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The updated science hatred



It is well known that from love to hate one step. Something similar happened in our relations with the Western world, and now we are in dialogue with the finger on the trigger. Not the Cuban missile crisis, of course, but for a long time we were not so close to the high-intensity armed conflict - that is, to a major war, as it is now ...

Everything was relatively good, while Russia, having forgotten about national interests, obediently carried out recommendations from Washington: it disarmed, wrecked its economy and re-politicized under European standards for underdeveloped state entities. During this period, our souls didn’t like us, and the leaders were regularly invited to the club meetings of the elect under the multi-speaking G index. For example, G8 (Great Eight) in one of the options can be translated as the “Big Eight,” but in fact Russia was kept in this pretentious structure exclusively in a waiting room, but under supervision, in order to degrade in front of his eyes, and large ) after the collapse of the USSR, no one considered Russia, of course.

But it cost Moscow only a little to show independence and deviate somewhat from the recommended course, love, if we mean by this term civilized and responsible interstate relations, almost instantly passed. However, there was never any love at all: the leaders for the cameras exchanged on-duty smiles, and Hollywood, for internal use, where there was no need to be cunning, was still portraying the Russians as caricature bastards. And if you analyze the products of this propaganda dream factory from the first day of the Cold War to today, you will hardly find at least one decent screen image of our compatriot - only murderers, sadists, drug dealers, stupid generals, evil colonels of special services and, of course, prostitutes. How to understand the mysterious Russian soul without them ... But who would like that?

Gas station with rockets

It is not surprising that interest in the West, which received an impulse in Russia after the fall of the Iron Curtain, was eventually replaced by a certain disgust. No, we did not descend in this peculiar dialogue of cultures to the language of “Kukryniks” during the Second World War - we do not think about the West as a whole and about America in particular through rock art, and this means that the Unified State Exam has not completely dissolved the brain of the nation, that the surrounding the world in our view is still voluminous, not a plane that we are able to understand: not every American is homosexual, like, for example, US Secretary of the Army General Eric Fanning, and not every Russophobe, like Arizona Senator John McCain.

Here's the proof. Despite the Herculean efforts of the American propaganda, on the basis of an opinion poll conducted by Gallup in February 15% of all US citizens consider Russia the main enemy of America. It is second only to North Korea, which leads the list of the national American horror.

The question is why? Why are Americans more afraid of exalted Kim Jong-un, although this is not North Korean, and Russian missiles are guaranteed to reach the United States, and in large numbers? Somehow I can not believe that we managed to propagandize most of America on our own. Perhaps Russia Today (RT), which broadcasts to foreign audiences, does work well and is not for nothing called the Kremlin’s mouthpiece, but compared to informational and financial capabilities, for example, only CNN is an arithmetical error, and against the background of all American RT media empire is completely invisible. So, the relatively peaceful attitude towards us of ordinary Americans is not so much the merit of our Kremlin agitprop, as the shortcomings of the State Department and its propaganda resource, absolute confidence in which, it seems, even at home is no longer observed.

The American propaganda machine really found itself in a difficult situation, which political extrovert Barack Obama only aggravated. He promised to end the wars that his predecessor began, instead he started new ones. He promised a reboot of relations with Moscow, and as a result he brought the confrontation of two nuclear powers to a pre-war state. And I did a lot of other things to make everyone come to the conclusion: after 44, the American president in the world stories There will be not the brightest spot.

However, in American history, too. A stunning result was given by a survey conducted on Facebook by TV presenter Sean Hanniti. The question was simple: do you think President Obama is weaker than President Putin? 98 – 99% of participants answered in the affirmative. And this is in the United States, where, as the respondents themselves emphasized, never in the entire history did a foreign leader outpace American popularity!

Republican Donald Trump, of course, could not help but use this curious circumstance for ambitious America in the campaign for the presidency. If elected, he is not going to fight with Russia (or to tear its economy apart), but to seek a common language, to establish relations. It is difficult to say how it will be in reality, but it is already clear: even the United States has finally become critical of the arguments of the Russophobes. And the number of such “dissidents” is large enough to take their point of view in the struggle for the electorate.

But for the Russians the United States is again the enemy number 1. A week ago, the Levada Center conducted a survey and found that 72% of our fellow citizens are extremely hostile to the United States. The second place is behind Ukraine, the third in the order of transferring is an unfriendly country Turkey. And it is natural. Now, even if Recep Tayyip Erdogan would apologize for being shot down on the sly of Su-24, the train left anyway - the relations between the countries and between the peoples are spoiled for a long time.

But with the US Open armed conflict we have not had, from then on our part, there is a glow of hatred? Why is our country, which has recently been thrown open to the world, turned again into one ideological camp? Why, if you believe the statistics, international tension over worries the Russians more than the decline in living standards?

Such an effect can occur only in the case of a massive reformatting of consciousness. And it is unlikely that only Dmitry Kiselev with his “News of the Week”, which broadcasts on the second button ... It was not without a powerful additional resource. It remains to be assumed: in some inexplicable way, the Kremlin is being promoted by its ideological adversary — the Western propaganda machine.


German Tanks Leopard 2 has already set their sights on moving east. Reuters Photos

And there is nothing surprising! The Soviet myth that somewhere over the ocean there is an amazing country where wealth reigns, justice and truth, could not stand the test of time. Especially on the truth. The Russian philistine may not be as well-read as homo sovieticus was, but he already realized that he, like Dakota's subjugators of naive Indians, was cynically bred first with NATO’s advance to the east, then sequentially with Yugoslavia and the American anti-missile defense system, supposedly created against Iran ... And it becomes quite funny when in the West they claim that it is Russia in August 2008, suddenly attacked defenseless Georgia and is now waiting for the right moment to pounce on the Baltic states too ...

Here, as in shuttle diplomacy, two options are possible: either your opponent does not have an elementary conscience (in politics such a phenomenon is not uncommon), or you are considered a complete idiot. After all, we know well how it was with Georgia in fact, and that to the Baltic, even as to a long sandy beach, Russia has no interest today. But since the Western propaganda specialists in the dialogue with the “quilted jackets” do not bother themselves with particular ingenuity, it is not surprising that its influence on the Russian audience either diminishes or causes a backlash - up to hostility, which only increases when Russia is called Upper Volta with rockets , then a gas station, which considers itself a country.

FEDERAL ARMED FORCES ready to jump

In fact, the history of our relations with Europe is much larger than the own history of the United States of America. But if Moscow doesn’t always succeed in dictating its conditions to Moscow (especially in recent years), then the capital of the Old World, still considered one of the cradles of world civilization, literally lies side-by-side on its shoulder blades and, it seems, on command from overseas ready even for hara-kiri - economic, political, and maybe even military ...

And here is the latest story on this topic. As the Welt reported, for the first time since 2006, the German authorities decided to correct and supplement the so-called White Paper - a kind of national security policy guide. In general, after 70 years after the end of the Second World War, the Germans again see Russia as a rival - they consider the same threat to themselves as international terrorism and radical nationalism.

And although the scientific director of the German-Russian Forum, German international journalist Alexander Rahr argues: The White Paper is not yet a doctrine and not a government course, it’s just a platform for elite’s intellectual exercises, and Drang nach Osten is not even thinking about it should be, still in my heart somehow restless.

It is one thing when Lithuania produces you as a military rival, all of which can fit in one restaurant at a time. Another thing is the Bundeswehr, for whom the ability to fight - a genetic feature and which in case of war turns from 200-thousandth to half a million army. In addition, at the disposal of the Germans, in addition to their own, there are also American military equipment and weapons, including the American nuclear arsenal, the volumes of which are not disclosed on the territory of Germany for reasons of secrecy.

It is not yet known whether the government of the FRG will accept the new edition of the White Paper and with what amendments. But since all security agencies have worked with this 80-page document compiled by the Ministry of Defense, it is clear that there are enough supporters of the new concept of national security in Germany. However, it was enough just to mention the leading and guiding role of the German military department (since 2013, the German Defense Ministry is headed by a former gynecologist with an economics education, Ursula von der Lyayen) in preparing the revised and augmented edition of the White Paper to suggest in which direction Russian-German relations. Obviously not the best.

It was Ursula von der Lyayen a year ago, on the eve of the Day of Memory and Tribulation, said in an interview with Bild that “it is better to talk with Moscow from a position of strength”. The result was quite symbolic, because, if you look closely, in the 1941 year, the USSR was accused of practically the same thing as Russia today: it threatens the established world order, turns away from the West, strengthens strategic rivalry and strengthens military activity on the external borders of the European Union (then Europe in the known degree was also united - whether a vassal, or an ally of the Third Reich), etc. Within the meaning of exactly the same claims, Hitler presented Stalin when he moved the Wehrmacht to the east; there was no accusation except of using “digital communications to influence public opinion” and accusations of informal control “over discussions in social networks” ...

Still, the Russian establishment still believes that Ursula von der Lyayen simply brought it because of the lack of clarity in military affairs and big politics - for example, Igor Morozov, a member of the international affairs committee of the Federation Council, said. In his opinion, the head of the German Foreign Ministry Frank-Walter Steinmeier, who spoke in favor of the lifting of sanctions more than once, is simply obliged to intervene, and then Angela Merkel herself, who recently allegedly marked “a trend towards improvement in relations between Russia, as a heavy artillery. and the EU.

