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French experts on urban tactics

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The French newspaper "Le Point" published a rather interesting interview "La guerre urbaine, c'est la victoire de la conduite sur la planification" with two French experts in the field of combat operations in urban environments: Frédéric Chamaud and Pierre Santoni (Pierre Santoni). They are professional soldiers and teach in the Center for Preparing to Fighting in the City (Center d'Entraînement aux Operations en Zone Urbaine - CENZUB) of the French Army in the Sisson military camp. They recently published a related book: "L'Ultime Champ de bataille. Combattre et vaincre en ville" (Pierre de Taillac, 224 pages, 24,90 euros).

Our blog publishes a shortened version of the interview, available online on the website of the newspaper.

Why do you call war in the city "the final battlefield"?

Pierre Santoni: At all times, warlords tried to choose a battlefield where they could fight the enemy. For several centuries, the army in large numbers fought in the field. If not to take the Trojan War as an example, the cities were first of all taken with the help of a siege. Behind the line of the city wall there was practically no fighting, because as soon as the enemy took up fortifications, the besieged surrendered, and the city was often looted.


British soldiers patrol in Basra, 2003 year (s) bobshepherdauthor.com

Frédéric Chamo: To date, the residential area is a “leveler of technology”. This is the battlefield where the enemy can consider himself equal to the modern army, based primarily on technology. In France, in particular, a city in the 19th century could become a source of urban uprisings, but not a clash of equal forces. The use of the city as a battlefield is a relatively new phenomenon. We attribute the birth of this phenomenon to the war in Spain in 1936 and the Sino-Japanese war 1937.

Why do you write in your book that from the point of view of the war in the city of Stalingrad is a “myth”?

PS: First of all, it became a myth thanks to literature and cinema. From our modern point of view, it should be noted that the forces involved in the battle reached a staggering size. Moreover, we believe that this battle was not fought well, especially by the Germans, who rushed headlong to the Soviet positions. They had not learned the lessons of Madrid that had taken place several years earlier. In reality, the victory did not happen in the city. With the operation “Uranus”, the Russians succeeded in a bypass maneuver, a maneuver for the environment. But the outcome was not in the city, although Stalingrad remains the “mother of all the battles in the city,” primarily representing the fierce resistance to the Third Reich.

You mention the very difficult physical and psychological conditions of the modern battle in the city, and you believe that there is nothing more like the trench battles of the First World War. Why?

F.SH .: In the course of a battle in an urban setting where the soldiers are face to face, first of all, the infantrymen and sappers are never far apart. We do not insist on bayonet fighting, but those who fight are people, not missiles or unmanned vehicles. Fighting in urban settings refers to all the basics of war. He leads to a new discovery of maneuver and duel.

You mention the battle for the Iraqi Basra in 2003, emphasizing that the British who fought there were the most competent in urban battle science, thanks to their experience in Northern Ireland. Could you explain?

PS: The British army had over thirty years of experience in fighting in urban conditions in Northern Ireland. If we talk in terms of tactical skills, relations with the civilian population, the application of the strategy of fighting in urban environments, unique competences were demonstrated, which were again demonstrated in Basra. Original approaches to training and instruction could be noted, which allowed soldiers to foresee a hostile reaction, for example, avoiding the movement of civilians. The British were the NATO army with the greatest experience in conducting this kind of hostilities. Let's not forget that improvised explosive devices appeared in Northern Ireland in 1972, and this year the army used engineering armored vehicles in Belfast, during Operation Motorman. In 1990's they were faced with a sniper war by the IRA. It was then that they developed what we call micro-tactics: the format of movement in a hostile zone, the creation of a special uniform, such as, for example, made from Gortex fabric, etc.

But at the same time, you show that the experience of the British soldiers was not enough in Basra

PS: The British were faced with very serious problems, losing soldiers and armored vehicles, which were burned. Despite the fact that at that time the British were the only ones who had special training, close to training in fighting in the city.

F.SH .: But they were faced with a level of violence that exceeded their expectations. But they responded well, not allowing themselves to be absorbed. For this reason, we explain that the residential area is not very difficult.

And you advise the soldiers who participate in such combat actions to use “hooligan methods” when meeting with unforeseen circumstances.

F.Sh .: We are talking primarily about “hacker skills” that allow you to penetrate where it should be: it is a mount, an ax, a knife for chopping ice, a shovel ...

