Kiev is lying again, demanding unreasonable gas discounts from Russia

The gas price set by the Russian side for Ukraine exceeds the prices existing on the European wholesale market, therefore, if Gazprom does not reduce it, then Naftogaz will buy blue fuel in Europe without any problems, leads Look words of the development director of the Ukrainian company Yuri Vitrenko.

“The Minister of Energy of the Russian Federation says that Gazprom will sell us gas for 177 dollars in the third quarter. Adjusted for caloric content, this means that the price in the acts will be 182 – 183 dollars. He believes that it is even lower than the market price, ”said Vitrenko.

“We do not think so. Yesterday in the German market (NCG hub) the price for July, for example, was lower than 173 dollars. Therefore, under such conditions we will not buy gas from Gazprom at all. We will buy all the necessary gas in the European market. Fortunately, we have no problems with that now, ”he noted.

"And the fact that the price of Gazprom remains at a level even higher than the German hubs will be a sufficient argument for us in the same Stockholm arbitration," the Naftogaz representative added.

According to him, "the price of Russian gas for Ukraine should be determined by the formula of the German hub minus the transport to it from the border of the Russian Federation - Ukraine."

Thus, in Ukraine they called the price at which they would like to buy Russian gas from July 2016-th to March 2017 g: below $ 177 per thousand cubic meters.

Previously, the Russian Federation has repeatedly offered Ukraine a discount. However, as stated by the deputy general director of the National Energy Security Fund, Alexei Grivach, this time there are no grounds for discounts.

“Let Vitrenko go and buy there (in Germany) gas at 173 minus transportation costs. If he can buy, then he can give him a medal, ”Grivach sneers. “They have never succeeded in this, because the price of reverse gas for Ukraine is the price in the hub plus transportation costs, plus the supplier’s margin. And this may be an additional 20 – 30 dollars per thousand cubic meters or even more. ”

That is, reverse gas can cost Ukraine at a price of more than $ 200. “Vitrenko’s arguments about the caloric value of gas and about 182 – 183 dollars per thousand cubic meters are nothing more than rhetorical manipulations,” noted Grivach.

“Caloric content is the technical characteristics of the calorific value of gas. With more high-calorie gas, more energy is produced, so there is a small surcharge. However, it is not the gas volumes that are consumed, but the calories, so in terms of caloric value, the price of 177 dollars is still the same, ”he explained.

Comments

[ALABAY45]

Yes, go, this Kiev, in the ass! In Russia, tomorrow is a holiday! This beggar is still climbing ... Oops! And, suddenly, these are congratulations ... from the "brotherly folk" ?! That is why they didn’t accept me at MGIMO ... Rude!

[cniza]

Ukrainians, as always in their repertoire, want to outwit themselves.

[Russian German]

I think that such an answer will be correct.

[JACTUS RECTUS]

Accidentally set a minus.

[SRC P-15]

Kiev is lying again, demanding unreasonable gas discounts from Russia

Let them demand discounts not from Russia, but from the EU: let the European countries buy gas for Ukraine - these will be reasonable "discounts" for them.

[sgazeev]

Quote: SRC P-15

Kiev is lying again, demanding unreasonable gas discounts from Russia

Let them demand discounts not from Russia, but from the EU: let the European countries buy gas for Ukraine - these will be reasonable "discounts" for them.

Whoever brewed the porridge must pay so that the porridge does not burn. Let them write a manifesto to Europe "Gilded the handle."

[Dryuya2]

another Europaean zrad
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https://russian.rt.com/article/307190-v-seim-polshi-vnesyon-zakonoproekt-o-prizn
years
11 June 2016, 19: 18
A bill on recognition of July 11 as the Day of Remembrance of the Victims of the Genocide Committed by the OUN-UPA in Eastern Poland has been submitted to the Sejm of Poland.
The authors of the bill from the Peasant Party claim that the crimes of the OUN-UPA * were organized in nature and were “ethnic pure and genocide,” RIA Novosti reported.
Recall that the Ukrainian Insurgent Army (UPA) was the armed wing of the ultra-right Organization of Ukrainian Nationalists (OUN), operating mainly in Western Ukraine.
According to historians, about 1 million people died, including about 200 thousand Poles, at the hands of the OUN-UPA. Volyn massacre - mass destruction in 1943 by Ukrainian nationalists of Polish citizens in Volyn, whose territory until September 1939 was mainly part of Poland.
* Both organizations are banned in Russia.

