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"Kommersant": Russia will allow India to the construction technologies "Varshavyanok"

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Russia is ready to share with India the technology for the construction of the Varshavyanka diesel-electric submarine (project 636), but a decision has not yet been made on which shipyard will establish licensed production of submarines - at Pipavav or Larsen & Toubro, reports Kommersant with reference to a source in the industry.




“For India, the issue of modernization of underwater fleet Fundamental: over the past 15 years, the country's Navy has not received a single new diesel-electric submarine. The main geopolitical rival of India - Pakistan - has already ordered eight of the latest non-nuclear submarines from China, ”the newspaper notes.

In early June, Rostec CEO Sergey Chemezov told Kommersant-Vlast correspondent:
“Now we are agreeing that they will, at the first stage, repair the previously acquired submarines, they will be assisted by specialists from the Zvezdochka shipbuilding center. After the joint venture USC (United Shipbuilding Corporation), Rosoboronexport and the Indian shipyard will begin the construction of submarines: first a large assembly, and later localization.


In USC, as in Rosoboronexport, they refused to give more detailed comments, citing closeness of information.

According to the source, “until recently, the possibility of supplying two 636 submarines to India was discussed, but as a result, the Indian military decided not to buy ready-made submarines, but to deploy their licensed building at home.”

According to him, not so long ago "the request of the Indian side for the possibility of technology transfer with the localization of production in India" came to the departments and organizations involved in arms exports.

The interlocutor also said that “the negotiations are conducted in the gov-to-gov format (that is, directly between the governments of Russia and India), which emphasizes the special status of relations between Moscow and Delhi.”
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Sergey Garbowski / Kommersant
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  1. Wolka
    Wolka 15 June 2016 12: 58
    +20
    I do not approve ...
    1. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 15 June 2016 13: 22
      +21
      Quote: Volka
      I do not approve ..
      Justify! "Varshavyanka" is no longer a new project, but we need to develop more modern diesel-electric submarines with an anaerobic power plant and start up production. Indian money will not be superfluous if they go to this business .. Or do you prefer that the Indians with the Germans, the French or the same Chinese on the issue of new submarines? Don't be a dog in the manger.
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 15 June 2016 13: 24
        +9
        "Kommersant": Russia will allow India to the construction technologies "Varshavyanok"

        Clear.
        And India will allow us something in return?
        1. drundel861
          drundel861 15 June 2016 13: 46
          +4
          It is very interesting, what kind of Indian technology do you want access to it? what
          1. cniza
            cniza 15 June 2016 14: 13
            +10
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Quote: Volka
            I do not approve ..
            Justify! "Varshavyanka" is no longer a new project, but we need to develop more modern diesel-electric submarines with an anaerobic power plant and start up production. Indian money will not be superfluous if they go to this business .. Or do you prefer that the Indians with the Germans, the French or the same Chinese on the issue of new submarines? Don't be a dog in the manger.


            Better with us and we already have projects with them in the field of rocket science ... possible if carefully.
          2. Pinkie F.
            Pinkie F. 15 June 2016 17: 40
            0
            Quote: drundel861
            It is very interesting, what kind of Indian technology do you want access to it?

            well, to those that the Jews shared with them))
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 15 June 2016 22: 44
              0
              Quote: Pinky F.
              well, to those that the Jews shared with them))

              We have long known about these from the Jews themselves smile
              It may be advisable to directly share with the Jews what thread to exchange in exchange for adequate and necessary technologies for us? Not for nothing is Netanyahu so often in Moscow and Sochi!
              And after that, it is quite possible that the Jews will send butterflies to graze Lockheed Martin and switch to adapting the Su-35 for themselves, which, thanks to the original concept on the "pole", spit both the F-22 and the F-35, and after a while the T-50? ??
              Here is an interesting offer for our Moscow Region, Rosoboronexport and the President good And in return we will naturally get another ally in a serious geopolitical point in the world. My opinion, as an option request
          3. GSH-18
            GSH-18 15 June 2016 20: 55
            +1
            Quote: drundel861
            It is very interesting, what kind of Indian technology do you want access to it? what

            My question is broad sense. India, at a minimum, should give us something equivalent in return. It is not necessary. Otherwise, we give out gifts free and pointless request
            And then another questionWhat for?
          4. alexmach
            alexmach 16 June 2016 09: 37
            +1
            It is very interesting, what Indian technology do you want access to it? what


            To the production of element base for example?
        2. rotmistr60
          rotmistr60 15 June 2016 14: 02
          +15
          And India will allow us something in return?

