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Helicopter maze



The past IX international exhibition of the helicopter industry HeliRussia 2016 has become a landmark event not only for the domestic helicopter industry. Russian experts, paraphrasing a well-known proverb, say: "They feed the year for three days of the exhibition." Many events held at HeliRussia become a kind of a “road map”, which identifies development directions and a number of nuances that are important for the global helicopter industry.

SANCTIONS OF POPULATION


2016 companies took part in HeliRussia 219, among them 45 foreign from 16 countries, including Great Britain, Germany, Italy, Canada, USA and France, although their governments imposed sanctions on Russia. The exhibition was attended by almost all the major foreign global helicopter industry brands: Airbus Helicopters, Bell Helicopter, Leonardo Helicopters (formerly AgustaWestland), Robinson Helicopter, Safran Helicopter Engines (formerly Turbomeca).

According to experts, in the 2015 year, the global supply of foreign-made civilian helicopters fell by 4,4%. Against this background, the prospects for foreign helicopter companies in Russia look very optimistic.

For example, Robinson Helicopter and Airbus Helicopters have already sold almost 500 machines to Russia. In addition, there are several dozen Bell and Leonardo Helicopters helicopters operating in our country.

Foreign companies make full use of any opportunity to expand and strengthen their positions in the Russian market. Not so long ago, they got a new access to it, provided by JSC Ural Civil Plant aviation"(UZGA). The plant concluded a number of contracts on the local assembly of foreign-made helicopters.

The main attraction of such a deal for a foreign manufacturer is that imported ready-made helicopters are subject to import duty at 15,7%, and when importing sets for screwdriver assembly, the entire 3 – 5% duty.

In 2015, the assembly of Bell-407GXP began at UZGA, and a contract was also being implemented to localize the production (the so-called screwdriver assembly) of the Bell-505 lightweight single-engine gas turbine helicopter.

The first two Bell-407GXP delivered to the Omsk Flight Technical College of Civil Aviation. A.V. Lyapidevsky (branch of FSBEI HPE Ulyanovsk Higher Aviation School of Civil Aviation). This will make it possible to prepare aviation personnel and make the operation of Bell helicopters more attractive for Russian consumers.

UZGA entered into an agreement with the Airbus Helicopters on the licensed assembly of light twin-engine H135 helicopters (former designation - EC135 T3 / P3). The first batch of four cars is scheduled for release in 2017 year. In total, in the next 10 years at the plant it is planned to assemble about 160 helicopters H135.

The global goal of the Russian helicopter industry is to occupy the 20% of the market by the year 2020. Therefore, at first glance, a paradoxical situation has developed: UZGA JSC creates favorable conditions for competitors of Russian Helicopters JSC. This is despite the fact that the holding itself is promoting Leonardo Helicopters helicopters to the domestic market. The whole piquancy of the situation is that both firms are part of the state corporation Oboronprom and are aimed at the development of domestic helicopter building.

WORD AND DEED


A few years ago, the management of the Russian Helicopters holding holding a large number of media representatives annually on the first day of the HeliRussia exhibition in one of the conference halls talked about their plans. As from a horn of plenty, the figures of planned output volumes were falling, profits, and projectors about the future model range were voiced.

Now such an event is held on the eve of the exhibition without a special pump, and the press service of the holding does not even bother to provide background information and statistics for the past period on the activities of Russian Helicopters.

It is understandable, there are no special achievements, and the declared plan has not been fully implemented. In such a situation, silence is gold. For example, the project of the light helicopter Mi-34 was in the role of prima at several exhibitions HeliRussia and presented as the main competitor of the Robinson helicopters. It was stated that, according to preliminary estimates of the holding, by 2016, the production volume of Mi-34 helicopters with gas turbine and piston engines should be 400 units.

Currently, the management of the holding, speaking of the suspension of the project, assures that there is no demand for a model of this class. And hundreds of cars sold on the Russian market by the Robinson Helicopter firm testify to the opposite.

Another failed project is a promising high-speed helicopter (PSV). For several years he was the core of the advertising holding. For the first time, the PSV program was sketched at the HeliRussia 2008 exhibition. Subsequently, not only the leaders of the holding company “Helicopters of Russia”, “Oboronprom”, but also the head of the Ministry of Industry and Trade Denis Manturov liked to comment on him. At HeliRussia 2012, he stated that by the 2016, the first prototype should be built for certification tests, and with the 2018, it is planned to begin production of the helicopter. To date, the project, to put it mildly, has been reformatted, but for the average person they have left the abbreviation PSV.

On the eve of the exhibition HeliRussia 2016 at a meeting with journalists, Deputy General Director of JSC "Helicopters of Russia" for the production and innovation Andrei Shibitov did not answer the question of how much money was spent on the PSV project, and according to available data, at least several billion rubles were spent in total. No explanation was given as to why there is not even the promised new engine for this car. VK-3000, previously declared, was transformed into VK-2500М, the type certificate for which is planned to be received in 2020 year.

At the same time, the deputy general director of the holding was full of optimism, speaking about the prospects of the PSV flying laboratory, which de facto represents a demilitarized modification of the Mi-24, very far from the previously declared image.

“As you understand, one should always speak very carefully about research and development. Nevertheless, we hope that at the first stage, the speed will be 400 – 450 km / h, and then (continue - Y.A.) until reaching 500 km / h, ”said Andrei Shibitov, without explaining how long Financing will last the first stage of the reformatted project.

However, at present Russian Helicopters have two successful projects, Ansat and Ka-226, which, according to experts, can close the whole niche of light multipurpose helicopters in Russia without damage to each other.

Here are just not without a spoon of tar in a barrel of honey. They are inferior to helicopter foreign cars, at least according to the criterion of cost – efficiency.

During the exhibition, a set of measures to advance the purchases of Ansat or Ka-226 by Russian companies was discussed, which will make the machines more attractive financially.

In addition, a very acute problem on the agenda is common to the entire domestic aircraft industry. As part of the business program of the exhibition, a round table discussion entitled “Counterfeit in supplies: is it possible to eliminate the demand for counterfeit products in the helicopter industry?”. He demonstrated a high interest on the part of helicopter operator companies in solving the problem of counterfeit availability on the market (fakes) and in the legislative work conducted by the state authorities of the country on this issue.

The scale of the problem is indicated by the facts. Since 2001, the State Research Institute of Civil Aviation has tested more than 62 thousands of aircraft components, and 5025 forged have been identified, including aircraft engines, rotor blades, tail rotors, etc. Only for 2014 a year and only on Mi-8 helicopters more than 400 fake, questionable components were revealed.

