Indonesian Defense Ministry is interested in the Warsawyanka submarines

Pre-contract work has begun on the delivery to Indonesia of the Varshavyanka diesel-electric submarine, the Indonesian side has officially declared its interest in these submarines, reports RIA News a message from Rosoboronexport CEO Anatoly Isaykin.

“The depth of interest will depend only on the Ministry of Defense. Official statements were made by the Minister of Defense of Indonesia, that they are interested in this project ... The interest expressed by the official of the Ministry of Defense - consider that this is a pre-contract work already ”,

said the general director.

The submarine "Varshavyanka" (636 project) "is interested in many countries because of its unsurpassed qualities of noiselessness and powerful weapons," added Isaykin.

Help agency: "Submarines project 636" Varshavyanka "belong to the third generation, have a displacement of 3,95 thousands of tons, speed 20 knots, depth of immersion 300 meters, crew 52 person. They can detect a target at a distance of three to four times the one on which the enemy can detect them. For their secrecy, the boats of this project received the name Black Hole in NATO. ”

Comments

[Andrey K]

So Indonesia became interested in submarines "Varshavyanka"
Southeast Asia is now booming. A bunch of unresolved territorial disputes. In addition, the presence of oil and gas in the South China Sea
The Vietnamese neighbors ordered 6 project 636.1 Varshavyanka submarines, 5 of which have already been received.
The Indonesians decided to keep up, especially the quality of our weapons - in itself is worth a lot

[cniza]

An excellent ship turned out and many want to get it.

[Kostyar]

Indonesian Defense Ministry is interested in the Warsawyanka submarines

Everything is right! One there, and two home ... !!! Still, the deadlines for the release of submarines would be reduced, so that quality would not be affected !!!

[Maxom75]

pieces of 30-50 orders would be collected, here the shipyard would be busy for 10 years. work, salary guaranteed future. And at the expense of foreign orders, their submarines would be cheaper.

[chunga-changa]

In fact, even in Soviet times, "Varshavyanka" was riveted at three factories with a descent rate - one in 8-9 months, and then the submarine was simpler. Now they do it at the same plant with a descent rate of 1.5-2 years. 30-50 pieces, or let's say 40, will take 60-80 years. Are you sure that in 60 years someone else will need these boats? The project will be about 100 years old.

[Observer2014]

Andrey K -

The Vietnamese neighbors ordered 6 project 636.1 Varshavyanka submarines, 5 of which have already been received.

In general, Vietnam has a very decent army! And after all the "Varshavyanki" have entered service in Vietnam. The Vietnamese Navy is capable of giving a very worthy answer to any fleet in its region (if anything happens).

[Pavel1]

Well, if we don’t sell, then China will sell it, so once you are "interested" you cannot let go of this client.

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: Paul1

Well, if we don’t sell, then China will sell it, so once you are "interested" you cannot let go of this client.

most of all Varshavyanka (10 pcs) just China ordered

[Pershin45]

They do it right, one sold by him is a payment of our two.
Everything is correct, and it is necessary. This is no longer retro.

[ride78]

We ourselves need a fret.
I really don’t understand how 10 shafts for caliber, plus MANPADS, were put into a smaller displacement, but it did not fit into Varshavyanka.

[kolkulon]

Well done. The oboronka is at least partially self-supporting. For new developments there too.

[Stas157]

... For their secrecy, the boats of this project were named "Black Hole" in NATO.

Yes, it was once! Now modern German, Swedish and Japanese boats with VNEU and Stirling, both blacker and hole! It is necessary to finish the Lada, and it is possible not to bother with the expensive and capricious VNEU, but to put, as the French and Japanese do polymer-lithium batteries. Someone has already calculated their value. Only $ 10 million worth of batteries are needed per boat, this is at a boat cost of $ 300 million.

[samoletil18]

Not really a topic. I just remembered. In the year 99-2000, my wife decided to buy a cell phone. Prices then became sharply affordable. Choose a model. And I remember the seller recommended one model, in which the lid will squeeze out when the battery explodes, and the device will not suffer. For this, the lithium battery can be recharged as you like and does not worry about losing capacity. Now with a nickel battery, you can’t even find a gadget. But lithium is the most explosive metal in the periodic table. And the battery in my friend’s phone, for example, exploded after he hung out at his mistress for two days and left the phone on charge.
We do not have lithium batteries before heaps. From China carry.

