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Politically correct historical notes



Immediately make a reservation that I am not a historian. Neither professional nor amateur, no. Towards stories I am a complete user.
My own applied and scientific field of activity is management. And more precisely, metrological procedures in management processes, where history as a set of measured parameters is a necessary and indispensable condition for the development and adoption of adequate management decisions.

In addition to the aforementioned utilitarian use of history - as a basis for developing and making decisions - the science of management pays special attention to heretics, that is, to those who think outside the box and unconventional.

All modern textbooks and methods of management call not only carefully and (you will not believe) to take care of heretics carefully, but also to constantly provoke their activities, since any recognized innovation in any field of human activity has always been born as a heretical deviation from the norm, starting with statements that the Earth is round and ending with the statement that a person needs to be infected so that he does not get sick (this is me about vaccinations).
Now about the history itself, or rather, about some features of the process of its knowledge at a given historical moment:

This process is stormy and incendiary. On the historical themes in the media space there are battles that can only be compared with ukrobatali. They unfold on the most diverse, including not at all historical sites between the traditionalists and the so-called folk historians, go with increasing heat and reached that severity when they are no longer taken prisoner, and where, thank God, there are no dead, but a lot of wounded on his head.

And here are my personal observations: (I’d just make a reservation that this is only my personal experience) - those soldiers of historical truth for whom Fomenko-Nosovsky-Zadornov-Bushkov and others are the source of hell, and when meeting with them it’s supposed to spit three times over his shoulder and to cross over to the opposite side of the street, protecting the traditional ancient history and the history of the Middle Ages, does not subject to the slightest doubt and modern history in all its manifestations:

Availability of Molotov-Ribentrop protocols
Soviet occupation of the Baltic
100500 million civilians who were personally tortured by Stalin
Flying on the moon by American astronauts

And so on, right up to the events of 1991, during which the freedom-loving Balts, winning their independence from the treacherous Russians, with their bare hands bent their trunks and tore off the caterpillars from fifty ... no, from five hundred Russians attacking them tanksthen they deprived the tankers themselves of Latvian citizenship, from where the Baltic unique brand “non-citizen of the republic” came from ....

Well, what can you do? - advocates of “classical historical values” shrug their shoulders if such protocols were signed, what can you do then?

And then the conversation with them takes place as a blueprint - zadorny in its vigorous senselessness:

- Where are the originals?
- There is a copy.
- She's lime: here, here and here.
- There is a Ribbentrop telegram.
- What do you say about these blunders in the protocols?
- There is a Ribbentrop telegram.
- Where is the original?
“But did the troops enter?” Here is the proof.
- Where are the original protocols?
- In the archives.
- In which? We Tami searched, not found.
- In the archive of the Ministry of Foreign Affairs.
- So there is no such archive !!!
- Never mind. The facsimile is published!
- Where are the originals?
- There is microfilm from 1959 year.
- And the originals ???
- But after all, Poland was occupied? What more do you want?

So here are the Protocols, because they are needed. They have a lot of that built. They live an independent political life. They possess all the attributes of matter - they affect the consciousness, leave their material traces in political and public life, in documents. But the most important thing is that they are the basis for such lovely eccentricities, like the presentation of material claims for hundreds of billions of euros to the historical aggressor.

As well as the Molotov-Ribbentrop protocols, there is a separate, not at all historical life and the rest of the history, which in no way fits with the term “science”. A microscope - he, too, is a purely scientific device, but, hoisted over his head, instantly turns from a scientific tool into a dull cold object and instrument of violence. It also, as I already wrote, is the basis for making management decisions, where the wrong base entails deliberately erroneous decisions that, on a nationwide scale, can have disastrous consequences for entire nations.

That is why management practice has such an interest in historical science. That is why it requires verified accuracy and authenticity, since today there are enough funds for cross-checking.

