US in attempts to open a "Mongol front"? About Kerry's visit to Ulaanbaatar and statements about Mongolia’s “dangerous neighborhood”

Last Sunday, an event occurred that, as it happened, rare Russian mass media honored with their attention. We are talking about the official visit to Mongolia of US Secretary of State John Kerry.

It would seem, so what, of his own, from the fact that the chief American diplomat (ex officio) visited this Asian state? What is this to us here in Russia? .. But there is a matter ... And the substantial interest in Kerry’s visit to Ulan Bator is at least what statement the American Secretary of State has allowed himself to make from the rostrum of the Mongolian capital. The fact is that from the speech of John Kerry, the whole of Mongolia learned that it is “an oasis of democracy sandwiched between Russia and China.”

The fact that Mongolia is located between Russia and China, the Mongols, of course, knew before the visit of the high American guest. But the fact that it is “squeezed” (this is with a territory of more than 1.5 million square kilometers - like a good dozen not of the smallest European states), and even a “democratic oasis” against the background of recent statements from the US - was listened to, , with genuine attention.

From the speech of John Kerry addressed to the people of Mongolia, the implication was that this country is clearly endangered by its neighbors (of course, “undemocratic”), and that the States are literally at any moment ready to come to the Mongols to help “protect the Mongolian democracy” ...

It is noteworthy that Mr. Kerry made his visit to Ulaanbaatar on the eve of the day when events were held in Mongolia as part of a cultural exchange to celebrate the Day of Russia - a few days before June 12. In particular, on the occasion of the Russian national holiday, a reception was held at the Russian embassy in Ulan Bator. The events, among other things, were devoted to the anniversary of the establishment of diplomatic relations between Russia and Mongolia (95 years).

Is it possible in this connection to call the choice of the date of Kerry's visit to Mongolia bordering on Russia random? There is an opinion that the State Department does not allow such accidents, and the visit was carefully planned, including the date of arrival of the US Secretary of State in order to convey to the Mongolian people the "truth about the dangerous neighborhood."

What else did the US Secretary of State interpret while visiting Ulan Bator?

According to Kerry, who leads the news agency Reuters, The US is hoping for a close partnership with Mongolia, and their (US) "is inspired by a quarter-century story Mongolian democracy after liberation from the influence of the Soviet Union ".

Carried Kerry and a meeting with the "young Mongolian leaders" in the US Embassy in Ulan Bator.

And Mr. Kerry, apparently, hoped that such words and meetings would inspire the Mongols to some fateful accomplishments at the request of both the Secretary of State and the United States as a whole. However, it has not happened yet. The Mongolian media within a few hours after John Kerry’s bravura speech came out with materials about the unexpected and suspicious metamorphosis of the American leadership in relation to official Ulan Bator. After all, quite recently - just last year, the US State Department, headed by the same John Kerry, distributed a report on human rights in different countries of the world. And in this very report there was not a word about how “the USA is inspired by Mongolian democracy.” But in the material of the State Department it was noted that in Mongolia "there is no transparency of the activities of all branches of government, the effective work of the government has been undermined due to the presence of a substantial level of corruption." Officials of the US State Department also pointed out some “vagueness of election laws”. In particular, with the filing of certain groups of Mongolian human rights activists, it was stated that the electoral law infringes upon small parties claiming seats in the country's parliament. In Mongolia, it infringes, and in the United States, you understand, it does not infringe, and small parties there feel like fish in water ... Who ever heard anything about the success of a small party at the federal level in the US? .. So the Mongols did not heard ...

For obvious reasons, the spread of its influence in Mongolia is the “blue dream” of Washington. Indeed, by extension of influence, Washington primarily understands not the development of economic contacts, but the geopolitical component. And taking into account the geographical position of Mongolia, the United States could have an additional opportunity to test the strength of Russia and China. This is evidenced by the statement of the notorious US Senator John McCain, voiced at the beginning of last year. McCain then expressed himself in the spirit that "Mongolia is forced to seek protection from both the southern neighbor of China and the northern one - Russia, due to their unpredictability." The Mongols were quite surprised that they were “forced to seek protection,” just as many were surprised by Kerry’s current statements. But the fact remains that the United States is clearly going to probe the Mongolian soil on the subject of crops of anti-Russian and anti-Chinese relations and views. It’s unlikely that Washington will succeed in sticking US military bases all over Mongolia - the deployment of foreign bases is prohibited by Mongolian law, but it is well known even from recent history ... how persistent sometimes Washington is.

And the American administration, which in its place remains to act at all for a long time, is trying to cling to Mongolia with all the diplomatic forces so far.

And what about Mongolia? While clearly digesting the statements of US officials, but at the same time demonstrates that these same statements about the "threat from the north and south" are clearly exaggerated. Very clearly ... So, literally the day after Kerry’s visit from Ulan Bator came news that Mongolia is connecting to a large-scale project of Russia and China to create a long road transit route. Mongolian news agency montsame.mn reports that the Mongolian government 13 Jun approved a draft intergovernmental agreement on the implementation of international transit traffic through the Asian road network. This agreement includes support for cooperation in the field of transport, regulation of the legal relations of the parties in matters of trade facilitation between the three countries mentioned above and third partners from the region. In addition, it connects the giant transport networks of Russia, Mongolia and the PRC with the possibility of accessing other regions.

"Road" partnership is certainly great, but it is unlikely to remain the only breakthrough area in Russia's relations with neighboring Mongolia. For getting one more hostile state from its borders after a series of visits to Ulan Bator by American officials is an unaffordable luxury.

Comments

[Mavrikiy]

The Mongols remember the help that we rendered them in raising the country.

[Ghermesus]

Yes, they all remember ... Only now a lot of time has passed, other people are at the helm, and the current allies are looking, if not in the mouth of Russia, then on her back, so that if something happens, she would stab with a knife, working out her bread in front of the West.

[PKK]

Kerry is clearly raising the Mongolian "Gorbachev", since he rubs something with the leaders of the youth. He met with everyone for disguise.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: PKK

Kerry is clearly raising Mongolian "Gorbachev"

Let him grow potatoes in his garden, it will come in handy - Johnny has only a little left of state. But the geographical position of Mongolia makes it live in peace and harmony with its neighbors - Russia and China. For the state has no other land borders. And how do you think the Russian Federation and the People's Republic of China will react to the appearance of the next pro-American "oasis of democracy" at their borders? The Mongols understand this perfectly.

[gladcu2]

Ami de peuple

You understand that NATO is an instrument of colonization. Nobody will grow potatoes in Mongolia. And they will grow an imaginary threat.

[Zoldat_A]

Quote: Ami du peuple

But the geographical position of Mongolia makes it live in peace and harmony with its neighbors - Russia and China. For the state has no other land borders. And what do you think, will the Russian Federation and the PRC react to the appearance of another pro-American "oasis of democracy" near their borders? The Mongols understand this very well.

I would be interested to see how Kerry would try to push into Mongolia, for example, some kind of missile defense system or a dozen tanks, as in Estonia. Mongolia is not Poland and not Romania and, especially, not Germany or France. And about the neighbors you correctly noticed ...

America’s common misfortune is that they are trying to treat the whole world according to the same patterns. And they don’t understand that these templates are not very suitable for themselves ...

[Vodrak]

damn, how much more will this dove of peace s.rat around Russia will be? what do they have? planes do not fall?

[avdkrd]

Quote: PKK

Kerry is clearly raising the Mongolian "Gorbachev", since he rubs something with the leaders of the youth. He met with everyone for disguise.

Yes, it is impossible to imagine what ideas Kerry fueled when he sang to the Mongols about democracy and an aggressive neighbor. Probably the idea was thrown by the same characters who write the lyrics for Psaki and Kirby. Mongolia exists in spite of China and thanks to Russia - Mongolia is well aware of this. Mongolia may not know (an unconfirmed assumption) how "effective" the defense of democratic values ​​from the United States is, but they know the role of Russia in ensuring the existence of their country, they know about the potential threat from the "south" and know that only the "North" will neutralize it. The "leaders" of the youth who met with Kerry have nothing to do with the leaders, rather the leaders with the letter P. negative value (when the comprador sells the interests of the country, not goods). On the other hand, it is important to understand who named the pliders as leaders. Did they call themselves that? The State Department called them that? According to the Russian experience, not every leader appointed by the State Department for this role can gain not only the minimum% of the vote, even recognition is not enough. It is unlikely that the State Department appointees are different in Mongolia ...

[Talgat]

I agree -

Quote: avdkrd

Mongolia exists contrary to China and thanks to Russia

I apologize for the repetitions - but still I repeat - Mongolia and Russia are one and the same. This is the Eurasian Empire - temporarily fragmented by external enemies and a combination of circumstances.

Mongolia is almost Kazakhstan or Tatarstan with Bashkiria, just the language is not Turkic - but our mentality, the steppes. And customs and culture and cuisine are all alike. Any Tatar or Altai or Kazakh will say that the Mongol is a native person to him.

