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Takeoff weakness

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Regional aviation, handmade, looks good on paper


At a meeting on the development of aviation, held on 12 in May, the president expressed the need for his own competitive regional aircraft. The situation when residents of the Far East fly to the neighboring regions through Moscow is unacceptable. According to the head of state, the conversation about the prospects of creating in Russia a regional plane with a capacity of 50 – 60 passengers has long been overdue.

This is far from the first meeting on this issue at such a high level, but it is, as they say, still there. The deputy head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade, Yuri Slyusar, proposed solving the problem by remotorizing the existing aircraft fleet. There were other serious statements, sentences, the listing of which does not make sense. And so it is clear: the problem is overripe. What prevents the decision?

Demand wings


It got to the point that tickets for planes of local airlines in the Far East and other remote areas, where there is simply no other transport, cost more than for long-haul flights. Where, it is asked, the all-seeing eye of the sovereign, why the responsible for years have turned a blind eye to the problem and even today they don’t worry too much. Why should the president deal with everything? Not to mention the fact that to develop near air service requires demand.

The reason, apparently, is that the "responsible comrades" are looking for and offer the president to choose from only options for solving the issue. Instead of justifying and determining the best, which can be implemented as soon as possible. But at the already mentioned meeting on the problems of small aviation, the Minister of Industry and Trade reported to Vladimir Putin about four options. The first involves the creation of a regional aircraft based on the Ukrainian An-140, the second - the launch of IL-114 production in Russia (for more details, “IL-114 received a command to take off”), the third — the Russian-Chinese project MA-700, the fourth — a jet Tu 324, for which there are already significant developments.

Of course, each of the options has its advantages and disadvantages. They are united by one thing: they are all on paper. For example, I am not sure that in the current situation it is necessary to lobby the Ukrainian plane. As, however, and the Russian-Chinese project. But we, thank God, still have specialists who can evaluate everything and choose the best option. It would be a desire to give them that opportunity. But with this, as shown by many years of experience, not everything is in order.

To Crimea through Canada


Today, at least at major airports and not only, most often you can see planes of the Canadian company Bombardier (Domb 8 Q-400 and Q-300). There is nothing surprising here, since all domestic aircraft of small aircraft were still from the USSR. You can recall the An-2 and Po-2, Yak-40, later Yak-42. All of them have long ago developed their resource, only the Yak-42 flies in some places, but in the business class variant. It turns out that in the 25 years that have passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union, our government has not bothered to ask a simple question: what will replace these machines?

Takeoff weakness


In April, 2010 of the year, Vladimir Putin named certification and launch of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 passenger liner a series of success for the aviation industry. After six years, it turned out that only 150 was built from the 104 machines ordered. Moreover, only the 81 aircraft was handed over to the operators. But even at the design stage, the SSJ 100 with great fanfare was referred to as a competitive regional airliner. It was even planned to create its cheaper version on 75 passengers. But the plane is being sold badly and not only because of “childhood diseases”.

It turned out that the lower location of sufficiently large engines does not allow to operate the “Sukhoi Superjet 100” at small airfields with unpaved runways. And there are a great majority of these today in Russia. And again the question: where did those who approved this project look and consider such a sample as a regional one? Who allocated huge sums for its construction? Who counted commercial efficiency and prospects? Now for this there is no one to ask.

Unfortunately, we have to admit that today there is no concrete solution to the problem, which is very sensitive for Russia. There are meetings, proposals, ideas, and the domestic, much-needed aircraft for us is not even foreseen.

It turns out that in the next five years we cannot do without foreign aircraft. Today in Russia, the Canadian Bombardier continues to dominate in the field of regional aviation. Here is the latest confirmation of this: On May 26, a regular flight service to the Crimea from Kaluga opened 50-seat CRJ 200 of the Russian airline Yamal, which will operate flights on the route Ufa-Kaluga-Simferopol.

And again the question: why do we so love planes from a country that has long and consistently supported the anti-Russian initiatives of the United States? What is behind this, if not the lobbying aspirations of officials, who, of course, selfishly promote the projects of a particular foreign aircraft company in our market. What is not a reason to show national identity to those on whom the decision depends - to take these planes or to abandon them.

Perspectives and adjustments



Acceptable alternative solution is. Why, for example, forgot the well-known Brazilian manufacturer of aircraft for various purposes, Embraer? At present, this aircraft building conglomerate is one of the leaders in the global market for passenger regional aircraft. Brazilians are quite successfully competing with Canadians and claim to be third in the world in terms of aircraft production after the Airbus and Boeing. As of 2015, 620 liners of the ERJ type 145 and 1102 - the E-Jet family, produced by Embraer, are operated worldwide.

In this case, our national pride would not have suffered at all. Brazil is still one of our most consistent friends overseas, near the USA. Along with Russia, she is a leading member of one of the largest intergovernmental associations BRICS. The Brazilian economy ranks seventh in the world, following the Russian one. What else does?

Yes, today Brazilian President Dilma Rousseff is in big trouble, who at international meetings was very friendly with our president and, on the contrary, indifferent to the American one. It is likely that her independent position was the reason for the suspension from power and the transfer of the post to pro-American Vice-President Michel Temer.

But this is politics. As for the regional plane, it could be designed jointly with Brazilians and produced on our territory. As a way out for the first time, order such a plane from them with the prospect of joint production. It would cost "cheap and cheerful."

