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Mad march on Russia (Arbejderen, Denmark)

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Mad march on Russia (Arbejderen, Denmark)


If a big war begins in Europe, it is likely that atomic weapon. And who will pay for all this? Will it be Baltic, Poland or Scandinavia?

We are now closer to a big war in Europe than after the end of the Second World War more than 70 years ago. And this is at a time that began with dreams of the global community after the end of the cold war in 1989.

Democrats are not those who are good, but republicans are not those who are evil, as the Scandinavians often think.

Russians and other peoples of the Soviet Union opened their arms to the West and its ideologies. Even when NATO began to expand eastward, including the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, we talked about growing stability and peace. But this time has passed irrevocably. There are many alarming things:

March to Russia

First, since the end of World War II, there have never been so many military vehicles and soldiers not only near Russia, but also right on the border with it. Not surprisingly, the Germans refused to send soldiers to the Baltic States.

We may have been forgotten in the West, and the Russians remember that the armies of Nazi Germany invaded, following this path, and killed up to 27 millions of people.

Secondly: cruise missiles or ballistic missiles can be placed on ships in the Baltic Sea or in other places close to the Russian border. This is the result of George Bush withdrawing from the Treaty on the Limitation of the 2002 Missile Defense Systems of the Year.

The terrible danger associated with cruise missiles is that they can strike at St. Petersburg in less than five minutes. Those who possess atomic weapons can harbor the illusion that so-called defensive missiles can neutralize Russian strategic nuclear missiles and thus eliminate mutual deterrence.

So, there is speculation that NATO could win the nuclear war with Russia. The temptation to commit an attack can be great. But in the real world this is precisely an illusion. Russian weapons systems are much more modern than, for example, Iraqi ones.

Third: diplomatic ties between Russia and the West are below the freezing point. Amazingly, Democratic President Obama could plunge Europe into such a dangerous position.

Republican Ronald Reagan took steps to begin negotiations with Gorbachev on disarmament in the second half of the eighties. And Democrat John F. Kennedy (John F. Kennedy) was close to unleashing a nuclear war, because the Soviet Union installed missiles within 1962 miles in Cuba in 90 year.

And today, Republican Donald Trump (Donald Trump) asks why the United States has waged so many wars in the world, and why the United States has bad relations with Russia. I want to especially emphasize that Trump's question is acceptable to me, although I do not support this person.

Democrats are not good, but Republicans are evil, as the Scandinavians often think.

Now we need to ask the following question: how did European countries allow themselves to be harnessed into a cart, which is solely controlled by the USA with its global interests?

The United States views Russia and China as countries that, if not threaten the United States, then, in any case, seriously question the status of the United States as a hegemon in the world. If we start a big European war, then, in all likelihood, nuclear weapons will be used. And who will pay for all this? Will it be Baltic, Poland or Scandinavia?

Everything becomes even more grotesque if you look at the rationale for this situation. Russia is an aggressor, Putin is crazy, we read in newspapers and books and see in the programs with which TV bomb us.

But what exactly justifies the risk to which our entire physical existence is exposed? Ukraine is a special case. During the elections in 2010 and 2012, the majority there voted for politicians who opposed this country's membership in NATO. Crimea all the time since 1992, was dissatisfied with the fact that it is part of Ukraine. Nothing indicates that Russia wants to attack the Baltic States.

Russians feel trapped. In this situation, anything can happen.
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  1. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 13 June 2016 05: 43
    +24
    This "march" will end quickly as soon as we stamp our feet well! This bunch of unafraid boys will scatter like a pack of mad dogs. And then high-tech technology will join the battle. As soon as the West smells its death, they will immediately begin to sign peace treaties. This is a likely scenario for such stupid NATO actions.
    1. Kostyar
      Kostyar 13 June 2016 06: 17
      +96
      Crazy March to Russia

      Duck shout out loud, stop this madness in the American way, the USA spat on you and yours and ours! The more Us and you die, the better It is (USA) !!! They plan to watch from the side, with popcorn and a hamburger on the TV ...?! Here they are, vile and vile ............
      1. Enot-poloskun
        Enot-poloskun 13 June 2016 08: 23
        +12
        Obama went camping.
        Forgot to put on my pants ...
        And without pants, what a hike?
        Mosquitoes bite ...


        I am sure that common sense will triumph in Geyropa ... None of the Europeans want to die in the snowy expanses of Russia. And no one wants Europe to become a nuclear ashes.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 08: 26
          +33
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          I’m sure that common sense in Geyrop will still triumph.

          Are there any prerequisites?
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          None of the Europeans wants to die in the snowy expanses of Russia

          That she didn’t see the thousandth marches with posters - NO WARRIOR.
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          And no one wants Europe to become a nuclear ashes

          Yes, they do not care.
          1. vlad-58
            vlad-58 13 June 2016 09: 34
            +15
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            That she didn’t see the thousandth marches with posters - NO WARRIOR.

            ... But there are Eurofans from Poland, England and France, wiping the ass with the Russian flag ... and trampling it in public!
            ... the premise, however!
            1. Enot-poloskun
              Enot-poloskun 13 June 2016 11: 33
              +19
              Our fans have already beaten the English. 200 people against thousands of English fans. Are the Poles next in line?
              1. 341712
                341712 13 June 2016 18: 54
                +6
                Quote: Enot-poloskun
                Our fans have already beaten the English.

                Yes, we didn’t beat them ... so, a little bit of a bow)))
              2. iliitchitch
                iliitchitch 13 June 2016 23: 28
                +3
                Quote: Enot-poloskun
                Our fans have already beaten the English. 200 people against thousands of English fans. Are the Poles next in line?


                Well, what kind of fighters do they have? We sat at home, girls.
          2. andj61
            andj61 13 June 2016 20: 41
            +3
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            then she didn’t see thousandth marches with posters -NO WARRIOR.

            And I saw - in the 80s, just when the Americans wanted to place Pershing-2 and ground-based axes there.
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 13 June 2016 13: 10
          +5
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          I’m sure that common sense in Geyrop will still triumph ...

          All over Europe, one can hear heart-rending cries that Russia is asleep and sees them seize and destroy. Just remember the story of the Crimea and the "polite people" ... what fear the mattresses and the European media bought by them have caught up with the European layman. And this informational pressure does not subside. Information war, you know.

          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          .None of the Europeans wants to die in the snowy expanses of Russia.

          Europeans are digging kilometer-long ditches along the border with the Russian Federation, allowing them to deploy anti-missile defense elements on their territory, as well as hosting a mattress military contingent, regularly conducting exercises near the borders of Russia ... they don’t think about attacking, but defend themselves against the Russian threat that they inspired mattresses.
          At the same time, the same EuroPro complexes are easily made defensive with offensive weapons.
          Quote: Enot-poloskun
          And no one wants Europe to become a nuclear ashes.

          Are you sure? I believe that even this arrangement is acceptable for mattresses. It’s of little concern for a large puddle.
        3. The stranger
          The stranger 13 June 2016 19: 07
          +1
          With the current generation of politicians, this is an obscurity. The only hope is that European nations begin to sober up. But it will take some time.
        4. Ivan52
          Ivan52 13 June 2016 22: 01
          +6
          Gays and empty-bellied lesbians Kanslerin, common sense can not be from birth, they are building an iron curtain, I think they need help in this.
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 13 June 2016 08: 44
        +11
        We may have been forgotten in the West, and the Russians remember that the armies of Nazi Germany invaded, following this path, and killed up to 27 millions of people.

        That's the same thing I said to the Germans. When I lived in Germany. We lost a lot of people in that war. Now it’s Europe’s turn. To grab the whole bowl of losses. Or does someone think that the states will "fit" for Europe?
      3. Air defense SSH
        Air defense SSH 13 June 2016 11: 50
        +3
        But interesting article is a translation into Russian ?! I hope he wrote (the author) in his native or English language. We all understand, but in Europe?
      4. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 13 June 2016 13: 49
        +6
        The amers just didn’t even realize that they would snatch only forty-five minutes later than Europe, if there was a real war.
        1. Vanko
          Vanko 13 June 2016 18: 19
          +10
          Quote: sharp-lad
          The amers just didn’t even realize that they would snatch only forty-five minutes later than Europe, if there was a real war.


          Flight time is twenty-five minutes. This is together with preparation and decision making. From launch to undermining 18 - 20 minutes ...
      5. kodxnumx
        kodxnumx 13 June 2016 20: 06
        +1
        A man truly speaks, and why you want to live, they stick out and write the right things, who prevented them from writing correctly, but looked and walked weakly, otherwise they forgot the Russians weakly to check for themselves! That’s why they came to their senses.
      6. Ivan52
        Ivan52 13 June 2016 21: 44
        +1
        The fact is that in this case you can only spit on the fan, whether the spit will reach him, but you’ll be sure in your bucket.
    2. subbtin.725
      subbtin.725 13 June 2016 06: 19
      +25
      The Yankees have approached the red line. Council - do not wake the Russian "bear". More or less adequate people in the West feel that they are no longer up to jokes. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is sending non-ambiguous signals that Russia will not retreat anymore. We are the truth.
      1. smith7
        smith7 13 June 2016 11: 56
        +5
        Quote: subbtin.725
        The Yankees have approached the red line. Council - do not wake the Russian "bear". More or less adequate people in the West feel that they are no longer up to jokes. The Ministry of Foreign Affairs is sending non-ambiguous signals that Russia will not retreat anymore. We are the truth.


        Alas, yours, no doubt, will not hear the most useful advice. Across the ocean, far from the realities of war on its territory. They do not know that war is a great sorrow. For the sake of profit and ambition, they can unleash the hot phase of the ongoing 3rd World War.
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 06: 24
      +6
      Quote: dchegrinec
      This "march" will end quickly as soon as we stamp our feet well! This bunch of unafraid boys will scatter like a pack of mad dogs.

      The last time we stamped our feet and it cost us 27 million lives.
      Quote: dchegrinec
      . And then high-tech equipment will enter the battle.

      Yeah, cool, only 15 minutes later, after that - the living will begin to envy the dead.
      Quote: dchegrinec
      .As soon as the West smells its death, they will immediately begin signing peace treaties.

      When did the West sign such treaties in history?
      1. region58
        region58 13 June 2016 06: 28
        +7
        Quote: dchegrinec
        This "march" will end quickly as soon as we stamp our feet well!

        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        The last time we stamped our feet and it cost us 27 million lives.

        It will not be fast or easy.
        From the memoirs of the veterans of the Patriotic War:
        One of the most common misconceptions then was that it was not for long that the war would end soon, that we would completely defeat the Nazis from day to day ... But then the funeral began to come: one, two, three ...

        Took from here: http: //obeda.ekaterinburg.rf/%D0%BD%D0%BE%D0%B


        2%D0%BE%D1%81%D1%82%D0%B8/7790
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 07: 08
          +4
          Quote: region58
          One of the most common misconceptions then was that it was not for long that the war would end soon, that we would completely defeat the Nazis from day to day ... But then the funeral began to come: one, two, three ...

          Despite this, most of us have not learned anything from history. Just like 70 years ago, with a bayonet and a grenade, a little blood and foreign territories.
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            2. Amurets
              Amurets 13 June 2016 07: 40
              +16
              Quote: Alexander Romanov

              Despite this, most of us have not learned anything from history. Just like 70 years ago, with a bayonet and a grenade, a little blood and foreign territories.

              Quote: Damm
              Do you have another choice? The problem is that no one is going to talk to you. Either surrender and die in a concentration camp, or we will kill you. We forgot about the third way, we can still pile on

              Guys! You are both right. Novels that you should not engage in hatred work and do not underestimate the enemy
              Damm! And you are right that you can’t surrender. Even the weakest side wins the battle if it is psychologically aimed at victory.
              1. Max
                Max 13 June 2016 07: 46
                +11
                So much nuclear weapons have been accumulated. What a victory there may be. After World War 3, there will remain a world in which one cannot live.
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 07: 52
                  +9
                  Quote: Max
                  After World War 3, there will remain a world in which one cannot live.

                  Well, why not, you can, and even not bad. Not in a city, of course, in a village. Plant a potato, radish. Cities will be destroyed, because the Internet, TV and phone will not distract you from the beds and harvesting firewood.
                  Fallen women will disappear from the streets, the golden youth will be no different from ordinary people. But people lived in the 17th century without everything that surrounds you today and nothing.
                  1. 97110
                    97110 13 June 2016 10: 37
                    +6
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    People lived in the 17th century without everything

                    What, and the fallen women were not? And what were they? Something you scare us. I even opposed the war.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 15: 11
                      +1
                      Quote: 97110
                      What, and the fallen women were not?

                      There were no nuclear weapons
                  2. Air defense SSH
                    Air defense SSH 13 June 2016 12: 18
                    +5
                    What village with radish ?! A nuclear winter will come and radiation will spread around the world - in Soviet times, even the schools taught what the consequences of a nuclear war ...
                    Even if we assume that when we burn in nuclear fire we will not find a good reason to make a volley through the North Pole, America cannot hide from these consequences across the ocean ...
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 13: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Air Defense SVSh
                      ! Nuclear winter will come

                      This is in theory, in practice it may not be.
                      Quote: Air Defense SVSh
                      radiation around the world -

                      You know too little about nuclear weapons.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 13: 25
                        +7
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Quote: Air Defense SVSh
                        radiation around the world -
                        You know too little about nuclear weapons.

                        There are thousands of nuclear power plants and chemical plants in the world ... are you sure that some kind of ICBM will not get near or into the nuclear power plant? And now we recall Chernobyl, where ONE reactor failed ... there was a contamination of the area and it was would it be more if half of the ALL annual lead production in the USSR were not swelled into the sarcophagus. And if there are such reactors, God forbid, not one or two, in a nuclear conflict? Who will eliminate the consequences in these conditions?
                      2. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 15: 13
                        +1
                        Quote: NEXUS

                        In the world of thousands of nuclear power plants and chemical plants ...

                        Don’t hold it, do not rest.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        ? And now remember Chernobyl

                        Listen, you will study nuclear weapons a little, but forget about Chernobyl
                      3. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 15: 43
                        +4
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Don’t hold it, do not rest.

                        Pretty silly optimism. fool
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Listen, you will study nuclear weapons a little, but forget about Chernobyl

                        I studied that ... and you look at Chernobyl, I definitely forgot. Apparently they are either young enough to remember him, or blindly blind, convincing them to forget about that catastrophe.
                      4. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 15: 47
                        +1
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Pretty silly optimism.

                        True, do you have the best options? Maybe you are the Lord God and you can stop the warrior?
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        I studied

                        Who did you learn? Did you see a nuclear warhead in your eyes? Do you know the difference between the effects of pollution after an explosion at a station and a warhead?
                      5. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 16: 00
                        +3
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Do you know the difference between the effects of pollution after an explosion at a station and a warhead?

