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T-72B3 tanks will receive automatic gear shift

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The updating of the existing fleet of armored vehicles is ongoing. Recently it became known that during the current modernization of drill tanks The T-72 family was proposed to use new components that further enhance the characteristics of the equipment. In addition to the project that is already being implemented, updating electronic equipment, weapons, etc. Now it is planned to introduce new units of the power plant and transmission, affecting the mobility of the tanks and their operational characteristics.


According to the Izvestia edition, the main battle tanks T-72 will receive additional equipment in the form of an updated transmission control system during the modernization of new lots. The new version of the T-72B3 retrofit project involves the use of the automatic gearbox APP-172. The automatic system will replace the manual control lever connected to the hydraulic actuators. It is expected that such a modernization will greatly simplify the operation of armored vehicles, as well as facilitate its management and reduce the negative consequences of driver errors.

According to reports, the new version of the modernization of the T-72B3 was developed by Uralvagonzavod Corporation upon the request of the Ministry of Defense. The next contract of the Ministry of Defense for the repair and modernization of armored vehicles in the army, among other things, involves the use of a new automated gearbox. The contract signed in March implies the restoration and renewal of a hundred and fifty T-72B tanks. This technique, together with other new systems, will receive APP-172 machines.


Tank T-72B3. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


It is reported that the gearbox with automatic machine APP-172, proposed for use on T-72B3 tanks, was borrowed from the T-90CM project. Thus, due to the use of new units it is planned to improve the characteristics of existing tanks to the level of the latest developments. Upgrading the transmission will simplify the management of equipment and bring such parameters to a new high level.

The automatic gearbox APP-172, proposed for installation on upgraded tanks, was developed in NPO "Electromashina", part of the corporation "Uralvagonzavod." The device is designed as a single unit with a set of necessary controls, which can be installed in the control department of the upgraded equipment. Installation of the machine and its connection to the necessary onboard systems can be carried out both in the factories and in the field.

The APP-172 system is able to track the parameters of transmission operation and independently perform gear changes. There are manual and automatic mode of operation. In addition, when the automatic mode of operation remains the ability to shift gears manually. During automatic operation, the machine spends on the gearshift order of 0,2 with. The machine connects to the on-board systems using a two-wire circuit and is installed to the right of the driver's seat, in the same place as the regular transmission control systems.

T-72B3 tanks will receive automatic gear shift
Automatic gearbox APP-172 (light blue color unit) in the control compartment of the armored vehicle. Photo Npoelm.ru


On the body of the automatic device APP-172 there is a set of necessary controls. A toggle switch is provided to turn on the device with LED indication, as well as a movable lever with a scale that simulates a regular transmission control device. Thus, the use of the machine does not require complex retraining of personnel with the development of new equipment management principles.

The use of automatic gear, according to the developer, allows you to optimize the work of the transmission due to the correct management of it. Proper transmission control can reduce the acceleration time from standstill to 50 km / h on 2-3 with. Average highway speeds can be increased by 15-20%. The 10-15% reduces fuel consumption. Thus, the installation of a relatively simple and small device allows you to significantly increase the mobility of the armored vehicle and improve its performance.

The first domestic tank that received the automatic gearbox APP-172, was the T-90CM. In addition, such equipment was used in one of the special projects. This system is now offered for installation on upgraded T-72B3 for front-end units. Thus, the original innovation will be able to get into the troops and have a positive impact on the operation of the upgraded armored vehicles.


Tank T-72B3M. Photo of Wikimedia Commons


According to Izvestia, the first batch of X-NUMX tanks T-32B72 with the APP-3 submachine gun will be upgraded by the end of this year and will be available to the 172 Guards Tank Army of the Western Military District. In the future, troops will receive the remaining vehicles, which will be updated in accordance with a recent order.

It should be noted that the project of equipping the T-72B3 tanks with automatic gearshift is not the first option to upgrade the power plant and transmission of armored vehicles of this type. So, back in 2014, the main tank T-72B3М (also the designation T-72B4) was introduced, intended for participation in the "Tank Biathlon". This machine was a modified version of the original T-72B3 using components and assemblies from T-90CM. The “racing” tank was equipped with an advanced B-92C2F engine with 1130 horsepower, a new power plant control system, an automatic gear shift and other equipment for various purposes, including new sighting equipment.

T-72B3М was tested on the track of the competition and showed itself well. However, this modification of the tank is not yet planned for mass production, and the modernization of armored vehicles available to the troops is being carried out according to the T-72B3 project. However, according to recent reports, the updated cars of new lots will receive automatic transmission control, borrowed from previous projects. This will further improve the characteristics of armored vehicles without significant costs for the replacement of various components.


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  1. Predator-74
    Predator-74 16 June 2016 06: 38
    10
    ... "racing" tank ...))). - test phrase! I used 840 hp and it was pretty fast, I wonder how the 72nd "drives" on such an engine with such a gear.
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 16 June 2016 09: 30
      +5
      T-72B3 tanks will receive automatic gear shift


      The first and most important thing that T-72Б3 should receive is KAZ !!!

      Statistics on ATGM TOW for MAY 2016, from rebels from SSA, I do not answer for reliability, allegedly there were 67 launches.
      1. Alekseev
        Alekseev 16 June 2016 12: 54
        +6
        Quote: cosmos111
        The first and most important thing that T-72Б3 should receive is KAZ !!!