The Mongols have nothing in common with either China or the United States. China has been a threat for thousands of years. And Russia, the USSR, the Golden Horde, Eurasia as a whole is a native civilization for the Mongols. We are all steppe inhabitants - our ancestors drank koumiss (and we drink) lived in yurts and wandered with cattle. For a Mongol, a brother is not a Chinese. and not an american. And the steppe is drilled from the north and from the Altai.

Mongolia is one of the Golden Horde uluses - and it will remain so. Not in vain during the Great Patriotic War, at the time of great trials, the Mongolian people showed an example of heroism and sacrifice in the struggle against the opponents of Eurasia - Europe and Japan.

[gav6757]

The Mongols live on their own, do not go into big politics and do not call anyone!
Pi-n-dos are used to giving everyone directions, but here it’s unlikely to give a ride, the mentality is different!
True, overseas partners do not understand this, so it is unlikely that they will achieve anything ...

[Red_Hamer]

And I, (the list of the victims of the "Mongol yoke"), as a response to Kiev to its financial claims, really liked it! If in the same spirit, and to the United States with its ambitions, it would be good. But this American mold will seep everywhere. In Mongolia, US fighters have already appeared, what would they do there? I hope not just another "missile defense from Iran" as if by chance on the sly (under the guise of some kind of garbage, like the entomological institute joke) did not stick.

[RUSS]

Quote: Germesus

Yes, they all remember ... Only now a lot of time has passed, other people are at the helm,

"At the helm" people are what you need! The current president of Mongolia Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorzh studied in the USSR, namely at the Lviv Higher Military-Political School, by the way, he still speaks Russian!

[Aurelius]

In Lviv? Who knows what he got there

[gladcu2]

Aurelius

Normal picked up. In Western Ukraine, university teachers in 70% were seconded teachers from all the republics of the USSR. Most from Russia. And very high quality. So, you can not worry about Lviv University.

[72jora72]

In Lviv? Who knows what he got there

No need to jerk, Lviv was an ordinary Soviet city speaking Russian, I’m telling you like a native Lviv.

[Alekseits]

Just do not tell people fairy tales. My brother, who was living in Lviv at that time, spoke Russian to me, but only on the street, and in shops only in Ukrainian. He said that otherwise the sellers look away, pretending that they do not understand. By the way, taxi drivers at the station did just that when I, in Russian, asked me to give a ride. And, the main condition for appointing a brother to the post of director was his knowledge of the Ukrainian language, because they spoke only Ukrainian at work.

[72jora72]

Just do not tell people fairy tales. My brother, who was living in Lviv at that time, spoke Russian to me, but only on the street, and in shops only in Ukrainian. He said that otherwise the sellers look away, pretending that they do not understand. By the way, taxi drivers at the station did just that when I, in Russian, asked me to give a ride. And, the main condition for appointing a brother to the post of director was his knowledge of the Ukrainian language, because they spoke only Ukrainian at work.

This is how myths are born ...
Dear, until 1998, almost 20 percent of the population of Lviv were Jews, and they certainly did not speak "mov" and did not oppress the Russians ...
P.C. Do not write that which you do not understand at all.

Sincerely.

[Victorio]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Germesus

Yes, they all remember ... Only now a lot of time has passed, other people are at the helm,

"At the helm" people are what you need! The current President of Mongolia Tsakhiagiin Elbegdorj studied in the USSR, namely in the Lviv Higher Military-Political School, by the way, he still speaks Russian!

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I think that now their youth with a greater desire will go to the United States or Europe, and upon returning, they are already ready agents of influence

[razmik72]

Quote: Germesus

Yes, they all remember ... Only now a lot of time has passed, other people are at the helm, and the current allies are looking, if not in the mouth of Russia, then on her back, so that if something happens, she would stab with a knife, working out her bread in front of the West.

Russia does not need allies, it needs sixes, and if the six takes a step left or a step to the right without the permission of the overlord, then this is already a firing squad. Garegin Nzhdeh at the beginning of the 20th century. Great Nzhdeh could not imagine that his nationalist doctrine "tsegakron" would be adopted by the party that turned Armenia into a puppet of Russia. But it got to the point that the monument to Garegin Nzhdeh caused indignation in Moscow and the speaker Russian Foreign Ministry Maria Zakharova demanded explanations from official Yerevan about the installation of a monument to Nzhdeh in Yerevan. Six of Russia brought the country to such a point that even they themselves cannot erect a monument to the "ideologist" of their party Garegin Nzhdeh. I would like the Russian Foreign Ministry to continue the pressure on the Armenian authorities and demanded to demolish this monument. Let's see how many hours after that your sh eaters The Russian government confuses the corrupt "power" of the country with its people, who have defended their homeland more than once and this time will protect it from the insolent authorities of its northern neighbor.
By the way, in Mongolia there is a huge monument to Genghis Khan, I did not hear something that the Russian authorities would at least express their concern about the installation of the monument to Genghis Khan.

[Altona]

Quote: razmik72

Russia does not need allies, it needs sixes, and if the sixth takes without suzerain’s permission a step to the left, a step to the right, then this is already a firing squad.

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As I understand it, Armenia is such an economically and militarily awkward power that it can afford a great-power policy. Razmik, wearing a pile of gold on your wrist and dissecting a Toyota Camry on your daddy's doesn’t mean that you are anything. I understand that Armenians in Yerevan are full of show-offs, that there is Aznavour in France, and Cher and Kardashian in America, but this does not mean that Armenia is something like a power. Reconquer Ararat from Turkey, and then bend the show-off.

[razmik72]

Quote: Altona

Quote: razmik72

Russia does not need allies, it needs sixes, and if the sixth takes without suzerain’s permission a step to the left, a step to the right, then this is already a firing squad.

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As I understand it, Armenia is such an economically and militarily awkward power that it can afford a great-power policy. Razmik, wearing a pile of gold on your wrist and dissecting a Toyota Camry on your daddy's doesn’t mean that you are anything. I understand that Armenians in Yerevan are full of show-offs, that there is Aznavour in France, and Cher and Kardashian in America, but this does not mean that Armenia is something like a power. Reconquer Ararat from Turkey, and then bend the show-off.

Armenia does not need to pursue a "great-power" policy, it needs to pursue a balanced, independent policy so that the so-called "strategic ally" is not tempted to think that it can do whatever it pleases in Armenia. , you would first take the trouble to find out that Ararat was part of independent Armenia and only through the joint efforts of Bolshevik Russia and Kemalist Turkey was it possible to dismember and destroy the First Armenian Republic in 1920. Half of Armenia, along with Mount Ararat, went to Turkey, and half was taken by Russia .Russians thought at the expense of Armenians to solve their problems with Turkey and become allies. But such a "wise" policy of the Bolsheviks very quickly failed. Now Turkey has shown itself, stabbing Russia in the back and lower So, before throwing insults, first think that if Ararat is now in Turkey, it is solely because of the treacherous stab in the back of Russia, when she, together with Turkey, torn apart my country. It was against these two forces that he fought in Zangezur Garegin Nzhdeh, the erection of a monument to whom caused the anger of official Moscow. Before making fun of Armenia, think about what the world thinks about Russia and even its six Armenia, when in full view, without hiding, Turkey shoots down its military plane and apart from vague threats, and “you won’t get off with tomatoes,” nothing followed. I often watch the Azerbaijani CBC channel, they have repeatedly shown a documentary film of Turkish filmmakers dedicated to the battle of Sarikamish in World War I. So, in this film, the Turks more than once emphasize that decisive role that the Armenians played in that battle, creating a tribute to the courage and resilience of the Armenian volunteers who fought against them.I have read dozens of articles written by Russian authors aboutThe Sarikamysh battle and did not find the slightest mention in it of the Armenians who fought on the side of the Russian troops against the Turks. It seems that the Turks respect their enemies more than the Russians respect their allies.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: razmik72

It was against these two forces that Garegin Nzhdeh fought in Zangezur,

In short, an Armenian nationalist (like you), who later became a Nazi.

Quote: razmik72

you think what the world thinks about Russia

It excites us very much. Yeah

Quote: razmik72

Turkey shot down its military plane and apart from vague threats, and "you won't get off with tomatoes", nothing followed.

And you slept straight and saw that Russia was bombing Turkish airfields, Turks were bombing Russian airfields, Russian and Turkish pilots were felling each other in packs, the Russian and Turkish fleets were sinking ships from each other with frenzy, then Russia was deploying its Poplars, bang ... and all ... and here are so small, but very proud Armenian the Nazis the nationalists, on white horses and wearing white hats, are solving their "great-power" tasks (such as squeezing one village away from the Turks). And nothing will stick together?

[razmik72]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Quote: razmik72

It was against these two forces that Garegin Nzhdeh fought in Zangezur,

In short, an Armenian nationalist (like you), who later became a Nazi.

Quote: razmik72

you think what the world thinks about Russia

It excites us very much. Yeah

Quote: razmik72

Turkey shot down its military plane and apart from vague threats, and "you won't get off with tomatoes", nothing followed.

