Abkhazian Prime Minister: we will not hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation, “we have a different situation”

Sukhum will not follow South Ossetia’s example and will not hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation, since the Abkhaz people want to build an independent state, reports RIA News Statement by the Prime Minister of the Republic Arthur Mikvabiya.

“The motives of Tskhinval are clear. Ossetians are a divided people, some now live in Russia, some in South Ossetia. Therefore, there is a desire to reunite. We have a different situation. We want to be an independent state and at the same time a reliable and loyal ally of Great Russia. We deserve our independence, we have given thousands of lives for her best sons and daughters ",

said Mikvabiya.

The agency recalls that "a referendum in South Ossetia will be held in 2017, the corresponding statement was signed earlier by the President of the Republic Leonid Tibilov and Parliament Speaker Anatoly Bibilov."

Both republics declared their independence in August 2008 after the war unleashed by the Georgian government against Tskhinval.

Their sovereignty was recognized by the Russian Federation, Nicaragua, Venezuela and Nauru.

Comments

[lukke]

Well then - the choice of the people must be respected.

[ALABAY45]

We want to be an independent state ... I agree! Note the time ...

[Corporal Valera]

people want to build an independent state

Before building a state, the Abkhaz people would do well to build at least something. Well, or at least take out the garbage from the yards and insert windows in Soviet high-rise buildings

[midivan]

Quote: Corporal Valera

people want to build an independent state

Before building a state, the Abkhaz people would do well to build at least something. Well, or at least take out the garbage from the yards and insert windows in Soviet high-rise buildings

yeah still those hard workers

[x.andvlad]

That is why independent Abkhazia is better for Russia, since the restoration of its economy would put a burden on the budget of Russia. And so let them earn and recover on their own. How can we help. Well, the rest, excuse me.

[Bayonet]

Quote: x.andvlad

That is why independent Abkhazia is better for Russia, since the restoration of its economy would put a burden on the budget of Russia.

If Abkhazia becomes part of Russia, Moscow will immediately buy everything up and begin to command, and the small but proud people want to live by their own rules and laws.

[x.andvlad]

So I do not mind, dear.

[gavrosh.ru]

you can buy something if you only sell it - everything else is not legal. when Ardzinbe heard St. Petersburg bought .... right now I do not know. my parents bought a house for ridiculous papers there in 90 (there weren’t others) - I think it’s necessary to decide through Noriega to register, it’s the most understandable and it’s cheaper to fly than to Nauru

[Bayonet]

Quote: gavrosh.ru

you can buy anything if you only sell

We were there in 2011, in New Athos. I saw abandoned rest houses and sanatoriums. I ask the locals how it is so, why they don’t restore it, it's the same bonanza! They explained to me - they don’t have their money, but the law does not allow strangers to sell. Here you go
By the way, the ride on a trolleybus to Sukhumi cost 3 rubles, they said recently it has risen in price! I was stunned and did not even ask how much it was before the rise in price

[Reserve officer]

The independence of tiny territories now? Oh well...
True independence implies self-sufficiency. In all other cases, "independence" is a kind of dependency. Or complete vassalage.
And Abkhazia has only three options - either with Russia, or with China, or with the United States.

[sclerosis]

No, not with China (with the United States - in the future, maybe), but with Turkey. The Abkhaz have recently had very close relations with the Turks. This is the reason for their desire for so-called "independence".

[RUSS]

Quote: sclerosis

. Recently, Abkhazians have had very close relations with the Turks.

Can you give an example?

[Bayonet]

Quote: RUSS

Can you give an example?

Smuggled Turkish beer was drinking there, I must say not bad!

[gavrosh.ru]

is there good beer in turkey?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Bayonet

Smuggled Turkish beer was drinking there, I must say not bad!

Cons from angry teetotalers or jingoistic patriots? On the first, the word "beer" acts like a red rag on a bull, on the second - "Turkey"
I liked the beer!

[demchuk.ig]

Quote: Reserve officer

In all other cases, "independence" is a kind of dependency. Or complete vassalage.

What is wrong with Abkhazia? Everything is like a blueprint - "We are independent, but the grandmother go ahead!"

[brisk]

Quote: Reserve officer

The independence of tiny territories now? Oh well...
True independence implies self-sufficiency. In all other cases, "independence" is a kind of dependency. Or complete vassalage.
And Abkhazia has only three options - either with Russia, or with China, or with the United States.