At the same time, this regrettable statistics shows that the full-fledged after-sales support of aviation equipment declared by the holding company “Helicopters of Russia” is at least a fiction. Otherwise, the company would not rely on the adoption of measures by the state in solving this problem, but would itself establish a full-fledged control over the condition of the machines and their components.

Experts express bewilderment about the fact that today, in the digital age, the control system is not implemented, which fully operated in the Soviet Union on the basis of paper-based documentation.

Another example of inadequate attitudes towards operators from the holding company “Helicopters of Russia” was shown at the round table on the topic “Experience of Sanitary Aviation in the Regions of the Russian Federation” held as part of the IV Interdepartmental Scientific and Practical Conference “Sanitary Aviation and Medical Evacuation - 2016” .

The representative of Kazan Aggregate Plant LLC (formerly Vystok LLC), who made a presentation entitled “Medical Modules for Russian Aircraft”, was asked when the plant would make at least a model of a medical module that would allow medical staff on the Ansat helicopter to carry out resuscitation missions activity.

The answer was discouraging. It takes several years to create a new module. Most of the time is spent on coordination with the developer of the helicopter and paperwork in various instances. Any change is accompanied by additional tests and changes in the registration certificate of the product. The specialists of the Kazan company fully understand the medical profession, but in this case there is no customer and a helicopter that would be the basis for the design work.

It turns out that the holding is promoting a car to the market in a configuration that does not meet all the requirements of those who will operate it directly. With such an attitude to the client, the statistics on the use of helicopters for medical flights are unlikely to change in favor of Russian cars.

As of the end of 2015 of the year, more than 2 thousand helicopters are involved in medical services around the world, 58% of the machines are of them - Airbus Helicopters, Bell Helicopter - 20%, Leonardo Helicopters - 14%, by 3% Sikorsky Aircraft and MDHI, but the share of Russian helicopters is only 2%.

At least on HeliRussia, a H135 helicopter in medical-evacuation version was popular with a certain circle of specialists. According to their estimates, it is more likely to perform medical activities in flight.

HELICOPTER HEART


During the exhibition, the French company Safran Helicopter Engines signed a memorandum of understanding with UZGA on the localization of production in Russia of gas turbine engines Arrius 2R. It is planned to explore the capabilities of the Russian assembly of French engines. The final decision on the project is expected before the end of 2016.

At the same time, the possibility of localization on the UZGA assembly of the Arrius 2B2Plus modification used on the H135 helicopter is also being considered.

Currently, the Ka-226T helicopter is already operated by the Arrius 2G1 engine, and the Ardiden 3G engine has been approved by the French authorities for use on the new Ka-62 Russian helicopter.

Why such attention to foreign engines? Because for several decades, domestic developers can only boast of promises about helicopter engines.

After the team of Yuri Lastochkina left NPO Saturn, it was not even a question of creating an engine for light helicopters. Figuratively speaking, on the design shelves of the company are not implemented in the helicopter theme RD-600В and AL-55.

Klimov has been very successful at exhibiting bright, colorful programs performed by women's dance groups, but with a demonstration of the practical results of helicopter engines, things are not so beautiful.

For example, the VK-800 engine is known to visitors of aviation exhibitions by advertising leaflets and mock-ups, but no more. Therefore, the statement of Technodinamika holding at the HeliRussia 2016 exhibition about the start of work on the TD-701 family of light-duty engines for light helicopters was perceived by experts as a statement of the incompetence of AO Klimov on this topic.

The new project is being carried out as part of the import substitution program, designed for four years, during which it is planned to create 12 engines (5 - for flight tests). "Technodinamika" has already agreed to the terms of reference for the development work on the development of engines. Currently, the outline design stage has begun.

“We have high competencies in the development of power plants and are ready to enter this market, while today we see the need for such engines on the market. Many consumers of aircraft technicians note that foreign analogues do not allow helicopters to operate under a number of conditions, so our main competitive advantage will be price and advanced application options, - said the head of Technodynamics Maxim Kuzyuk. “At the same time, today we have a ready base for the rapid implementation of this engine due to the accumulated experience of the development team and the established cooperation in production and testing at the existing Hydraulics base and UEC enterprises. There will also be attracted test base CIAM them. Baranova. According to him, all these factors allow us to count on the accelerated launch of new engines on the market.
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  1. dr.star75
    dr.star75 12 June 2016 16: 47
    +5
    "The firm" Klimov "very successfully demonstrates at exhibitions bright, colorful programs performed by female dance groups, but with the demonstration of the practical results of helicopter engines, things are not so beautiful." - exactly.
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 12 June 2016 16: 55
      +10
      Quote: dr.star75
      "The firm" Klimov "very successfully demonstrates at the exhibitions bright, colorful programs performed by female dance groups

      The main thing is that women will turn their asses, and whether the turbine rotor will spin, this is the tenth matter.
      1. bastard
        bastard 12 June 2016 17: 42
        +12
        Quote: Amurets
        The main thing is that women will turn their asses, and whether the turbine rotor will spin, this is the tenth matter.

        And they don’t need it. Quote from the article:
        "Many events held at HeliRussia are becoming a kind of"roadmap""
        That's when it appears work plan (or events), coupled with the personal responsibility of specific individuals, then the rotors will spin and everything else. PiYou have to beat. Fiercely. But while Medvedev likes the iPhone, and Putin likes the Mercedes. ... ...
        In the meantime: a roadmap (Eng. Roadmap), merchandising (Eng. Merchandising - part of the marketing process that defines the methodology for selling goods in a store), creativity (creativity), consulting, marketing, franchising and other crap that allows you to simulate a stormy activity and seem wise. Well, they do not want to work! They WANT to live to the fullest.
        1. Vasiliy16
          Vasiliy16 12 June 2016 20: 52
          +4
          Quote: villain
          Quote: Amurets
          The main thing is that women will turn their asses, and whether the turbine rotor will spin, this is the tenth matter.