        And KAZ, and amplification DZ, and a curtain, and closed ZPU.
        In any case, the automatic gear shift is not the most important thing. Switching them is not difficult, hydraulics, however.
        But the costs and design complications are evident, although not global.
        1. gallville
          gallville 16 June 2016 14: 40
          +8
          Quote: Alekseev
          And KAZ,

          Expensive pleasure for an ancient car. On the arm without question.
          Quote: Alekseev
          and amplification DZ

          At least the tower is denser. Yes, and grilles on the sides do not interfere.
          Quote: Alekseev
          and closed ZPU.

          Easy to say. You must immediately change the sight of the commander. It must be changed in any case.
          It’s just not fanatical about the panoramic sight, but at least a modern analogue of what was on the t-80.
          In general, as with the T-72, the situation is "step forward 2 back". There was a T-80 with a closed ROM, a normal contact-5 body kit, a powerful engine (already "behind the eyes"), even with a thermal imager. They took them out of service.
          They delivered without normal density dz, without rom and with the ancient sight of the commander, and began to strengthen the engine. The only bonus is the new AZ.
          So that it was impossible to shove AZ (namely AZ) in the T-80 and put another engine (there was a diesel version of 500 units only in the Russian Federation, again, the RF assignee of the USSR with intellectual property has no development problems).
          Some kind of walking in a circle.
          1. Professor
            Professor 16 June 2016 14: 42
            -7
            Quote: gallville
            Again, the Russian Federation, the assignee of the USSR with intellectual property, there are no development problems).

            Not an assignee. The USSR had 15 successors, for that matter. But there are no problems with intellectual property. Statute of limitations and lack of patenting.
            1. gallville
              gallville 16 June 2016 14: 55
              +4
              The Russian Federation has received official or tacit recognition as a state that has accepted from the USSR as the main components of its international legal status. In the agreements concluded by the Russian Federation with individual states, the new term “successor state” was used ... However, it can be noted that not all such agreements use this formula, proceeding, obviously, from the fact that it applies only to certain international affairs and does not pretend to supplant the traditional category of succession. The concept of the successor state was manifested in determining, firstly, the fate of the membership of the USSR in the UN and other international organizations, and secondly, the fate of the diplomatic and consular missions of the USSR in foreign countries. Both issues were resolved by agreement with interested states.
              - International law. Ignatenko. Tiunov. Norm. 2005. p. 76


              According to the data provided by the Russian Federation, at the end of 1991 the liabilities of the former Union were estimated at $ 93,7 billion, and assets at $ 110,1 billion. Vnesheconombank's deposits amounted to about $ 700 million. The Agreement of the CIS states on the property of the former USSR overseas on December 30, 1991 stipulated that each of the CIS member states receives a fair share in the property of the USSR abroad, the size of the shares was determined by the Agreement on the distribution of all property of the former USSR over 6 July 1992 Subsequently, however, on a bilateral basis, Russia agreed with the CIS member states, with the exception of Ukraine, to accept their shares of the external debt of the former USSR and shares in the assets of the former USSR abroad.


              Quote: Professor
              But there are no problems with intellectual property. Statute of limitations and lack of patenting.

              As the saying goes all the more. Those. in fact, the problem is in the lobby of your product. Not a desire to master the repair of the t-80.
            2. Idiot
              Idiot 19 June 2016 12: 04
              +3
              Quote: Professor
              Not an assignee. The USSR had 15 successors, for that matter.


              And why then 15 legal successors did not pay the debts of the USSR?
      2. Skubudu
        Skubudu 16 June 2016 14: 09
        +6
        I am tormented by vague doubts that we do not have a working KAZ.
        Why have they still not sent a single KAZ to Syria for testing?
        The arena ... was originally created flawed. Therefore, it was never adopted.
        Mortar afghanit have a limited angle of fire, due to their location.
    2. cosmos111
      cosmos111 16 June 2016 09: 40
      +3
      1. KAZ "Afganit", the lead developer is the Design Bureau of Mechanical Engineering (Kolomna), millimeter-wave radar is being developed by the Lianozovsky Electromechanical Plant. KAZ "Afganit" is designed for the close line of interception (several meters from the protected object). The maximum speed of intercepted ammunition is 1700 m / s, which implies the ability to counter armor-piercing sub-caliber shells.

      2. Another KAZ complex is being developed by TsKIB SOO (a division of the Tula Instrument Design Bureau, part of the High Precision Complexes holding). According to the statement of Alexei Sorokin, General Director of TsKIB SOO, the complex has successfully passed state tests and a pilot industrial batch is being manufactured.
      JSC "NPK KBM": http://www.kbm.ru/ru/enterprise/

      3. KAZ, developed by OJSC "Phazotron" is designed to protect the upper hemisphere of armored objects. The radar is designed to operate at short ranges with a short duration of sounding pulses. It provides automatic detection of attacking ammunition in the upper hemisphere above the protected moving object, both in the parking lot and in motion.
      "High-precision complexes":http://www.npovk.ru/kompleksy-vooruzheniya-legkobronirovannoj-texniki-i-tankov.h
      tml


      Active protection system "Afganit", below the tubes of charges, above its radar. Armata tank.
      1. cosmos111
        cosmos111 16 June 2016 09: 49
        +1
        The T-72 B3 tank costs millions of dollars, ATGM TOW 60-n thousand $.
        It is worthwhile to establish KAZ even for economic reasons (not to mention that the lives of TANKERS will be saved).


        In the meantime, in Syria.
        1 SSA - TOW 2A division for a tank in the vicinity of Aleppo for a T-72 / T-90 tank?

        Tank, behind the parapet and anyway hit.


        Screenshots start.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 16 June 2016 09: 54
          +3
          Now the video / screenshots, the work of KAZ Trophy-HV, during the shelling of the RPT.