          For tea.
        3. NEXUS
          NEXUS 15 June 2016 14: 21
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          And India will allow us something in return?

          BraMos project .. I am sure that we have full access to this project.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 15 June 2016 21: 01
            +1
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: GSH-18
            And India will allow us something in return?

            BraMos project .. I am sure that we have full access to this project.

            BrahMos? This is an export version of the P-1000 rocket developed by us, which is adapted for the Indian Army, and naturally has truncated characteristics compared to the original. For India, again, the benefit is the localization of production and the free transfer of rocket technology from Russia.
            True, they bought T-90s from us ... And because of this they are forced to buy "smart" shells for them for a pretty big money! But even here they are pushing, transfer the technology (license), help build the plant! request
            Where are our acquisitions?
            1. alexmach
              alexmach 15 June 2016 23: 00
              +1
              P-1000

              This is actually the Volcanoes that stand on Moscow.
              Onyx is the P-800
              1. GSH-18
                GSH-18 15 June 2016 23: 14
                0
                Quote: alexmach
                P-1000

                This is actually the Volcanoes that stand on Moscow.
                Onyx is the P-800

                P-1000s have long been installed on "Moscow". For this reason, the American 6th Fleet runs from it all over the Mediterranean, keeping a distance of 900-1000km.
                Sometimes, with the "aggressive antics" of Moscow, the Americans evacuate even their own Aircraft Carriers from the water area. yes
                Onyxes are modernized BraMos, plus some technologies from the P-1000.
              2. GSH-18
                GSH-18 15 June 2016 23: 20
                +1
                Quote: alexmach
                P-1000

                This is actually the Volcanoes that stand on Moscow.
                Onyx is the P-800

                Exactly yes
        4. Simple
          Simple 15 June 2016 16: 24
          +4
          Electronics (they have a brand new IBM factory):
          Even on some Russian SU-30 there are Russified Indian processors

          IT: Banglor is outsourcing half the world
          Communication: micromax and company
          Agriculture (the Israelis taught them a lot). For milk, they are kind of advanced.
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 15 June 2016 21: 08
            0
            Quote: Just
            Even on some Russian SU-30 there are Russified Indian processors

            My friend, processors cannot be Russified, this is not software, they work on a digital code. Processors are designed for maximum performance at a minimum size, and the military still have specific various protection at the hardware level. You can write control programs, the interface of which will display the Cyrillic alphabet. But this is already a matter of software and programmers.
            1. Simple
              Simple 16 June 2016 21: 47
              +1
              Quote: GSH-18
              Man, processors cannot be Russified

              Man .... You just do not know:
              but). everyday life
              Russification of the TOYOTA LAND CRUISER 200, LEXUS LX570 DEVICE PANEL WITH MB90F394H PROCESSOR

              Russification of the instrument panel LC200 LX570 is carried out by programming the Fujitsu processor (on the instrument panel board) using the in-circuit method. In some cases, the MB90F394H processors are not sewn (disposable from the factory) and it is necessary to have an empty processor. Included are dumps, programming software and instructions for flashing the processor using an RX TX connection using a regular UART adapter.
              b) Chinese ASIC-processors HiSilicon Hi3520 Isho how to "Russify"
              Quote: GSH-18
              they work on a digital code. Processors design for maximum performance with minimum size

              An example program in ASM-51 language for the AT89S52 microcontroller:
              mov SCON, #50h
              mov TH1, #0FDh
              orl TMOD, #20h
              setb TR1
              again:
              clr RI
              jnb RI, $
              mov A, SBUF
              jnb RI, $
              clr TI
              mov SBUF, A
              jnb TI, $
              sjmp again

              well, and the "little things" for programming the process


              Quote: GSH-18
              and the military still have a variety of specific protection at the "iron" level.

              and where does the "protection" if it is a government contract between India and the Russian Federation?
              hi
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        7. Agent_017
          Agent_017 15 June 2016 19: 49
          +1
          Yes, of course .. They can teach us the technology of collecting bananas directly from palm trees .. Well, or making a secret fuel briquette from poop elephants and hippos. Perhaps they can provide technology for creating compassionate films and songs .. Or maybe they can even reveal the secrets of why the Indian shop is so popular in Russia ..
          1. GSH-18
            GSH-18 15 June 2016 21: 15
            +2
            Quote: Agent_017
            Well, or making a secret fuel briquette of poop elephants and hippos.

