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Crimea finally left Ukraine. This is already openly recognized by Western politicians.

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It has long been no secret that the new Ukrainian authorities surround themselves with visiting politicians, marked by the press of aggressive Russophobia. The best confirmation of this is the landing of supporters of disgraced Saakashvili who were ousted from Georgia, who moved to Ukraine together with the retired ex-president. In late May, former NATO Secretary General Andres Fogh Rasmussen came to this company. President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko took him to the post of non-staff advisers.




How Rasmussen grieved the Ukrainian authorities

With this character is connected a lot of intrigue in relation to Russia and its leaders. For example, when he was prime minister of Denmark, Rasmussen distinguished himself by publicizing the contents of closed talks with Russian President Putin. It happened in 2002 year. Denmark then presided over the European Union.

Much later, during one of his direct lines, Vladimir Putin told about this incident: “He (Rasmussen) asked me about this meeting, it was not planned. I agreed, we met, talked - he, it turns out, took a tape recorder with him, secretly recorded our conversation, and then published it in the press. I could not believe my ears and eyes. ”

This episode alone is enough to become the best friend of the new Ukrainian government. But, if we add Rasmussen’s anti-Russian rhetoric as NATO Secretary General, the Dane will be completely out of competition at the casting to Kiev advisers.

The proposal of President Poroshenko pleased and excited Rasmussen, who was dismissed. In his Twitter, he wrote: "I will do everything possible to strengthen security, economic reforms and strengthen ties with the EU."

Having looked around in Kiev and having decided on who will pay for his “freelance advice,” Andres Fogh Rasmussen made a statement that discouraged the Ukrainian authorities: “The return of Crimea should remain on the agenda for Ukraine, but should not be an urgent priority.”

Explaining his revelation, Rasmussen noted that the West leaves its goal to return the Crimea, but the prospect of achieving this goal is very distant. “As we have never recognized the illegal accession by the Soviet Union of the three Baltic countries - Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, we will never recognize the illegal accession of the Crimea to Russia,” the former NATO Secretary General stressed and marked “we” the general opinion of Western politicians.

According to Rasmussen, the immediate priorities for today's Ukraine should be reforms and the full implementation of the Minsk agreements. This is not the personal position of the new adviser to the Ukrainian president. The American colleagues of the Danish politician are already talking about the “implementation of the Minsk agreements on Ukraine even before the end of the term of office of the current administration of President Barack Obama”.

About this last Thursday said the national security adviser to US President Susan Rice. “We have reason to believe this. And we hope that there is enough time and opportunity for a solution, ”Rice said in an interview with the Washington Post and added the usual clarification for Washington:“ if the Russians show sufficient political will ”.

This reservation Rice deceived few. The implementation of Minsk-2 depends, first of all, on the authorities in Kiev, which the new adviser to the President Poroshenko noted in his statement, denoting this goal as “the urgent priority of Ukraine”. The head of the Crimea, Sergei Aksyonov, responded to his words. According to Aksyonov, “Rasmussen’s statement reflects a change in the position of Western political elites on the Crimean issue.”

Turkish factor in the politics of Kiev

It is unlikely that this position has changed recently. Perhaps, right along with the results of the Crimean referendum, Western politicians realized that Crimea had finally gone to the jurisdiction of the Russian Federation. Publicly, this fact the West did not recognize. I began to use it as a way to pressure Russia. However, even the abolition of the notorious sanctions in the European Union did not directly bind the return of the Crimea.

About the imminent return of the Crimea, President Petro Poroshenko himself spoke the most. His words are not just a propaganda ploy, distracting Ukrainians from the problems of the day. Experts believe that the Ukrainian president is groping for a strategy to return the peninsula. It will hardly help to achieve a publicly stated goal, but it should attract new allies of Ukraine under the anti-Russian banners.

It began, as we remember, with the blockade of the peninsula, the explosion of the power supply lines. Then the dirty work was assigned to uncontrolled nationalist and Crimean Tatar fighting groups. Then foreign forces joined, primarily Turkish. Poroshenko often for talks to President Erdogan. In return, military instructors from Turkey, radicals from the Gray Wolves extremist group, mercenaries and other rabble went to the Kherson region bordering on the Crimea.

In the spring, the well-known hacker group “Cyberkurbut” shared with independent websites information about the interception of the draft decree of the President of Ukraine Petro Poroshenko on the establishment of Crimean-Tatar national autonomy in the Kherson region and the provision of land for these purposes. According to information published with reference to "Cyberkut", in the draft decree, Kherson was conceived to be renamed Khan-Girey and the Turkish consulate general was stationed there, and almost a million Muslims were resettled to Kherson region.

Some experts dismissed this information from CyberBerkut because of the anonymity of the group itself. The reason is objective. But after all, it is known that, over time, the information of the Cyberkurbut was confirmed about the presence in combat formations of the government forces of Ukraine of units of foreign private security armies. The schemes of punitive operations revealed by hackers of the group, facts from the closed correspondence of senior Kiev officials, etc., coincided with actual practice.

Most likely, information about the secret plans of the Ukrainian president are not without grounds. After all, he did not promise “Roshen” to Turkey? Indirectly, this is indicated by Turkish investment, which came to Kherson region after Poroshenko’s visits to Erdogan. Among other things, in February, the Turks signed an agreement on trade, economic, scientific, technical and cultural cooperation with the Kherson Regional State Administration.

Amazing attention to a particular region. It is worth adding to this the increased activity of the Ukrainian army on the Crimean isthmus, and it will become obvious that Kiev did not rule out a military solution to the Crimean issue. In his defense Petro Poroshenko hurried to declare that he would not fight for the Crimea, but would return him exclusively by diplomatic means. Now Andres Fogh Rasmussen advises the Ukrainian president to completely forget about his plans for the Crimea.

At the point of no return ...

This is a very serious signal. The West has let know that it does not support the military plans of Kiev, but cannot solve the problem in a different way. Life has proven: lost territory can only be returned by force. There are no examples of this. Take the same Turkey. In the summer of 1974, she intervened in a civil conflict in Cyprus and occupied almost 40% of the island.

Later, in this territory proclaimed the Turkish Republic of Northern Cyprus. By the way, only Turkey herself recognized it. Under international law, the Republic of Cyprus still retains sovereignty over the entire territory of the island. But it has remained divided for more than 40 years, and there is no end in sight, despite all the diplomatic efforts.

There is an early example. In June, 1967, during the six-day war, Israel, under the pretext that this land belonged to the Jewish people since ancient times, occupied the Syrian plateau of the Golan Heights. After some time, the Knesset proclaimed Israel’s sovereignty over the occupied territory as a special law.

The international community has condemned and not recognized the annexation of the Golan Heights. Almost half a century has passed. Israel equipped fortified posts in the Golan equipped with electronic equipment for reconnaissance. Built 34 settlement. Now it produces more than 50% mineral water, about a quarter of all wines, from 30 to 50% of certain types of fruits and vegetables and is not going to return the Golan Heights to Syria.

