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"Kalashnikov" brought to the civilian market 4 new type of small arms

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Concern "Kalashnikov" opened the sale of 4-s new products for the civilian market, the press service Rosteha.


"Kalashnikov" brought to the civilian market 4 new type of small arms


“Among the new products is the Saiga 12K multipurpose smooth-bore self-loading rifle of the 12 caliber. 033 (compact) - a shortened version of the popular smooth-bore self-loading rifle "Saiga 12" isp. 030. Barrel length "Saiga 12K" isp. 033 is only 320 mm, which provides maneuverability and compactness. The rifle is completed with a convenient folding plastic butt with a rubber damping butt pad, Picatinny slats are installed on the receiver lid and under the barrel, ”the release says.

“To speed up the reloading, the rifle is equipped with an automatic slide lag and a shop shaft. The standard thread on the muzzle allows you to mount modern expansion joints. The gun reliably works with the wide nomenclature of hunting cartridges and will be ideally suited for self-defense and fans of practical firing », - told in a press - service.

The second novelty was the peeled AK-103 (caliber - 7,62х39 mm), which uses a light and noise cartridge. “The use of other ammunition is impossible. This model has the most authentic appearance and weight of combat weapons, at the same time any citizen of the Russian Federation who has reached the age of majority can acquire it, ”the report says.

“We strive to hear our client and to issue regular updates of the model line,” said Vladimir Dmitriev, marketing director for the Kalashnikov concern. “This allows us to remain the recognized leader of the Russian arms market.”

The third and fourth products were modernized rifled carbines "Saiga MK" isp. 030 (caliber - 5,45x39 mm) and "Saiga MK" isp. 033 (caliber - 5,45х39 mm).

"" Saiga MK "isp. The 030 is an upgraded version of the popular Saiga rifled hunting carbine. The design of the carbine introduced a cartridge guide, which ensures reliable operation of the carbine with any type of stores and ammunition, including hunting cartridges with a semi-bullet bullet. "Saiga MK" isp. 030 is equipped with a ten-charge magazine in an elongated body, which has an authentic look of a combat store. The carabiner completely repeats the appearance of the combat samples, is equipped with an aiming bar on the 1000 m, the middle support of the ramrod, and an unseaved muzzle brake-compensator, ”the message says.

As for the "Saigi MK" isp. 033, this is a shortened version of the Saiga MK rifled hunting carbine isp. 030. It is noted that the weapon "has a guide cartridge and is completed with a store in an elongated body that has an authentic look of a combat store."
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  1. Andrey K
    Andrey K 15 June 2016 10: 38
    +18
    "Kalashnikov" brought to the civilian market 4 new type of small arms...
    It can be said simpler: Kalashinikov did not invent anything new and once again released 4 AK-like products. The quality is at the level of the good old AK, the name is earned. This is used. Which, in principle, is not bad.
    The first two samples described are variations on the theme of the smooth-bore "Saiga". The third and fourth are simply the use of AK-74 warehouse stocks (last year they launched civilian barrels chambered for 5,45х39, previously used only in the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs).
    1. Pavel1
      Pavel1 15 June 2016 10: 50
      +4
      I wonder who coined the word SAIGA? There is a word SAIGAK is an atilope of Central Asia. Saiga is for those who K does not pronounce. laughing
      1. i80186
        i80186 15 June 2016 10: 53
        +2
        Quote: Paul1
        I wonder who coined the word SAIGA? There is a word SAIGAK is an atilope of Central Asia. Saiga is for those who K does not pronounce.

        Have you tried reading Wikipedia? laughing
        The first Saiga family carbine appeared in the 70s. The impetus for its creation was the appeal of the first secretary of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of Kazakhstan, D. A. Kunaev, to the Secretary General of the Central Committee of the CPSU, L. I. Brezhnev, with a request to create weapons with which it would be possible to shoot saigas. The fact is that migratory saigas ate and trampled large crops, and the detachments of hunters armed with smooth-bore hunting rifles were not able to fight animals.
        1. Stalker.1977
          Stalker.1977 15 June 2016 11: 07
          +9
          I have Saigu 12 in stock, in my opinion it’s better not for extreme hunting, absolutely trouble-free mechanism, I’m not overjoyed for 8 years.
          1. cap
            cap 15 June 2016 11: 36
            +5
            Quote: Stalker.1977
            I have Saigu 12 in stock, in my opinion it’s better not for extreme hunting, absolutely trouble-free mechanism, I’m not overjoyed for 8 years.