          1. Skubudu
            Skubudu 16 June 2016 13: 58
            +1
            Is this, as I understand it, a container with striking elements?
            He shoots and a new container is automatically put in his place? How many of these containers are loaded in the machine?
            1. cosmos111
              cosmos111 16 June 2016 16: 48
              0
              Quote: Skubudu
              Is this, as I understand it, a container with striking elements?


              ExactlyHE counter-ammunition (with a shell of predetermined crushing, ready-to-use striking elements) provide for the destruction of rocket-propelled grenades and guided missiles.

              Not effective against solid and thick-walled kinetic ammunition (armor-piercing sub-caliber, cumulative and HE shells of anti-tank artillery and tank guns).

              The “forbidden” zone around the object remains quite significant - about 20–30 m.
              The reloading of fragmentation counter-munitions during a battle is not possible.

              I don’t know the amount of counter-ammunition in one container.

              Another Israeli development .KAZ Iron Fist company Israel Military Industries in 2006 year, and in 2007-m was put for testing in the armed forces of Israel.
              "For reconnaissance and target designation, a radar with a phased array is used, which can be supplemented by an infrared target sensor.
              On a rotary installation, there is a block of two counter-explosive ordnance with a high-explosive warhead that fires in the direction of the target and, when detonated at the turn of about 10 m from the protected object, destroy or deflect the anti-tank ammunition with a high-explosive effect, without forming fragments.
              According to the developers, this reduces the likelihood of collateral damage to their troops, while at the same time quite effectively acting on the PTS ammunition. "


              BUT, the Israeli army on the basis of testing refused to further finance the development of KAZ Iron Fist and decided to improve the KAZ Trophy.
              Israel Military Industries Offers Iron Fist Spacecraft to Foreign Customers


              KAZ Iron Fist as part of two launchers and two radars on the tower of the Indian MBT Arjun Mk.II
        2. Professor
          Professor 16 June 2016 10: 04
          +3
          Quote: cosmos111
          The T-72 B3 tank costs millions of dollars, ATGM TOW 60-n thousand $.

          In 2015, the new TOU 2 cost $ 58,908. However, in the warehouses of this good is visible and invisible.
          1. cosmos111
            cosmos111 16 June 2016 10: 44
            +3
            Quote: Professor
            In 2015, the new TOU 2 cost $ 58,908. However, in the warehouses of this good is visible and invisible.


            Prof hi Here is such arithmetic + the lives of tankers are at stake, and they are engaged in **** th.

            Quote: Alexander War
            puts a new KAZ on a modernized one will not be the only one can put a KAZ Arena as here in the photo


            This is an exhibition sample, on SERIAL KAZ 000ZZZ.
            1. Professor
              Professor 16 June 2016 12: 06
              +4
              Quote: cosmos111
              Profff here is such arithmetic + the lives of tankers are at stake, and they are engaged in **** th.

              By the way, the Americans chose another Israeli KAZ for themselves.


              Quote: ohtandur
              Professor, do not tell me how things are with the automatic transmission of Western counterparts, in particular the Israeli, German and American? Do not know?

              I know. Bourgeoisie have long put an automatic transmission on their tanks. Moreover, they put it on Soviet tesos.


              Powerpack for T-72M4 CZ tank


              French power unit replacement standard for T-72 1 hour in the field.
              POWERPACK 350S

              8 forward and 4 reverse speeds. Manual and fully automatic switching.
              1. pimen
                pimen 16 June 2016 12: 37
                +4
                Quote: Professor
                I know. Bourgeoisie have long put an automatic transmission on their tanks. Moreover, they put it on Soviet tesos.
                Powerpack for T-72M4 CZ tank

                Professor, please, who is so smart? Unfortunately, I only speak Russian, with a mat
                1. Professor
                  Professor 16 June 2016 12: 39
                  +2
                  Quote: pimen
                  Professor, please, who is so smart? Unfortunately, I only speak Russian, with a mat

                  The first photo is Israel, the second is France.
                  1. pimen
                    pimen 16 June 2016 13: 40
                    +1
                    a fig did not understand. They run? Or is it just an idea?
                    1. Professor
                      Professor 16 June 2016 13: 52
                      +2
                      Quote: pimen
                      a fig did not understand. They run? Or is it just an idea?

                      Of course they run. For example, the Czechs.
          2. ohtandur
            ohtandur 16 June 2016 10: 58
            0
            Professor, do not tell me how things are with the automatic transmission of Western counterparts, in particular the Israeli, German and American? Do not know?
            1. Come on
              Come on 17 June 2016 22: 36
              0
              A ridiculous question, especially about the Germans :))
        3. Alexander War
          Alexander War 16 June 2016 10: 32
          +4
          Andrew puts the new KAZ on the modernized will not be the only one can put KAZ Arena as here in the photo
      2. TOR2
        TOR2 16 June 2016 11: 12
        +3
        TsKIB SOO is an updated "Arena." "High-precision complexes" are updating the thrush, they have "Drozd-2". Both of these complexes repeat each other, and use the same principle of destruction of ammunition. None of them is equipped with optoelectronic jamming modules.
        In general, all these photos and videos, the T-72B3 developers need to demonstrate, and better to customers.
        Ideally, you need a complex combining several types of resistance that can be installed on any equipment.
        1. Come on
          Come on 17 June 2016 22: 39
          +1
          Take an interest in the German AMAP-ADS, this is just the whole complex, soft & hardkill systems, besides sensors and passive armor, and much more. What does this KAZ offer for both light and heavy vehicles, as well as helicopters.
  2. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 16 June 2016 07: 03
    +4
    Somehow I do not trust the machine, especially on the tank. According to experience, 2 speed was knocked out on my car, so I rode switching from 1 to 3, drove a hundred. And on the tank in battle, if the machine breaks down, then what to do. Maybe I am a retrograde or something I don’t know? If only a tow truck breaks down. Maybe in vain we are chasing convenience in this case?
    1. Yuri from Volgograd
      Yuri from Volgograd 16 June 2016 07: 36
      +6
      If the machine is reliable, then there is nothing wrong with it.
      In principle, the tank should be as comfortable as possible, as this is the condition and combat effectiveness of the crew. For ABS and cruise control I do not know, but the climate is definitely needed.
      The Hans, by the way, back in 1943, had air conditioners in some tigers, had a steering wheel instead of levers. Well, for reference.
      1. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 16 June 2016 08: 19
        0
        I know about tigers and stuff. The fact that the machine is reliable is also no question. However, the mechanics will be more reliable and lively. Apart from convenience, I did not find any special advantages over the manual transmission at the machine (it may have traveled a little). But hemorrhoids if it breaks above the roof. I know that if cars of the same class but with a different box, then there will be more with an automatic machine in consumption, but in the article the opposite .. And this is a tank, who knows, tell us about the advantages and disadvantages of automatic transmission compared to mechanics. So that it’s straightforward
        1. marshes
          marshes 16 June 2016 08: 49
          0
          Quote: Kostya Andreev
          Who knows, tell us about the advantages and disadvantages of automatic transmission compared to mechanics.