In addition, there are also unrecognized states - Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transdniestria, South Ossetia ... Having won their independence, they remain so while they are able to defend their territory. In this sense, for the Crimea, which quite legally became part of Russia, you need not worry. There can be no doubt that a powerful nuclear power will protect its peninsula from harm.

An understanding of this is demonstrated today by the West. In the words of Rasmussen, he admitted: Crimea finally and irrevocably left Ukraine. Now the time has come to restrain his Kiev proteges from thoughtless steps in order to avoid a real military conflict on the continent.
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  1. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 15 June 2016 05: 18
    +13
    As before a duck, on the seventh day.
    1. Finches
      Finches 15 June 2016 05: 58
      +41
      In the West they always knew whose Crimea! True, the Anglo-Saxons with their buddies somehow rushed to clarify, but the courage of the defenders of Sevastopol withstood the annual siege gave an unequivocal answer to this question - whose Crimea? It’s just right for us to ask the world community - and whose Ukraine is it really ...?
      1. mad
        mad 15 June 2016 06: 35
        +59
        Even the West has come to terms with the Crimean affiliation, and VO is sculpting a hohloflag to its inhabitants. wassat
        1. mig29mks
          mig29mks 15 June 2016 07: 23
          +20
          but I thought from where the Ukrainians are so sensible))))))))))
        2. Voha_krim
          Voha_krim 15 June 2016 07: 33
          +10
          Quote: mad
          Even the West has come to terms with the Crimean affiliation, and VO is sculpting a hohloflag to its inhabitants. wassat

          Ask the administrator for a replacement. They replaced me!
          1. silver_roman
            silver_roman 15 June 2016 10: 46
            +8
            Apparently the IP addresses of Ukrainian providers. Likely they still function in the Crimea. Hence the legs grow. I am sure that over time everything will fall into place.
            1. Pasha
              Pasha 16 June 2016 19: 46
              +1
              be patient soon and OUR will, then we’ll fix it. smile
        3. atos_kin
          atos_kin 15 June 2016 07: 56
          +3
          The admin probably needs "instructions". How to work without them request
        4. Simple
          Simple 15 June 2016 11: 19
          +2
          + + +
          But in the settings there is "I am from the Crimea"
          1. RUBEROID
            RUBEROID 16 June 2016 00: 00
            +1
            I don't have this in the settings. The "place of residence" column is not displayed. and I CANNOT change the checkbox.
            1. Simple
              Simple 16 June 2016 20: 50
              +1
              Go to your topwar profile in your profile: there you can - I'm from the Crimea, the USSR, etc.
        5. Reserve officer
          Reserve officer 15 June 2016 13: 15
          +3
          Much later, during one of his direct lines, Vladimir Putin spoke about this incident: “... it turns out he took a voice recorder with him, secretly recorded our conversation, and then published it in the press. I could not believe my ears and eyes. "

          I understand that now we learn a lot of interesting things about Poroshenko?
          1. staviator
            staviator 15 June 2016 20: 23
            +1
            when Rasmussen wrote Putin, Poroshenko still
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        6. RUBEROID
          RUBEROID 15 June 2016 23: 37
          +2
          Sculpts. We still have IP tied to Ukraine. here I specially checked http://ip2geolocation.com/?ip=195.216.213.35. Simferopol.
          1. mad
            mad 15 June 2016 23: 52
            +1
            http://ip2geolocation.com/?ip=109.110.71.32
            More about the country
            IP 109.110.71.32
            Host 32-71-110-109.host.sevstar.net
            UA country code
            Country Ukraine (Ukraine)
            Area Code 20
            Region Sevastopol '
            City Sevastopol
        7. alex13-61
          alex13-61 16 June 2016 11: 17
          +1
          To me, at my urgent request, they somehow changed .... yes
          1. cosinus
            cosinus 17 June 2016 01: 19
            0
            The range of ip-addresses for each country is allocated by the regulatory organization (non-profit international). And if your address falls into the range of ip addresses allocated to Ukraine or any other country, then standard means of determining the ownership of your ip-address will always show the official affiliation (in this case, Ukraine).
            The administrators of this site (like any other) in order to change the ownership label of your ip-address can only create something like their own ip-ranges to which they (admins) can assign any picture of any color;)
            Therefore, whatever you ask there, it could not change the official belonging to the region of your ip. The icon reflects only the desire of the admins to "decorate" your ip-address in any color you like, nothing more.
        8. Pasha
          Pasha 16 June 2016 19: 46
          -1
          be patient soon and OUR will, then we’ll fix it. smile
        9. Mavrikiy
          Mavrikiy 16 June 2016 22: 21
          0
          Quote: mad
          Even the West has come to terms with the Crimean affiliation, and VO is sculpting a hohloflag to its inhabitants. wassat

          Well personal. 5 column at his post and is not going to hand over positions.
          And you to them as to people.
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 15 June 2016 08: 02
        +6
        Quote: Finches
        but the courage of the defenders of Sevastopol to withstand the annual siege gave an unambiguous answer to this question - whose Crimea?

        Well, the fortresses we then dug up and dismissed the fleet, for 15 years the Black Sea Fleet ceased to exist. And the protectorate over Moldova and Wallachia lost ...
        1. Finches
          Finches 15 June 2016 09: 50
          +6
          But they were afraid to take Crimea away! And the entire fleet almost lay at the bottom of the Sevastopol Bay! But what a good lesson our rulers received and immediately began to rearm the army and reform, which allowed us to defeat the Turks in 1878! some Tsushima is needed to understand the depth and truth of the expression:"A people who do not want to feed their army will soon be forced to feed someone else's!"
          1. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 07: 51
            +3
            Quote: Finches
            But they were afraid to take Crimea!

            To give out their defeats for victories is of course art, but let's not dissemble - we lost the war! At what they lost before it even started. Politically, mediocre, if not criminal foreign policy, which the Anglophiles ruled over here. We allowed the creation of an anti-Russian coalition and did not bother to create our own, without any allies!
            Tsushima from a completely different opera! And lessons from Tsushima were not learned, which showed further developments!
            Generally a vicious system when disaster is needed for development! Although folklore clearly describes this - about thunder and a baptized man and something there about a roasted rooster)))
            But maybe enough ???
            1. Cro-Magnon
              Cro-Magnon 17 June 2016 10: 41
              0
              Let's not be cunning and honestly admit that Russia has never had REAL allies ... NEVER! There were fish adhered and enemies mimicking friends ... but no more! And our whole history is proof of that! What "your coalition" are you talking about here? Who do you think should have been in it? Announce this list ...
            2. Skif100500
              Skif100500 17 June 2016 20: 49
              0
              Very interesting ... The Crimean War had very interesting results. For a year, a coalition of 3 empires was able to conquer the whole city, even if it was a fleet base. And what? All their attacks in other places were repelled with no chance that they did not even dare to start a land expedition in Kamchatka, the Baltic, and the Baltic. Well, they lost the Black Sea Fleet for some time, so in any case it had to be changed radically - the sail was leaving the seas. And with regards to Moldova and Wallachia, so if you started about history, first find out that the occupation of these places, and the king’s desire to bite the Balkans from the weakening Ottoman Empire, caused the Crimean War.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 15 June 2016 06: 51
      +5
      They do not recognize Crimea. Never. For them, it is tantamount to publicly admitting themselves to be suckers, idiots and impotent people in one person. But they will start driving there, "polite people" and the same fleet .. We must take an example from someone ..
      1. Lelek
        Lelek 15 June 2016 10: 52
        +4
        Quote: dmi.pris
        They don’t recognize Crimea. Never. For them, it’s tantamount to publicly recognizing themselves as suckers, idiots and impotent in one person. But they will begin to drive