But the fact of the matter is that Angela Merkel’s other equally fresh statements regarding Russia are no different from the position set forth in the working version of the White Paper edited by Ursula von der Lyayen. And since it has already been said that Germany can exclude Russia from partners and translate into a different quality, it does not matter what version of the White Book the Frau Chancellor and Frau Minister of War will finally agree on. It is important that Germany, although in the draft version of the yet unapproved White Paper, has nevertheless crossed some conditional line, after which 50 million died in the past — including 27 million of our fellow citizens — and all of Europe in ruins, as well as This is an epochally important circumstance that it is thanks to Moscow that Germany today is one state. If then Margaret Thatcher could not be persuaded, it is possible that today Angela Merkel would be the chancellor of only one of the German halves.
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  1. The point
    The point 13 June 2016 05: 56
    +52
    When the country was being torn to pieces, the entire world community "loved" us. In everyday language, it looks something like this: while the courtyard urla took away our hard-earned accumulated (or saved) money from us, they did not try to beat us. But as soon as we sent them on a long journey on foot, it suddenly turned out that we are a global threat, i.e. we, horror, are undemocratic. I, of course, exaggerate, but if democracy in its current form is a tool for the collapse of my country, then let the world community shove it anywhere according to its tolerant choice.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 13 June 2016 07: 05
      -68%
      That was three years before the Second World War (before the purges), but not so much plundered, but killed right away ...
      1. Pitot
        Pitot 13 June 2016 08: 00
        +44
        Whom did she kill? Such freaks that collapsed in the USSR in the 1990s. Killed a little .... liberal was too Power under Stalin. Here we are reaping ....
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        2. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 13 June 2016 08: 09
          -42%
          those visiting and homegrown Trotskyite ghouls who had previously killed the people and therefore were its enemies

          And now, if not like that, urgently all nine (or more) run and forward your minus signs to plus signs
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 08: 17
            +12
            Quote: Simpsonian
            And now, if not like that, urgently all nine (or more) run and forward your minus signs to plus signs

            For this phrase, catch it from me.
            1. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 13 June 2016 21: 48
              -4
              don’t cipher, you can see Depardieu with EhrenPokal and in a T-shirt from ...
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          2. gjkrjdybr50
            gjkrjdybr50 13 June 2016 09: 29
            +7
            Where is this non-real? Why does the flags change? Disguised?
            1. siberalt
              siberalt 13 June 2016 10: 24
              +7
              Taki, Simpson, in a word fool
            2. EvgNik
              EvgNik 13 June 2016 15: 56
              +2
              Quote: gjkrjdybr50
              Why does the flags change? Disguised?

              Changing the flag is a problem. Only through admins. And you will cry more than once.
              1. Signore Tomato
                Signore Tomato 15 June 2016 17: 45
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                Quote: EvgNik
                Quote: gjkrjdybr50
                Why does the flags change? Disguised?

                Changing the flag is a problem. Only through admins. And you will cry more than once.



                Easy - go out into tyrnet through a proxy server - voila!
            3. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 14 June 2016 00: 29
              -5
              gjkrjdybr50 RU Yesterday, 09:29 ↑

              Where is this non-real? Why does the flags change? Disguised?

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              sibiralt (7) RU Yesterday, 10:24 ↑

              Taki simpson in one word fool



              Why can not you? laughing
              1. goose
                goose 14 June 2016 13: 55
                0
                Dear, you would bother yourself with evidence of your statements, there would be 2 times less minuses.
          3. EvgNik
            EvgNik 13 June 2016 15: 54
            0
            I do not understand what you wanted to say? Express yourself more clearly.
          4. goose
            goose 14 June 2016 13: 52
            +3
            Quote: Simpsonian
            those visiting and homegrown Trotskyite ghouls who had previously killed the people and therefore were its enemies

            What nonsense, people settled accounts with each other, someone served at the expense of others. The same Khrushchev who organized a mass famine in his homeland, was he a Trotskyist? No, this level of stupidity and chaos after a protracted civil war is going through the roof. The merit of the Soviet government and Stalin personally - he very quickly turned chaos into order, as a result of which he prevented millions of victims of social conflicts and ensured an acceptable balance of birth rate and mortality. We see this now in Ukraine, Georgia and other places. In fact, in 1941, Hitler was already met by a single people with common goals, specific plans and a working economy, which was not there 15 years ago.
        3. WKS
          WKS 13 June 2016 10: 59
          +9
          ... in the Russian establishment.
          This Americanism cuts the ear. Is it really impossible to write such an article without these words?
          1. Beefeater
            Beefeater 13 June 2016 11: 38
            -14%
            Quote: wks
            ... in the Russian establishment.
            This Americanism cuts the ear. Is it really impossible to write such an article without these words?

            If such words are removed, only mat and fenya will remain. Or gestures. But this is in person
        4. vassa
          vassa 13 June 2016 20: 16
          -9
          It turns out that the geneticist Vavilov, the poets Klyuyev, Gumilyov, military commander Blucher were freaks? .. They killed for their origin, for a big name, they killed for information, they drowned our best and most talented compatriots with barges. Only those who try to justify the murders of millions (!! !!) of our compatriots. So this is YOU- DEEP moral ... or else absolutely illiterate.
          1. Svidetel 45
            Svidetel 45 13 June 2016 23: 09
            +3
            So after all, the civil war continued, only even more terrible, where there was no clear front line, where the worst enemy of the system could sit with the same party card as Stalin's in leading positions in party and state bodies, where the struggle was not life and death. only between "white and red", but between yesterday former comrades-in-arms, and in any war, sacrifices are inevitable, including from those not involved in the war.
        5. Asadullah
          Asadullah 13 June 2016 22: 10
          0
          Such freaks that collapsed in the USSR in the 1990s.


          And who ruined? Why ruined? What ruined? Is there a difference between the CCP and the CPSU?

          It is such a thing that only citizens of capitalist Russia were able to recognize freaks, and even call freaks freaks. Is it because just learning to survive, learned and think independently? And then before that, everything was decided by the party, in which, too, the favorite role-playing game of democratic centralism. Slowly turning into gerontocracy, divorced both from reality and from the common sense of the leaders of the Politburo. So, it’s wonderful with the shootings, because it was they who completely discouraged the citizens from the desire to think, the highly competent loaded the chungun.
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      2. vassa
        vassa 13 June 2016 20: 08
        -1
        That's right, it was!
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 13 June 2016 07: 40
      +8
      In politics, no one ever loved anyone. The vassals were afraid of the lord, bowed before him. The conquered hated the conquerors. The conquerors robbed the conquered .. So everything returned to normal, to hate each other. There is no Soviet Union, there is no harmony in the world.
      1. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 13 June 2016 07: 58
        +13
        Quote: dmi.pris
        The vassals were afraid of the lord, bowed before him. The conquered hated the conquerors. The conquerors robbed the conquered.

        This is not politics, it is, so to speak, the economic part. And in politics, there have never been friends, which we strongly forgot in the late 80s and 90s. yes More precisely, they harbored naive illusions.
        1. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin 13 June 2016 09: 18
          +6
          This is not politics, it is, so to speak, the economic part

          What could be the policy if in a European state with the most powerful army in Europe MINISTER OF DEFENSE woman GYNECOLOGIST! What can we expect from them? Nothing good.
          What to expect from US policy where most senators and generals are 80 - 90 year old olds who have completely lost their minds and have long since fallen into childhood? Nothing good.
          It is necessary to develop anti-war propaganda, to show Europeans what will happen to them in the event of a nuclear conflict, they too relaxed, they forgot what war is. So that they themselves begin to ask for disarmament and the withdrawal of American troops from Europe.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 13 June 2016 15: 06
            +3
            Quote: sergeybulkin
            It is necessary to develop anti-war propaganda, to show Europeans what will happen to them in the event of a nuclear conflict, they too relaxed, they forgot what war is. So that they themselves begin to ask for disarmament and the withdrawal of American troops from Europe.


            That's right! And make a movie about evaporating Europeans, burnt gays, the fallen Eiffel tower and the fight for the last bottle of clean water and a bag of chips!
            1. igorka357
              igorka357 13 June 2016 16: 03
              0
              Immediately the Americans will say .. well, what we told you, Russia is terrible and scary, it wants to not only enslave you, it wants to destroy you ... So do not bring nonsense, dear!
            2. EvgNik
              EvgNik 13 June 2016 16: 08
              +1
              Quote: kalibr
              And the corresponding movie to shoot about evaporating Europeans, charred gays, a fallen Eiffel tower and a fight for the last bottle of clean water and a bag of chips

              That is right. Maybe then they will understand that in case of won everyone will lose. There will simply be no winners.
          2. igorka357
            igorka357 13 June 2016 16: 01
            0
            Do you think that you are writing as soon as we make a film about how we destroy European gays, the contingent of NATO and Americans will increase not just many times, but multiple! And we didn’t make such films just because we don’t have a fool in our guide!
            1. sergeybulkin
              sergeybulkin 13 June 2016 19: 36
              0
              as soon as we make a film about how we destroy European gays, the contingent of NATO and Americans will increase not just many times, but multiple! And we didn’t make such films just because we don’t have a fool in our guide!

              It is not necessary to remove the hood. film, shoot something like scientifically popular about the consequences of a nuclear war and add frames from Hiroshima there.
              After all, now there is a lot of talk about the fact that radiation is actually not as dangerous as "it is painted", and some "scientists" even say that it is useful. That life after a nuclear armageddon is possible, etc., etc.
          3. starochkin77
            starochkin77 13 June 2016 20: 56
            0
            There is an opinion that these are not the leaders of the Western shit of democracies, but members of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union of the early 80s, carrying all heresy and nonsense, memorized by the methodology of the Central Committee of the Party and Government, obtained from the top by order. hi
          4. Svidetel 45
            Svidetel 45 13 June 2016 23: 14
            +1
            And they basically don’t remember what war is, can we compare the consequences of the war for most European countries, such as Czechoslovakia, France or Holland with the USSR? Heaven and earth.
      2. Alena Frolovna
        Alena Frolovna 13 June 2016 08: 33
        +12
        The whole world Russia beckons and disturbs.
        And so unpredictable is she
        What can not be accused of him can not
        In all sins, at all times.

        She’ll rush into the whirlpool on a grand scale,
        And the fire, mad, will rise ...
        And if a shirt rips on his chest,
        So it really really will explode !!!