          Well, I had Suzuki Escudo with automatic transmission, beyond all praise. Especially when I went to the mountains to the cottage. The road is narrow, serpentine. I had to stop to let oncoming traffic or truckers. It’s convenient to the hill, I just squeezed the brake and then wait for the gas pedal and alga further, no need to burn the clutch. Yes, there were descending auto-woodpeckers who did not miss the rising transport.
          In traffic jams gorgeous on the machine.
          Manual, I got a second gear on 412, synchronizers. The Muscovites are ill. The engine is powerful, but the box doesn’t seem to be thought out or taken from previous models. I heard about this jamb from Grand and Kalin, who has a more powerful engine.
          CVTs and other robotic boxes, especially if the automaker earlier wants to throw the car on the market, are sometimes buggy. It is better to wait a little before the updated version is released, just there all the jambs will be fixed during development.
        2. tundra
          tundra 16 June 2016 09: 06
          +2
          At first, many carriers drove more cargo with distrust to the machine (including myself), now it’s the other way around, if there is a choice, I will always choose a car and only I wrote already
          the box is the same, the switching drive is different, not a poker,
          I don’t know how on tanks, well, probably made simply and with taste.
        3. Alekseev
          Alekseev 16 June 2016 13: 56
          +3
          Quote: Kostya Andreev
          The machine has not found any particular advantages over manual transmission in addition to convenience

          It has already been explained that on the T-64, 72, 80, 90 tanks.
          Not just a manual transmission, but two (on each side of its own) planetary gearbox with hydraulic control.
          There are no clutches with synchronizers there. The gear ratio is changed by braking of various elements of the planetary gears with friction clutches working in oil; hydraulic boosters create the force. Mechanic driver moving a lever changes the position of the spool in the hydraulic distribution mechanism and all. Well, what the hell is there automatic switching? I don’t understand myself ... request
          If this machine is very reliable and very inexpensive ...
          What doubts ... Especially for the price. wink
          I will also add "my own five cents" about the quick-detachable power units mentioned by the professor.
          Unfortunately, he presses more on the theoretical-visual part, but in practice there are some clarifications. And very significant.
          I myself, like many tankers and others who joined them, of course, so that the power unit could be quickly removed and installed in the tank and other BBM.
          The question arises: why didn’t they, for example, in the T-72?
          After all, technically it is not difficult. It is only necessary to install diesel, guitar, oil tanks, radiators on one base, and then, all this together, should already be fixed to the machine body. True blocking will cause weight gain, but not so significant.
          Perfectly! But it makes sense only when a crane of at least 2 tons is available ... And the spare power unit itself.
          Such blocks are arranged so closely that even for minor repairs, and, sometimes, maintenance is necessary to remove it from the tank.
          A serious military conflict, not with the Papuans, but with a strong adversary is characterized by the fact that fuel, ammunition, spare parts, maintenance and repair equipment, even food and water become scarce. For a strong adversary makes every effort to make it so.
          That is, to put it more simply, in 72-ke a qualified crew can, with minimal maintenance and repair tools, restore the car in some cases without pulling out all the guts. In cases with quick-detachable power blocks this is very problematic. Need a crane, more powerful than a manual hoist, need a spare unit, what if They are not herethen all the benefits go away on no.
          This is most likely the reason for the "conservatism" of the designers of the 72nd.
          The solution, most likely, is to triumph the law on unity and the struggle of contradictions: both the engine is easy to remove and maintain maintainability in the field.
          1. Professor
            Professor 16 June 2016 14: 21
            +1
            Quote: Alekseev
            Unfortunately, he presses more on the theoretical-visual part, but in practice there are some clarifications. And very significant.

            I’m never a tanker and pretend. hi

            Quote: Alekseev
            We need a crane, more powerful than a manual hoist, a spare unit is needed, and if they are not there, then all the advantages will disappear.

            These cranes are like uncut dogs. On "each" ZiL stand. If you can change the power plant, even if not within minutes, but even an hour (like the French), then this gives an undeniable advantage in the combat readiness of the tank.