            Well, why so? India, like China, is geopolitically important to us. That is, for this reason, the Americans cannot crush India under themselves. Well, here various options for our acquisitions begin, starting from pharmaceutical technologies and ending with the Russian Navy Base (if necessary) in the Indian Ocean ... as an option yes
      2. lelikas
        lelikas 15 June 2016 13: 51
        +3
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        "Varshavyanka" is no longer a new project,

        I strongly agree laughing It’s time to free up capacities under something new, with a car name, and getting money for a license and technical documentation is much better than nothing.
        In addition, their first sidekicks from Pakistan, too, do not sit still.
      3. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 15 June 2016 13: 54
        +1
        I agree, and the money will not hurt, and our shipyards will be free to support their fleet.
      4. chuma_velikiy
        chuma_velikiy 15 June 2016 14: 20
        0
        I fully support! Recall the example of an SU-30 airplane, still excellent !!!
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      6. midivan
        midivan 15 June 2016 14: 48
        +3
        I fully support Volka, but I won’t get away from your logic and still I am very jealous of such projects repeat and seem to have found the answer and justification lol
      7. Fregate
        Fregate 15 June 2016 15: 13
        0
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Indian money will not be superfluous if they go into this business .. Or do you prefer the Indians with the Germans, French or by the same Chinese on the subject of new submarines encountered?

        China with India in the military sphere? That you got excited. The rest I agree.
        1. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 15 June 2016 16: 26
          +1
          Quote: Fregate
          China with India in the military sphere? That you got excited.

          Heh-heh-heh ... Vietnam and the United States also thought so - and now the Vietnamese are considering buying Orions from the Yankees.
          1. Agent_017
            Agent_017 15 June 2016 19: 57
            0
            They, the Vietnamese, after such an exodus generally havno .. Russia saved them from destruction. And now they are considering the purchase of the Orions. THANKS for your gratitude, comrades Vietnamese .. You can see a few aluminum pans and pans you took out of the USSR, I myself saw you pouring dishes from the shops .. Buy nuclear bombs from the Americans and jerk under your ass ..
            1. Alexey RA
              Alexey RA 16 June 2016 10: 02
              +1
              Quote: Agent_017
              They, the Vietnamese, after such an exodus, generally havno .. Russia saved them from extermination. And now they are considering the purchase of the Orions.

              But what should Vietnam do if we have nothing to sell in this niche? Well, the Russian Federation can’t quickly put 6 patrolmen with a new avionics - for our native Navy we’ve made 5 cars, EMNIP, 4 years. And most importantly - the bins of the motherland are by no means bottomless. We haven’t done any analogs of the IL-38 on the new base, and only 38 of the old IL-65 were built in the USSR. So the available IL-38 may not be enough for ourselves.

              And if the Russian Federation can not offer anything, then Vietnam is forced to turn to those who sell him the necessary equipment.
      8. Maxom75
        Maxom75 15 June 2016 17: 27
        0
        So they begin to create their own design school. Do we need competitors in the future? And this is the most popular project for sale for export. Suggests ((
      9. alexmach
        alexmach 15 June 2016 22: 57
        0
        and we need to develop more advanced diesel-electric submarines with an anaerobic power plant


        With anaerobic, it is in my opinion not diesel-electric submarines. The question is, is it necessary? Why do we need them? We have atomic, proven technologies for their construction. Varshavyanka also seems to have its own niche. What is the advantage of these anaerobic over a nuclear powered fleet? can you make more of them? Are they noticeable?

        "Varshavyanka" is no longer a new project,

        Yes, but it seems that they are building 12 new ships for this project.

        Do not be a dog in the manger.

        Actually, yes, here you are definitely right. But is it possible for advanced technologies to build at least something at our shipyards? There is no place? So is Komsomolsk-on-Amur, is it possible there to restore production under an export order? And if you add at least one of those boats that are being built for the Pacific Fleet to the import order? Or maybe the Vietnamese will buy some more boats?
    2. Winnie76
      Winnie76 15 June 2016 13: 35
      +4
      Quote: Volka
      I do not approve ...

