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Dynasty of change

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For our age, China has enough internal problems.

Are the inhabitants of the Celestial Empire ready for a big war, for its deprivations and huge sacrifices? How consolidated is Chinese society, can it withstand the tension of a large-scale armed conflict? These questions seem to be relevant due to the stereotypes prevailing in our country.

Few people have doubts about a country with which Beijing is hypothetically ready to clash in a big way. You can do without Taiwan and a big war. The Celestial Empire is not yet ready for a confrontation with the United States, and the Americans are not seeking a serious confrontation with the awakened Dragon. Unresolved border disputes with India are unlikely to lead to full-scale hostilities. Russia remains. Alexander Khramchikhin, in a long-standing, but no longer relevant article, writes: “The significant territorial claims of the PRC to the Russian Federation have not gone away” (“China is ready for a big war”) and further cites data on large-scale PLA exercises with marches hundreds of kilometers, which makes sense Just preparing for an attack on the northern neighbor, because in Taiwan you don’t get to so much.

Crack and crack


The first stereotype: the Chinese society is consolidated, the positions of the ruling Communist Party are unshakable. Externally - yes. But only. In Chinese society, opposition is being formed. This topic was touched upon by Mikhail Khazin (“Idea for China”). Let me clarify: the opposition is not so much in relation to the CCP as such, but to politics, at the present stage carried out by its leadership. Namely: a part of Chinese society is discontent with the gap in the level of welfare of the population, which is a direct consequence of the market reforms carried out in the last decade. A significant share of economic profit is appropriated by political and business elites, numerous bureaucracy. The inability of the government to cope with corruption, despite tough measures, also causes discontent among the population.

Against this background, in the depths of the CPC, the so-called left opposition formed, calling for the redistribution of national income and social justice. Until recently Bo Xilai, former party secretary in Chongqing, was considered one of its leaders. Charismatic and influential, in the years of his youth being a former Hongweibin, he called for a return to the policy of the Cultural Revolution and advocated precisely for closing the gap in the level of welfare of the population. It cannot be said that Bo's proposals did not meet with support among a certain part of the country's political elite. Moreover, supporters of the former PRC leader Jiang Zemin saw him as the future leader of the Middle Kingdom. Now Bo is accused of corruption, removed from his post, expelled from the party and sent to prison. His wife was sentenced to death for the murder of a British businessman. But for us something else is important: the split in the CPC is obvious, and not on the basis of backstage internal party struggle, but because of serious disagreements over the further socio-economic development of the country.

The second stereotype: disciplined Chinese are politically passive, generally religiously indifferent, and therefore there is no significant opposition to the regime in the thickness of the people. From a political point of view, it is, but spiritually it is not. At the beginning of 90's, the Falun Gong movement appeared in the expanses of the Middle Kingdom, the creators of which define their goals as the achievement of moral and spiritual purity by a person. Today there are good reasons to see an extremist sect in the movement, not so much contributing to the harmonious development of the personality, as a crippling psyche. The book of the founder of the movement, Li Hongzhi, Zhuan Falun, is included in the Russian federal list of extremist materials. But this is not the case here: “Falun Gong” never declared its opposition to the CCP and did not claim the status of a political movement. But his very existence was an opposition to the ruling regime. In order, on the one hand, to understand its essence, and on the other - to see the reasons for the reasonable concern of the country's leadership, let us turn for comparison to the recent Soviet past. In 1981, Karate was banned in the USSR. One of the unofficial reasons is the consolidation of certain youth groups who did not share communist ideals, although they did not speak out directly against them. Some martial artists were even planted then, and karate schools were closed down.

Dynasty of changeEssentially the same with “Falun Gong” история. But there are much more adherents than practitioners of martial arts in the USSR at the dawn of the 80. Moreover, sociological studies conducted in China in 1999 showed that there are more Falun Gong followers than Communists. The ruling party’s response was extremely harsh: the movement was outlawed, as were its followers. However, the repressions had the opposite effect: they gave rise to a multi-million opposition within the country, perhaps invisible in peacetime, but during disasters, especially military conflicts, that could destabilize the situation. It is unlikely that supporters of the "sect" will defend the regime, accused them of persecuting adherents of the movement, and even torture them.

Another aspect of China’s social and economic life that needs to be taken into account is urbanization. It is expressed not only in the growth of the urban population, but also in the active migration of labor. Professor of Economics at Peking University and the Chinese Academy of Social Sciences Fan Gan cites official statistics, according to which, in percentage terms, the level of urbanization in the PRC at the present stage reaches 48 percent. The data is impressive, because 30 years ago, this figure was only 18 percent. During this period, Fan Gang stresses, over 300 of millions of Chinese have moved to the cities. Urbanization in China is specific - it is enough to call the system hukou, limiting the mobility of the population. But still a citizen, especially in a large metropolis, in terms of mental attitudes is different from the villager. It is partly de-traditionalized, more prone to hedonism and comfort, and as a result, less willing to serve in the army. Accordingly, an increase in the pace of urbanization may well lead to a decrease of those who wish to serve in the PLA. At the present stage, the picture is different: a surplus of draft resources allows the country's leadership to recruit the army, including under contract, selecting the best in its ranks. But will it always be like this? Remember the USSR again: at the beginning of 80's, it never occurred to anyone to mow off the service, and even more so be proud of it. Only ten years have passed and the situation has radically changed. And yet: the growth of cities is the spread of the Western model of civilization with its benefits and vices, which the Chinese leadership is very concerned about. More recently, the Communist Party directly stated the danger of the spread in the country of Western European democratic values ​​that are alien to the Chinese mentality and traditions.