Here and judicial forensics, allowing to investigate even the crimes of antiquity deep, and economic geography, allowing to make calculations of the real possibilities and needs of the population and the state in the studied historical period in the study area. These are genetics, cybernetics, and engineering modeling, each of which and all together can answer the question: “possibly-impossible” and even “it was-wasn’t” ...

Well, the old historical science does not use the new possibilities of the adjacent sciences, or rather uses it, but very selectively - only when it is necessary to crush someone from the attempts on the slender building of history. For example, after the traditionalists criminally criminally “The Protocols of the Elders of Zion” forensically, the proposal to subject the same analysis to the chronicles on which the classical history rests, to put it mildly, does not arouse enthusiasm, but causes a completely different state, extremely reminiscent of hysteria. Why did it happen?

Folk historians have enough of their cockroaches. Some linguistic studies are worth something. Honestly, I personally read them exactly to the point where they criticize the classical canon and scroll through the places where they form their own historical constructions, for everything obscures the ears, for which the facts are drawn to conclusions.

But there is another thing. Heretics will be everywhere and always, and the whole question is how they are perceived and how the system works with them. A civilized and viable one is able to aggregate even seemingly completely insane ideas, select worthy of attention among them, and turn them into innovations that allow one to gain a competitive advantage. And the fact that the first, to get to the truth, gets such an advantage, I hope, no evidence is required.

But with a classic story, something needs to be done ... Well, maybe not everyone, but Russians, for sure, because otherwise they are simply doomed to constant calls and demands to pay and repent, repent and pay, and everything is strictly in accordance with the classic historical canon ...
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  1. 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 15 June 2016 04: 42
    +3
    "But with the classical history something needs to be done ... Well, maybe not for everyone, but for the Russians, for sure."

    Well, you don’t need to do anything with history, and it’s impossible. But with her assessment ... Well, here you can peep at the Chinese neighbors. All assessments have been made and elevated to the rank of law; if you evaluate differently, you break the law (something like with Nazi propaganda, but it’s full of holes).
    Only now to do this, do not. At first I think to shake it up, and only then, you can. And from one time to shake the thought, it will not work, so that it is postponed for 15 years ... request laughing
    1. Conductor
      Conductor 15 June 2016 04: 52
      .
      Does the author question the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and speaks of the absence of documents? And then what and where are the "bloopers"?
      1. Moore
        Moore 15 June 2016 05: 52
        +29
        1. Reply from the author:
        Where are the originals?
        - There is a copy.
        - She's lime: here, here and here.
        - There is a Ribbentrop telegram.
        - What do you say about these blunders in the protocols?
        - There is a Ribbentrop telegram.
        - Where is the original?
        2. Are you sure that Molotov signed the Latin alphabet?
        1. Riv
          Riv 15 June 2016 07: 45
          +3
          ...- Here is the original for you.
          - It's a fake copy. Molotov has a signature nitakaaaaaa!

          Everything is in this way. Bushkov is already good because he must be read THINKING over the text. Even the first "Russia, which was not" - from which he later renounced.
          We are now witnessing something similar in the tragedy of a Boeing shot down over Ukraine. Well, it’s not possible to convince conspirators that the plane was shot down from the ground. No way. Do not believe. Even if Poroshenko himself goes to the UN and says that he himself launched a missile, one hell will not be believed.
        2. andj61
          andj61 15 June 2016 08: 21
          +20
          Quote: Moore
          2. Are you sure that Molotov signed the Latin alphabet?