And you slept straight and saw that Russia was bombing Turkish airfields, Turks were bombing Russian airfields, Russian and Turkish pilots were felling each other in packs, the Russian and Turkish fleets were sinking ships from each other with frenzy, then Russia was deploying its Poplars, bang ... and all ... and here are so small, but very proud Armenian the Nazis the nationalists, on white horses and wearing white hats, are solving their "great-power" tasks (such as squeezing one village away from the Turks). And nothing will stick together?

I shouldn’t squeeze anything from Turkey, at least I don’t think so, Turkey can be either a mortal enemy or a good friend. Using the example of this film shown on CBC, I was convinced that the Turks pay tribute to the courage of Armenian soldiers who fought against them, and it’s worth it. My great-grandfather also fought in the Battle of Sarykamysh and was wounded. And as to the fact that I am a nationalist, you correctly noticed that the interests of Armenia are more important to me, but not America, Iran, Russia, etc. d.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: razmik72

Turkey’s wringing nothing

Well, Azerbaijan is quiet. On Russian bayonets, why not? You, in general, do not think that a downed plane is a little out of your mind? If you want to fight the Turks - go ahead! The flag is like a greitsa in hand and a drum around the neck.

Quote: razmik72

Using the example of this film shown on CBC TV channel, I was convinced that the Turks pay tribute to the courage of Armenian soldiers

Oh, that’s so touching! I'll cry now! Well, go and squeeze with the Turks! They will not oppress you like Russia!

Quote: razmik72

And about the fact that I’m a nationalist, you correctly noticed that

Only you hid for a long time. Pretended to be a hose, like Erdogan

Quote: razmik72

For me, the interests of Armenia, and not America, Iran, Russia, etc. are more important.

Yes, only because of your small-town nationalist thinking, you cannot even clearly articulate them.

[EvgNik]

Quote: razmik72

And about the fact that I’m a nationalist, you correctly noticed thatArmenian interests are more important to me

And that is why the whole villages of Armenians go to permanent residence in Russia. From the great love of their homeland.

[andrewkor]

At the time of "perestroika", not to be mentioned at night, the "VIZH" magazine published a report of the tsarist "Okhranka" on the activities of "Dashnak Tsutyun" in Russia. So the main ideology of the small Armenian nation, sandwiched between two empires, is to cling to one of them and feed on its juices for the time being, waiting for the moment of liberation and flourishing. It is also indicated that the Armenian Church, respected by me personally, is very ancient, in relation to the Russian Orthodox Church is heretical, Monophysite-denying the Trinity!

[excomandante]

It is interesting. Thanks for the tip, I'll look for differences between Orthodox churches, I thought everything was the same at least among the Orthodox)))

[marl]

Quote: razmik72

you think what the world thinks about Russia

So what?! The main thing is that we think about Russia, and not what the world thinks about it. Do you really care what your neighbor thinks of you? I'm not there.

Quote: razmik72

even her six Armenia, when in plain sight, without hiding Turkey shot down her military plane and apart from vague threats, and "you won't get off with tomatoes", nothing followed.

But the fact that nothing came of Armenia, let it remain on the conscience of Armenia. And other states, from which too nothing followed. As a rule, Russia itself deals with its problems and does not expect help from anyone.

[Stas_77]

Strange You are right, on the basis of one film you draw conclusions, but you yourself realize that you have a negative attitude towards Russia. Perhaps you are right that in our historiography an insufficient moment is given to your perseverance, but I am sure that you do not consider our merits too much. To tell the truth, I didn’t delve into your history too much, but I don’t know the war in the Caucasus in WW1 within the school curriculum, that we, sometimes starting operations earlier, saved you from massacres, I think everyone has already recognized. Although you look at our brothers Slavs and ...... well, you know. Here you hold the offense that your country was divided into parts, but you have a one-sided insult in our direction, I do not hear in your "voice" a reproach against Turkey. One thing is not clear to me, what have we annoyed you with?

[Monarchist]

The Bolsheviks initially raved about the international mess. This is the first, and the second: look at the national composition of the Council of People's Commissars, who acquired there? And who is the US strategic ally in the Middle East?

[Homo]

And why not shut up all of you, "proud" and "independent"! If not for Russia, you as an ethnos would not exist for a long time. Neither Armenians, nor Georgians, nor Bulgarians!

[iliya87]

Ramzik, you read about the Armenians in Russia. Are you aware, for example, that all of the Ros.Gos. Strakh belongs to the Armenian ?, and how many Armenians are in the highest ranks of the police? Maybe you occupied us? )) To be honest, how much Russia influences Armenia, Armenia no less influences Russia. For better or worse, I won’t take it into account, but it’s a fact. At the expense of sixes, give an example of one state (recognized by the entire world community) that we would twirl as we wanted? I’m sure not one example. And if we take such as Abkhazia for example, then excuse me, without our help - it would have been Georgia long ago, since the people of Abkhazia did not want to go under the Georgians and we are forced to pour in not a small amount of money, then such semi-formed non-state countries will naturally be controlled , here Russia has nothing to do with it and it’s the world practice of the whole history.

[Stas_77]

And in the cinema we have only Armenians, before Germans, historians, our history was composed, now Armenians, when will patience end?

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: razmik72

Russia does not need allies, it needs sixes, and if the sixth takes without suzerain’s permission a step to the left, a step to the right, then this is already a firing squad.

Did yesterday's minuses affect you so much? Your "steps", dear, for some reason are always done according to the principle of eating a fish and sitting on a chair. After your steps, dear, our Motherland is already becoming much more vulnerable. Apparently, you also confuse our people and the authorities. If I were in the place of our government, I would generally not give you a nie ... but I wouldn't give it to you just like that, otherwise you got divorced here, oppressed and freedom-loving ... As a rooster bites in the back, we are looking for advice and loans to Moscow, slightly - just start moaning for freedom.

Quote: razmik72

this time will protect her from the impudent authorities of the northern neighbor.

Did you rip off the mask on time? Not in a hurry? And I’ll probably keep this your phrase, so that next time you will remind her

[razmik72]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Quote: razmik72

Russia does not need allies, it needs sixes, and if the sixth takes without suzerain’s permission a step to the left, a step to the right, then this is already a firing squad.

Did yesterday's minuses affect you so much? Your "steps", dear, for some reason are always done according to the principle of eating a fish and sitting on a chair. After your steps, dear, our Motherland is already becoming much more vulnerable. Apparently, you also confuse our people and the authorities. If I were in the place of our government, I would generally not give you a nie ... but I wouldn't give it to you just like that, otherwise you got divorced here, oppressed and freedom-loving ... As a rooster bites in the back, we are looking for advice and loans to Moscow, slightly - just start moaning for freedom.

Quote: razmik72

this time will protect her from the impudent authorities of the northern neighbor.

Did you rip off the mask on time? Not in a hurry? And I’ll probably keep this your phrase, so that next time you will remind her

And I will not give up my words, they do not speak to the country in such a tone and in such an orderly manner, from my comments, many Russians may get the wrong opinion that I am a "Russophobe", which is fundamentally not true. , then they refer to the authorities of Russia, and not to the Russian people, which, unfortunately, is deprived of access to making state decisions and in Russia everyone knows who makes foreign policy decisions. If it comes to that, then I want to dispel another myth, who is so diligently introducing Russian state propaganda into the minds of people - Russia has not supplied Armenia with a single cartridge for three years, but arming Armenia's enemy to the teeth - Azerbaijan.Our Ministry of Defense after the April war, in order to save the face of Russia, lied to the Armenians that all supplies go on schedule, Russia "continues" to arm Armenia, but when asked about what would provide a range of weapons, the Ministry of Defense was forced to admit that there were no arms supplies from Russia.
In addition, I once again draw the attention of Russians to the monument of Genghis Khan, standing in Mongolia.

[avt]

Quote: razmik72

Many Russians may get the wrong opinion from my comments that I am a "Russophobe", which is fundamentally wrong. If I have any claims, they refer to the Russian authorities, and not to the Russian people, which, unfortunately, is denied access to the adoption of state decisions and in Russia everyone knows who makes foreign policy decisions.

Yeah that's it

Quote: avt

those Armenians who rushed the metro in the USSR in Moscow, were not adherents of this teaching for an hour?

They also "fought" in the USSR against "totalitarian imperialism for an independent" Armenia, but for some reason the Moscow Metro was not blown up with

Quote: razmik72

to the authorities of Russia

but quite to myself with ordinary citizens of the USSR using the underground. And that paratrooper at the beginning of the Karabakh war, whom yours killed, because it seemed to them that he was taking out their "weapons from the army base, their parents were from the Central Committee of the CPSU, or Council of Ministers of the USSR?

[EvgNik]

Quote: razmik72

If I have complaints, then they relate to the authorities of Russia, and not to the Russian people, who, unfortunately, are deprived of access to state decisions

And I would like to add. This is probably why your sites are closed to us. They threw me a couple of links where you scammed about Russia - they don't work. Interestingly, you can watch "Censor" Ukrainian, but not yours.

[razmik72]

Quote: EvgNik

Quote: razmik72

If I have complaints, then they relate to the authorities of Russia, and not to the Russian people, who, unfortunately, are deprived of access to state decisions

And I would like to add. This is probably why your sites are closed to us. They threw me a couple of links where you scammed about Russia - they don't work. Interestingly, you can watch "Censor" Ukrainian, but not yours.