        Igor Lyapin
        1. cosmos111
          cosmos111 13 June 2016 09: 29
          0
          Moscow. 12 June. INTERFAX.RU - Russian President Vladimir Putin expressed condolences to US President Barack Obama and all Americans in connection with the tragedy that occurred in the city of Orlando.

          In a telegram of condolences, the head of the Russian state emphasized that Russia shares the pain and sorrow of those who lost their near and dear ones as a result of this barbaric crime and hopes for a speedy recovery of the wounded, the Kremlin press service said.
          http://www.interfax.ru/world/513167

          On the night of June 12, an American citizen of Afghan origin Omar Mathin killed 50 people in a nightclub in Orlando and injured 53. The shooter himself was killed during a police operation.
          1. Revolver
            Revolver 13 June 2016 15: 46
            +2
            Quote: cosmos111
            Putin expressed condolences to US President Barack Obama and all Americans

            Well, I understand the diplomatic protocol and all that. And yes, Obama can sympathize, his shots covered. And I personally do not need any condolences on this particular occasion, because I don’t hurt from what happened in any place. Well, maybe in my ears, because they were buzzing with this news.
            Quote: cosmos111
            killed in a nightclub
            very specific non-traditional orientation
          2. Svidetel 45
            Svidetel 45 13 June 2016 23: 23
            +1
            The rules of decency require condolences, maybe, but for me it would be better if he would convey condolences to the leadership of the DPR and LPR every time civilians and soldiers of the army of these republics die there at the hands of Kiev punishers, are these our people, or are the American pederasts more important?
    3. Maksus
      Maksus 13 June 2016 19: 59
      +2


      And the original photo is not destiny to look for?
    4. Skif100500
      Skif100500 16 June 2016 22: 56
      0
      "If the conversation went about the lack of democracy, then hold on to your wallet - they want to rob you" (c)
  2. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 June 2016 06: 46
    +1
    Despite the titanic efforts of the American propaganda campaign, according to a poll conducted by Gallup in February, only 15% of US citizens consider Russia the main enemy of America.

    But why then, is this S.ado silent and agrees with the government in everything? laughing
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 07: 03
      +32
      Quote: aszzz888
      But why then, is this S.ado silent and agrees with the government in everything?

      For an ordinary American, life goes very smoothly, bills, family, work. Russia is somewhere far, far so far that hell knows where this Russia is.
      Everyday worries of everyone leave it unknown where Russia is located even further than geographical coordinates. Simply put, they do not care deeply where we are and whether we are at all.
      90% of the population, not only in the USA, but also in other countries, enthusiastically upload their new photo to the social network. People just have no time to think about Russia or Iran, especially since there is no need to think about a possible warrior.
      In such circumstances, the government and the president, can build the base wherever he wants. Hang noodles on the ears, as much as needed. And if necessary, hangs still.
      Who is scared of a possible nuclear conflict in the world today? Read komenty on our site-We stomp dzhodkoy and NATO will run away.
      In short, Thunder will not strike, man will not overlap hi
      1. Revolver
        Revolver 13 June 2016 08: 16
        +23
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        .People have no time to think about Russia or Iran.
        Well essno. For example, all Sunday all news (and not only) channels played non-stop about the shot bugger bar. Even advertisements were cut or even skipped to cover hot news. This is what is remarkable, although both Obama and Clintonsha had to speak out on the matter, they both turned around so as not to pronounce the word "Islam" or "Muslim" in such a context that did not adorn them. Despite the fact that the shooter himself called the police before the case and stated that he was acting on behalf of ISIS, and he also mentioned the Shaheeds of the Tsarnaev brothers. On the other hand, both insisted that this is hatred and intolerance, you see, and we should all solidarize with the LGBT community.belay
        But not everyone is dumb. In one comment, in particular, they maliciously noticed that Clintonsha in Florida had half a hundred voters.yes
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 11: 29
          +2
          Quote: Nagan
          In one comment, in particular, they maliciously noticed that Clintonsha in Florida had half a hundred voters

          Yes, now I admit it is a tragedy lol
      2. kalibr
        kalibr 13 June 2016 08: 21
        +2
        But for the Russians, the USA is again the enemy of No. 1. A week ago, the Levada Center conducted a survey and found that 72% of our fellow citizens are extremely hostile to the United States. The second place belongs to Ukraine, Turkey is considered the third in the order of transfer by an unfriendly country.

        Everything is according to Pareto's law, isn't it? Which was required to be confirmed. This means that you can continue to hang noodles in the same spirit. And it would be okay if the USA ... But how can Ukraine be considered the enemy number 2? It's funny until stomach cramps. But ... "they think." But it's time to get smarter ...
        1. kit_bellew
          kit_bellew 13 June 2016 09: 39
          +4
          Quote: kalibr
          But how can Ukraine be considered enemy number 2? It's funny until stomach cramps. But ... "they think." But it's time to get smarter ...

          And what is the Levada Center, in your opinion? And whose money is there?
          Quote: Pedivikia
          The partners and customers of the center are international institutions, Russian and foreign companies, research, educational and non-profit organizations, including UNICEF, UNDP, ILO, WHO, World Bank, Sberbank of Russia, the Federal Agency for Education of the Russian Federation, the Federal Agency for Press and Mass Communications , SU-HSE, other Russian and foreign universities, the Public Chamber of the Russian Federation, etc. Leading staff of the Levada Center are members of the international professional associations ESOMAR [1], OIROM. [2]

          Look for someone who benefits from crime, said the ancient Romans. Here they are, customers of the fact that Ukraine is the enemy No. 2. It’s no secret to anyone that all these opinion scholars are actually his form. And we clearly see whose money and in support of whose interests.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 13 June 2016 14: 54
            0
            Quote: kit_bellew
            Sberbank of Russia, Federal Agency for Education of the Russian Federation, Federal Agency for Press and Mass Communications, SU-HSE, Other Russian and Foreign Universities, Public Chamber of the Russian Federation


            That is, here are your enemies, and they want to strain you through Levada? And, yes, I probably agree that people are controlled through polls. I did it myself and am teaching to do it. But ... the result is very stupid. That's what worries me. This is most likely true.
        2. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 11: 31
          +6
          Quote: kalibr
          But how can one be considered the enemy No. 2 to Ukraine.

          And dear, go to the Censor or Korensponder. No, and write there that you are Russian and Ukraine, now we are not the enemy. You will learn a lot about yourself and most will be in obscene form. Your brothers from Ukraine will write to you.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 13 June 2016 14: 51
            -1
            I never wrote that they are my brothers. I wrote, hoping that you understand that a weak, destructive country, such as Ukraine today, cannot be an enemy of the great Russia, a nuclear power. Isn't Burkina Faso an enemy to you? And the obscene form is just from weakness. "Ai Pug ..." Isn't it?
        3. EvgNik
          EvgNik 13 June 2016 16: 13
          0
          Quote: kalibr
          But for the Russians, the USA is again enemy No. 1.

          For me, enemy number 1 is small Britain. States - an obedient toy.
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 13 June 2016 21: 45
            0
            Dear Evgeny Nikolaevich! Perhaps so, especially if you take the British elite. Moreover, Britain has nuclear weapons - it can respond and even threaten. But Ukraine ... enemy number 2, well, it's funny ... how will it answer, how will it threaten, what troops and where will it move? Yes, from some explosions of 5-ton bombs, all their troops will scatter in any direction, from those that remain, and the rest will be finished off by the "Solntsepeki". It's funny that people see her as an enemy. This is poor thinking. The enemy is the one who can harm, and how can Ukraine harm us? Build a soldier who ate peas and lard with their asses on the border in our direction, then, by order of bzd ..., and set fire to them at once? This will indeed harm us a lot. Tons of oxygen will be burned!
            1. Svidetel 45
              Svidetel 45 13 June 2016 23: 39
              +1
              Well, there is no need to oversimplify the situation, how else can Ukraine harm Russia, because behind its back are the Anglo-Saxons, who so love and know how to rake in the heat with someone else's hands, pump up money, arm, and there is enough voluntary cannon fodder there to "annoy" Russia We will not immediately, for each local conflict, use nuclear weapons, so that bloodshed can spoil us decently, do not underestimate the threats. In addition, when the poll was conducted, many responding to it and calling Ukraine enemy No. 2 had in mind not so much the degree of the immediate military threat emanating from it, but rather the hostility and attitude of Ukrainian citizens towards Russia.
      3. kalibr
        kalibr 13 June 2016 08: 30
        +8
        My former student studied in the USA in Texas. In the midst of events in Ukraine, I ask her what they write in the newspapers. She is nothing to me. There is an 24 political news channel hours a day, and in the newspapers everything is just about rodeos. Day of the week before the rodeo, week of the rodeo, two weeks after the rodeo - Texas however.
      4. DerSamowar
        DerSamowar 13 June 2016 12: 12
        +4
        The citizen is absolutely right. I have been to the United States many times and I will say with confidence that the overwhelming majority of Americans are exactly the same people as we who just live for themselves and they absolutely do not care about war and / or peace on other continents.
        1. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 13 June 2016 16: 23
          +2
          The citizen is absolutely right.
          In Britain, the situation is exactly the same. They are worried about their problems, as well as cocktail cards of football players, abuse of the social security system, and other nonsense.
  3. alex74nur
    alex74nur 13 June 2016 06: 55
    +7
    Oh colleagues, the smell of war in the world.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 13 June 2016 08: 24
      +3
      In the world it smells like big money for smart people, and war always (!) Smelled for stupid people so that they wouldn’t relax and wouldn’t ask a lot from the government. There’s an enemy! A rascal will come and take it away, a black man will settle in the country, and that’s all - the end is happiness.
      1. DerSamowar
        DerSamowar 13 June 2016 12: 14
        +2
        Ah, your comment would be framed - and hang in the most prominent place in the house! The citizen is absolutely right!
        1. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 13 June 2016 23: 44
          +1
          A citizen is absolutely wrong, because inevitably the smell of gunpowder appears after the smell of money, and then the war itself comes, generations of the 10s and 30s of the last century could confirm this if they were still alive.
    2. Alena Frolovna
      Alena Frolovna 13 June 2016 08: 25
      +10
      "War, it’s not who shoots anyone, but who changes their minds!"
      Sergeant Major Vaskov from the movie "The Dawns Here Are Quiet ..."
    3. EvgNik
      EvgNik 13 June 2016 16: 15
      0
      Quote: alex74nur
      Oh colleagues, the smell of war in the world.