We summarize: in the perspective of Russia, of course, we need to create our own regional aircraft. We have enough forces and capabilities, we need only political will and thoughtful business decisions. One thing is very clear: people should not suffer from the inaction of “effective managers”, who both were and remain terribly far from the people of the country, stretching from west to east on 11 thousands of kilometers.
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  1. Signaller
    Signaller 17 June 2016 21: 42
    +12
    We summarize: in the perspective of Russia, of course, we need to create our own regional aircraft. We have enough forces and capabilities, we need only political will and thoughtful business decisions. One thing is very clear: people should not suffer from the inaction of “effective managers”, who both were and remain terribly far from the people of the country, stretching from west to east on 11 thousands of kilometers.
    And then there is no will. Why blame, if there is nothing but hope for an uncle who will come and give money .. Well, here Pushkin comes to mind. The Queen of Spades. "Midnight is approaching, but Herman is still gone." Our leadership does just that, but no one will come, we must ourselves. And there is not enough Will.
    1. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 17 June 2016 22: 06
      +23
      What is the article about? Everyone has already announced that they will build the IL-114. Also low-wing, like the Sukhoi Superjet 100. Quote from the author: "It turned out that the lower location of sufficiently large engines does not allow the Sukhoi Superjet 100 to be operated at small airfields with unpaved runways. And there are a significant majority of such in Russia today." It would seem that the author is aware that low-wing planes are not the best solution for unpaved airfields. But no, he offers to buy Brazilian low-planes from Brazil. On one model (ERJ 145) the engines were removed from the wing, but the landing gear nacelles were also removed from the wing. There is no perfection in the world. The article turned out to be somewhat illogical. Experts have already said everything about the IL-114 two years ago. Not only not "competitive on the world market", but also on the Russian market, carriers (!) Are not needed. And experts suggested using the Uzbek backlog for the Ministry of Defense, which should have been more than enough for them for twenty to thirty years. Several times I have flown from Moscow and St. Petersburg to Voronezh and back on SAAB-2000, the Swedish analogue of IL-114. A good aircraft for aerodromes with good coverage. But the Swedes made a total of 63 aircraft from 1992 to 1999, and closed the project. So the IL-114 will have no competitors, as well as customers. As an engineer, I would like to see a manifestation of "competence" rather than "political will", for the latter may turn out to be fertile ground for corruption.
      1. Pravdorub. 358
        Pravdorub. 358 17 June 2016 22: 33
        -45%
        PUTIN EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM NUMBER OF SUPERPOWER

        Russian President Vladimir Putin admitted that he considers the United States to be the only superpower in the world at the moment. He made such a statement on Friday, June 17, speaking at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF), the Lenti.ru correspondent reports.

        “America is a great power. Today is probably the only superpower. We accept it", Said the Russian president.

        https://lenta.ru/news/2016/06/17/obamathegreat/?utm_source=rnews



        Eat, beefy!
        1. Prisoner
          Prisoner 17 June 2016 22: 56
          +9
          You got excited. laughing What is sarcasm to be explained or useless? what
          1. vanavatny
            vanavatny 17 June 2016 23: 11
            +10
            several times a month titans of thought appear, unable to comprehend the simple fact that the level of mental activity of their spinal cord is not able to give us the opportunity to consider them creatures capable of meaningful dialogue, I think that this body is already on some kind of censor: tells like a brain power burned Putin's cotton wool. Well, here are some well-known couple of drorochs who are plus, there is a group of gray masochists on the forum who revel in regular minuses for their idiotic comments
          2. Red_Hamer
            Red_Hamer 18 June 2016 05: 04
            +1
            I think it is useless for those to explain, they know what "sarcasm" is, but for those the main thing is to pull it out of context and blow, most importantly, in the direction they need, now all liberals are exaggerating this "exaggerated sensation". But the poor overseas, to whom it was addressed, could, and take it at face value! Well, that's their business.
            "Halim Nikodim is proud of himself,
            Nalim Nicodemus Wearing a cap sable
            And before whom it does not break
            And he doesn't understand jokes either. "
        2. Tusv
          Tusv 17 June 2016 23: 12
          +5
          PUTIN EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM NUMBER OF SUPERPOWER

          I am a Russian dumkopff fanka, from the point of view of a western man in the street. But for some reason, Russian Vanya is not being held to possess the kingdom, when he has 99 halves and will not give it back. Not because he is greedy, but because 99 of his halves. The rest do not care.
          Threat. In pancake bent. This is so according to pradorub the thirteenth, doctoral defense in philosophy laughing
          1. vanavatny
            vanavatny 17 June 2016 23: 20
            +1
            yeah forget i'm at least an ear laughinghey by the way gray bones laughing calculate the minuses laughing was there you have one creative one: I almost brought the blue to trouble, thanks to the admins: Troll in the trash, me in a strict temporary ban
        3. NordUral
          NordUral 17 June 2016 23: 24
          +1
          Everything flows, everything changes. Don’t worry so much, my friend.
        4. Gurinov Nikolay
          Gurinov Nikolay 17 June 2016 23: 37
          +1
          Well, he, Putin, is right. With America we still can’t compete. And for a long, long time we can’t compete. If only in nuclear weapons. But there will be no winners. Well, even in local affairs. it would be better not to come to us!
        5. Denis Obukhov
          Denis Obukhov 18 June 2016 00: 58
          +9
          Quote: Pravdorub.358
          PUTIN EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM NUMBER OF SUPERPOWER

          Russian President Vladimir Putin admitted that he considers the United States to be the only superpower in the world at the moment. He made such a statement on Friday, June 17, speaking at the St. Petersburg International Economic Forum (SPIEF), the Lenti.ru correspondent reports.

          “America is a great power. Today is probably the only superpower. We accept it", Said the Russian president.

          https://lenta.ru/news/2016/06/17/obamathegreat/?utm_source=rnews



          Eat, beefy!