      In fact, a "screwdriver assembly" of our components. Reducing the cost of these for ourselves, the salary of hard workers, jobs, royalties for the license, additional binding of Indians to our military-industrial complex. Would it be better if they bought from the Germans or the French?
      1. alexmach
        alexmach 16 June 2016 09: 40
        0
        They will localize the assembly at their place, then the production of components, then design and after 10 years, the Indians will release 100% of their own boat, without cooperation with us ... well, this is like a paranoid pissimistic scenario.
    3. SveTok
      SveTok 16 June 2016 10: 17
      0
      Another stupid thing, we don’t value what we have, but having lost weeping.
  2. Prisoner
    Prisoner 15 June 2016 13: 00
    +8
    We do not know how to trade, do not know how. Fight it yes, but the world rests on trade!
    1. drunkram
      drunkram 15 June 2016 13: 06
      0
      Technology transfer is certainly bad, on the other hand, the submarines that they build at their place will be of superhuman quality than if they were built with us.
      And besides, Warsaw’s new technologies are not so direct
    2. Igor39
      Igor39 15 June 2016 13: 07
      0
      The world rests on trade, and war on the production of weapons. Advertising is the engine of trade!
    3. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 15 June 2016 13: 09
      +5
      "there is still no decision on which shipyard will establish licensed production of submarines"

      Until they build a shipyard somewhere in Sri Lanka or the Maldives with hotels for our specialists on an all-inclusive basis - no technology!
      But seriously - something news is not happy.
    4. INVESTOR
      INVESTOR 15 June 2016 13: 15
      +3
      Varshavyanka is no longer a new project, but the link with the maintenance and repair of India is important, otherwise others will occupy this niche. A holy place is never empty.
    5. Agent_017
      Agent_017 15 June 2016 20: 06
      0
      Yes, not all .. The world rests on the stomach and foods. We have two thirds of Russia - the field is not plowed .. Yes, they don’t give the people to plow .. Let's see the idea of ​​giving land and how it will end. They gave man land, but create the farm yourself. You can stick a farm into the ground, but you can’t plow it, you can only get microbes from the dirty soil - staphylococci, chlamydia, etc. Create support, give equipment from the state, advisers - agronomists, livestock specialists, etc. There will be a result. Raise Stalin and ask how to raise the country on a feat ..
  3. Alexey RA
    Alexey RA 15 June 2016 13: 00
    +5
    Standard Indian practice. Hindus have long demanded partial localization of production and technology transfer when purchasing weapons. And then they rake it off from the epic quality of their own manufacturers - as with engines for Sushki.

    EMNIP, a recent Rafaly hack was just because of the demand for technology transfer.
    1. Agent_017
      Agent_017 15 June 2016 20: 10
      0
      Typical Gypsy behavior .. Take a pen, you will have a good life, a way in the family, prosperity without disease .. But if you don’t give it, I won’t take the evil from you. Tsufir-mufir ..
  4. kolkulon
    kolkulon 15 June 2016 13: 06
    +1
    The Chinese are not asking anyone at all asking. There is at least some kind of fat.
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    1. V.ic
      V.ic 15 June 2016 13: 28
      +3
      Quote: sined0707
      We are good to them, and they spit in your back.

      And when did the Indians of Russia spit in the back?
  6. Holsten
    Holsten 15 June 2016 13: 08
    +6
    Quite rightly, based on the precepts of Sun Tzu: you need to arm a country that does not border you and at the same time is a natural rival to your neighbors. And let them all, realizing the unfavorable balance of power for them, live in complete peace and understanding.
  7. edeligor
    edeligor 15 June 2016 13: 08
    +3
    The main geopolitical rival of India - Pakistan - has already ordered eight of the latest non-nuclear submarines from China, "
    You can not give technology !!! Build exclusively at our shipyards! Again, go, the official from the disarmament grabbed his paw ...
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 15 June 2016 14: 23
      +2
      Quote: edeligor
      The main geopolitical rival of India - Pakistan - has already ordered eight of the latest non-nuclear submarines from China, "
      You can not give technology !!! Build exclusively at our shipyards! Again, go, the official from the disarmament grabbed his paw ...