      Doesn't smell - it stinks.
  4. Nmpanfil
    Nmpanfil 13 June 2016 06: 57
    +9
    History has the property of repeating itself, but in each case, variations are possible, so that it (history) does not repeat literally, you need a strong fist and to be seen, speak with the strong, respect them (for their strength), they beat and humiliate the weak. The main thing is not to give people without a homeland (oligarchy, liberals of all stripes) to sell us for those 30 pieces of silver, pursuing their own benefits and self-interest, a lot of money does not have a homeland like their owners.
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 07: 15
      +1
      Quote: NMPanfil
      . The main thing is not to give people without a homeland (oligarchy, liberals of all stripes) sell us for those 30 pieces of silver, pursuing their own benefits and self-interest

      Syria, Donbass, Crimea-lot discontinued!
    2. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 13 June 2016 23: 51
      +1
      And in order not to give, we need again "cleansing", but after all it is impossible, liberals of all stripes and ranks, and the Western "public" will raise such a howl that our leadership will put their ears in rights of "common people", butcher and so on. epithets, no one wants to do dirty work.
  5. eleronn
    eleronn 13 June 2016 07: 14
    -5
    "Why, if statistics is to be believed, are Russians again worried about international tensions more than declining living standards?" Don't believe the statistics! It is the decline in living standards that worries people in the country and (this decline) is already difficult to explain by the intrigues of external enemies!
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 07: 46
      +6
      Quote: eleronn
      It is the decline in living standards that excites people in the country

      And more recently, they shouted, “We are ready to tighten our belts, we’ll interrupt ourselves with bread. Just like a two-faced man.”
      If you personally, a piece of sausage cares more, then let's not talk for everyone.
      1. Orang
        Orang 13 June 2016 09: 42
        +8
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        If you personally, a piece of sausage cares more, then let's not talk for everyone.

        The presence of a piece of sausage depends not so much on external sanctions as on the incompetence of governing the country. And belt tightening will be exclusively "mobile".
        She will go to war if the war happens.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 13 June 2016 09: 59
          +1
          Quote: Orang
          The presence of a piece of sausage depends not so much on external sanctions as on the incompetence of government

          - for sure. And the fact that Putin smells at your doorway is cats (Medvedev is to the brink)
          - and nothing less. Not the one, mind you, who urinates in this entrance, namely the "incompetent management"

          Did I understand you correctly? wink
          1. EvgNik
            EvgNik 13 June 2016 16: 22
            +1
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            - for sure. And the fact that Putin smells at your doorway is cats (Medvedev is to the brink)
            - and nothing less. Not the one, mind you, who urinates in this entrance, namely the "incompetent management"

            Kotyara, bravo. Do you want me to put you another photo? In store, and not one.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 13 June 2016 16: 26
              +1
              Quote: EvgNik
              Do you want me to put you another photo?

              - which one? If we are talking about a cat, then the child gave this photo to me, and said "you are like him" laughing
          2. Orang
            Orang 13 June 2016 18: 09
            +2
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Did I understand you correctly?

            No, not right.
            The corn harvest in 2015 was a record one. Dealers have driven grain abroad. Prices have doubled in the domestic market. Livestock breeders (corn-fodder) also promise a rise in prices for all their own. The government does not see anything special, "beef will enter the segment of status food, like caviar" (milk is immediately formed in the refrigerator, yes), cheap fish is also not about us, Dvorkovich, like, where did you get the idea that fish should be cheaper than meat, referred to global trends.
            This is 15 minutes of television news. And you are laughing about cats.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 13 June 2016 21: 34
              -2
              Quote: Orang
              (corn feed)

              - for whom specifically? For koroff? do not tell the slippers, for the cow the feed is corn silo .. the cobs are resting, yes ...

              Quote: Orang
              beef will enter the segment of status food, like caviar

              - a reference to a place on the Internet where you found it, I'm already interested wink

              Quote: Orang
              This is 15 minutes of television news.

              - it is for you so many do not. Limit yourself to one minute for now .. consider this a medical appointment ..

              PS: looser, you understand yes
              1. Orang
                Orang 14 June 2016 00: 12
                +1
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - a reference to a place in the internet where you found it, I'm already interested in wink

                The poor have no servants, look for yourself, I'm too lazy.
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                - You don’t need it so much. Limit yourself to one minute for now .. consider this a medical appointment ..

                PS: vyunosh, you understand yes

                Judging by the cleverness and the abundance of emoticons, "vyunosh" you
            2. Vincent
              Vincent 14 June 2016 09: 29
              0
              Manuals have gone.

              Interestingly, is it you who study at RBC or personally send by mail?
          3. kalibr
            kalibr 13 June 2016 21: 51
            +5
            In Hong Kong, urinated in elevators. The city leadership spent a lot of money on special analyzers. Now you just need to piss in the elevator, how the sensor works, the elevator closes and the police are called. The penalty discourages any desire to do this a second time! And now in Hong Kong no one is doing this. People are by and large cattle, but competent management can fix them.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 13 June 2016 21: 58
              0
              Quote: kalibr
              People are by and large cattle, but competent management can fix them.

              - I agree. Even incompetent.
              - a crowd of 1000 man-heads under and without leadership are two big differences (as they used to say in Odessa .. now they say that everywhere .. shhh ...)

              Quote: kalibr
              Now you just need to piss in the elevator

              - caliber, and have you ever tried a thread? Here, personally, something doesn’t allow me to urinate in elevators .. probably the rules of electrical safety .. but you didn’t have a foot in them ...

              In short .. to argue - rush in the elevator? At the Ostankino tower, for example?

              The bid will be correct .. me guarantee wink
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 14 June 2016 06: 21
                +1
                I have not tried, but read about it. About Hong Kong. And that the then mayor of Hong Kong put a lot of effort into breaking it all. Since you know English, type a question in it and the whole story with Hong Kong and the analyzers will be there.
          4. TOR2
            TOR2 13 June 2016 22: 34
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            And the fact that Putin smells at your doorway is cats (Medvedev is to the brink)
            - and nothing less. Not the one, mind you, who urinates in this entrance, namely the "incompetent management"

            There is not much to choose. Or clean up after cats, or hordes of mice and rats in the basement. The competent leadership in the geyropa decided to somehow get rid of the cats, the ending was very sad. Then it was imported from around the world.
        2. Beefeater
          Beefeater 13 June 2016 12: 05
          +3
          Nevertheless, the oligarch from Gazprom, who was caught for the dangerous driving of his son’s oligarch, sat down for 15 days, despite the fact that three times the corrupt prosecutors closed the case. This is a sign of some particularly untouchable part of the population.
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 13 June 2016 17: 53
            -1
            Quote: Beefeater
            This is a sign of some particularly untouchable part of the population.

            - I agree with you
            - I will formulate a little more clearly, if you do not mind:
            - This is a sign that you can’t be rude. And frankly rude - just not
            - regardless of who and where you have dad and mom wink

            PS: Once upon a time, a very long time .. here was the nickname Bifiter. It wasn’t you there, an hour?

            Plus 100-1 in karma, no more for me, litter sad
      2. DerSamowar
        DerSamowar 13 June 2016 12: 20
        +1
        The standard of living is not only a piece of sausage, you know.
      3. EvgNik
        EvgNik 13 June 2016 16: 18
        +2
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        And more recently, they shouted, “We are ready to tighten our belts, we’ll interrupt ourselves with bread. Just like a two-faced man.”

        Alexander, we’ll kill ourselves, but there’s something else besides a piece of bread.
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 13 June 2016 07: 56
      -1
      In the US, by the way, only 2% of the population is more or less interested in politics, in our country for 80%, as if people have nothing to do. But the authorities are comfortable! Everything can be attributed to the machinations of enemies. Here was a case - the roof collapsed in the water park. How did it end, who is sitting? Who was compensated and how? A boy drowned in a water park. How did it end? Newly built houses began to crack at the site of the fires. How did it end? And so on. First they shout about "news". Then "forget" is convenient. And only the "bad Americans" are the same trend. This presentation of information is unprofessional and stupid.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 08: 08
        +2
        Quote: kalibr
        In the USA, by the way, only 2% of the population is more or less interested in politics,

        Only 2%
        Quote: kalibr
        , we have over 80%, as if people have nothing to do.

        Curiosity is the first sign of intelligence.
        Quote: kalibr
        But power is convenient!

        Strange, it turns out that you are interested in politics, the government is to blame?
        Quote: kalibr
        Everything can be attributed to the machinations of enemies. Here was a case - the roof collapsed in the water park. How did it end, who is sitting? To whom and how did they compensate? The boy drowned in the water park.

        Someone attributed these cases to the machinations of enemies?
        Quote: kalibr
        How did it end?

        So what, tell me?
        Quote: kalibr
        ... First they shout about "news". Then "forget" is convenient.

        That is, according to your opinion. If they didn’t say on TV, it means that the prosecutor’s office was delighted and the case was seif thrown in FIG.
        Quote: kalibr
        And only the "bad Americans" are the same trend.

        Well, close the computer and forget about America.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 08: 25
          +4
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Well, close the computer and forget about America

          Are you advising Shpakovsky? Oh well. He has not received all the grants. fellow
          1. kalibr
            kalibr 13 June 2016 08: 33
            -2
            You're right! I just received a grant from the Russian State Humanitarian University and look forward to another one next year!
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 13 June 2016 08: 32
          +2
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          That is, according to your opinion. If they didn’t say on TV, it means that the prosecutor’s office was delighted and the case was seif thrown in FIG.