        The enemy must be beaten (figuratively speaking) with his own weapon. We need to learn from the "West" pragmatic arrogance. We now reduce everything to justice and humanity, and the "west" put it with the device on these postulates, although in words it almost puts it as the basis of its existence. Let them strum whatever, but the "Russian world" is the PMR, and Novorossia, and South Ural, and Abkhazia, and you need to draw them into yourself - into the RUSSIAN FEDERATION, sending all the oohs of the "west" to the "macaque". yes
        1. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 07: 56
          +1
          Quote: Lelek
          but the "Russian world" is the PMR, and Novorossia, and South Ossetia, and Abkhazia

          On a cursory glance it seemed - South Africa laughing
          1. Skif100500
            Skif100500 17 June 2016 20: 56
            0
            Ossetians have long wanted to unite ... they now turn out that half of the people are behind the ridge, and half are part of Russia. Well, they already wanted to hold a referendum on a new one, but again our dolbyotyaty slowed down.
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 07: 55
        +2
        Quote: dmi.pris
        They do not recognize Crimea. Never. For them, it is tantamount to publicly recognizing themselves as suckers, idiots and impotent all rolled into one.

        Recognize that they will not go anywhere! Not soon, of course ... But when we created Bulgaria for 30 years, no one recognized it ... and nothing got used to it)))
        The main thing to take an example from the Chinese is not to rush and not fuss, but to systematically advance your line! But let the Europeans fuss and fall into hysteria with their overseas masters!
    3. siberalt
      siberalt 15 June 2016 07: 17
      +4
      "In addition, there are unrecognized states - Abkhazia, Nagorno-Karabakh, Transnistria, South Ossetia" The author forgot about the DPR and LPR. But Abkhazia and South Ossetia have somehow already been recognized by Russia and a number of other states.
  2. ovod84
    ovod84 15 June 2016 05: 26
    +11
    And what else remains for them to do, Crimea became part of a major nuclear-armed state. In an extreme case, they will rattle their weapons in the Black Sea at the sight of air defense and will formally express support for the Ukrainians.
  3. evil partisan
    evil partisan 15 June 2016 05: 31
    +13
    No. Petya himself will not understand a damn thing. We must work with his squirrels yes ...
  4. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 15 June 2016 05: 45
    +17
    Crimea, this is a reminder to all of us of the greatest betrayal in the history of our country (how our people abundantly blew this land and how easily our leadership waved Crimea to another state), as well as the price of friendly relations with Western countries (how quickly they recognized Crimea part of Ukraine and as they are now shouting that they will never recognize his return to Russia).
    1. Reptiloid
      Reptiloid 15 June 2016 06: 19
      +10
      And for some reason you did not write about corn. After all, it was his actions that made possible further betrayal.
      The corncob and the drunkard did what they wanted!
      I really liked the article because it is written about historical examples!
      1. Skif100500
        Skif100500 17 June 2016 21: 20
        0
        Okay, Nikita Kukuruzny, and there was a scoundrel, but he "moved the bedside table to another room without asking the owners," but the EBN created what is called treason everywhere.
    2. vladnn2015
      vladnn2015 15 June 2016 08: 14
      +2
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      and how easily our leadership waved Crimea to another state

      Then there was the USSR and the state was one, but the republics are different. Learn the history of the Russian state, if you undertake to comment!
      And what Khrushchev did was short-sighted, from my point of view.
      Minus set for ignorance of history.
      1. Reptiloid
        Reptiloid 15 June 2016 09: 46
        +5
        I think I meant what the drunkard did - he destroyed the USSR. IT IS more criminally that, although the maize owner "donated", they say, there was no appropriate design.

        How nice to be a tailor,
        To coat button sew.
        Hostage to give their ---
        Let it be better for others!

        And so mindlessly otselili,
        Russian people have been forgotten
        Far from the center of the place ...
        Eyes on the shoes! The beauty.

        How nice to be a tailor ---
        Turn the country into pieces,
        To cut the ground alive,
        As you wish to the housekeeper.

        The country was built by the chairmen,
        Russian land distributors.
        Crimea could return now ---
        Part of our native land!

        Kherson, Odessa and Donbass ---
        This is not at all with us.
        Kharkov also resettled ---
        A forgotten referendum!


        I wrote this last year.
      2. laogun
        laogun 16 June 2016 13: 55
        +1
        Those like you, experts and commentators, sow the seeds of ignorance here, and if knowingly, then provocations. Khrushchev knew everything that he was doing - when he was still in Ukraine he sniffed with the Natsiks and portrayed the clown all the time. Koba missed the main traitor who organized his assassination and the execution of Beria in the house. Then it was arranged, like a secret court and execution, like a British spy, who spent all his last part of his life for the formation of the USSR’s nuclear shield. Immediately, at the knowledge of my grandfather, an employee of the Ministry of State Security, all operations to liquidate UNA-UNSO and other bandits, which were immediately legalized and crawled into power and the party, were urgently curtailed. I am just shitting on historians.
    3. Darkness
      Darkness 15 June 2016 08: 24
      -2
      Which state was transferred to Crimea, Khrushchev? Tell, if not a secret.
      1. Navy7981
        Navy7981 16 June 2016 15: 30
        +1
        [quote = Gloom] Which state was transferred to Crimea, Khrushchev? Tell, if not a secret.

        The USSR was a union state, a union of republics, therefore, despite the fact that the Ukrainian SSR was part of it, at the same time, formally was another state. And in general, it’s not a fig to give out what you earned ...
      2. Navy7981
        Navy7981 16 June 2016 15: 30
        0
        [quote = Gloom] Which state was transferred to Crimea, Khrushchev? Tell, if not a secret.

        The USSR was a union state, a union of republics, therefore, despite the fact that the Ukrainian SSR was part of it, at the same time, formally was another state. And in general, it’s not a fig to give out what you earned ...
  5. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 15 June 2016 06: 09
    +23
    Generally consistent!
  6. Aleksander
    Aleksander 15 June 2016 06: 39
    +7
    There can be no doubt that a powerful nuclear power not protect your peninsula from misfortune.