Eugene, I know with what unconcealed "sympathy" you treat the Armenians, these "fiends of hell" .

[EvgNik]

Quote: razmik72

I know with what undisguised "sympathy" you treat the Armenians, these "fiends of hell"

Well, not a "devil". But still. Our factory was destroyed by an Armenian. The town-forming enterprise disappeared. He also wanted to take the city under his arm, the residents were smart enough not to vote for it. By the way, this sign says a lot:

[EvgNik]

Yes, here she is, she didn’t immediately get in.

[Stas_77]

And I will not give up my words, they do not speak to the country in such a tone and in such an orderly manner, from my comments, many Russians may get the wrong opinion that I am a "Russophobe", which is fundamentally not true. , then they refer to the authorities of Russia, and not to the Russian people, which, unfortunately, is deprived of access to making state decisions and in Russia everyone knows who makes foreign policy decisions. If it comes to that, then I want to dispel another myth, who is so diligently introducing Russian state propaganda into the minds of people - Russia has not supplied Armenia with a single cartridge for three years, but arming Armenia's enemy to the teeth - Azerbaijan.Our Ministry of Defense after the April war, in order to save the face of Russia, lied to the Armenians that all supplies go on schedule, Russia "continues" to arm Armenia, but when asked about what would provide a range of weapons, the Ministry of Defense was forced to admit that there were no arms supplies from Russia.
In addition, I once again draw the attention of Russians to the monument of Genghis Khan, standing in Mongolia.
Let's not play around, not to the Russian authorities, but to Russia, that is, to the people who inhabit the country, we can say as much as we like that we do not dislike the Americans, but their politicians, but how when we meet them where, we say .. Yes, we know that we have little influence on the adoption of state. solutions, are you more, or Americans? And about the "patrons" as they wrote to you here, enough to feed and support the parasites, pay and you will be supplied with equipment, so they trade all over the world. And about Genghis Khan, can you bite in another way?

[razmik72]

Dear Stas77, Garegin Nzhdeh was primarily a nationalist, philosopher and military leader who, in an uneven struggle, defended the southern regions of Armenia (Zangezur) for Armenia, otherwise it would have been transferred to Azerbaijan in 1921, as happened with Nakhichevan and Karabakh Before expressing its concern, the Russian Foreign Ministry, if it is a serious organization, had to take into account the reaction to its "concern" from the Armenian population, the "authorities" of Armenia would not dare to utter a cry in response to Russian "concerns", but the population is not happy about this shameless interference in the internal affairs of their country.
As for the monument to Genghis Khan, I will give another example - in St. Petersburg they gathered to install a memorial plaque on the house where the royal officer Mannerheim lived in his youth. I hope you know what a headache for the USSR Marshal Mannerheim was during the Second World War. By the way, the same Garegin Nzhdeh was an officer of the tsarist army and faithfully served Russia, was awarded two St. George crosses.

[Chisayna]

All Armenians need to gather in their homeland, as their wandering brothers did. Otherwise, they had come to Russia, and they looked at Kaliningrad and drooled. Here they would gather, start working and resell cognac to each other. Armenia will strengthen economically and physically. then Ararat and Fujiyama will recover in addition.

[razmik72]

Quote: Chisain

All Armenians need to gather in their homeland, as their wandering brothers did. Otherwise, they had come to Russia, and they looked at Kaliningrad and drooled. Here they would gather, start working and resell cognac to each other. Armenia will strengthen economically and physically. then Ararat and Fujiyama will recover in addition.

Chisayna, thank you for your kind words, I would really like the same for the Armenians to gather in their historic homeland.

[Chisayna]

It can help you. We with friends will help the Armenians leave Siberia. Well, others will help the Armenians leave other places and cities.

[razmik72]

Quote: Chisain

It can help you. We with friends will help the Armenians leave Siberia. Well, others will help the Armenians leave other places and cities.

If the Armenians bother you so much, then you can evict them from Russia, this is your business, but being drawn into this game, you may not notice how you yourself have become "Armenians" and someone for you decided that you are not a purebred Russian, you have an admixture of other people's blood in your blood .

[Chisayna]

I’m not in that sense. And in the sense, I’ll help you load things, food onto the road, etc. But I won’t succeed in becoming an Armenian. Well, I don’t have Armenians in my family.

[razmik72]

Quote: Chisain

I’m not in that sense. And in the sense, I’ll help you load things, food onto the road, etc. But I won’t succeed in becoming an Armenian. Well, I don’t have Armenians in my family.

I am glad that you are so glad to help the Armenians in their training camps. but you understood me very well, I put the Armenian word in quotation marks, they would take the Armenians, and God knows who will finish. I will only be glad if there are no Armenians in Russia, you may not believe me, but it is.

[Chisayna]

These are all words. But in fact, business in Kaliningrad and beautiful girls are in the same place.

[razmik72]

Quote: Chisain

These are all words. But in fact, business in Kaliningrad and beautiful girls are in the same place.

I don’t have a business in Kaliningrad, I just explored business opportunities in this city and came to the conclusion that I should not open a business in Kaliningrad. I don’t refuse words about beautiful Russian girls, I was young when I was married, I was still that naughty but I have already settled down and just stating the beauty of the girls.

[Chisayna]

Yes, to ascertain the beauty of Russian girls is one thing. And to ascertain skirts is another. And we have laid siege to many such jugglers who whistle from cars at the time. You are not one of these rascals. And I also think that business in Russia is not for you need. Let your wife embroider a picture of Ararat with beads. And you sell it among Armenians. Here you will have a good business. And your Ararat will always be with you, since you can’t conquer it.

[razmik72]

Quote: Chisain

Yes, to ascertain the beauty of Russian girls is one thing. And to ascertain skirts is another. And we have laid siege to many such jugglers who whistle from cars at the time. You are not one of these rascals. And I also think that business in Russia is not for you need. Let your wife embroider a picture of Ararat with beads. And you sell it among Armenians. Here you will have a good business. And your Ararat will always be with you, since you can’t conquer it.

But why conquer what has long been lost and where the Kurds and not the Turks live. You should not make fun of it, I can also get so excited that you won’t find it.
If you put the Dzhigits in their place, then how to understand that in the center of Moscow, I myself witnessed this, more recently, several cars with Dzhigits, they definitely spoke neither Russian nor Armenian, they arranged races among themselves with firing into the air . And this went on for quite some time. At that time, to my deep regret, you were not there, otherwise you would have besieged these horsemen, there was no one else.

[Chisayna]

Well, make fun of it, but I live not in Moscow but in Siberia. And we have dark horsemans, it doesn’t matter what shape their nose behaves quietly. And I can shoot them myself. And I don’t care about Moscow. I have a grandfather defended this Moscow in 41. And that, and I’m not going to defend Moscow snickering, after all that it has arranged for us, is and will arrange for us in the future.

[razmik72]

Quote: Chisain

Well, make fun of it, but I live not in Moscow but in Siberia. And we have dark horsemans, it doesn’t matter what shape their nose behaves quietly. And I can shoot them myself. And I don’t care about Moscow. I have a grandfather defended this Moscow in 41. And that, and I’m not going to defend Moscow snickering, after all that it has arranged for us, is and will arrange for us in the future.

I’ve already become funny, for your information, but you do not live in Moscow. You wanted to unbalance me by indicating that Mount Ararat is near the Turks, I told you what I saw recently, and it touched you for the living. it doesn’t matter that the people who come to your homeland move around the capital of your homeland. You considered my answer to the fact that the Armenians are better off living on their land false, but I think so quite sincerely, based on the following considerations:
1. The Armenians, unfortunately, are not Jews, they are Christians by faith and, having fallen into Russia, among the Russians, are quickly assimilated.
2. Armenians are not Muslims and often marry Russians, which also leads to accelerated assimilation. For example, my brother, his sons do not know
Armenian. So I sincerely believe that it is better for Armenians to live at home. On this I have to deviate, I don’t know how you are in Siberia, but we have quite late and tomorrow I have several meetings with Georgians.

[Monarchist]

What normal guy will miss a pretty girl? True, the so-called LGBT can write for this, and if memory serves me in the Oval Cabin, democracy is associated with blue people.