          Well, strictly speaking, he said it right. Russia does not yet claim the status of a superpower.

          Yes, and to itself such a title to assign a bad manners all the same. Too presumptuous. Let the states suffer.


          In order for the superpower to exist, it is necessary to carry out new industrialization. Try to reach the level of production at least in the USSR, and not pump oil and gas.
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      3. Alekseev
        Alekseev 17 June 2016 23: 03
        +16
        Quote: Denis Obukhov
        does not allow the Sukhoi Superjet 100 to be operated at small aerodromes with unpaved runways. And today there is a significant majority of such people in Russia. "

        What eyelids did passenger jet liners, albeit relatively small, fly from unpaved airfields ?!
        How it crashed from an oak ...
        They are, they say, in the Russian Federation "a significant majority."
        Well, let him list in what regional centers unpaved airfields. fool laughing
        And not even IL-114, but aircraft of the An-2, L-410 type, etc. should fly to regional centers and remote villages.
        In Brazil and Canada, if you look at the cooperation, probably the same Boeing and Airbus.
        Here is m pride. Some kind of Manilovism ...
        A regional plane will be, but not by magic.
        The main thing now is to provide not even technology, but solvent demand, it’s not a simple matter, too much is about ... and not only in the 90s, but also earlier.
    2. Tusv
      Tusv 17 June 2016 22: 47
      +6
      And there is not enough Will.

      Well, how would I personally know one of the team who licensed the superjet. Some 4 years did not accept did not accept, while others all insisted and corrected. Well, in general, those who issue a license cannot be overcome by political will alone.
      Superjet licensing steps:
      - Horror, Excrement - More or less - Buy me the island of Australia, then I will accept ...
      Standards for nefig.
      And regionals should be reusable. The country is like that. By the way, the Yak-40 is an amazing machine. You fly and feel like in a bus on an ideal freeway.
      That's what we have torn to shreds to Obama, so civilian aircraft industry
      1. NordUral
        NordUral 17 June 2016 23: 26
        -7
        For the jet project, that super-duper should be planted.
        1. Tusv
          Tusv 17 June 2016 23: 30
          +7
          Quote: NordUral
          and the jet project, that super-duper must be planted

          Of course! For this, civilian aircraft are built to take off and land repeat
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 18 June 2016 16: 34
            0
            Joker? This duper put our planes in an eternal parking lot.
    3. NordUral
      NordUral 17 June 2016 23: 23
      0
      It would be better if these "effective" were inactive on the Bogamy, to hell with them, a woman with a cart - it is easier for a mare. But really effective specialists restored our aviation industry, and indeed everything. And then one mat in the language of the deed with the country over the years.
    4. Vasiliy16
      Vasiliy16 18 June 2016 01: 42
      +6
      Blah! Blah! Blah!
      Quote: Signaller
      It turned out that the lower location of sufficiently large engines does not allow the operation of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 at small aerodromes with unpaved runways. And there are a large majority of such people in Russia today.

      maybe it’s better to make normal bands?
      According to this principle, it is not necessary to build roads, but it is better to produce SUVs.
      In the courtyard of the 21st century.
  2. Barakuda
    Barakuda 17 June 2016 21: 49
    +9
    In his youth, flew on the Tu-154 B-2. And he was pleased.
    IL-86 was so super.
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 17 June 2016 21: 53
      +16
      "It turns out that in the 25 years that have passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union, our government has not bothered to ask a simple question: what will replace these machines?"

      Not to the smallest detail to them. They are busy with others - how much money will remain for their grandchildren and great-grandchildren. We don’t eat it ourselves. Children abroad, real estate abroad, accounts abroad. How many problems, all this needs to be maintained. And then someone with some kind of aircraft ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 17 June 2016 22: 04
        +12
        Quote: Reserve officer
        Not to the smallest detail to them. They are busy with others - how much money will remain for their grandchildren and great-grandchildren. We don’t eat it ourselves. Children abroad, real estate abroad, accounts abroad. How many problems, all this needs to be maintained. And then someone with some kind of aircraft ...

        -----------------
        And don't say. Here the division of the country has not yet ended, they have not yet entered the West, they have not yet repented for Stalin. And you with some kind of "development of small aviation." Does the top manager have a turntable or Cessna? There is. What other small aircraft do you need? * hi
      2. Revolver
        Revolver 17 June 2016 22: 49
        +8
        Quote: Reserve officer
        They are busy with others - how much money will remain for their grandchildren and great-grandchildren. We don’t eat it ourselves. Children abroad, real estate abroad, accounts abroad. How many problems, all this needs to be maintained. And then someone with some kind of aircraft ...

        Those. as they said in politically correct America, "Sheriff's nigga problems don't ***." And sobsno what's the difference? Oligarch you for about niggaz oh sorry African Americans and keeps, and only considers himself good white people.
      3. Stas157
        Stas157 18 June 2016 06: 00
        +3
        Quote: Reserve officer
        "It turns out that in the 25 years that have passed since the collapse of the Soviet Union, our government has not bothered to ask a simple question: what will replace these machines?"