[roadsmell]

Cunningly done and "crap in this business" Ukrainians try to manipulate the price, taking advantage of foreign (European) "privileges of bona fide partners" - discounts from Germany, Slovakia, etc., who DESERVE these discounts.
In fact: we ourselves cannot buy without discounts, but we can buy "discount gas" in CEEurope, but we do not want to pay for transit from CEEurope:

Yesterday in the German market (NCG hub) the price for July, for example, was below $ 173.

So I would buy it .. yesterday ... 173 .. ten years ahead, what's the problem ???

[Red_Hamer]

And what, as long as there are Carpathians, let them go there for forest !

[sgazeev]

Quote: Red_Hamer

And what, as long as there are Carpathians, let them go there for forest !

It seems that under the Goverla the coal has lodged.

[Teberii]

Just their repertoire is the same, tired.

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: cniza

Ukrainians, as always in their repertoire

By the way, this character - Yuri Vitrenko, one of the directors of Naftogaz - is the son of an ardent champion of socialism and an ardent supporter of the alliance of Ukraine with Russia and Belarus, leader of the Progressive Socialist Party of Ukraine, Natalia Vitrenko. I don’t understand, either she raised her son in some way wrong, or Natalya Mikhailovna is not so sincere in her convictions.

Why am I? And to the fact that, it seems, there are no real pro-Russian politicians in Ukraine. It’s just not - neither systemic nor extra-systemic ..

[Belarus]

You are absolutely right in your reasoning. If you look at country 404 starting with Kuchma, then we will all see exactly what you wrote about.
Exactly, we will also see the Republic of Belarus, which kept and continues to hold the Russian Federation for a dairy cow. For me personally, as a resident of the Republic of Belarus, this is not very pleasant.

[4ekist]

It's just that everyone is looking for "their" warm place and gets the max out of it. benefit without disdaining anything. As for gas, the seller sets the price, as is customary. They do not want to buy from us, let them buy in Europe.

[RUSS]

Quote: cniza

Ukrainians, as always in their repertoire, want to outwit themselves.

I think this time Ukraine will knock out a discount, because - "we can't leave the fraternal people."

[kolobok63]

- "we can't leave the fraternal people."
If this suddenly happens, I will consider this concession as a betrayal of the Russian people! It's sad all this!

[sgazeev]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: cniza

Ukrainians, as always in their repertoire, want to outwit themselves.

I think this time Ukraine will knock out a discount, because - "we can't leave the fraternal people."

The main thing is not to leave LDNR. And ukrozady to skip ears.

[4ekist]

This "brotherly" people and their rulers obsera at all levels. I believe that the fraternal people ends up behind the DPR, LPR.

[Altona]

Quote: cniza

they want to outwit themselves.

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Yes, this is talk about nothing. They want to fly through Germany or Slovakia-flag in hand. It’s all the same Russian gas and Miller will have applications. Well, the Germans want to make a gesheft, master-master.

[brasist]

cniza RU Yesterday, 13:15 ↑ New
Ukrainians, as always in their repertoire, want to outwit themselves.

And how they (x) can’t hamper themselves that there will always be horseradish with a screw on a cunning ass ...

[olegfbi]

From a dead donkey their ears, not preferential prices ...

[Vasily16]

Not a day without Ukrainians!

[ALABAY45]

Like, not a single day - without toilet paper!

[Pavel1]

debt first -3ml. Tugrikof, then in the morning money in the evening chairs.

[RUSS]

Quote: Paul1

debt first -3ml. Tugrikof, then in the morning money in the evening chairs.

Not a ride, the debt is 3 lard state, and Gazprom is a private office.

[sgazeev]

Quote: RUSS

Quote: Paul1

debt first -3ml. Tugrikof, then in the morning money in the evening chairs.

Not a ride, the debt is 3 lard state, and Gazprom is a private office.

Gazprom-state, a controlling stake in the state.

[RUSS]

Quote: Paul1

debt first -3ml. Tugrikof, then in the morning money in the evening chairs.

Not a ride, the debt is 3 lard state, and Gazprom is a private office.