          good At the same time, the existence of the pact itself is not in doubt at all. Doubt raises the content - or even the very existence of secret protocols.
          But on the other hand, what's the difference - were these protocols or not? Everything - absolutely everything, Karl, Germany’s neighbors entered into certain agreements with it in the 30s, while many agreements provided for territorial increments of the contracting parties at the expense of third countries. yes And, for example, Poland itself entered into such an agreement with Germany, and during the partition of Czechoslovakia it occupied the Tieszyn region - and nothing! This is normal, it turns out! winked But when the USSR does exactly the same thing, for some reason it turns out to be a fiend of hell. At the same time, England and France, which ensured the seizure and partition of Czechoslovakia, Austria, allowed the Anschluss of Austria - it seemed as if they were passing by! bully And the USSR, which did not get from England, France, Poland the same opportunity to conclude an alliance with them and curb the aggressive actions of Germany, accepted the proposal of Germany to conclude a non-aggression pact. This pact = - the failure of the foreign policy of England, France, the same Poland - and nothing more.
          The events of the 30s cannot be approached with the norms that are characteristic of post-war relations. All European countries had relations with Germany, all had embassies with red flags with a swastika, very many concluded agreements with the Nazis - both trade and in the political sphere - and then it was considered normal.
          1. Inok10
            Inok10 15 June 2016 10: 20
            +11
            But something needs to be done with classical history ... Well, maybe not for everyone, but for Russians, for sure, because otherwise they are simply doomed to constant calls and demands to pay and repent, repent and pay, and everything is strictly in accordance with the classical historical canon...
            ... absolutely true ... despite the fact that these songs are sung to us in any socio-economic order ... there was the Russian Empire - we were invaders, there was the USSR - we were invaders, now the Russian Federation - we are invaders again ... no, gentlemen of the Anglo-Saxons, we are not invaders, we are just every time return what belongs to us by right!... and in the end, why not be an invader ... Yes, I am a Russian occupier! and such a map of Europe will quite suit me! ... though there will be something to listen to ... laughing
        3. lex locis
          lex locis 15 June 2016 10: 46
          +5
          Quote: Moore
          Are you sure that Molotov signed the Latin alphabet?


          Especially the shakarn signature of Molotov in Latin letters!
          This is so that foreign "well, stupid" immediately understand that this is Molotov, without translation from the Cyrillic alphabet and explanations ...
        4. Revolver
          Revolver 15 June 2016 16: 06
          +4
          Quote: Explorer
          And then what and where are the "bloopers"?




          Agreed by the USSR and Germany, and English language map. And why?what
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      3. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 15 June 2016 05: 53
        +11
        Quote: Explorer
        The author questions the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
        The author questions the existence of additions (the so-called secret protocols) to the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact
        Quote: Explorer
        and says the lack of documents?
        The author talks about falsification the above documents. And he is not alone, many serious researchers doubt their authenticity.
        Quote: Explorer
        And then what and where are the "bloopers"?
        Have you really managed to find the originals of the legendary secret protocols? Handshake frantically!
      4. siberalt
        siberalt 15 June 2016 05: 54
        +6
        Any contract is drawn up by the parties, at least two. And if the agreement between the states, then it is drawn up in the appropriate number of copies in the languages ​​of the signatory countries. Where is the copy of the laid out card in Russian? That's it.
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 15 June 2016 06: 10
          +16
          Quote: siberalt
          Where is the copy of the laid out card in Russian?
          This instance] Stalin personally burned in the basements of the Lubyanka. Together with a hundred miles he personally tormented. laughing
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 June 2016 08: 19
            +5
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            This instance] Stalin personally burned in the basements of the Lubyanka.

            it’s not true, he buried it under a birch planted under Smolensk, about which a tusk broke his head
          2. CONTROL
            CONTROL 15 June 2016 08: 20
            +4
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Quote: siberalt
            Where is the copy of the laid out card in Russian?
            This instance] Stalin personally burned in the basements of the Lubyanka. Together with a hundred miles he personally tormented. laughing

            ... personally - stopitsot!
            The rest are on Beria!
      5. Mahmut
        Mahmut 15 June 2016 06: 09
        +2
        This is happening not only with historical science. For example, official science officially denies the existence of official science. It is argued that science is true and false. That is, any doubt in the generally accepted canons is immediately declared pseudoscience. But after all, initially it was doubts that were the basis and the root cause for the development of science. And now there is a continuous monopoly around. Monopoly in historical science, in fundamental science, in economics, in politics. Here's another criminal responsibility for dissent and all the conditions for the final degradation of society have matured. We will live like ants. Hardworking, disciplined and dumb.
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 15 June 2016 08: 24
          0
          Quote: Mahmut
          We will live like ants. Hardworking, disciplined and dumb.