    The phrase turned out to be very ambiguous, in Russian it should be like this: "There can be no doubt that a powerful nuclear power will protect from trouble your peninsula. hi
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 15 June 2016 10: 05
      +2
      There can be no doubt that a powerful nuclear power will not protect its peninsula from disaster.


      The phrase turned out to be very ambiguous, in Russian it should be like this: “There can be no doubt that a powerful nuclear power will protect its peninsula from disaster.


      yeah, I confirm - I got to this place, stumbled, re-read ... read it again ... translated into Russian-literate ... caught the point ... forgave the author ... wassat
  7. Viktor fm
    Viktor fm 15 June 2016 06: 45
    +2
    It is time for Ukraine to return to Russia the territory occupied by this Ukraine.
  8. Kostya Andreev
    Kostya Andreev 15 June 2016 07: 12
    +13
    Regarding the Galanian heights, here some comrades from Israel reproached Russia for returning the Crimea. And they just took it without any referendum, captured it by military force on the basis of some kind of fairy tales and captured it. And still worried about a broken relationship.
    By the way, why didn’t sanctions imposed on Israel for armed occupation
    1. sisa29
      sisa29 15 June 2016 09: 07
      +3
      Why fairy tales? At some point in history, they were masters of the Golan Heights. True, in the history of our civilization almost any territory had so many owners that it is useless to argue about the true owner of any land.
      1. Yuyuka
        Yuyuka 15 June 2016 10: 10
        +6
        Why fairy tales? At some point in history, they were masters of the Golan Heights. True, in the history of our civilization almost any territory had so many owners that it is useless to argue about the true owner of any land.

        it was the Indians who were in a shock! oh, sorry they don’t know how to read ... and they have problems with the Russian - neither Cossacks nor tankers reached them ... and they would already have their own people in the tribes, they would read VO and be glad! repeat
      2. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 08: 00
        +1
        Quote: sisa29
        Why fairy tales? At some point in history, they were masters of the Golan Heights. True, in the history of our civilization almost any territory had so many owners that it is useless to argue about the true owner of any land.

        This map of the Old Testament is drawn, or what?
        And by the way, what does modern Israel have to do with it? To my direct question: "The heir / successor of which state formation is modern Israel?", More than one Jew has not clearly answered!
        1. sisa29
          sisa29 16 June 2016 14: 58
          0
          Soviet historical encyclopedia. - M .: Soviet Encyclopedia. Ed. E. M. Zhukova. 1973-1982.
    2. Lankaster
      Lankaster 15 June 2016 10: 05
      -14%
      Quote: Kostya Andrei
      Regarding the Galanian heights, here some comrades from Israel reproached Russia for returning the Crimea. And they just took it without any referendum, captured it by military force on the basis of some kind of fairy tales and captured it. And still worried about a broken relationship.
      By the way, why didn’t sanctions imposed on Israel for armed occupation

      Because Israel in 1967 was at war with Syria, between them there were no mutually recognized borders, moreover, Syria did not recognize the state of Israel at all.
      By the way, the "Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" (Ratified by the Federal Law of the Russian Federation
      dated March 2, 1999) Russia has not yet been denounced, and Crimea is the territory of Ukraine along it wink
      1. Aleksander
        Aleksander 15 June 2016 11: 59
        +6
        Quote: Lankaster
        "The Treaty of Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" (Ratified by the Federal Law of the Russian Federation of March 2, 1999) has not yet been denounced by Russia, and according to it Crimea is the territory of Ukraine


        There about Crimea -Not a word wink yes
        1. Lankaster
          Lankaster 15 June 2016 13: 28
          -7
          Quote: Aleksander
          There about Crimea -Not a word wink yes

          So there about other areas Not a word. The agreement recognizes the territorial integrity of Ukraine, and the territory of Ukraine, during the collapse of the USSR, was determined within the borders of the former USSR, i.e. with Crimea. Question Why then did the Russian Federation sign this agreement? Why didn’t Ukraine put forward any territorial claims in Crimea and filed lawsuits in international courts? (like Romania on Snake Island, for example)
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 15 June 2016 19: 24
            0
            Quote: Lankaster
            The agreement recognizes the territorial integrity of Ukraine,

            The agreement was not signed with this Ukraine.
            A revolution / coup, which from the point of view of jurisprudence is the same thing, cancels the state that was before this event. And in a place with this, and compliance with old contractual obligations goes into the category of optional.
            1. Lankaster
              Lankaster 15 June 2016 19: 56
              -2
              Quote: dvina71
              Quote: Lankaster
              The agreement recognizes the territorial integrity of Ukraine,

              The agreement was not signed with this Ukraine.
              A revolution / coup, which from the point of view of jurisprudence is the same thing, cancels the state that was before this event. And in a place with this, and compliance with old contractual obligations goes into the category of optional.

              Then why the Russian Federation did not denounce it, but with the same arguments that you brought here? In fact, interstate an agreement was signed between the state of the Russian Federation and the state of Ukraine and the parties assumed duty observe it regardless of the internal situation in the countries (let me remind you that in 1993 the Germans did not hold referendums in Kaliningrad, as did the Japanese in the Kuril Islands)
              And now the situation is this - the state of Ukraine exists, the government is legitimate (even from the point of view of the Russian Federation), the aforementioned treaty has not been denounced by Russia, and according to it - Crimea is recognized as Ukrainian.

              Yes, please, indicate specifically - in which section, what jurisprudence it is said that "Revolution / coup, which is the same from the point of view of jurisprudence, cancels the state that was before this event"?
              1. dvina71
                dvina71 15 June 2016 21: 04
                +1
                Quote: Lankaster
                Revolution / coup, which from the point of view of jurisprudence is the same, cancel the state that was before this event "?

                There is always the basis of the state. Leader, autocrat .. the death of any such figure led to collapse and blood, if the issue of succession to the throne was not resolved.
                So, for modern states, the succession to the throne is the continuity of the constitution on the issue of transfer of power. Once the violated Constitution on this issue ceases to be a binding law for everyone else. And the revolution / coup is just based on this. It is unconstitutional to take power.
                So that Crimea, having a legitimate autonomous power, sensibly reasoned that this revolution would not suit us and we went from here. Donetsk and Lugansk could not do this, the legitimate authorities fled or lay down under the junta.
                And Russia will comply with Ukraine only those agreements that are beneficial to it. And this is legal.
                Let me remind you. In the Russian Federation, power was transferred constitutionally from the EBN to GDP, the succession of power and the constitution were not violated. Although by signs it was a revolution, the truth is not political.
                1. Lankaster
                  Lankaster 15 June 2016 21: 53
                  -2
                  Quote: dvina71
                  So, for modern states, the succession to the throne is the continuity of the constitution on the issue of transfer of power. Once the violated Constitution on this issue ceases to be a binding law for everyone else. And the revolution / coup is just based on this. It is unconstitutional to take power.