        So in fact they rubbed us that the market itself regulates everything! What the government needs in order to deal with financial flows, and everything else by itself should appear. That the invisible hand of the market will take care of everything! The fact that the main thing in the country is banks, and let the factories themselves fit into the market, decide for themselves which planes to build, and they themselves find money and buyers. And suddenly it turned out that without the state. Orders do not work, new models are not released. Foreigners invest only in our oil, and our oligarchs only in offshore. Airlines are only interested in foreign aircraft.
  3. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 17 June 2016 21: 55
    +12
    There’s a whole bunch of problems — the airfields are looted, the civilian aircraft industry at zero, which plane they didn’t decide to build .. All the responsible people around are walking around ... Without Stalin with a manager (Lavrentiy in the world in horror) Beria, no way ..
  4. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 17 June 2016 21: 55
    +18
    So what is IL-114 bad after all? Do not understand . Knowing what bands we have - with a jet plane for the regions we are tormented. And as for the tickets, it’s necessary to comb the local napoleonchiks, there are solid monopolists in proportion with governors and prosecutors. Why don’t they cut their lamb if there’s nothing for it? am
    1. Altona
      Altona 17 June 2016 22: 07
      +7
      Quote: iliitch
      . And as for the tickets, it’s necessary to comb the local napoleonchiks, there are solid monopolists in proportion with governors and prosecutors. Why don’t they cut their lamb if there’s nothing for it?

      ----------------
      That’s yes, they showed a documentary this morning that to Yakutsk from some local earthen airfield fly for money, as it’s only 800 km to Moscow. 12-15 thousand rubles are asked for a place in the An-2.
  5. Fofan
    Fofan 17 June 2016 22: 05
    +7
    It turned out that the lower location of sufficiently large engines does not allow the operation of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 at small aerodromes with unpaved runways.
    that they just won’t come up, if only not to build normal airfields
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  7. not main
    not main 17 June 2016 22: 07
    +3
    Yes, we had good Tu-154 and 134 cars! But for the sake of (I do not know to whom) they are forcibly removed from service without even having developed a resource! Now look who will occupy this market and the question (in whose favor) disappears by itself!
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 17 June 2016 22: 13
      +8
      Quote: non-primary
      Yes, we had good Tu-154 and 134 cars! But for the sake of (I do not know to whom) they are forcibly removed from service without even having developed a resource! Now look who will occupy this market and the question (in whose favor) disappears by itself!


      You have forgotten to mention IL-62. Great pepelats, with a beautiful gravitsapoy. True, for long-distance flights. He flew it in his cadet youth. From Moscow to Magadan - 8 hours, instead of IL-18 with its 18 hours of clean summer, not counting landings for refueling. And on the IL-14 had to fly to the regions of the Far East, and on the Yak-42, and even on the AN-2. But in fact, in my opinion, in the USSR, the YAK-40 and AN-24 were the best aircraft for local airlines.
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      2. siberalt
        siberalt 17 June 2016 22: 30
        +3
        The IL-62 is generally not quite medium-haul, but for international airlines. His flight range was up to 11500 km. Another thing is IL-18.
    2. Muvka
      Muvka 17 June 2016 22: 14
      +5
      Quote: non-primary
      Yes, we had good Tu-154 and 134 cars! But for the sake of (I do not know to whom) they are forcibly removed from service without even having developed a resource! Now look who will occupy this market and the question (in whose favor) disappears by itself!

      They eat a lot and often need to be repaired. Therefore, they remove it. Many years have passed ...
      1. Genry
        Genry 18 June 2016 00: 13
        +1
        And also, in an accident, the entire cabin burns out with passengers. Fuel lines from wings to tail burst and fill ... That's why, the best arrangement of engines is under the wing.
  8. Barakuda
    Barakuda 17 June 2016 22: 18
    +5
    My father from Uzin to Tu-95, sent to Cuba .. to see .. Tu-114 flew back (Moscow - Havana). Super was the liner. And fed the class.
  9. weksha50
    weksha50 17 June 2016 22: 18
    +10
    “There is an acceptable alternative solution. Why, for example, have you forgotten the famous Brazilian manufacturer of aircraft for various purposes, Embraer?
    In this case, our national pride would not suffer at all. Brazil so far is one of our most consistent friends overseas, near by the USA. Along with Russia, she is a leading member of one of the largest interstate associations. BRICS The Brazilian economy ranks seventh in the world, following the Russian one. What else does?"...

    Hmm ... When is the actual article written ???
    Brazil has openly pursued pro-American politics ... There are already enough facts, starting with the removal of RT broadcasting on state channels ... It is not known how else it will behave in BRICS, which had so much hope in the fight against Amer’s expansion ...
    In that case - what difference does it make, whose economy to help - the US, Canadian or Brazilian ???

    Own planes need to be done, their own ... And it was necessary - yesterday ... And until the state order followed with a carrot and stick in the form of a program for the development of small aircraft (not in words and paper, but in practice) - there will be no sense ...