            Saiga 410 from the first issues in service since April 1995
            NO complaints. Thank you to the workers of the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant. hi
            This is for critics.
            1. PHANTOM-AS
              PHANTOM-AS 15 June 2016 11: 46
              +5
              Quote: cap
              Saiga 410 from the first issues in service since April 1995
              NO complaints. Thank you to the workers of the Izhevsk Mechanical Plant.

              I have a similar year and join your statement.

              Shl. Only the shots have risen in price now, and the Barnaul cartridge is absolutely "g"!
            2. Armata
              Armata 15 June 2016 20: 24
              0
              Quote: cap
              Saiga 410 from the first issues in service since April 1995
              Have you tried Magnum on 410? He sticks with 2-3 shots, 12 is much better, I own and am satisfied with 2 for a year. In addition to a short fox terrier, I bought an excellent trunk in 90.
        2. Pavel1
          Pavel1 15 June 2016 12: 23
          0
          Quote: i80186
          Wikipedia tried to read


          Wikipedia is not a reliable and subjective source, so Wikipedia links
          once again for the Tugums SAYGA there is no word, there is the word SAYGAK, especially if it is a carbine (male. genus), what is not clear?
          1. Eragon
            Eragon 15 June 2016 16: 25
            +3
            Quote: Paul1

            Wikipedia is not a reliable and subjective source, so Wikipedia links

            From the "bad manners":
            Saiga (saiga, Saiga tatarica) - artiodactyl animal (highlighted by me)
            Saiga - a river in the Tomsk region, a tributary of the Chulym;
            Saiga - a settlement in the Verkhneketsky district of the Tomsk region;
            Saiga (firearms) - a family of hunting carbines based on a Kalashnikov assault rifle.
            Saiga-12 - self-loading shotgun.
            Saiga, Mitsuki (genus 1973) - Japanese seiyu.
            Choose what
            PS Apparently both saiga and saiga are one and the same.
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      2. Mavrikiy
        Mavrikiy 15 June 2016 10: 58
        +2
        Pavel1 RU Today, 10:50 ↑ New
        I wonder who coined the word SAIGA? There is a word SAIGAK is an atilope of Central Asia. Saiga is for those who K does not pronounce. laughing

        Saiga is a female saiga, didn’t it? Now you know.
        1. Pavel1
          Pavel1 15 June 2016 12: 26
          -8
          Quote: Mavrikiy
          Saiga is a female saiga, didn’t it? Now you know.


          funny, and the female is a wolf-wolf, and an elk-moose, and a hare, a hare, and an eagle-eagle ??? laughing
          such nonsense is not in the traditions of Russian speech.
      3. RUSS
        RUSS 15 June 2016 11: 49
        +3
        Quote: Paul1
        I wonder who coined the word SAIGA?

        Saiga, or saiga (Latin Saiga tatarica; male - saiga or margach, female - saiga) - a cloven-hoofed mammal from the subfamily of real antelopes (although due to the peculiar anatomy it is sometimes referred to as a special subfamily together with the Tibetan antelope).
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      5. drunkram
        drunkram 15 June 2016 13: 14
        0
        Full title SAIGA -12% К, so probably all the same Saigak))
        Here so comrade hi
    2. CORNET
      CORNET 15 June 2016 10: 54
      +2
      Quote: Andrey K
      "Kalashnikov" brought to the civilian market 4 new type of small arms...
      It can be said simpler: Kalashinikov did not invent anything new and once again released 4 AK-like products. The quality is at the level of the good old AK, the name is earned. This is used. Which, in principle, is not bad.
      The first two samples described are variations on the theme of the smooth-bore "Saiga". The third and fourth are simply the use of AK-74 warehouse stocks (last year they launched civilian barrels chambered for 5,45х39, previously used only in the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs).