You mention Mogadishu in 1993 year, which led to the failure of the US-led coalition. Is this the worst-case scenario, but at the same time the most realistic, which the French army may face in the future?

PS: In the 1993 year in Somalia, the armies that took part in the operation came out of the Gulf war, during which tactical success was very impressive. In Somalia, the humanitarian mission began to pass not very successfully, with an extreme level of violence. Let's not forget that the Italians who took part in the battle at the Pasta checkpoint faced the most difficult battles for them after the Second World War. And the French from the 5 Interspecific Expeditionary Regiment (5e RIAOM), led by Colonel Saki de Sanne (Saqui de Sannes), also faced fierce accompaniment, which the French have not had to deal with, perhaps since the wars of Indochina and Algeria. We want to say that every city, every case is unique. This is a victory of action over planning.
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  1. tiredwithall
    tiredwithall 15 June 2016 15: 32
    +33
    In strategic tactics: "The use of the city as a battlefield is a relatively new phenomenon. We attribute the birth of this phenomenon to the Spanish War in 1936 and the Sino-Japanese War of 1937."
    As if there were no battles in Carafagen, BC, in the 19th century in the cities of Spain under Napoleon, Paris and Vienna barricades ... In general, the guys still need to pick up more complete material. Far to offset.
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    2. siberalt
      siberalt 15 June 2016 15: 40
      +75
      Let the French better talk about the tactics of breaking into the hotel rooms with Russian guns with machine guns to Russian football players (although the police were there, but still). And then they will talk about the tactics of surrendering to the Nazis without a fight in Paris and how to become, after that, among the winning countries in World War II laughing
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 15 June 2016 15: 42
        +12
        Quote: siberalt
        on the tactics of surrendering to the Nazis without a fight in Paris

        There was no book "L'Ultime Champ de bataille. Combattre et vaincre en ville" yet. smile
      2. igordok
        igordok 15 June 2016 21: 25
        +4
        Quote: siberalt
        And then they will talk about the tactics of surrendering to the Nazis without a fight in Paris


        The French say goodbye to the soldiers of De Gaulle.
        With tears in his eyes, but without weapons in his hands.
      3. Altona
        Altona 15 June 2016 21: 32
        +13
        Quote: siberalt
        Let the French better talk about the tactics of breaking into the hotel rooms with Russian guns with machine guns to Russian football players (although the police were there, but still). And then they will talk about the tactics of surrendering to the Nazis without a fight in Paris and how to become, after that, among the winning countries in World War II

        ------------------
        I cannot put elementary order at Euro 2016. Pissing out of fear of British ultras, still trying to teach others. I read 2 paragraphs about Stalingrad, I realized that the article was junk. Any schoolchild will write such "analytics" who can write essays on a given topic.
        PS "Extreme level of violence" - what kind of animal is this? And the Wehrmacht and SS did not use extreme levels of violence against Soviet citizens. Syklo frog, fucking analyst.
      4. GSH-18
        GSH-18 16 June 2016 00: 50
        0
        French experts on the tactics of fighting in urban environments

        Not experts, but expedders, so it will be more true.
    3. avt
      avt 15 June 2016 16: 56
      +6
      Quote: tiredwithall
      In strategic tactics:

      Well, so they have a great-oh experience strategic times of World War II. wassat They even accepted Keitel’s surrender bully
      Quote: siberalt
      . And then they will talk about the tactics of surrendering to the Nazis without a fight in Paris
      Well, after they surrendered Parisiek without a fight and .... a year old, complete after four Germans ..... they plagued them before surrender .... without any urban battles like Stalingrad. bully So Monsieur knows a lot about what he writes.
      1. Igor39
        Igor39 15 June 2016 17: 56
        +3
        But I didn’t tell you about Hoabin and Dien Bien Fu in Indochina. smile
        1. i80186
          i80186 15 June 2016 18: 17
          +3
          Quote: Igor39
          But I didn’t tell you about Hoabin and Dien Bien Fu in Indochina.