          And they don’t need it. Quote from the article:
          "Many events held at HeliRussia are becoming a kind of"roadmap""
          That's when it appears work plan (or events), coupled with the personal responsibility of specific individuals, then the rotors will spin and everything else. PiYou have to beat. Fiercely. But while Medvedev likes the iPhone, and Putin likes the Mercedes. ... ...
          In the meantime: a roadmap (Eng. Roadmap), merchandising (Eng. Merchandising - part of the marketing process that defines the methodology for selling goods in a store), creativity (creativity), consulting, marketing, franchising and other crap that allows you to simulate a stormy activity and seem wise. Well, they do not want to work! They WANT to live to the fullest.

          the worst thing is that there is no end to this.
          2016 - the BUCKET or ONF (modernized BUCKET) will be elected to the Duma again
          2018 - Putin again.
          And again, the five-year talk of nothing and the further squandering of the country.
        2. Skif83
          Skif83 13 June 2016 08: 18
          +2
          Will such a plan ever appear?
          By 2016, the production volume of Mi-34 helicopters with gas turbine and piston engines should be 400 units.
          Currently, the management of the holding, speaking of the suspension of the project, assures that there is no demand for a model of this class. And hundreds of cars sold on the Russian market by the Robinson Helicopter firm testify to the opposite.
          .
          Sound familiar?
          And if you consider that one of the directors was the "unforgettable" Serdyukov? Remember how this leader smashed the army?
          Remember his contracts with "Mistrals", inflatable tanks, the purchase of equipment and weapons from potential opponents, etc. If the leadership of Russian Helicopters is akin in spirit to Serdyukov, turn off the lights ...
          All this resembles the situation before the Second World War, when there was fierce competition among the design bureaus, when the country needed three or four types of aircraft, two types of tanks, etc., and a bunch of non-necessary projectors, such as Tukhachevsky's flying tanks, were issued. The country was supposed to focus on the production of the necessary and sufficient types of military equipment in rather difficult economic conditions, and the funds were spent on "projects."
          No one belittles the merits of our designers, but someone must lead them with an iron hand!
          And how, by and large, is the current situation different from the 40s of the last century?
          Preparations for the next "crusade" against Russia are in full swing, and you need to understand that the West, first of all, the United States needs this war like air.
          Will we be able to prepare? With such leaders as Serdyukov - oooh very doubtful!
          1. Vasiliy16
            Vasiliy16 18 June 2016 01: 53
            0
            Quote: Skif83
            And how, by and large, is the current situation different from the 40s of the last century?

            Then Stalin was at the head, and now Putin.
      2. Vladimir 1964
        Vladimir 1964 12 June 2016 21: 02
        +1
        Quote: Amurets
        The main thing is that women will turn their asses, and whether the turbine rotor will spin, this is the tenth matter.

        Thanks Nikolai, they lifted our spirits. Although of course the question is really serious. yes
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 12 June 2016 17: 18
      +15
      the author of the article was ashamed to say directly and in plain text that the "Russian Helicopters" are led by the ever-memorable Serdyukov. With his arrival, a new reorganization takes place with the sale of assets to foreigners. Therefore, the silence about contracts and presentations is silent, you never know - how will the new broom be thrown?
      1. avia1991
        avia1991 12 June 2016 21: 53
        +4
        Quote: NDR-791
        "Helicopters of Russia" is led by the ever-memorable Serdyukov.

        Does not lead.
        According to the hierarchy there, he is a "member of the Board of Directors" .. however, it is quite obvious that this does not prevent him from "sharing experience" with new colleagues on the successful sawing of budgets, and the collapse of production! wassat
        1. jPilot
          jPilot 13 June 2016 04: 03
          +1
          No, well, it's not fair crying MY koment intercepted wink
          And if it's no joke, then the situation is depressingly discouraging (wrapped up). Especially if money is allocated for development and not small ones. And the development, as it was, and no. Ansat and Ka-226, these machines are not new developments, it is already clear even from their appearance, not to mention the fact that they were not created using composite materials AT ALL, in contrast to "imported" analogs with similar characteristics.
          Well, yes, while the board of directors includes people like Serdyukov, our helicopter aviation does not expect anything new.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 04: 08
            +3
            Quote: jPilot
            Well, yes, while the board of directors includes people like Serdyukov, our helicopter aviation does not expect anything new.

            Do not lie! We pass from Macrosoft to Lunix.
            1. avia1991
              avia1991 13 June 2016 07: 58
              +1
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Do not lie! We pass from Macrosoft to Lunix.

              Yeah .. simply put, "shed"! laughing
              The problem is that
              "..you, gaspada, no matter how you sit down -
              all are not good musicians! "
              (this is Krylov, if that wink )
          2. avia1991
            avia1991 13 June 2016 08: 01
            0
            Quote: jPilot
            No, well, it's not fair. My koment intercepted

            I’m sorry! belay Without a "second thought! ..
            lol hi
    3. Denis Obukhov
      Denis Obukhov 12 June 2016 17: 55
      +2
      The engine is the main thing, but the general policy of strangling the domestic helicopter industry will not save even the best engine. It looks like the laurels of Poghosyan, who has finished aviation, do not give Chemezov peace. Unlike planes with helicopters, until recently, everything was not so bad when thieves raking their paws did not reach them. Looks like Roskomos is not enough.
    4. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 12 June 2016 19: 51
      0
      Why the hell generally let these foreigners here .....
    5. The comment was deleted.
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 12 June 2016 20: 26
      +2
      It so happened that 1 rub. for the invention, 10 for the embodiment in metal, and 100 for the ability to sell. Business, and nothing else. hi
  2. megafair
    megafair 12 June 2016 16: 51
    +4
    Let's remember the story, the USA lured Igor Ivanovich Sikorsky to it, on this rose ...

    Who are going to lure further? Who will go to them?

    Call me GREAT AMERICAN inventors who were born in the USA!

    Come on, break your head!

    All inventions that the United States "owns" are made by natives of other countries!

    Yes, pind0s are able to "steal brains" - but you need to understand that - the situation is changing ...;)

    Against this background, I want to wish success to our aircraft designers!
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 12 June 2016 17: 01
      +4
      Quote: megafair
      Call me GREAT AMERICAN inventors who were born in the USA!

      Come on, break your head!

      Here's another, Newton’s bin (s)

      - Wright brothers, for example ...
      - Robert Fulton, for example ...

      Quote: megafair
      All inventions that the United States "owns" are made by natives of other countries!

      - exceptionally strong statement belay
      1. megafair
        megafair 12 June 2016 17: 11
        +7
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Wright brothers for example

        Hehe, even the pro-Pind0 Wikipedia does not support you:
        two Americans, who, in most countries of the world, recognize the priority of inventing and building the world's first aircraft (the dispute over superiority with Alberto Santos-Dumont) capable of flying, are still not over, because the supporters of this theory of their primacy - there is not any evidence


        What else is there? Robert Fulton? Invented the submarine?