      Why invent a bicycle ...? Here with licenses would be sorted out .. (everyone is lazy to stamp ..) angry
      A real "Kalash", it is reliable and reliable everywhere!

      There are very few real "Kalash" ... (in warehouses waiting in the wings ..))
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 15 June 2016 11: 40
        0
        Quote: CORNET
        There are very few real "Kalash" ... (in warehouses waiting in the wings ..))

        Who minus ..? "Kalashnikov" is almost manual assembly ... (the mechanism itself is copying shamelessly ..) But the quality of steel of the mechanisms of all (especially the barrel) It was always the eye of a specialist, and not machines (they also participate, of course, in the Quality Control Department) ... For this he was appreciated and appreciated! hi (I let out a couple of horns, right away ..) and you know that the barrel and the bolt will not overlap ... well, etc.! That's why they appreciate the real "Kalash"!
    3. TiRex
      TiRex 15 June 2016 11: 37
      0
      not quite so, the barrels for newly-made saigas go, and to me as a user the cartridge guide, which the Ministry of Internal Affairs cut off at the start of the production of 5,45 semiautomatic machines, is very important.
  2. megafair
    megafair 15 June 2016 10: 43
    -7
    Quote: press service_Rostech
    This model has the most authentic appearance and weight of military weapons, and any citizen of the Russian Federation who has reached the age of majority can purchase it


    They were already "delighted", that is, we should expect the appearance on the streets of cities of "adult" ghouls who have watched enough reports from the United States, and walking with such "toys".
    1. kultiapin
      kultiapin 15 June 2016 10: 45
      +8
      Saiga has been in the market for a hundred years, and I did not notice something of ghouls on the street with us.
      1. mav1971
        mav1971 15 June 2016 11: 08
        -17%
        Quote: kultiapin
        Saiga has been in the market for a hundred years, and I did not notice something of ghouls on the street with us.


        Have you forgotten how a ghoul shot his office in Moscow?
        Or in the same place in Moscow a teenage ghoul shot a teacher and a policeman and took his classmates hostage?
        Or in Belgorod scumbag-ghoul shot 6 people?

        Is the memory short?

        And these are the most resonant.
        We have household shooting - no less than Nichrome in Omeriki ...
        In villages, firing is regular.
        They themselves tried a couple of times to stop such shooting from drunken and distraught, as it were, "normal in ordinary life" people ...

        According to statistics, from 2014 of the year about 600 of officially instituted criminal cases regarding the use of gunshots - civil.
        Given that it is not fixed, this figure can be safely multiplied by 5-10 times.

        So think a little.
        1. Alexanast
          Alexanast 15 June 2016 11: 20
          +8
          So what now ... "Collect all the guns and burn them"? hi
        2. TiRex
          TiRex 15 June 2016 11: 53
          +2
          of these "about 600 officially opened criminal cases on the fact of the use of firearms - civil" - 99,9% of cases, the use of traumatics, the use of firearms (smooth or cut) - in almost 100% of cases a prison, the people do not want to go there, and those who were in prison do not sell.
        3. ARES623
          ARES623 15 June 2016 13: 54
          +2
          Quote: mav1971
          According to statistics, from 2014 of the year about 600 of officially instituted criminal cases regarding the use of gunshots - civil.
          Given that it is not fixed, this figure can be safely multiplied by 5-10 times.

          So think a little.