                        I’m trying to convey one simple thought to someone like you ... Along the nuclear power plant, there are chemical plants, laboratories with viruses that you and I haven’t even heard of. Further, there are thousands of burial grounds ...
                        Now for Chernobyl ... Dear theorist, in an accident at a nuclear power plant, the infection will be tens of times greater than from a nuclear strike. And the release of radioactive elements (chemical composition) will be completely different than from a nuclear explosion.
                        Do not be smart to sit.
                        Can you personally calculate how the planet will behave in the event of a massive nuclear bombing in a relatively short time?
                      6. The stranger
                        The stranger 14 June 2016 01: 02
                        +3
                        Simultaneous explosion of all nuclear charges in one place, throw the planet out of orbit. But it will change the total energy of the atphosphere (the most frail system on the planet, by the way), by only 6%. However, for a wild climate catastrophe, that's enough.
                        What will happen with large tectonic faults, or with large volcanoes when targeted for them, is still debated.
                        But one way or another, the current civilization will disappear. How many people will survive, and whether they can start all over again is also a question.
                      7. asiat_61
                        asiat_61 14 June 2016 01: 55
                        -3
                        You don’t know, Putin canceled the radiation? Here Romanov rejoices.
                      8. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 14 June 2016 08: 17
                        +1
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Dear theorist, in an accident at a nuclear power plant, the infection will be tens of times greater than from a nuclear strike. And the release of radioactive elements (chemical composition) will be completely different than from a nuclear explosion.

                        Well, you can, when you want.
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Can you personally calculate how the planet will behave in the event of a massive nuclear bombing in a relatively short time?

                        No one can calculate, but to build theories of the possible is a finger to the sky.
                      9. 97110
                        97110 13 June 2016 16: 02
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        I studied that ... and you, I look at Chernobyl, have definitely forgotten.

                        And what did you learn there so much from what you learned that we all now have to startle terribly? Especially about Chernobyl?
                      10. 97110
                        97110 13 June 2016 16: 00
                        -1
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        And now we recall Chernobyl, in which ONE reactor failed ... infection of the area took place

                        And how did this infection manifest? Symptoms of acute respiratory infections for 3 days. And that’s it. Enough already to talk about Chernobyl.
                      11. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 16: 05
                        +7
                        Quote: 97110
                        And how did this infection manifest? Symptoms of acute respiratory infections for 3 days. And that’s it. Enough already to talk about Chernobyl.

                        If it weren’t for the liquidators and the speed of evacuating the population, there would have been much more corpses. Thank the liquidators, who have survived once or twice, and have counted out.
                      12. Vanko
                        Vanko 13 June 2016 20: 45
                        +6
                        Nichrenas symptoms of acute respiratory infections ... Hundreds of people died. Of the liquidators in the sarcophagus, no one survived. Hundreds of people living in Pripyat died of cancer. My father was a liquidator, he was called up for military duties (he served in chemical forces), so six months later he arrived with bald spots on his head, his hair did not grow. And he wasn’t at the station itself, the surrounding villages were buried.
                      13. 97110
                        97110 13 June 2016 15: 58
                        +2
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        You know too little about nuclear weapons.

                        Judging by the cons, there are those who know. I once wrote that the only reasonable thing about this is written in the manual for the conduct of hostilities in conditions of radioactive contamination. And it is written that "during the conduct of hostilities in conditions of radioactive contamination, the dose of radiation received is not brought to the personnel."
                      14. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 16: 42
                        +2
                        the only reasonable thing about it is written
                        For after receiving a lethal dose (destroying cells of the intestinal epithelium), the carcass will live 3-4 days (on a mixture of drugs and antibiotics) And even complete the combat mission. And then nothing will save ...
                      15. Air defense SSH
                        Air defense SSH 13 June 2016 15: 59
                        +8
                        A little about myself - 25 years on average and a liquidator at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant ...
                        What is the spot cover after Chernobyl? And there was not a complete manifestation of all four of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion, and now imagine tens and hundreds.
                        Do not fantasize about a nuclear war, do not ...
                      16. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 16: 04
                        +7
                        Quote: Air Defense SVSh
                        A little about myself - 25 years on average and a liquidator at the Chernobyl nuclear power plant ...
                        What is the spot cover after Chernobyl? And there was not a complete manifestation of all four of the damaging factors of a nuclear explosion, and now imagine tens and hundreds.
                        Do not fantasize about a nuclear war, do not ...

                        I’m telling them about this! Despite the fact that they poured mountains of lead and concrete into ONE sarcophagus there. And in a nuclear war, with a similar catastrophe, no one will deal with liquidation, because they won’t.
                  3. Rakti-kali
                    Rakti-kali 13 June 2016 13: 04
                    +7
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Well, why not, you can, and even not bad. Not in a city, of course, in a village. Plant a potato, radish. Cities will be destroyed, because the Internet, TV and phone will not distract you from the beds and harvesting firewood.

                    Yeah, but they will be distracted by hungry herds of armed men of varying degrees, who personally will hang you a little, have your wife a little, and eat your potatoes and radishes a little bit. And yes, idyll and pastoral ...
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 13: 14
                      +2
                      Quote: Rakti-Kali
                      Yeah, but they will distract the hungry herds of armed men of varying degrees,

                      When threatened, the Russians unite. But in the USA, man is an enemy to man.
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 13 June 2016 16: 06
                        +1
                        Quote: Alexander Romanov
                        Quote: Rakti-Kali
                        Yeah, but they will distract the hungry herds of armed men of varying degrees,
                        When threatened, Russians unite. But in the USA, man is an enemy to man

                        I don’t like this book ... but it is said, IMHO, correctly:

                        Human nature cannot be altered; people are initially inherent in living in small gangs and sometimes cutting each other. Only real, full-sized power can clamp a person so that he throws his real habits and begins to go to work in a tie, obey his mother-in-law, and do other necessary nonsense ...

                        - the above is true regardless of nationality
                        - authorities, as such (even such as it is now wink ), of course, there will be nowhere to come from
                        - so, Alexander, an idyll is unlikely to succeed

                        IMHO yes
                      2. vandarus
                        vandarus 14 June 2016 13: 49
                        +1
                        Alexander Romanov, enough nonsense to carry. Do you have children? Judging by the posts, no.
                    2. 97110
                      97110 13 June 2016 16: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Rakti-Kali
                      who will personally be you

                      Well, this is when the ammo runs out ...
                    3. Anglorussian
                      Anglorussian 13 June 2016 16: 45
                      +1
                      have your wife a little bit,
                      If only Viagra in the amount of kilograms is not available. Radiation, she is so ...
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 14 June 2016 01: 00
                        +2
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        If only Viagra in the amount of kilograms is not available. Radiation, she is so ...

                        The main thing is that it does not fall off during an erection with a radioactive background once in 1000 exceeding the norm, as an unnecessary unit that has failed due to EMR. wassat
                      2. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 01: 02
                        0
                        The main thing is not to fall off during an erection
                        To Viagra, the glue must be saved, nuclear war after all.
                  4. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian 13 June 2016 16: 38
                    +2
                    , it’s possible and even not bad. Not in a city, of course, in a village. Plant a potato, radish
                    Just like in a cheap movie. Climatic changes will shock the biosphere so that lives will need to be re-taken into account.
                  5. andj61
                    andj61 13 June 2016 20: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    People lived in the 17th century without everything that surrounds you today and nothing.

                    Then the vast majority of the population could live like this - skillfully plow the land, grow food and care for cattle, build houses with just an ax and a saw, produce fabrics, shoes, clothes, etc. for themselves. Now practically nobody knows how to do this. And we will fall not in the 17th century, but immediately in the 1st. Now even fold the stove yourself - and that is the problem !.
              2. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 07: 54
                +4
                Quote: Amurets
                Even the weakest side wins the battle, if psychologically aimed at victory.

                The Germans in June 41 aimed to win. The soldiers argued among themselves how long the warrior lasted a month or three. But then. Something went wrong.
                Victory is certainly good, but its price can be very high.
                1. kit_bellew
                  kit_bellew 13 June 2016 08: 57
                  +9
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  The Germans in June 41 aimed to win. The soldiers argued among themselves how long the warrior lasted a month or three. But then. Something went wrong.

                  It was precisely the Germans that history then taught nothing. They thought that with songs under the harmonica on a tank, they would reach Moscow as much as Paris. But the bolt! We forgot how Bonaparte came to visit us with the same joke, and how he, the prankster, was cheated - that’s the result.
                2. voyaka uh
                  voyaka uh 13 June 2016 11: 13
                  +9
                  "The soldiers argued among themselves how long the warrior would last - a month or three" ////

                  These are the soldiers. The officers were in a different mood. Handbook
                  Wehrmacht officers was the book of one of Napoleon’s adjutant officers about the campaign of 1812. Where the campaign was described to the very end without embellishment. German officers understood that if the war did not end in border battles and Moscow was not captured until mid-autumn, then the campaign was lost.
                  But the military has an order, there is an order.
                  1. Alexander Romanov
                    Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 15: 58
                    +1
                    Quote: voyaka uh
                    The officers were in a different mood. Handbook
                    officers of the Wehrmacht was a book by one of Napoleon's adjutant officers about the campaign of 1812

                    All the officers were given this book, so what would they understand the futile soldiers? wassat
                    Dear, well, not funny.
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          2. Vladimirets
            Vladimirets 13 June 2016 07: 55
            +11
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Despite this, most of us have not learned anything from history.

            Why not taught? According to the comments of a dozen haters, one cannot judge everyone. request For example, I believe that from operations such as "Forcing Russia to Peace", "Tempest in a Glass", "Unapproachable Freedom", etc., the West is holding back only our nuclear weapons. In conventional weapons, we, unfortunately, lose if not qualitatively, it is stupidly quantitative.
            1. SRC P-15
              SRC P-15 13 June 2016 08: 01
              +9
              Now we need to ask the following question: how did European countries allow themselves to be harnessed into a cart, which is solely controlled by the USA with its global interests?

              Another victim of the womanizer thinks that he loves her, and the womanizer only has her. It is a pity that the EU countries, so far, have not understood this.
            2. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 08: 13
              +4
              Quote: Vladimirets
              According to the comments of a dozen haters, one cannot judge all

              Zhenya. Unfortunately there are not dozens of them.
              Quote: Vladimirets
              . In conventional weapons, we, unfortunately, lose, if not qualitatively, then stupidly quantitatively.

              Getting involved in an arms race is stupid, once already pulled in.
              1. Vladimirets
                Vladimirets 13 June 2016 08: 17
                +4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Getting involved in an arms race is stupid

                I absolutely agree, and we will not economically pull the creation of parity in conventional weapons. Therefore, it is necessary to develop strategic nuclear forces capable of any retaliatory strike with guaranteed overcoming of the existing and promising missile defense forces. Well, the sufficient availability of modern conventional weapons for local conflicts.
                1. 97110
                  97110 13 June 2016 10: 59
                  +6
                  Quote: Vladimirets
                  Therefore, the development of strategic
                  ideological forces. There is no answer in either nuclear or conventional weapons, because in a capitalist society EVERYTHING IS FOR SALE! We need a national idea, an ideology that will attract most of the world to Russia. We need an ideology of social justice. A pin. Dosov outbid when they poke money from our pockets? What, the USSR outbid? He propagandized the whole world. The idea of ​​robbing Russia is popular as long as Russia has the same society as theirs. Where man to man is a wolf. And to do, as was the case in the USSR, where man to man is brother? What would they believe? Need to hand over your own? They won’t believe otherwise. Yes, and we won’t believe it.
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian 13 June 2016 16: 48
                    0
                    And to do, as was the case in the USSR, where man to man is brother?
                    When the central authority of the USSR (along with himself) collapsed, the level of brotherhood was striking. Really, the lads were around ....
            3. 97110
              97110 13 June 2016 10: 48
              +5
              Quote: Vladimirets
              In conventional weapons, we, unfortunately, lose, if not qualitatively

              There is such a weapon - the WORD. Here we are losing outright, both qualitatively and quantitatively. One wedding for a lard of a non-Russian celestial can give 1917. Racing on Gelenede with the traffic police - is it like a TRP? Caliber, Armata ... Who will fight in the Soviet way? All spells about Russians who do not give up and do not give up are refuted by the history of 1917. Who is ready to die for Gutseriev? There are still some of them, freshly made father-in-law. Compete, who's cooler ass Zhenya Lopez for children will hire. For some reason, ours do not roll, although there are some pozhopisty in the villages. How the GDP will solve this issue, but it is ripe. It is necessary to "children" to the nail. And the security officials are scared. Suddenly He won't give up his. Here the guys are exchanging. In a peak position and an awful situation, we can hear: "We were betrayed !!!" Shoot the screamer? Or will we yell too?
          3. Azitral
            Azitral 13 June 2016 09: 15
            +5
            There may be such options: it will be very, very, very bad, but not for long. Or: the war will end quickly, but it won't get any easier. In general, neither you, nor I, nor Globa will say anything precise, too much has changed. Such a particular: even if the aircraft and engine-building plants are not burned down, the production of the F-16 will increase, say, three times. There is nothing and, most importantly, there is no one even in the USA. An even narrower place is the training of "supersonic" pilots. They are nowhere to be found, superfluous. And you cannot prepare it in a few months, as it was done because of the great trouble in the USSR, Japan and then in Germany. You cannot prepare from the word "at all". And the Sessna pilot is just as good for the F-16 as I am (not a pilot at all). Partly a return to the days of the knights, when, IN PRINCIPLE, few groups of very expensive fighters in the sky, in the sea, and now on the ground (remember the ammunition of the Merihyango in the Middle East, or "Warrior"), and all the rest are suitable for them only "for track lubrication ". When they kill each other, the war will jump back 50-60 years. But all this, of course, without a major nuclear war, and there is little hope for that.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 June 2016 10: 25
              +2
              In the most realistic scenario, the U.S. nuclear conflict of 1640 warheads against Russia, 1720 warheads will go from 30 minutes to 7 hours - whoever attacks first will have the advantage of inflicting more damage to the enemy, and the basic principle will remain the same - whoever shoots first will die second.
          4. vlad-58
            vlad-58 13 June 2016 09: 45
            +6
            Quote: Alexander Romanov
            Quote: region58
            One of the most common misconceptions then was that it was not for long that the war would end soon, that we would completely defeat the Nazis from day to day ... But then the funeral began to come: one, two, three ...

            Despite this, most of us have not learned anything from history. Just like 70 years ago, with a bayonet and a grenade, a little blood and foreign territories.