          ... With the amendment - "like ants": right!
          - "hard-working, disciplined" ... Well, my friend! Where are you such наших have you seen ants ?!
          - and the last ... ... to question? ... or to agree? ...
      6. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 June 2016 07: 23
        0
        Quote: Explorer
        The author questions the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact

        Are you sure you read carefully ?!
      7. Penzuck
        Penzuck 15 June 2016 08: 01
        +2
        Quote: Explorer
        Does the author question the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and speaks of the absence of documents? And then what and where are the "bloopers"?

        17 of September 1939 of The Red Army took Vilna,
        28 of September 1939 of signed a "secret plan for the treacherous partition of Poland"? When there were no more soldiers left in Poland?
        "DB" (S) Lavrov.
        Maybe this "document" is not fake, but the logic should be?
      8. Hlavaty
        Hlavaty 15 June 2016 09: 53
        +2
        Did Molotov always sign in Latin letters, or did he only abandon the Cyrillic alphabet for Ribbentrop?
      9. yehat
        yehat 15 June 2016 11: 58
        0
        we are talking about the fact that some additional protocols to the pact are constantly exaggerated
        and speculate on what could be there
        but there is no real evidence of their existence
      10. Jaros81
        Jaros81 15 June 2016 16: 05
        +2
        1 slap at the bottom of the map in the annotation all the inscriptions about German, but in the middle for some reason in English. This is impossible, since the contracting parties are the USSR and Germany.
        2 blunders on the map - then German, then English. Warsaw alone is worth what, written in English.
        There are many more technical mistakes, but only these two completely indicate falsification.
      11. Altona
        Altona 15 June 2016 22: 55
        0
        Quote: Explorer
        Does the author question the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and speaks of the absence of documents? And then what and where are the "bloopers"?

        -------------------------
        Did you draw these outline maps?
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 15 June 2016 05: 44
      +5
      Quote: Observer 33
      First think shake

      With a Belarusian accent. As father Lukashenka used to say: "I have been screwing up my office and I will still be."
      lol
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 15 June 2016 05: 46
      +4
      Again twenty-five! It has already been said that it is the states that rewrite history to suit their interests. And their "chroniclers" are written historians, and their darkness with their institutions. The rewriting of history is taking place before our eyes. And who would doubt that this is not the first time this happens.
    4. Finches
      Finches 15 June 2016 06: 11
      +4
      The history of the Russian state is so magnificent in its diversity that it is no longer subject to human obscurantism! It is impossible to rewrite the history of the Great Empires - Roman, Byzantine, Chinese, the history of Ancient Greece and Egypt! There is nothing to fake with British history ... but to manipulate the pathetic tricks of countries remodelers can be, in a historical context: the USA is a remake, I will not write anything about any Ukraine, it’s not a country at all, but only geographical concepts ... But some people will go into historical chronicles to manipulate other people and there is only one way out - comprehensive literacy and the broadest education! That would be like in a joke:

      "- Remember, sonny, an intelligent person always doubts everything. Only do ... how can he be completely sure of something ...
      “Are you sure about that, dad?”
      - Absolutely! "
      laughing
      1. Vasilenko Vladimir
        Vasilenko Vladimir 15 June 2016 08: 43
        +4
        Quote: Finches
        It is impossible to rewrite the history of the Great Empires - Roman, Byzantine, Chinese, the history of Ancient Greece and Egypt!