Oh well. Singapore, Brunei, Malta --- very large territories? What does it mean either with the USA or with the Russian Federation? The USA that directly and feed Puerto Rico for sankyu? Or do they still work for themselves?

[katalonec2014]

I respect the choice, but not the words at whose expense the banquet?

[Dam]

And if you stop feeding?

[Bayonet]

Quote: Damm

And if you stop feeding?

Do you feed them? Our vacationers - yes. Citrus fruits, nuts and the like that they bring to our markets - yes.

[Patriot2012]

70% of the budget of Abkhazia is the money of Russia
http://www.kavkaz-uzel.ru/articles/275201/

[Edvagan]

for God's sake. Why should we take pensions and social programs of Abkhazia? Allies, yes, and money apart. Well, if only a little help or a low interest loan.

[Bath]

how long ? before the next Georgians ’action and then a part fights and the masses in the Krasnodar Territory tusyut at the markets help the Russian brother angry Kartvels

[Verdun]

Quote: lukke

Well - you have to respect the choice of the people

The main thing is that the prime minister does not confuse the opinion of the people with his own. This also happens. And just to clarify the true state of things, a referendum is being held.

[lukke]

The main thing is that the prime minister does not confuse the opinion of the people with his own. This also happens. And just to clarify the true state of things, a referendum is being held.

Those who wanted to leave Abkhazia for work or permanent residence - left. The local majority is very afraid of losing everything of theirs because of the arrival of moneybags from Russia, and for this they have very strict legislation for foreigners. And given the mentality, they are now satisfied with everything: the threat from Georgia is not fatal now, with Russia, too, everything is fine. So the people live without straining themselves and without demanding much from the resort guests for their "Spartan" service. I repeat once again - they are satisfied with this swamp ...

[Verdun]

Quote: lukke

Once again I repeat - they are satisfied with this swamp ...

Somehow you painfully resolutely make statements for all the people of Abkhazia. Maybe it's still worth asking? Suddenly they know better?))

[andranick]

Quote: Verdun

Somehow you painfully resolutely make statements for all the people of Abkhazia.

This is rather not a statement, but a conclusion. And I personally agree with this conclusion as a whole, but why this is happening and how polls are here is a field for a separate discussion.

[lukke]

Somehow you painfully resolutely make statements for all the people of Abkhazia. Maybe it's still worth asking? Suddenly they know better?))

Come, ask around, I'm only "For"))
P.S. I personally like both options: independence or as part of Russia. I want much more to reunite with Transnistria and some regions of Ukraine. Still, the Abkhaz for me is a little further mentally than part of the fragments of Russia have not yet returned home.

[Talgat]

and it is true. What do most Abkhazians have Russian citizenship? Then it doesn’t matter if they are separate or not.

The second option is when passions subside and it will be possible to bargain with the "world government" - to accept them eventually not into the Russian Federation, but into the Eurasian Union. And you can do the same with other unrecognized ones

[Bayonet]

Quote: Verdun

Maybe it's still worth asking? Suddenly they know better?))

Go there "by the seas" and the locals will tell you what they want. I was there.

[KyrisAlive]

Are you sure that you need to impose sanctions, declare the government non-democratic, report violations of human rights and declare the separatists

[KyrisAlive]

Lord, how many people with an "alternative" sense of humor, if jokes are more complicated than a full house and a distorting mirror do not understand.

[TsUS-Air Force]

correct koment. of course it’s a pity, but well, we must respect the choice of the people ....

[Verdun]

Quote: NOC-VVS

correct koment. of course it’s a pity, but well, we must respect the choice of the people ....

So the opinion of the people is precisely the results of the referendum. It is they, and not the statements of one, albeit a respected representative of the authorities. And if the Prime Minister has such confidence in his people, there is no reason to fear voting.

[Putinets]

No, this is the choice of local "oligarchs" who do not want to share with our "nouveau riches"

[Dry_T-50]

Quote: Putin

No, this is the choice of local "oligarchs" who do not want to share with our "nouveau riches"

And in the Donbass, what else? DPR / LPR is the result of the fact that the Donbass oligarchs lost influence at the national level, that's all

[weksha50]

"We want to be an independent state and at the same time a reliable and loyal ally of Great Russia"...