            ... taught!
            Taught that: if you want to avoid war - be ready for it! And to inform those who want a war with you! Show your willingness to win, and your willingness to die for victory!
            ... of course, it is insulting - to lose life, gadgets (iPhones, laptops, 150 television channels ... shows, pivasiks, sausages and other craps) ... But - ultimately, we will all be there! So at least to good use! Where ours didn’t disappear - why not here, in the trench or in the tank ... in the cockpit of a fighter ... in a battle with the Yankees ...
            Even the Japanese samurai have lost their readiness to give their lives, to die for the Cause, for the country; where is the "samurai spirit", the readiness for self-sacrifice? ... Oh, yes, you are on a diet, and you cut your finger ... and rubbed your leg ...
            ------
            ...something like this!
      2. faridg7
        faridg7 13 June 2016 12: 34
        +1
        Quote: Alexander Romanov

        Yeah, cool, only 15 minutes later, after that - the living will begin to envy the dead.

        Well, yes, if at the same time I survive, I will do everything so that the surviving Americans envy the dead. Although, a thought creeps in right there, so there are also children. To hell with them, you have to sort the population into military and children.
        1. Alexander Romanov
          Alexander Romanov 13 June 2016 12: 39
          0
          Quote: faridg7
          I’ll do everything to make the surviving Americans jealous of the dead.

          Do you serve in the Strategic Rocket Forces?
          1. faridg7
            faridg7 13 June 2016 22: 33
            0
            I am in reserve, I live near the West Knevichi airfield. So with a serious mess there is a risk of being among those who will be envied. But no, you’ll have to go to clean up the neighboring continent.
            1. Anglorussian
              Anglorussian 13 June 2016 22: 52
              0
              will have to go to clean up the neighboring continent.
              Where is gas from? And there will be no problems with transport?
              1. faridg7
                faridg7 14 June 2016 00: 39
                +1
                There will be a goal, we will look for a way. To look for a reason not to do this is not for us.
                1. Anglorussian
                  Anglorussian 14 June 2016 01: 05
                  0
                  There will be a goal
                  Heerdal went to America on a papyrus raft .. Without fuel .. This is for you to note.
                  1. faridg7
                    faridg7 14 June 2016 01: 21
                    0
                    Well, I can walk - the Bering Strait is only 50 km, but on the ice ...
                    1. Anglorussian
                      Anglorussian 14 June 2016 01: 58
                      0
                      The Bering Strait is only 50 km, but on the ice ...
                      Jack London respect?
                      1. faridg7
                        faridg7 14 June 2016 03: 06
                        0
                        Well, not the worst Englishman.
                      2. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 03: 37
                        0
                        Well, not the worst Englishman.
                        American. He very credibly described survival in the white desert. And you are directly subscribing to the march. Will you take the cap come with you.?
                      3. faridg7
                        faridg7 14 June 2016 07: 25
                        0
                        Mandatory. Just do not have to apply, we’ll manage the simpler.
        2. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 June 2016 13: 19
          +1
          If you survive, you will help the rest of the survivors, disassemble the rubble and eliminate the consequences.
          1. faridg7
            faridg7 13 June 2016 22: 35
            +1
            Well, this is possible until I get to the bottom of my arsenal.
        3. vlad-58
          vlad-58 13 June 2016 15: 54
          +1
          Quote: faridg7
          Although, a thought creeps in right there, so there are also children. To hell with them, you have to sort the population into military and children.

          And IM such a deep thought creeps into the brain? ... or what is there instead of it ...
          This is called "acceptable third-party losses", how! Not your losses, that is! The main thing is to name it correctly, and you are not a murderer of children, but a strategist wow! ...
          ... There is also a "high-precision weapon" - correctly aimed, it hits kindergartens, hospitals and hospitals, schools very accurately - high-precision so, once - and there is no whole class with children! It is also a "mass destruction" ...
          -----
          So: what is the question - such is the answer! Both the Lord and Allah will understand who is right, who is guilty; they have no tolerance in stock ...
      3. asiat_61
        asiat_61 14 June 2016 01: 50
        0
        The last time we stamped our feet and it cost us 27 million lives. // End of quote. Does Katz offer to give up?
    4. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 13 June 2016 07: 58
      +1
      Oh well! NATO is what you think is not frightening .. We forget that our capabilities are very far from the capabilities of the USSR, and to be the modern prince Menshikov (this is the one who promised Nikolai to throw his caps on the enemy before the battle of Balaklava) I do not recommend. We need time, and it is sorely lacking to raise the fleet and aviation (these are the forces where we have a clear minority) .. In general, small offended children stomp their feet ..
      Quote: dchegrinec
      This "march" will end quickly as soon as we stamp our feet well! This bunch of unafraid boys will scatter like a pack of mad dogs. And then high-tech technology will join the battle. As soon as the West smells its death, they will immediately begin to sign peace treaties. This is a likely scenario for such stupid NATO actions.
      1. Sharky
        Sharky 13 June 2016 08: 29
        +9
        As soon as the turmoil begins, which can lead to the third World War, many NATO countries will want to jump off the burning train of war. Most likely, the hegemon will incite one of the most rabid NATO countries against Russia to see what happens. Today it can be Turkey or one of the Baltic countries (it is not difficult to create a precedent, for example, the ambassador will be killed or the plane will land and Russia will be blamed). They will promise this country full support. As soon as Russia adequately responds to military actions against it, the hegemon will let all the dogs down, namely, he will force the rest of NATO members to defend the "innocent" member whom he has set on. And there will be a turning point, since all the "members" have lost their heads to the end, many (or not many) will merge. In the NATO camp, confusion and vacillation will begin. Many will understand that Russia will not be able to counter them with all conventional weapons and will pull the trigger of a nuclear strike. Not all "members" (not only all) will want to get a nuclear pill from the greyhound, hence the confusion. Russia will delay the delivery of a nuclear strike as long as possible, because after it has been delivered, the mattress mates will have an undeniable trump card due to a puddle: "Look, they used nuclear weapons, now we can and have the right to respond in kind!" So the third World War will begin as it seems to me. Mattress covers will dispose of "motivated members" to the last, and then they will look ... If Russia is still strong and has sufficient nuclear weapons potential, it will go to the world. If our country is badly battered and cannot adequately respond with a nuclear strike, they will finish us off with their nuclear weapons. Therefore, now everything depends on how many NATO countries will be ready to "plunge" into the war against us, and how many will want to stand on the sidelines. This is just my opinion.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 June 2016 13: 23
          0
          "Now everything depends on how many NATO countries will be ready to" plunge "into the war against us" - Answer zero.
        2. Mikhail3
          Mikhail3 13 June 2016 20: 01
          +2
          Quote: Sharky
          Therefore, now everything depends on how many NATO countries will be ready to "plunge" into the war against us, and how many will want to stand on the sidelines.

          I think there are options. A restart of capitalism is needed, since the capitalists do not want to abandon their system. For what? There are suckers! In general, it’s quite possible that we have a funeral service in Europe for dancing. We plow it as it should, turn it into glass. Who will suffer there? Yes all.
          But a nuclear war with the United States will not start from this. What for? In this way, the United States will remove a very unpleasant competitor, with whom it is forced to "befriend" with more and more efforts. There is not enough money for this "friendship"! Let us measure ourselves with strength and disperse. As compensation for the fact that an unpleasant and dirty story happened so close to us, we will take some land that we will not cultivate with care (by agreement).
          It turns out in the style of modern politics ...
      2. vlad-58
        vlad-58 13 June 2016 16: 05
        +2
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Oh well! NATO is what you think is not scary .. We forget that our capabilities are very far from the capabilities of the USSR,

        The only serious conflict after World War II, in which the countries of their camp participated, was the Falkland War! And even then - England was many times superior to Latinos technically and numerically (and even then - they almost lost! ...)
        In Vietnam - the US has done it in full; in the Middle East - they fought with the civilian population, supporting the "local partisans" - the progenitors of ISIS ...
        The West does not like to fight a serious adversary - why and so zealously weakened Russia all this time; why they are so desperate for propaganda against North Korea ... All wars are ONLY with an obviously weak and ideologically suppressed enemy !!!
        ... But with Russia something is not working out "ideologically" (according to Dulles ...)! ... Or does it work?
        But about the latter - everyone should ask themselves!
        Or others will ask him about it! ...
    5. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 13 June 2016 08: 47
      +5
      "... Now the next question must be posed: how did the European countries allow themselves to be harnessed to a cart, which is solely controlled by the United States with its global interests?"
    6. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 13 June 2016 08: 48
      +4
      "..Russians feel squeezed. In such a situation, anything can happen."
    7. 72jora72
      72jora72 13 June 2016 12: 41
      +1
      This "march" will end quickly as soon as we stamp our feet well! This bunch of unafraid boys will scatter like a pack of mad dogs. And then high-tech technology will join the battle. As soon as the West smells its death, they will immediately begin to sign peace treaties. This is a likely scenario for such stupid NATO actions.
      How wrong you are, dear ....... how wrong you are, a war is coming, maybe not tomorrow, but for the foreseeable future ....... I’m not wanging, that’s the reality.
      1. The stranger
        The stranger 14 June 2016 01: 20
        0
        So in NATO there is no one to fight. Young did not serve and are not able to learn, in the power of education. But there is no time to reform the worldview, it takes 1-3 generations. The old people will not. Some by age, some by principle.
        For example, my acquaintances who have served, and perhaps those who are unfamiliar, will not fight Russia out of principle. With anyone else - please, but with these - no. And the screamers "beat the Russians - save the Galaxy!" have to strangle. So that civilization does not disappear. This is what will kill NATO, not nuclear missiles.
    8. Ivan52
      Ivan52 13 June 2016 21: 56
      0
      As the saying goes, God forbid, it’s clear that the Balts were torn from their boobs, they need the country's loot in debt as in silk, and nobody needs their production, so the Chukh people and they want to make money on the bases, in my opinion this is a dead issue, and if you look at the history of the war, they don’t once grinded and all my life were under someone, their dubiousness simply amazes. God forbid that something starts, they will burn first in the nuclear flame and it will not be possible to stop it, so everything is very good, I want to think that even the mummified Mackay does not want this, but the Kenyan president is without a clan and tribe, although there probably is a tribe in Kenya, all this can be confused with dope, our Nobel peace laureate.
    9. dima mzk
      dima mzk 14 June 2016 06: 05
      0
      Yes, as it was said in one of the films "The World in Dust" Europe relies on Aegis and so on (not unreasonably), but this is not a fact and the Frontier will work guaranteed. And if while they enter, load the Sarmat mines and release all the underwater strategists, "Goodbye America OU"
    10. sergeant1986
      sergeant1986 14 June 2016 23: 27
      0
      You just need to make a film with computer simulation of nuclear attacks on European cities and data on losses in the event of a large-scale conflict. And bring it to the European inhabitants. Then they run in! And then they don’t even understand what kind of fire they’re playing with ...
  2. engineering
    engineering 13 June 2016 05: 56
    +7
    The author of this article has a very weak and incorrect idea of ​​the Russian army and its armed forces.
    Russian weapons systems are much more modern than, for example, Iraqi ones.
    The train of thought is certainly correct, but the illusion that it will suffer
    And who will pay for all this? Will it be the Baltic states, Poland or Scandinavia?
    All of Europe, which is part of the NATO bloc, will suffer from nuclear weapons, including, first of all, their US patron, God forbid, they would be the first to attack Russia.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 06: 08
      +6
      But the fact that Russia feels sandwiched is what he correctly noted. Look back there better at which side the arctic fox will creep up. am fellow
      1. bocsman
        bocsman 13 June 2016 06: 32
        +11
        Long ago, Europe should have included the head instead of the spinal cord. Wake up and start sending on .... "world hegemona" because he, in his desire to grab for himself everything that is possible and impossible, completely "lost the coast." I don't know how many people like the author of this article, but I would like there to be more of them! After all, "matches are not toys for children." And these kids (politicians, corrupt media) are trying to set something on fire. Without thinking about the consequences, as if there were no 1812, 1939-1945. And Russia just remembers and "concentrates"!
  3. Retvizan 8
    Retvizan 8 13 June 2016 06: 17
    +6
    The whole trouble is that today's main hegemon on the planet does not have a land border with Russia and sitting on its island, most likely experiences the illusion of impunity and security. And this illusion can play a bad role in today's aggravated international relations.
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 13 June 2016 10: 20
      +2
      Quote: Retvizan 8
      The trouble is that today's main hegemon on the planet does not have a land border with Russia

      This will not save them.
  4. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 13 June 2016 06: 55
    +3
    All of you have a history of "2", Russia does not start wars, it ends them!
    1. 97110
      97110 13 June 2016 11: 09
      0
      Quote: Dmitry Potapov
      Russia does not start wars, it ends them!

      How much do you have in history? Look at the year 1904. What did the Russian fleet do in Port Arthur? Provoked Japan to attack? Well, how is the US in Pearl Harbor? And how was the war Russia over? Left a legacy to the damned Bolsheviks. No need to be clever and ponte bash. There are many experts here, even an alternative one ... It seems that there are already enough stars on shoulder straps to throw slogans.
      1. KaPToC
        KaPToC 13 June 2016 11: 56
        +1
        No need to juggle where Port Arthur is and where is Japan.
        1. 97110
          97110 13 June 2016 16: 08
          0
          Quote: KaPToC
          where is port arthur and where is japan

          In which province of RI Port Arthur, recall? And where is Japan? Take a look at the map, do not be lazy.
          1. KaPToC
            KaPToC 13 June 2016 22: 17
            0
            Port Arthur is located outside of Japan and cannot be the cause of war, even formally.
  5. aszzz888
    aszzz888 13 June 2016 06: 57
    0
    Russians feel sandwiched.

    Unclear, no doubt. And then again the geyropa crawls on her knees. If there is someone to crawl. laughing
  6. Holsten
    Holsten 13 June 2016 07: 02
    +8
    One gets the impression that one is reading "Kremlin propaganda", i.e. the truth about what's going on. It must be the same how the awareness of near and real death changes the worldview - the illusions of superiority are replaced by a fairly clear understanding of the inevitable and shameful ending. More and more often people remember the thesis that Russia did not start wars, but always ended. It's a pity, but history does not teach anyone anything and no one turns to its lessons until a roasted rooster pecks, and the rooster is already well roasted and ready for action.
  7. Stinger
    Stinger 13 June 2016 07: 09
    +2
    how did European countries allow themselves to be harnessed to a cart driven solely by the United States with its global interests?

    Very simple. You are cowards and you cannot expel American occupation forces from Europe. Eat curasans, and Uncle Sam will think about you.
  8. V.ic
    V.ic 13 June 2016 07: 34
    +8
    Russia did not start wars with Europe, it ended them in it. Paris 1814 Berlin 1945
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 13 June 2016 08: 34
      +5
      Quote: V.ic
      Russia did not start wars with Europe, it ended them in it. Paris 1814 Berlin 1945

      Berlin was taken twice ... hi
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 08: 39
        +9
        Quote: CORNET
        Berlin was taken twice ...

        Three times, Vital, three. The Seven Years' War (with Frederick), with Napoleon, and the Great, with Hitler (WWII). hi How much can I fix it?
        1. CORNET
          CORNET 13 June 2016 08: 51
          +5
          Quote: mordvin xnumx
          Quote: CORNET
          Berlin was taken twice ...