        ALWAYS NO, if it was the Anglo-Saxon bogeyman who invented the submarine, then I will argue that it was Leonardo Da'vinci who invented it (in terms of your approach) !!! Just like a helicopter !!!

        Further development of the discussion of the concept by which pind0s patent their "inventions" - do you understand?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 12 June 2016 17: 59
          +5
          Quote: megafair
          What else is there? Robert Fulton? Invented the submarine?

          - actually not only:

          Fulton is considered the creator of one of the first steamboats that won commercial success.

          Quote: megafair
          ... do you understand?

          But I shouldn’t be rude .. I don’t like it .. wink

          Antipindos, damn it. Sanctuary of the Pope (and mother). Defender of all true Russian fool

          How to get drunk, damn it, kerosene ... laughing
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 12 June 2016 18: 12
            +4
            Quote: Cat Man Null
            Quote: megafair
            What else is there? Robert Fulton? Invented the submarine?

            - actually not only:

            Fulton is considered the creator of one of the first steamboats that won commercial success.

            Quote: megafair
            ... do you understand?

            But I shouldn’t be rude .. I don’t like it .. wink

            Antipindos, damn it. Sanctuary of the Pope (and mother). Defender of all true Russian fool

            How to get drunk, damn it, kerosene ... laughing

            Roman, there are many "great" patriots on the site, do not feed them with bread, just give them the opportunity to "trample" the staff in the "dirt" To another country, I have already received 5 minuses. But I said banal things, I did not open America. If you are such patriots, then create such conditions in your country that talents do not leave.
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 12 June 2016 18: 19
              +2
              Quote: razmik72
              Roman, there are many "great" patriots on the site, don't feed them with bread, just give them the opportunity to "trample" staff members into the "dirt"

              - thanks, I'm on the run yes

              Quote: razmik72
              I have already received 5 cons

              - Yes, and a stump would be with them (minuses ... and minus antancers too), no? wink

              Quote: razmik72
              But I said commonplace things, I did not discover America

              - scha to you for mention of America in vain still penis anus bonuses minuses poke (just kidding).

              Now I’m telling you a little of the minuses ... hi
            2. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 12 June 2016 18: 36
              +2
              They have nothing to trample there, they have nothing but Ford and the Wright Brothers
            3. jPilot
              jPilot 13 June 2016 04: 15
              +1
              "If you are such patriots, then create such conditions in your country that talents do not leave." - I agree with you. By the way, it is not only the Pin-Dos who indulge in "enticement", at present it identifies the Chinese and Europa through their "agents", namely, TRAITORS (there is no other definition), talented and promising students and make them flattering offers. So the Boeing design bureau has our young specialists. request
        2. opus
          opus 12 June 2016 18: 00
          +2
          Quote: megafair
          from the point of view of your approach) - Leonardo Da'vinci !!!

          I personally spent a day in Milan at the Leonardo da Vinci Museum (ishos are fined for the zone in 81 euros by the pogans) - bullshit. Circus. Did not impress
          Quote: megafair
          ALREADY NO



          In 1797, Robert Fulton went to Paris, where was already well known as a talented engineer. In Paris, Fulton studied French, German, chemistry and mathematics. Here he began to design torpedoes and submarines.
          and that is a fact. In the archives of his work.



          From 1793 to 1797, he designed the first working submarine, the Nautilus, which successfully passed tests in the harbor of Le Havre in 1800.
          Yes, Robert was influenced by his acquaintance with James Rumsey, an inventor from Virginia, who back in 1786 he supervised the construction of the first ship in Shepherdstown
          (Shepherdstown).
          Quote: megafair
          patent their "inventions" - do you understand?

          not. in order to patent something, something needs to be invented, done, and then realized (implemented)


          Michael Stuart Brown, Peter Agre, David Baltimore, John Michael Bishop, Lloyd Stowell Shapley (note: one of five children in the family of astronomers Harlow Shapley and Martha Betz Shapley, served in the US Air Force), etc. etc. and other Nobel laureates from the USA
          Quote: megafair
          Anglo-Saxon Earhooks


          Most Americans are among the Nobel Prize winners - the whole 276. Moreover, this is a great merit of many other countries, including the USSR / Russia - dozens of talented scientists come to America, conduct research, get recognition there and are awarded the Nobel Prize, bringing world fame to the United States. In second place after the United States in the number of Nobel laureates - Great Britain - 102 people. Third place - at scientists and public figures from Germany - 77 laureates. France and Sweden are also in the top five - 49 and 30 of Nobel Prize winners, respectively. In sixth place - Switzerland - 22 laureate.

          Russia ranks seventh in the number of laureates of the most prestigious world prize.

          Most Nobel Prizes in scientific disciplines - physics, chemistry and medicine - got to the Americans. Their share is 43 percent. In second place in physics and chemistry - the Germans, in third - the British.
        3. NDR-791
          NDR-791 12 June 2016 18: 02
          -1
          Further development of the discussion of the concept by which pind0s patent their "inventions" - do you understand?
          Here's how yesterday infa about "Kalash"! Where is the copyright? Incidentally, Kalashnikov's daughter tried to sue them ... Does anyone know the results? I understand that there are no results !!! Therefore, the world's punks do what they want, that's such a shitty thing!
      2. iouris
        iouris 12 June 2016 17: 44
        +1
        All US residents are "foreigners". The United States is not a country, but a cluster of monopolies that surpass some states in their economic power.
        It is important not only to invent something, but also to make a product out of it. For example, Henry Ford invented the car as a mass product that everyone needs and created a consumer for this product.
        1. opus
          opus 12 June 2016 18: 28
          +1
          Quote: iouris
          For example, Henry Ford invented the car as a mass product that everyone needs and created a consumer for this product.

          correct: stal use industrial conveyor for in-line production cars.

          Daimler Motoren Gesellschaft (DMG) was when Henry 17 just knocked
    2. razmik72
      razmik72 12 June 2016 17: 09
      -1
      Quote: megafair
      Let's remember the story, the USA lured Igor Ivanovich Sikorsky to it, on this rose ...

      Who are going to lure further? Who will go to them?

      Call me GREAT AMERICAN inventors who were born in the USA!

      Come on, break your head!

      All inventions that the United States "owns" are made by natives of other countries!