          About Hue and the Americans, he also kept silent. winked
        2. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 15 June 2016 19: 05
          +8
          about Hoabin and Dien Bien Fu in Indochina didn’t tell

          Well, Duc there seems to be no fighting in urban conditions. And in general, if you ask this question directly to the French "experts" (I wonder in which troops they served before teaching and whether they served at all, I will not say anything about the combat experience), they will answer you that in the Valley of Clay Pots a foreign a legion, in which there were no French, but there were ... rightly the Germans, who had previously been beaten more than once, and all sorts of colonial units, including Arabs who were incapable of combat, and there were no French (at least there were no regular units of the French army), otherwise if there was a real French army, it would have asked the Vietnamese. If only the latter could catch up with the paddling pools.
          In general, whose cow would bellow, and the Gallic one would remain silent. Since the time of Napoleon Bonaparte, the French have not been able to carry out a single military campaign, let alone victories. The victory of the coalition in the Crimean War does not count - there they (the Europeans) fought with military units far from the best in powerlessness, technically backward (alas!) In that historical period of Russia. During the imperialist war, the same coalition represented by the Entente for a very long time could not cope with Germany, which was significantly inferior to it in strength and economic potential, even when the latter remained practically without allies (however, even before that, there was little hope for Austria-Hungary and Turkey, not to mention already about Bulgaria). And the "exploits" of the Gauls in the next world war are well known. In short, these "experts" are quite worthy of the "heroic" traditions of their army.
    4. Mitek
      Mitek 15 June 2016 18: 17
      +8
      Right first phrase rzhach causes. French experts about fighting in the city ... how to give up chtoli?
      1. Altona
        Altona 15 June 2016 21: 37
        +3
        Quote: Mitek
        French experts about fighting in the city ... how to give up chtoli?

        -----------------
        Paris surrendered, and for the Reich Chancellery "Charlemagne" fought all the way. They love to lie under someone, then under the British, then under the Germans. De Gaulle died and France "died".
    5. redeemer
      redeemer 15 June 2016 20: 15
      0
      maybe remember budapest? ...
    6. GSH-18
      GSH-18 15 June 2016 21: 45
      +3
      Quote: tiredwithall
      In general, the guys still need to pick up more complete material. Far to offset.

      Yes, I agree with you. The author is flawed. From our history of the Great Patriotic War: 900 days of the siege of Leningrad, present-day St. Petersburg. For the first time, the Germans faced such formidable prowess, unwaveringness before the enemy, the will and hatred of the invaders.
      While:
  2. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 15 June 2016 15: 38
    +36
    "In reality, the victory did not take place in the city."

    Burn, experts, in reality, according to their logic, the victory took place in Berlin.

    "The British Army had over thirty years of experience in urban combat in Northern Ireland. In terms of tactical skills, civil relations, urban combat strategy, unique competencies were demonstrated, which were again demonstrated in Basra."

    Here is a comparison! belay Fights with the IRA and with regular troops.

    "the creation of a special uniform, such as made from Gortex fabric

    I wonder how Gortex fabric could help in urban battles? request

    "we explain that the residential area is not very difficult."

    This is yes, if with the help of the Air Force it is razed to the ground and not bother about the civilian population.
    1. yehat
      yehat 15 June 2016 16: 41
      +14
      Quote: Vladimirets

      I wonder how Gortex cloth could help in urban battles? [/ b]

      the enemy sees the fabric and, blinded by the splendor of what he saw, cannot pull the trigger
      good
      1. aiw
        aiw 15 June 2016 18: 30
        +3
        No, the form of gortex helps when the diaper is full ...

        In fact, at night in an ambush / in bad weather, the gortex should be good. But what exactly did he ask them for the city, I don’t understand ...
  3. Andrey K
    Andrey K 15 June 2016 15: 40
    +36
    French experts on urban tactics...
    Probably respected experts, I don’t know request
    Know the tactics. Talk about Stalingrad, Mogadishu, Basra ... No.
    But ... JOKLMN ... What the hell is French tactics, they in Marseille suffered two days of pogroms of the British negative
    After the subjects of her Majesty, they robbed lyuley from several Russians and cried - they could not detain any of the Russians laughing
    What kind of experts, what cities. It all starts with little things. They are at home, at home, in their city, in greenhouse conditions - they could not catch unarmed foreigners (not knowing the area), they could not stop the riots, they could not protect local entrepreneurs and residents request
    What tactical innovations, they in generalcan teach someone negative
    1. Asadullah
      Asadullah 15 June 2016 15: 52
      +7
      Probably respected experts, I don’t know


      smile The attitude of the Americans towards their allies-paddling in Afghanistan is indicative. Marina refuses not only possible joint operations with the French, but even interaction on the air. For them, the French army, as well as the legion, sucks. There are swear words for the rest, and after them come the French, this is something that does not need comments.
      1. Monos
        Monos 15 June 2016 18: 07
        +17
        Quote: Asadullah
        There are swear words for the rest, and after them come the French, this is something that does not need comments.