      We have all the shipyards jammed, we don’t have time to rivet ourselves. And India needs them urgently. If we do them with us, it will drag on for many years.
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 15 June 2016 16: 37
      0
      Quote: edeligor
      You can not give technology !!! Build exclusively at our shipyards! Again, go, the official from the disarmament grabbed his paw ...


      Lord ... Immerse yourself in reality ... We do not have enough capacity for our fleet ...

      Absolutely nothing terrible is happening ... At least India is not stupidly copying our equipment, but acquiring licenses, working with our shipbuilders ... In this case, there are more pros than cons ...

      Well, I also understand that we have something better on the way than "Varshavyanka" ...
  8. 76SSSR
    76SSSR 15 June 2016 13: 13
    +3
    To trade with technologies is the last thing, it is necessary to trade in products obtained as a result of using technologies.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 15 June 2016 16: 44
      0
      Quote: 76SSSR
      To trade with technologies is the last thing, it is necessary to trade in products obtained as a result of using technologies.



      Ahem ... What is the use of selling technology licenses for the production of the same Kalash and TT to some countries?
      Their quality remained "little" or "low" satisfactory ...

      The Hindus are tired of renting submarines from us ... Moreover, they drown them, then burn them ...
      Well, let them build !!!
      Let them learn from their mistakes !!! Let something normal "give birth" as a result !!!
      India is not an enemy to us ... And there is no need to throw slogans ...
      Moreover, you all see what Brownian movement takes place when ordering military equipment ... I didn’t have time to fill a niche - it means that I was late, and not for five minutes, but for decades (this is in the most harmless case) ...
  9. Enoch
    Enoch 15 June 2016 13: 18
    0
    Passing secrets through third parties.
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  10. gg.na
    gg.na 15 June 2016 13: 19
    +2
    Something I did not understand humor !!! Haha technology give-give what right and left ?! winked
    1. Muvka
      Muvka 15 June 2016 14: 24
      +1
      Quote: gg.na
      Something I did not understand humor !!! Haha technology give-give what right and left ?! winked

      Give-give? Really?
  11. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 15 June 2016 13: 20
    +5
    Somehow the news is not happy either. Even if you consider that the Indians never knew how to build submarines themselves and would make a faint resemblance, hell would be with him. Their crews will scream SOS if that.
    Excites another: All aspects of the construction of submarines are protected as severely as the space industry or nuclear power plants. And all sorts of scary offices from the windows of buildings that are visible to both Vorkuta and Magadan are doing this here.
    But the Indians in this regard, the situation is even worse than with the construction of boats or engines for DRYERS. That is, in a couple of years, the likely adversary will know 100% what he does not need to know at all. And accordingly, it will begin to build tricks already for our submariners (we go on the same project "Varshavyanka"). Do we need it? So there is nothing, nothing to covet that they were not invented / suffered through abundantly poured valokardin from our designers and then shipbuilders. Sami somehow. And the quality will remain at its best, the crew will then be told "thanks".
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 15 June 2016 15: 16
      +1
      Quote: Corsair0304
      That is, after a couple of years, the likely adversary will 100% know what he doesn’t need at all.

      The project of the early seventies of the last century! What "two or three years? Probable adversary, knows her as a native smile
    2. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 15 June 2016 16: 34
      0
      Quote: Corsair0304
      That is, in a couple of years, the likely adversary will know 100% what he does not need to know at all. And accordingly, it will begin to build tricks already for our submariners (we go on the same project "Varshavyanka") Do we need it?

      In fact, since 1996, four times more Varshavyankas have been built for foreign customers than we currently have in the fleet. So for 100% knowledge, the foe had enough time and samples of technology.
  12. Cucumbers
    Cucumbers 15 June 2016 13: 21
    +1
    India for Russia is a Trojan horse. Do not forget that India is a member of the British Commonwealth. And it purchases weapons not only in Russia.
  13. cap
    cap 15 June 2016 13: 35
    +1
    "According to him, not so long ago," the departments and organizations involved in arms export received a request from the Indian side for the possibility of transferring technologies with the localization of production in India. "

    The interlocutor also said that “negotiations are conducted in the gov-to-gov format (that is, directly between the governments of Russia and India), which emphasizes the special status of relations between Moscow and Delhi”

    We will not lose much, and money will not be superfluous.
  14. V.ic
    V.ic 15 June 2016 13: 35
    0
    “Negotiations are in gov-to-gov format,

    A wonderful phrase when reading in Russian transcription, with the addition of: na / noo.
  15. Pvi1206
    Pvi1206 15 June 2016 13: 38
    +1
    It’s only wise to exchange technologies: give for give.
    It is possible that Russia will receive the production technology of modern microcircuits or something else ...
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 15 June 2016 16: 49
      0
      Quote: Pvi1206
      It is possible that Russia will receive technology for the production of modern microcircuits or something else...