[atakan]

understandably ,
spherical Armenians in an imperial vacuum.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: razmik72

Before expressing its concern, the Russian Foreign Ministry, if it is a serious organization, had to take into account the reaction to its "concern" from the Armenian population,

You have personally forgotten to ask when our Ministry of Foreign Affairs can express concern, and when not. You didn’t mislead anything there? What fright do you speak on behalf of the people of Armenia? Is there enough EVE?

the authorities of "Armenia will not dare to utter a word in response to Russian" concerns "

So go ahead! On the Maidan! Fight with malignant control. And we hit the competent authorities

Quote: razmik72

By the way, the same Garegin Nzhdeh was an officer of the tsarist army and faithfully served Russia,

Until he became a Nazi. We have enough such "heroes". Krasnov, for example. So our Foreign Ministry is quite right to be concerned. And the fact that your local nationalists are not happy is your problem. Our Foreign Ministry represents our interests, not yours

[razmik72]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Quote: razmik72

Before expressing its concern, the Russian Foreign Ministry, if it is a serious organization, had to take into account the reaction to its "concern" from the Armenian population,

You have personally forgotten to ask when our Ministry of Foreign Affairs can express concern, and when not. You didn’t mislead anything there? What fright do you speak on behalf of the people of Armenia? Is there enough EVE?

the authorities of "Armenia will not dare to utter a word in response to Russian" concerns "

So go ahead! On the Maidan! Fight with malignant control. And we hit the competent authorities

Quote: razmik72

By the way, the same Garegin Nzhdeh was an officer of the tsarist army and faithfully served Russia,

Until he became a Nazi. We have enough such "heroes". Krasnov, for example. So our Foreign Ministry is quite right to be concerned. And the fact that your local nationalists are not happy is your problem. Our Foreign Ministry represents our interests, not yours

Your authorities, in particular, the Ministry of Foreign Affairs, represent the interests of Azerbaijan, not the Russian people, but the fact that you were an informer, it was clear to me from the very beginning of our discussion, but you yourself admitted here. Let the forum users know that the user under the name Corporal Valera is an undisguised informer and agent. On this I consider our communication completed, I do not communicate with informers, HONOR ROAD.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: razmik72

Your authorities, in particular, the Foreign Ministry, represent the interests of Azerbaijan,

Ahaha)) You need to write books in the fantasy genre. Why not Somalia?

Quote: razmik72

admitted. Let and forum users know that the user under the name Corporal Valera is an undisguised informer and agent.

Whose agent is it? Azerbaijan, probably? You, mister, have again beguiled the shores. I’m not your comrade. I don’t have any business with the Natsiks and I think that their place in the logging is at best.

Quote: razmik72

I think our communication is over, I don’t communicate with informers, HONOR ROAD.

Urgently delete your account and burn the computer. The funnel has already left for you.

[razmik72]

"And we will KNOCK at the competent authorities."

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: razmik72

"And we will KNOCK at the competent authorities."

So do you carry out subversive activities at home?

the authorities of "Armenia will not dare to utter a word in response to Russian" concerns ", but the population

Attach to the Case.
Do you dream of the "beautiful Armenian gebnya" at night?

[razmik72]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Quote: razmik72

"And we will KNOCK at the competent authorities."

So do you carry out subversive activities at home?

the authorities of "Armenia will not dare to utter a word in response to Russian" concerns ", but the population

Attach to the Case.
Do you dream of the "beautiful Armenian gebnya" at night?

Corporal, what do you want to prove to me- that Garegin Nzhdeh defended his Motherland in vain, that he should have watched his Bolsheviks and Kemalists dismantle his country? Whatever arguments you bring, I will remain of my opinion. If he were Russian and defending the interests of Russia, you would not have written such a thing. In his misfortune, he defended the interests of Armenia. For what I write, there was recently an article on the hero of Novorossia Igor Strelkova, as many forum users rushed to accuse the illustrious commander of all mortal sins, one of the few who defended Strelkov at the forum from unjustified attacks was me.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: razmik72

Corporal, what do you want to prove to me- that Garegin Nzhdeh defended his Motherland in vain, that he should have watched his Bolsheviks and Kemalists dismantle his country?

No. I don’t want to tell you this. I want to say that when he vouched for with Hitler, he ceased to be a nationalist, but became a Nazi. This is the same Bandera, but in the other hand

Quote: razmik72

If he were Russian and defended the interests of Russia, you would not have written this.

I wrote, I am writing and I will write. Any bastard likes to hide behind "the interests of the country." We have the same characters. The same mannergame or red. If Denikin fought against the Reds, for his ideals - this is his right. But he did not bow to the Germans, hiding behind the liberation of Russia. Everyone understood everything at 41.

Quote: razmik72

Igor Strelkova, as many forum users rushed to accuse the illustrious commander of all mortal sins, I was one of the few who defended Strelkov at the forum from unjustified attacks.

Your compatriot rushed to accuse him of one of the first and in my opinion quite rightly

[Volodin Dmitry]

Cut a medal from apricot

[Monarchist]

The Azerbaijanis are sure that the Russians "spoil" the Armenians. At least from my acquaintances I constantly hear "if the Russians did not interfere ... Karabakh exists only thanks to Russia, etc.

[starshina wmf]

Not only them. To be honest, if Russia didn’t support Armenia in this conflict, Azerbaijan would have taken away the territory of NKR in the early 2000s. The Army of Azerbaijan is much stronger than the Army of Armenia. Only morally the Armenians are higher than the Azerbaijanis. But Azerbaijanis certainly have military potential stronger. And without the support of Russia they can’t cope in any way. Moreover, Turkey supports them. And about Genghis Khan. Genghis Khan is a man of the millennium, and the leader or leader of the Great Empire, which began its existence in Mongolia. Although my ancestors fought with him until the last warrior, and our clan was scattered among many peoples of Asia, but I have a tribute to him. And Garegin Nzhdeh even though they consider him a hero in Armenia, but collaborated with the Nazis. This alone puts a big minus. Do not put in Russia monument to Vlasov.

[Homo]

Quote: razmik72

and the fact that you are a snitch, it was clear to me from the very beginning of our discussion

Well, that’s all resolved by itself. When there are not enough arguments, they begin to turn to personalities and be rude! Read more, learn history, geography, economics, broaden your horizons. And then get into an argument.

[Evgen999]

The site should not write such things. The adequacy of local commentators can be seen by the number of insults addressed to Armenians in response to your posts. Cave chauvinism climbs in relation to each of the peoples. Here everything around Russia is Chukhon, s, quick-eyed, chocks and khachis. Why Russia has only 2 allies - the army and navy, I have long understood.

I will write to the opposition to local commentators that I can’t imagine what Zakharova did not please Nzhdeh. A nationalist in the best sense of his life, dedicated his life to his native country. Given the relations between the USSR and the Turkish Republic, he had no choice, if he wanted to maintain the integrity of Armenia, he was forced to fight with the red army, which supported Turkey. If Nzhdeh was Russian and so defended the interests of Russia, he would have been praised here, but the monkey brain does not allow some commentators to think objectively. And I’ll never understand these stubborn ones, the cognitive dissonance is again: they like the Turks are bad, everyone around is traitors, but at the same time they don’t criticize part of Armenia to the Turks with advice (the USSR acted treacherously, but we can), but consider it a historical mistake, but Nzhdeh, who tried to defend the country about this, they consider it a negative character in history. Well, isn't it? It’s not even logically glued ..... Russia has only 2 allies - the army and navy, because friends and allies from Russians are so-so

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: Evgen999

I can’t imagine why Zakharova didn’t please Nzhdeh.

Armenian Vlasov

At the beginning of World War II, Garegin Nzhdeh began to cooperate with the German authorities, pursuing the goal, in case the Germans captured Transcaucasia, to prevent a possible Turkish invasion of Soviet Armenia and, if possible, with the help of Germany, restore Armenia’s independence [4].

In December 1942, Nzhdeh became one of the seven members of the Armenian National Council (established in Berlin) and deputy editor of the National Council newspaper “Azat Hayastan” (“Free Armenia”) (editor-in-chief is Abram Gyulkhandanyan (in Armenian)).

Later, during interrogation in prison, according to the testimony bearing the signature of Hovhannes Devegyan, Nzhdeh repeatedly delivered propaganda speeches to the prisoners of war, calling them to an armed struggle against the USSR, declaring: “Who dies for Germany, dies for Armenia "

[Victorio]

Quote: Evgen999

The site should not write such things. The adequacy of local commentators can be seen by the number of insults addressed to Armenians in response to your posts. Cave chauvinism climbs in relation to each of the peoples. Here everything around Russia is Chukhon, s, quick-eyed, chocks and khachis. Why Russia has only 2 allies - the army and navy, I have long understood.

I will write to the opposition to local commentators that I can’t imagine what Zakharova did not please Nzhdeh. A nationalist in the best sense of his life, dedicated his life to his native country. Given the relations between the USSR and the Turkish Republic, he had no choice, if he wanted to maintain the integrity of Armenia, he was forced to fight with the red army, which supported Turkey. If Nzhdeh was Russian and so defended the interests of Russia, he would have been praised here, but the monkey brain does not allow some commentators to think objectively. And I’ll never understand these stubborn ones, the cognitive dissonance is again: they like the Turks are bad, everyone around is traitors, but at the same time they don’t criticize part of Armenia to the Turks with advice (the USSR acted treacherously, but we can), but consider it a historical mistake, but Nzhdeh, who tried to defend the country about this, they consider it a negative character in history. Well, isn't it? It’s not even logically glued ..... Russia has only 2 allies - the army and navy, because friends and allies from Russians are so-so

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each has historical claims on a suitcase, you think that yours are more important / more necessary / more correct, etc., here you are in your own right.
about mistakes, their mistakes are not made by one who does nothing.