        I have not encountered amers, but I think they are all there still experts.
    2. Alexanast
      Alexanast 15 June 2016 15: 53
      +16
      They simply became afraid that if ours dispersed, they would chase the subjects so that they would run across the English Channel ... laughing And on the way inadvertently they will take Paris ... wassat So to speak, the genetic memory will wake up.
  4. Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 15 June 2016 15: 42
    +13
    Hug and cry: "The British Army had thirty years of experience in urban combat in Northern Ireland."
    Do not confuse God's gift with fried eggs! In Northern Ireland, pains are not fights in cities, but well-planned and daring sabotage actions from the IRA against British soldiers and police.

    Want to learn how to fight in a city? Ask how to do this from the Syrian army and the Kurds. In my opinion, they are now the most professional in this field. And the French (except the Foreign Legion and Special Forces) did not particularly fight anywhere.
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 15 June 2016 16: 09
      +16
      Quote: Corsair0304
      And the French (except the Foreign Legion and Special Forces) did not particularly fight anywhere.

      Well, why, fought.
      Légion des Volontaires Français (LVF) (LFV); sometimes the Legion of French volunteers against Bolshevism, abbr. LFV) - an infantry regiment formed in France and took part in hostilities on the Eastern Front of World War II on the side of Germany.

      3000 foreheads, in the Wehrmacht - the 638th infantry regiment. They got starships near Smolensk and near Moscow, after they fought against the partisans in Belarus (apparently also not very successful).
      Subsequently, they were included in the SS and were used in the same way as the rest of the ice - as a guard.
    2. Siberia 9444
      Siberia 9444 15 June 2016 17: 11
      +12
      Want to learn how to fight in a city? We have our own blood-stricken school in the battle in Stalingrad. 62 army of Vasily Ivanovich, which became the 8th Guards, which reached Berlin.
      1. Number 17
        Number 17 15 June 2016 17: 27
        +3
        Gold words. Blood and 8 guards. You are a plus from me.
  5. Kibl
    Kibl 15 June 2016 15: 45
    +6
    And the custodians about street fighting, to put it mildly, 0000000 !!!!!! Unarmed Russian fans drove their special forces like hares !!! But God forbid the Russian fan to give a sapper shovel in his hands .......
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 15 June 2016 15: 52
      +8
      Quote: KIBL
      Unarmed Russian fans drove their special forces like hares !!!

      There was no Mahacha with the police, only the gobbled-up Englishmen threw themselves at the police.
      1. Alexanast
        Alexanast 15 June 2016 16: 18
        +10
        Probably smart enough not to bring the Russian fans to the state of "Your Power ... mother" laughing And who knows how it would end ... And without any tactics and strategies wassat
  6. pigkiller
    pigkiller 15 June 2016 15: 56
    +13
    How long would this expert have been enough in the battles in Grozny, Donetsk, Uglegorsk, Damascus, Aleppo? He compared police operations in Ulster to modern combined arms combat in an urban stagnation.
    1. Verdun
      Verdun 15 June 2016 16: 09
      +19
      Quote: pigkiller
      He compared police operations in Ulster to modern combined arms combat in an urban stagnation.

      That's just it, that these, if I may say so, "Experts" are trying to compare the Battle of Stalingrad, in which the forces of the regular army were involved on both sides with aviation, artillery, tanks, and city battles against even partisans, but rather - gangs in the same Somalia. If in Mogadish, Somalia or Basra the war had been waged by the same means and methods as in Stalingrad, everything would have ended very quickly. At the same time, it is rather strange to hear that the operation in Stalingrad by the Germans was conducted "not very well" from the citizens of the country that was defeated by Germany in a month.
      1. bovig
        bovig 15 June 2016 18: 24
        +5
        Quote: Verdun
        Quote: pigkiller
        He compared police operations in Ulster to modern combined arms combat in an urban stagnation.

        That's just it, that these, if I may say so, "Experts" are trying to compare the Battle of Stalingrad, in which the forces of the regular army were involved on both sides with aviation, artillery, tanks, and city battles against even partisans, but rather - gangs in the same Somalia. If in Mogadish, Somalia or Basra the war had been waged by the same means and methods as in Stalingrad, everything would have ended very quickly. At the same time, it is rather strange to hear that the operation in Stalingrad by the Germans was conducted "not very well" from the citizens of the country that was defeated by Germany in a month.