      Yes, pind0s are able to "steal brains" - but you need to understand that - the situation is changing ...;)

      Against this background, I want to wish success to our aircraft designers!

      The USA is a country of immigrants who have found application for their talents in their new homeland; they do nothing shameful, attracting smart and energetic people to the States.
    3. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 12 June 2016 17: 26
      +6
      The mattress did not entice Igor Sikorsky. He himself made his way there, taught, built the first plane on a poultry farm. With Rachmaninoff's money. It was just that at that time all over the world it was very sucks, and in the USA, which was pumped by gold on supplies to the PMV, it was quite free. There was no freebie, however. But the audience was rich. And before the Great Depression, Sikorsky managed to "spin" the company and occupy a niche with seaplane aviation.
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 12 June 2016 17: 37
        +3
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        The mattress did not entice Igor Sikorsky. He himself made his way there, taught, built the first plane on a poultry farm. With Rachmaninoff's money. It was just that at that time all over the world it was very sucks, and in the USA, which was pumped by gold on supplies to the PMV, it was quite free. There was no freebie, however. But the audience was rich. And before the Great Depression, Sikorsky managed to "spin" the company and occupy a niche with seaplane aviation.

        It is clear that no one in the United States dragged Sikorsky by force, just the States as a country are attractive for emigration. How many Russians participated in the green card lottery last year, can you tell me?
      2. NDR-791
        NDR-791 12 June 2016 18: 11
        +2
        Mattress did not lure Igor Sikorsky. He made his way there, taught, at the poultry farm he built the first plane. With the money of Rachmaninov.
        Of course he didn’t lure, he pulled himself out of lack of money! But Tupolev did not run away, and they were the same age! And this attitude to their country, that's all. At the expense of the first plane - you are completely wrong hi What about the squadron (15 pieces) of "Murom", among other things Russian Sikorsky?
      3. andj61
        andj61 12 June 2016 19: 58
        +2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        Mattress did not lure Igor Sikorsky. He made his way there, taught, at the poultry farm he built the first plane. With the money of Rachmaninov.

        Sikorsky left, and his friend Tupolev remained. And both became great. Sikorsky is credited with words allegedly spoken to our journalists somewhere in the 60s:
        "Only Russians can make helicopters: in you, in Russia, and here, in America ..."
    4. opus
      opus 12 June 2016 17: 27
      +5
      Quote: megafair
      Call me GREAT AMERICAN inventors who were born in the USA!

      Oh my God...
      If Alexander Graham Bell was born in Edinburgh, Scotland, and later the Bell family moved to Canada and then to the United States. What does this mean? "Americans are stupid"? ™ M. Zadornov
      Leonhard Euler 15 April 1707, Basel, Switzerland - 7 (18) September 1783, St. Petersburg, Russian empire) - Swiss, German and Russian a mathematician and mechanic who made a fundamental contribution to the development of these sciences (as well as physics, astronomy and a number of applied sciences). What about us then?
      Étienne Maurice Falconet

      Probably you don't know where it is installed? and "Winter" and Shot?

      Robert Goddard (born in 1882 in Worcester (USA))


      90 YEARS BACK (March 16) ROBERT GODDARD PFIRST IN THE WORLD LAUNCHED A Rocket ON LIQUID FUEL

      Robert Fulton was born on 14 on November 1765 of the year in Little Britain, Lancaster County, PA, USA, the creator of one of the first steamboats and the design of one of the first submarines.

      Thomas Alva Edison - February 11 1847, Meilen, Ohio Well everyone knows him

      Norbert Wiener 26 November 1894, Columbia, Missouri, USA -GURU, dad of cybernetics, mathematician, philosopher (In his honor, in 1970, a crater on the far side of the Moon is named.)
      One "feedback loop" is worth it


      What about George Westinghouse? 6 October 1846 of the year at Central Bridge (pc. New York)

      Or recall George's dad?
      1. Thunderbolt
        Thunderbolt 12 June 2016 18: 52
        +4
        Quote: opus
        Probably do not know where it is installed?
        Ashgabat, not ...? laughing
        1. marshes
          marshes 12 June 2016 19: 04
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Ashgabat, not ...?

          By the way, the right guys, my father, is impressed. There is the possibility of receiving a satellite channel. Still, Yamal is Gazpromovsky.
          My father generally wishes that we would have such a thing, seriously. A tough "totalitarian regime" is the dream of the older generation. smile Yes, in principle, from the part, and I agree. smile
          1. opus
            opus 12 June 2016 19: 29
            +2
            Quote: marshes
            In general, my father wishes that we would have such a thing, seriously. The harsh "totalitarian regime" is the dream of the older generation

            Oh well, in the fig. Why are we Turkmen?

            "He doesn’t like people smarter than himself."

            SUMMARY: President of Turkmenistan Berdimuhamedov is a vain, fastidious, vengeful man, inclined to micromanagement and, moreover, an Akhal-Teke "nationalist"
            Father Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov Myalikguly Berdimuhamedov worked as a senior officer in the penitentiary system.

            In the stream of historical events
            Everything is important, everything is significant for us.
            Go through accomplishments and discoveries
            He calls every day and hour.
            He is the heart, conscience and soul of the people,
            His hope, MIND GOLD.
            So simple miracles do not happen -
            They fly like birds for a dream.
            And new dawns come to us
            Winged, sparkling we live.
            Words shine with unspeakable light
            And how can you not flood into the nightingale!
            The links, my syllable, that is tired does not know
            He has revived the greatness of the country.
            Earth transforms native,
            And in it are the sources of unprecedented strength.
            Great Renaissance
            Take a winged soul!
            After all, every day gives us inspiration -
            You meet the long-awaited happiness!
            All man cares about man,
            Blessed are these days forever.
            Leading Him to unprecedented heights,
            Oh Heaven, you always keep Him!
            Walks through the life of the chosen ones dear,
            And warmth is granted to the heart of the world.
            Give new strength to Him - I ask God
            And strengthen the gold paddle.