            1. Alekseev
              Alekseev 16 June 2016 15: 09
              +2
              Quote: Professor
              These cranes are like uncut dogs. On "each" ZiL stand. If you can change the power plant, even if not within minutes,

              On each Zile-131 they do not stand (on the PARMs, etc.), and the lifting capacity of the crane-arrow is two-legged (so scientifically smile ) 1500 kg. For the whole block will not be enough. And Zil himself is already becoming an anachronism.
              But, I agree, this is not a deficit. You can supply troops. Especially in peacetime. True, not unknown perdyukov with comrades and repair bodies in the army dispersed. Where are cranes ranked now? wink
              Nevertheless, this is not a jack, and not a puller of any kind, but a rather complicated device.
              At the same time, no one criticizes the idea itself. Yes, of course, the tank engine should be removed and installed quickly, in an hour or two.
              But there must also be a backup option - the ability to repair certain components and assemblies without without completely dismantling the power plant.
              But the best is the enemy of the good. An option may happen: in order to tighten a bolt or nut, replace the pipeline, you need to remove the power unit assembly.
              1. Monarchist
                Monarchist 16 June 2016 18: 09
                0
                "... in order to tighten a bolt or nut, replace the pipeline, you need to remove the power unit ..." in my opinion this is the end for the crew and the vehicle. Even in peaceful conditions, somewhere in the mountains on the march, the nut opened and
        4. Monarchist
          Monarchist 16 June 2016 17: 53
          -2
          Correctly say: than unreliable automatic transmission is better than a mechanic
      2. Idiot
        Idiot 19 June 2016 12: 17
        0
        Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
        The Hans, by the way, back in 1943, had air conditioners in some tigers, had a steering wheel instead of levers. Well, for reference.


        And it really helped the Hans? So, for reference.
    2. marshes
      marshes 16 June 2016 08: 30
      0
      Quote: Kostya Andreev
      Somehow I do not trust the machine, especially on the tank. According to experience, 2 speed was knocked out on my car, so I rode switching from 1 to 3,

      What kind of car? 2 speed on automatic transmission? Winter mode?
      And so the machines are reliable, once the problem was on the Lech RX 300, it became too "pensive". Well, the car passed over 200 t.km, but in general the machine and the engine were not for that body, it was heavy, because the donor Camry is 30 ka, Lech 330 is native.
      1. tundra
        tundra 16 June 2016 09: 09
        -2
        Cars on cars are wiring for lazy people and ignoramus (for money), laughing On heavy equipment, this is a specific helper and a carrier and fur water.
        1. marshes
          marshes 16 June 2016 09: 16
          +4
          Quote: tundra
          Auto on cars is a wiring for lazy people and an ignoramus (for money), On heavy equipment this is a specific assistant and a driver and fur water.

          Well, what can I say about lazy people smile In my city at rush hour there are quite serious traffic jams that it would take about 1.5 hours to get to work if earlier in the 2000s 30-45 minutes took. But in 1996, I got in 21 minutes.
          If money offers comfort, then I will choose comfort. smile
          1. Monarchist
            Monarchist 16 June 2016 18: 11
            -3
            Have you forgotten safety?
            1. marshes
              marshes 16 June 2016 18: 22
              0
              Quote: Monarchist
              Have you forgotten safety?

              Now, to move around the city instead of the Honda chopper, I’m thinking about acquiring the Uzbek DEO MATIS, it’s scary and scary on the moto, Truck or something else will leave a bloody stain.
              It’s convenient to park, heat and rain on the side. And there is an automatic transmission.
              This is instead of a motik or a bicycle to a bakery for bread. laughing
              And so seriously, there is another car.
              Another option is an expensive jeep, they shy away from you, give way. Trouble, eats a lot and parking again. Repair is more expensive, well, you're on ... laughing For this, in trinics with elongated knees and with a purse under your arm and in an expensive boutique or cookery ... laughing
        2. midivan
          midivan 16 June 2016 12: 19
          +5
          Quote: tundra
          Cars on cars are wiring for lazy people and ignoramus (for money), laughing On heavy equipment, this is a specific helper and a carrier and fur water.

          smile yeah, come to Moscow preferably at rush hour, and then I will listen to the wiring bill laughing Have you ever had to drive 5 km for three hours and at the same time stop through a meter and a half? I’ll tell you from personal experience that I worked on the ZIL-130 and drove grain from combines (I think there is no need to explain what grain harvesting is), so in Moscow the Toyota Land Cruiser 105 (mechanics) was tired more than on the ZIL in strada laughing Z. If you don’t like the machine, you just don’t know how to cook it, but seriously, in my opinion, minus the machine, in extreme situations it is not possible to work as a box, a GT (hydro-transformer) will eat those fractions of a second that often turn out to be decisive.
        3. tundra
          tundra 16 June 2016 15: 49
          +1
          Quote: tundra
          This is the wiring for lazy people and the ignoramus (for money)

          So minus gotten busy, apparently from an ignoramus like my former changer.
          Came swearing, they say bk shows clutch overheating.
          And I have never looked at the operating instructions or even called.
          Automatic transmission starts immediately with the third one, and with a good load or on heavy soil when starting off, you must lower the gear manually to the first or second, and it can be easily shaken when slipping.
          It is only necessary to learn the material part and include the brains.
          And everything works out perfectly.
          1. marshes
            marshes 16 June 2016 16: 11
            +1
            Quote: tundra
            So minus gotten busy, apparently from an ignoramus like my former changer.

            Yes, I am by the rules.
            Quote: tundra
            Automatic transmission starts immediately with the third one, and with a good load or on heavy soil when starting off, you must lower the gear manually to the first or second, and it can be easily shaken when slipping.