          Not. But I would tell about this (how it ended) to people!

          Someone attributed these cases to the machinations of enemies? - Do not be so primitive. You perfectly understand that I do not mean these cases. And the fact that the standard of living is growing disproportionately to the country's wealth and for some reason, Russia is attractive only in 60 place in the world.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 11: 27
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            In terms of attractiveness, Russia is only 60th in the world.

            Who are the ratings?
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 13 June 2016 14: 18
              +2
              I judge by who goes to work with us and who is in the USA. To us you know who, in the USA - students of our universities, our future. And why? They pay more there! But I did not hear that students from the States came to work for us. So these ratings are wrong and wrong, huh? And do not answer a question with a question.
              1. Svidetel 45
                Svidetel 45 14 June 2016 00: 16
                +1
                If we had built skyscrapers at the beginning of the last century, as in America, and did not live 90% under thatched roofs, if we had 10 AUGs and 20 trillion dollars of public debt, then our students would not have gone to America us a job.
            2. EvgNik
              EvgNik 13 June 2016 16: 32
              0
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Who are the ratings?

              Quote: kalibr
              I judge by who goes to work with us and who is in the United States.

              You guys are both wrong. The conversation went into a skirmish.
              Any ratings are bullshit.
              Who goes where is his private business.
              1. kalibr
                kalibr 13 June 2016 16: 50
                0
                Only to us, Evgeny Nikolaevich, their students do not go to work. And ours go there. That's all!
                1. SokolfromRussia
                  SokolfromRussia 14 June 2016 11: 47
                  0
                  Vitaly, do not pay attention. People do not care about the economic collapse of their own country, their homosexual parades abroad are concerned.

                  Here is a typical example. Worth in American jeans and sneakers and throws mud at the USA.

                  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=f0D9zPcZC2U
      2. Mikhail3
        Mikhail3 13 June 2016 19: 16
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        In the USA, by the way, only 2% of the population is more or less interested in politics, we have 80%, as if people have nothing to do.

        You are sick? Or injured with head injury?
        Russians are interested in politics because politics often turns into war, and as a rule they attack us. My Smolensk is at least 1200 years old, but our "historical" buildings are mainly represented by remakes built after the War. As always, we were bombed to pieces, smashed to rubble. And how many Smolyans disappeared under that rubble again, you can't count.
        If a Russian is not interested in politics, he is either a stump or not Russian. Very, you know, I want to live ...
        Therefore, by the way, all Western propaganda was so liquid. You cannot buy us, like the Germans, with promises of booty, slaves, and the bloody joy of murder. But we can clearly see when the provocateurs call for war to cash in on someone else's blood. Our historical experience is very great in this regard. As soon as people traveled around the world, looked around, and all the nonsense immediately fell away ...
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 13 June 2016 20: 18
          0
          You may be interested in war as much as you wish or not. The button will be pressed with you without consulting. You obviously do not have money for an underground shelter, as well as a bungalow in New Caledonia (they won’t throw bombs there!). So what to worry about? Live and enjoy what is today. He will come tomorrow, it will be seen! And when the bombs fly, it will be bad and a provocateur. So shout one, do another!
      3. Svidetel 45
        Svidetel 45 14 June 2016 00: 10
        +1
        Yes, of course, good Americans, they bomb whoever they want and when they want, move military bases to our borders, reshape the rules of international politics "for themselves", and we should only be interested in the trough in front of us and demand only one thing, so that the swill in it is more satisfying, so that the sidewalk was smoother, and the rest should not concern us, and it is, isn't that what you think? And what, in America there are no houses with cracks, everything is brand new, but there are no accidents with boys, and the perpetrators always sit down? I doubt it, especially when reports come in about the actions of their police, which are usually justified.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 14 June 2016 06: 27
          0
          All this is there. Like us, but they go again to them, and not to us. Strange ... we are good, they are bad, but the youth (students) goes to them. Rides while studying ... and after studying. Which of the states came to us while studying and ... remained not for the sake of a beautiful girl. There are such cases. And for the sake of career and earning (I do not know such cases).
    3. AID.S
      AID.S 13 June 2016 08: 09
      +16
      Quote: eleronn
      "Why, if statistics is to be believed, are Russians again worried about international tensions more than declining living standards?" Don't believe the statistics! It is the decline in living standards that worries people in the country and (this decline) is already difficult to explain by the intrigues of external enemies!

      When the question stands squarely - "life or death", the issues of lowering the standard of living somehow cease to worry.
      This hog before slaughter begins to worry about the standard of living - and why it is not fed. A bear raised in winter does not care about temperature, either in the den or in the forest.
      Just don't say that as soon as Putin leaves and Russia will return Crimea, the Americans will immediately remove the fleet, troops and bases from our borders, and our standard of living will immediately increase. On the contrary, don't go to a fortuneteller. And they will pat the new Yeltsin on the shoulder, give him a bottle and sit at the second table at the summit. Well, even in Hollywood, some pi..r will remove something documentary about the democratic prezik of "free Russia".
    4. smith7
      smith7 13 June 2016 08: 19
      +4
      Of course, many began to live poorer. A significant part of the impoverished are people who earned money in the "unreal" sector of the economy, accustomed to indefatigable "consumption". It will take many years until society is reformatted under the influence of circumstances, that is, a new economic order. And the circumstances are such that it is necessary to defend Russia both from the outside and from the inside. Living for free will not work ... A decline in the standard of living is normal for a warring economy ... If only they didn’t let the boat rock the boat, and then we’ll do it, not in the first!
      PS I would transfer the capital to begin with. To Eastern Siberia, for example, or to Primorye. In Moscow, they are too "snickering" and produce "confusion" from there. And so, you see, pro-Western-minded Muscovites will disperse across Mother Russia, and the new metropolitan region will receive an impetus for development.
      1. SokolfromRussia
        SokolfromRussia 14 June 2016 11: 49
        -1
        You protect, protect. Only it is not clear from whom, the top of your attempts, as it were, do not care.
    5. Beefeater
      Beefeater 13 June 2016 12: 01
      +1
      Well, what cares? Did not live richly - do not start figs. Much more important is the moment that Russia has always developed rapidly during periods of external threat.
    6. DerSamowar
      DerSamowar 13 June 2016 12: 18
      +3
      Abramovich and friends minusanuli, one hundred percent ... Otherwise, I would have decided that the average Russian citizens on a high for one trip to the grocery store to leave at least a thousand rubles.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 13 June 2016 12: 23
        +2
        Quote: DerSamowar
        Abramovich and friends minusanuli, one hundred percent ... Otherwise, I would have decided that the average citizens of the Russian Federation are high for at least one trip to the grocery store leave at least a thousand rubles

        Curly live love I’ll tell you: you can leave at least ten, it would be something to leave. And you can (one) for this thousand live a week. It strongly depends on the microfinance situation (namely, the availability and size of wages).

        About minusoff - one there is mine. And that's why:

        Quote: eleronn
        And you do not believe the statistics! It is the decline in living standards that excites people in the country and (this decline) is already difficult to explain with the machinations of external enemies!

        - the guy tries to speak "for everyone" ("worries people")
        - it is not right. speak (with confidence) only for yourself yes
        - everything else - a lie ... and provocation

        This, in fact, is a provocation. Because the cons, IMHO request
    7. Svidetel 45
      Svidetel 45 13 June 2016 23: 55
      +1
      But I do not care, although I am not a businessman and not a government official, with a good income, so do not generalize for everyone about duplicity. And I’m ready to tighten the belt, but only in fairness, so that others do not fatten at the expense of the others at this time.
  6. Ilotan
    Ilotan 13 June 2016 07: 27
    +3
    The fact that only 15% of Americans consider Russia to be enemy No. 1 does not mean that the remaining 85% consider us to be their friends, but that we, this 85%, are completely indifferent to them. But this is not for long. There is an active campaign to prepare public opinion for the start of a major war.
    1. kalibr
      kalibr 13 June 2016 08: 05
      0
      With whom are the wars? Back in 1959, when the Dropshot plan was adopted, the Americans conducted a computer simulation of this attack (beginning on New Year's Eve 1960) and What? It turned out that the losses of the Air Force would amount to 50%. At the same time, the US aviation will become incapable of combat, since the crews of the surviving planes RUN and will not carry out combat missions. Then there was another calculation - a funny one. In the event of the occupation of Russia by the US troops, a third of the army will drink (Lump, Johnny, drink! - because an effective war is now possible only against outwardly different people, this is at the genetic level, and we and the Americans ... are similar). The second one will fall in love with our girls, who are all stars compared to their "tubs", and the last one will be killed by our partisans! All this is calculated by them and their generals know these calculations! Now the USA has only 150 tanks in Europe! What is this for? For a big war? But the main thing is not tanks! Rocket engines are not sold to the enemy, without which it is impossible to maintain a satellite constellation of guidance systems. Nickel is not sold to the enemy, titanium - "when flying on a Boeing, remember that the front landing gear is made of Russian titanium!", REM, do not lend by buying his securities and do not place assets in his banks. All this talk about war for b ... dla. For it is also known from the "Code of Tyrants" of ancient Greece that the threat of war or war strengthens the sole power!
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 13 June 2016 08: 26
        +6
        Quote: kalibr
        Now the US tanks in Europe only ... 150! What is this for? For a big war?