                  The constitution has not been violated. According to the Constitution of Ukraine, if it is impossible for the President to fulfill his duties, his functions are temporarily performed by the head of the Verkhovna Rada, which was done.
                  Quote: dvina71
                  And Russia will comply with Ukraine only those agreements that are beneficial to it. And this is legal.

                  This is illegal in terms of international law. If the state signs an interstate agreement, it assumes obligations and must comply with them. Everything is simple.
                  1. dvina71
                    dvina71 15 June 2016 21: 56
                    +1
                    Quote: Lankaster
                    The constitution has not been violated. According to the Constitution of Ukraine, if it is impossible for the President to fulfill his duties, his functions are temporarily performed by the head of the Verkhovna Rada, which was done.

                    Stop stop .. Did you have a revolution?
                    1. Lankaster
                      Lankaster 15 June 2016 22: 13
                      -4
                      Quote: dvina71
                      Stop stop .. Did you have a revolution?

                      There was a civil confrontation, as a result of which the legitimate president Yanukovych flew abroad and his duties were temporarily (until the elections of May 25, 2014) to be performed by the head of the Verkhovna Rada (according to the Constitution). And you can call it whatever you like - revolution or not revolution, it does not matter.
                      1. dvina71
                        dvina71 15 June 2016 22: 17
                        +2
                        Quote: Lankaster
                        There was a civil confrontation, as a result of which the legitimate president Yanukovych flew abroad and his duties were temporarily (until the elections of May 25, 2014) to be performed by the head of the Verkhovna Rada (according to the Constitution). And you can call it whatever you like - revolution or not revolution, it does not matter.

                        Oh how .. Civil? Not armed?
                        So much new ..
                      2. Lankaster
                        Lankaster 15 June 2016 22: 32
                        -2
                        Quote: dvina71
                        Oh how .. Civil? Not armed?
                        So much new ..

                        Yes, it’s civil. And the military began in April 2014.
                      3. dvina71
                        dvina71 15 June 2016 22: 46
                        +2
                        Quote: Lankaster
                        Yes, it’s civil. And the military began in April 2014.

                        That's exactly why ... you are Ukraine .. where you are. Territories were lost, you have an internal armed conflict, industry is dying .. and so on and so on ..
                        You are cunning and always try to find an excuse. Instead of realizing the problem and solving it.
                        The coup / revolution and, as a result, the flight of the president is a historical fact, recognized in the world. It is useless to argue with this.
                        And your new government. Instead of agreeing with the rebel territories, giving them what they want (language and a little self-government), unleashed a war. Having added one more crime to his list.
                        I finish the argument on this.
                  2. Alexy
                    Alexy 16 June 2016 07: 10
                    0
                    Just remind who was the head of the Supreme Council.
                  3. Lankaster
                    Lankaster 16 June 2016 09: 09
                    0
                    Quote: Alexy
                    Just remind who was the head of the Supreme Council.

                    Vladimir Rybak. But he resigned on February 21 and his deputy Alexander Turchinov became the head of BP.
                2. Cro-Magnon
                  Cro-Magnon 17 June 2016 10: 55
                  +1
                  Those. if the president makes a foreign tour ... he can be declared "washed away" and boldly take power into his own hands ...!?
                3. Lankaster
                  Lankaster 17 June 2016 11: 59
                  -1
                  Quote: Cro-Magnon
                  Those. if the president makes a foreign tour ... he can be declared "washed away" and boldly take power into his own hands ...!?

                  And if the president really disappeared, you can declare him "making a foreign tour" and wait for him when he returns ...!?
          2. dvina71
            dvina71 15 June 2016 22: 06
            +1
            Quote: Lankaster
            This is illegal in terms of international law. If the state signs an interstate agreement, it assumes obligations and must comply with them. Everything is simple.

            Yes everything is correct. The contract is concluded with the home-made Ukraine. ITS no more. The fact that modern Ukraine uses the same symbolism and the same text of the constitution does not change anything. Legally, this is another state. But to consider it as a receiver or not is the business of the second party to the Treaty. It will be profitable and will be considered.
            1. Lankaster
              Lankaster 15 June 2016 22: 39
              -1
              Quote: dvina71
              Yes everything is correct. The contract is concluded with the home-made Ukraine. ITS no more. The fact that modern Ukraine uses the same symbolism and the same text of the constitution does not change anything. Legally, this is another state. But to consider it as a receiver or not is the business of the second party to the Treaty. It will be profitable and will be considered.

              In international law, there is no such thing as Maidan-Domaidan Ukraine, there is only the state of Ukraine and that’s it.
              Explain why the flight of the president of the country legally makes this country different?
              1. KaPToC
                KaPToC 15 June 2016 23: 02
                +3
                For example, Ukraine refuses home-made debts, theoretically this can be done by abandoning legal succession.
            2. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 08: 23
              +1
              Quote: dvina71
              Yes everything is correct. The contract is concluded with the home-made Ukraine. ITS no more. The fact that modern Ukraine uses the same symbolism and the same text of the constitution does not change anything. Legally, this is another state. But to consider it as a receiver or not is the business of the second party to the Treaty. It will be profitable and will be considered.

              am am am Have you ever read the Agreement ??? Or will you rally with your empty slogans ???
              These aybols, trying to "discuss" on the hohlyatsky forums, are nonsense! And they expose all Russians with cotton wool !!!
              Forget the junta campaigns! Do not carry nonsense about the optional implementation of international treaties !! Check out the subject !!! And understand - it has everything that we would do as we did !!! fellow
          3. KaPToC
            KaPToC 15 June 2016 23: 00
            +2
            In order to claim something under international law, you yourself must comply with it.
            When transferring Crimea to Ukraine, Sevastopol was not transferred and remained subordinate to Moscow, tell us as a result of what criminal actions, taking advantage of Russia's temporary weakness, Ukraine appropriated Sevastopol?
            1. Lankaster
              Lankaster 16 June 2016 09: 14
              -1
              Quote: KaPToC
              In order to claim something under international law, you yourself must comply with it.
              When transferring Crimea to Ukraine, Sevastopol was not transferred and remained subordinate to Moscow, tell us as a result of what criminal actions, taking advantage of Russia's temporary weakness, Ukraine appropriated Sevastopol?

              You're wrong. According to the Constitution of the Ukrainian SSR in 1978, Sevastopol is a city of republican subordination in The Ukrainian SSR (Article 77)
          4. Alexy
            Alexy 16 June 2016 07: 08
            +2
            And who said that the president cannot fulfill his duties ???
            1. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 08: 32
              +1
              Quote: Alexy
              And who said that the president cannot fulfill his duties ???

              Exactly! I remember in 1919 the Provisional Government of Latvia under the leadership of Karlis Ulmanis controlled only the steamer "Saratov" on which it was in the Baltic Sea. So it is recognized by the legitimate government, in contrast to the Soviet Republic formed a year earlier ...
          5. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 08: 16
            0
            Quote: Lankaster
            This is illegal in terms of international law. If the state signs an interstate agreement, it assumes obligations and must comply with them. Everything is simple.