[Homo]

Quote: Evgen999

The adequacy of local commentators can be seen by the number of insults addressed to Armenians in response to your posts.

Another "daughter of a Russian officer" has come to work?

[starshina wmf]

And in the army and navy of Russia there are lumps, quick-eyed, khachis and Chukhons. And by the way, they serve not badly.

[Stas_77]

Let's not play around, not to the Russian authorities, but to Russia, that is, to the people who inhabit the country, we can say as much as we like that we do not dislike the Americans, but their politicians, but how when we meet them where, we say .. Yes, we know that we have little influence on the adoption of state. solutions, are you more, or Americans? And about the "patrons" as they wrote to you here, enough to feed and support the parasites, pay and you will be supplied with equipment, so they trade all over the world. And about Genghis Khan, can you bite in another way? wink

[Volodin Dmitry]

We are not at war with monuments. But you have to pay for VTI.

[Monarchist]

Rosemarik, if you are not comfortable with the current president, reelect. You can run for democracy yourself (I seriously say). The truth is, to be independent FIG will come out. Unfortunately, the world is so arranged that the little ones are forced to seek the protection of the big. Alas, this is life

[Homo]

Quote: razmik72

... and not to the Russian people, who, unfortunately, are denied access to government decisions ...

And do not tell the country in which the people decide all the questions! Only the people, at a general meeting, and the president, prime minister and ministers take the visor and run, run half-bent to fulfill the will of the people. It seems like an adult, but you are talking nonsense and babble!

[avt]

Quote: razmik72

The Russian Foreign Ministry, Maria Zakharova, demanded explanations from the official Yerevan about the erection of a monument to Nzhdeh in Yerevan. Six of Russia brought the country to such a point that even they themselves cannot erect a monument to the "ideologist" of their party Garegin Nzhdeh.

Well, give, and I recommend publicly, the specific answer that this

Quote: razmik72

Nzhdeh

a simple Armenian nationalist condemned in the USSR to a quarter, did not cooperate with the Nazis during the Patriotic War and with links to archival documents in Russia, well, his criminal case, and began to be in Germany. What is the problem then? Too lazy to go through the archives and give a qualified answer? Too proud to descend to the Russian Foreign Ministry?

Quote: razmik72

.I would like the Russian Foreign Ministry to continue pressure on the Armenian authorities and demand to demolish this monument. Let's see how many hours after that your sixes will remain in power

Yeah, and then he would withdraw the troops from Armenia, the Armenians would leave the EAEU and we would introduce a visa regime with a renewed Armenia. Then then I would like to look not at

Quote: razmik72

.Let's see how many hours after that your sixes will hold power

In general, to Karabakh and Armenia intact, well, how "great" will you collect.

Quote: razmik72

Russia does not need allies,

Two are enough - its army and navy.

Quote: razmik72

The great Nzhdeh could not imagine that his nationalist doctrine "tsegakron" would be adopted by a party that turned Armenia into a puppet of Russia.

By the way - those Armenians who rushed the metro in the USSR in Moscow, were not adherents of this teaching for an hour?

Quote: Altona

As I understand it, Armenia is so power-hungry economically and militarily that it can afford a great-power policy

Uh-uh-uh-uh! Listen! Can! Mom Klyanus! Here is Samvel from Kaluga on the Maybach piriedet and will do it.

[Altona]

Quote: avt

Here is Samvel from Kaluga

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The unforgettable Major Gyulumyan served in our military registration and enlistment office, I was little then, my father and I went to pick mushrooms and nuts in July-August, I remember going somewhere by train. Awesome man was cool. He had a son, Sashka, 4 years older than me and his nephew Samvel came to him for the summer from Armenia. I just don't remember where he lived there, in what city. I am the same age, the guy is also good, sympathetic, then I met him at the institute, already on the 4th year, I probably recognized right away, by his voice. Armenians are interesting, they try to maintain many connections so as not to fall to the bottom of life. An Armenian classmate lives in Moscow, now, thanks to modern means of communication, you can communicate with her - Whatsapp, Viber. She herself is from Karabakh, she tells me about the peculiarities of the mentality of the local places, in the sense of Armenians and Azerbaijanis. All Armenians love comfort, they love something modern. Even from the USA, her nephew sends her new iPhones from the sale. But for some reason, Lyosha from Gubkin and Andryukha from Moscow help her in life. Just kidding, her brother helps her family, he married a Russian a second time, and for the first time he was married to a Russian. She says that my mother in Karabakh receives the same pension as in Baku, but there is no oil in Karabakh, unlike Baku. An Armenian passport, by the way, provides visa-free travel with many countries, with Switzerland, for example. Therefore, it is possible to understand Razmik that he wants to "get rid" of the gloomy hostile Moscow and quickly fall into the blessed tit of the United States. True, I do not see in what quality it will be, the United States and Turkey are abundant. I strongly doubt that some new technologies will pour into Armenia, although in Yerevan they boast that there is already an "armphone" and soon everyone will buy it. In our country, the expression "Armenian technique" is more abusive than positive. Something like this.

[razmik72]

Quote: Altona

Quote: avt

Here is Samvel from Kaluga

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The unforgettable Major Gyulumyan served in our military registration and enlistment office, I was little then, my father and I went to pick mushrooms and nuts in July-August, I remember going somewhere by train. Awesome man was cool. He had a son, Sashka, 4 years older than me and his nephew Samvel came to him for the summer from Armenia. I just don't remember where he lived there, in what city. I am the same age, the guy is also good, sympathetic, then I met him at the institute, already on the 4th year, I probably recognized right away, by his voice. Armenians are interesting, they try to maintain many connections so as not to fall to the bottom of life. An Armenian classmate lives in Moscow, now, thanks to modern means of communication, you can communicate with her - Whatsapp, Viber. She herself is from Karabakh, she tells me about the peculiarities of the mentality of the local places, in the sense of Armenians and Azerbaijanis. All Armenians love comfort, they love something modern. Even from the USA, her nephew sends her new iPhones from the sale. But for some reason, Lyosha from Gubkin and Andryukha from Moscow help her in life. Just kidding, her brother helps her family, he married a Russian a second time, and for the first time he was married to a Russian. She says that my mother in Karabakh receives the same pension as in Baku, but there is no oil in Karabakh, unlike Baku. An Armenian passport, by the way, provides visa-free travel with many countries, with Switzerland, for example. Therefore, it is possible to understand Razmik that he wants to "get rid" of the gloomy hostile Moscow and quickly fall into the blessed tit of the United States. True, I do not see in what quality it will be, the United States and Turkey are abundant. I strongly doubt that some new technologies will pour into Armenia, although in Yerevan they boast that there is already an "armphone" and soon everyone will buy it. In our country, the expression "Armenian technique" is more abusive than positive. Something like this.

My brother lives in Russia, is married to a Russian, they have two children. I wrote my comment with great regret, because I understand perfectly well that criticism to the address of the Russian authorities will be perceived by many members of the forum as revelations of an oversized "Russophobe". But I clearly understand the position of the Russian authorities, and the Russian people, for whom I had and still have undisguised sympathy. The authorities come and sooner or later, they leave, but the peoples remain, if I criticize the Russian authorities, then I clearly understand that the people of Russia are at the moment he is deprived of the opportunity to influence the policy of his authorities. .

[Gray brother]

Quote: razmik72

will not be perceived as the revelations of an oversized "Russophobe"

More like azero. I came to kindle.

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: razmik72

criticism of the Russian authorities

Quote: razmik72

and the peoples remain

Dear, over the past 35 years, the power in Russia, more or less, has begun to express the interests of the people. In any case, in foreign policy. Not that DREAM, but better than with a bear and ebony. So in vain you breed power and people on different sides. You specifically, what does not suit you? What protested the installation of a monument to the Nazi? Or the fact that troops did not enter Karabakh? Or simply
"because"?

[PKK]

What kind of sympathies are dear? Rostov Armenians have one opinion that there are too many Russians in Rostov, something needs to be done!

[Stas_77]

Is it really so difficult to understand: there are such states as England, Germany, France ... these are the states that determine the development of mankind, how and where it will go, and no matter what party they have in power, it has always been that way. And there are small nations and states and their destiny to live according to the rules established by the "elder brother", take Finland - they live without loud statements on foreign policy, they are happy with everything, there is enough of everything. Why try to jump over your head? He did not include Russia and the United States on this list, suspecting that you would declare my Imperial ambitions.

[Altona]

Quote: razmik72

The authorities come sooner or later, they leave, and the peoples remain, if I criticize the Russian authorities, I clearly understand that the Russian people are currently deprived of the opportunity to influence the policies of their authorities.

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My friend, listen, I have a lot of questions to Sargsyan, to Aliyev, to Erdogan, to hell with a bald man. I do not discuss this in this thread. What the hell do you care about the leadership of Russia and Russian politics in general? They will remove the base in Gyumri, Azerbaijanis and Turks will immediately indicate their complaints to you. You’ll hide behind every stone and no USA will help you, no Germany and France. It’s good for you to eat lobio and dolma while nothing threatens your ass. Well, we sold the Azerbaijanis t-90 in the best version, so what? This does not mean that we should keep them in check and intervene in every showdown in the Caucasus. We climb into the showdown, the Russian gendarme. Do not interrupt, oooh, chauvinists-imperials damned. Try not to bully yourself. Although you have contradictions accumulated over 1000 years.