        But the number of nuclear weapons and their means of delivery in Europe can you tell me?
        Quote: kalibr
        The enemy does not sell rocket engines, without which it is impossible to maintain a satellite constellation of guidance systems. The enemy does not sell nickel, titanium

        We had experience and you, as a historian, should know exactly what time the last freight train with "nickel and titanium" crossed the Soviet-German border on June 22.
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 13 June 2016 08: 40
          -4
          That is, we step on the old rake? Does history not teach anything or not enemies?
          1. AID.S
            AID.S 13 June 2016 09: 21
            -3
            Rather, we are trying to get through the rake field, carefully placed by "partners". And historically, the West is always our enemy, history teaches us. Even if Russia accepts Catholicism, we can be friends, well, at least with the Poles ...
            1. Basil50
              Basil50 13 June 2016 09: 42
              +2
              aida.
              With your version of the story, you would have to psekte and be in the service of the pan, you would hardly be able to read and write either. There were never any other options for RUSSIANS in Poland.
              1. AID.S
                AID.S 13 June 2016 10: 33
                -4
                Quote: Vasily50
                With your version of the story would have

                And you, what, in Nizhny Novgorod, would then be scorched? That's the option. Yes, what an option, almost a reality would have been, if not for Minin and Pozharsky, who, according to kalibr and the "Code of Tyrants", "strengthened the sole authority."
                1. Basil50
                  Basil50 13 June 2016 10: 47
                  +1
                  aida.
                  I just didn’t have to be born. Too many * accidents * and class mixes impossible in Catholic * culture *.
                  1. AID.S
                    AID.S 13 June 2016 14: 52
                    0
                    Quote: Vasily50
                    I just didn’t have to be born. Too many * accidents * and class mixes impossible in Catholic * culture *.

                    So I don’t seem to bother smile and if I’m poking, it’s like in Russian.
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                3. kalibr
                  kalibr 13 June 2016 14: 25
                  0
                  But didn’t they strengthen the sovereign’s power in Russia, not the monarchy? Maybe Prince Pozharsky veche wanted to put at the helm, or the same Minin?
                  1. AID.S
                    AID.S 13 June 2016 15: 34
                    0
                    Quote: kalibr
                    But didn’t they strengthen the sovereign’s power in Russia, not the monarchy? Maybe Prince Pozharsky veche wanted to put at the helm, or the same Minin?

                    So there was no crowned sovereign in Russia at that time, but the uncrowned Polish, Vladislav was. Why didn't they strengthen his power, fought against the Poles? And having won, they did not become kings themselves, or did they appoint a tsar, but entrust this matter to a completely representative Zemsky Sobor? It looks like Pozharsky and Minin didn't read the "code" ... Well, they did everything wrong.
                    1. kalibr
                      kalibr 13 June 2016 16: 34
                      0
                      They defended the statehood of Russia. Statehood at that time was not conceived otherwise than a monarchy. What is incomprehensible, Lord? What does the Polish Vladislav have to do with it? And how could they declare themselves kings when their lineage was known? Something you "not that" write, dear.
                      Quote: AID.S

                      Well, they did everything wrong.
                      - Do you ascribe such words to me or your own fabrication? If to me - then I did not write this. If yours, then ... well.
                      1. AID.S
                        AID.S 15 June 2016 02: 08
                        0
                        Quote: kalibr
                        - Do you ascribe such words to me or your own fabrication? If to me - then I did not write this. If yours, then ... well.

                        It's just that for me your appeal to the "Code", in relation to the current situation in the country and around, is not convincing for me, if not doubtful and speaks only of your education.
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            3. kalibr
              kalibr 13 June 2016 14: 40
              -1
              Historically, all are enemies to each other. Your shirt is closer to your body. There is a national liberation front in Flanders. From whom? There is the Quebec National Liberation Front. From whom? Moreover, these even killed some Canadian minister. And such examples, when in a prosperous country there are people who want to "live separately" and see the citizens of their own country as enemies are many. And in a stranger's all potential enemies is an axiom, just enemies are different.
      2. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 08: 35
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        Americans conducted a computer simulation of this attack (beginning on the night of the New Year 1960)

        What year is it now?
        Quote: kalibr
        ). The second one will fall in love with our girls, who are all stars compared to their "tubs", and the last one will be killed by our partisans! All this is calculated by them and their generals know these calculations!

        No comments.......
        Quote: kalibr
        The enemy does not sell rocket engines, without which it is impossible to maintain a satellite constellation of guidance systems. The enemy does not sell nickel, titanium

        Coal and grain went to Germany until June 22, 1941 inclusive!
        Quote: kalibr
        All this talk of war is for the sake of ...

        You are a happy person, a peaceful sky awaits you forehead forever.
        Quote: kalibr
        ... For it is also known from the "Code of Tyrants" of ancient Greece that the threat of war or war strengthens the sole power!

        In Europe, they are now yelling everywhere that the Russians will attack soon. Does it mean they are strengthening the sole power?
        1. kalibr
          kalibr 13 June 2016 08: 42
          -1
          They knock out money for the interests of arms concerns. "The Russians are coming" means we need to make weapons. Does this really need to be explained? But doing and applying these are two different things!

          Coal and grain went to Germany until June 22, 1941, inclusive! - Yes, they went. And ... then we are stepping on the same rake? Do you think the government does not know this? No, they know, but they only act in their own way. And by the way, this is a salary for many people, taxes, and city-forming enterprises. And also a record number of businessmen are coming to the economic forum in St. Petersburg. Why's that? After all, "yell"?
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 09: 22
            0
            Quote: kalibr
            And also a record number of businessmen are coming to the economic forum in St. Petersburg. Why's that? After all, "yell"?

            Americans did not come
            1. kalibr
              kalibr 13 June 2016 14: 26
              0
              And in the news they showed the American that he was going to ...
            2. EvgNik
              EvgNik 13 June 2016 16: 40
              -1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Americans did not come

              Are Americans Businessmen? Hmm ... Pieces five to six. The rest can only eat, but copulate. If there are normal people there, these are those who came from Russia.
      3. Cat man null
        Cat man null 13 June 2016 11: 52
        0
        Quote: kalibr
        The enemy does not sell rocket engines, without which it is impossible to maintain a satellite constellation of guidance systems. The enemy does not sell nickel, titanium

        - Do you need to be reminded about deliveries to Germany from the USSR (up to June 22.06.1941, XNUMX), or do you remember?

        Quote: kalibr
        ... it is also known from the "Code of Tyrants" of ancient Greece that the threat of war or war strengthens the sole power

        - this is what you are talking about now, explain, if possible ...
  7. Skif83
    Skif83 13 June 2016 07: 43
    +4
    The Bundeswehr is another matter, for which the ability to fight is a genetic feature and which, in case of war, is transformed from a 200th army to a half million army.

    Well, no more genetic than ours, and when a Russian peasant turns into a partisan, in fact, he is permanently in this state, he causes genetic trembling among the Germans. The partisan differs from the soldier in that he is ready to tear the enemy with his teeth in any conditions, without even feeling for himself a reliable rear.
    And besides the USA and Germany, there is also an aging, but not decrepit British lion. Remember where our nouveau riche settle, having stolen miles? Exactly, in London! I would say that European politics is no less controlled precisely from there. But there is also France (dwarf enemies, such as the Baltic ones, we will not seriously consider it), to which Napoleon’s history does not give rest.
    Russia has always been, is and will be a tasty morsel for all "partners".
    And only when Russia is strong, it was, is and will be!
  8. Ivan750
    Ivan750 13 June 2016 07: 44
    +2
    "... in this peculiar dialogue of cultures we did not descend to the language of the" Kukryniksy "during the Second World War - we do not think about the West in general and about America in particular by means of rock carvings ..." What did the collective of Soviet artists create so low, which included full members of the USSR Academy of Arts, People's Artists of the USSR, Heroes of Socialist Labor Kupriyanov, Krylov, Sokolov? Or, perhaps, the author has created something higher than the work of these artists?
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 13 June 2016 09: 36
      0
      Most likely, the author’s ancestors fell into a caricature, so the desire to kick and spit in my heart beats.
  9. then
    then 13 June 2016 07: 50
    +4
    When we lived behind the Iron Curtain, Hollywood formed the concept of the Western world and Soviet propaganda could do little to oppose this. It turned out that there was no need for any propaganda, but only to open the boundaries and "Being determines consciousness." I hope that the country's leadership adequately assesses the situation.
  10. qwert111
    qwert111 13 June 2016 08: 13
    +10
    [quote = eleronn] "Why, if statistics is to be believed, are Russians again worried about international tensions more than declining living standards?" Don't believe the statistics! It is the decline in living standards that worries people in the country and (this decline) is already difficult to explain by the intrigues of external enemies!

    And who told you that we do not care about the standard of living? He excites all normal people. But most of all I care about, no matter how 1941 was repeated. I care about the memory of my mother’s stories, how the Nazis raped my grandmother near Smolensk when she was still a young girl, I care about the memory of my grandfather, whose whole body was scarred because he was a young guy burning in a tank. I care about the future of my granddaughters. And believe me, all this means much more to me than the standard of living.
  11. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 13 June 2016 08: 15
    +9
    Why are Americans more afraid of exalted Kim Jong-un, although this is not North Korean, and Russian missiles are guaranteed to reach the United States, and in large numbers?

    Neither we nor the DPRK ask us either to be afraid or to love, we insist that our brains do not climb and touch our bodies. Remove the paws, forget that we are and you will be happy.
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 13 June 2016 08: 24
      +1
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Why are Americans more afraid of exalted Kim Jong-un

      Because Kim is a macaque with a grenade, recently with a vigorous grenade. And scary, not even a grenade, but a macaque with it.
      1. AID.S
        AID.S 13 June 2016 15: 44
        +1
        Quote: Nagan
        Because Kim is a macaque

        Well, that’s the most true argument. It’s not even untrue. By the way, they say a lot about the same Nobel. As for me, it's more similar ..
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 13 June 2016 20: 14
          0
          Of these two macaques, I still prefer to deal with a Nobel laureate, although no one can suspect me of particularly warm feelings for him. Kim, unlike him, does not have any qualifications to occupy his position, just that he is the grandson of Kim Sr. and the son of Kim Sredny. And so - a chubby infantile, who has no reason to grow up. To give power to such a person is like a macaque a military grenade or, as in that famous video clip, an AKM removed from a fuse.
          1. Parsec
            Parsec 13 June 2016 20: 22
            +2
            Quote: Nagan
            Kim, unlike him, does not have any qualifications to occupy his position, he is just the grandson of Kim the eldest and the son of Kim the middle


            Of course, the younger Kim graduated from just two universities.