East is a common thing

Briefly about the attitude of the Chinese to the Russians at the household level. According to the testimony of people who have visited or visited the People's Republic of China, it is ambiguous in the north, especially in the border areas. Many people know Russian there, if not all. Quite a few Chinese have business relations with our compatriots, among whom a large percentage of “shuttle traders” with a very low level of culture. The Chinese accuse them of drunkenness and rudeness. But overall, the attitude towards Russians is not bad. The situation is different in the south of the Celestial: the view there is rather neutral, almost no one knows Russian, but a significant percentage of the citizens speak English to some degree. And the “white man” in the south is associated more with an American than with a Russian. But what is interesting: almost all of our compatriots in contact with the Chinese in their homeland, note that the latter do not see Russian enemies. And as you know, any war is preceded by appropriate propaganda, the creation of an image of the enemy. Nothing of the kind is happening in the PRC in Russia.

The media speaks and writes about the northern neighbor in a rather benevolent tone. Moreover, a number of Chinese experts emphasize the ability of their country to help Russia get rid of the raw material nature of the economy, to assist in the restoration of agriculture. Perhaps this phrase will cause ironic smiles: yes, “help” - creeping occupation of the Far East. But one should not exaggerate the scale of Chinese migration to the region - analysts show that it is much more of a problem for visitors from Central Asia than from China. It should also take into account the interest of Chinese migrants in political and economic stability in the Far East, the rejection of the transformation of the lands they are developing into a war zone.

Another question worth dwelling on is what is written about Russia in Chinese school and university textbooks. It is appropriate here to cite a message that flashed in the news: During an international student conference in Altai, one of the teachers suddenly found out that in Chinese history textbooks the territory of Western Siberia up to Tomsk is considered "temporarily lost." To the surprise of a Russian student, her colleague from China calmly replied with such a passage that the Chinese are a growing nation and sooner or later she will come here anyway.

Uigurs living in the Xinjiang Uygur Autonomous Region do not pose a real danger to the integrity of China. But in the event of a military conflict with a contiguous country, the situation may radically change. It is important to emphasize that this area is of enormous strategic importance to China, being the largest energy base, where a quarter of China’s oil and gas reserves is concentrated. Sunnite Uighurs who practice Islam are 45 percent of Xinjiang’s population.

Battle experience they have. In 2000, Russia issued two Uygurs to the People's Republic of China, captured in Chechnya. According to the assessment of the head of the strategic planning service of the Association for Cross-Border Cooperation, Alexander Sobyanin, “the pressure of the surplus population in Xinjiang has always been very great. Families of China's Turks are traditionally large, so no one even tried to spread the well-known “one family - one child” policy to XUAR. But the requirement to have no more than two children per family here is hosted. High fertility leads to unemployment. Today, part of the Uigur youth, who have not found a place in their homeland, are secretly leaving China to join the ranks of Muslim terrorists of all stripes. ” The Uigurs are fighting in the ranks of the IG banned in Russia. Write about this and the Chinese media. Uygur separatism, and even associated with the IG, is a real threat not only for China, but also for Russia, Kyrgyzstan, and Kazakhstan. Sobyanin writes: “However, Uygur plans in Central Asia represent a more serious danger to Russia, which the Uyghur“ fighters for independence ”still refer to as“ the territories of Western Turkestan annexed by the Russian Empire ”.

The separatist organizations of the Uigurs are associated not only with the IG, but also with Al-Qaida. In the article “Analysis of the historical aspects of the Uygur issues”, Deputy Director of TsATU - Director of the Central Asian direction Tokhtar Tuleshov and expert of the Association of military political scientists Boris Pluzhnikov, in particular, noted: Uighurs from Xinjiang Uygur region calling for war against the Chinese authorities. The corresponding video message was published on one of the Islamist sites. Al-Libi declared to the Uighurs practicing Islam that it was time to return to his own religion and to seriously prepare for jihad in the name of Almighty Allah. In addition, he appealed to Muslims around the world to help the Uighurs. Al-Libi threatened the Chinese government with attacks that would be carried out as revenge for the Uygur clashes with the police. ”

Obviously, in the event of a war with Russia, for the PLA it would be strategically expedient to strike in the direction of a militarily weak Kazakhstan. But this will lead to the fact that the southern flank of the Chinese grouping, as well as its communication, inevitably comes under attack by Islamists based in Xinjiang too.

And another point: at the same time as building up the military and economic potential, there will be a transformation of Chinese society. What is the result? The stoicism of the Chinese in the face of adversity, their indifferent attitude to death is well known. Examples from the history of the distant and not very much. But times change, and along with them the behavioral models of society, its mental attitudes are transformed. In any case, a big war is unthinkable without the consolidation of society and the ruling elite. And here again, not to recall an example from the Soviet past: on the eve of the Second World War, the Fifth Column, headed by the real enemies of the people: Tukhachevsky, Yakir, Uborevich, etc., was destroyed. If they remained at key posts, the USSR would have been destroyed or victory over the Reich Got an even more expensive price.

Preparing for a big war is not measured only by the presence of military equipment, its quality and the training of personnel, it directly depends on the willingness of the people to bear the burden and deprivation, and in the case of the Russian-Chinese conflict - to accept the use of nuclear weapons. Even the surplus of the male population, which the Chinese leadership may be ready to bring to the altar of victory, does not at all indicate the desire of the Chinese themselves to die at the front. At one time, Hitler underestimated the degree of resistance of the Soviet people. The result is known.