[Pavel1]

Quote: RUSS

Not a ride, the debt is 3 lard state, and Gazprom is a private office.

GAZPROM
(OAO Gazprom) is the largest gas company in the world.

The main activities are exploration, production, transportation, storage, processing and sale of gas and other hydrocarbons. The owner of a controlling stake in Gazprom (50,002%) is the Russian state.

http://greater_political.academic.ru/27/%D0%93%D0%90%D0%97%D0%9F%D0%A0%D0%9E%D0%
9C

[Dam]

What holiday? Independence from whom? From previously joined lands? Perhaps I have different holidays with Yeltsin’s spawn.

[ALABAY45]

If my family and I lived in the Yeltsin era - we, too, in your opinion, "Yeltsin offspring" ?! Well, be patient, soon your holiday will come on July 4th .... Be careful, with words, Vladik ...!

[Dam]

Alabai, God forbid, the Yeltsin offspring is scum that ruined the Great Country and tried to ruin the Russian Federation. By the way, the day was not chosen by chance; on that day one of the most shameful and difficult peace treaties was concluded with Sweden, according to which Russia lost its northern territories. This group of people, now calls itself liberals, but in fact just traitors

[aiden]

Support. For whom is a holiday, and for whom is the tragedy of the USSR

[Starover_Z]

“We don’t think so. Yesterday in the German market (NCG hub) the price for July, for example, was below $ 173. Therefore, under such conditions, we will not buy gas from Gazprom at all. We will buy all the necessary gas in the European market. Fortunately, we have no problems now. ”

Naf-Naf-To-gass-ss! Do not like the market price from Russia ?!
Walk around the "bazaar", bargain ... Who's stopping? The bazaar is voluntary!
Do not want to - do not buy - drown with manure! You have LOTS of it !!!

[sgazeev]

Quote: ALABAY45

Yes, go, this Kiev, in the ass! In Russia, tomorrow is a holiday! This beggar is still climbing ... Oops! And, suddenly, these are congratulations ... from the "brotherly folk" ?! That is why they didn’t accept me at MGIMO ... Rude!

So they are already a little bit in Europe, well, quite a bit, just not enough lace bloomers.

[4ekist]

.... and panties.

[evil partisan]

Quote: ALABAY45

In Russia, tomorrow, Holiday!

That is, as I understand it, today, from our football team, you, Colleague, do not expect a holiday? How are the firecrackers doing? ? Survived from the time of the World Cup hockey semi-final ?
Hello, renegade and plunderer of folk asphalt!

[Dmitry Potapov]

Well, buy from them! What are we talking about ?!

[NDR-791]

This is now against the backdrop of the German sunny summer, such conversations. There, even local companies paid extra for energy consumption in May (those who sit on solar and wind energy) accumulated too much. And in winter the Germans will give a fig. And by the way, why are talk of cool about Germany. They were going to reverse from Slovakia?

[Donlomakin]

How can you demand discounts from "the aggressor country?"

[NDR-791]

With this, it is simple - just like the money on the client’s panel.

[mig29mks]

Ukraine already looks like a black hole)))) but ambition as a respectable organization))))

[RUSS]

Quote: mig29mks

Ukraine already looks like a black hole)))) but ambition as a respectable organization))))

The photo is most likely a fake.

[33 Watcher]

I wrote to this Vitrenko, on his page in the FB, that he would go around the bazaar and look for cheaper ... From 19 onwards they will be brewed, generally exclusively from German hubs. There are no problems ...

[Air defense SSH]

And the flag in their hands, and a fair wind in the back ... And let them live on the 19th year.

[avg-mgn]

The price of reverse gas for Ukraine is the price in the hub plus transportation costs, plus the margin of the supplier. And it can be in addition 20 – 30 dollars per thousand cubic meters and even more.

All this talk about reverse supplies is needed for money laundering. Even a student will find the price of Russian gas on the Internet, but the true price of the reverse never.

We will buy all the necessary gas in the European market. Fortunately, now we have no problems

Go ahead, after the problems, the Germans will help them to fuck.

[Monos]

Why won't Gazprom cut the valve for them at all? In such advanced cases, a gas therapy session is simply necessary! Let's be honest: Putin is a so-so aggressor.