            Whether the case is a Nobel laureate - a lawyer in the field of civil law ...
          2. AID.S
            AID.S 15 June 2016 01: 45
            +1
            Quote: Nagan
            Of these two macaques, I still prefer to deal with a Nobel laureate

            Gaddafi would provide such a choice ... Well, or Saddam.
  12. Yak28
    Yak28 13 June 2016 08: 16
    +14
    I think after the collapse of the USSR it became clear to everyone that everything that the communists said about capitalism turned out to be true, and that the West hates Russia only because of the communist ideology, it turned out to be a lie. That everything would be normal, we need to arm ourselves, but for this we need factories, workers places and people. To have enough money for everything, and healthy men to go to work not as security guards and speculators, but qualified mechanics, turners, and so on, you need to change ugly capitalism for something else. Russia has a huge territory with a small population people and many characters in the west believe that this is not fair, hence the dislike of Russia.
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 13 June 2016 08: 19
      +5
      Quote: Yak28
      I think after the collapse of the USSR it became clear to everyone that everything that the communists said about capitalism turned out to be true, and that the West hates Russia only because of the communist ideology, it turned out to be a lie. That everything would be normal, we need to arm ourselves, but for this we need factories, workers places and people. To have enough money for everything, and healthy men to go to work not as security guards and speculators, but qualified mechanics, turners, and so on, you need to change ugly capitalism for something else. Russia has a huge territory with a small population people and many characters in the west believe that this is not fair, hence the dislike of Russia.

      Great comment .... I agree with you and my plus to you (bold)! hi
    2. kalibr
      kalibr 13 June 2016 08: 53
      -4
      Quote: Yak28
      so that healthy men would go to work not as security guards and speculators, but as qualified mechanics, turners, and so on, we must change the ugly capitalism to something else.

      Or maybe enough change already? Could it be easier to raise your salary? How did Ford do the same in the 1929 crisis of the year?
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 13 June 2016 10: 55
        +1
        And what would increase salaries need changes wink
        1. EvgNik
          EvgNik 13 June 2016 16: 42
          +1
          Quote: Yak28
          And what would increase salaries need changes

          In the sense of a revolution?
      2. faridg7
        faridg7 13 June 2016 13: 17
        +1
        Quote: kalibr
        Quote: Yak28
        so that healthy men would go to work not as security guards and speculators, but as qualified mechanics, turners, and so on, we must change the ugly capitalism to something else.

        Or maybe enough change already? Could it be easier to raise your salary? How did Ford do the same in the 1929 crisis of the year?

        Ford I know one young man, and so he hates Ford so that, according to him, he would see, he would suffocate despite the guard and decency. The guy works on the assembly line (it is for his invention that he hates Ford)
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 13: 26
          +3
          Quote: faridg7
          Ford I know one young man, and so he hates Ford so that, according to him, he would see, he would suffocate despite the guard and decency. The guy works on the assembly line (it is for his invention that he hates Ford)

          I completely agree with this guy, and I can tell the rest, try to stand for at least a week on the conveyor. Howl with a wolf.
        2. kalibr
          kalibr 13 June 2016 14: 34
          -1
          But this guy had no choice, where to work?
  13. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 13 June 2016 08: 21
    +5
    Our defeat on the ideological front also contributed to the collapse of the USSR. The lesson is bitter, but the conclusions are correct, judging by this "screeching" of the Western media.
    Perhaps the Russia Today (RT) television channel, which broadcasts to a foreign audience, does work really well and is not for nothing called the Kremlin’s mouthpiece, but compared to information and financial opportunities, for example, only CNN is an arithmetic error, and compared to the whole American RT media empires are completely invisible.
    And the American media empire can be reminded of the saying: "Lies walk on feet of clay." And given our bitter experience, we will "outplay" you now, no matter how much money they throw at you. Power is in the truth!
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 13 June 2016 08: 50
      +3
      CNN is targeted and works for people who call themselves Americans who do not know and have not experienced real trouble and hard times. These people do not know the sense of national unity (apart from idolatry to the dollar) and general cohesion. And therefore their "patterns" do not fit us, do not work! When we fought, you danced. You were not bombed or burned, you are not ... Yes, much that has passed you, Americans. And you give us your CNN, for the calculated one. Pride, arrogance, narcissism and delusion about your exclusivity will ruin you.
      1. kalibr
        kalibr 13 June 2016 21: 29
        +1
        You know that everything you wrote about is EVERYTHING, Hitler once said. Three professors of sociology were sent - to France, to England, and to the United States in order to find out the psychological readiness of their population for a new war. The fact is that at that time the West was fond of Arthur Poinsonby's book, and Hitler apparently heard something about it, and under the guise of "victims of the regime" these people were sent to find out whether the aforementioned countries were ready to fight. In France, it turned out that she was not morally ready to fight and would be an easy victim. It takes a long time to explain that Hitler's emissary dug up there, but dug up and Hitler liked it. Hitler's emissary to England returned with disappointing news. The British will defend their island to the last drop of their blood. But in the USA, the sociologist could not understand for a long time what would happen ... Then he watched American football and realized that the Germans' opinion about Americans was not correct. That they cannot be presented as decomposed mercantilists, that the spirit of the pioneers is alive. Hitler did not like his report! By the way, they didn't even send anyone to Russia - "Colossus on feet of clay"! All three mistakes cost Hitler dearly and were included in all PRology textbooks. And I cannot say for sure whether everything that you write is true. I dont know! This must be investigated and investigated well. Hitler has already pierced this one. You cannot underestimate the enemy. It must be studied.
  14. Basil50
    Basil50 13 June 2016 09: 27
    +3
    Let the author be offended, but distort and as they say: * from a sore head to a healthy one *, he does not paint. Classic half-lie pattern.
    It is the United States that created the plan of attack on the SOVIET UNION and is constantly updating it, it is the United States constantly sculpting the image of the enemy from RUSSIAN people, and today all of a sudden, for no reason in RUSSIA they do not want to believe outright lies and see the enemy as an outright enemy. The author, ay, do you sometimes read what they write in America about RUSSIA and about RUSSIANs. If you can’t read it, they are not embarrassed to identify enemies aloud and RUSSIA and RUSSIAN people are always in the first place there, and * the first * US officials are not embarrassed to make such statements. It is logical that faces change and statements continue.
    And about the cartoons, I had to see, and today they appear in the USA about RUSSIA, only the quality does not reach KUKRINIKS *, sometimes it’s so primitive that without a signature it’s not possible to realize what actually is.
    1. SokolfromRussia
      SokolfromRussia 14 June 2016 11: 52
      -1
      Yes, and the Russian Federation while investing billions in the state. bad bonds usa ...
  15. anfil
    anfil 13 June 2016 10: 26
    +1
    ... elected under the multilingual index “G”


    If in the English transcription G is (ji), but if in German it is - (G) threshing floor ... Let this threshing floor remain as part of the godfather + its six.
  16. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 13 June 2016 10: 39
    +2
    Russia needs to rely only on its army and endurance. Of course, prepare for everything. But at the same time defend its nat interests. It was just a frozen conflict and now it has crawled out into a confrontation that was not inevitable anyway. If Europe does not understand that it on the edge of the abyss, he will allow provocation, they will smile only across the ocean. There is a feeling that the world is heading for disaster and it’s hard to imagine what the West could be prudent. I do not want to think that cutting off the head.
  17. iouris
    iouris 13 June 2016 11: 00
    +2
    Horses mixed in a bunch, people.
    "Russia", "West" - who is this? (In the sense: "Addresses, passwords, attendance?" - as the famous character said).
    Everything is simple. Everyone wants to live, because living is good. A good life is even better.
    You can live well only at the expense of someone. These are someone we are.
    Only our “elite” and “golden billion” can live at the expense of “someone”.
    In short, another "Yaroslavna's cry".
  18. Yak28
    Yak28 13 June 2016 11: 17
    +2
    Quote: Vasily50
    So there RUSSIA and RUSSIAN people do not hesitate to identify enemies aloud there always in the first place, and * the first * persons of the USA do not hesitate to make such statements. It is logical that faces change and statements continue.

    But this is a big mistake of American politicians, thanks to their negative statements towards Russia and Russians, they force Russia to arm itself and perceive the West as an enemy. In the 90s, the United States pursued a more competent policy, they supposedly were friends with Russia, did not declare Russia an enemy, but slowly but surely did their job on the collapse of the Russian Federation. Yes, ours with a smile at their mouths and powdered brains actively disarmed undermining the country's defenses, and didn’t poke their nose where the Americans ruled. In the mid-2000s, the United States took off masks thinking that Russia would never get out of position lying, however, we are already squatting, and sometimes we jump to the full height. laughing Americans hastened from sworn friends to turn into enemies, and as they say hurry people to make fun wink
  19. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 13 June 2016 12: 22
    -6
    I think the story will repeat like this:
    China will attack Russia, capture immediately (and inevitably) the Far East
    and Siberia. And America will open another Lend-Lease for Russia - military products, strategic raw materials, food will flow.
    The Soviet army in heavy battles will gradually liberate the occupied territories.
    There will again be a brief period of friendship with the United States. And then America will once again be declared a mercenary imperialist and quarrel with it.
    Until the next Lend-Lease. smile
    1. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 12: 42
      +2
      Quote: voyaka uh
      China will attack Russia, capture immediately (and inevitably) the Far East
      and Siberia.