In addition, you need to understand that successful economic reforms have a downside. Let us again turn to our domestic experience and recall the era of Alexander III. The pace of economic development of the country was the highest in the world, as its population grew rapidly. Outwardly, everything was more than good. But even then, this progressive movement touched erosion, which was reflected in the crisis of ideology, the disintegration of the triad “Orthodoxy. Autocracy. Nationality ". The transformation of mental attitudes (in other words, the secularization of consciousness) of all strata of society has made the population, if not alien to this ideology, then in any case indifferent. The same with the USSR - the collapse of the country was preceded by a crisis of the communist system of values.

Yes, outwardly China is united, but undercurrents can become a time bomb in its development.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 16 June 2016 18: 38
    +5
    probably not everyone was watching, I recommend for general development, do not take it seriously, but you should pay attention ...
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    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 16 June 2016 19: 17
      +12
      Thinking about it is of course always right. Looking at what to think about ... During the time that this issue of Besogon (35: 01) lasts, the territory of China turns into a fused quartz. The fact is that N.S. did not lie, he, as usual, misled. A demon in the details. And the little things are:
      1- The fact of the matter is that our territory is laid out in many time zones, and the ACS, when they receive a signal about an attack on the Strategic Missile Forces, lead the General Staff to a full battlefield.
      2- At the fifth minute of this opus, it is said about the amphibious assault in Vilyuchinsk and Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, so they will come up in five minutes? Or again a la "Armageddon with a drunken astronaut"
      3- And why the 3 of January, and not the FIRST !!! - were afraid that with a big hangover we would generally roll up to Australia?
      The entire script was written "based on the eighties" completely without taking into account modern realities.
      And most importantly, China is a country with a very strict subordination to a specific official !!! And with the loss of such a vertical, management "on the ground" is disrupted to the stage of chaos. All this is also true for the army. I think that further there is no need to consider the pearls of such a person as far from the Armed Forces as N.S.
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 June 2016 20: 05
        +2
        Quote: NDR-791
        3- And why the 3 of January, and not the FIRST !!! - were afraid that with a big hangover we would generally roll up to Australia?

        On the 3rd of January, since the "hangover" there is no one ... the law of nature ... everything is "in the sleigh", you understand that everyone knows about the "front-line 100g", but here it is New Year, that is, no less "kg" on "snoutsoul "-who will take the risk ??? ours will even sweep away at least someone without putting on shoes, and for a spoiled holiday,"
        will show "by the way .. am
      2. Dart2027
        Dart2027 16 June 2016 20: 14
        +2
        Quote: NDR-791
        The fact is that N.S. did not lie, he, as usual, misled. A demon in the details.

        Actually, the script of the film is described here, which Mikhalkov was offered to shoot. Seeing this as real leadership is pointless.
        1. Blondy
          Blondy 17 June 2016 07: 46
          +2
          In general, the scenario may be more real than many imagine. We do not have very popular theses of Deng Xiao Ping's doctrine, which is one of seven stages (the Chinese like to number everything), but I remember something like "concentrate, accumulate strength, get ready and jump." So, it seems to me that Kitvey is at the stage of "getting ready." And most importantly, China is now not at all the same as it was under Deng Xiao Ping.
      3. cap
        cap 17 June 2016 02: 35
        0
        Quote: NDR-791
        The entire script was written "based on the eighties" completely without taking into account modern realities.
        And most importantly, China is a country with a very strict subordination to a specific official !!! And with the loss of such a vertical, management "on the ground" is disrupted to the stage of chaos. All this is also true for the army. I think that further there is no need to consider the pearls of such a person as far from the Armed Forces as N.S.


        Tongue removed. +++
    3. vlad66
      vlad66 16 June 2016 19: 43
      +20
      . And here again we can’t recall an example from the Soviet past: on the eve of World War II, the “fifth column” was destroyed inside the Red Army, headed by the true enemies of the people: Tukhachevsky, Yakir, Uborevich, etc. If they had stayed at key posts, the USSR would have been destroyed or the victory over the Reich got an even more expensive price.

      They are obliged to remember history, only our 5th column in the person of all Dvorkovichs, Shuvalovs and other bureaucratic brothers feels great, not to mention the red-haired Chubaiser, in the case of pah, pah, pah, a sheher will be immediately taken prisoner to enemies. request
    4. weksha50
      weksha50 16 June 2016 20: 32
      +5
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      do not take seriouslybut it’s worth paying attention ..


      Hmm ... frivolous perception does not work ... In general, I always considered Nikita a snob, but here ... a cry of the soul and pain for the fate of the Fatherland ...

      PS And this scenario at the beginning ... damn it, and after all the frost on the skin went ...
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 June 2016 20: 47
        0
        Quote: weksha50
        Hmm ... frivolous perception does not work ..

        Zhora! Schaub I lived like that! these scriptwriters, they don't understand nichrome in the army! I am begging you! Chinese in Vilyuchinsk! Come on! they cut the map across the Urals, and our General Staff is all sitting on treason! Are you seriously sweating from this "scenario"? urgently to the kitchen-100gr and bainki! -will help! yes
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 16 June 2016 21: 26
          +4
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          Are you seriously sweating from this "scenario"?


          I’ve sweated, but not from the whole scale ... But there is a share of something that makes us think ...

          And it's true, I listened to this scenario, went and waved cognac 100 grams ... Poleshalo ...

          PS But after all, frost on the skin comes not only from the script, but also from our corruption ... And after all, Nikita correctly says - and WE - where ???
          1. cap
            cap 17 June 2016 02: 37
            +2
            Quote: weksha50
            Quote: Andrey Yurievich
            Are you seriously sweating from this "scenario"?