They have the right ... Only Georgia, Ukraine and the USA with their jackals will be against ...

It’s good that we have borders with Abkhazia, and not like in Transnistria ...

[RUSS]

Quote: weksha50

It’s good that we have borders with Abkhazia, and not like in Transnistria ...

This is the essence, if Transnistria would have been cut off, then the conversation was different.

[Engineer]

We are an independent, independent state on the board! But we all have Russian passports, therefore Russians are obliged, of course, to flee at the first call to save their citizens in another independent state. Good position.

[Stirbjorn]

and pensions pay their pensioners

[RUSS]

Quote: Stirbjorn

and pensions pay their pensioners

Pensions are paid only to Russian citizens

[Corporal Valera]

Quote: RUSS

Pensions are paid only to Russian citizens

Quote: Engineer

But we all have Russian passports,

[RUSS]

Quote: Corporal Valera

Quote: RUSS

Pensions are paid only to Russian citizens

Quote: Engineer

But we all have Russian passports,

Tupnyak or what? Russian pensions in Abkhazia are received only by people of retirement age for whom RUSSIAN CITIZENSHIP!

[Stirbjorn]

Quote: RUSS

Tupnyak or what? Russian pensions in Abkhazia are received only by people of retirement age for whom RUSSIAN CITIZENSHIP!

which in fact are Abkhazians - everyone probably has Russian citizenship there, as in South Ossetia, because they are not recognized by anyone other than the Russian Federation

[Executer]

Well, well ... Have you read about Israel the other day?

[Lieutenant Izhe]

The Abkhaz region of the Krasnodar Territory announced its of independence ! ...
Dates overeat che-li ("special-toilet sityovina") or decided to play "king of the hill" with Putin?

[andranick]

no, medlars

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Lieutenant Izhe

The Abkhaz region of the Krasnodar Territory declared its independence ..

Moscow says EARLY!

[Lieutenant Izhe]

Moscow says EARLY!

and not easier IMMEDIATELY "under the Crimea-Donbass" also "sanctioned" for South Ossetia + Abkhazia, than to stretch this "pleasure" for Russia for many years?

[pilot8878]

Quote: Lieutenant Izhe

and not easier IMMEDIATELY "under the Crimea-Donbass" also "sanctioned" for South Ossetia + Abkhazia, than to stretch this "pleasure" for Russia for many years?

No, not easier. As soon as they start talking about the abolition of the shares, our people will immediately accept Abkhazia, so, you see, they will again extend it for another year or two.

[Sergej1972]

Apparently, the Abkhaz do not want to in the Russian Federation, either sooner or later.

[RUSS]

Quote: Lieutenant Izhe

Dates overeat

Mandarin oranges

[bad]

Abkhazian Prime Minister: we will not hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation, “we have a different situation”

... as you like, and be your way .. just do not ask for help often ..

[Lieutenant Izhe]

... as you like, and be your way .. just do not ask for help often ..

so THIS "premiere" statement was made after Moscow's REFUSAL "to give the Abkhaz lave a paw"

[dmikras]

Why ask?
Who guards the border?
Whose 4000 bayonets are in Gadaut?

[Damask]

Just the center gave the go-ahead and that's it

[3officer]

Nobody argues with the statehood of Abkhazia, but .. Independence implies responsibility. One of the main types of income of the republic is the tourism sector, and there is work to do there. The service and the services provided are, to put it mildly, not ideal. As if .. you need not only to profit from tourists, but also invest in infrastructure, and not take everything for granted.

[Des10]

Well, why laugh, all their independence is on money and support (now from us, maybe Turkey).
But - independence defended, well done (with our help and our neighbors).

[mamont5]

Quote: ALABAY45

We want to be an independent state ... I agree! Note the time ...

Yes, to health. Abkhazians, of course, have more opportunities than South Ossetia. Let them try.

[ALABAY45]

And, in fact, what are the hidden opportunities of the Abkhaz ?! Adjika, in composition, seems to be the same everywhere .... Or, is there "know-how" ?!

[vanavatny]

in the ability to still hide them no matter how hot or cold

[Dry_T-50]

Quote: ALABAY45

And, in fact, what are the hidden opportunities of the Abkhaz ?! Adjika, in composition, seems to be the same everywhere .... Or, is there "know-how" ?!