[33 Watcher]

Quote: Monos

Putin is an aggressor so-so.

Generally no!

[marl]

Quote: Monos

Why won't Gazprom cut the valve for them at all?

Yes, because the contract is so drawn up that although they are transit countries, they do not bear any responsibility. The gas that goes through pipes on their territory to the border with the EU is ours, and this is our responsibility to the European consumer. We turn off the valve to this frantic, gas will not go to Europe, we are tormented to pay the forfeit to Europeans. And they are just waiting for this in order to raise the next wave that Russia is an unreliable supplier, and at the same time cut down the money from us. Here we are from the pants and jump out so as not to give them this trump card in our hands.
Although, personally, I sincerely do not understand why we are constantly proving to them that we are good guys if they still have not understood this for the last millennium.

[atalef]

Quote: marna

We turn off the valve to this frantic, gas will not go to Europe, we are tormented to pay the forfeit to Europeans.

strangely

Europe agreed to Kiev’s proposal to move the point of purchase of Russian gas from the western border of Ukraine to the eastern. This will protect Russia from the risks associated with transit through Ukrainian territory and gas extraction

Quote: marna

Turn off the valve with this rabid

They themselves blocked it - refusing to buy - you can’t block one valve twice

[marl]

Quote: atalef

Quote: marna
Turn off the valve with this rabid
They themselves blocked it - refusing to buy - you can’t block one valve twice

Turn off the valve, quote it if it makes it easier for you.

[atalef]

Quote: Monos

Why won't Gazprom cut the valve for them at all?

Why overlap?
In general, the conversation is not clear - Ukraine does not want to buy at the price of Gazprom - so do not sell, and this is the end.
What is there to beat the pots?
They will not buy - they will shut off the valve and so on.

[valent45]

How can an enemy demand a discount? Then surrender and surrender at the mercy of the enemy!

[voronbel53]

Quote: valent45

How can an enemy demand a discount? Then surrender and surrender at the mercy of the enemy!

They require us to extend and strengthen sanctions, and from us, discounts, as our best friend. Do they, in general, in their minds, or do they think it will go under the fool, or is perestroika in their madhouse? It’s time they already got a worse collar - they’ve messed up completely, they don’t see the coast ... (Khokhlyad MOV) ...

[Banishing liberoids]

They fed on their ass parasites and freeloaders. They throw eggs at our embassies, and then they get some discounts out. Return the debts, parasites.

[mig29mks]

they themselves believe before dinner;

[Mountain shooter]

Indeed, to set the conditions is payment of debts, and then gas. And get more firewood. Suddenly do not agree.

[dmitriyruss]

Yes, how much can you discuss Kiev ... lies, hypocrites, etc., it's like discussing a patient in a psychiatric ward - he is ill, he should.

[Chulman]

Quote: olegfbi

From a dead donkey their ears, not preferential prices ...

They will! Even as they will, with a low bow !!!

[Reptiloid]

Poland has abandoned Russian gas, acquired more expensive and happy.
And the Ukrainians. completely brainwashed. Or so, they stand out after the German speakers.

[Kos_kalinki9]

No, well, if the price does not suit, then they can conclude a contract with Norway. Maybe it’s cheaper for them, or even for free. Or with gambling about shale gas to overgrow. And here's another way out, bask up to blue. The brothers were beaten up by their spiritual simplicity.

[Stoler]

I Believe in Our Government, in its Strength and unwaveringness in defending the interests of Russia and its inhabitants !!! GIVE !!!! And the difference will be removed from Us !!!

[Warm Padded Jacket]

beggars)))

[sergey2017]

Quote: SRC P-15

Kiev is lying again, demanding unreasonable gas discounts from Russia

Let them demand discounts not from Russia, but from the EU: let the European countries buy gas for Ukraine - these will be reasonable "discounts" for them.

Naftogaz will not be able to buy blue fuel in Europe, since Ukraine will not be supplied with gas for free! Therefore, the price of reverse gas for Ukraine, including transportation costs, plus the supplier's margin, and this will amount to an additional $ 30-40 per thousand cubic meters! Putin correctly said: “Whoever does not want to buy, don’t need to! We will sell it to Israel, and he will resell the gas at a premium who doesn't want to buy from Russia! "

[F751]

Flag in hand, drum on neck .... how to put it mildly .... "alternatively gifted" ((

[MATROSKIN-53]

Kiev has a wonderful alternative to Russian gas - to heat dung. That is shit from cattle. Given the fact that they have enough cattle, it means there will be no problems in the lack of shit. And it would not hurt to return the debt of 3 million dollars!