            I’ve sweated, but not from the whole scale ... But there is a share of something that makes us think ...

            And it's true, I listened to this scenario, went and waved cognac 100 grams ... Poleshalo ...

            PS But after all, frost on the skin comes not only from the script, but also from our corruption ... And after all, Nikita correctly says - and WE - where ???


            And I'm vodka drinks
      2. russkiy redut
        russkiy redut 16 June 2016 21: 43
        +1
        May the Chinese never fight with us while we have nuclear weapons! You just need to always remember that there are no eternal partners in the geopolitics, there are only interests.
        1. boforss
          boforss 17 June 2016 15: 53
          0
          May the Chinese never fight with us while we have nuclear weapons! You just need to always remember that there are no eternal partners in the geopolitics, there are only interests.

          Never say never. China also has nuclear weapons, technology is behind, but they are working on it.
    5. 34 region
      34 region 16 June 2016 21: 47
      +9
      Yurevich! 18.38. Mikhalkov of course the director! Russian flag in the foreground! Order on the lapel, icons on the back, telephones on the side! Entourage his boyfriend in the board! China's attack scenario is pretty childish. The movements of his troops will not remain a secret. Then war is also an economy. It’s cheaper to buy than to conquer. As the survey showed at the end. And if we talk about the expansion of China, then we must talk about the venality of our elite. Why was June 22, 1941 sudden? Guns from aircraft and locks from guns were completely accidentally removed! And here it was completely by chance that they were leased or sold. We will resist !? And why do not we resist economically? Therefore, here the question of reliability (venality) of our government is more likely to be raised. Judging by the desire to sell and rent everything, I don’t see the desire of the authorities to resist, to keep the defense. And after such actions there will naturally be no offensive. Therefore, we must not talk about the attack of China. It is simply pointless when it is economically cheaper to buy local power. Here we must talk about the impotence of power. And ask: What have you done and achieved at your post? What are the results of your leadership? Result of leadership, depressed region !? Dear! Yes, you just stupidly lost ground to the enemy! And if the result of your work is a depressive region and you are a millionaire, and you are patted on the shoulder with a smile! Then there is a state conspiracy. Or will we then talk about the insidiousness of China? Or about the corruption of power? What is primary? China's deceit or corruption of leadership?
    6. Evgen2x
      Evgen2x 17 June 2016 10: 20
      0
      MLRS PLA range 400 km ??? !!! Mikhalkov even bent, our "Smerch" 120 km maximum speed (well, maybe I'm wrong, and China has a miracle of Katyusha who cherakat on half a thousand km) so it's not worth this video, everything is built on a volley of MLRS, which miraculously destroys almost all grouping DVO. Further more interesting)) The artillery of China figurites on the floor of Siberia in the depths !! We would have such a Tsar cannon!) Then, forgive me, he didn't look anymore)

      Andrei Yurievich plus set, laughed, the video is funny)
  2. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 16 June 2016 18: 40
    +6
    In half a century, the Chinese will simply carry out a creeping expansion and our entire Far East will sail away from Russia! You can’t lease our lands to the Chinese, you can’t follow their lead at all, it will take several years and the Chinese will change their rhetoric-territorial claims to us !
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 June 2016 19: 19
      -2
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      In half a century, the Chinese will simply carry out a creeping expansion and our entire Far East will sail away from Russia!

      formally, we can agree with you, BUT, take the states, pieces of "Chinatowns" have not gone anywhere, yes, there are their own rules, but everything fits into the country's way of life, (maybe I'm wrong, let a "revolver" or another forum user will explain to us the "gray", about the "annexation" by the Chinese, America. although .... recourse
    2. APASUS
      APASUS 16 June 2016 19: 43
      +4
      Quote: Exorcist Liberoids
      In half a century, the Chinese will simply carry out a creeping expansion and our entire Far East will sail away from Russia!

      These are just the plans of hot Chinese goals!
      1 In fact, Russia is covering the rear of China from American bases from the North.
      2 Russia has unexplored natural wealth, which may well be of interest to Chinese industry.
      3 The world is full of states where regimes are much weaker and very easy to sell. For example, Africa is full of states where you don’t need to conquer anything, which China actually does. Total investments are more than American, in fact, a couple of countries already belong to the Chinese.
      1. Asadullah
        Asadullah 16 June 2016 21: 29
        +4
        These are just the plans of hot Chinese goals!


        Yes, there are no hot goals in China. There are nationalists, that is Kuomintang, who are mainly concentrated in Taiwan, although they have several offices in the Central Committee of the CPC. But they are more active and active in Hong Kong (Hong Kong). Saying that the Chinese are eager for the North means one thing - to know nothing about the PRC and the Chinese in principle. Such statements denote an absolute zero knowledge. All Chinese people dream of living in the South, from which the government creates a lot of economic preferences for residents of the north and west. Starting from Shanghai and ending with Shenzhen, here is a Chinese dream. Both in Shanghai and in Guangdong, local nationalism flourishes, where northerners and newcomers do not like in general, and not only Europeans and other whites carry the word laovei. It’s not without reason that the saying “leave the march to the North” is under three thousand years, which means to leave and disappear forever. They even have the window of the needy facing north. And here is nonsense about expansion.