          Three times, Vital, three. The Seven Years' War, with Napoleon, and the Great, with Hitler (WWII). hi How much can I fix it?

          Did not know.... hi The fourth I think will be the last for the Germans! laughing
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 08: 56
            +3
            Quote: CORNET
            Did not know

            You are not the only one. laughing . Dvoeshnik. crying
            1. CORNET
              CORNET 13 June 2016 09: 20
              +2
              Quote: mordvin xnumx
              Quote: CORNET
              Did not know

              You are not the only one. laughing . Dvoeshnik. crying

              troeshnik! About this, as it is usually hushed up ... hi
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 09: 27
                +2
                Quote: CORNET
                troeshnik!

                I, too, but read about the Seven Years War. drinks
        2. Hlavaty
          Hlavaty 13 June 2016 11: 02
          +1
          The seven-year war can not be considered.
          First, the Russians simply entered Berlin left by the Germans (the garrison capitulated), and did not stay there long: they soon left it because they received news that Frederick was coming to the city with a large army.

          And secondly, this war can hardly be called victorious for Russia. The role of Russia in that war was rather unsightly: at first, in the "alliance of three women" (Elizabeth, Maria Theresa and Madame Pompadour), Russia fought against Frederick. At the same time, due to squabbles between the allies, she was often forced to retreat and lost the opportunity to win. And after the death of Elizabeth, Peter III became king, who quickly made an alliance with Frederick and turned his troops against his Austrian allies.

          So, this war can hardly be considered a glorious page in the history of Russia - there is no victory to be proud of, there is no educational moment for posterity.
          1. Weyland
            Weyland 13 June 2016 22: 19
            0
            Quote: Hlavaty
            no victory to be proud of


            Zorndorf, Kunersdorf, Gross-Egersdorf!

            By and large, we were dragged into a war we do not need, and Peter is definitely well done! By the way, the Austrian allies in that war so many times betrayed us that the troops greeted us with undisguised satisfaction that we were now fighting not with the Prussians, but with the Austrians!
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    2. 97110
      97110 13 June 2016 11: 10
      0
      Quote: V.ic
      Russia did not start wars with Europe, it ended them in it. Paris 1814 Berlin 1945

      Brest 1918 ... And, this is not Russia, these are German spies.
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  10. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 13 June 2016 08: 00
    +2
    Firstly, never since the end of World War II have there been so many military equipment and soldiers, not only near Russia, but also right on the border with it. Not surprisingly, the Germans refused to send soldiers to the Baltic states.
    Not for this reason. The FRG has been assigned to act in another operational direction. This is a zone that was once occupied by the Army Group Center. High German officers and liaison officers began to appear in Polish headquarters more and more often, and business contacts of the two armies were noticeably intensified. The degree of rearmament of the Bundeswehr can be judged on the readiness of Europe for war. At the moment, a full-scale conflict is very unlikely, but in the event of unforeseen complications, the German army will undoubtedly be able to deploy a consolidated rapid reaction corps and will begin to pull the rest of the army into Poland. True from this scenario. drops out Ukraine, because. if it stands on the side of NATO in the event of an aggravation of the situation, this greatly complicates the situation for us in the event of a possible war. And this way and that, I agree with the author of the article. The use of nuclear weapons is quite possible in such situations. However, it is necessary to maintain the order of affairs and conduct the correct politics, because such a direct war is not beneficial to anyone, which means that a war for our internal stability will unfold, by indirect actions, a war of forgeries, blackmail, bribery and provocations. In this case, the West is a dangerous and sophisticated enemy.
  11. Skif83
    Skif83 13 June 2016 08: 05
    +8
    Russians and other peoples of the Soviet Union have opened their arms to the West and its ideology. Even as NATO began to expand eastward, including the countries of the former Warsaw Pact, we talked about growing stability and peace. But this time has irrevocably passed.

    Stability in the world (you need to understand how stability is for Russia, in particular) can only be when Russia is strong. History clearly confirms this. When we are strong, various Balts, Psheks, etc. And hans, johns, etc., are stably respected.
    Stalin said all this back in 1938.
    “Many of the affairs of our party and people will be perverted and spat upon, primarily abroad, and in our country too. Zionism, striving for world domination, will cruelly revenge us for our successes and achievements. He still regards Russia as a barbarous country, as a raw materials appendage. And my name will also be slandered, slandered. I will assign a lot of atrocities.
    World Zionism will strive with all its might to destroy our Union so that Russia can never rise again. The strength of the USSR is in the friendship of nations. The edge of the struggle will be directed, first of all, at breaking this friendship, at separating the borderlands from Russia. Here, I must admit, we have not done everything. There is still a large field of work.
    Nationalism will raise its head with particular force. He will crush internationalism and patriotism for a while, only for a while. National groups within nations and conflicts will arise. Many pygmy leaders will appear, traitors within their nations.
    In general, in the future development will go more difficult and even frantic ways, turns will be extremely steep. It goes to the fact that the East is especially excited. There will be sharp contradictions with the West.
    And yet, no matter how events unfold, time will pass, and the views of new generations will be turned to the deeds and victories of our socialist Fatherland. Year after year, new generations will come. They will again raise the banner of their fathers and grandfathers and give us their due in full. They will build their future on our past. "

    The main thing is that we do not drop the BANNERS OF ANCESTORS !!!
  12. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 13 June 2016 08: 05
    +2
    Quote: dchegrinec
    This "march" will end quickly as soon as we stamp our feet well! This bunch of unafraid boys will scatter like a pack of crazed dogs, and then high-tech technology will enter the battle.

    No comments....
  13. Barakuda
    Barakuda 13 June 2016 08: 12
    +1
    And who will pay for all this? Will it be the Baltic states, Poland or Scandinavia?
    Germany first thing. Everyone else will surrender in the geyrop.
    I studied tactics on German maps. And not just me.
    1. corporal
      corporal 13 June 2016 08: 31
      +1
      Komrad, how are you doing with the court?
      1. Barakuda
        Barakuda 13 June 2016 08: 57
        0
        I'm waiting .. Moved.
  14. Red_Hamer
    Red_Hamer 13 June 2016 08: 29
    +17
    No, we have not forgotten, we all know this, we all remember, and most importantly we realize! Almost all of Europe fought against us! Italy, Hungary, Romania, Finland, Slovakia, Croatia, military contingents of France, Poland, Belgium, Albania! As part of the Wehrmacht on the Eastern Front, separate battalions of the Dutch, Norwegians and Danes fought with the Red Army. Although Spain was not officially at war with the Soviet Union, nevertheless, from October 1941 to the end of 1943, the Spanish "Blue Division" fought on the Eastern Front of 47 thousand people! "Legion of French Volunteers", numbering over six thousand people! "Frostbitten SS Divisions" - Albanian mountain rifle division, Hungarian cavalry division and two infantry divisions, two Croatian mountain rifle divisions and the 14th SS Grenadier Division "Galicia" formed in Western Ukraine. Divisions "Netherlands", "Landstorm Netherlands", "Nordland", "Langermak", "Wallonia", 29th SS Infantry Division (Italian), 31st SS Infantry Division "Bohemia and Moravia" (from Czech volunteers) , 33rd SS Infantry Division "Charlemagne" (from French volunteers). On the number and nationality of the "Germanic" volunteers in the SS troops as of January 31, 1944, the following data are available (people): Norwegians - 5, Danes - 878, Dutch - 7, Flemish - 006, Walloons - 18, Swedes - 473, Swiss - 6, French - 033, British - 2, Irish - 812, Scots - 601. Total: 1 people, that is, a full-blooded army corps. At the same time, the entire industry of Europe worked for the Wehrmacht - Sweden, Denmark, Norway, Czechoslovakia! Switzerland provided the German economy with finance! Germany received significant aid through intermediaries from the United States and Latin America. Rockefeller Oil Corporation "Standard Oil" sent 584 thousand tons of oil to Germany every month, which the powerful chemical industry of the Reich immediately processed into gasoline. Until the middle of 3, the tanker fleet of "neutral" Spain worked almost exclusively for the needs of the Wehrmacht, supplying it with American "black gold", formally intended for Madrid. It got to the point that German submarines, refueling with American fuel directly from Spanish tankers, immediately went to sink American transports carrying weapons for the USSR. "Just business, nothing personal!" The Germans received tungsten, synthetic rubber, parts and spare parts for the automotive industry from overseas (Ford). I am silent about South America, all the food went to the Wehrmacht! For dessert, Lend-Lease was not free! We paid for everything in gold, caviar, fur. In addition, already in the 480s, the USSR pledged to gradually pay the US $ 432 million. After the collapse of the USSR, Russia took over the Lend-Lease debt by transferring the last installment in 115. Some overseas simply decided to repeat everything, again to raise their economy, profiting from a big war! Business, just business! Nothing personal!
    1. Barakuda
      Barakuda 13 June 2016 09: 01
      +1
      And Vlasov - cattle? Who else bought a girl in a local bazaar in China? am
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 09: 08
        +3
        Quote: Barracuda
        Vlasov - cattle

        It is a pity that no one shot this kazla when he surrendered.
  15. wandlitz
    wandlitz 13 June 2016 09: 00
    +2
    If a big war starts in Europe, then, in all likelihood, atomic weapons will be used. And who will pay for all this? Will it be the Baltic states, Poland or Scandinavia?
    The whole world will pay ...
  16. Antiprogressor
    Antiprogressor 13 June 2016 09: 12
    +3
    Imagine that we all, Moscow, St. Petersburg, villages, small towns were left without water, gas, electricity and communications. Almost all gas stations do not work, trains do not run, only military aircraft fly.
    These are the conditions for the outbreak of war. In the West, the same thing. Moscow, London, Paris, Berlin on the third find that on the streets they kill mineral water for a bottle, and whoever drinks raw water from the river, draws at a temperature of about forty and does not think about anything. Shops looted.
    In small towns, self-defense units and the Ministry of Emergencies are likely to easily rectify the situation.
    Villages with large farms will begin to transport the bodies of animals and birds into the nearest ravines. But some people have generators and they will survive. The same applies to small towns in the West.
    Yes, this applies to those who will not be hit by the damaging factors of nuclear strikes.
    Things will not get to a nuclear winter. And in the east, China and Korea will finish off Japan in the battle for the Far East and Southeast Asia. The states will be preoccupied with civil defense and the wildest riots of Latinos and blacks (and white ones are not angels). India, under the guise of defeating Pakistan, received a little from it. Israel will flop over Iran and suddenly find out that it has something more powerful. But it will be too late. Africa will slaughter each other. And only in Rio will be a magnificent carnival.
    It will be a holiday. For the rest of the week ...
    1. KaPToC
      KaPToC 13 June 2016 10: 24
      +1
      Quote: Antiprogressor
      And in the east, China and Korea will finish off Japan in the battle for the Far East and Southeast Asia.

      History tells the opposite, the Japanese will bend the Koreans, and only the nuclear weapons will save the Chinese.
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 16: 58
        0
        the Japanese will bend the Koreans, and only the nuclear weapons will save the Chinese
        Both Koreans and Japanese have everything they need to create nuclear weapons (more precisely, assembling them) It will be even more fun.
      2. Weyland
        Weyland 13 June 2016 22: 28
        0
        Quote: KaPToC
        History says the opposite


        History says it will win better equipped army. In 1598, the Korean kobuxons ripped the samurai to smithereens and in half - and in 1905, the technically backward Korea was "made" by the yapps at once. But now the DPRK has nuclear weapons ...

        For any nasty things we will give an answer:
        After all, we have "atomics", and you do not have them! laughing
  17. Damask
    Damask 13 June 2016 09: 24
    +1
    In Russia, the minimum price for vodka-IG has changed has assumed responsibility for this
  18. Ros64
    Ros64 13 June 2016 09: 31
    +2
    Probably, in due time it was necessary not to humanize, and not to capture either the French in 1812, or the Germans with their hangers-on in 1945, but to let the spoiled land be fertilized! Now this would not be, I think.
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 09: 47
      +4
      Quote: Ros64
      and not to capture any French

      The French also took our prisoners. According to the recollections of one count, when their mistress saw that they (with her drunken batman) were frying mushrooms, she ran to the gendarmerie with a cry: "Russian prisoners want to be poisoned!" wassat And in the hospital of Count Sheremetev (now Sklif), the wounded Frenchmen lay mixed with the Russians. Ball-skiers, in a word. hi
    2. Weyland
      Weyland 13 June 2016 22: 52
      0
      Quote: Ros64
      it was necessary at the time not to humanize, and not to capture either the French in 1812, or the Germans with their sloths in 1945, but to let the spoiled land be fertilized!


      You will be surprised how many French prisoners did not want to return to France after the war - and how many dashing hussars Murat enrolled in the Cossacks!
      By the way, the famous partisan Figner steadily shot captive French and Poles - but captured Spaniards and Italians (who had fallen into Napoleon’s army by mobilization) often took them to their squad!
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  19. Veltmajster
    Veltmajster 13 June 2016 09: 43
    +1
    Y-yes, an article ... The product is viburnum, the bullshit in it is half. Well, okay, we Russians are slaves, quitters, drunkards, and in general everybody. (According to the Ukrainian and Western media) But the West! Civic active, advanced, tolerant and generally all the best epithets. And they don't see where this is going? Are they blind or deaf? Or are they waiting for the roasted cockerel to bite in one place? And then they will point fingers at Merzkel and Hollande and scream heart-rendingly: “Is that all of them!” As it was, after the Second World War.
    Only then will the Russians hardly believe them.
    It’s not clear: are the Europeans themselves so stupid, or do they consider us stupid?
  20. Gurinov Nikolay
    Gurinov Nikolay 13 June 2016 09: 57
    0
    I would announce a 100km zone of approaching our borders with Farrah spray and assault!
  21. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 June 2016 10: 15
    +1
    Yes, it’s just that in Europe, with rare exceptions, there were never real statesmen, and now there is a bunch of tolerasts incapable of independence. And those similar to the names: de Gaulle, Bismarck, Churchill, finally, do not appear soon. There will be mainly a middle gender, such as Hollande.
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 14 June 2016 02: 31
      0
      And what did Hitler forget? He may be black, but after all, a historical figure, which in very few generations was. Merkel to compare with him, even in ideological nonsense - not worth it. And that he was unlucky, and at the same time, the leader of the Stalin caliber lived - he was so unlucky. If there weren’t such large figures in that generation, now the world would be different.
      And after them - the truth is nobody. Putin is the first historical figure in Europe after the war.
  22. 97110
    97110 13 June 2016 10: 28
    0
    The picture is good. Question: who portrays Russia? If a bear, then to him, oddly enough, there is a khan. Laechka will offend him. And Russia behaves like a like in the period under discussion. Our enemies in vain wave a powerful paw. It’s difficult to get on like, but she tears the skin of meat from the loin place, only the bear will be substituted.
    1. Weyland
      Weyland 13 June 2016 22: 58
      +2
      Quote: 97110
      If a bear, then to him, oddly enough, there is a khan


      This is if the husky flock. She will rip a few pieces out of it, and then ... it’s difficult to get through the like - but sooner or later it will get, and it takes only one time!
    2. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 23: 35
      +4
      Quote: 97110
      from the loin place the skin with meat is tearing, only the bear will be substituted.