        don't make people laugh, even as possible
        I taught at school that the Bolsheviks overthrew the tsar
        still we are told that the fleet in Russia created Peter 1, and before Peter we ran herds through the woods in bast shoes
        we still don’t know a damn about the horde period
        Paul the first is considered an idiot
        by the way about the rest of the empire of fiction as well to hell
        1. yehat
          yehat 15 June 2016 12: 59
          +2
          Paul was an idiot. But not because he was so weak-witted, rather, his head was too full of romance and it was the fault of his guardians. Fiction is part of the story. They will always be there.
          1. Vasilenko Vladimir
            Vasilenko Vladimir 15 June 2016 13: 33
            +2
            Quote: yehat
            the head was filled with romance

            Which one?
          2. Mikado
            Mikado 15 June 2016 14: 30
            +1
            Quote: yehat
            Paul was an idiot. But not because he was so weak-witted, rather, his head was too full of romance and it was the fault of his guardians. Fiction is part of the story. They will always be there.

            I will not be so categorical. Paul's theme is interesting. Also read about his upbringing? He was originally a pure and gifted boy. Romance - yes, I totally agree. The concept of "chivalry" was incorporated into it. This is probably wrong. And the negative character traits are due to the fact that he was overexposed in Gatchina. I think none of us would like to have such a fate when the next "favorite" of mother with her majors openly laughs at you, and he grew up like that for many years. Paul's merit is that he tried to rein in the fucking majors, who were deep in the country and the people, he tried to force the nobles to serve. And, by the way, it was Pavel who first introduced the greatcoat, and before that, in the cold, you understand. Yours faithfully, hi
        2. Finches
          Finches 15 June 2016 20: 27
          0
          Your school was somehow strange ... I studied in the same Soviet school, but they told us that the Bolsheviks overthrew the Provisional Government! Do you remember the legendary phrase: "The guard is tired!"? The Navy, like regular Armed Pitchfork - Peter really created! hi

      2. Samoyed
        Samoyed 15 June 2016 09: 57
        +1
        The only rule with no exceptions: all rules have an exception! Dialectics.
      3. BARKHAN
        BARKHAN 15 June 2016 18: 43
        +2
        Eugene with the Chinese is also quite fun ... Those are still dreamers ... Their whole "many-thousand-year history" is an invention ... They themselves admit that "... According to the unanimous testimony of all Chinese chronicles in 215 BC, all books in China were burned by order of Emperor Shi Huang-di. The question is, according to what sources Sima Nian compiled the history of two and a half thousand years later ( !) years? After all, there are no books left.
        This one "evidence" of the Chinese chronicles is, in principle, enough ... "

        I repeat, the Chinese ancient historians "recalled their entire history from memory." That is, they sucked it out of the thumb. And for some reason European historians believe them unconditionally.
        "... One of the oldest Chinese chronicles is considered (see [125], p. 12) the book" Shujing "(" The Book of History "), allegedly written in the 247th-551th centuries BC (we again see how historians throw themselves at ease for centuries), but supplemented later, since the presentation of events it brings to the Zhou dynasty (allegedly 479 BC). According to legend, it was edited by Confucius (whose years of life are known with full accuracy: 6-55. Morozov translates the title of this book as "Canonical Poems" (see [XNUMX], p. XNUMX), apparently confusing it with the book "Shijing", also allegedly edited by Confucius.
        Another important source is the book “Shiji” (“Historical notes”), which begins its story with minus 2550 and allegedly written in the 2500st century BC. e. (i.e., 125 years after the events began) “by the prominent Chinese historian Sima Qiang” ([12], p. 24). Other historians continued this book, resulting in a compilation of 5000 annals of various dynasties in more than 1644 volumes. The final version of the Shiji book was brought to XNUMX, from which, by the way, it follows that this version (like all other "ancient" Chinese books) does not have its own antiquity.
        The third source is the vast Encyclopedia (Wen-xiantunkao, in fact, “The Study and Explanation of All Signs”), written in the 1644th century. n e. Ma Duan-lin, but also continued until XNUMX
        Comparison of Shiji with Encyclopedia shows that the authors of these books diligently copied from each other ... "
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  3. Sars
    Sars 15 June 2016 04: 52
    +9
    Everyone understands that the history of Russia and Russia is a set of myths (even Lomonosov beat the German (Jewish) academics for this. We don’t even know the history of the last century, half of the population believes that Lenin is an angel and Stalin is a devil. Zyuganov, won puts them in one place.
    Yes, it's been a hundred years, the last twenty-five: everyone has seen, everyone knows, and the last myth in honor:
    the great patriot leads Russia with all his might, fights with the whole West, but he was surrounded on all sides by vile enemies, even penetrated into the gym, engaged in fitness with him.
    1. midivan
      midivan 15 June 2016 05: 43
      +5
      Quote: SarS
      Yes, it's been a hundred years, the last twenty-five: everyone has seen, everyone knows, and the last myth in honor:
      the great patriot leads Russia with all his might, fights with the whole West, but he was surrounded on all sides by vile enemies, even penetrated into the gym, engaged in fitness with him.