[avt]

Quote: razmik72

By the way, in Mongolia

By the way, were the Mongols as part of the foreign parts of the Wehrmacht? Well, according to the type of eastern legions, formed from the peoples of the USSR of the Caucasus and Transcaucasia.

Quote: razmik72

The Russian government confuses the corrupt "power" of the country with its people, who have defended their homeland more than once and this time will protect it from the insolent authorities of its northern neighbor.

Is it about Georgia? Azerbaijan seems to be west. Or the Russian army 08.08.08. after all, she came over Tiflis and stayed there, on the border with Malenka, but very proud Armenia?

[gladcu2]

razmik72

You very correctly noted that Russia needs sixes, not allies.

Such a policy may lead to temporary success, but strategically lead to collapse.

Therefore, it makes no sense to spend efforts on the creation of six allies. We need independent countries connected by economic integration. This is a step towards progress.

Regression is a manifestation of modern hegemonic politics. You cannot create relationships based on coercion.

[Skif100500]

Hmm, and who is forcing it? -)) They can go on all 4 sides, just look at the map who, for example, has Armenia on these 4 sides. Among other things, what do you think, why do we need allies, whom we need to look for on the map for a long time, both militarily and economically do not take away or add anything ... you generally seriously think that such countries are able to us a full ally? -)) I am touched by the conceit of many great nations, as they think of themselves ...

[Siberian 1975]

And the US has no puppet allies? The US does not bend them? So don't you yell about this? How should we treat the monument to the fascist? Overthrow you your "puppets" and what. Or the Turks or the states will bend you right away, but I would like the Azerbaijanis And what's next?

[Reserve officer]

"from the speech of John Kerry, all Mongolia learned that it is" an oasis of democracy sandwiched between Russia and China "

It seems that John Kerry is a secret admirer of the works of I. Ilf and E. Petrov. The phrase in their brilliant style.

[Finches]

It would also be nice for us to recall that the first allies of the Soviet Union in the fight against Nazi Germany were not Great Britain, and not the USA. The first to respond to the offer of assistance to the USSR were the Tuva Republic and Mongolia. Each 5th horse in our army was Mongolian, in general about 500 thousand goals, set almost free of charge ... unlike the Western allies, who are up to Lend-Lease penny collected from us!

[siberalt]

Americans in Mongolia do not shine at all. They are friends with our Buryats. It is already noteworthy that the meeting with Kerry was held at the Russian embassy.

[Todessichel]

The Mongols remember today, tomorrow they will forget when they don’t even have a handout, but they will throw their promise.
Not a fact, but usually the circuit works.
There are Judas everywhere.

[bair1976]

I think that no one remembers anything or are trying to quickly forget what Russia did for them

[Stas_77]

Yes, stop, the interests of those in power above the national idea, look at Bulgaria, continue? The memory of the people is too short.

[Prisoner]

If everyone remembered our help, then the Bulgarians, etc. we would not have been shown a damn thing. We will either plow up our sleeves and straining our brains or we will simply be surrendered. We have everything for work, there would be a desire!

[KOH]

If Russia continues to be passive in relation to Mongolia, then I will not be surprised at anything, besides, they are still trying to drive a wedge between Russia and Mongolia by the construction of power plants, and our "partners" can play on this, which even the greens are not heard about the environment Baikal during the construction of these stations ... we have already observed from the sidelines to Ukraine, the result is known ...

[midivan]

Quote: CON

If Russia continues to be passive in relation to Mongolia, then I will not be surprised at anything, besides, they are still trying to drive a wedge between Russia and Mongolia by the construction of power plants, and our "partners" can play on this, which even the greens are not heard about the environment Baikal during the construction of these stations ... we have already observed from the sidelines to Ukraine, the result is known ...

why are they green then? Well, it’s our Baikal, if it were somewhere else in Poland it’s another matter it is necessary for the mangols to offer nuclear power plants instead of hydroelectric power

[Reptiloid]

How much "Soviet inheritance" the Russian Federation has lost !!
The United States is trying to oust the Russian Federation from everywhere. Most likely with this visit, they show that they will make "challenges" to China and the Russian Federation.
Recently, on my 11.06 in the "Military Archive" there was a good article about Mongolia.

[Per se.]

Quote: Reptiloid

How much "Soviet inheritance" the Russian Federation has lost !!

Mongolia should not be lost, and not only the Yankees with their possible bases are dangerous, but also the absorption of Mongolia by China. In fact, for Russia, Mongolia is even more important than Crimea in strategic importance, the loss of Russian influence and presence in this region can have catastrophic consequences for us in terms of geopolitics.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: CON

If Russia will continue to be passive towards Mongolia

You can get fucked, but what does it mean passively?

[Sakhalininsk]

You, as usual, consider yourself the smartest and that everything is around. The Mongols right now threw everything and threw themselves into the arms of the crap of the shit))) Mongolia feels quite comfortable surrounded by great neighbors.

[innoker-1563]

Hubsugul and Baikal are brothers, however!

[ovod84]

The Mongols are not fools, they are surrounded by China and Russia, and the United States is far away. It is more profitable to be friends with us than from the Yankees economic point of view.

[Knowing]

The "beacon" of democracy is completely crazy ...Mongolia: Area 1 km²
Population 3
Wow "oasis "democracy", all sandwiched...

[crasever]

Since Mongolia is "squeezed", then the heroic sailor Kerry should have promised a liberation visit of American ships to Ulan Bator !!!

[Ghermesus]

Sail to Mongolia they will triumph through China))

[Vodrak]

Yeah, and the Ukrainians will break the channel through China ....

[Yak28]

Quote: Mavrikiy

The Mongols remember the help that we rendered them in raising the country.

Good no one remembers, neither Mongolia, nor any other republic of the USSR or the Warsaw Pact.

[Retvizan 8]

Can I just have emotions ?!
-I look at Kerina’s face, damn such a mega type disappears! Him if in the movie to play fools he gets rich!

[AlexYa]

An oasis of democracy without access to the sea, yeah. Omeriga thinks that the Mongols are still in the XIII century. live?

[Dmitry Potapov]

Mongols? The Indians of North America also sacredly believed in their future with the Yankees until they began to take scalps from them.

[magadanets]

Not so long ago, Mongolia had problems in agriculture. There was a drought and little forage was prepared for the winter. Hay was transported from Russia. Democratic hay will be far from the USA to transport any

[parusnik]

Hmm .. Now Kerry is left to visit the Arctic and tell the polar bears that they are the most northern democracy .. Which opposes totalitarian Russia ...

[avg-mgn]

Quote: Retvizan 8

Can I just have emotions ?!
-I look at Kerina’s face, damn such a mega type disappears! Him if in the movie to play fools he gets rich!

Kerry is not an actor, and his role is not a fool - this is a wick that is thrown into Mongolia. The time will come and the States will set it on fire. Mongolia, India and Pakistan oh how the Americans need to contain China and this region will not be left alone. We can’t sleep, trouble is just around the corner.

[Sars]

In fact, we have all the problems at the international level from the principle of the formation of the diplomatic corps: at MGIMO we have children of deputies and other guest-goers. My favorite example is Ksyusha Sobchak.
Her dad planted democracy in St. Petersburg, and her mother (malicious Russophobe) is a senator, well, what interests of Russia can she defend. But Lavrov and Churkin are an exception to the general rule.

[KOH]

Mom seems to have been kicked out ... )))))

[Ros 56]

And the Mongols know about the fate of the Indians, maybe they can send them films with the participation of Goiko Mitich. And in general, about the attitude of striped people to those who are weaker than them. In my opinion it's time. Of course, I could be wrong, and the films have already been seen.

[rotmistr60]

from the speech of John Kerry, all of Mongolia learned that she is "an oasis of democracy sandwiched between Russia and China. "

He said that. It is immediately clear that only the grave will fix the American. To paraphrase the Romans: "I came, I saw, I inherited."

[1536]

They ride like vampires bite everyone in the hope that they will become the same. They will not! The Mongols are smart, ancient people, unlike the Americans, where every second descendant of a bandit or a terrorist.

[rus-5819]

Quote: magadanets

Democratic hay will be far from the USA to carry on any

In Ukraine, it looks like this "senz" was smoked. The result is obvious.

[Volzhanin]

And what - the Mongol officials are completely brainless and do not see the ridiculous monkey tricks and jumps of the savage savages? Do the Ameripids themselves not look like marginal idiots? After all, there are still people with brains on the planet.

[Black Colonel]

"Didn't the Ameripedes themselves look like marginal idiots?"
A typical representative of the State Department is now on maternity leave.

[vladimirvn]

The Mongols like drinking gulls to remember how they lived well under the Soviet Union. And today Russia is not the USSR. There is no help. All that could be sold, they have already sold. Foreigners export minerals, already running. The railway is breathing. But there is no money. Yeah. No matter how they are tempted by a freebie, that’s what I think.