        PS: First of all, it became a myth thanks to literature and cinema. From our modern point of view, one should be aware that the forces involved in the battle reached staggering proportions. Moreover, we believe that this battle was not very good, especially by the Germans, who rushed headlong into Soviet positions. They did not learn the lessons of Madrid that took place several years earlier. In reality, the victory did not take place in the city. With the help of Operation Uranus, the Russians succeeded in a roundabout maneuver, a maneuver for encirclement.

        Yes, of course, 250 days of the defense of Stalingrad mean nothing, victory was achieved outside the city ...))))) And the confrontation of the regular army (which won all of France in a month), storming the city for 250 days, this is no experience urban fights!)))) This conclusion is enough to understand that reading a book of such experts is a waste of time. It’s interesting what idiom will pay a fee to such scribblers!))))
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 15 June 2016 19: 44
          +1
          Quote: bovig
          Yes, of course, 250 days of the defense of Stalingrad

          Sevastopol.
          The whole battle in the region of Stalingrad lasted from August 1942 to February 1943
      2. cap
        cap 15 June 2016 18: 52
        +2
        Quote: Verdun
        That's just it, that these, if I may say so, "Experts" are trying to compare the Battle of Stalingrad, in which the forces of the regular army were involved on both sides with aviation, artillery, tanks, and city battles against even partisans, but rather - gangs in the same Somalia. If in Mogadish, Somalia or Basra the war had been waged by the same means and methods as in Stalingrad, everything would have ended very quickly. At the same time, it is rather strange to hear that the operation in Stalingrad by the Germans was conducted "not very well" from the citizens of the country that was defeated by Germany in a month.


        They made fun of the French, but I would say "cool article" and the book is probably kept in the same spirit.
        Again the professor recalled with an explanation about the full member and the correspondent member, using the example of a dog pack, so both authors did not even grow up to the correspondent member.
  7. SHOCK.
    SHOCK. 15 June 2016 16: 00
    +3
    "The sky with a sheepskin" have not seen, bastards?
  8. hirurg
    hirurg 15 June 2016 16: 01
    +8
    Ndaa !!! The French fought a lot, and especially in the cities. Stalingrad is a myth, thanks to literature and cinema !!! Compare Stalingrad and Madrid? There are no words.
    Survived!
    Americans teach Ukrainians to shoot from Soviet RPGs.
    French police can not cope with football fans, and also in the city. I will not talk about other schools of late.
    But experts open their mouths. Question for what?
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 15 June 2016 16: 18
      +14
      Quote: hirurg
      Stalingrad myth

      Stalingrad defended longer than all of France, damn it, Pavlov’s house defended longer than all of France.
      Experts are figs. lol
      1. hirurg
        hirurg 15 June 2016 17: 51
        0
        Read carefully the Stalingrad myth, thanks to literature and cinema !!! , I’m in A..Ue myself, but this follows from the article.
        Have you ever read the article?
        1. Gray brother
          Gray brother 15 June 2016 17: 56
          +2
          Quote: hirurg
          Read carefully the Stalingrad myth, thanks to literature and cinema !!! , I’m in A..Ue myself, but this follows from the article.

          The French knew this 200 years ago, when the Russian Army surrendered Paris without a fight. laughing
      2. bovig
        bovig 15 June 2016 18: 48
        +1
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Quote: hirurg
        Stalingrad myth

        Stalingrad defended longer than all of France, damn it, Pavlov’s house defended longer than all of France.
        Experts are figs. lol

        + This is to the very point! What is called - in the bull's-eye!)))
    2. yehat
      yehat 15 June 2016 16: 43
      +8
      actually forgot about the capture of Berlin. colossal military operation
      some wrecked tanks were 1300 in the Red Army. According to other sources, 1800.
      The capture of Budapest is a very difficult fight.
      1. bovig
        bovig 15 June 2016 18: 56
        +2
        Quote: yehat
        actually forgot about the capture of Berlin. colossal military operation
        some wrecked tanks were 1300 in the Red Army. According to other sources, 1800.
        The capture of Budapest is a very difficult fight.