            53 with 2 speeds it’s moving, manual transmission, 131 seem to be still in 92 on the right handed over.
      2. Vadim237
        Vadim237 16 June 2016 10: 27
        +1
        Lex is equipped with an U760 automatic transmission, a constant illness after 100000 km, the bearing cage begins to rotate in the housing - in fact, sawing, this dust gets into the valve body solenoids - the gears shift for a while, and then the automatic transmission falls into an accident - you are lucky that after 200000 she's still going.
        1. marshes
          marshes 16 June 2016 11: 44
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          Lex is equipped with an U760 automatic transmission, a constant illness after 100000 km, the bearing cage begins to rotate in the housing - in fact, sawing, this dust gets into the valve body solenoids - the gears shift for a while, and then the automatic transmission falls into an accident - you are lucky that after 200000 she's still going.

          He took mileage for 150 tons there, it was cheap. The previous owner played in silence, although he knew that the box was designed for 100. In the Region of 200 tons, he had already gone to Bishkek, there, spare parts and repairs to the vehicle were half cheaper. What he did and took off.
    3. tundra
      tundra 16 June 2016 09: 01
      +1
      Do not confuse automatic transmission of passenger cars and trucks.
      Many commercial cars have heavy trucks
      and perfectly exploited, even on dump trucks.
      T e there the box is ordinary, but the shift drive
      automatic gear, something like that.
      For example, not Amer’s cargoes, the car easily changes to manual (poker) control, without changing the box, only the drive is changed.
      1. pimen
        pimen 16 June 2016 09: 43
        +1
        apparently there is a robot there, it is based on a conventional gearbox. Automatic is different and more complicated. In my opinion, they said about the t-90 that there was a robot. Then on the t-72 - he
        1. Freem2012
          Freem2012 16 June 2016 20: 41
          +1
          That's right - the robot. It is called the automatic gear shift. Those. to the planetary gearbox added servos and an ECU which is responsible for choosing the moment of switching.
      2. Kostya Andreev
        Kostya Andreev 16 June 2016 09: 45
        0
        Do not confuse the box on the car and on the tank. the tank works in more difficult conditions. If it breaks down in the car then hre.n with it. And in the tank, a broken gearbox could mean the death of the crew. In my opinion, there are no advantages other than convenience, which, in principle, can be seen from the comments of respected commentators.
        1. midivan
          midivan 16 June 2016 12: 36
          +3
          Quote: Kostya Andreev
          Do not confuse the box on the car and on the tank. the tank works in more difficult conditions.

          do not confuse quality and extras smile according to personal observations, since about 2005, auto manufacturers have scored on quality and switched to fishing money, all without exception, and when buying a new car you can count on driving without bunts 60 thousand, and then spit on your fingers or sell
          1. marshes
            marshes 16 June 2016 13: 53
            +2
            Quote: midivan
            do not confuse quality and extras according to personal observations since about 2005, auto manufacturers scored on quality and switched to fishing money, without exception, and when buying a new car, you can count on driving without bunts for 60 thousand, and then spit on your fingers or sell

            I agree with you on 100500, I got to Skoda Fabia and Folz Passat, the Japanese are even more menny but there is no such quality as before 2000.
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    5. boris-1230
      boris-1230 16 June 2016 13: 51
      +4
      Somehow I do not trust the machine, especially on the tank.

      Respected! This is not a "pure" automatic machine, but a robotic attachment for switching to mechanics. The reliability is high, the cost is low. Now they put on such cars. hi
  3. Nix1986
    Nix1986 16 June 2016 07: 06
    +6
    It's high time to fix the "jamb" with undressing many parts of the armor from dz and it would be good.
  4. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 16 June 2016 07: 18
    +2
    A unification on spare parts was also thought up not bad, at the same time the machine will be rolled around in bulk.
    1. denvar555
      denvar555 16 June 2016 07: 58
      0
      The main thing is that reliability does not disappoint and there is the possibility of repairing it even with the help of forces and means of repair parts, and not in the conditions of the manufacturer.
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 16 June 2016 09: 08
        +1
        Let’s say, the technique becomes more efficient, but at the same time it’s more complicated, therefore, in the repair drive there should be a newer tool than grandfather scrap and the master himself should be more skilled. Then there will be nirvana.
      2. Monarchist
        Monarchist 16 June 2016 18: 16
        0
        Right said
  5. Hey
    Hey 16 June 2016 08: 19
    0
    This winter, I watched as my friend, on a car with an automatic transmission, in ice, crawled in front of a small obstacle. Well, it does not inspire me with an automaton of trust. Although in this case, there is one caveat - the possibility of manual control. I think so for extraordinary conditions, when the machine is needed and can be turned off.
    1. Nix1986
      Nix1986 16 June 2016 08: 24
      +3
      I don’t know, I have an automatic machine, Quattro all-wheel drive and spikes, and I didn’t crawl even on the rise on ice, maybe it's still a car ?! laughing
      1. marshes
        marshes 16 June 2016 08: 51
        +3
        Quote: Nix1986
        I don’t know, I have an automatic machine, Quattro all-wheel drive and spikes, and I didn’t crawl even on the rise on ice, maybe it's still a car?

        In the gasket between the seat and the steering wheel.
        1. Monarchist
          Monarchist 16 June 2016 18: 17
          0
          That's right if an unwise person is driving ...
      2. midivan
        midivan 16 June 2016 12: 45
        +1
        Quote: Nix1986
        I don’t know, I have an automatic machine, Quattro all-wheel drive and spikes, and I didn’t crawl even on the rise on ice, maybe it's still a car ?! laughing

        Lord of the Rings? wink
        1. marshes
          marshes 16 June 2016 14: 00
          0
          Quote: midivan
          Lord of the Rings?