    Lord, how I "love" our officials and boyars ... My teeth are gritting right ...
  10. Verdun
    Verdun 17 June 2016 22: 19
    +5
    We have enough strengths and opportunities, only political will and thoughtful business decisions are needed.
    As long as the country's legislation is sharpened in such a way that it is easier to rent out factory premises than to establish production, no one will apply these forces. An economy where a personal kick from the president is needed to solve any, even very serious problems, is not viable. projects are more important.
  11. Alex_59
    Alex_59 17 June 2016 22: 21
    +11
    Oh, these journalists ...
    You can recall An-2 and Po-2, Yak-40, later Yak-42
    Good company ... Can I remember 2? Then the Wright brothers’s plane is also needed here. What about the Yak-42? Airliner for medium-length lines on 120 seats. Where is An-24, L-410?
    only the Yak-42 still flies in some places, however, in the business class version
    Maybe, after all, the Yak-40 still flies somewhere in the business class version? Yak-42 still flies on passenger regular flights, 49 aircraft were in operation for the 2014 year.
    It turned out that the lower location of sufficiently large engines does not allow the operation of the Sukhoi Superjet 100 at small aerodromes with unpaved runways.
    It turned out? Author, you have it, and the SSJ was not originally intended for unpaved runways. This is a bus for the Zamkadovsk-Moscow lines. Duck, the airports in the regional centers are still concrete. Why lump it all together? If you are worried about unpaved strips, then there needs to be a replacement for the An-24 aircraft, which we really do not have, and will not be with such rulers, because the Il-114, which was planned for this back in the 90s, is still not being produced. And the SSJ is an aircraft of a different class, it is rather positioned as a replacement for the Tu-134 and Yak-42, but no one planned to operate these aircraft in a bad dream from the ground before.
  12. dr.star75
    dr.star75 17 June 2016 22: 23
    +2
    There is no alternative to the domestic aviation industry! Do you need further discussion?
  13. Bayonet
    Bayonet 17 June 2016 22: 25
    +2
    ". You can remember the An-2 and Po-2,"
    On-2 smile You can still Mozhaisky plane!
  14. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 17 June 2016 22: 30
    +1
    We have enough strengths and opportunities, only political will and thoughtful business decisions are needed.
    And a good kick from the Kremlin!
    1. Alex_59
      Alex_59 17 June 2016 23: 43
      +1
      Quote: x.andvlad
      And a good kick from the Kremlin!

      level up! And a good kick to the Kremlin before that!
  15. Prince of Pensions
    Prince of Pensions 17 June 2016 22: 35
    +10
    Quote: Pravdorub.358
    PUTIN EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM NUMBER OF SUPERPOWER[/ Center]

    Eat, beefy!

    And who are you? Passed by?
  16. thinker
    thinker 17 June 2016 22: 37
    +4
    There are such plans -
    ... in 2016, the Ural Civil Aviation Plant should assemble the first four L-410 aircraft. And most importantly, capacities should be created to localize production: by 2017, at the level of partial replacement for their own on-board equipment complexes. By 2019 - full replacement for its own BWC and the completion of the landing gear ("floats" to ensure the landing of the aircraft on the ground). By 2020 - remotorization, aircraft engine production in the cooperation of factories in the Sverdlovsk region.
    http://www.midural.ru/news/list/document84621/
    1. lwxx
      lwxx 17 June 2016 22: 54
      +2
      Did you fly on a cheburashka (l-410)? Maybe this is not a bad plane, but only for those who have not seen anything sweeter than carrots. Yak40 is much more comfortable and speed is higher, but for some reason they produce Czech crap. Maybe it's better to upgrade the box? So, probably, they lost all the documentation and there is no desire to produce their own. We need our own aircraft for short distances.
      1. Alex_59
        Alex_59 17 June 2016 23: 45
        +4
        Quote: lwxx
        So, probably, they lost all the documentation and there is no desire to produce their own. We need our own aircraft for short distances.

        Take more. Lost the factory that produced these aircraft. No more Saratov aircraft factory.
      2. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 17 June 2016 23: 58
        +6
        Quote: lwxx
        no desire to produce their own

        After the Yak-42 disaster (with the "Locomotive" on board), DAM announced that the aircraft would be purchased abroad.
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      4. siberalt
        siberalt 18 June 2016 01: 53
        +7
        Quote: lwxx
        Did you fly on a cheburashka (l-410)? Maybe this is not a bad plane, but only for those who have not seen anything sweeter than carrots. Yak40 is much more comfortable and speed is higher, but for some reason they produce Czech crap. Maybe it's better to upgrade the box? So, probably, they lost all the documentation and there is no desire to produce their own. We need our own aircraft for short distances.

        And where does the carrot? In the USSR, airplanes flew between regional centers at a distance of 50 km. There did not need a lot of passengers. 8-12 was enough. But they flew regularly, daily and on several flights, in case of passenger demand. YAK-40 aircraft flew mainly between regional centers. Even on the thundering AN-2, they were calmly kept for 30-40 minutes. The ticket cost was about double the fare for the same distance in the compartment of the passenger train and was really affordable for everyone, including pensioners and students.
        1. lwxx
          lwxx 18 June 2016 02: 10
          +1
          I'm talking about the fact that Cheburashka is not the best while the USSR was flying from An2 to 86. Therefore, I can compare, it’s better for me a yashka. An2 30-40 minutes is good, but at 410 and a half two hours, and still not in perfect sky, then pleasure.
        2. Stas157
          Stas157 18 June 2016 06: 35
          +3
          Quote: siberalt
          The ticket cost was about double the fare for the same distance in the compartment of the passenger train and was really affordable for everyone, including pensioners and students.