            You do not listen to the crazy ov. We fulfill the contract! Unlike most, meticulously! And this Treaty, too, especially in terms of the rights of peoples to freely control their fate!!!
          6. Drovos
            Drovos 16 June 2016 09: 30
            +2
            I specially registered when I saw the words that the Constitution had not been violated. So on February 22, 2014, the powers of the legitimate president were "early terminated" by the parliament on the basis of "self-elimination." Now open Article 108 of the Constitution, which lists situations in which his powers are terminated ahead of schedule, and find me this paragraph. Be so kind.
        2. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 08: 13
          0
          Quote: dvina71
          There is always the basis of the state. Leader, autocrat .. the death of any such figure led to collapse and blood, if the issue of succession to the throne was not resolved.
          So, for modern states, the succession to the throne is the continuity of the constitution on the issue of transfer of power. Once the violated Constitution on this issue ceases to be a binding law for everyone else. And the revolution / coup is just based on this. It is unconstitutional to take power.

          You would not climb with your balcony! And better read the Agreement! There is everything for the self-determination of the people of Crimea!
        3. AllXVahhaB
          AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 08: 14
          0
          Quote: dvina71
          And Russia will comply with Ukraine only those agreements that are beneficial to it. And this is legal.

          Thank God, we don’t have such freaks in the government!
      2. dvina71
        dvina71 15 June 2016 21: 31
        +2
        Quote: Lankaster
        Yes, please, indicate specifically - in which section, what jurisprudence it is said that

        Specifically, in your Constitution it is written that the source of power is the people. This means that all changes to the supreme power should be coordinated with him at least. If this right of the people is violated, the people have the right to refuse such an agreement. The Krymchans refused by referendum, that is, the most democratic way, by asking EVERYONE.
        Lugansk and Donetsk could not do this. T.K. there was no authority which could conduct such a poll legitimately. That is why Kiev does not want to recognize the elections there.
        1. Lankaster
          Lankaster 15 June 2016 22: 00
          -1
          Quote: dvina71
          Specifically, in your Constitution it is written that the source of power is the people. This means that all changes to the supreme power with him must at least be coordinated.

          All right. Therefore, after the flight of Yanukovych, the presidential elections of Ukraine were scheduled for May 25, where this same people could calmly vote including and Crimeans and residents of Donbass.
          1. dvina71
            dvina71 15 June 2016 22: 07
            +1
            Quote: Lankaster
            All right. Therefore, after the flight of Yanukovych, the presidential elections of Ukraine were scheduled for May 25, where this same people could calmly vote including and Crimeans and residents of Donbass.

            So was the revolution or not?
            1. Lankaster
              Lankaster 15 June 2016 22: 34
              -2
              Quote: dvina71
              So was the revolution or not?

              Call it what you want. It does not matter.
              1. Alexy
                Alexy 16 June 2016 07: 35
                +1
                And what does it matter to you? You name any facts and events as you want. Wanted called the revolution a revolution of dignity, wanted - called the punitive operation anti-terrorist. Wanted - called the killers heroes.
                You can continue for a long time.
                You don’t notice that you live in some kind of looking glass?
                You do all this because for now your owners in the west allow you.
                But this will not always be. And you will answer for everything. And for a destroyed country and for ruined lives.
                And international law, unfortunately, does not exist since the partition of Yugoslavia.
                Who is stronger is right.
                And the Crimeans made their choice. And you admit it or not they are not interested.
                By the way, not one of the countries that signed the Budapest memorandum stood up for you.
                So if something else falls off at you, then you should blame only on yourself.
                Something like this.
          2. RUBEROID
            RUBEROID 15 June 2016 23: 47
            +4
            Quote: Lankaster
            All right. Therefore, after the flight of Yanukovych, the presidential elections of Ukraine were scheduled for May 25, where this same people could calmly vote including and Crimeans and residents of Donbass.

            thanks. we somehow, without your militants and "compulsion to the world" voted. Only not for "presidential elections in ukrainy". And tell me about the muzzle of machine gunners who poked me in the back when I was kicked out to the referendum?
      3. KaPToC
        KaPToC 15 June 2016 22: 56
        0
        No need to juggle, the right to dismember any state in spite of the treaties Russia received even when NATO was slandering Yugoslavia.
        1. Lankaster
          Lankaster 16 June 2016 09: 28
          0
          Quote: KaPToC
          the right to dismember any state regardless of treaties Russia has received

          Tin ... wassat Now it’s like the 21st century, not the 18th ...
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 16 June 2016 15: 32
            0
            That's it, that the twenty-first century, industry has stepped far forward, but the nature of man has not changed. Nowadays, people are killed on an industrial scale.
      4. Alexy
        Alexy 16 June 2016 07: 03
        +2
        And what are the Germans in Kaliningrad, and the Japanese in the Kuril Islands ???
      5. AllXVahhaB
        AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 08: 11
        +2
        Quote: Lankaster
        Then why the Russian Federation did not denounce it, but with the same arguments that you brought here? In fact, an interstate agreement was signed between the state of the Russian Federation and the state of Ukraine, and the parties took upon themselves the obligation to comply with it regardless of the internal situation in the countries (I recall that in 1993 the Germans did not hold referenda in Kaliningrad, as did the Japanese in the Kuril Islands)

        And don’t have to denounce anything, Article 3 This agreement gives the people of Crimea the right to self-determination!
        As for the referenda, they did not suit him in Kosovo, but stupidly squeezed them from Serbia. And here we are, respecting decency ...
  9. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 08: 09
    +2
    Quote: Lankaster
    The agreement recognizes the territorial integrity of Ukraine, and the territory of Ukraine, during the collapse of the USSR, was defined within the borders of the former USSR, i.e. with Crimea.

    And how is Sevastopol? He never entered the Ukrainian SSR!
    And along with territorial integrity, there, in Article 3 recognized the right of peoples to freely control their fate!!!
    So everything, absolutely, as in international law, is two conflicting provisions. And they decide the same wink
    1. Lankaster
      Lankaster 16 June 2016 09: 05
      -1
      Quote: AllXVahhaB
      Quote: Lankaster
      The agreement recognizes the territorial integrity of Ukraine, and the territory of Ukraine, during the collapse of the USSR, was defined within the borders of the former USSR, i.e. with Crimea.

      And how is Sevastopol? He never entered the Ukrainian SSR!

      Have you read the 1978 Constitution of the Ukrainian SSR? Chapter 8.Article 77. Cities of republican subordination in the Ukrainian SSR are Kiev and Sevastopol. wink
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 16 June 2016 15: 41
        +1
        Sevastopol belonged to Russia, what does the constitution of Ukraine have to do with it? Sevastopol was a city of union subordination, Ukraine had no rights to it. And your constitution is valid only on the territory of Ukraine.
        1. Lankaster
          Lankaster 16 June 2016 16: 28
          -1
          Quote: KaPToC
          Sevastopol belonged to Russia, what does the constitution of Ukraine have to do with it? Sevastopol was a city of union subordination, Ukraine had no rights to it. And your constitution is valid only on the territory of Ukraine.