          At AUDI think? Their quattro series or now Q,
          I have 100 C 4 2.8 had front-wheel drive, the queen of the motorway especially between cities. In the city, the cow is not agile.
    2. midivan
      midivan 16 June 2016 12: 44
      +4
      Quote: MUD
      This winter, I watched as my friend, on a car with an automatic transmission, in ice, crawled in front of a small obstacle.

      tell a friend that even the ancient machines have a function of forced transmission. denoted as 1,2,3 laughing you choose what is "closer" to you, ice, mud, slide, 2nd gear, and you won't have to crawl, well, as already said Nix1986, tires can be winter and even have spikes laughing my beloved gelding is old, but as you know it’s rear-wheel drive (not to be confused with pederasts) I’ve never had to push laughing)
  6. R-22
    R-22 16 June 2016 08: 36
    +3
    A well-designed and well-made thing will not break, the machine in this case is a wonderful thing, the repair will mostly be with the replacement of large units, I don’t think it will be so easy for repairmen to repair mechanics in the fields, the broken unit will also be changed and all business will be changed. And in another case of hostilities, it will probably be easier to train driver mechanics on the machine
  7. hunt1
    hunt1 16 June 2016 10: 09
    0
    reasonable decision: to put in a new box similar to the t-14 so that the driver will get used to it and when the serial t-14s go, there will be much less problems with training or retraining, and it’s useful to break through it.
    1. pimen
      pimen 16 June 2016 10: 15
      0
      most likely, it will not fit into the engine compartment of the t-72, neither separately nor together with the armature engine
  8. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 16 June 2016 10: 11
    +1
    Quote: tundra
    On heavy equipment, this is a specific helper and a carrier and fur water.

    An assault rifle is a good thing, of course, but you should not compare a tank on a battlefield with a car, even a heavy one - loads change very often and almost instantly. I am far from the idea that the designers did not calculate the critical dynamic loads on the machine, but the worm of doubt about the rationality of the solution is gnawing. Maybe I just think flat, but ...
    1. tundra
      tundra 16 June 2016 15: 30
      +1
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Maybe I just think flat, but ...

      Yes, they also gnaw at me. Well, again, the designer thought the same.
      Again, I think that maybe it’s not right, the gearbox and the clutch are about the same, but the switching drive is already automatic.
      Again, if an automatic machine thinks about more loads, then you push it in one direction or another with a slight movement of your fingers and do not make several movements, I think it will be easier in a stress situation.
      This is purely my opinion is not a tanker, it is necessary to ask the pros of mechanical drivers who have tried this and that.
      1. pimen
        pimen 16 June 2016 16: 17
        0
        minus all the machines (both the robot and the GMF) - they make a very, very many unnecessary (unnecessary) switchings when resetting the speed (and when typing too), they are stupid, buggy.
        plus - quite cleanly and stably switch for themselves and for the engine, make life easier in traffic jams
        1. tundra
          tundra 16 June 2016 17: 54
          +2
          Quote: pimen
          minus all the machines (both the robot and the GMF) - they make a very, very many unnecessary (unnecessary) switchings when resetting the speed (and when typing too), they are stupid, buggy.

          And again, everything rests on the knowledge of the material part,
          all this is treated, it is necessary that the machine (robot) works as you need and not vice versa. There are many options (incentive saving
          fuel), and decent. If you stupidly press the pedal, then he (the robot) will drive you into such an expense.
          And I also saw in YouTube how a warrant officer teaches young furs of waters
          turned on the back and hold on the clutch and once so back.
          It was a matter of falling asleep man-made failure on the Yamal 17 m
          you approach the edge, put on the handbrake, turn on the 1st lowered one, hold it on the clutch, start lifting the body and see how slowly the soil slowly mixes from the center of gravity
          begins to crumble.
          , the right hand on the handbrake is the foot on the clutch and so it begins to treacherously tremble.
          And if they shoot at you in the tank, not everyone’s nerves can stand it, threw abruptly the clutch, too much, stalled and minced if the enemy is not inexplicable.
          On the robot, you can use your foot to hold the brake (left) and use the right brake to keep the revs. He has applied the brake. He will not go anywhere and will go back.
          I’ll make a reservation, this is from the experience of heavy trucks, I need to ask tankers about tanks.
  9. snc
    snc 16 June 2016 10: 12
    +3
    In a stressful situation under fire, the machine will avoid errors to the driver and can thereby save the car and crew.
    Well, according to the modernization itself, everything was painted here for a long time.
  10. Kenneth
    Kenneth 16 June 2016 10: 19
    +1
    Another hinged roof and leather upholstery. Although it would be better if they put a new DZ, otherwise the Jewels divorced.
  11. Alexander War
    Alexander War 16 June 2016 10: 24
    +1
    The upgraded T-72B4 tank needs 1 engine, as the article says 2 dynamic Relic protection on a T-90 MC with side screens 3 remote-controlled large-caliber machine gun 12,7 mm 4 turret like a T-90 welded 5 new Curtain like a T- 90MS
    1. cosmos111
      cosmos111 16 June 2016 22: 07
      0
      Quote: Alexander War
      and 3 remotely controlled heavy machine gun 12,7mm 4 tower

      Better than 2.
  12. Alexander War
    Alexander War 16 June 2016 10: 27
    +1
    By the way, on the T-72B3M Tank, the sight of the commander of Hawkeye is here
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 16 June 2016 12: 27
      +2
      Is this an export option for an hour?
      1. Alexander War
        Alexander War 16 June 2016 13: 06
        +1
        Yes this export
  13. bad
    bad 16 June 2016 14: 50
    +1
    involves the use of a new automated gearbox
    ..I think the mechanics will say thank you, and the repairmen will swear for a long time .. at the great and mighty .. laughing
  14. tundra
    tundra 16 June 2016 15: 17
    +1
    Quote: marshes
    Well, what can I say about lazy people

    YES I myself am from lazy people, I go by MAN THX automatic machine, so you can’t imagine a better way through the Moscow Ring Road laughing
    And anyway, if you pass by 600-800 km during daylight hours, then you can’t imagine anything better than an automatic transmission.
    1. marshes
      marshes 16 June 2016 15: 37
      0
      Quote: tundra
      YES I myself am from lazy people, I go by MAN THX automatic machine, so you can’t imagine a better way through the Moscow Ring Road
      And anyway, if you pass by 600-800 km during daylight hours, then you can’t imagine anything better than an automatic transmission.