        And the author of the article, argues like a mother-in-law on pancakes, with a toothpick in her teeth. What an ass in the ass! What to oppose? In the ranks of the CCP with each other? Poor versus rich? Do not tell the slippers of old Abram. There, any poor person wants to become fabulously rich and any beggar knows for sure what to do. From there work seven days a week and gambling, a brownie Chinese book in essence. About the rest, even too lazy to write .....
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 17 June 2016 00: 27
          +2
          Quote: Asadullah
          What an ass in the ass! What to oppose? In the ranks of the CCP with each other?

          And here I do not agree with you. There is a struggle of elites, precisely at the level of the CPC Central Committee. Here is a link to a post from Vzglyad http://vz.ru/world/2015/9/17/766416.html There are a lot of materials on this subject. You are right in many ways, except for the struggle of the elites.
          1. Asadullah
            Asadullah 17 June 2016 14: 08
            +1
            There are a lot of materials on this subject.


            Translation issue. The struggle of the elites, in our understanding, should reflect the proportion between right-wing extremism and left-wing opportunism. In the CCP, the question of "elites" is absent in the understanding we imagine. Imagine spilled mercury on a dish, which, for unexpected reasons, can collect in drops, at first glance breaking ties. On the Chinese "dish", these drops, large cities, even of one province. In each such city "its own elite" is formed in the city Central Committee and reports to the Center on many indicators, but the main one, the economy. The controlling bodies are assembled from those who have ever claimed a place in the city Central Committee, they are, as it were, the very "fighters" of the elites, watching every wrong step or mistake, claiming to take their place. That is, the process is controlled from above and essentially mercury droplets merging or separating, easily changing shape. Special attention should be paid to the jurisdiction of such organizational issues, but this is a very long conversation. hi
        2. INTA_VEGA
          INTA_VEGA 17 June 2016 14: 02
          +1
          Quote: Asadullah
          In the ranks of the CCP with each other

          Well, the struggle of the elites and the opposition movement are quite different things. The leaders of the CCP are trying to fight for their place in the hierarchy, but this does not have to lead to the emergence of alternative ideas for development.
    3. 34 region
      34 region 16 June 2016 20: 27
      +3
      Banishing liberoids! 18.40. This question cannot be answered unequivocally. We (Russia) sell a lot of things to foreign companies. Like we sell unprofitable, as a bonus we create competition between Western companies, another plus, we get money in the budget, plus modern technologies ... All this, of course, is so. Therefore, talking about the monopoly of China is probably not worth it. Here the question arises more, why are they, and not us? Why are we losing economic positions without a fight? Why can they, and who is stopping us? Why do not we resist economically? Why is it necessary to sell something to someone? But what about our valiant oligarchs? Why don't they resist? Where is ours, let’s you go ...? We will do it ourselves and better! That's the problem. We ourselves, voluntarily surrender our economic position. After all, China does not take from us by force. We ourselves rent and sell everything. Why is no one talking about this?
      1. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 16 June 2016 20: 55
        +4
        Quote: Region 34
        After all, China does not take from us by force. We ourselves rent and sell everything. Why is no one talking about this?

        they said ... about 7 years, greenhouses to the horizon ... just now they realized when these "bryusyls" began to "drag the earth" into greenhouses from the surrounding area - their own (ours) burned down! from their chemistry, turned into a set of chemical elements without organic matter, red and dead ... but ...
      2. russkiy redut
        russkiy redut 16 June 2016 21: 39
        -1
        Nationalization of the Central Bank, Glazyev’s plan to implement. We must also take into account the interests of our oligarchs, who are quite influential!
  3. Teberii
    Teberii 16 June 2016 18: 40
    -1
    East is a delicate matter, as soon as the leaders changed, they immediately removed the old top. And it’s very tough. The population of China is not even. In many ways, it’s even very poor. Therefore, the leaders of the PRC are well aware that they cannot endure a large war economically.
  4. NDR-791
    NDR-791 16 June 2016 18: 43
    -1
    Celestial Empire is not yet ready for a confrontation with the USA, and the Americans are not striving for a serious confrontation with the awakened Dragon. Unsettled border disputes with India are unlikely to lead to full-scale hostilities. It remains Russia.
    And we, therefore, are striving? Well it is, for starters. And who got the head that China is eager to fight with us ???
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 June 2016 19: 23
      +6
      Quote: NDR-791
      . And who got the head that China is eager to fight with us ???

      Well, if you rewind not far back to Damansky, then your question will seem stupid ... do you think everything is "formatted"? yes to hell, the Chinese remember everything and learn, so you can't sleep with your mouth open, they'll shove something ...
      1. NDR-791
        NDR-791 16 June 2016 19: 46
        +8
        Shove in, shove in, don't hesitate! I go to the Sayan Mountains every winter every year, so more than once I went on trains "for the whole carriage, we alone with my sidekick and a conductor." So they go by carriages to Omsk, Chelyabinsk, but then I personally did not see. but even in those cars they have tight control - "Mandarin" goes with them (with an interpreter) and steers the process, so "The Liberoids Banner" is right - creeping expansion, not war!
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 June 2016 20: 25
          +3
          Quote: NDR-791
          they go by cars to Omsk, Chelyabinsk, and then I personally haven’t seen any further.

          Further, I saw Ekat, Perm, Mlyn, I did not see further either ...
      2. lex locis
        lex locis 17 June 2016 12: 09
        0
        China is big.
        And there are plenty of people there. There are many who are good. There are many of those who look at you and expect that you, like under Stalin, will do something completely free of charge: "You are a great country, you are our friends forever, so you are like real friends to us have and this and that, and we will respect you for that ... "They probably think, like the Ukrainians and the Bolts, that we owe them and owe them the very fact of their desires ..