          In the USSR there were no cities of union subordination, but there were only republican cities: in the RSFSR — Moscow, Leningrad, in the Ukrainian SSR — Kiev, Sevastopol.
  • AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 16 June 2016 08: 06
    +1
    Quote: Lankaster
    By the way, the "Treaty on Friendship, Cooperation and Partnership between the Russian Federation and Ukraine" (Ratified by the Federal Law of the Russian Federation
    dated March 2, 1999) Russia has not yet been denounced, and Crimea is the territory of Ukraine along it

    What "Ratified by the Federal Law of the Russian Federation"?
    I re-read the contract - I did not see the word Crimea in any article! But in article 3 Found the following words: "the right of peoples to freely dispose of their own destiny" wink
    1. Lankaster
      Lankaster 16 June 2016 08: 56
      0
      Quote: AllXVahhaB
      What "Ratified by the Federal Law of the Russian Federation"?

      http://docs.cntd.ru/document/901727490
      Quote: AllXVahhaB
      I re-read the contract - I did not see the word Crimea in any article! But in article 3 Found the following words: "the right of peoples to freely dispose of their own destiny" wink

      And where in Article 3 says that about the possibility of separating any areas? Have you finished reading article 3? It also says "The High Contracting Parties build relations with each other on the basis of the principles of mutual respect, sovereign equality, territorial integrity, inviolability of borders, the peaceful settlement of disputes, the non-use of force or threats by force"
  • troyan
    troyan 15 June 2016 07: 13
    +7
    We read the last sentence of the penultimate paragraph:
    There can be no doubt that a powerful nuclear power will not protect its peninsula from disaster.

    If you do not understand, read it again.
    The second "not" particle in the sentence is superfluous.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 15 June 2016 07: 22
    +8
    And where to go to Europe and the United States, you can shout as much as you like that Crimea is occupied by Russia, but the fact remains - the Crimeans and Putin have made a decision. The West and the United States are furious because they received a checkmate in two moves, firstly, they underestimated the capabilities of the GRU and other power departments of Russia. Then there was a brilliant move with the "flight" of Yanukovych and his letter asking for help and, unequivocally, the holding of the referendum and Putin's instant reaction to its result (the annexation and status of Crimea). I remember the confusion of the West in the media, except for the screams about the annexation of nothing, so they swallowed it, it's just scary to admit it, but we're not in a hurry, we'll wait.
  • Vladimir57
    Vladimir57 15 June 2016 07: 39
    +10
    Once again, ERROR FIXED FINALLY! soldier
  • Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik 15 June 2016 07: 39
    +1
    For a long time not news! Crimea returned home! soldier
  • parusnik
    parusnik 15 June 2016 07: 44
    +1
    Understanding of this is demonstrated by the West today. In the words of Rasmussen, he recognized: Crimea finally and irrevocably left Ukraine. ... You should not delude yourself ... There is no official recognition ... and there never will be ... It will not be, if only because the West has to constantly poke something towards Russia ... "And you occupied Crimea" ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 15 June 2016 07: 49
    +5
    But who is this Rasmussen, the usual cheap stuff, such things in the West do not even forgive their own, so he ran into the banderlog. And about the military operations in Crimea, this will mean only one thing, the full return of Ukraine to the shores of Russia.
  • VeterS
    VeterS 15 June 2016 07: 50
    -8
    Russia has returned Crimea, task No. 1 has been solved. Task number 2: return the Crimeans to Russia ... The West has not measured out this task for forty years, so Russia has moved! Time is our main ally, but also the enemy! Such a paradox!
    1. pticas
      pticas 15 June 2016 09: 44
      +18
      Crimeans ALWAYS remained Russians!
      Some are older by the "Soviet", some are younger by the "Russians" - but never by Ukrainians!
      PS I apologize for the ukroflag, which for me, Sevastopol, is molded for some reason on the site.
      1. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 15 June 2016 12: 08
        +3
        Don’t pay attention to your colleague’s comment on VeterS - apparently he himself has never been to Crimea and did not communicate with Crimeans, therefore he writes something about which he has no idea. And I had a chance to visit you, the impressions are the most positive and pleasant both from the Crimea and from Crimeans. And I wish Crimea and Sevastopol prosperity, and not vegetation as it was under Ukrainian rule. And yet, it is interesting when in the Crimea the roads are finally completely repaired. hi
        1. mult-65
          mult-65 15 June 2016 14: 54
          +1
          Repair is in full swing. I watched that summer.
        2. VeterS
          VeterS 15 June 2016 21: 17
          +2
          Son, I have a crew floor from Sevastopol. Less illusions, less blood ... It’s time to learn this paradigm, otherwise the caps will not be enough again!
          1. Alexy
            Alexy 16 June 2016 07: 44
            +1
            To whom it was really bad when Russia already left for Ukraine. Many, by the way, just returned.
      2. RUBEROID
        RUBEROID 15 June 2016 23: 51
        +1
        I agree with your every word. Greetings from Simferopol.
  • rotmistr60
    rotmistr60 15 June 2016 08: 05
    0
    As if Ukraine did not puff up with the support of the West, and the train had already left for a long time and did not catch up with it, no matter how they tried.
    The West has made it clear that it does not support the military plans of Kiev

    He may have given it, but at the same time he turns a blind eye to the military chaos that Kiev is creating, and it also actively helps.
  • solovey
    solovey 15 June 2016 08: 08
    +3
    I don’t understand how much you can talk about Crimea and relations with Turkey? They think that we will change or the authorities will merge these issues (on the second question, then the authorities will merge the people).
    They want to exaggerate these issues, let them try to pick them up by force.
    1. Yuyuka
      Yuyuka 15 June 2016 10: 14
      +2
      I don’t understand how much you can talk about Crimea and relations with Turkey? They think that we will change or the authorities will merge these issues (on the second question, then the authorities will merge the people).
      They want to exaggerate these issues, let them try to pick them up by force.