        Duck, these cities, with the experience of urban battles, can not be counted ... And the experts are those who paws up!)))) But smart, damn it, they can write books!)))) An anecdote was born by itself: Two homeless people summarized the experience and wrote the book "How to become an oligarch!")))))
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 15 June 2016 19: 47
        +1
        Quote: yehat
        some wrecked tanks were 1300 in the Red Army

        Even an unrealistic figure. Where in Berlin to put 1300 tanks? Each other?
        Can we talk about the Berlin operation?
      3. dvina71
        dvina71 15 June 2016 20: 18
        0
        Quote: yehat
        actually forgot about the capture of Berlin. colossal military operation
        some wrecked tanks were 1300 in the Red Army. According to other sources, 1800.

        The composition of the tank division of the Red Army - 300-350 tanks.
        And here is the passage of Kantemirovtsi on Red Square

        Where did you get that figure? Reason?
    3. Seaman77
      Seaman77 15 June 2016 17: 47
      +3
      Quote: hirurg
      But experts open their mouths. Question for what?


      Answer:

      They recently published a related book: "L'Ultime Champ de bataille. Combattre et vaincre en ville" (Pierre de Taillac, 224 pages, 24,90 euros).


      laughing
    4. bovig
      bovig 15 June 2016 18: 29
      0
      Quote: hirurg
      Ndaa !!! The French fought a lot, and especially in the cities. Stalingrad is a myth, thanks to literature and cinema !!! Compare Stalingrad and Madrid? There are no words.
      Survived!
      Americans teach Ukrainians to shoot from Soviet RPGs.
      French police can not cope with football fans, and also in the city. I will not talk about other schools of late.
      But experts open their mouths. Question for what?

      Answer: to poke!))))) So that no one understands where they are more than .... ....))))
  9. lukke
    lukke 15 June 2016 16: 10
    +12
    I will not say anything about the paddles as modern warriors (such experts Hitler baths drowned on the way to Moscow), but here there is no knowledge and understanding at all
    Moreover, we believe that this battle was not very good, especially by the Germans, who rushed headlong into Soviet positions.
    It was the Germans that "rushed headlong"? Let them read the memories of German and our officers (at the level of battalion commanders, regiment commanders) - until the Germans achieved a threefold superiority on the offensive and did not have artillery support - damn you would force the German battalion commanders, the commander to go into attacks - they could quite legally not fulfill the requirements of their superiors and those themselves did not engage in "stupidity". I'm talking about 41-42 years, when the Wehrmacht was still working classically. Then, of course, anything happened, but also to call the urban battles in Stalingrad a soap bubble ... and the coverage and encirclement of Pauls's army was the decisive and only event ... when everything is so interconnected and one is a consequence of the other without which there would be no final result ...
    Keitel was right)
  10. zoknyay82
    zoknyay82 15 June 2016 16: 11
    +4
    Expert dreams of the feat of Paris, which defeated the Wehrmacht. Specialists in working with the language, not only women, but as I see the other half of the population (men will be offended again). :-)
  11. Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 15 June 2016 16: 11
    +5
    I thought that the symbol of stupidity was "British scientists", but there are even more narrow-minded and stupid "specialists" - "French experts." from science pouring from empty to empty they order the world that their cowardice is heroism, and their nonsense is the truth of life. these are not debills, these are megosumasbrodopsychopathodauns !!!
  12. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 15 June 2016 16: 14
    +2
    Bullshit ... Absolute .... Putting yourself above the Germans that you had the same warriors and entered Paris .... They themselves are not funny? fellow
  13. evgen74
    evgen74 15 June 2016 16: 18
    +3
    what are two frogmen generally stuttering about Stalingrad? They leaked their France for a couple of months, and even the French battalions created for the war with the USSR under the Germans
  14. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 15 June 2016 16: 30
    +5
    Pancake. I am reading the announcement - "French experts on tactics of combat in urban conditions" ...?, As the latest sucker misinformation is more likely to read. Well, I think it's interesting how the French see modern tactics of urban combat ... And here ... Blizzard, nonsense ... In general, I did not finish reading, I wasted my time.
  15. Bramb
    Bramb 15 June 2016 16: 30
    +7
    Thanks, neighing!
    I immediately remembered the video on YouTube "French special forces storming the hill".))
    A knife for chopping ice is simply necessary for waging war in the city !!! ))))
    1. Rosty
      Rosty 15 June 2016 17: 18
      -2
      Good in melee. A wedge-shaped narrow blade, piercing and body armor. In form, an analogue of trench knives of the first world war. The same British prefer a knife and grenades in the city for a short time, not even a gun.
      1. Gray brother
        Gray brother 15 June 2016 17: 31
        +4
        Quote: Rosty
        Good in melee