      Uh, no. I do not agree with you. The beast is smart. He runs like a sprinter, and swims better than the Olympic champions, and climbs trees like macaque. Being wounded, he can pretend to be killed, and then - hang on to the hunter. Who will hunt for whom is a question. And like won't help. Ask Chisain, he’s our huntsman. Yes, there are a lot of hunters. Correctly companion wrote, it is required to get a paw only once. In nature, the bear has no opponents. It is not for nothing that the Evenks believe that an evil spirit, Khargi, infuses the rods.
  23. gelezo47
    gelezo47 13 June 2016 11: 04
    +3
    In the event of a conflict, not only the Baltics and Scandinavia will flare up, but the whole of Europe and America. Everyone who tries to “put the Russians in their place.” There will be no winners in a nuclear war. And no one can sit out in the bunkers ...
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 June 2016 13: 27
      -3
      Warheads will be torn at military facilities, so even in basements of houses and on other continents it will work out.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 13 June 2016 13: 29
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Warheads will be torn at military facilities, so even in basements of houses and on other continents it will work out.

        Say goodbye, say? And what will you drink and eat? Or, for example, be treated for flu? I'm not talking about the plague, anthrax, etc. ...
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 June 2016 14: 17
          -3
          Everyone is ready in his own way - I have everything for such "gatherings", even an "umbrella" - Moscow missile defense.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 13 June 2016 14: 23
            +1
            Quote: Vadim237
            I have everything for such "gatherings"

            And what exactly? If water sources are contaminated, you will also "sit out"? Treat at least the same dysentery as you will, or the flu. By the way, with dysentery, severe dehydration occurs.
            Is Moscow the whole of Russia?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 June 2016 14: 56
              0
              There is drinking water, as well as filters, - only those who don’t wash their hands, drink dirty water and eat products of dubious quality and origin, get dysentery. You also need to pick up the flu - in a gas mask and a mask it’s impossible to do it - there are antibiotics.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 13 June 2016 15: 48
                +3
                Quote: Vadim237
                as well as filters, only those who don’t wash their hands, drink dirty water and eat products of dubious quality and origin, get dysentery.

                Filters will help you greatly from contaminated water? Or maybe the filter is capable of trapping viruses and bacteria? I’m not talking about dirty water, but about INFECT. Besides nuclear power plants there are chemical plants, industrial enterprises, where there is also toxic production ... about burial grounds I already wrote to you ...
                Quote: Vadim237
                You also need to pick up the flu - in a gas mask and a mask it’s impossible to do it - there are antibiotics.

                Dear, do not tell me. A gas mask, even if you have it has its own life. This time. Second, did you go to a gas mask for several days without removing it? And your children?
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 13 June 2016 16: 48
                  -1
                  In 2010, I had to wear a mask almost all summer. And I have new gas masks PG 21, shelf life 12 years. "Will filters help you a lot against contaminated water?" - You are behind the times, such filters are already on sale.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 13 June 2016 16: 53
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    I had to wear a mask in 2010 almost all summer. And I have gas masks PG 21 new, shelf life of 12 years.

                    You put this gas mask on a child and make him resemble it for three hours ...
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    "Will filters help you a lot against contaminated water?" - You are behind the times, such filters are already on sale.

                    From viruses, bacteria, radioactive elements also such filters help?
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 16: 59
                    +2
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    In 2010, I had to wear a mask almost all summer. And I have new gas masks PG 21, shelf life 12 years. "Will filters help you a lot against contaminated water?" - You are behind the times, such filters are already on sale.

                    Yes, you have nothing to do, how to run around in a gas mask. And in 2010, I worked as a loader. What the hell is a gas mask? request
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 June 2016 18: 24
                      0
                      Yes, indeed in the summer there was nothing to do - I had to put on a medical mask.
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 18: 42
                        +3
                        I'm at 220km. I live from Moscow and I remember everything perfectly. We also had it, I whipped 20 liters of water per day. But such nonsense as a gas mask didn’t even occur to my head.
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 20: 11
                        0
                        I have gas masks - just in case.
                      3. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 13 June 2016 23: 06
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Yes, indeed in the summer there was nothing to do - I had to put on a medical mask.

                        From this?? Mask ??? Wadiiiim ....

                        Damn, you would be in the army for me .. yes, for a couple of months .. I - like - a jacket, yes .. I - like a student, yes ...

                        - only a student retrained from T-55 to T-64 in a month (about how)
                        - only the student then showed the fighters how to set up the radio (a commission came from the district - "you slipped us a specially trained platoon" - hell, it was just my platoon laughing )
                        - Well, something like that .. pinjacks - they are also different .. including and raspberry speckled

                        By the way - funny. He quit the unit, (spinzhak, yes ... beat, throw in banks) .. three salaries went with me .. and the badge - with me, and the certificate (already loved) - with me ..

                        And I'm still a piece of sourdough! (c) Jack London Sea Wolf, yeah
                      4. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 01: 06
                        +1
                        A mask from this, masks were worn by almost everyone and residents put on gas masks in the cities.
                      5. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 14 June 2016 11: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        and gas masks residents dressed cities dressed.

                        The gas mask protects against poisonous gases, but it does not save from smoke. That is why firefighters use closed-loop systems or cylinders.
                      6. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 15 June 2016 17: 56
                        0
                        Gas masks even protect against bacteria in the air - in open space gas masks protect from smoke, and firefighters use RPGs in closed rooms where oxygen burns out and carbon dioxide is released - of course there will be nothing to breathe there.
                      7. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 15 June 2016 18: 08
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        in closed rooms where oxygen burns out and carbon dioxide is released - of course there will not be anything to breathe there.

                        If oxygen burns out, the flame goes out without the intervention of firefighters. Put on your mask and breathe in the smoke - Good luck!
                  3. andj61
                    andj61 13 June 2016 21: 00
                    +3
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    In 2010, I had to wear a mask almost all summer. And I have new gas masks PG 21, shelf life 12 years. "Will filters help you a lot against contaminated water?" - You are behind the times, such filters are already on sale.

                    It was you who wore a gauze bandage. Or in a simple mask - they were saved from burning. And the life of the gas mask until the filter is clogged is hours. How many days do you have for these gas masks? Yes, even for all family members ... And water filters are also not enough - they are needed immeasurably. If the filter will separate the charged particles - it’s a membrane one, but with a special membrane - it’s generally very expensive, but it breaks down quickly. This warehouse of filters and gas masks must be in order to survive at least a few years. Coal from a gas filter can even be calcined for cleaning (and even radioactive particles will remain), but modern water filters cannot be cleaned at all ...
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 June 2016 22: 02
                      0
                      There are reserves for everything, "in order to live at least a few years" - in general, you need to hold out for a maximum of 2 weeks during this time, all fires will go out, dust and soot will settle, the radiation level will decrease to a minimum, and then it will be possible to use an ordinary gauze bandage to help everyone who survived.
                      1. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 22: 11
                        +1
                        can be a regular gauze dressing costs
                        Take a look at the half-life tables of the elements. And the Chernobyl experience. If the nuclear winter is an invention of British (Soviet, generally) scientists.
                      2. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        Check out the half-life tables of the elements. And the Chernobyl experience.

                        Was there a nuclear explosion in Chernobyl? belay
                      3. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 14 June 2016 11: 19
                        +1
                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        Was there a nuclear explosion in Chernobyl?

                        Thank God no. But there was a big leak of radioactive fuel. Therefore, even now in Pripyat the radioactive background in some places exceeds the norm by a thousand times.
                      4. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 22: 11
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        There are reserves for everything, "in order to live at least a few years" - in general, you need to hold out for a maximum of 2 weeks during this time, all fires will go out, dust and soot will settle, the radiation level will decrease to a minimum, and then it will be possible to use an ordinary gauze bandage to help everyone who survived.

                        Hmm ... that is, they did not understand anything. Your belief that the third world war will take place in laboratory conditions is touching. I want to listen to you when you have a wife and a child. Now the conversation is useless. You would at least think for a moment: "don’t ... how are you", if there are so many people who are many times older than you, interpret that it will not be as rosy as you imagine.
                      5. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 23: 04
                        0
                        The Third World War will take place on the territory of Russia, the USA, Europe - all other countries and continents are observers. "Your belief that the third world war will take place in laboratory conditions is touching" - I did not say this or assert - I mean that life on the planet will not cease to exist and man will not disappear either, in case of a day " And "I have everything ready - everyone will be saved as they can - of course, whatever that day does not come and does not come." "If there are so many people who are many times older than you, they interpret what will not be as rosy as you imagine." - We will remain each with his own opinion.
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                      7. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 01: 16
                        0
                        "You have already been shown twice" - you have not shown me anything - once again for the "especially gifted" - we will remain with our opinions. "Here you are - nobody ..." - And you forgive who is here?
                      8. Alexander Romanov
                        Alexander Romanov 14 June 2016 11: 53
                        +1
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        , Europe - all other countries and continents are observers.

                        Excuse me, but there are no US bases in Europe? Europe itself is not NATO. But France and England do not include nuclear powers?
                        And where are the American bases?
                      9. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 13
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        You would at least think for a moment: "don’t ... how are you", if there are so many people who are many times older than you, interpret that it will not be as rosy as you imagine.

                        But does someone say that it will be rosy? It just seems that because of the threat of nuclear war, "Katz offers to surrender" ... Well, after all, he has a wife and children ...
                      10. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 14 June 2016 11: 23
                        +1
                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        But does someone say that it will be rosy? It just seems that because of the threat of nuclear war, "Katz offers to surrender" ... Well, after all, he has a wife and children ...

                        Give up Dear, you would at least get to know the subject of the conversation more deeply ... there will be no winners or losers, THERE WILL NOT BE ANYTHING.
                        Nuclear war is not about tank battles, shelling, infantry offensives, etc. ... desert burned to glass, fires all over the planet, earthquakes, contaminated water and soil, and nuclear winter after 5 years.
                      11. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 27
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Give up Dear, you would at least get to know the subject of the conversation more deeply ... there will be no winners or losers, THERE WILL NOT BE ANYTHING.
                        Nuclear war is not about tank battles, shelling, infantry offensives, etc. ... desert burned to glass, fires all over the planet, earthquakes, contaminated water and soil, and nuclear winter after 5 years.

                        Duc and what am I talking about? Because of the threat of a nuclear war, Katz suggests surrendering before it begins. Schaub avoid!
                      12. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 14 June 2016 11: 43
                        +1
                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        Duc and what am I talking about? Because of the threat of a nuclear war, Katz suggests surrendering before it begins. Schaub avoid!

                        Nuclear weapon is DETERRENT, precisely in order to avoid this war. Or did you want to play the war with nuclear weapons?
                      13. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 22: 20
                        0
                        need a maximum of 2 weeks
                        According to the tactics of the Americans, some targets will be bombed twice-in a day or two, something else will fly free (museum in essence, but working). For sure.
                      14. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 23: 07
                        0
                        Unless the bombers: B 2, B 1 and B 52 - only now the guys will have nowhere to return.
                      15. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 23: 17
                        -3
                        the guys will have nowhere to return.
                        They can sisters on the highway in Europe. All the roads there will not beat you.
                      16. Parsec
                        Parsec 13 June 2016 23: 43
                        +3
                        They can, they can.

                        On any European road there are taxiing, parking, KDP.
                        And on any road, vehicles with a supply of fuel, liquids, oxygen, tires, ammunition and missiles will be waiting for them.

                        In the bushes, respectively, there will be a dining room, rest houses, a psychologist, wife-children ...

                        What a war!
                      17. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 00: 28
                        -2
                        any European road has taxiing, parking, KDP.
                        Land the lead. And they took off. They brought everything that was needed and forward.
                      18. Parsec
                        Parsec 14 June 2016 01: 07
                        +3
                        All of you do not distinguish between teachings and war.

                        There will be nobody and nothing to drive.
                      19. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 02: 02
                        -2
                        There will be nobody and nothing to drive.
                        In the coffers there are on all sides. A good deed is not a pity, however. Or do you think the United States did not hide a couple of rockets? There was no president-drunk.
                      20. Parsec
                        Parsec 14 June 2016 02: 20
                        +2
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        Or do you think the United States did not hide a couple of rockets? There was no president-drunk.


                        Used water-alcohol solutions or what?
                        Some kind of nonsense.
                      21. The stranger
                        The stranger 14 June 2016 02: 41
                        0
                        This is called tincture. When something is dissolved in alcohol.
                        Not alcohol is soluble in water, but water in alcohol. So vodka is just 60% water tincture.
                        The best radio protector, by the way. Actually the active substance is alcohol, but since it takes time to get used to the pure form ... :)
                      22. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 02: 44
                        -1
                        In the state of secrets under Yeltsin, the verits are not particularly. But the Americans could easily hide several missiles unaccounted for in the treaties.
                        Used water-alcohol solutions or what?
                        Not without it.
                      23. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 18
                        +1
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        In the state of secrets under Yeltsin, the verits are not particularly. But the Americans could easily hide several missiles unaccounted for in the treaties.

                        Which state secret? And what does Yeltsin have to do with it? Gorbachov, where does he live now? And what level of access did he have ??? Rhetorical question...
                      24. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 17 June 2016 00: 44
                        0
                        x, accordingly, there will be a dining room, rest houses, a psychologist, wife-children ...

                        What a war!
                        Read the wiki.
                      25. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 15
                        0
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        According to the tactics of the Americans, some targets will be bombed twice-in a day or two, something else will fly free (museum in essence, but working). For sure.

                        And who will run it?
                      26. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 20: 46
                        0
                        And who will run it?
                        Naydetsa. Their bombs are not destroyed but dismantled.
                      27. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 13 June 2016 23: 14
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        you need a maximum of 2 weeks during this time all the fires will go out, the dust will settle and soot the radiation level will decrease to a minimum, and then it will be possible to do with the usual gauze bandage - to help everyone who survived

                        Wildly amused by "helping those who survived" ..