      smile the fact of the matter is that 25, if you took 15, how would it be to the place of a brick in the one who directs, and you are by chance not one of those great citizens of patriots who are ready for the absence of jamon and attach a knife in the back? I often dream, so quietly to myself, that the temporary detention center would return (in any guise), and the grateful people would finally remember that this is working really and not rely on the leader when he personally starts to deliver loafs to their homes smile
      1. Sars
        Sars 15 June 2016 06: 20
        +5
        Quote: midivan
        for the lack of jamon are you ready to attach a knife in the back?

        No, not one of those. For the absence of jamon I will not kill. I don’t even know what exactly it is.
        And here, to those who build the Kerch bridge not for 25 billion, but for 200 billion, do not mind applying IVS methods.
        1. CONTROL
          CONTROL 15 June 2016 08: 37
          +1
          Quote: SarS
          Quote: midivan
          for the lack of jamon are you ready to attach a knife in the back?

          No, not one of those. For the absence of jamon I will not kill. I don’t even know what exactly it is.

          Jamon is a jerky, a ham; well, there are still pigs fed and grazed in the mountains ...
          You can make beef, from wild boar ...
          Have you eaten a vobla? Well - fish jamon! ...
          1. Sars
            Sars 15 June 2016 08: 57
            +5
            Quote: CONTROL
            Have you eaten a vobla? Well - fish jamon! ...

            Thank you so much, I will know!
            So, I’m kind of making jamon for myself.
            Like whiskey - the same.
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        2. midivan
          midivan 15 June 2016 14: 23
          +1
          Quote: SarS
          No, not one of those. For the absence of jamon I will not kill.

          it really pleases
          Quote: SarS
          I don’t even know what exactly it is.

          you have not lost much smile anecdote on the topic-the beginning of the 90s, godfather and you ate "Mars", is it worth buying a try? Yes.-Well, how? - hefty sweet. -And snickers? -Yes the same thing only with nuts. -Sho tried tampax? yes, just don't buy cotton wool
          Quote: SarS
          And here, to those who build the Kerch bridge not for 25 billion, but for 200 billion, do not mind applying IVS methods.

          yes, these methods must be applied from a little bit of a collective farm foreman and ending with the same "builders" of bridges smile
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    2. Finches
      Finches 15 June 2016 06: 40
      0
      A set of myths - these are our posts on VO! hi laughing
      1. Sars
        Sars 15 June 2016 07: 10
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        A set of myths - these are our posts on VO!