            Gozel Shagulyeva, national writer of Turkmenistan.

            brrrrr - WHAT MUCH
            1. andj61
              andj61 12 June 2016 20: 02
              +3
              Quote: opus
              SUMMARY: President of Turkmenistan Berdimuhamedov is a vain, fastidious, vengeful man, inclined to micromanagement and, moreover, an Akhal-Teke "nationalist"

              That's right - that's just about father - the question is ...
              Turkmens claim that his real father is Saparmurad Niyazov, the previous president. Otherwise, he would have no chance and opportunity to take this post.
              1. opus
                opus 12 June 2016 20: 22
                +3
                Quote: andj61
                Turkmens claim that his real father is Saparmurad Niyazov,

                Yes, for me, at least Barack Husseinich Obama.
                It's not okay anyway
                But they know better
            2. marshes
              marshes 12 June 2016 20: 26
              0
              My koment initial seem did not pass laughing
              What we see in the Yamal Peninsula is a well-cut state. Boys in two-breasted suits are girls in national strict dresses. All of them are turkish, they are Turkmen.
              I am impressed with the father as orders are received by some officials. Just remember the army charter. laughing
              And so their sports channel, all football, the announcer in Turkmen is not a problem for the Kazakh. smile
              Prior to this, Kabardino-Bulgaria has been blown away, there are at least problems with language. And also with Bashkir and Tatar channels. Well ... how we understand. smile
              Old Man from Bel TV to Yamal come out ... laughing
        2. opus
          opus 12 June 2016 19: 22
          +2
          Quote: Thunderbolt
          Ashgabat, not ...?

          their pebble is not so famous, and Gurbanguly Berdimuhamedov is unlikely to pull the "chopper of windows, beards and heads".
          if the prototype falls









          then the Arcadag binas will collapse the same
  3. 31rus2
    31rus2 12 June 2016 16: 57
    0
    Dear, a lot has already been written on this topic, but it is not clear why drag a screwdriver assembly to Russia? Competition is needed, but if you need engines, why not arrange production, not assembly. Further on competition, and where is the vaunted import substitution? Why do foreigners freely enter our market, domestic is either a ban or the conditions are not favorable.
    1. megafair
      megafair 12 June 2016 17: 03
      +1
      Quote: 31rus2
      why not fix the release, not the build.


      Dear, refresh your knowledge of the current state of Russian engineering, in particular, the release from scratch of aircraft engines ...

      You absolutely need to do this, otherwise you will periodically fall into such "proPsaks" ;)
      1. 31rus2
        31rus2 12 June 2016 18: 06
        0
        I understand everything perfectly, but it is necessary to start, otherwise we’ll slide down and the gap will simply not be reached. I don’t know, maybe this is what our government wants
  4. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 12 June 2016 17: 04
    0
    "... At the same time, this deplorable statistics testifies ..."
    This article should have been "dumped" today, on a holiday ?! So that the Russian people do not relax ?! Not earlier, not later ?! Well, come on, we'll sober up ... amAfter 6 hours, 56 minutes ....
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 12 June 2016 17: 13
      -1
      Sergey, today, I know, Sunday. What other holiday is today in Russia?
    2. megafair
      megafair 12 June 2016 17: 18
      +2
      Quote: ALABAY45
      exactly today, on a holiday ?!


      What holiday is it today?

      Ahhhh ... Yeehhh! Bush Elder's Birthday !?

      ahhh ... no, the day of the destruction of the Soviet Union, the former "stuck bone in the throat of pind0s" - some people celebrate ...

      What are you celebrating - explain !?
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 12 June 2016 18: 16
        +5
        Easy! Whatever Russia is, it's mine! And the Independence Day of Russia is my holiday! No, yours, whose notebook contains the birthday of Bush the elder (for you, he is a "saint", eka, you are his, with a capital letter). He (holiday) - MY! I celebrate! drinks And, you can beat your ears on your cheeks, sob, lament "about" .. and "without" ..., explain to neighbors and confused relatives "all the depths that I do not understand", grieve, put on mourning outfits, watch videos from Bolotnaya Square, prepare a sketch of a tattoo with "Nadenka" and continue to eat Russian dumplings with Russian vodka! hiWell, at least in some ways, I'm wrong ?!
  5. marshes
    marshes 12 June 2016 17: 31
    +1
    Yes, I read it, but I didn’t understand anything seriously. It’s just that some signed with others about the designation, so it seems. Where Augusta used to agree. For the EU and AN what they were going to collect, ABT, AKUL, that the assembly of these machines of the Russian Federation will be taken. smile And now we are already passing by the assembly of the EU-145, we switched to cheaper models. Considering that we have an excellent assembly workshop, an aircraft simulator and the training of pilots and mechanics.
    1. avt
      avt 12 June 2016 17: 52
      +1
      Quote: marshes
      Yes, I read, but I didn’t understand anything seriously.

      But the article is weak, I myself did not understand anything.
      UZGA entered into an agreement with the Airbus Helicopters on the licensed assembly of light twin-engine H135 helicopters (former designation - EC135 T3 / P3). The first batch of four cars is scheduled for release in 2017 year. In total, in the next 10 years at the plant it is planned to assemble about 160 helicopters H135.
      And this is all that the author dug up under the contract! ?? bully And there is still a very non-acidic continuation, that was, in terms of Airbus Helicopter entering the market with the delivery of services, in addition to turntables,!
      . Therefore, the statement made by the Tekhnodinamika holding at the HeliRussia 2016 exhibition about the start of work on the TD-701 family of mid-flight engines for light helicopters was perceived by experts as a statement of the incompetence of Klimov JSC on this topic.
      I don’t know who took what, but it would be better if the author gave the deadlines for creating an engine for light turntables, it was announced four years later, hence the conclusion that there will be NO and FOUR years for ANSAT or Ka-226, except for the Airbass engines. Hence, the contract with Lomom signed we benefit.
      Quote: marshes
      . If you consider that we have an excellent assembly workshop, an aircraft simulator and the training of pilots and mechanics.

      I didn’t write about that, but of course there is. BUT! The deal with the Urals for Lomma is advantageous in that he was given access to the transportation market in Russia for deliveries of the same engines, which are estimated to be 160 Messershmites only under the contract, excluding Ansatov and Ka-226. Kazakhstan can provide such a market? The answer is unequivocal and it led to a contract with the Urals. Business - nothing personal.
  6. Yak28
    Yak28 12 June 2016 17: 41
    +3
    Robinson Helicopter and Airbus Helicopters have already sold almost 500 aircraft to Russia, but what can we not do with such helicopters for entertaining the rich? This will create jobs, and cooperation with foreign companies is also not really needed
    1. marshes
      marshes 12 June 2016 17: 52
      +2
      Quote: Yak28
      Robinson Helicopter and Airbus Helicopters have already sold almost 500 aircraft to Russia, but what can we not do with such helicopters for entertaining the rich? This will create jobs, and cooperation with foreign companies is also not really needed

      The machine for 500 hours is designed with one engine, the price of a new one from those docs and with a resolution in our area of ​​250 tons of dead raccoons.
      With one engine, it is forbidden to fly over the village, in the limit ...
      The engine, as a rule, can have a piston unit made by a kapitalka, plus they must be with certificates.
      Air defense "loves" them.
    2. avt
      avt 12 June 2016 18: 07
      0
      Quote: Yak28
      This will create jobs, and cooperation with foreign firms is also not particularly needed.