[koralvit]

Maidan is being prepared. Young people are probing. They overslept Ukraine, more than this cannot be allowed, there will be a bust.

[Aspid 86]

Mongolia is a state isolated from the outside world by air, sea and land. US bases there do not stumble, well, if only supply through the core of the earth)). Mongolia, if it wants to develop Russophobia and Chinaophobia will be destined to become an absolutely closed territory, which will certainly entail a separation from world civilization and existence in autocracy.

[Black Colonel]

I am tormented by vague doubts - and how the Americans, if anything, are going to make their way to the rescue on the territory of the "beacon of democracy" bypassing the territories of hostile states? Pretend to be lost dinosaurs from the Gobi Desert ??? Although it might work, they are exceptional.

[tafalar]

they have some transport aircraft, and a fleet.

[aba]

Not everything to the cat, that is, Kerry, is Shrovetide!

[Nick1953]

And then the Americans are trying to spoil ...

[Evgen2x]

That scary wise! That is, he’s scary, well, he put his nose in all the holes, and everywhere he spoils Russia as he can, he still needs to go to the penguins in the Antarctic, they also have tension with democracy there.

[kotuk_ha_oxote]

Quote: Mavrikiy

The Mongols remember the help that we rendered them in raising the country.

Personally, you did not help them. The Russian Federation also does not provide assistance to Mongolia.

America can offer Mongolia much more than Russia. But Mongolia should not play friendship, but engage in the development of the country.

[Aspid 86]

"The Russian Federation does not provide assistance to Mongolia either."
But this is an absolute lack of knowledge of the matter because "Over the long years of cooperation, in general, Mongolia received military assistance from our country in the amount of about three billion US dollars, 95 percent of which is free of charge." http://www.mongolia.mid.ru/press_525_1.html

[96423 lom]

Russia does not need Mongolian territory and the Mongols know it. And the benefits from the neighbor who "squeezed" them have had, are and will have so much that the Americans did not stand by and will not stand for a long time. So Kerry only ruined the air.

[eleronn]

From 1974 to 1980 he lived in Mongolia. Golden was the time. The Mongols are very kind and open people. They are not capable of cheating on a neighbor; the mentality is not the same.

[silver_roman]

No wonder.
Cattle are probing the soil.
And it will last until they find an approach to the borders of the Russian Federation and China, and Mongolia is an ideal option.
If there is also a military base installed, then in general it can be considered that "democracy" has won. You can get on the nerves of both your enemies. It is unlikely that, of course, the Chinese and I will allow this.
The most interesting thing is that first there are negotiations and an attempt to win over to their side. Kerry usually arrives with such goals: sets conditions, bastard. If it does not puncture, then there will be uprisings of some horse breeders, dissatisfied with the state of the pastures, or producers of horseshoes, arrows and whatever else. There are many options to demolish the "virgin" government of Mongolia, which has not yet faced such problems. There is no way without consulting our FSB.
In general, the main thing is not to blink. Saxons are like annoying mold: if not stopped immediately, it will creep into all the free places.

[Skif100500]

Base in Mongolia? -)) And they will supply this base from outer space ... So it’s up to them to make a space trampoline.

[azer]

Yes, the news is not very. If Mongolia stands against you, then this is like a cube for America. they will put you near the borders and you can attack you. From Europe and Asia, so 3 I world in my opinion is just around the corner

[silver_roman]

Quote: azer

против you

And whose will you be, my friend?

Quote: azer

put ya about the borders

It makes no sense: it is easier to set up a missile defense base for "protection from Argentina" (any country as far away as possible from a potential missile defense site), for example.

In addition, they did not come up with anything new. All the same old color revolution, against which we already have an effective cure. And as events in Kazakhstan and Belarus show, it works effectively.

She is sure that they will not let them deploy.

[kotuk_ha_oxote]

Quote: silver_roman

some horse breeders dissatisfied with the state of pastures, or manufacturers of horseshoes, arrows, and anything else.

Self-esteem spills over the edges.

[silver_roman]

Quote: kotuk_ha_oxote

Self-esteem spills over the edges.

do not write nonsense. I just pointed out the fact that often some minorities participate in revolutions, because they (according to the logic of the "cradle of democracy") are most often denied their rights. So he gave an example, not devoid of a sense of humor (unlike you), of these potential minorities!

[Andreitas]

Already do not know who else to vparit their democracy.

[AdekvatNICK]

all at once rebelled "Mongolia was sold to America" ​​... but calm down already. Mongolia is simply pursuing a multi-vector policy. Russia, China, the United States.
But the fact that it borders with Russia makes us carefully look after this visit. Because any chaos among neighbors on the border is a direct threat to us.

[Zuborez]

The states are literally at any moment ready to come to the aid of the Mongols in order to "protect the Mongolian democracy" ...
This mattress mattress is going to dig from Okinawa?
Let the brothers call, those dug digging [

[andrewkor]

At the time of "perestroika", not to be mentioned at night, the "VIZH" magazine published a report of the tsarist "Okhranka" on the activities of "Dashnak Tsutyun" in Russia. So the main ideology of the small Armenian nation, sandwiched between two empires, is to cling to one of them and feed on its juices for the time being, waiting for the moment of liberation and flourishing. It is also indicated that the Armenian Church, respected by me personally, is very ancient, in relation to the Russian Orthodox Church is heretical, Monophysite-denying the Trinity!

[Enoch]

What a childishly touching smile a citizen of Kerry has - he sincerely wants to "shoe" the descendants of Genghis Khan, which is said to be worn on beads.

[Ros 56]

In the Mongolian steppes and deserts, more than one enemy found a grave for himself, and there are enough striped places, and if you still help, then .......

[cobalt]

As I read such news, I immediately recall this demotivator

[Olegi1]

I don’t think the Mongols are so naive to buy into the statements of Kerry and others like them. Ancient nation = wise nation.

[cedar]

Quote: Olegi1

I don’t think that the Mongols are so naive to buy into the statements of Kerry and others like them. Ancient nation = wise nation.

Anglo-Saxon Wise ... I recommend John Perkins, Confessions of an Economic Murderer. According to the method described there, they ended many nations, pumping democracy. Ukraine is the "freshest" example. Let's face it: "It sucks that the Anglo-Americans have their eyes on Mongolia."

[vladimirvn]

So the Poles are "getting smarter" before our eyes.
"..In the event of Russia's aggression, Poland will not be helped by the European allies in NATO, but only by the Americans. And they will do this not because of allied commitments, but for the sake of their own interests," writes Polish expert Andrzej Talaga. The author notes that if the United States considers that the game is not worth the candle, the Poles will only have to rely on themselves.
Original news from InoTV:
https://russian.rt.com/inotv/2016-06-15/Polskij-ekspert-Esli-Rossiya-napadet

[Bulrumeb]

The fact is that from the speech of John Kerry, the whole of Mongolia learned that it is "an oasis of democracy sandwiched between Russia and China."

Thank God that the Mongols themselves do not think so.

[zap167]

The ring is shrinking. The United States, as always, is ahead of the curve. And Russia, at its own pace, has scoured Ukraine, and scored Mongolia.

[dmitriyruss]

It’s not yet evening, if we draw analogies with the Great Patriotic War, now we have November 1942. The German has already reached the Volga, Leningrad has been cut off from the mainland, Sevastopol has fallen and the German is eager for Grozny oil, but just a couple of months ... we all know that happened, and after half a year the Battle of Kursk ... after two Berlin fell. No need to panic comrades ....

[Patriot]

And, why do we need Ukraine, there is already nothing

[Munchhausen]

Quote: Mavrikiy

The Mongols remember the help that we rendered them in raising the country.

This does not guarantee that missile defense elements will not appear in Mongolia.
Actually, for what the whole circus with democracy and dangerous neighbors.

[bald]

The US no longer knows where to "throw an adult". Any connection with NATO is a loss or ruin for any state. It is necessary by all means to convey the truth about NATO, in particular about the United States, to the whole world. And the United States has been getting worse in recent years!

[Hariton laptev]

Quote: Mavrikiy

The Mongols remember the help that we rendered them in raising the country.

Balts, Ukrainians, Poles, you can list all who helped raise the country, but they immediately forgot on whose money they built their economy. They’ll bring a little green cookie to the Mongolian powder in an Amer’s jar and their memory will be instantly erased.

[Skif100500]

Oh well ... -)) The Mongols have been living next to Russia and China for hundreds of years, the SGA was not in the project yet. The Mongols have long had no problems with their neighbors - they trade and give them a god of health ... Among other things, they have everything in memory, they helped them, but they didn’t dodge - they paired half of the Red Army in fur coats and fur mittens with Tuva during the Second World War. After the war, the Mongols were taught, geologists helped, they built roads, they understood the energy of their steppes with energy, and right away they forgot it right away. And in general, why should the Mongols aggravate relations with neighbors who have never tried to offend their country and, in fact, their main trading partners, and Mongolia depends on its neighbors, which can not be said about the neighbors themselves. America is far away, and Russia and China are here.