          Bribery, rape, sale of drugs can be "not recorded", but murder is recorded in any case (individual incidents can be ignored).
          Thinking about it a little is a good thing. If you imagine how many people were killed by ordinary kitchen knives, and even more bodily harm was inflicted, then, according to your logic, knives should not be released !!! At the same time, it should be understood that legal rifled weapons are all shot and the data is contained in the bullet sleeve. It will not be difficult to determine the address of the trunk from a bullet stuck in someone's body. And, which is typical, the owners of the barrels know about this, which means that in a deliberate crime, these weapons will be in minimal quantities. And the drunk and crazy will always find something to "please" us. If the sergeant at the site works, then the weapon and the drunkard (with the madman) will not intersect.
          1. BARKHAN
            BARKHAN 15 June 2016 23: 25
            +1
            Quote: ARES623
            Quote: mav1971
            According to statistics, from 2014 of the year about 600 of officially instituted criminal cases regarding the use of gunshots - civil.
            Given that it is not fixed, this figure can be safely multiplied by 5-10 times.

            So think a little.

            Bribery, rape, sale of drugs can be "not recorded", but murder is recorded in any case (individual incidents can be ignored).
            Thinking about it a little is a good thing. If you imagine how many people were killed by ordinary kitchen knives, and even more bodily harm was inflicted, then, according to your logic, knives should not be released !!! At the same time, it should be understood that legal rifled weapons are all shot and the data is contained in the bullet sleeve. It will not be difficult to determine the address of the trunk from a bullet stuck in someone's body. And, which is typical, the owners of the barrels know about this, which means that in a deliberate crime, these weapons will be in minimal quantities. And the drunk and crazy will always find something to "please" us. If the sergeant at the site works, then the weapon and the drunkard (with the madman) will not intersect.

            Yes, in vain you try. These are irreconcilable fighters. Never in your life did not hold real weapons. And, if you dig a little deeper that were not allowed to be stored and worn for some reason. I, if I see a person without a weapon, immediately start to think what is wrong with him. Either health, or an alcoholic (drug addict, psycho), or not getting along with the law. Perhaps it is simply low-chilled, incapable of responsibility and protection of neighbors.
            In Russia, control over legitimate weapons is prohibitive. Checking for example rifled once every half a year.
            Thank God Russian men are warriors by nature and upbringing. Well, there is always scum.
            Everyone whom the legally armed citizen of Russia breaks ... go cross-stitch and do not meddle in men's affairs.
            Yes, and many women are now different ...
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 16 June 2016 09: 58
              0
              Quote: Barkhan

              Yes, in vain you try. These are irreconcilable fighters. Never in your life did not hold real weapons. And, if you dig a little deeper that were not allowed to be stored and worn for some reason. I, if I see a person without a weapon, immediately start to think what is wrong with him. Either health, or an alcoholic (drug addict, psycho), or not getting along with the law. Perhaps it is simply low-chilled, incapable of responsibility and protection of neighbors.


              I am not an opponent of 100%, I am for a clear limitation.

              I myself had 3 security licenses.
              For the possibility of continuous wearing IL-71.
              Dragged him for several years daily.
              Saigu-410K took regularly on business trips.
              The 90 years you know were very different for many.

              He also had a hunting ticket.
              He shot in almost all types of weapons.
              From combat, all variants of AK, PC to all civilian options, for there was access to the weapons of some large private security companies at one time.
              I know the application statistics, I talked a lot with LRR.

              So I may even be more normal than you with your lovers of gunshots.
          2. mav1971
            mav1971 16 June 2016 09: 51
            +1
            Quote: ARES623
            Quote: mav1971
            According to statistics, from 2014 of the year about 600 of officially instituted criminal cases regarding the use of gunshots - civil.
            Given that it is not fixed, this figure can be safely multiplied by 5-10 times.

            So think a little.

            Bribery, rape, sale of drugs can be "not recorded", but murder is recorded in any case (individual incidents can be ignored).
            Thinking about it a little is a good thing. If you imagine how many people were killed by ordinary kitchen knives, and even more bodily harm was inflicted, then, according to your logic, knives should not be released !!! At the same time, it should be understood that legal rifled weapons are all shot and the data is contained in the bullet sleeve. It will not be difficult to determine the address of the trunk from a bullet stuck in someone's body. And, which is typical, the owners of the barrels know about this, which means that in a deliberate crime, these weapons will be in minimal quantities. And the drunk and crazy will always find something to "please" us. If the sergeant at the site works, then the weapon and the drunkard (with the madman) will not intersect.