        In my defense, I can offer several historical myths to condemn:
        1. The first state in Russia was organized by the Vikings;
        2. Oleg’s campaign on Constantinople with nailing a shield;
        3. Tatar-Mongol yoke;
        4. The uprising of Pugachev;
        5. Alexander Nevsky - defender of Russia not only from the Swedes, but also from the Tatars;
        Enough, or shall we reach Lenin?
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  4. Sergey333
    Sergey333 15 June 2016 05: 16
    +6
    I especially liked the comparison with the microscope, if you hit it on the head with history ... than our unfinished national traitors have been doing with the peoples of the former USSR since the beginning of the 90s of the last century.
  5. Wolka
    Wolka 15 June 2016 05: 34
    +3
    of this clever manager for a cannon shot, do not push the army and navy, when approaching, open fire to defeat without warning, this is an order, that's all ....
  6. Revolver
    Revolver 15 June 2016 05: 41
    +2
    I don't remember who said, but to the point: "Russia is a country with an unpredictable past."
  7. Andrey Sukharev
    Andrey Sukharev 15 June 2016 05: 55
    +1
    In relation to history, I am a complete user.

    Smiled
  8. Astor
    Astor 15 June 2016 06: 27
    +9
    George Orwell very accurately remarked: "He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past." Therefore, all these manipulations with history
    1. CONTROL
      CONTROL 15 June 2016 08: 42
      0
      Quote: Astor
      George Orwell very accurately remarked: "He who controls the past controls the future. He who controls the present controls the past." Therefore, all these manipulations with history

      ... But what about the autobiography?
      ... or "Personal file" in the 6th department? ... Personnel, personnel, do not be alarmed ...
  9. Mitrich76
    Mitrich76 15 June 2016 06: 57
    -1
    History as a science has outlived its usefulness. Now it has become occult. "old shamans" sit near the "primary sources", unravel the "secret signs" and interpret events in the key they need, while diligent assistants carefully record interpretations and develop them into "science." Objectivity is completely absent. And the whole story, or rather, its interpretation, depends on whose adherents are more vociferous, more interested in promoting their version, and, frankly, in the material embodiment of their ideas. As soon as the other side begins to feed better, historical concepts change.
    Russia is underfeeding its historians. So we get alternative interpretations of events. And the heyday of a pro-Western interpretation.
    1. V.ic
      V.ic 15 June 2016 07: 15
      +2
      Quote: Mitrich76
      Russia is underfeeding its historians. So we get alternative interpretations of events. And the heyday of a pro-Western interpretation.

      Already NM Karamzin I would not call "undernourished". And the Soviet official historian, academician M.N. Pokrovsky, is also not hungry. And to remember the ever-memorable Volkogonov DA, so does the burp into "blue water" go / only in a decent person /.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 June 2016 07: 06
    +1
    The whole world needs to be told and shown the truth about how in the second half of the 30s some Europeans betrayed themselves and their allies, while others from these same countries tried to prevent war and what happened in the end.
  11. rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 June 2016 07: 55
    +2
    Although history is a science based on confirmed (documented, material, etc.) historical facts, it is probably the only area where the events that have occurred are interpreted as beneficial to someone to achieve their goal. Therefore, the distortion of historical facts, fitting them to the political situation that is needed today is, is and will be.
  12. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 15 June 2016 08: 03
    +2
    Folk historians have enough of their cockroaches.
    There is such a thing. However, their theories in most cases are much more convincing, constructive, pragmatic and more logical than the nonsense that classical history offers.
    It is unfortunate that the state has withdrawn from the search and promotion of truthful and objective information. Although the country ruled by collaborative liberals is hardly a state. Sovereignty is fictitious, fake!
  13. CONTROL
    CONTROL 15 June 2016 08: 15
    0
    Strongly reminiscent of: http://kob.su/news/smert-istoricheskoi-nauki - "Death of Historical Science".
  14. Barsukvad
    Barsukvad 15 June 2016 08: 52
    +1
    Excuse me, but I would like to touch on the particulars, and more specifically the obliteration of the Great October Socialist Revolution from the history of our country. The other day I heard the thesis: "Without October 7, there would not have been May 9," with which I completely agree.
    Maybe this is because I was born in the USSR, but I believe that for most members of the forum June 14 and October 7 are two diametrically opposite in terms of content and contribution to the historical process.
    1. Samoyed
      Samoyed 15 June 2016 10: 02
      0
      Sorry, November 7th.
  15. Sanreeder
    Sanreeder 15 June 2016 08: 56
    0
    "Whoever has the truth is stronger" (C) Brother.