        And there are those that you immediately remember Damansky ... Once I was sitting in their restaurant (and in Russian - in a tavern), so a pretty old Chinese (I, too, am not a young Russian), so when he realized that I was Russian, so I looked, I looked ... True appetite did not spoil me, on the contrary ...
  5. sisa29
    sisa29 16 June 2016 18: 49
    +17
    Personal observations. He visited factories in China, talked a lot, drank a lot together. A very warm attitude to the Russians. In Europe and the Arab countries is not so. The Chinese are quite sincere and hospitable. They have an equal attitude towards the Americans. They respect Putin very much, consider him very firm and decisive, and want to have the same leader. But the Japanese hate fierce hatred.
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 June 2016 19: 36
      +4
      Quote: sisa29
      Personal observations

      there is no need to confuse people and governments, these are different hypostases, and the army obeys unquestioningly, not to your "friends" in the factories with which you drank. so a little, turn on your brains ... you can happily "thump" with the Poles, Romanians or Hungarians, BUT, they are in NATO, you know what I mean? but China doesn’t need anyone, neither NATO, nor "Warsaw" ... no one at all! he is on his own, everything is enough for him. and sometimes it seems that strong countries, the army is increasing for "themselves" ... (there are such thoughts) the same states - the territory is washed - from either side the AUG will keep the entire population under "protection "!!! Not so? No "Apaches" will dare to "rebel". will surround themselves with AUGs, and through and through the whole territory will be under control. no?
      1. sisa29
        sisa29 16 June 2016 20: 04
        +4
        Dear, why did you decide that my brains are off? Did I enlist the faithful friendship of the leadership of China and Russia? I think I just described the attitude of ordinary Chinese to the world around them. And for the advice to turn on the brains and thump with the Poles, thank you. I have the honor!
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 16 June 2016 20: 34
          0
          Quote: sisa29
          Dear, why did you decide that my brains are off? Did I enlist the faithful friendship of the leadership of China and Russia? I think I just described the attitude of ordinary Chinese to the world around them. And for the advice to turn on the brains and thump with the Poles, thank you. I have the honor!

          I am very glad that you, Honor have, "das ist gut" - as our "partners" in the Second World War say ... but how can you judge the people by one village? (I understand, roughly, but in fact, right) once again for the gifted: the people, the army and the government are not the same thing. but don’t thank the advice, it’s free, from the heart ... PI / SI: (at the end of the booze, don’t forget to hang "lighting devices" under the eyes of the pshek - otherwise, we will not understand ... yes )
    2. weksha50
      weksha50 16 June 2016 20: 39
      +2
      Quote: sisa29
      A very warm attitude towards the Russians.



      It will not be the Russians with the Chinese who will fight, but the political "elite" of these countries ... Although by the hands of the people ...

      During the Second World War, not all Germans were fascists, but they just came by order to our land and killed our people ...

      And the fact that China is now going to create about 10 military bases in Africa does not mean that the neighboring territories of Russia, Mongolia, and Kazakhstan are not interested in it ...
    3. aksakal
      aksakal 16 June 2016 22: 04
      +2
      Quote: sisa29
      But the Japanese hate fierce hatred.

      - in southern China - Guangzhou is not quite the case. There, on the contrary, the Japanese are loved, this region is under the Yapan cultural influence. There, a mediocre-looking peasant who did not enjoy such great success with women at home, they did not give me a pass to Guangzhou, confusing it with a Japanese. And they started talking, traditionally starting with "Nehao!", Later specifying whether I was "japanese"? laughing Others glittered with eyes and hatred at my wife with hatred, thinking that she was a Chinese woman, who for some reason was so undeservedly lucky laughing My wife fought back as best she could "Nehauo, I don't understand you! And in general you are like that!"
  6. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 16 June 2016 18: 57
    +2
    The Chinese will arrange a creeping occupation for us, that's a fact. But to rush - no, they are leisurely. Rather, with nippons, they will cling to 8 Senkaku stones with all the ensuing.
    Unless the option is to have three superpowers, two and three of which will divide prey (before the Urals and after the Urals) ... So the purchase is not ours yet and we have not announced a minuscule, if figuratively.
    1. NDR-791
      NDR-791 16 June 2016 19: 25
      0
      There is a Chinese hand. How can you say something about China that does not correspond to the party's policy, so you can get a minus !!! I've always been in the minuses on the "Chinese Articles" ...
      But nevertheless, what reptile persists in the inevitability and necessity of the Chinese attack on us? (Well, except for N. Mikhalkov)
    2. Revolver
      Revolver 16 June 2016 19: 35
      +1
      Quote: iliitch
      Unless the option is to have three superpowers, two and three of which will divide prey (before the Urals and after the Urals) ... So the purchase is not ours yet and we have not announced a minuscule, if figuratively.

      At the oasis, when it seems like everyone is for himself, you can also fly up the hill.
      1. iliitchitch
        iliitchitch 16 June 2016 19: 46
        0
        Quote: Nagan
        At the oasis, when it seems like everyone is for himself, you can also fly up the hill.


        Come on, even with the "meat" on the hand, you can bounce back on the third. Fatalism is the key to success. hi
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 16 June 2016 19: 53
      +2
      Quote: iliitch
      Rather, with nippons, they will cling to 8 Senkaku stones with all the ensuing.