        In the context of the article, it is mentioned as a tool for opening doors ...
        I'm not sure about "good at hand-to-hand".
      2. lukke
        lukke 15 June 2016 22: 49
        0
        The same British prefer a knife and grenades in the city for a short time, not even a gun.
        what kind of computer game are you talking about and on what "short" do you see the British in the city? I am sincerely interested in why your Englishmen are listed as specialists. English gentlemen are good in their rocking chairs under a blanket within their foggy Albion and prefer others to fight for them. The ground forces of Her Majesty's army have always been frankly weak and ill-prepared, with the exception of the British navy. Everything else from the James Bond films, Robin Hood and the SAS advertisement, which proved itself more in the fight against Northern Ireland and African natives than with the regular troops of any standing state.
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  16. Sleepless 2014
    Sleepless 2014 15 June 2016 16: 40
    +2
    New anecdote "French experts in urban combat tactics"
    1. Kos_kalinki9
      Kos_kalinki9 15 June 2016 18: 46
      +3
      Quote: Sleepless2014
      New anecdote "French experts in urban combat tactics"
  17. Razvedka_Boem
    Razvedka_Boem 15 June 2016 16: 58
    +5
    Europe has lost .. how to express it .. the fury of life. They forgot that what is now available did not appear with a wave of a magic wand. But, not one or even two generations grew up in this satiety and goodness ..
    Once upon a time, medieval knights and mercenaries terrified .. But now, their descendants are more like sheep. The maximum that they can bleed about tolerance.
    Therefore, this interview .. Let's just say that it didn’t make an impression.
    As for the Foreign Legion, it is a fully combat-ready compound with combat experience. True counterguerrilla.
    1. Izotovp
      Izotovp 16 June 2016 08: 35
      0
      The Foreign Legion is largely composed of Slavs, and sas is also full of "aliens", for example, Gurkhas)))
  18. lexx2038
    lexx2038 15 June 2016 17: 07
    +3
    Some kind of porridge from incomprehensible ingredients. Are measured by "merits". Everyone wants to fight - there is no war yet. And how is the war ...
  19. Belarus
    Belarus 15 June 2016 17: 08
    +5
    Directly brazenly, these psavdoeksperty rewrite history and extol their blue anusLet these "experts" if they are so smart go to Syria and help terrorists in battles in the city - and thereby contribute to a quick victory for government forces.
  20. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 15 June 2016 17: 33
    +4
    FRENCH, BURN YET! You even screwed up in Mali. Descendants of Charles Perrault can write only fairy tales !!!
  21. grandfather
    grandfather 15 June 2016 17: 42
    +7
    Is that what I just read? fool
    1. Koshak
      Koshak 15 June 2016 18: 01
      +5
      Quote: bearded
      Is that what I just read?

      Unscientific non-fiction laughing
  22. Strashila
    Strashila 15 June 2016 17: 49
    +3
    The experience of Belfast ... Basra ... any experience requires careful study. There is still experience on this topic among the Israelis.
    We have our own ... Terrible.
    The main thing is to draw the right conclusions ... so that spilled blood is not in vain for future generations.
  23. Sergey333
    Sergey333 15 June 2016 18: 01
    +3
    In my opinion, our fans at the football championship have already shown in practice quite qualified battle tactics in urban settings laughing what else do they need? Let them learn from best practices laughing
  24. Iskander Sh
    Iskander Sh 15 June 2016 18: 12
    -1
    Strange "article". They pulled out a couple of phrases about Stalingrad from the entire interview. Is it some kind of experiment, a reaction to words, to the presentation of material?