            What theorists are you however ...

            As long as there is no corpse or a serious wound, isn’t there a case of using weapons in your opinion?
            Shooting drunk in villages is constant - it is not taken into account in statistics.
            For a drunk man gets into 9 cases from 10.
            But.
            Is this a shooting case?
            Yes, a fact.
            I just didn’t kill anyone and didn’t wound by accident.
            Even if he didn’t hurt much, they don’t even go to the hospital.

            A trauma is used at a normal distance of 2-3 meters, at such a distance it differs little visually from a gunshot.
            Weapons are now alterations and full-fledged - on the market more than dofiga.
            As with Chechnya, so now thousands have been taken from Ukraine ...

            Threat. Minuscule lovers of civilian firearms.
            I am not an opponent of 100%, I am for a clear limitation.
            Until 30 years - it is impossible.
            Psychological expertise is not the same as it is now, but a completely different one is required. So that not only the drunk could not get the right to weapons, but not even a single hot-tempered, although normal, could not get a weapon.

            I myself had 3 security licenses.
            For the possibility of continuous wearing IL-71.
            He also had a hunting ticket.
            He shot in almost all types of weapons.
            From military to all civilian options, for there was access to the weapons of some large private security companies at one time.
            I know the application statistics, I talked a lot with LRR.
      2. megafair
        megafair 15 June 2016 13: 32
        +1
        Quote: kultiapin
        Saiga has been in the market for a hundred years, and I did not notice something of ghouls on the street with us.

        Do not confuse the fact that "Saiga" is for sale, but only with the "Hunting weapon permit", and the fact that the "hollowed out AK-103" can buy Any citizen of the Russian Federation who has reached the age of majority (i.e. by passport).

        For reference, in order to obtain a "Hunting Weapon Permit" a person should not have outstanding criminal records, he must collect a bunch of documents, he must go through a lot of checks (psychiatrist, narcologist, etc.) and pay certain fees.
    2. 33 Watcher
      33 Watcher 15 June 2016 10: 51
      -1
      Quote: megafair
      Quote: press service_Rostech
      This model has the most authentic appearance and weight of military weapons, and any citizen of the Russian Federation who has reached the age of majority can purchase it


      They were already "delighted", that is, we should expect the appearance on the streets of cities of "adult" ghouls who have watched enough reports from the United States, and walking with such "toys".

      Such toys can be freely purchased for about 10 years, as well as empty cartridges for them. Even car racing saved. Everything is absolutely legal. But here are the prices for these toys ...
      1. TiRex
        TiRex 15 June 2016 11: 49
        0
        and where is the auto fire saved in them? It’s not difficult to find an unregistered double-barreled shotgun or another smooth rifle, and in China, with the complete prohibition of firearms, people are organizing mass battles with knives and that they sell their knives according to their passport ...
        1. 33 Watcher
          33 Watcher 15 June 2016 12: 19
          0
          Quote: TiRex
          and where is the auto fire saved in them?

          Do you remember how single shots from 7,62 AK were carried out?
          This is where it is saved. Barrel diac ...
          1. TiRex
            TiRex 15 June 2016 13: 20
            0
            in hollowed ones - yes preserved ...
    3. okunevich_rv
      okunevich_rv 15 June 2016 11: 06
      +1
      One should expect an accidental shooting of young animals, due to the use of weapons similar to military ones.
    4. okunevich_rv
      okunevich_rv 15 June 2016 11: 06
      -2
      One should expect an accidental shooting of young animals, due to the use of weapons similar to military ones.
    5. gladcu2
      gladcu2 16 June 2016 20: 07
      0
      megafair

      In fact, making weapons partially non-functional is a novelty of the season.

      Many countries have legally prohibited the possession of any weapon at all, or created serious administrative difficulties. But the paradox is that non-functional weapons can be bought without a license on the Internet at a very affordable price. And collectors buy it.