      I think they will "catch", but non-contact, the Jap is small on the ground, but twice (more than) more than us in population, and the army for the region, so ... it will do. Not "Kwantung" of course, but they can drive them under the gun " lemon ", but we do not ... we have one defense:" vigorous loaf! "So, it is more profitable for China to engage in economic battles than real ones ...
    4. razmik72
      razmik72 16 June 2016 21: 15
      +2
      Quote: iliitch
      The Chinese will arrange a creeping occupation for us, that's a fact. But to rush - no, they are leisurely. Rather, with nippons, they will cling to 8 Senkaku stones with all the ensuing.
      Unless the option is to have three superpowers, two and three of which will divide prey (before the Urals and after the Urals) ... So the purchase is not ours yet and we have not announced a minuscule, if figuratively.

      But the point is to grapple with japs ​​over several islands, one might say, bare rocks. The idea of ​​capturing Mongolia by China looks more rational.
  7. samarin1969
    samarin1969 16 June 2016 19: 09
    +3
    A good balanced article ... Looking at China, you can see the mirror problems in Russia (army, patriotism, urbanization).
  8. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 16 June 2016 19: 11
    +2
    "The inability of the incumbent to deal with corruption, despite tough measures, also causes discontent among the population."
    In spite of not tough measures, it also causes discontent among the population.
    "Against this backdrop, a so-called left-wing opposition has formed within the CCP, calling for a redistribution of national income and social justice."
    We also have a similar apposition.
    "In the early 90s, the" Falun Gong "movement appeared in the vastness of the Celestial Empire, the creators of which define their goals as the achievement of moral and spiritual purity by a person."
    We have enough sects of our own.
    "urbanization. It is expressed not only in the growth of the population of cities, but also in the active migration of the labor force."
    And we also have foreign migrants waiting for another hour. Etc.
    No need for mines in the neighbor’s yard, God didn’t offend us either.
    And cleaning the fifth column, it is always relevant (this is what you need to start with, otherwise China, China ...).
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 16 June 2016 19: 39
      +4
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      And the cleaning of the fifth column is always relevant (this is what we need to start with

      Actually relevant, but this requires Stalin and Beria. Stalin, alas, under a stone slab on Red Square, and it does not rise. And where Beria lies, no one even knows.
      1. Al1977
        Al1977 17 June 2016 12: 07
        -1
        Quote: Nagan
        Actually relevant, but this requires Stalin and Beria. Stalin, alas, under a stone slab on Red Square, and it does not rise. And where Beria lies, no one even knows.