                        Ooh, yoyo
                      28. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 01: 18
                        0
                        There will be no choice - will have to help.
                      29. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 02: 03
                        0
                        There will be no choice - will have to help.
                        There will be no one to help. And there’s nothing. The nuclear debris is taken apart by life for several hours.
                      30. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 14 June 2016 13: 53
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        in general, it is necessary to hold out for a maximum of 2 weeks during this time all the fires will go out, dust will settle and soot the radiation level will decrease to a minimum, and then

                        - woodpecker survives in any conditions
                        - lives happily ... but not for long - memory interferes laughing
          2. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 13 June 2016 17: 00
            +2
            I have everything for such "gatherings", even an "umbrella" - Moscow missile defense
            And the complete works of Glukhovsky are also in store? Thrifty, however ..
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 June 2016 18: 31
              0
              I have never read and have no idea who it is.
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 13 June 2016 18: 45
                0
                I have never read and have no idea who it is.
                Yandex help. Have you read Larry Niven? The same romance.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 13 June 2016 20: 22
                  0
                  I don’t read romance.
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian 13 June 2016 20: 31
                    0
                    I don’t read romance.
                    Romance of the post-apocalypse. How beautifully rebuild a fair world ... Only there will be no one to build it in real life. Global cooling, then the greenhouse effect .. 40 years will be a planet fever. And how to grow a grub?
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 June 2016 21: 00
                      0
                      "Global cooling" - from what? "And how do you grow up your food?" - As it is now grown - in greenhouses - a very effective way of farming.
                      1. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 21: 22
                        0
                        "Global cooling" - from what?
                        Well, at least you would familiarize yourself with the works of scientists. Do not believe the British-read the work of the Soviet. Fires, smoke, stratosphere ...
                        As they grow now - in greenhouses
                        At minus 70?
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 22: 09
                        0
                        If you write about "Nuclear Winter" - this is a scientific tale - this theory was refuted by nature itself in 1815, as well as the war in the Gulf in 1991 and the heat in Russia in 2010 - fires covered 2 million hectares, 92 million cubic meters of wood burned out - but the temperature did not drop a degree.
                      3. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 22: 18
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        If you write about "Nuclear Winter" - this is a scientific tale - this theory was refuted by nature itself in 1815, as well as the war in the Gulf in 1991 and the heat in Russia in 2010 - fires covered 2 million hectares, 92 million cubic meters of wood burned out - but the temperature did not drop a degree.

                        May I ask you, tell me, how will super volcanoes behave during nuclear bombings, of which about a dozen have already been counted on the planet?
                      4. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 23: 50
                        0
                        "May I ask you? Tell me, how will super volcanoes behave during nuclear bombings, of which about a dozen have already been counted on the planet?" - This is not for me, but for the Volcanologists and Geophysicists - specialists in lithospheric plates.
                      5. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 14 June 2016 00: 04
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        - This is not for me, but for Volcanologists and Geophysicists - specialists in lithospheric plates.

                        So you say with such confidence that the nuclear apocalypse is not so scary.
                        There is such a super volcano Yellowstone ...

                        Now think about what will happen when nuclear explosions shake North America.
                        Moreover, if Yellowstone wakes up, it will wake up volcanoes all over the planet, including other super volcanoes. And if so, the axis of the earth will change its degree of inclination ... will you explain further or will you think of it yourself?
                      6. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 01: 21
                        0
                        Yes, from 300 kiloton explosions there will be a strong concussion.
                      7. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 14 June 2016 01: 54
                        +1
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Yes, from 300 kiloton explosions there will be a strong concussion.

                        For example, the Voevoda has a megaton-class warhead. And if a couple of three hits at least near Yellowstone, the whole "nuclear shootout" will seem like a simple harmless fireworks in comparison with the eruption of a caltera in 300 sq km. In order to make it clearer for you, if known volcanoes that have erupted in terms of power and strength add up, this value will be less than the eruption of one Yellowstone.
                      8. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 33
                        +1
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        In order to make it easier for you, if all the famous volcanoes that erupted in power and strength are added up, this value will be less than the eruption of Yellowstone alone.

                        Didn’t even the outpourings of Siberian traps stand nearby?
                      9. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 23
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        Now think about what will happen when nuclear explosions shake North America.
                        Moreover, if Yellowstone wakes up, it will wake up volcanoes all over the planet, including other super volcanoes. And if so, the axis of the earth will change its degree of inclination ... will you explain further or will you think of it yourself?

                        Explain to me where you got such conclusions, preferably with links. Only not on the popular science dregs of the Discovery Channel, but on real scientific papers !!!
                      10. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 14 June 2016 11: 49
                        +1
                        Quote: AllXVahhaB

                        Explain to me where you got such conclusions, preferably with links. Only not on the popular science dregs of the Discovery Channel, but on real scientific papers !!!

                        Here is one of the links with comments by scientists dealing with this issue.
                        http://communitarian.ru/publikacii/udivitelnoe_ryadom/supervulkan_v_yelloustoune
                        _mozhet_unichtozhit_polmira_07042014 /
                        Then dig it yourself if this topic becomes interesting to you.
                      11. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 14: 38
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        http://communitarian.ru/publikacii/udivitelnoe_ryadom/supervulkan_v_yelloustoune

                        _mozhet_unichtozhit_polmira_07042014 /

                        "Item not found!"(C) request
                      12. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 14 June 2016 14: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        "Element not found!" (C)

                        Just checked ... everything works. Copy the link and type Google into the search box.
                      13. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 22
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        May I ask you, tell me, how will super volcanoes behave during nuclear bombings, of which about a dozen have already been counted on the planet?

                        And who will bomb volcanoes?
                      14. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 14 June 2016 11: 51
                        +1
                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        And who will bomb volcanoes?

                        And they don’t need to be bombed. During a massive nuclear bombardment, the nuclear weapons themselves, when detonated, produce earthquakes that are likely to wake volcanoes, including Yellowstone.
                      15. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 14: 39
                        0
                        Quote: NEXUS
                        With a massive nuclear bombardment, the nuclear weapons themselves, when detonated, produce earthquakes that are likely to wake volcanoes, including Yellowstone.

                        These are just theories ...
                      16. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 14 June 2016 14: 57
                        +1
                        Quote: AllXVahhaB
                        These are just theories ...

                        Want to test them in practice?
                      17. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 22: 27
                        +1
                        this is a scientific fairy tale - nature itself refuted this theory in 1815,
                        The volcano of Tambora lowered the temperature of the planet by less than 1 degree, and this was already a problem. Suppose everyone lies British bespectacled, and they also invented radiation, or what? Total radiation pollution, + destroyed chemical plants (Bhopal was not the biggest) + bombed nuclear facilities (liquidators will be liquidated). Even a half of the cockroaches will lose 95% of the personnel.
                      18. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 23: 25
                        -2
                        There will be little radiation from thermonuclear charges - most of their elements are about 240 short-lived, the longest-lived ones are Strontium 90, Cesium 137 and Carbon 14, the first two have a half-life of 30 years, the last 5700 years and it will precipitate for a very long time about 1000 years, so there is a danger for a person it will be very conditional, the smoke from chemical plants will spill in the form of chemical rain on the territory of countries in which the factories are burning - "liquidators will be liquidated" - all liquidators will be liquidators - those who survive in the bombed territory, as well as people from all countries of the world - in In case of such disasters, Russia has the Federal Reserve, the Ministry of Emergencies and the RKhBZ decided to increase the number of the latter by 10 times.
                      19. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 23: 50
                        +3
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        There are Rosrezerv, the Ministry of Emergencies and the Russian Chemicals and Chemicals Plant decided to increase the number of the latter by 10 times.

                        Yeah, and also the Russian Guard. Oh, my mummies, give me an injection from rzhaki, and from Vadim. laughing
                      20. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 14 June 2016 00: 14
                        0
                        Quote: mordvin xnumx
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        There are Rosrezerv, the Ministry of Emergencies and the Russian Chemicals and Chemicals Plant decided to increase the number of the latter by 10 times.

                        Yeah, and also the Russian Guard. Oh, my mummies, give me an injection from rzhaki, and from Vadim. laughing

                        Well, but it’s not boring ... and a minimum of heating, I’m so sober for the third day, it’s disgusting ...
                      21. The stranger
                        The stranger 14 June 2016 01: 35
                        0
                        Find serum from vadim - just state your price. I’ll definitely take one batch.
                      22. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 14 June 2016 10: 55
                        0
                        Quote: Alien
                        Find serum from vadim

                        Yeah ... and then Vadim will call himself something else - will this also require serum?

                        Do not .. "there are no black mountains and doors that are not creaky"

                        Let me sleep already ... I'm not at work, I went for a walk .. see profile if
                      23. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 14 June 2016 00: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        Rosrezerv

                        Vadim, I’m not asking what you know about this service .. I’m just wondering wildly - how did you hear this name?

                        This is irony, if that ... this service is not for me and not for you, lord ..
                      24. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 01: 33
                        0
                        I just know that in Russia there are storage facilities of the Rosrezerv - these are reserves of drinking water of products, machinery, equipment, even there are bridges across all the rivers of Russia.
                        This is irony, if that ... this service is not for me and not for you, lord .. - Of course not for you - you need to think about retirement, but this service is not interesting to me.
                      25. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 02: 06
                        0
                        bridges across all rivers of Russia ..
                        Is the bridge across the Volga in the storage room? In Volgograd, business, but did not see the Volga?
                      26. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 10: 26
                        +1
                        They say that there are all bridges, but in reality no one knows for sure, only the head of these warehouses and the President know this.
                      27. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 20: 48
                        0
                        Is it like hiding a bridge across the Volga or the Yenisei in a zashashnik? And how to deploy them?
                      28. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 34
                        0
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        Even a half-cockroach will lose 95% of its personnel.

                        And where have you seen 10 cockroaches in recent years ???
                      29. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 20: 49
                        0
                        And in Russia they are listed in the Red Book?
                      30. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 13 June 2016 23: 47
                        0
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        At minus 70?

                        Good advice: do not argue with moron a child ... he lives in his world .. and will die in it ..

                        What do you want? wink
                      31. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 00: 36
                        +1
                        What do you want?
                        Yes, as well as everyone, fun.
                      32. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 01: 36
                        0
                        You don’t worry about me - I’ll definitely survive you.
                      33. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 02: 07
                        -1
                        What kind of survivor did he go-never read Glukhovsky?
                        I will definitely outlive you.
                        In the case of 3mv, how many hours?
                      34. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 10: 29
                        0
                        For two weeks for sure, a reinforced concrete basement is the best protective shelter from radiation and everything else.
                      35. AllXVahhaB
                        AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 37
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        For two weeks for sure, a reinforced concrete basement is the best protective shelter from radiation and everything else.

                        That stocked up on this?
                      36. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 20: 50
                        -2
                        For two weeks for sure
                        Meet me in hell. Compared to the post-nuclear world, it will be a paradise.
                      37. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 15 June 2016 18: 03
                        0
                        I do not believe in either Hell or Paradise - all people remain in the earth and become a part of it.
                      38. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 15 June 2016 20: 32
                        0
                        I do not believe in either Hell or Paradise - all people remain in the earth and become part of it
                        I also do not believe in bushes in heaven and pans underground. Figuratively expressed, the world will simply collapse.
            2. AllXVahhaB
              AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 20
              +1
              Quote: Anglorussian
              And the complete works of Glukhovsky are also in store? Thrifty, however ..

              Fu !!! Who can stock up? Unless the liberals ...
          3. AllXVahhaB
            AllXVahhaB 14 June 2016 11: 06
            0
            Quote: Vadim237
            Everyone is ready in his own way - I have everything for such "gatherings", even an "umbrella" - Moscow missile defense.

            Are you not one of these, by any chance?
      2. sharp-lad
        sharp-lad 13 June 2016 14: 09
        0
        On resource bases, governing bodies, infrastructure systems, production capacities, too, will fall! By the way, the working-age population is considered a very important military resource.
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 June 2016 18: 35
          0
          There isn’t enough warheads - they’ll spend everything on military installations and you’ll have to choose which priority object, and bombers will also be hammering cruise missiles over the rest.
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 13 June 2016 18: 46
            +1
            Not enough warheads
            However, the argument loses its meaning ... And how many will fly to Moscow?
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 June 2016 20: 20
              0
              Most likely one to one hundred will fly to Moscow.
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 13 June 2016 20: 35
                +2
                Most likely one to one hundred will fly to Moscow.
                Surely more. Well, they’ll start up 50. 30 udsts were shot down (we are optimists). And what will those 20 do with the metropolis? And a storm of fire? In addition, several of them will be torn to the ground (so that all underground utilities turn into mass graves). Gas mask will not help ..
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 13 June 2016 23: 46
                  0
                  Moscow - Red Square and Washington are the primary goals for the ICBMs of the United States and Russia.
          2. NEXUS
            NEXUS 13 June 2016 18: 52
            +3
            Quote: Vadim237
            There isn’t enough warheads - they’ll spend everything on military facilities and you’ll have to choose which priority object,

            For example, a submarine with a nuclear reactor or a surface TARK, or an aircraft carrier ... this is if you weren’t satisfied with the nuclear power plant ...
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 June 2016 20: 18
              0
              There are no warheads and systems in the world that track ships, let alone submarines, and destroy them on the seas and oceans.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 13 June 2016 20: 24
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                There are no warheads and systems in the world that track ships, let alone submarines, and destroy them on the seas and oceans.

                After shooting an arsenal with the same nuclear submarine, it will be destroyed within a few minutes if it is not detected before a salvo. I generally am silent about surface ships with a nuclear reactor.
                1. andj61
                  andj61 13 June 2016 20: 38
                  0
                  Quote: NEXUS
                  After shooting an arsenal with the same nuclear submarine, it will be destroyed within a few minutes if it is not detected before a salvo. I generally am silent about surface ships with a nuclear reactor.

                  good hi So it should also be taken into account that a nuclear reactor is a bunch of pumps, it is noise and vibrations that can be heard very far. Therefore, modern submarines can shoot directly from the mooring wall, but to hide them in the ocean has become very problematic!
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 13 June 2016 21: 08
                  0
                  We had such a means of destroying nuclear submarines - within a few minutes, we wanted to make the P 36M2, but the USSR collapsed and all work was closed - ships on the high seas can only be fought with the help of other ships - alas, the U.S. Navy is far ahead of the rest in terms of this indicator.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 13 June 2016 21: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    ships on the high seas can only be fought with the help of other ships - alas, the US Navy is far ahead of the rest in terms of this indicator.

                    So I am explaining to you what I mean that both the USA and England and we HAVE submarine and surface ships with YaSU. And when you destroy these ships, what kind of infection will you say?
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 June 2016 22: 43
                      0
                      The world's oceans will definitely be polluted, but most of the radiation will remain under water, since there are "rivers" of pressure, temperature and salinity differences where the ships with the YSU will rest - the remains will be there and all the radiation will be - five atomic submarines are already resting in the world ocean 1963 year "Thrasher", 1968 "Scorpion", 1970 K 8, 1986 K 219 - together with 15 ICBMs and 150 warheads, 1989 Submarine Komsomolets 2003 K 159 sank while being towed with two reactors that were not discharged, and in 1985 an explosion occurred nuclear submarine K 431 reactor - the guys recharged the reactor core - about all these incidents that few people remember: neither politicians, nor environmentalists, nor scientists, nor publicists.
                      1. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 22: 55
                        0
                        The oceans are definitely polluted
                        This time everything will be on the surface (river flow) and there will be a lot of it. And surface water does not mix with deep water
                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 14 June 2016 00: 00
                    0
                    Vadim ...