      The category of collectors is different. These are not necessarily some wealthy gentlemen. And it’s quite a hard worker, who bought one - three, the trunk to decorate their room. And it’s not expensive.

      Thus, the arms market is developing.
  3. AID.S
    AID.S 15 June 2016 10: 45
    0
    "The second novelty is the hollowed-out AK-103 (caliber - 7,62x39 mm), which uses a light-noise cartridge." The use of other ammunition is impossible. "
    This one, why, for Mosfilm?
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 15 June 2016 10: 52
      +2
      So that I can buy and put in a cabinet for weapons smile
    2. Lanista
      Lanista 15 June 2016 10: 53
      -1
      Have you ever heard of clubs for SHP fans? It's cooler than paintball and airsoft combined.
      1. Lanista
        Lanista 15 June 2016 14: 56
        0
        Minute technically illiterate Selyuki?
  4. vanavatny
    vanavatny 15 June 2016 10: 46
    +2
    are they mocking? the safe is not rubber laughing
  5. Engineer
    Engineer 15 June 2016 10: 51
    +4
    Though beat, even kick, but the Boar is dearer to my heart)
    1. Samuel Marshak
      Samuel Marshak 16 June 2016 04: 30
      0
      100% agree, for the smooth "Kalash" Vyatskiye Polyany is still out of competition.
  6. erased
    erased 15 June 2016 10: 59
    0
    Nothing new. And the 5,45 caliber is more for practical shooting than for hunting. Hammer Plant has been producing truncated smooth boreholes for a long time. But the fact of the release itself is encouraging, otherwise they want to ban civilian weapons based on military ones.
  7. ovod84
    ovod84 15 June 2016 11: 05
    +1
    Good news
  8. ovod84
    ovod84 15 June 2016 11: 05
    0
    Good news
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 15 June 2016 13: 42
      +1
      Quote: ovod84
      Good news


      Tests of the pistol of the future "Udav" will be completed in 2016
      The new generation Russian pistol "Udav" is preparing for state tests.
      Powerful weapons, designed for a 9X21 mm caliber cartridge, will replace Makarov and Yarygin pistols in the future.
      This was announced by the General Director of TsNIItochmash Dmitry Semizorov.
      - Work on a promising pistol "Boa" in the final stage, - he specified. Preliminary tests have been completed, the deficiencies identified during them are being eliminated and samples are being prepared for state tests. "

      As RG wrote earlier, the characteristics of the pistol are classified. It is only known that the "Boa" magazine is designed for eighteen rounds. It is adapted to be equipped with a laser designator, a collimator (a device that facilitates sighting) and a flashlight.

      The oldest gunsmith in the country, Petr Serdyukov, is working on the project. Actually "Boa constrictor" is a development of the self-loading pistol Serdyukov (SPS), also known as "Gyurza", created by him earlier. It is used by the army special forces of the Ministry of Internal Affairs, the FSB and the FSO. Able to pierce class 3 body armor at a distance of 50 meters and beyond. Sighting range - 100 meters.

      However, "Udav", as Dmitry Semizorov assures, will surpass in its characteristics all existing analogues. The general director of TsNIITOCHMASH hopes to complete state tests of the pistol in 2016.
  9. Horst78
    Horst78 15 June 2016 11: 07
    +2
    Ну
    coated AK-103 (caliber - 7,62x39 mm)
    quite suitable for military sports clubs
  10. fa2998
    fa2998 15 June 2016 11: 20
    +3
    What noisy headlines are given to articles. In fact, we have no "civilian market" and the next "effective managers" are making a 100500 Kalashnikov variation. negative hi
  11. Des10
    Des10 15 June 2016 11: 46
    +1
    laughing Press service of Rostec (!): - "... 4 (!) New (!) Types (!) Of small arms."
    And here they repeated laughing .
    As a result, not quite 4, but rather not new, and certainly not new species.
    The rest - well done, trying to update the product.
  12. AVA77
    AVA77 15 June 2016 12: 33
    -4
    For hunting, just nonsense.
  13. uav80
    uav80 15 June 2016 12: 38
    0
    Quote: Andrey K
    last year civilian trunks were launched for sale under the 5,45x39 cartridge, before that they had been used only in the Ministry of Defense and the Ministry of Internal Affairs