          This hour compartment in a train is more expensive than an air ticket. The railway is generally brutalized! Monopolists! In India, the same railway distances are 5 times cheaper, despite the fact that metal and electricity prices are world-wide everywhere!
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 17 June 2016 23: 15
      +2
      As recently as today, the issue was discussed in the news. According to L-410 they will seek localization in engines as well. ON ENGINES. This is important because They planned to release with overseas hearts.
  17. Barakuda
    Barakuda 17 June 2016 22: 41
    -2
    Vova Putin flies on an IL-96. And according to him - he will not allow to cheat the development. soldier
    1. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 17 June 2016 22: 53
      +8
      Valery, about the President of Russia and the VGK is not necessary so familiarly. It was not the liberals who gathered here, but for the most part the officers - active and reserve. In an officer meeting, such remarks would cost you dearly.
      You have been on the site for a long time, why is this teenage bravado?
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 17 June 2016 23: 01
        +5
        I agree, I won’t. Although Yushchenko and Yanyka I saw in sight - 300 m. Baby talk. And from the back, my people were ..
        Who needs - in PM.
        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 17 June 2016 23: 08
          +5
          I did not expect another answer. You did not disappoint me. Accept my respect.
          1. Barakuda
            Barakuda 17 June 2016 23: 32
            -3
            If you want, I don’t care, I can show (they can remove me) - tell me. But in private.
            For some, I am in place, and for others in Albania, South Africa, Easter Island .... Now I am in place.
            It’s just how cold it is to lie on the roof for 20 years on a ball .. and listen to the radio.
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        1. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 17 June 2016 23: 53
          +2
          Politeness and a sense of tact are also charged by age?
  18. APASUS
    APASUS 17 June 2016 22: 46
    +6
    Before you plan to revive the aviation industry, you need to sift through the entire government from lobbyists and crooks. There was a good plane and would go into a series, but someone doesn’t like it! Now, let's buy finances, build, think up anew.
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 17 June 2016 22: 58
      +1
      You Che, a bunch of burning Boeing show?
      Pavo - who are YOU?
    2. samoletil18
      samoletil18 17 June 2016 23: 24
      +3
      It's time to forget about him. As with Antonov machines, there is a Ukrainian trace there. Yes, and it is outdated, unfortunately, not born in the series. There was an article about five years ago, i.e. to the Maidan, and even then Ukrainian delays were no different from the behavior of the An-70.
      Send this photo to the Kharkov aircraft factory.
  19. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 17 June 2016 22: 56
    +5
    As far as I can tell, our aircraft industry has long disappeared, in our port only ATRs and Bombardiers fly and all with "theirs" numbers, that is, leased ones, UTair, Severstal and others fly on foreign cars, recently Gazpromavia decommissioned the Yak -42, at the beginning of July it will abandon the Tu-154, the well-worn Boeings and the few Dry SSJ-100s will be used. It's unfortunate ...
    1. dauria
      dauria 17 June 2016 23: 34
      +5
      our aviation industry has long disappeared, in our port only ATRs and Bombardiers fly and all have their numbers,


      You live in a curvy way - they fly ... We have a local IL-76 buzzing a couple of times a month (apparently, flying around the RTS) and silence. And the import is just passing through ... Oh, yes, the Ministry of Economic Development and Trade with an imported turntable "b .. the guys is rolling", tells everyone that he is examining the city for cleanliness and order. wassat An infection, even if the collective farmers were allowed to graze on the airdrome, all the benefits.

      Previously, every hour, civilians were buzzing over the house, then MIGari from the factory. Now, of all aircraft, fat gulls are in the trash, guzzling and screaming.
  20. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 17 June 2016 23: 32
    +6
    Civil aviation is a carrier. Commercial enterprise. He needs aircraft FAVORABLE. Which eat little and fly a lot. Reliable and with a large overhaul. With a wide service network throughout the country. Give such a plane, and better - not one. Carriers will come and take.
    IL 114 - albeit a low wing, but a turboprop, which means economical by definition, and is not afraid of a primer (it will not work to suck a stone into the turbine). For the memory - and the chic civil aircraft Li-2 and a series of IL-12, 14, etc. also were low-winged, and the devil flew where he knew from.
    Well, the new reincarnation of the An-2 Novosibirskaya - he generally sits on a "handkerchief". We need a deadline. They began to smell quite recently. You can't climb over such a ravine quickly ...
  21. aba
    aba 17 June 2016 23: 38
    +6
    people should not suffer from the inaction of effective managers

    Yes, no ... People do not suffer from managers, but from the system.
    Managers change as often as you like, but if the system is without social (real) life, then there will be no use.
    These are all consequences of the fact that many years ago it was decided that buying on the side is better than doing-suffering at home.
    But then it turned out that a democratic world, although corrupt, but first of all this very democratic one wants to sell not Russia, but Russia. In parts.
  22. samoletil18
    samoletil18 18 June 2016 00: 03
    +7
    This article is for Brazil?
    According to IL-114. Decision is made. About the low-wing freighter and with motors such as low: IL-12, -14 and some did not dream of concrete, they did not see them, except for the factory one. Air intake? We do not have Karakum.
    Brazilian Canadians. They do not always fly full, which again keeps the ticket price high.
    Not mentioned in article L-410. And work is underway on it. Moreover, with maximum localization, and the test base of a \ n Uktus was allocated.
    And to cling to SSJ, so this is just an appeal to the general opinion formed by the liberals with cheers-patriots. Its design began in pre-crisis times, when demand was only growing. He went into production when B and A began to worry. By the way, their localization is no better than that of the SSJ, on which the latter is working. Are the engines low? Look at the engine nacelles at B-737, they are straightened at the bottom so that they do not cling to the ground. And on domestic flights, they often, like the A-320, fly half empty, which for certain flights the SSJ does out of competition with them. Tu-334 time to forget. And this is not only because of the Maidan.
    I can throw your idea. More precisely, I will repeat the embodied plan of the great RUSSIAN designer O.K. Antonova. Make a truck and a liner right away, like An-10, An12. For service there will be a song.
    I minus an article, which I do extremely rarely.
    1. mark1
      mark1 18 June 2016 07: 10
      +1
      Finally, on the background of an empty chatter, there was a man who expressed the correct thought
      Quote: samoletil18
      Make a truck and a liner right away,
      ... The Il-112 is being developed in the interests of the Ministry of Defense (first flight in 2019), according to the original idea, it should have been both a transport operator and a regional airliner - everything seems logical, economical, harmonious and understandable ... But we have laws of logic and common sense traditionally do not work, so all sorts of IL-114 (this is at best) or the Brazilian-Canadian-Chinese variants are clearly paid for (this is where the law on corruption would be applied exemplarily). I also "minus"
      а
  23. dmmyak40
    dmmyak40 18 June 2016 00: 52
    +4
    IL-114 in the early 90s almost went to replace the Yak-40. For example, in our Elistinsky OJSC SKUGA, the commander of the Kelin detachment struck in Rostov the direction of new turboprops Ilov specifically to Elista. According to the calculations, the prime cost was supposed to decrease so much that the squadron would not only fully recoup its costs, but would also draw all other services with a profit.
    Alas, the collapse of the Union buried hopes for the development of local airlines. Yak, of course, was a good and reliable car, the fuel efficiency was not up to par. And the plane, of course, is just a song!
  24. pafegosoff
    pafegosoff 18 June 2016 01: 28
    +8
    Quote: Pravdorub.358
    PUTIN EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM NUMBER OF SUPERPOWER