[Berkut24]

Then I'll add my heap on top. But the Indians decided to apply their import substitution to the Varshavyanka received from Russia - they began to install their own batteries. As a result, they had an explosion on a submarine and a not very lavish funeral of part of the crew.
After the "debriefing" the Indians decided not to make claims to Russia.

[Stas157]

They write that there are polymer batteries that do not explode. In any case, the Japanese and the French somehow circumvent this problem! VNEU among the Germans is also fire-hazardous due to the presence of oxygen tanks.

Quote: samoletil18

. We do not have lithium batteries before heaps. From China carry.

But what about the plant for the production of new generation lithium-ion batteries LIOTECH in Novosibirsk!

[samoletil18]

Quote: Stas157

LIOTECH in Novosibirsk!

Well, if I have a minus for this, then fine. And you plus, perhaps.

[Manul]

Quote: Stas157

Yes, it was once! Now modern German, Swedish and Japanese boats with VNEU and Stirling, both blacker and hole! It is necessary to finish the Lada, and it is possible not to bother with the expensive and capricious VNEU, but to put, as the French and Japanese do polymer-lithium batteries. Someone has already calculated their value. Only $ 10 million worth of batteries are needed per boat, this is at a boat cost of $ 300 million.

How many pluses I could, so many set.

[ride78]

Even without VEU, it’s better to rivet Lada instead of Varshavyanka. Nevertheless, 10 calibers and MANPADS are much better than now.

[Corsair0304]

Oh, to put a couple more slipways so that one works for foreign orders, and the second provides the needs of the Russian Navy. Well then, it would certainly be all right.
As for Varshavyanka, here, as they say, comments are unnecessary. Countries that cannot afford nuclear submarines or non-nuclear submarines - "Warsaw" - the very thing. Quiet, with a small crew, powerful weapons - what else does an island nation like Indonesia need?

[Corsair0304]

Quote: Stas157

modern German, Swedish and Japanese boats with VNEU and Stirling, both blacker and hole!

And the cost in comparison with "Varshavyanka"?
And in general, comparing different generations of submarines is not comme il faut. The article deals with a country that, due to its low security, is trying to find weapons acceptable to it. Something Indonesia does not order German small submarines of project 212 \ 214 with an anaerobic installation or Swedish "Gotland" with VNEU based on the "Stirling engine". I will assume that the question rests precisely on finances and the expediency of the purchase. Why Indonesia is a submarine with VNEU autonomy of 25-40 days underwater, whom are they going to attack with them? The main thing for them now is to balance with the forces of neighboring states and hold on to their islands.

[Stas157]

Quote: Corsair0304

And the cost in comparison with "Varshavyanka"?

DPL Pike times 2MV even cheaper! I compared the noiselessness and autonomy, but it's worth the money!

Quote: Corsair0304

In general, comparing different generations of submarines is not comme il faut.

And you offer something to compare! And then, if the boats meet under water, no one will ask in gentlemanly what generation they are!

[aszzz888]

The Indonesians are interested in many weapons. So "showing interest" is "showing interest"!

[Stirbjorn]

moreover, they have been interested in these submarines since last autumn, which Manturov joyfully declared then. Or, as the article says, the interest has become "deeper" ?! For me, until there is specifics on the timing, the number of ordered submarines and the amount of the contract, there is nothing to discuss - well, not the depth of interests

[Berkut24]

Yes, they have such a neighbor ... All neighbors have a neighbor. Against the background of this neighbor, it is a sin not to be interested in weapons.

[avg-mgn]

Each "vegetable" has its own place in the garden, if for the purpose of defending its water area, then "Varshavyanka" is not bad for Indonesia, if not the best in terms of price-quality ratio. The only question is, which boat are going to sell one of the six, what will I build (6 more are under construction) or in addition to the state defense order?

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: avg-mgn

The only question is which boat one of six is ​​going to sell, what will I build in (6 more under construction) or in addition to the state defense order?

Of the new ones for our Navy, only 4, 2 are being completed in the ranks, and for 6 there is not even a contract

[Lester7777]

Curious. I wonder what the South Korean did not suit?