      Upyarot, right after the holidays, start assembling an analog of the Arrius 2R gas turbine engines of your own design and manufacture, which are analogs
      “We have high competencies in the development of power plants and are ready to enter this market, while today we see the need for such engines on the market. Many consumers of aircraft technicians note that foreign analogues do not allow helicopters to operate under a number of conditions, so our main competitive advantage will be price and advanced application options, - said the head of Technodynamics Maxim Kuzyuk. “At the same time, today we have a ready base for the rapid implementation of this engine due to the accumulated experience of the development team and the established cooperation in production and testing at the existing Hydraulics base and UEC enterprises. There will also be attracted test base CIAM them. Baranova. According to him, all these factors allow us to count on the accelerated launch of new engines on the market.
      these comrades with a government decree are taken only four years. Here, raise the dough fairly, it’s more interesting than raving on the clave to tap Uryapotsriotsky.
      Quote: Yak28
      cooperation with foreign companies is also not particularly needed

      on the basis of a weak, superficial article. And by the way = Robertson is already driving a version with a gas turbine engine - well, as I said above, an endeavor for fame and money - herat your gas turbine engine and remotorize 500 helicopters delivered to the rich
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Muddy article.

      good exactly.
    3. NDR-791
      NDR-791 12 June 2016 18: 25
      +1
      Ours do not need jobs because from each place 13% of income tax, and 35% for imports included, and for "constructor" 8%, but how much from above to Tihan ??? I see the only real problem - we have a lot of tension with the engines !!! Even the Yak-152 "Irkut" will be supplied with Austrian diesel engines, but it was made back in Soviet times and under our engine, which still DOESN'T !!!
    4. Freem2012
      Freem2012 12 June 2016 22: 21
      0
      No one wants to admit the lack of strategic management.
  7. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 12 June 2016 17: 42
    +1
    Cloudy article. Everything is bad with us. Helicopters are not built, there are no engines, la-la-la. And the fact that the "Klimovskaya" company was urgently setting up the production of turbines for combat helicopters and Mi 8/17? And Permians are urgently mastering powerful turbines for heavy ones? And for small ones, their hands simply do not reach. And all because Zaporozhye Motor Sich where? Therefore, the plans for 2014 had to be strongly corrected. There is nothing to be done, the loss of a strategic supplier is always extremely unprofitable both in terms of time and money. For combat and medium - they did not fail, heavy - are also produced, for engines for light - while the hole, the French rushed to plug it - in spite of any sanctions - one can only thank. Any plant, especially engine assembly - it is ON OUR territory, already a breakthrough. And we know how to make shoulder blades - this is the secret laughing
  8. Revolver
    Revolver 12 June 2016 17: 51
    +1
    A little off topic, but I want to share. In Orlando, Florida, a Muslim of Afghan origin shot the most popular pederast bar in the city. Fifty corpses, and even more wounded. Now, if only Muslims, when unbearable and hungry, would satisfy their needs in pederast bars, how much better the world would be ...
    1. Revolver
      Revolver 12 June 2016 18: 07
      +3
      Well, actually, I used the definition "g.i-bar", like politically correct. I changed this site myself. But I do not mind the wording "bugger bar", the meaning is conveyed.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 June 2016 18: 13
        +4
        Quote: Nagan
        Well, actually, I used the definition "g.i-bar", like politically correct.

        It's not a matter of political correctness, you just need to call the buggers by their proper names.
        Quote: Nagan
        Fifty corpses, and even more wounded.

        The world has become a little cleaner.
        Quote: Nagan
        some Muslim of Afghan descent

        Nagan, no matter how cynical it sounds, but there they care.
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 12 June 2016 18: 21
          +3
          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          The world has become a little cleaner.
          yes

          Quote: Alexander Romanov
          Nagan, no matter how cynical it sounds, but there they care.
          yes

          That's why I decided to share the news
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 June 2016 18: 27
            +5
            Quote: Nagan

            That's why I decided to share the news

            You have no extra Afghan there? and then here is another unfinished
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 12 June 2016 18: 59
              +2
              He lies and does not blush. He is not today, he is daily. Heroam Sala!

              And about the Afghans - at least take everyone. But only by self.lol
              1. Mountain shooter
                Mountain shooter 12 June 2016 20: 59
                +3
                In the same topic.
                Simon, and you know, our neighbor Izya is still a bugger!
                What, took the money and did not give?
                No, what are you, I'm in a good way!
            2. midivan
              midivan 13 June 2016 02: 48
              +1
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              You have no extra Afghan there? and then here is another unfinished

              I still don’t understand one thing, the march of equality is fagots with people there or people to fagots? It seems that the gamepad sounds better and more honest laughing
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 03: 15
                +2
                Quote: midivan
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                You have no extra Afghan there? and then here is another unfinished

                I still don’t understand one thing, the march of equality is fagots with people there or people to fagots? It seems that the gamepad sounds better and more honest laughing

                This pedril was called by people,
  9. iouris
    iouris 12 June 2016 17: 53
    +1
    Already in the late 1990s there was a feeling that Klimov had transferred all his "competence" to Motor Sich in exchange for a "good" financial result. So everything is natural.
  10. Berkut24
    Berkut24 12 June 2016 18: 18
    0
    "The United States is a country of immigrants who have found application for their talents in their new homeland, they do nothing wrong, attracting smart and energetic people to the States."

    ... as well as physically, politically and economically destroying the economies of countries capable of creating more competitive products.
  11. user3970
    user3970 12 June 2016 18: 25
    +2
    I vaguely remember that long ago it was in the "Arguments of the Week" interview with the owner of Motor Sich, which ten years ago offered Manturov broad cooperation in the collection of engines for helicopters in Russia. Then he was politely sent, they say, with a mustache. Now, it seems, "Motor Sich" has opened a small factory in Belarus. Something like this .
    1. avt
      avt 12 June 2016 18: 40
      0
      Quote: user3970
      I vaguely remember that long ago it was in the "Arguments of the Week" interview with the owner of Motor Sich, which ten years ago offered Manturov broad cooperation in the collection of engines for helicopters in Russia.