      It’s not worth hoping for IT ...
      Everyone who needs to know that Russia needs the development of its microelectronic industry ...
      And India ... Too complex "partner" ... She behaves rather intelligently in military-technical relations with various countries ...
      I sometimes compare India with Kazakhstan ... Not an enemy to anyone, but not a friend to anyone ...
  16. lopvlad
    lopvlad 15 June 2016 13: 48
    +6
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    "Varshavyanka" is no longer a new project


    the main thing is not the novelty of the project but its relevance. No one will buy a stupid project stupidly, all the more cunningly .. countries like (China, India, Iran).

    Quote: Ami du peuple
    DEPL with anaerobic power plant


    of the new only anaerobic power plant (not requiring oxygen). Stupidly, the boat does not need to float to recharge the batteries.
    Or do you naively believe that every new project is done from scratch using new technologies?
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 15 June 2016 16: 55
      +1
      Quote: lopvlad
      Or do you naively believe that every new project is done from scratch on new technologies?


      We tried it on "Sharks" and got burned ... Although we are still afraid to admit it openly ...

      Normal shipbuilding in the field of submarine construction is no more than 20-25% of innovations, and then this is an outrageous norm ...

      And this is a lengthy process ... And the one who screams that there are more supernova submarines - he was never submerged (by the way, like me) ...

      However, at one time, doctors from the General Staff of the Armed Forces concluded that ergonomics and life support on the BZHRK are 7,8 times worse than on diesel submarines ...

      So, I understand how submariners live ...

      PS It is strange that nothing is being said about the attitude of the Indians to the living conditions on the Varshavyankas ... After all, in many armies and navies recently THIS is almost the most important issue before the effectiveness of combat use ...
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 15 June 2016 20: 04
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        We tried it on "Sharks" and got burned ...

        What have sharks to do with it? Compromise option.
        HERE Lira to the place ..
  17. Taygerus
    Taygerus 15 June 2016 13: 56
    +1
    better let us order than technology shares
  18. max15243
    max15243 15 June 2016 14: 13
    +4
    "Varshavyanka" is an old project, we are building boats of this project because nothing new worthwhile has been invented. "Lada" is not brought to mind. As for technology, the production facilities of the shipyard carry out the production and assembly of the hull, pipe saturation and, in principle, everything. SEU (diesel generator) is supplied ready-made, as well as electronic equipment. Shipbuilding is a cooperation of many design organizations and factories. For the production of a submarine, even at ready-made factories (to produce diesel engines, electronics, etc.), it will be necessary to carry out a deep modernization. If they transfer the entire technological chain, it will be an order for our specialists for many years (they will go on business trips and establish production). But this, in my opinion, is unlikely. Another option is that from our companions the boat will be assembled at an Indian shipyard. Again, at the initial stage, our specialists are indispensable, and subcontractors (manufacturers of power plant, electronics, etc.) do not care where to supply their products (the export version of Varshavyanka has long been worked out). Only the shipyard in the Russian Federation remains at a loss, but I think our defense order will load it for years.
    1. Kudrevkn
      Kudrevkn 15 June 2016 19: 38
      0
      Why didn't they come up with anything worthwhile? And "Losharik"? But kirdyk America. if anything?
      1. dvina71
        dvina71 15 June 2016 20: 05
        0
        Quote: KudrevKN
        And "Losharik"