    Comments too overly aggressive.
  25. balabol
    balabol 15 June 2016 18: 17
    +2
    Our Gortex fighters did not know in Berlin. Probably without this, the British do not consider urban combat.
  26. hunt1
    hunt1 15 June 2016 18: 33
    +2
    First, you need to learn how to deal with fans and then talk about battle tactics in an urban setting!
  27. Dimit
    Dimit 15 June 2016 18: 43
    +5
    I suspect that French experts used to be English scientists! But something went wrong and they changed their citizenship))
  28. hunt1
    hunt1 15 June 2016 19: 05
    +3
    Yes, now you will rub any Western politician or expert immediately Anglo-Saxon face will come out!
  29. Des10
    Des10 15 June 2016 19: 12
    +1
    Why such an article on VO?
    Especially the French, commenting on the actions of the British and Americans.
    To attract attention (visitors) and hype.
  30. andrew42
    andrew42 15 June 2016 19: 13
    0
    If the French follow the advice of such experts, then as a Gaul named Brenn said, "Woe to the vanquished." You can't even tell right away what it is - dilettantism or idiocy. Or both at once. Brr. In any case, delusional chatter.
  31. PBF
    PBF 15 June 2016 19: 15
    +1
    How many lately all evil spirits climbed out. And all as one experts. This one even wrote a little book, 224 pages. belay Someone else besides a group of authors could read this opus, at least up to 100?
  32. jovanni
    jovanni 15 June 2016 19: 34
    +2
    Let this expert figure out how to penetrate his Paris apartment with a mount! And even with a grenade. And then Basra ...
  33. APASUS
    APASUS 15 June 2016 19: 53
    +1
    . The British were the NATO army with the greatest experience in conducting this kind of hostilities.

    These specialists somersaulted for two weeks with their experience, I look at the photos and somehow I can’t believe that these are specialists
  34. lexx2038
    lexx2038 15 June 2016 21: 40
    +2
    The Russian soldier repeatedly passed throughout Europe, stormed almost all cities, fortresses, forts and simply settlements, in this very Europe, and here you have the coolest specialists, the British. Forgot everything. Again they see their pink dreams with pollutions.
  35. ed1967ward
    ed1967ward 15 June 2016 22: 26
    0
    forgive me admin! that's all! and! we are so at war!
  36. romex1
    romex1 16 June 2016 00: 20
    0
    where do they get entih and * iota?
  37. Russian jacket
    Russian jacket 16 June 2016 00: 36
    0
    As Denis Davydov used to say, "Jomini and Jomini, but not half a word about vodka," This is about the theorist - guardian, that after the victory over Napoleon, he came to Russia to teach Russians to fight correctly ... laughing
  38. Skubudu
    Skubudu 16 June 2016 00: 48
    0
    After the surrender of Paris without a fight, the French have not yet been rehabilitated by any significant victory over the enemy. So would be silent better
  39. gippernano
    gippernano 16 June 2016 02: 33
    +1
    Quote: siberalt
    And then they will talk about the tactics of surrendering to the Nazis without a fight in Paris

    Pavlov’s house alone lasted longer than the whole of France. And these shameful people consider it possible to talk about Stalingrad.
  40. Maki Avellevich
    Maki Avellevich 16 June 2016 06: 17
    0
    French experts


    lol
  41. gaura
    gaura 16 June 2016 09: 39
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    I wonder how Gortex fabric could help in urban battles?

    Advertising! He also had to add the supplier's phone number and the phrase "pickup from ***"
  42. Rosty
    Rosty 16 June 2016 11: 05
    +1
    Quote: lukke
    The same British prefer a knife and grenades in the city for a short time, not even a gun.
    what kind of computer game are you talking about and on what "short" do you see the British in the city? I am sincerely interested in why your Englishmen are listed as specialists. English gentlemen are good in their rocking chairs under a blanket within their foggy Albion and prefer others to fight for them. The ground forces of Her Majesty's army have always been frankly weak and ill-prepared, with the exception of the British navy. Everything else from the James Bond films, Robin Hood and the SAS advertisement, which proved itself more in the fight against Northern Ireland and African natives than with the regular troops of any standing state.


    We had experience. Troops. Unfortunately, there was. Few people remember the assault sapper companies of the Second World War. There was an experience of sweeps in Afghanistan. It was the same. There was the experience of Chechnya. Not specialists, I mean, namely the military. We can. But each time starting from scratch, the experience leaves with people and disbanded units, without remaining in the charters and heads of school teachers. Unfortunately. And the same British collect information and accredit the same charters, adapted weapons and equipment. A knife and a grenade when cleaning buildings - this is from there. Do our military units learn to work with a knife? Practice knife fight? And they are taught.
  43. iouris
    iouris 16 June 2016 17: 34
    0
    "French experts" analyze the tactics of the British in Basra. Unconvincing. Sounds like a short anecdote.