    Quote: Moore
    2. Are you sure that Molotov signed the Latin alphabet?

    Quote: siberalt
    Where is the copy of the laid out card in Russian?


    Quote: Observer 33
    Well, you don’t need to do anything with history, and it’s impossible. But with her assessment ...

    And here comes propaganda. Because
    Quote: rotmistr60
    the distortion of historical facts, fitting them to the political situation that is needed today is, is and will be.
  16. Stas57
    Stas57 15 June 2016 09: 46
    0
    on the one hand, everything is correct; on the other hand, it’s strange, strange, which seems to be a settled issue. and those who cut in one way or another - they are no longer in science, they are in faith in their view of the event))
  17. Samoyed
    Samoyed 15 June 2016 10: 09
    +2
    And I liked about the metrology of history. I don’t remember who said that “science begins where measurements begin”. Therefore, the author, with his approach to measuring the consequences of management decisions, is convincing. And to get to the measurement, you need to have a fairly reliable model. That is, the model is first run in to match reality, and it's hard to argue here. For example, by how much democratic reforms reduce the GDP of countries, or by how much the recommendations of the IMF increase debt and inflation. Hundreds, if not thousands of parameters related nonlinearly - but there are supercomputers too.
  18. Arandir
    Arandir 15 June 2016 12: 01
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    I do not agree with the author with the statement "Some linguistic research is worth what". Prominent scholars, historians, academics, engaged in linguistic research, and studied proper names, and hydronymics, and toponymy, and the etymology of words. Simply "Folk historians have enough of their cockroaches"they definitely want to prove the correctness of their vision, they can be mistaken in something and attract facts. It looks ridiculous. It does a lot of harm. In fact, the etymology must be studied. But to do it objectively. Reasonably. With verification and rechecking. With the correlation of kindred, ancient, proto-languages. With consideration of several options for meaning. Otherwise, we only give our opponents the opportunity to vulgarize everything by ridiculing.
  19. Basil50
    Basil50 15 June 2016 12: 13
    -1
    Why so attacked the HISTORY and its priests? According to the current situation, all scientific research is required to be printed abroad, and after approval, you can request the assignment of a scientific post (degree). Well, guess what * works * and opuses will receive support? Scientists and scientists because they teach them for a long time and diligently, those who dare to be clever or create something new can and can, but rather be ridiculed or imprisoned for extremism.
    In any science, doubts are possible and evidence is always required. Here historical science happily escaped such * stupid things *, the master from history said his weighty word and that means it was exactly as the meter said. Since this year, theology has become a science, with degrees and other attributes. I’m wondering, what do theologians have for the criteria of truth? I remember that they argued about the divinity of Christ for almost a thousand years after his death, until at the Council of Nicaea by a majority of votes they recognized Christ's right to be called God.
    Today, theological and historical delights are obtained in the same way approved by voting, therefore opuses about * the unexpected past * appear. Moreover, there are customers for historical libel and they don’t save money on fees, based on * compensation *. Just like in the US Senate when voting, when lobbyists * bring * money and only the amount determines the adoption of the law.
  20. Yukon
    Yukon 15 June 2016 14: 31
    0
    I agree with Nosovsky’s definition: History is a form of court creation. And it has a weak relation to science.
  21. Booch
    Booch 16 June 2016 11: 29
    +1
    Quote: Explorer
    Does the author question the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop Pact and speaks of the absence of documents? And then what and where are the "bloopers"?


    Here the author also speaks about such garbage.