                    You have read some letters, and now you are trying to poke them all in the eyes.

                    This is the wrong practice.

                    I don't know much. I am very interested in the fact that there is this site, where sometimes - joke - "in banter truth is born. "At the same time - here you really learn a lot. Even me, an old mossy dog wink

                    Here no one beats to death, there is exactly - opinions. Confirmed are better than unconfirmed.

                    And there is, I repeat - Vadim .. they are also the Gridasovs and Tolmachi (only not all at once, otherwise the brains will leave ... to rest)

                    - they live in their universe
                    - good luck to all of them
                    - and so that I never saw you again (optional) ...

                    laughing
                    1. Anglorussian
                      Anglorussian 14 June 2016 00: 39
                      0
                      sometimes - joke - "the truth is born in mockery"
                      Precisely noticed. I learned a lot (especially about Britain and its inhabitants belay ) -and my wife quarreled a lot .. No.
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 14 June 2016 01: 45
                      -1
                      You will see more. who is right and who is wrong - practice will show.
  24. t118an
    t118an 13 June 2016 11: 07
    +2
    But the Scandinavians gave Obama the Nobel Peace Prize ... I wonder what he spent it on?
    .... I liked the way the former Romanian prime minister joked about Putin's speech in Greece - "Let's pray to God that Russia does not attack us on the weekend or in July-August, when our supreme commander-in-chief is on vacation in Florida." ..but seriously ...
    How did European countries allow themselves to be harnessed to a cart driven solely by the United States with its global interests?
    =====
    Here, finally! It is necessary to dance from the stove! When investigating a crime, they study the motives of the parties! So notice, finally, the obvious! Stop being silent about it and lying! Once again, the States need a war away from their Borders to write off debts and get out of the crisis! Everyone knows about it!
  25. silver_roman
    silver_roman 13 June 2016 11: 11
    +1
    Putin didn’t just point out that some think in vain that they can blithely sit behind the Atlantic until the war they kindle is blazing in Europe. There are rockets and they will fly first of all through incendiaries, and then (if necessary) and through the participants - those who dare to encroach on our freedom and the lives of our children.
  26. atamankko
    atamankko 13 June 2016 11: 32
    +1
    Mad March is a very accurate title.
  27. Leonid Har
    Leonid Har 13 June 2016 11: 41
    0
    Russian weapons systems are much more modern than, for example, Iraqi ones.
    It is correctly noticed, although with a clear share of underestimation. Weapon systems not only are not inferior to the American and European, but even surpass them.
  28. smith7
    smith7 13 June 2016 11: 49
    0
    Quote: dchegrinec
    This "march" will end quickly as soon as we stamp our feet well! This bunch of unafraid boys will scatter like a pack of mad dogs. And then high-tech technology will join the battle. As soon as the West smells its death, they will immediately begin to sign peace treaties. This is a likely scenario for such stupid NATO actions.


    While this "likely scenario" is activated, half of the land on earth may no longer be habitable and cartridges will be instead of money.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 June 2016 13: 36
      -2
      Only the land where the thermonuclear warheads and the adjacent territory of the radioactive trail directly exploded will be unsuitable for habitation - until Strontium 90 and Cesium 137 decay there - for about 30 years.
      1. NEXUS
        NEXUS 13 June 2016 13: 42
        +1
        Quote: Vadim237
        Only the land where the thermonuclear warheads and the adjacent territory of the radioactive trail directly exploded will be unsuitable for habitation - until Strontium 90 and Cesium 137 decay there - for about 30 years.

        Dear, we have already talked about this topic ...You still haven’t answered the question. How will the planet react to the massive nuclear bombardment by several thousand warheads, which will take 50–30 minutes, not within 40 years?
        And what will happen to some nuclear power plants at the same time?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 13 June 2016 14: 37
          -2
          But she will not react in any way - the temperature on the planet will remain the same, the movement of air currents, atmospheric pressure, the ozone layer, the magnetic field will remain unchanged so that all this needs to be changed is something cooler than thousands of nuclear explosions - all that they will give is air pollution and ecology on a planetary scale. Reactors will drown out - if not people are so automatic.
          1. NEXUS
            NEXUS 13 June 2016 15: 50
            +2
            Quote: Vadim237
            Reactors will drown out - if not people are so automatic.

            Did automation and people help in drowning Chernobyl greatly?
            Quote: Vadim237
            But she will not react in any way - the temperature on the planet will remain the same, the movement of air currents, atmospheric pressure, the ozone layer, the magnetic field will remain unchanged so that all this needs to be changed, something steeper than thousands of nuclear explosions - all that they will give is air pollution and ecology on a planetary scale.

            Blessed is he who believes. Fatigue is a sign of stupidity.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 June 2016 17: 26
              -3
              In Chernobyl, the guys switched to manual mode of reactor control and cut down the protection systems in order to conduct an experiment. "Obstinacy is a sign of stupidity" - Just the practice of using nuclear weapons shows that they do not affect the processes taking place in the biosphere.
              1. NEXUS
                NEXUS 13 June 2016 17: 30
                +2
                Quote: Vadim237
                Just the practice of using nuclear weapons shows that they do not affect the processes taking place in the biosphere.

                Interestingly, this is when practice proved zero impact mass nuclear bombing on the biosphere, hydrosphere, ionosphere, etc. of the Earth? Enlighten, please.
                1. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 13 June 2016 19: 28
                  -1
                  And why are you not a massive test of thermonuclear weapons in the 50s, then almost a hundred high-power explosions were breaking records in terms of power every year, and I will repeat once again each such explosion corresponds in power to the current 10 to 60 and from 100 to 500 warheads and even The "king of the bomb" was a younger brother - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fwE4R3WJXkc At the moment, scientists observe only global warming, but it is not associated with nuclear explosions.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 13 June 2016 19: 33
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    And why isn’t you the mass test of thermonuclear weapons in the 50s, then almost XNUMX explosions of high power were hit by records every year?

                    Hundreds of explosions per year ?! fellowAnd then Ostap suffered ... laughing Eka, you got it. wassat And statistics can be in the studio for testing nuclear weapons in 50 years?
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 13 June 2016 17: 45
                +1
                Quote: Vadim237
                Stubbornness is a sign of stupidity

                - I join. Vadim, this is for you love

                Quote: Vadim237
                In Chernobyl guys

                - these "guys" were more educated and smarter than you by an order of magnitude, I'm ready to argue yes
                - if only because they were put to the control panel of the reactor. Nobody would ever put you there sad

                Quote: Vadim237
                nuclear practice shows

                - nuclear weapons (so far) have been used twice, both times in Japan. Question: what does this "practice" show? Answer: it shows nothing. 20 kilotons ... that's a tactical charge now, yeah ...

                Quote: Vadim237
                they do not affect processes occurring in the biosphere

                - oh, you know the word "biosphere" belay

                I’ll chase you away, listen to it carefully:

                - I had a wife
                - she gave me a baby
                - 2 years after Chernobyl, she (in the Moscow region we lived then) had problems with the thyroid gland
                - the problems were solved promptly, the place of the solution was Novogorsk Moscow Region, there is a wonderful departmental hospital (I worked in a very "military" office then ... accordingly, medicine was at the level)

                Do you want to write off the ow-fall ?? Avotfig ... I do not believe in such things, I have reason ..

                "Do not affect the biosphere" ... well ... hike, my wife was not part of the biosphere, because it even influenced her very well.

                Vadim ... you are a miracle good
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 13 June 2016 17: 58
                  +2
                  Quote: Cat Man Null
                  - I join. Vadim, this is for you

                  Roman, in the previous topic, it was all already ... a person truly believes that sitting somewhere on the beach of Guinea-Papua, he will be watching the evening nuclear glow with a sip while drinking beer, while wearing a gas mask just in case PG21.
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 13 June 2016 18: 37
                    +1
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    a man firmly believes that sitting somewhere on the beach of Guinea-Papua, he, while drinking beer, will soulfully watch the evening nuclear glow, admiring the sunset

                    - no, well, if people believe in something - why bother him?
                    - Vadim designates himself as a "successful entrepreneur", I look at this with surprise .. I lost two friends in the 90s, the guys were much smarter than me ... somehow Vadim does not fit into this picture ... No.

                    Quote: NEXUS
                    At the same time, just in case, wearing a gas mask PG21

                    - Yes, he stuck to him from birth laughing
                    - and in general ... there is Gridasov (a clown from science), there is Tolmach (a clown from ... a polytegy ... lol ) ... well, and finally there is Vadim ...
                    - like, "each creature - hare couple " yes
                    1. Mordvin 3
                      Mordvin 3 13 June 2016 18: 50
                      +3
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Yes, he stuck to him from birth - and in general ... there is Gridasov (a clown from science), there is Tolmach (a clown from ... a polytege ...) ... well, and finally, there is Vadim ...

                      I have more dumb words. crying crying laughing
                      1. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 13 June 2016 20: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        I have more words dumb

                        - Well, Duc ... they don’t love me for that ... comrades

                        - AK64
                        - anadonta
                        - PHANTOM-AS
                        - ... and a lot of different riffraff, like Spartanets300 -

                        these guys removed me to themselves in an emergency .. ostriches, damn it request
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 June 2016 20: 46
                      -3
                      "In the 90s, the guys were much smarter than me ... somehow Vadim ... does not fit into this picture." - I started my own business in 2007 - I just turned out to be smarter than you and your guys.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 20: 54
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        "In the 90s, the guys were much smarter than me ... somehow Vadim ... does not fit into this picture." - I started my own business in 2007 - I just turned out to be smarter than you and your guys.

                        You know, I have one acquaintance like you ... everyone measures money. And his favorite phrase is, if you're so smart, why are you so poor? So, mind and money are often incompatible concepts. The presence of a lot of money is an indicator that you are a more enterprising collector than others and this has nothing to do with the mind.
                        And judging by your posts, you are not an exception to this rule.
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 13 June 2016 20: 59
                        +1
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        "In the 90s, the guys were much smarter than me ... somehow Vadim ... does not fit into this picture." - I started my own business in 2007 - I just turned out to be smarter than you and your guys.

                        You are just lucky, do not flatter yourself .. my friend was killed (postponed, if I may say so ... when the guy was in Lukoil, in a very last position, there, this ... is closer to money)
                        You - smarter than me - yes, I’m exactly, we do not intersect, by happiness ...

                        My guys should not be remembered in vain. For the first time - Lana, forgot.

                        IMHO - Vadim, You are a tree. Alloyed. And this is your happiness.

                        SO FAR request
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 13 June 2016 18: 45
                    -1
                    Even if I am there, I will definitely not see the nuclear glow there, but I will take a gas mask with me, the most important thing is that I have an "alarming suitcase" - it lies and does not ask to eat, if tomorrow thunder breaks out - trouble always comes suddenly, it is better to be ready for this ...
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 13 June 2016 18: 56
                      +3
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Even if I am there, I will definitely not see the nuclear glow there, but I will take a gas mask with me, the most important thing is that I have an "alarming suitcase" - it lies and does not ask to eat, if tomorrow thunder breaks out - trouble always comes suddenly, it is better to be ready for this ...

                      Chumodan to help you and a gas mask do not forget. It is important that with such views, your children perceive you as an adequate person, especially after you put on their heads PG21 and tell them to sleep in it.
                      1. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 20: 37
                        -1
                        It is important that with such views - What views? I don’t have children, I took my business a lot of time and therefore could not get a family, but I became a wealthy person and I still have ahead.
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 20: 39
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        It is important that with such views - What views? I don’t have children, I took my business a lot of time and therefore could not get a family, but I became a wealthy person and I still have ahead.

                        That’s why you argue. If you had children, believe me, everything that you have awarded here would be nonsense to you that those who oppose you are watching, maybe they have wives, children, relatives for whom they worry and worried, finally friends.
                        And now imagine for a moment that one morning, there WILL BE NO ANYTHING.
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 21: 13
                        -1
                        "And now imagine for a moment that one morning, they will NOT be ANYONE." - I can't do anything about it, but I will try to save whoever I can - I will do it with all my strength and means.
                      4. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 21: 16
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        I can’t do anything about it, but try to save anyone I can - I will do it by all means and means.

                        What means will you have to help a person who is irradiated, or burned, or who has become ill with cancer? Well, at least get acquainted with the history of the Chernobyl disaster, by God ...
                      5. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 13 June 2016 21: 11
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        I don’t have children, I took my business quite a lot of time and therefore could not get a family, but I became a wealthy person and I still have ahead

                        - How old are you? Already funny laughing
                  3. Cerberus
                    Cerberus 15 June 2016 14: 35
                    0
                    generally on this topic was a game
                    DEFCON was called
                    good example
                    smart will understand. to give chtoli to the American generals to play ...
                    although no, it’s better to make the townsfolk play.
                    good visual aid.
                    "and those who survive will envy the dead"
                2. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 13 June 2016 19: 06
                  -2
                  And there is evidence that your wife had a problem with the thyroid gland caused by the Chernobyl accident? - there is such a term radiophobia, and with it the search for the primary source of problems with your health - that somewhere there was an emission of radiation, the person was not far from this place, and all his problems are precisely because of this.
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 13 June 2016 20: 07
                    +2
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    And there is evidence that your wife had a problem with the thyroid gland caused by the Chernobyl accident?

                    - Vadim, do you have a wife?
                    - in time, the crate, it coincided well ... Do you believe in owls? I - no, I have reason for this

                    Quote: Vadim237
                    there is such a term radiophobia

                    - I know many different terms .. Many of them you will not like, I assure you ..

                    Quote: Vadim237
                    all his problems are precisely because of this

                    - You will never have problems. Since a tree on a tree is not painful
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 June 2016 20: 28
                      0
                      I will not have problems - since I am not afraid of them and I am ready for them.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 20: 35
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        I will not have problems - since I am not afraid of them and I am ready for them.

                        Is your family ready? Or your relatives, friends? It's not a matter of fear, although one wise man said that only a fool is not afraid.
                        They try to convey to you one simple idea that during the third world war, many will die simultaneously and even more will die after ... and those who survive will reap the consequences of this war for a very long time.
                      2. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 13 June 2016 20: 38
                        +2
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        I will not have problems - since I am not afraid of them and I am ready for them.

                        Vadim ... at the age of twenty I would say so ... at twenty-five - already with an eye ... at thirty - I would ask - what kind of problems are expected ...

                        I’m here five or five soon ... but it’s not a secret to you if?

                        In general, I don’t need it ... it’s just funny to watch you frolic .. after all, someone is watching you for sure, only with completely selfish goals already ..