Access to the sea

[Bayonet]

Quote: ALABAY45

And, actually, in what, are such hidden opportunities of the Abkhazians ?! Adjika, in composition, seems to be the same everywhere ..

The sea!

[anfil]

Yes, God forbid such neighbors grow, rodents at one time also asked to be part of Russia, let it be "independent", otherwise in about eleven years later they will not like it again, they will decide to disconnect again.

[Patriot 771]

Some more self-determining for the time being when neither eat nor sred..t will be nothing + in power will be a couple of "ukroukolotye" dreamers or traitors. You should not expect gratitude from anyone who lives next to us. Dulles process started. In the current situevina, forget about them for a while until they are dumbfounded, and look at the sector 360 degrees. ENEMY AT THE GATE !!!

[andranick]

Stop the panic!
Residents of Abkhazia at the household level have a very friendly attitude towards the residents of Russia (and whoever thinks differently gets pills from their own people), are grateful to Basayev (but nothing more!) And are slightly offended by the Russian Federation as a state. This position is justified, everything has its own reasons. And your position about "good neighbors" in relation to Abkhazia is not correct.

[black]

Statement for internal use. Can you imagine what will happen to those respected "we thieves" who are on the embankment of Sukhumi, playing backgammon all day? It is inconvenient to get it, yes.

[AlexTires]

Well done, th ... Salvage from Russia norms are being pumped, and everyone is shouting for independence, they won’t live without us for a year. While Putin’s folder allows, let’s show off further look ...

[shura7782]

Everything that happens is quite expected. I think that the question of the order of accession to the Russian Federation in Moscow has long been resolved. The pause has been sustained. The moment chosen (in the US election) is favorable. Abkhazia is next in line.
But then!

[Sergej1972]

For the most part, Abkhazians really do not want either return to Georgia or joining the Russian Federation. They really want independence, in alliance with the Russian Federation, about not in its composition. Anyone who has more or less studied the history of Abkhazia for the past 10-15 years should know this.

[Bulrumeb]

We want to be an independent state and at the same time a reliable and loyal ally of Great Russia.

Another one is trying to eat a fish and ... sit down and ride a bike

[red joni]

we must respect the decision of the Abkhaz people and help them in building the state since we are on friendly terms with them. And then they have access to the sea so that everything is possible.

[Bath]

Let them somehow build their proud and independent state with us there is nothing to keep their citizens with freebies, I hope there will no longer be

[Signaller]

In their situation, I personally did not twitch. They live for now, do not bother. And there where the curve will lead. What referendum ??? - Ox. Do not be dashing while quiet.

[Dry_T-50]

What kind of Russian world are we talking about, even if such a violent reaction takes place on the desire of their allies not to integrate fully in the Russian Federation?

[cap]

Quote: Sukhoy_T-50

What kind of Russian world are we talking about, even if such a violent reaction takes place on the desire of their allies not to integrate fully in the Russian Federation?

As soon as the standard of living in Russia becomes higher, everyone who wants the best for themselves, and children, will be drawn.
There was a distribution in the union, Abkhazians traveled on tangerines, Georgians on wine and tea, but now is not the time. Hence and twisted.
Wait and see. The leaders will sit down on American grants, the situation will repeat the Georgian one.
That something like this.

[sherp2015]

Quote: cap

As soon as the standard of living in Russia becomes higher, everyone who wants the best for themselves, and children, will be drawn.

Do you believe this under the current government and system? Oligarchs slave owners think differently

[faiver]

maybe because they live at the expense of Russia? :)

[megafair]

Notice when they want to know the opinion of the people - they are holding a referendum! And in this situation

Quote: Arthur_Mikvabiya

will not hold a referendum on joining the Russian Federation, since the Abkhaz people want to build an independent state

Because it is precisely the leadership and elites of the country who want it, no one is going to ask the people and they talk about it openly. Time will show what the people really think and want.

[Haloperidol]

Well, since the Russian Federation should stop protecting Abkhazia and give it money from the budget of the Russian Federation ... Independent and proud states should feed and protect themselves, at their own expense ... At the same time, it is time to ban dual citizenship in the Russian Federation ...