        Losharik is under the jurisdiction of the FSB .. how is kirdyk?
        1. Kudrevkn
          Kudrevkn 15 June 2016 20: 50
          0
          "Losharik" is "for now" in the department of the GUGI, but "for now"? And his "filling" or "minced meat" "Status - 6" in whose "farm" is located, can you tell me?
  19. alex_V15
    alex_V15 15 June 2016 14: 31
    0
    What did the Indians manage to bargain in return? That is the question!
    And there is a lot to do!
    If one of our "cows" is lost, then it is very, very tasty!
  20. Russki
    Russki 15 June 2016 14: 38
    0
    Strongly against! Have you ever heard that Russia was allowed to some kind of technology? We always feed half of the world and keep our own in the "ass". All are ready to sell and then we receive spits as a token of gratitude.
  21. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 15 June 2016 15: 20
    +2
    Quote: lelikas
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    "Varshavyanka" is no longer a new project,

    I strongly agree laughing It’s time to free up capacities under something new, with a car name, and getting money for a license and technical documentation is much better than nothing.
    .

    Yesterday at VO we discussed the Indonesian request for the purchase of Varshavyankas, today India ... But what about 6 boats in terms of your own plan?
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 15 June 2016 15: 39
      +1
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Yesterday at VO we discussed the Indonesian request for the purchase of Varshavyankas, today India ... But what about 6 boats in terms of your own plan?

      The prime minister said no money! Let's hold on
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 15 June 2016 17: 09
        +1
        Quote: Stirbjorn
        The prime minister said no money! Let's hold on


        Hmm ... And what does IT have to do with it?

        Here, OFFER MONEY ...

        And - again - the military-industrial complex will pay profits tax to the budget ... Another question is whether the prime minister and the Duma will use this money to index pensions ...
  22. Avega
    Avega 15 June 2016 15: 28
    +2
    Quote: Volka
    I do not approve ...

    Why the heck are our promising developments, which took quite a few man hours to just outsource? Let them develop and invest their money in it !!! Moreover, friendship is a relative concept ...
  23. Kaliostro-2410
    Kaliostro-2410 15 June 2016 15: 33
    0
    Of course, why do we need secrets, and then the Americans will drown them in bundles.
  24. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 15 June 2016 15: 46
    +5
    With India, it’s like this now: either share technology, or take off
    from their market.
    They can be understood - they want to learn in order to "catch up and overtake" ...
    But to arms sellers, you want to and are pricked.
    1. Pinkie F.
      Pinkie F. 15 June 2016 17: 48
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      With India, it’s like this now: either share technology, or take off
      from their market.

      Yes, but the GI in the sphere of cooperation doesn’t cherish its principle "will it emerge in Tehran?" I'm not in terms of trololo, don't think. Someone is supervising your technocrats, isn't there? Although this "someone" has already thrown Israel a couple of times, localizing its export ambitions by imposing local threats? Or not? )) After all, the confidential gesheft with the hegemon has already been robbed? Or not yet?
  25. KnightRider
    KnightRider 15 June 2016 17: 49
    +1
    DEPL "Veliky Novgorod" went on sea trials.
    June 14th diesel-electric submarine B-268 "Veliky Novgorod" Project 06363 went for sea trials. DEPL was built by Admiralty Shipyards in St. Petersburg and launched on March 18 this year. This is the fifth submarine of the modernized project, designed for the Black Sea Fleet! In the fall they plan to put into operation. The final, sixth, submarine for the Black Sea Fleet - "Kolpino" - Now it’s being completed afloat and will be commissioned by the end of the year. Next will be a series of six such boats for the Pacific Fleet! Well, we will not be left without export orders: Algeria, Vietnam, Indonesia ...
    As for the sale of a license for the construction of these boats in India, if they so want, please. There are no secrets there, India operates a dozen "Varshavyanka" (877E).
  26. balabol
    balabol 15 June 2016 22: 33
    +1
    Having no data on the terms of the contract, the timing, amount of payments, as well as how income is distributed, to build an assessment is futile. Licenses and technologies are the same product. Why not sell this product if the price is right. With the money you can take a new step in technology. And sell again. It would be super cool to develop your competencies for other people's money.
  27. dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 16 June 2016 01: 09
    0
    Ours will teach Hindu brooms to knit
  28. bad
    bad 17 June 2016 16: 45
    0
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: Volka
    I do not approve ..
    Justify! "Varshavyanka" is no longer a new project, but we need to develop more modern diesel-electric submarines with an anaerobic power plant and start up production. Indian money will not be superfluous if they go to this business .. Or do you prefer that the Indians with the Germans, the French or the same Chinese on the issue of new submarines? Don't be a dog in the manger.

    logical + what