 11: 06
        +1
        Here is the comrade below and answered you. Petrik66 (1) RU  Today, 09:56
        More optimism in the morning. hi
      5. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 17 June 2016 11: 41
        +1
        For Pinky F.
        You probably don't read the press and don't watch the news on TV. There were enough attempts. If you measure the "color revolutions" in Georgia and Ukraine, then of course everything went almost bloodless and was suppressed by the authorities.
  13. Diviz
    Diviz 17 June 2016 09: 34
    0
    What are they selling for dollars? Those. Nobody needs progress with America to be afraid to fight so far. Then what should they say equal to Colombia. Venezuela how long this question lasts.
  14. Petrik66
    Petrik66 17 June 2016 09: 56
    +10
    Sadly, the American run over the Russian Federation began to bear fruit. Argentina has already merged, Brazil has already merged, Venezuela is next in line. Of the partners, Cuba remained with its gerantocracy and Nicaragua, where they are more oriented towards China. Cuba, here you can bet on money that after the death of Fidel and the departure of Raul, the country will instantly reorient itself to the USA (cigar revolution). For the states, the principle issue of our punishment is to discourage others. And they, we must give them their due, stubbornly go towards this goal. The EU cannot lift sanctions against the Russian Federation, since it automatically falls under US sanctions. From history, when several European companies in the 70s ignored the US demands to ban the supply of gas equipment to the USSR, they were simply ruined by the Americans. And the fines of French and German banks for "cooperation" with us - an example from yesterday. And you don't see any special desire from the EU to decide something. Germany provoked a conflict in Ukraine in order to squeeze the Russian market - 50 million people. It turned out only partially - the market was not so attractive. then provoked a war - so don't get anyone else. Where to start improving. Now it remains to put the squeeze on us in Syria and judging by the transfer of the AUG closer to Syria, aggravation is not far off. We are provoked to be drawn into conflict, into direct confrontation. NATO dances at the borders, hysteria in the media, everything resembles preparation for a conflict, when Europe will have to prove its loyalty to its patron. Bringing the crisis to the point of complete confrontation, the United States will give us the olive branch of the world on its own terms (Assad, DPR and Poland), in short, on terms of honorable surrender. We have no allies. Iran - what kind of ally is it? China - it cannot be anyone's ally by definition. Too unequal forces. Perhaps the extreme aggravation of the situation with the Russian Federation will push it towards a clearer position and lead to some kind of joint action against the United States, but for now, they are sitting with a fig in their pocket and waiting .... Hard times, however.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 10: 37
      -1
      Quote: Petrik66
      Germany provoked a conflict in Ukraine in order to squeeze the Russian market - 50 million people.

      why Germany
      Quote: Petrik66
      China- Perhaps an extreme aggravation of the situation with the Russian Federation will push him to a clearer position and lead to some kind of joint action against the United States

      It is very doubtful about "push" and "joint action". Where do our interests with China coincide in the geopolitical context?
      1. rotmistr60
        rotmistr60 17 June 2016 11: 49
        +4
        For Pinky F.
        why Germany

        Once again, you have to remind who offered Ukraine economic cooperation with Europe with the subsequent entry into the EU. From here - Ukraine-tse Europe, lace panties, Maidan, blood, civil war. Enough rinse your brains already respected.
        1. Pinkie F.
          Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 12: 05
          -3
          Quote: rotmistr60
          Stop rinsing your brains already

          I do not seem to be rude to you,
          Quote: rotmistr60
          respected

          And the question was not addressed to you, so for your
          Quote: rotmistr60
          brain

          can be calm.
    2. Operator
      Operator 17 June 2016 11: 33
      +1
      What kind of whining - well, did they transfer the RT channel to a paid basis and what, arms deals (which were not there) fell through with Russia?

      Argentina is an agricultural country, the US market is already closed for its products (there is plenty of its own food there), the task is to close the Russian market (we have more opportunities than in the USA and Argentina combined). And Russia needs to supply Russian food, crowding out Argentinean food (you can cut prices on one logistics).

      It is necessary to fully support the planned change in US foreign policy, voiced by presidential candidate Trump: a return to the Monroe Doctrine - limiting US actions only to the western hemisphere (including the withdrawal of US bases from Europe, Asia and Africa).

      Russia as a zone of national interests is quite enough for Europe and the Middle East, and China - the rest of Asia and Africa.

      Tripolar world, however.
  15. iouris
    iouris 17 June 2016 10: 57
    0
    Latin America is the backyard of the United States (for now). So it’s hard to work there.
  16. 25ru
    25ru 17 June 2016 11: 10
    +1
    Expected. Another blushing corefanka merged.
  17. igor67
    igor67 17 June 2016 13: 09
    +1
    I still do not understand what the problem is with RT, we have it in Israel, it comes with a dozen other Russian channels, First, Russia, NTV, STS TNT, and others, only RT in English and I need it if I do not speak English? I don’t think that the channel is in Spanish in Argentina, I don’t think that this channel is so popular that it would be broadcast free of charge given the high cost of airtime
    1. Dali
      Dali 17 June 2016 14: 06
      +2
      Quote: igor67
      I don’t think that the channel is in Spanish in Argentina, I don’t think that this channel is so popular that it would be broadcast free of charge given the high cost of airtime


      You don't "think" laughing or still you don’t know and write what has taken in mind ...
      I’ll tell you, you must first know the realities, and then “not think” ... laughing
    2. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 17 June 2016 14: 40
      +1
      Quote: igor67
      I do not think that in Argentina the channel in Spanish


      From 10.10.2014 broadcasting in Argentina in Spanish.
      Quote: Dali
      I'll tell you, you must first learn the realities, and then "not think"

      I agree.
  18. Skubudu
    Skubudu 17 June 2016 13: 24
    0
    The Americans helped the little ones in the war with Argentina over the Falkland Islands ...
    And the Argentines get shawl it ... I had a better opinion of them.
    The next country in which the promatras henchman comes to power is Venezuela
    Soon, not one country loyal to Russia will remain on the American continent.
  19. Berkut24
    Berkut24 17 June 2016 14: 16
    +1
    Yes, and to hell with them. Argentina and I have nowhere to hurry. Let's wait. In the meantime, our farmers and agricultural firms multiply cattle in the pen, let them chew their meat themselves. Five years later to summarize
  20. 1536
    1536 17 June 2016 20: 55
    0
    This is to be expected. In Argentina, like nowhere else in Latin America, the position of the Nazis is strong, i.e. Germans. In Germany, a new fascism flourished with a fat weed. It would be strange in Argentina to observe the love of his grave digger - Russia.
  21. akims
    akims 18 June 2016 17: 00
    +1
    Here is an interesting video from Igor Rasteryaev about the unloading of Argentine meat in the port.
    I cried: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=64tBI8c6oz8