      Indeed, vaguely remember something in fragments. Motor Sich just how long ago quietly moved to Russia, with a fair amount of specialists.
      1. iouris
        iouris 13 June 2016 00: 29
        -1
        The military industry should be urgently removed from the Ministry of Industry and Trade, as it is managed by ROSSTANDART, which is the administrative body of the WTO in the Russian Federation.
  12. svp67
    svp67 12 June 2016 18: 41
    +1
    In 2015, the assembly of Bell-407GXP began at UZGA, and a contract was also being implemented to localize the production (the so-called screwdriver assembly) of the Bell-505 lightweight single-engine gas turbine helicopter.

    Yes, there is also a Soviet problem - gigantomania, we always do something corresponding to the size of our country, forgetting about the "little things", but they are very important
    Bell-407gxp

    Bell-505

    And it's good that they decided to solve this problem, but maybe they should have shown more persistence in bringing to mind and arranging the release of the Mi-34, and not declare
    Currently, the management of the holding, speaking about the suspension of the project, assures that there is no demand for a model of this class.
    And the legitimate question "Squirrels"
    UZGA for whom it is going to let out?
    1. marshes
      marshes 12 June 2016 18: 52
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, there is also a Soviet problem - gigantomania, we always do something corresponding to the size of our country, forgetting about the "little things", but they are very important
      Bell-407gxp

      You give birth to porridge with your own two-wheelers, or Ansat, which is supposedly the simplest.
      And it’s easier agricultural planes with their engines, the demand will be wild ...
    2. avt
      avt 12 June 2016 19: 22
      +2
      Quote: svp67
      UZGA for whom it is going to let out?

      You really don’t understand anything from this article. Messershmites launched allowing Airbuses to work in ambulance aviation with UTair, which has long operated their light turntables
      Quote: marshes
      You’ll give birth to porridge with your own dvila
      laughing Yes, they have already substituted import for everything in the internet and now they moan about "missed opportunities"
      Quote: marshes
      , or Ansat, which is supposedly the simplest.

      The simplest and riveting them is not a problem, But the fact that all the engines are imported and theirs at best will be done and certified through four goals. Yes, and then they must be mass-produced, well, they don’t let it into the brain. More and more glitches indulge
      Quote: da Vinci
      They cannot take the best from the foreigner + add the skill of domestic kulibins and as soon as possible get an excellent result, and taking into account the experience of others - more promising.

      laughing And therefore they cannot, because they do not sell engines with giblets of manufacturing technology, through a contract with Airbus helicopter and its admission to the market for providing services in the form of flight clocks, in particular, they will drag engines here with subsequent localization at Russian production sites and for, Ansata "c Ka-226. And how did you want that? In Airbus, there are no fools for just throwing engines around, especially since they know perfectly well that all our lungs were originally sharpened under their Turbomecca and Prat Whitney.
      Quote: marshes
      And it’s easier agricultural planes with their engines, the demand will be wild ...

      Yeah, only on the An-3, well, the remotorized An-2, again the American goes gas turbine, and ours got lost somewhere. request
      Quote: da Vinci
      Well done Chinese!

      Yeah - still having copied the engines for Su, they can’t reach the Russian quality and ... they’re buying. wassat
  13. da Vinci
    da Vinci 12 June 2016 18: 57
    -1
    They cannot take the best from the foreigner + add the skill of domestic kulibins and as soon as possible get an excellent result, and taking into account the experience of others - more promising. Well done Chinese! drinks This is not criticism, this is a call to action! good
    1. marshes
      marshes 12 June 2016 19: 08
      +1
      Quote: da Vinci
      They cannot take the best from the foreigner + add the skill of domestic kulibins and as soon as possible get an excellent result, and taking into account the experience of others - more promising.

      Not when this will not happen, the main thing for Europeans is the rise in price of the product, in that way they want to increase the number of participants in a particular project, the fight against unemployment.
      Quote: da Vinci
      . Well done Chinese!

      Than well done? I have China near by, I can talk about strengths and weaknesses.
    2. region58
      region58 12 June 2016 19: 41
      0
      Quote: da Vinci
      Well done Chinese!

      Well done ... That's just with a resource their copied engines have no even in pi highly. That's why the real ones buy from us. This is me about airplanes.
  14. Bort radist
    Bort radist 12 June 2016 19: 05
    +1
    On "Lenta.RU" news.
    The cause of the disaster in which Major Sergei Eremenko died of the guard is a pilot's stroke.
    1. marshes
      marshes 12 June 2016 19: 28
      +2
      Quote: Bort Radist
      The cause of the disaster in which Major Sergei Eremenko died of the guard is a pilot's stroke.

      How old was he, Kazakhs had anniversaries, etc. from 40 and 50 years old they can’t cope, they are considered dead time.
      At the very half of friends, namely friends, heart attacks died, strokes blood clots, oddly enough, most were athletes.
    2. iouris
      iouris 13 June 2016 00: 25
      0
      This is only one of the versions put forward by the medical team. In addition, subcommittees are created to analyze the operation of equipment, the organization of flights, meteorological and aerodrome support.
      The official reason will be announced in the conclusion of the commission of inquiry on the AP. Material analysis takes time.
      In my memory there was a similar case. The fighter pilot died after a stroke. The blow happened when he got home right after the night flights. This was the first day of his vacation. The age is about the same.
  15. Sergey333
    Sergey333 12 June 2016 19: 15
    +1
    Good article, fraud everywhere. They’ll wave beautiful pictures in front of their noses and think that if they hire a dozen effective managers, the engine will be developed by itself, and that money will be used up, the appearance of work will be created and slowly disappear from sight.
    1. Freem2012
      Freem2012 12 June 2016 22: 36
      0
      Good, but a little optimistic.
  16. Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 June 2016 05: 30
    0
    The article is good. We generally have a complete blockage with engines.
    In the defense industry for sure. We only purchase small screw engines.
    And this is small aviation and large drones.
    Helicopter engines too, so far only increasing production.
    I have not heard about shipboard for a long time.
    This is the loss of design schools, the loss of technology.
    It’s clear that the work is going on, but how long will it take ...
  17. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 June 2016 08: 56
    0
    I read the article and there was an inner feeling that the leadership of this office and many many others do not focus on the interests of the country and the company, but their own pocket, but on the rest, they want to create something else. And this does not happen.