[Yak28]

That Abkhazia, that South Ossetia are subsidized regions that will only spend money, the people of Abkhazia and South Ossetia will not go to work in factories, they will not work as locksmiths, mechanics, science there is also not advanced. They will engage in speculation and crime, like others peoples of the Caucasus. These are obviously two problematic regions that I would not be in a hurry to drag into the Russian Federation. If self-sufficient developed states such as Finland were asked to join Russia, I was not against

[Bath]

I'm afraid Finland will be against

[Lekov L]

the people of Abkhazia and South Ossetia will not go to work for factories, they will not work as mechanics, mechanics, science is also not advanced there. They will be engaged in speculation and crime, like other peoples of the Caucasus

Not that I disagree, just against your statement.
I didn’t communicate with the Abkhazians very much, although I live nearby, and the Ossetians are, in the first place, Orthodox Christians (at least in our churches), and secondly, they are very hardworking and decent people.
Judging by your post, I was lucky, but you are not.
But I have not met other Ossetians.
Difficult, proud men, but very decent.
What is northern, what is southern.
Not like some other "persons of Caucasian nationality".
Although I have a lot of familiar "other" sane.
But not all
Good luck and respectfully.

[Skubudu]

Abkhazia is a buffer; in the future it will be a battlefield between Russia and Turkey.
It’s better to fight in the territory of Abkhazia than in Adler ... I don’t want my house to suffer)

[31R-US]

And I do not want the Abkhazian house to suffer, although I have never been there.

[dmikras]

I also do not want the people of Abkhazia to suffer because I was there (albeit on vacation)

[unsinkable]

There is an old joke. * Meeting. The chairman says: * There are two questions on the agenda: 1st — building a barn. 2nd — building communism. Since we don’t have a damn to build a barn, we proceed to building communism. * It looks like situation in Abkhazia. On the basis of what will they build independence? On the basis of what economy? Full zero. Not dependent or dependent, they are still on Russia’s neck. I don’t want to believe that this game is in order to get over to the Turks.

[Yak28]

The Caucasus republics are a black hole that Russia feeds, their citizens legally, and in most cases do not work very well in Russia and send money to their homes, mainly Russia buys their fruits, wines and other crap, Russia forgives debts, Russia gives loans. If Russia suddenly refuses to help these republics, sends their citizens to their home, then either terrorists will come there or Turkey will start to support them. Turkey is not Russia and the burden of Caucasian state formations cannot be pulled by the Turks, the navel will be torn And if terrorists come there and at least once shoot in the direction of the Russian border guards, then these lands can be captured without a twinge of conscience. The USSR, as we know, fell apart, maybe it's time to take leeches from Russia

[dauria]

The USSR, as we know, fell apart, maybe it's time to take leeches from Russia

Of course, it's time ... Let's start from Moscow?

Ugh, you forgot that, according to statistics, Moscow is the most profitable region, it feeds all of Russia.

[Denis Skiff]

and it’s enough for us to get along with our neighbors

[Vladimir61]

He said, and said. But, for Russia, the paths of relations in the field of economics should be understood - friendship is friendship, and money apart!

[Chulman]

What would be ... all independent at the expense of others !!! Well, and how long will their independence last without Russia?

[Prisoner]

Maybe I'm wrong, but it seems that the Kremlin advised the Abkhazians not to rush.

[then]

I am still waiting for the "Belarusian narod" to refuse to reunite with Russia. Otherwise, everyone will be reunited, reunited ... they will soon join NATO. I do not like sly ones.

[sherp2015]

Quote: sedan

I am still waiting for the "Belarusian narod" to refuse to reunite with Russia. Otherwise, everyone will be reunited, reunited ... they will soon join NATO. I do not like sly ones.

Well, I found cunning!
Cunningbirds are macaws

[chunga-changa]

In fact, Abkhazia is a customs hole on our border. And from this "independent leadership" is fed. They would also like to join, such a feeder will disappear.

[eugene]

To be a vassal of Russia, or a tsar at home? Do you feel the difference? Moreover, who knows her ...

[iv.ionov]

Quote: Edvagan

Why should we take pensions and social programs of Abkhazia? Allies, yes, and money apart.

Yes, our dooooobry and they will receive pensions and allowances to pay, as with Israel they signed papers so that they would pay pensions who left the country since 1992 !!!!

[eugene]

And who is the other way around?