[Kos_kalinki9]

And it would not hurt to return the debt of 3 million dollars!

Sorry, sir. 3 Muliarda !!!!!!

[Kaliostro-2410]

We can even for FREE, BUY!

[vetor]

Yes, it’s good to cheer for Gazprom.
And how much do we pay for gas? And to whom?
Is there a discount for Russian citizens?

[4ekist]

"It is planned" - all over the face, only manage to substitute.

[forest park 86]

I’ll ask a stupid question: "Maybe Russia will not sell gas to anyone? Or are we obliged to maintain all rag-tag? Let them take exorbitant prices from mattress makers. But we will have reserves."

[excomandante]

I would like that they would not give any discounts to hohlopiteks. But hard to believe, unfortunately. So far, they have been given discounts on the first whistle :(

[Skifotavr]

I have not even read the article - nothing new. But here is an interesting photo for her

[private person]

Yes photo offset, close your eyes and dream in erotic fantasies ******

[dvg1959]

Put them on a fast food ration.
Then let's see how their Europe will provide gas.
This tramp will continue until the valve is redrawn.

[Colleague]

Do not want to take it - it's that simple. But for horses along the way for a long time.

[vladimirvn]

The umbilical cord between us is still not cut. Blood we, blood. There were brothers, but they became almost enemies. Because it hurts.

[Vladimir61]

And "Vitrenko's reasoning about the calorific value of gas ..."

Soon, they will begin to talk about GMO gas, if only to achieve a discount for what "we ourselves have enough", as Ukrainian officials have deigned to express earlier. A strange position, "We can and ..."! So who doesn't?

[dchegrinec]

They want gas, there are European prices for this fuel. They are of the same type as Europeans, and the prices are similar. It’s not clear what bargaining is. Or they do not tell us anything. But then why such articles?

[Signaller]

Well, we can’t supply them with so many cows producing methane in large quantities. I think it is necessary to connect the population of Dill. They produce methane in large quantities. They don’t care what the full paragraph and hydrogen sulfide just rolls over. It is necessary to use them their achievements.

[Ros 56]

You have to respond to arrogance with rudeness, but suck at a drunken hedgehog, you don’t like it, then buy in Oyrop, it will be cheaper there, or maybe not.

[vlad_vlad]

Quote: olegfbi

From a dead donkey their ears, not preferential prices ...

so intersny - over and over here on the site seething: "... they, but not a discount .." and time after time it ends with a discount. I remember now - 430 ... 350 ... 270 ... 200 ...
yeah, ... children do not roll bags. or not, it is better suited: "speak up, Shura, say - you are not bothering me."

[Denis Skiff]

“When did dry daily reports for us“ one person died and one was injured as a result of mortar shelling of the village of Aleksandrovka ”became the norm?” “I worked for thirty-five years in the mine. Why am I doing this? There are tears in my eyes. - Thirty five years. In the face. And they bomb and bomb. My house was bombed.

it’s only for this man’s hut that it is worth stopping all supplies of coal gas and everything else. for killed children and women in general, everything is no longer delivered to them.
so no. business. The first channel and Russia1 are slowly returning. arbenins and all evil spirits.
business say? nothing, and there will be a holiday on our street.
howl everything.

[Antiprogressor]

Well, here we pay 300 r for 732 kilowatts, and in Ukraine they pay 300 rubles or 420 hryvnias for 162 sq. Because it is cold 7 months a year and the CHPP is on gas, and if gas were made at the Ukrainian price, then we would have been sitting without gas and without electricity.
In general, how much does Gazprom transfer to the state, including benefits? How much is our gas? Officially, the Russian Federation, represented by the state property, owns 38% of the shares. Well, yes, there are some taxes from this share, well, 11% from oilmen and 1% from gas distribution (this is actually our gas). In general, all the money goes down the drain. Under Brezhnev, as well as under Khrushchev, everything was planned primarily for Ridna Ukraine (communist heritage, a monument to communists and five-year plans, general secretaries and Muscovites). So, then they proudly vparivat citizens of the country "we give them gas. They are pipes for us!" Hurray, comrades! In general, Ukraine needs to part with the legacy of communism without looking back, cheerfully and joyfully. One legacy of Khrushchev went to Russia. Themselves vizhzhali both in the EU and in Kiev, even somewhere overseas - "the borders of states are counted in 1945. Well, we corrected the mistake with the Crimea, which in 1945 and 1946, and before .... was within the borders of the RSFSR . No questions.
Nda. The Americans will persuade them not to use the shameful heritage.