    Eat, beefy!

    Firstly, this car trolling touches. The reception is not new, but annoying, like a mosquito, so you need to take everyone into service and bomb the enemy foreign sites tirelessly.
    As for the exclusion from superpowers. By and large, Russia in the superpowers was short-lived and conditional.
    Those. She did not have a superpower fleet, but others, except the USA, all the more so.
    There was financial independence, but all came out, thanks to all the Nikits, Lenas, Misham ...
    Khrushchev began to lose political independence (the Hungarian syndrome, then a quarrel with China after the 20th Congress of the CPSU), and Gorbachev ended with the surrender of all that is possible: as a result, NATO on the border with the Russian Federation.
    Now about takeoff weakness. The destruction of domestic aviation was similar to the current Ukrainian desovetization.
    In Russia, there was real external management. The KGB (FSB) was commanded by the CIA, the Foreign Ministry - the State Deputies, the military - the Pentagon, in finance - the Fed and the IMF. Berezovsky ruled over national security and Aeroflot, whose main advantage was: Obtaining Super Profits!
    Aeroflot was the only airline in the world to receive huge income in foreign currency in the absence of flights.
    Why do you need aviation at all when you can not fly and get paid for it? All branches and branches formed by regional airlines were immediately marked from Aeroflot. The newly created airlines, deprived of the advantages of a state-owned company, immediately began to cut off all non-profitable branches of international air routes (local airlines). Tens of thousands of qualified aviation specialists found themselves on the street. Due to the drop in air transportation and the demand for aircraft, aircraft manufacturing enterprises have stopped. See what the Smolensk aircraft plant is doing. And what did you do with the Saratov Automobile Plant? "You have to hit yourself on the back of the head ..."
    Y-yes ...
    Better, of course, late than never. But an alarming melody is heard in all this hubbub. The melody is a great game. Who is it? Try to figure it out.
    I knew aviation too well, beginning in the mid-1970s, to believe in the revival of regional aviation. They killed 25 years. Twice as much is needed for rebirth.
    You can promise anything. How Khoja Nasreddin promised the Emir of Bukhara to teach the donkey to speak. "The main thing is to promise, and then either the emir will die, or - the donkey, or - me."
  25. bovig
    bovig 18 June 2016 02: 04
    +4
    One thing is absolutely clear: people should not suffer from the inaction of “effective managers”, who, as they were, remain terribly far from the people of the country, which stretches from west to east for 11 thousand kilometers.

    The author, obviously, has not yet understood that for "effective managers" in this country there are neither people nor people ... There is only a POPULATION, existing in two forms: the object of taxation and the electorate! Why do you need "DIY regional aviation", if you don't drink a lot on it and a house in London, or an apartment in New York, you can't build a hotel in Cyprus? IMHO and a reason to put a minus for those who do not like the "bitter truth" ...
    Our "effective managers" are already in a torn from sanctions - they do not know how to bend and in what position to stand in order to please the West (judging by the statements irreplaceable Kudrina) ...
    Wait and see!
  26. Zomanus
    Zomanus 18 June 2016 04: 19
    +1
    Where is our aircraft specialist here?
    That's for me, so a regional plane should be high
    screw engines, omnivores. And so that such an engine could be serviced
    and renovated in any condition.
    And we just do not have such engines.
    We AN-2 Po-2 release with foreign engines.
    Our drones are also large with foreign engines, like training aircraft.
    The bottom line is that there is no domestic engine on which to make a regional aircraft for our conditions.
  27. cccr51
    cccr51 18 June 2016 04: 28
    +1
    The State Department must have ordered an article, though to a completely ignorant person. The aphthor has one bile for achievements and undisguised joy for failures. Such articles about 20 years ago were written by the well-known (now foreign) Kazlahs.
  28. cedar
    cedar 18 June 2016 06: 40
    0
    Quote: pafegosoff
    Quote: Pravdorub.358
    PUTIN EXCLUDED RUSSIA FROM NUMBER OF SUPERPOWER

    Eat, beefy!