      - Something bothers me Honduras ...
      - And you do not harass him! (with)

      If they do not fiddle with "Honduras", it will become sluggish and disappear as unnecessary, so it will be for a long time ...
  • Corsair0304
    Corsair0304 15 June 2016 08: 12
    +5
    Many in the West understand that de facto Crimea is already Russian and there will be no turning back. But the West cannot recognize this de jure, because:
    1. the overseas black lord will be upset and will create Europe some kind of dirty trick like refugees;
    2. this will mean that the sanctions imposed against Russia were fundamentally wrong and unfounded.
    3. if clause 2 happens, then at the head of the Eurosian are, to put it mildly, stupid people because of which the people living in these countries have suffered great economic losses. And if so - to drive these stupid people with a filthy broom. And they really do not want this.
  • 1536
    1536 15 June 2016 08: 20
    +5
    These rasmussenov have a new idea: to separate Crimea from Russia, make it "independent" (following the example of Kosovo), and then place a NATO military base there, raising the question of withdrawing the Black Sea Fleet from Crimea. Then they will lift the sanctions, the Russian population will be subjected to genocide and will be forced to leave, and the peninsula will turn into a transit point for oil and drugs. This is how he is this Rasmussen, cheerful, laughs, dances.
  • valent45
    valent45 15 June 2016 08: 23
    +3
    Some more time will pass and Western figures themselves will come to Crimea to rest.
    1. Lelek
      Lelek 15 June 2016 11: 08
      +2
      Quote: valent45
      Some more time will pass and Western figures themselves will come to Crimea to rest.


      NO TIME to pass, in 15 EU travel agencies sell tickets to the Crimea. Italian winegrowers have been working on the peninsula for more than a year and not without success. French and Austrian architects are probing the restoration of historical monuments. So what with the initiative Crimea and Europe! good yes
  • Gray 43
    Gray 43 15 June 2016 08: 27
    +3
    Westerners (ordinary people) often call Ukrainians Russians, since they do not see the difference
  • Darkness
    Darkness 15 June 2016 08: 54
    +4
    And when will Russian banks come to Russian Crimea? When with a Crimean registration it will be possible to obtain, for example, a loan?
  • complete zero
    complete zero 15 June 2016 08: 56
    +1
    Rasmussen P, O, L, U, P, P, I, D, P nor any male concepts .. took and handed in a personal conversation? ... but there’s nothing to take with Poroshenko (except for sweets) ... in truth they believe that they will return the Crimea?)))))
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 15 June 2016 09: 23
    +1
    The article correctly says yours only that you can protect.
    And while we have the opportunity to defend the right to our territories,
    they will remain ours. As an example, the reverse transfer of our islands on the Amur to the Chinese.
    And what about the Crimea, so it was only important for us,
    so that he is not in the possession of our enemies.
    1. vetrov
      vetrov 15 June 2016 12: 35
      +1
      Quote: Zomanus

      "And what about Crimea, it was only important for us that
      so that it is not in the possession of our enemies. "

      But let me disagree with this! Not only that was important! This is historically our territory and our people live there! People who have not ceased to be ours despite decades under Ukrainian rule. People who in word and deed have shown their will to the whole world! This is much more important than just a territory, even as fertile and strategically important as the Crimea!
  • dsm100
    dsm100 15 June 2016 09: 23
    +3
    Didn’t it really come to some figures that our Crimea was ?! He was, is and always will be ours, and no one will ever give it back, it is neither a thing nor a subject for bargaining.
  • azer
    azer 15 June 2016 10: 38
    +1
    Beautifully green kind little men returned the primordial lands to the HOMELAND of praise and honor to them. And most importantly, without a single shot.
  • 31rus2
    31rus2 15 June 2016 10: 39
    +1
    Crimea will be a hot topic for a long time and the West will use this theme for the rest of its life on our planet, if only the West itself exists
  • silver_roman
    silver_roman 15 June 2016 10: 49
    +2
    the exhausted mouth is rampant (or whatever it is), its services are no longer needed, its words no longer define anything. In general, do not believe the words coming from the west. These are typical cheaters, liars and scum.
    Pure pragmatism.
    And at the expense of the Crimea, Turkey and the village of Roshen, it’s even ridiculous to discuss this issue. Crimea is an extremely priority place - the territory of Russia. No states are able to influence the situation while the Russian Federation exists. I'm not talking about all kinds of dogs like Turkey.
  • atamankko
    atamankko 15 June 2016 11: 08
    0
    They always knew this, but they’ll use this topic against us forever,
    polite people greatly offended them, such a tidbit flew past his mouth.
  • Jääkorppi
    Jääkorppi 15 June 2016 12: 02
    +3
    Do not flatter yourself and engage in complacency! Anglo-Saxons never give up their goals! This is their strength! They can retreat, pretend, promise, but all these are tactical tricks! And their goal is not the return of some kind of Crimea to Ukraine, but the destruction of Russia as a state and its dismemberment! And they will try to repeat 1991 if not now then in a year, in five or ten years! And there are a lot of prerequisites for this! And we must not look and do not wait that they will lift or not lift the sanctions, and deal with their country.
  • Pete mitchell
    Pete mitchell 15 June 2016 13: 46
    +8
    Push your neighbor, for the distant one will draw near and roll toward you - allied wisdom.
    .. “Just as we never recognized the illegal accession by the Soviet Union of the three Baltic countries - Estonia, Latvia and Lithuania, we will never recognize the illegal accession of Crimea to Russia,” the former Secretary General of NATO emphasized That is hypocritical rubbish, and "not recognition" was that you fed the pseudo governments in exile and frankly "raked in the heat" with the hands of forest brothers. About the same, they will save 404 in the country.
    Lord, well, send down a little bit of wisdom to the "friends of the West" and their peoples, and they can't read a couple of books on history - an Oliver Stone film about the history of America. Maybe they will at least think a little about the fact that they have to live by their own interests. After all, they will "play" the naive, put up for distribution, and then hand over with all the costs.
  • _my opinion
    _my opinion 15 June 2016 14: 21
    +1
    Crimea finally left Ukraine. This is already openly recognized by Western politicians.

    smile untiloooooo it comes to them ... however, some dill politicians did not reach (or they pretend that did not reach) smile
  • isker
    isker 15 June 2016 21: 09
    +4
    Crimea finally left Ukraine, and the so-called. "Ukrainian people" - forever left the heart of Russia!
  • Evil 55
    Evil 55 16 June 2016 12: 37
    0
    Sometimes the truth is told "The Tales of Uncle Rasmussen" ..
  • akudr48
    akudr48 16 June 2016 20: 36
    0
    Western politicians openly admit, that means #Krymnash, that’s good.

    But not all Western politicians recognize it.

    For example, Gref - does not recognize, does not open Sberbank in Crimea, for him, then, means #Krymnenash, and nothing is done to him.

    Different Western politicians are with them and with us.
  • ochakow703
    ochakow703 17 June 2016 05: 27
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    Crimea cannot be someone else’s, it’s just Crimea — part of the Russian land with the Russian people. Who needs proof - learn history and read smart books.
    PS Unfortunately this does not apply to dill, they smoked their brains and replaced the nuland-cookies. The disease however ...
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    infantry76 17 June 2016 11: 45
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    Lord comrades!
    Crimea (Tavrida) at one time became (became), after that it was (before the well-known events of 1954), and today it is and will continue to be Russian. And this is a fact! Sooner or later, absolutely all states of the world will recognize this, although it makes us neither cold nor hot! In memory of this, there is already a monument to "Polite People", and on the Day of the Navy, the monument to Empress Catherine II in Simferopol will be restored to its original place!
    I have the honor! soldier