    if I’m not mistaken, then for more than 2-3 years both on the civilian market Saiga-5.45 is 08, the price tag is humane in the region of 20 rubles in Izhevsk, in two versions with a fully-fledged DTK and without it, with a sawed-off ramrod support ...
    1. TiRex
      TiRex 16 June 2016 18: 53
      0
      I own one (version with DTK), looking at the price of cartridges 22LR and 5,45x39 (about 8-9r we had small and 8-50-9r 5,45x39 shell barnaul, half shell for a ruble more expensive, but there is a bullet from 223) bought instead of small things, like entertainment on paper - to banks ...
      a very pleasant thing, I didn’t have to saw anything (unlike saiga 12k at one time), it was definitely shot out of the box, the passport accuracy was 76 mm.
      at 100m barnaul it is quite possible to fit into 4-5cm with a dozen shots. almost no recoil (190cm - 90kg), after 12 gauge it is not at all ...
      shoot without optics at 250m + not at idiots running at you in the open, but at chest and head targets is not easy (but at targets the size of a head with a gross Barnaul cartridge and at 200m it’s almost impossible to get without an aim, I just don’t see or see it badly - it’s smeared and the fly is larger than the target), with an eye (I have a 1,5-6x42 variable, accuracy at ranges up to 100-150m practically does not increase, then everything changes radically, up to 300m you can confidently hit A4 targets, then everything destroys the ammunition - it’s unstable (but it’s cheap and cheerful, the pancake shell is barnaul), hinges (or the quality of gunpowder) walk, although the weight of the bullets and their landing are uniform and close. I didn’t shoot at 400 meters, I don’t know, but without optics there’s nothing to do even with fixed chest targets, although perhaps accuracy is enough.
      A brief review is based on the shooting of approximately 1500-2000 rounds over the past year.
  14. potapych
    potapych 15 June 2016 13: 31
    +1
    saiga is good
  15. Siberia 9444
    Siberia 9444 15 June 2016 14: 11
    0
    They squandered under the boar. I'm talking about klatkovostol.
    1. made13
      made13 15 June 2016 17: 14
      0
      Short barrel for gang warfare. I can hardly imagine how in the hunt you can get close to prey.
      1. TiRex
        TiRex 15 June 2016 17: 25
        0
        Rather, for self-defense at home, for gang warfare, a thread more interesting from 50-100 meters will be ...
  16. VeryBravePiggy
    VeryBravePiggy 15 June 2016 19: 57
    0
    Quote: Andrey K
    "Kalashnikov" brought to the civilian market 4 new type of small arms...
    The first two samples described are smoothbore variations

    Do not confuse a blank discarded weapon with a normal firearm. Oholoschenka is a weapon that formally refers to a civilian firearm, but in fact it is a severely crippled MMG, but with the possibility of babaching. That is, all the main parts of firearms, the sale of which is carried out in a special order (Federal Law "On Weapons"), for empty decommissioned pistols, machine guns, carbines, rifles and machine guns are seriously altered, weakened and unsuitable for returning to a combat state. And firing ammunition with a bullet is also impossible (due to the presence of several non-retrievable pins in the barrel). And the "light-sound" cartridges are not ammunition, because do not contain bullets. Therefore, licenses, permits and registration with the police are not required. However, the rules for storing, carrying, and "simulating shooting" are identical to those for a normal firearm. That is, if a person arranges a Caucasian wedding with shooting from hollow barrels, without the consent of the police - at least Art. 213 of the Criminal Code of the Russian Federation with the confiscation of the weapon of the crime - an empty barrel.
  17. Samuel Marshak
    Samuel Marshak 16 June 2016 04: 25
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    Comrades! Explain to me why I need Saiga 410? What is the shot in your 410s?
    IMHO: Bullets pours wherever he wants, even from the machine, the shotgun charge only on the pigeons.