        Yes, we are unfortunately not lucky to live in the era of Stalin-Beria.
        I can imagine how many denunciations I wrote, it’s a pity that now you can’t shoot a person on a piece of paper .. Because of this, the whole mess
  9. Reptiloid
    Reptiloid 16 June 2016 19: 54
    +5
    There was somehow a transmission saying that Chinese enterprises broke off our supply contracts, copying our equipment at the same time. They lied, dodged, acted as they liked, due to violations, while smiling. So they probably always will. Crawling expansion is for them the very thing.
  10. Revolver
    Revolver 16 June 2016 20: 03
    +2
    Yes, China is full of domestic problems. But if the authorities decide to look for solutions to internal problems outside, they will not be the first to do so.
    As for the benevolence of the population towards the Russians, this is transient. I remember the times when there was a consensus here at VO that Ukrainians are a brotherly people. I imagine it would be like then for the word "ukropitek" is not something that would be minus - in the skull would be driven. And now this word is the right way to gain a rating, especially for those who have no other means. And this relationship, as I understand it, is mutual. So the Chinese, if they persistently explain to them that "the mosque ate their bacon and drank their vodka", will also draw conclusions, and faster than many people here think.
  11. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 16 June 2016 20: 34
    +3
    The presence of CNW guarantees China's "quiet" behavior in any case. They know that Russia will not be measured against them with "pussy", but will immediately get the "trunk".
    Attempts of the Chinese dragon to "puff out its cheeks", giving out unrealistic performance characteristics of their wunderwafels, and speak of his lack of confidence in his abilities. Some kind of Dunfeng 41, which has a solid fuel energy better than liquid! Take our word for it! These are fighters of the 5th generation (as many as two!), Which cause irrepressible smiles from our aerodynamics, with engines from the Il-76, since even the Al-31 could not really communicate. Or ATGM - shooting "beyond the horizon" out of line of sight of the target ... But you never know.
    No, their leadership soberly assesses both the potential of their army and its ability to win ... or rather, the lack of this ability. What victories the PLA has won in its entire history. The "squeezing out" of the Kuomintang to Taiwan can be considered such a victory only "in tightness."
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 17 June 2016 00: 25
      -1
      Yes, in general, the Chinese, including their most illustrious commanders, won the battle only in the internal squabbles. And a little external enemy, they received it like this in the wort, such as eternal terpils. Another thing is that they absorbed and within a few generations Sinanized conquerors. Although probably with carriers of a strong culture, such as the Japanese, this would not have happened. The Japanese treated the Chinese with undisguised contempt. What can I say, when there were not enough Japanese women in the soldier’s brothels, they began to go there, whom they lured with money, whom, they say, forcibly, to recruit Korean women. And the Chinese, who would have been much cheaper, disdained. So the Chinese were lucky that the United States and the USSR sorted out with Japan.
  12. Skubudu
    Skubudu 16 June 2016 20: 45
    +2
    Do not believe these dogs, they will only make you laugh in order to pull out your golden teeth (s)
  13. faterdom
    faterdom 16 June 2016 21: 24
    +1
    The question is interesting - who and why are they trying to convince us of the directly fatal inevitability of a war with China? Who is the script palm off Mikhalkov? Who palms such a thought in all our forums (I don’t know - maybe in Chinese too)? Kua Wadis?
    So after all, everything seems to be clear - to whom! And the Chinese love us, as they imagine from "How the Steel Was Tempered" or "The Dawns Here Are Quiet". It is an honor for them to become related with the descendants of Russian emigrants in Harbin.
    But in no way they can respect (could you?) The crowd of semi-chewy "helpers", the officials whom they buy, and those like Pavlov's dog salivate at the sight of money. Politicians who deny and curse their own great history.
    They are just interested in the re-created strong Russia, which will not allow brazenly using brute force to establish a "new order" and take away the hard-earned economic primacy from China.
    I think, even in the long term, China will be a source of "Russians" who will continue to develop and build the Far East as part of the Russian Federation, will consider themselves Russians, serve in the Russian army, speak and think in Russian, and they will not allow them to enter the region no Chinese. Well, the cut of the eyes is a matter of taste, because there is no GOST for the primordially Russian face.
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  14. Coffin Cross1
    Coffin Cross1 16 June 2016 22: 05
    -1
    Putin pumped China with Russian weapons for the most I do not want. The talent and work of the older generation of the USSR, which created military equipment, was sold to the Sinists. And the loot sawn oligarchy.
  15. Zomanus
    Zomanus 17 June 2016 00: 06
    0
    Well, what, we do not give resources to China?
    We do not give of course, but they are ready to sell.
    Which is what we are doing in general. We help with arms, sell and develop together.
    So China is comfortable with us so far and there is no talk of an attack on us.
  16. F.Vastag
    F.Vastag 17 June 2016 05: 34
    +2
    The link of the author of this article to the Odious Caveman Anti-Kitaist KHRAMCHIKHIN (who fancies Anti-Chinese Hysteria in almost every Opus and tries to Set the Russians (Russia) and Chinese (China)) is already says a lot (this is the same as referring to Z Brzezinski - trying to present it to Pisanin - as the height of "Objectivity and Non-bias" in relation to the USSR and Russia. We did not intend (seriously) to fight China even in the 1960s-1970s (when Khrushchev caused all relations and ties with China to be interrupted ), moreover, our Missile Complexes and other weapons (for the air defense of Vietnam) were supplied through Chinese territory (transited) - if everything was so bad, the MAO would simply not have allowed the transport of weapons for Vietnam through China (so in the Victory of Vietnam in the war ) there is (indirectly) and Chinese aid (after all, China was and remains Red, and Not Pro-American (like Japan Taiwan Thailand or South Korea). China is not going to fight with Russia now (and later), as it understands thatwithout Russia to him (surrounded by American Satellites, Kholuyev and Puppets) against the States - Not to Survive. (The Americans (with their direct support) already tried to arrange a Color Coup in China in 1989 (through students) - but it did not work out (Jiang Jimin reeled the local White Ribbons on the tracks of Chinese tanks) Our Russian Chief, Eternal and Indomitable Enemy has always been WEST (NATO, STATES, Hypocritically-Lying EU (Europe), a bunch of Liberal Fat "Financial Cats" -Groot (Rothschilds, Rockefellers, etc.) from Beldergberg: "Club 300.", and not the East (China). The West would be I am very glad - to push their foreheads against Russia and China in the Bloody Carnage (so that they Weaken or destroy each other), since the West itself (with its own hands) Burning Chestnuts from Fire - I’m Not Used to Getting It (and such "Authors" of this note (like Igor Khodakov ) or Khramchikhin - and act (play) on the Hand of the West and their Gangster "World Community" - which do not need: Neither Russia, nor China on the political Map of the World (in Their Western Liberal (Monitarian) understanding of the World Order ("Pax Americana") - as they see it)
  17. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 17 June 2016 07: 12
    +1
    Quote: Coffin Cross1
    Putin pumped China with Russian weapons for the most I do not want. The talent and work of the older generation of the USSR, which created military equipment, was sold to the Sinists. And the loot sawn oligarchy.

    And where to go? Either sell weapons to China, or lose industry and country. A lot of defense enterprises survived in the late 90s only by selling technical documentation to China for their products through state structures. He then received a salary from that money, and then, with a delay of 5-6 months. But please note that the documentation that we sold them for huge money at that time was for completely obsolete products. If desired, they could buy all this in the form of textbooks for university students, which were sold for a penny in the city's bookstores. And Putin didn’t organize all this fucking thing; then nobody knew about him at all then.
  18. ghby
    ghby 17 June 2016 07: 31
    +1
    Quote: NDR-791
    Thinking about it is of course always right. Looking at what to think about ... During the time that this issue of Besogon (35: 01) lasts, the territory of China turns into a fused quartz. The fact is that N.S. did not lie, he, as usual, misled. A demon in the details. And the little things are:

    It’s also worth comparing the physical map with the political one and understanding how stupid China’s full-scale invasion of us looks.
  19. INTA_VEGA
    INTA_VEGA 17 June 2016 15: 26
    +1
    Convicts of the war with China can be called pests.
    Yes, the PRC is growing into a strong player in the international arena, a strong competitor in certain sectors, but a direct military conflict with Russia is nonsense.
    What is the basis of this conflict?
    We have no disputed territories and conflicts of interest. They found common points even in the region of Central Asia (the Chinese market in Kazakhstan, Kazakh labor, resources and transit for us).
    The thesis about Siberian bins so necessary for China does not withstand competition if, as Comrade advises. ghby, just see the resource map of the world and population density. China has VERY many of its resources in an area where virtually no one lives. Most Chinese live along the coast in the east of the country. Their vast plain expanses are mastered maybe a little better than our east. And where should they climb until they have all plowed and obtained their own?