    Firstly, this car trolling touches. The reception is not new, but annoying, like a mosquito, so you need to take everyone into service and bomb the enemy foreign sites tirelessly.
    As for the exclusion from superpowers. By and large, Russia in the superpowers was short-lived and conditional.
    Those. She did not have a superpower fleet, but others, except the USA, all the more so.
    There was financial independence, but all came out, thanks to all the Nikits, Lenas, Misham ...
    Khrushchev began to lose political independence (the Hungarian syndrome, then a quarrel with China after the 20th Congress of the CPSU), and Gorbachev ended with the surrender of all that is possible: as a result, NATO on the border with the Russian Federation.
    Now about takeoff weakness. The destruction of domestic aviation was similar to the current Ukrainian desovetization.
    In Russia, there was real external management. The KGB (FSB) was commanded by the CIA, the Foreign Ministry - the State Deputies, the military - the Pentagon, in finance - the Fed and the IMF. Berezovsky ruled over national security and Aeroflot, whose main advantage was: Obtaining Super Profits!
    Aeroflot was the only airline in the world to receive huge income in foreign currency in the absence of flights.
    Why in general aviation, when you can not fly, and get for that money?
    All branches and branches formed by regional airlines were immediately marked from Aeroflot. The newly created airlines, deprived of the advantages of a state-owned company, immediately began to cut off all non-profitable branches of international air routes (local airlines). Tens of thousands of qualified aviation specialists found themselves on the street. Due to the drop in air transportation and the demand for aircraft, aircraft manufacturing enterprises have stopped. See what the Smolensk aircraft plant is doing. And what did you do with the Saratov Automobile Plant? "You have to hit yourself on the back of the head ..."
    Y-yes ...
    Better, of course, late than never. But an alarming melody is heard in all this hubbub. The melody is a great game. Who is it? Try to figure it out.
    I knew aviation too well, beginning in the mid-1970s, to believe in the revival of regional aviation. They killed 25 years. Twice as much is needed for rebirth.
    You can promise anything. How Khoja Nasreddin promised the Emir of Bukhara to teach the donkey to speak. "The main thing is to promise, and then either the emir will die, or - the donkey, or - me."


    "Finally!
    I hear not a boy speak, but a husband. "
    A.S. Pushkin "Boris Godunov.

    "What is our life? Game!
    Good and evil are one dream!
    Labor, honesty - fairy tales for a woman.
    Who is right, who is happy?
    Today you, and tomorrow I!

    So give up the fight,
    Catch a moment of good luck!
    Let the loser cry,
    Let the loser cry! -
    Cursing, cursing your fate! ... "
    A.S. Pushkin. "The Queen of Spades"

    We pay, dear, for the defeat in the "cold" war, with all the consequences of this ... When we get tired of wiping ourselves off, then mobilization, reconnaissance, etc., and pour in the first number for everything "good", but for now we complain "Why am I I didn't squeeze, why don't I fly ..? and wipe ourselves off again.Sokil you to "help" ...
  29. NKVD
    NKVD 18 June 2016 07: 28
    0
    The author, what did you drink before writing the article? Yak-42D never heard what would be used in the business class version !!!!! Most of the fleet of Izhavia, Saravia, Groznyavia, consists precisely of the Yak-42D and is used for everyday air transportation of ordinary passengers. As for the SSJ 100, where do you have information that you were going to use it from unpaved airfields? Nobody was going to use it like that. As for the engine layout, I advise both the author and readers to read the material at http://superjet.wikidot.com/wiki:lowengines. In general, this aircraft is not for regional air transportation, but for short-haul flights.
  30. Nikoha.2010
    Nikoha.2010 18 June 2016 08: 22
    +2
    Yah you! My first jump looked something like this! And we also laid down (schoolchildren) parachutes for pilots of the 260th military unit of Stryi, Lviv region, Ukrainian SSR!
  31. da Vinci
    da Vinci 18 June 2016 10: 07
    0
    "But even at the design stage, the SSJ 100 was talked about with great fanfare as a competitive regional jet." Ponty is now the main indicator of an effective manager: orchestra, drummers, posters, buffet reception. fellow But there seem to be businessmen in Russia who are investing in the development of technological innovations, so why not give them the favored nation regime for building small aircraft (type AN 2), and for the result, give them a loan for development, but under guarantees. Let them build, let them create airlines for residents of remote regions, and let megaaviakorporatsii get scratched. wink
  32. gladysheff2010
    gladysheff2010 18 June 2016 12: 03
    +1
    It's a pity the author does not read the news about the adopted and implemented decisions in the construction of an air transportation system (http://leon-rumata.livejournal.com/3326345.html). Incompetence helps to agitate an unprepared reader, so to speak, "throw a stone into the water, so that circles let's go "-for self-promotion will do, but there is no room left for objectivity! Advice (sorry hi ): you need to read not only the magazine "Murzilka" and "Young Technician". Summary: stuffing and narcissism!
  33. ingenera
    ingenera 18 June 2016 12: 27
    0
    And again the question: where did those who approved this project look and consider such a model as a regional one? Who allocated huge amounts for its construction? Who calculated the commercial effectiveness and prospects? Now for this there is no one to ask.
    And what? have everyone died already? And there are no signatures with last names on the documents? You just have to want to ask.
  34. Ros 56
    Ros 56 18 June 2016 12: 44
    0
    I don’t understand what the conversation is about. Let's go in order. In addition to Moscow, St. Petersburg and other large cities and their companions, nowhere else does the people have money to move somewhere, especially on airplanes. People just simply, unlike us in Soviet times, have no money to take their children to the sea. And do not hell on this subject to rant. All my conscious life I was close to aviation, plus all my friends and students were connected with this issue. And I see what is happening. Just yesterday, a local ad ran around the box: training for An-2, Yak-52 and paratroopers, enrollment of 15 years, and paid tuition. Now remember how much a driver's license costs and estimate what it costs. And in our time, all this was FREE, if only there were brains and health.
  35. There are a lot of us
    There are a lot of us 18 June 2016 13: 44
    0
    As an exit for the first time - to order such a plane from them with the prospect of joint production.

    The author could limit himself to the above sentence.