      I have extreme, RAF-4 automatic transmission 14 y. Yes Skoda Fabia station wagon manual transmission, on the farm. Previously, there were more cars, one of the directions used cars was from Germany, the United Arab Emirates, the USA and ... to the vehicle, now "scrap metal" meal of Germany.
  15. marshes
    marshes 16 June 2016 15: 30
    0
    I heard that our T-72s will be converted from UVZ to T-72B3, I wonder how much it costs for a car.
  16. Hammer
    Hammer 16 June 2016 15: 53
    -1
    Quote: Yuri from Volgograd
    The Hans, by the way, back in 1943, had air conditioners in some tigers, had a steering wheel instead of levers. Well, for reference

    Did it help them?
  17. tundra
    tundra 16 June 2016 16: 04
    +1
    Quote: midivan
    yeah come to Moscow preferably at rush hour,

    And I already wrote about the MKAD and ABP automatic transmission.
    I meant wiring that it hurts the price for them.
    I myself work on automatic transmission on a regular car, and I had to work on a quarry with automatic transmission.
    And I myself am in this sense from lazy people. You put a plus, well, the mat part is still taught.
    Here the above was a picture of an automatic transmission. Well, this is for a passenger car; more loads have a regular gearbox and clutch and shift, with increasing speed, the pneumatic pressure changes.
    If simplified, then instead of a hand and a poker, pneumatics work.
  18. proud
    proud 16 June 2016 16: 08
    +2
    I recently read here how the Russian government supplied T-72 b1 tanks to Nicaragua in winter and with what equipment, so I already had a tear: there was a remote machine gun, and a round-the-clock panoramic view of "Falcon Eye", and "Pine-2" and many what else, in short, the Russian Vanka can only dream of this, and the Latinos will already use it! And what a shame-Human over the hill, but not all lekvid to myself! Eh, under the Great Union, everything was exactly the opposite, the lives of tankers were at least a little appreciated, but now they are fucking Liberators!
    1. marshes
      marshes 16 June 2016 16: 16
      +1
      Your matrices and lenses for thermal imagers will be bought from us for tank sights.
    2. Raven
      Raven 16 June 2016 16: 22
      0
      but let me read too, give a reference - we’ll cry together ... recourse
  19. marshes
    marshes 16 June 2016 16: 25
    0
    In short, the most terrible jamb in the automatic transmission, you won’t start from the pusher.
    I got on fishing and hunting and on the road, the brushes got on the starter. As a rule, cars were bought not long ago and there was no desire to climb.
    This happened to my friends and relatives. smile
    Himself in an escort fell, 300 meters from the house, drowned out-shop-silence. After that, first of all I climb and check the brushes on the starter.
    1. pimen
      pimen 16 June 2016 16: 34
      +2
      not quite so. The robot will start from the first - it won’t drive on slippery surfaces, the machine must be accelerated to 30-40, the chain tensioner does not like sharp jerks even on the mechanics (the chain may jump)
      1. marshes
        marshes 16 June 2016 16: 47
        0
        Quote: pimen
        not quite so. The robot will start from the first - it won’t drive on slippery surfaces, the machine must be accelerated to 30-40, the chain tensioner does not like sharp jerks even on the mechanics (the chain may jump)

        Damn where to disperse it, and rather rather by whom ... smile
        Theoretically, it is possible, but how, the more so for foreign cars and now other cars, you won’t use the curve.
        Only hang the wheels on the rack jack ... and so on. laughing
        In short, graphite brushes and the battery must be monitored.
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 16 June 2016 18: 41
          +1
          Mechanism in Abrams M1A1.
        2. cosmos111
          cosmos111 16 June 2016 18: 44
          +1
          Merkava Mk 2.
        3. cosmos111
          cosmos111 16 June 2016 18: 45
          +2
          Merkava Mk 3.
  20. cosmos111
    cosmos111 16 June 2016 18: 37
    +1
    The driver’s place on - Leopard 2A6.
  21. Monarchist
    Monarchist 9 October 2016 09: 04
    0
    It would be better to buy T90, otherwise they are trying to modernize the "Ural" to make ersatz "Vladimir". All ersatz are always worse than the original
  22. astronom1973n
    astronom1973n 15 November 2016 08: 14
    0
    Quote: pft, fkb
    Quote: Professor
    Not an assignee. The USSR had 15 successors, for that matter.


    And why then 15 legal successors did not pay the debts of the USSR?

    And because our state Russia lives according to the principle “give yours to your uncle, and you ...!” And the results are such that all “great” “fraternal” peoples consider themselves robbed and tamed by our state. We are the only ones who owe everyone's debts. And as for the tank, why bother with the old machine gun? We need to develop new models and move on to unification and create a single tank, otherwise 80-ku, 72-ku should be modernized again ... Then it turns out that in vain they did everything, but there is not enough money for new samples.