      The biggest stupidity is to consider the Chinese as stupid. The Chinese are very smart that they can’t fight against Russia, but for stupid sheep in the west it doesn’t work.
      I’ll give you a plus for science fiction. Such could write more blind than sighted.
    2. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 13 June 2016 13: 10
      +2
      Want a terrible secret? China will NEVER attack Russia. Since he did not win a single war that he began in the 19th century. He simply does not know how to win them. Even in Vietnam, the collision did not work. Therefore, it is possible to dream that China will seize Russia (or part of it), but you should not count on it. But whether China will survive the strike of the strategic nuclear forces on its territory is not sure. Rather sure of the opposite. There is only a dam in the Three Gorges which is worth it. If it gets on it, according to Chinese estimates, it will wash off 150 million people. An attack on Russia is the shortest path to China's suicide. And the Chinese are no worse than some.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 13 June 2016 13: 56
        +1
        "And the Chinese are no worse than some" ////

        The Chinese are not stupid at all. And not suicides at all.
        And President Putin, too.
        Therefore, China at the beginning of the conflict will send Russia a secret note,
        something like: "we must limit our conflict to conventional
        weapons. because if you are the first to use nuclear weapons, then we will
        forced to put on the city of Moscow our entire strategic nuclear
        potential. Let's do without it "
        What will the experienced judoka and survival master Putin answer to this?
        He will most likely quietly call overseas and say: "Whoever remembers the old, is out of the question. Guys, help me out."
        Remember that between India and Pakistan - the two nuclear powers -
        large-scale wars with conventional weapons were already in full swing.
        1. Parsec
          Parsec 13 June 2016 14: 54
          0
          ... of a cosmic scale and cosmic stupidity. "(c)

          Have you Ukrainians recently bitten?
        2. Parsec
          Parsec 13 June 2016 15: 02
          0
          Quote: voyaka uh
          between India and Pakistan - two nuclear powers -
          large-scale wars with conventional weapons were already in full swing.


          The last Indo-Pakistani war of 1971.

          The first test of nuclear weapons by India - 1974
          The first test of nuclear weapons by Pakistan - 1988.

          The test is not yet the presence of nuclear weapons on alert.

          Why are you past every time ...
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          2. voyaka uh
            voyaka uh 13 June 2016 16: 16
            0
            "Why are you passing by every time ..." ////

            "In May 1999, tensions began to rise in Kashmir, unprecedented since 1971. Up to a thousand militants infiltrated from Pakistan broke the Line of Control in five sectors.
            Discarding the small garrisons of the Indian frontier posts, they strengthened themselves on the Indian side, taking control of a number of tactically important heights. Pakistani artillery covered the militants
            fired through the control line. Thus began the Kargil war. This conflict ended in victory for the Indians, since by the end of July 1999 they managed to recapture almost all the territories
            captured by the militants in the early days of the fighting. "

            "In May 2002, the situation in Kashmir escalated again. India and Pakistan were closer to war than ever after the Kargil conflict. Three-quarters of India's ground forces and
            almost all of Pakistan's ground forces were pulled up to the border "
            1. Parsec
              Parsec 13 June 2016 17: 01
              0
              We draw, we draw a line between the conflicts that have taken place and the failed war.
        3. Paranoid50
          Paranoid50 13 June 2016 16: 04
          +2
          The picture of the Hezbollah troops parade in Tel Aviv looks much more realistic. yes wink
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      3. egor73
        egor73 13 June 2016 15: 09
        0
        The Chinese have made a big leap forward and it is not necessary to assess their capabilities in conflicts of 50 years ago. In terms of military potential, China is approaching the United States. The fact that they did not win in wars does not mean anything. Already half of Africa under them, which he crushed without weapons, I use only the policy of soft power.
    3. kalibr
      kalibr 13 June 2016 14: 32
      0
      By the way, the United States has actually developed a plan for the third world war against China. And it is called "The War for Neodymium", it is such a much needed REM, 90% of the world's reserves belong to China. This is what is worth fighting for.
    4. EvgNik
      EvgNik 13 June 2016 16: 45
      +1
      Alexey, it’s unlikely. I do not think such a scenario is possible. Although my plus.
  20. Yak28
    Yak28 13 June 2016 14: 27
    0
    Quote: voyaka uh
    if you are the first to use nuclear weapons, then we will
    forced to put on the city of Moscow our entire strategic nuclear
    potential. Let's do without it "

    Firstly, Moscow is simply a city that is far from the center of Russia, but rather on the outskirts, close to the most likely enemy. Moscow was bombed more than once, burned, and nothing bad happened. Secondly, Russia’s territory is not Israel’s time to capture it, and it’s even more difficult to control it. Thirdly, China’s armaments are outdated by missile launchers, and an insignificant amount of nuclear weapons is also significant inferior in power to the Russian one. China will sit quietly and not jerk, and China can attack Russia only together with NATO and then if it doesn’t put it in its pants. knees did not set. wink
    1. cumastra1
      cumastra1 14 June 2016 14: 57
      0
      The warrior is a dreamer. Moreover, when we learn about the poisoning of Russia and China, America will be happy with the capital letter n. And More Warriors - the army is not Soviet, but Russian.
  21. eleronn
    eleronn 13 June 2016 16: 36
    +3
    I repeat once again: the state cannot be strong with a poor population! An interesting policy turns out - the bulk of the population pays for the power of the state, but "bend" the fat oligarchy, this very state, does not want to! Maybe the belts should be tightened by ALL citizens of the country? Or are they robbing those who are easier to rob?
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 13 June 2016 19: 34
      0
      Of course, only hard workers are robbed, you shake a penny from rich figs. This is what Putin must figure out when he is elected for the next term, otherwise the region
  22. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 13 June 2016 17: 25
    +2
    There are no reforms and it seems that no one is foreseen. The elite is not being reformed and does not change. The rich get richer, the poor get poorer. And how do you like this point of view?
    .. "Reforms are not coming. But the longer the country lives without reforms, the more it will have to change later, and in a very short time.
    ➡ Source: http://publizist.ru/blogs/107563/13111/-
    What is left of Russia today, except for raw materials? By and large - cosmonautics, nuclear energy and weapons. But this alone will not be full. And most importantly - astronautics and nuclear energy cannot develop without related industries: automation, computer technology, instrument making, tool manufacturing. And these industries are rapidly degrading, many are almost lost. Even those new missiles, weapons, and nuclear reactors that are manufactured today are usually not new developments, but modifications of Soviet projects.
    What will happen when Soviet developments exhaust and finally die related industries?
    What happens if our "partners" stop supplying us with the necessary components - electronics, communications equipment, computers, etc.?
    We don’t even provide ourselves with threads and fabric today, because most textile mills are closed, we don’t have our own equipment, and imported equipment is too expensive and it is unprofitable to buy it under the current economic model.
    What will happen if, for one reason or another, China joins sanctions against Russia? Or is the whole strategy of Russia's economic security based on the fact that China will definitely not let us down? And where are the guarantees? Who can guarantee that when faced with the need to choose between the US market (400 million people with incomes of more than 2 thousand dollars a month) and Russia (150 million people with an average income of about 500 dollars a month), China will choose Russia? .. .
    ➡ Source: http://publizist.ru/blogs/107563/13111/-
    1. tracer
      tracer 13 June 2016 18: 10
      +2
      You are right, but partially. The number one task of the government of Russia was to prevent the collapse of the state at any cost. I emphasize at ANY price. In my opinion, we managed to do this. Now, having defended independence and sovereignty with borders, we can take up the economy. Pardonte, but at the same time such global tasks cannot be solved in principle. Let me remind you that it was the oligarchs who were forced to pay for the rearmament of the army. I suspect that they clearly did not share the patriotic sentiments on this matter. The second stage of economic and social political transformation of society begins, towards an even greater strengthening of economic and political power. THE EXAMPLE OF AMERICA IS NOT ACCEPTABLE for comparing economic development opportunities. Let me remind you that printing a dollar ... well, you know. And the possibility of sovereign emission of money in Russia is not yet available. Therefore, no rapid economic growth will appear without this opportunity. And you ... here in America ... here's the income ... but we are not paid extra ... I advise you to read "Why is Russia not America?" Very informative.
  23. Chak
    Chak 13 June 2016 19: 03
    +2
    Is rake walking a national Teutonic sport?
  24. Olegater
    Olegater 13 June 2016 20: 29
    +2
    Dear forum users ALL comments are good, but there is one main question - WHEN and WHAT will all this whistle start from? I would like to be a little ready.
    1. Yak28
      Yak28 13 June 2016 21: 34
      0
      If suddenly the United States, or China, or Russia, or someone else who can guarantee themselves to be protected from a nuclear attack, or invents a new type of weapon, such as climatic weapons, or that can destroy all enemy military satellites, and so on, then a war may well happen
  25. Anton Valerevich
    Anton Valerevich 13 June 2016 21: 06
    +3
    The population density of Russia is 8,56 people / km², the population density of the Earth is 52 people / km², in particular the US population is 32 people / km², the European Union is 115,8 people / km², and a layered missile defense near the western borders of Russia is being built to protect Europe from Iran and North Korea. Does anyone else believe in these tales about the fact that all this is not against Russia, that this is not preparation for war ?!
  26. eleronn
    eleronn 13 June 2016 21: 52
    +1
    Funny ... Pakistan Army, Indian Army the most powerful armed forces ??? Do not tell my slippers!
  27. cumastra1
    cumastra1 14 June 2016 14: 52
    +1
    But the truth is, the state is very similar to the year 1939. They don’t hear, they don’t want to listen, but if they heard, they either perverted or did not notice. And if we compare Crimea to Poland, then the situevina is generally complicated. Togo and look out of breath.
  28. kukan913
    kukan913 14 June 2016 15: 07
    +1
    The main blow will be, as then, on large cities and military facilities, but where ?, on the shortest way to the capital of our country, do not go to your grandmother. The story repeats, you need to squeeze the rolls and prepare .....