[avg-mgn]

Quote: marna

Yes, because the contract is so drawn up that although they are transit countries, they do not bear any responsibility.

It is not entirely true about liability, but the fact that the contract is drawn up illiterately 100%. The text of the contract itself became unavailable, although at the end of 15 I read it, but I give a link to the analysis
http://www.compromat.ru/page_23858.htm

[behemot]

Ukrainians are accustomed to a freebie. And they succeed, our politicians will give a discount for the sake of politics (by the way, where are there 3 billion?), Well, well, this is the brotherly people, they were simply deceived, etc. etc. Khokhlam discount, we will raise the price in the domestic market, shareholders will be satisfied. Now the Germans are singing, Ukraine needs to restore trade relations with Russia, such as Ukraine needs to tumble a billion dollars, i.e. again, at the expense of our pockets, no, I’d better sponsor our producers, and let this thievish bastard bring down (or rather remain) in woo.

[cergey51046]

Why should we raise this issue again?
Buy where it’s cheaper.

[BARKHAN]

Brothers, this is still funny and sad at the same time ...
Personally reminds me of the actions of men of a Brazilian tribe ...
"While most men dream of having more dignity, men from the Brazilian tribe Topinamba, preparing for sexual intercourse, go into the forest and tease one of the species of snakes with their genitals. The reptile usually does not remain indifferent to such impudence. After a bite, the penis swells, and intercourse can last several hours. One shot of two birds with one stone: and the partner is happy and the snake had fun. Apparently, this tribe does not have sex too often - experiencing such a procedure every day does not seem like a good idea. "
Great Ukrainians along the way amuse snakes every day. And they slip both heads of snakes ...

[t118an]

Well, they don’t want and don’t need to, they will buy the same "European" gas, only more expensive.

[atamankko]

Kiev has long forgotten what is true,
but they can dictate prices and not repay debts,
let them continue to jump, no discounts.

[rus-5819]

“We don’t think so. Yesterday in the German market (NCG hub) the price for July, for example, was below $ 173. Therefore, under such conditions, we will not buy gas from Gazprom at all. We will buy all the necessary gas in the European market. Fortunately, now we have no problems, "
Immediately a joke:
Two convicts are sitting in the cell, and one of them received a parcel of fat.
Companion: - Let's play in the market? How much fat do you have?
- Two hundred rubles a slice.
-And cheaper?
-And cheaper, go around the market, maybe you'll find it!

PS That's how it is with Naftani. Let them walk around the market, but still, one way or another, our gas will be bought. Just not to cheapen.

[potapych]

why Ukrainians gas, they have firewood for tonsils

[Zomanus]

Okay, even if we go to meet the non-brothers ...
Pay them is what? They bought reverse gas for a loan.
Chet, I doubt that Europe will give them credit in order
that they would give it to Russia for gas.

[Evil 55]

Well, don’t need it, it’s not necessary .. Winter is just around the corner, in a month it will be necessary to fill in the underground gas storage again, and then it’s worth talking with UKRALINA ..

[mamont5]

"if Gazprom does not reduce it, then Naftogaz will buy blue fuel in Europe without any problems."

So what's the problem? Why not buy? Or the settlement with the EU is not hanging noodles on the ears of your population? When calculating, for some reason, other figures come out.

[t118an]

"Well, take me!" Lithuania again asked under the wing of Gazprom
Mom, I'm all wallowing)))
Lithuania came to the realization that ties with Gazprom needed to be restored.

http://eer.ru/a/article/u123253/12-06-2016/52366

[erik cartman]

Quote: Russian German

I think that such an answer will be correct.

There is no gas, you are holding on. A good mood for you, most importantly health. Meet me next spring if you survive the winter.