                        Or do you have security there, from the Batman alone? wink
                      3. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 21: 34
                        0
                        I am half as small as you, - "Observers" are not visible.
                      4. Cat man null
                        Cat man null 13 June 2016 21: 44
                        0
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        I am half as small as you, - "Observers" are not visible.

                        two-seven - two-eight?

                        Vadim .. You are still a child, you need to babysit and swaddle ..

                        I have a daughter - who already served the army on the 90th and is studying biochemistry belay

                        And you there, miracle, are building bomb shelters .. and theories about "half an hour, and everything is as it was" .. haven't played enough yet, hike ..

                        Amusingly wink

                        Quote: Vadim237
                        "Observers" are not visible

                        Well, if you are a trifle at all - they will not be. And if not, normal "observers" should not be seen ...

                        Valim ... hypnosis .. Donald Cook ... Khabina Khabina (Throw, my apologies - your copyright) (!!!), diapers, diapers ... Americans are truses !!

                        This is for you, Vadim love
                      5. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 21: 46
                        0
                        "Observers" are not visible.
                        It means that you have a good shawarma in your stall, no one else has passed through the wound ..
                      6. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 23: 30
                        0
                        I have three car services in Moscow, a spare parts shop for automatic transmissions, and in the Volgograd region production and repair of units.
                      7. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 00: 43
                        0
                        there are three car services in Moscow
                        What about a football club and a superyacht? What about high school?
                      8. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 01: 49
                        0
                        For a football club you have to be Abramovich - I'm not a billionaire.
                      9. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 02: 09
                        0
                        For a football club you have to be Abramovich
                        And for high school do you need to be Lomonosov?
                      10. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 13 June 2016 22: 49
                        0
                        I am 27 and I already have everything - except my family.
                      11. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 22: 50
                        0
                        I am 27 and I already have everything - except my family.
                        And acute radiation sickness.
                      12. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 22: 54
                        +2
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        And acute radiation sickness.
                    2. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 June 2016 20: 37
                      0
                      No I'm not married.
                    3. andj61
                      andj61 13 June 2016 21: 12
                      0
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      And there is evidence that your wife had a problem with the thyroid gland caused by the Chernobyl accident?
                      - Vadim, do you have a wife?
                      - in time, the crate, it coincided well ... Do you believe in owls? I - no, I have reason for this

                      The stump is clear that not all those who have thyroid problems have these problems associated with the Chernobyl accident. Only in the Bryansk region, if we compare the statistics before and after the accident, the number of such cases has increased fivefold. Moreover, very often this happens among those who seem to live in a "clean" zone. And now, 30 years later, when it has already been announced that most of the previously dirty areas have been cleared, the statistics on oncology are still several times higher than the successful years before the accident ... And some return to the dirty area and live, and do not even get sick. Man is a mysterious creature.
                3. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 13 June 2016 19: 13
                  0
                  "These guys were an order of magnitude smarter than you." I will not argue, I would not violate safety procedures in their place, and accordingly, an accident would not have happened - I am a stubborn person.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 13 June 2016 19: 21
                    +2
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    I am a stubborn person.

                    To add to this the concept of "narrow-minded", it would be the very thing.
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 June 2016 20: 25
                      -2
                      In general, I am a practitioner - a stubborn practitioner, but practice does not deceive.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 20: 30
                        +1
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        In general, I am a practitioner - a stubborn practitioner, but practice does not deceive.

                        Did you practice eliminating the consequences of an accident at a nuclear reactor? Or did you participate in a nuclear submarine survivability operation with the danger of an atomic reactor explosion? Or maybe the repositories were re-buried, or were they disposed of?
                      2. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 20: 37
                        +2
                        practice does not fool.
                        It's right. Learn the Chernobyl experience.
                  2. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 13 June 2016 20: 12
                    +1
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    I'm a stubborn man

                    - put this in an avatar laughing
              3. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 13 June 2016 17: 57
                0
                "Obstinacy is a sign of stupidity"
                You really watched the series about the post-apocalyptic romance.
          2. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 13 June 2016 17: 03
            0
            planetary air pollution and ecology
            Even the New Guinean Papuans in the mountain jungle are killed.
            1. Vadim237
              Vadim237 13 June 2016 18: 47
              0
              And what will kill them there? - a fallen tree, perhaps.
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 13 June 2016 18: 50
                0
                And what will kill them there? - a fallen tree, perhaps.
                The ecosystem will collapse. There will be no green birches, as well as coconuts. And the crocodile will not be-just dead.
                1. NEXUS
                  NEXUS 13 June 2016 19: 01
                  +2
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  There will be no green birches, like coconuts

                  Will, only this will be one tree. laughing
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  And the crocodile will not be-just dead.

                  Why is it dead? Three-headed Serpent-Gorynych, with a cigarette in his mouth and speaking in a human voice: Man, there is no smoking? laughing
                  1. Cat man null
                    Cat man null 13 June 2016 20: 15
                    +2
                    Quote: NEXUS
                    Three-headed Serpent-Gorynych, with a cigarette in his mouth and speaking in a human voice: Man, there is no smoking?

                    - I would send
                    - which on drunken blue does not seem to be - that's exactly for these reasons laughing
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 13 June 2016 20: 22
                      +3
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      - I would send

                      Who will send him something, he is the Serpent-Gorynych. wassat
                      Quote: Cat Man Null
                      - which on drunken blue does not seem to be - that's exactly for these reasons

                      So after the fluffy armageddean parades around the planet, it will not be a mirage, but a real character of post-war life. wink Horror! A smoking Serpent-Gorynych swims past a quietly relaxing tourist with PG21 headlong. fellow
                      1. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 20: 38
                        0
                        The smoking Serpent-Gorynych swims past
                        And where will he get the smoke?
                      2. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 20: 45
                        +1
                        Quote: Anglorussian
                        And where will he get the smoke?

                        So it will shoot at the "resting" "Russian Papuans" in gas masks on the bare body. laughing
                      3. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 13 June 2016 21: 04
                        0
                        in gas masks on a barefoot body
                        Well, yes, you won’t smoke it all yourself. Although in Thailand there is, say the craftsmen do not smoke by mouth.
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                2. Cat man null
                  Cat man null 13 June 2016 20: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  And the crocodile will not be-just dead.

                  - and you have no drive and buzz - catch dead cocodril sad
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian 13 June 2016 20: 21
                    0
                    catch dead cocodril
                    I think the drive will be really a bit, especially when the stew is conchita ..
                    1. Cat man null
                      Cat man null 13 June 2016 20: 43
                      0
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      catch dead cocodril
                      I think the drive will be really a bit, especially when the stew is conchita ..

                      Duc ... and rotten krakodayly - are they not stewed ?? laughing

                      This is for Vadim, mostly yes
                      1. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 01: 17
                        0
                        Duc ... and rotten krakodayly - they that, not stew
                        These are boots for a business suit.
                  2. Vadim237
                    Vadim237 13 June 2016 21: 22
                    0
                    Where have you seen crocodiles at sea?
                    1. NEXUS
                      NEXUS 13 June 2016 21: 29
                      +1
                      Quote: Vadim237
                      Where have you seen crocodiles at sea?

                      Saltwater crocodile ... have you heard of this?
                    2. Anglorussian
                      Anglorussian 13 June 2016 21: 30
                      0
                      Where have you seen crocodiles at sea?
                      In Australia and New Guinea, as well as Indonesia, Malaysia, Thailand. In the mangroves. They are called salt-water crocodiles. Catch him crocodylus porosus
                3. Vadim237
                  Vadim237 13 June 2016 20: 42
                  0
                  Yes, in Chernobyl it collapsed so much that now there are people feeding catfish from the bridge with loaves.
                  1. NEXUS
                    NEXUS 13 June 2016 20: 47
                    +2
                    Quote: Vadim237
                    Yes, in Chernobyl it collapsed so much that now there are people feeding catfish from the bridge with loaves.

                    Would you eat such a catfish of Chernobyl fattened, I'm interested?
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 June 2016 21: 21
                      0
                      No, I won’t eat it - since these catfish have been living in the cooler channel for several decades - fish is a condenser of heavy metals, radiation and everything else - let them live further in their Chernobyl fish paradise.
                      1. NEXUS
                        NEXUS 13 June 2016 21: 26
                        +1
                        Quote: Vadim237
                        No, I won’t eat it - since these catfish have been living in the cooler channel for several decades - fish is a condenser of heavy metals, radiation and everything else - let them live further in their Chernobyl fish paradise.

                        Now imagine that such a cooler is all over the planet. And nothing will work to plant, because all the seedlings will "glow" like Christmas trees. Underground streams, rivers, seas and lakes will spread radioactive contamination throughout the planet. Moreover, viruses under Exposure to radiation can also be a big surprise. Think about it, your gas mask and filters will save you a lot.
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 01: 54
                        0
                        Have to survive - what to do. You will have to forget about fishing for 30 years so - then the ecosystem of the world's oceans will recover.
                  2. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian 13 June 2016 21: 07
                    +1
                    there now people feed catfish from the bridge with loaves.
                    This is after how many lives of the liquidators, who carried the graphite reactor on the shovels? And for a stalker, there’s a place where soil and dust were not taken to the grave, they give a monthly dose in a minute. And without liquidation? If the reactor also burned out?
                    1. Vadim237
                      Vadim237 13 June 2016 23: 36
                      0
                      So apparently the reactor just "burned out" - most of 90% of the total mass of the reactor was scattered over the adjacent territory and carried away in the form of radioactive dust.
                      1. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 14 June 2016 00: 47
                        0
                        So apparently the reactor just "burned out"
                        And read the memoirs of the liquidators? Can a kinzo look? Although crocodiles are also shown on TV ... wassat
                      2. Vadim237
                        Vadim237 14 June 2016 02: 01
                        0
                        I looked - concrete was poured under the reactor, we thought that a second explosion would happen, but then it turned out that all the fuel had melted and it turned out to be much less in the reactor than was supposed.
  29. elenfrolenkov
    elenfrolenkov 13 June 2016 12: 19
    +1
    No normal person wants to start a nuclear war. These crazy Western politicians all cherish the thought of world domination. Only it can happen that as a result of their madness all life on planet Earth will disappear.
    1. sharp-lad
      sharp-lad 13 June 2016 14: 12
      +1
      Cockroaches, rats and fools will stay! laughing
      1. The stranger
        The stranger 14 June 2016 03: 20
        0
        No, fools will die. They can exist only in a quiet, comfortable world. And they thrive only in the tolerastic.
        It's like street dogs - either smart or dead.
        1. Anglorussian
          Anglorussian 14 June 2016 03: 38
          0
          No, fools will die.
          They are always lucky, which confirms the history of mankind.
          1. The stranger
            The stranger 14 June 2016 03: 50
            +1
            Yes, you can’t argue ... (((
  30. bad
    bad 13 June 2016 12: 22
    +3
    If a big war starts in Europe, then, in all likelihood, atomic weapons will be used. And who will pay for all this? Will it be the Baltic states, Poland or Scandinavia?
    ..that is for you all and reaches out, we will not deprive anyone .. soldier
  31. Vadim237
    Vadim237 13 June 2016 14: 00
    +1
    There was already a catastrophe in Russia, it can be considered comparable to a nuclear attack - a fire in 2010 on an area of ​​500000 hectares
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 14 June 2016 02: 58
      0
      A young man with so much money could take care of his education. A couple of books, of course, is not enough, but can you afford more?

      All this is in no way comparable to nuclear explosions. Whether they are three orders of magnitude smaller. It seems to me that you have your goodness to linger for a short time - you do not know how to evaluate values, compare them, and draw conclusions about the consequences, based on the nature of a phenomenon. To do this, you do not need to be either a nuclear scientist or a climatologist - these are universal algorithms. In other words, you do not know how to think.
      So your posts are a waste of time for the good people who answer you.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 15 June 2016 18: 53
        0
        The nuclear topic is of interest to me. "All this is in no way comparable with nuclear explosions" Standard calculation - our energy is measured in J, in the summer of 2010, 97 million cubic meters of wood burned down - according to conservative estimates, when burning 1 kilogram of dry wood, it releases thermal energy 15 MJ - 1 ton of TNT, with explosion, releases an energy of 4184000000J - a thermonuclear charge of 1 megaton is a million times larger and with the help of a simple calculation we get that in the summer of 2010 on the territory of Russia, in the course of fires, heat energy was released as from an explosion of 347 megaton thermonuclear charges - this is equivalent in power 1156 standard warheads that are currently in service - with a capacity of 300 kilotons. - "You do not know how to evaluate values, compare them, and draw conclusions about the consequences, based on the nature of some phenomenon." - I'll go and read clever books.
  32. vlad-58
    vlad-58 13 June 2016 16: 24
    0
    Nikolai Serbsky, "Unattainable Land" ... the book is like this.
    So - in this book he very accurately predicted the destruction of the twin towers in New York (without any double interpretations).
    Other seers also predict the beginning of World War III: the Turks will begin; as a result, Turkey will disappear as a state ... Romania, the Czech Republic will disappear, Germany will be redrawn ... and so on! ...
    ----
    ... interested - yes they will look (no need to google! ...)
  33. Evil 55
    Evil 55 13 June 2016 16: 40
    0
    A Russian soldier, armed with a Kalashnikov assault rifle and dry rations, is practically immortal ...
  34. Old warrior
    Old warrior 13 June 2016 17: 00
    0
    In the coming war, and it will (will not allow us to live in peace), it is necessary to make sure that those around us (literally) lose much more than we do.
    1. TOR2
      TOR2 13 June 2016 19: 54
      +3
      After reading the article and comments I recalled one article on the website of the translation. An interview with a British newspaper was given by one of Her Majesty's retired generals. The article talked about how with the help of one powerful atomic bomb the Russian Federation mixes all NATO maps, and for Britain this will have disastrous consequences. It was further discussed about the weak flank of NATO in Scandinavia and that no strike would be struck on any particular country. Scandinavia, Britain, so what did the British general say so floridly? If you carefully look at the map, then everything becomes clear. Given the wind rose, such an explosion cannot be atmospheric, which means underwater. An underwater explosion of high power in this area will provoke seismic activity and a wave of the order of 20-30m. tall. Then it started. To block our northern fleet, the mattresses plan to fit 3 aircraft-carrying troughs to this area. A ride on the crest of such a wave at the trough will tear off everything you can from the mounts. The coast of Norway (Khan's oil rigs and LNG terminals) and Britain will be a miserable sight. It is clear that the coastal structures of the northern geyropa will also not withstand such a hydroblow. Left without key ports, NATO will lose the logistics of supplying its army invading our territory. Cargo from the mattress will have to lead through almost the entire geyropu. In this situation, some members (NATO) will no longer have time for war.
  35. Olegater
    Olegater 13 June 2016 19: 29
    +2
    There are not many people like Jens Jörgen Nielsen in Europe, their influence and opinion in the Western media has no weight - it's a pity. But the political and economic crowd, having real power, and following the orders of not even a louse, but of the planet's economic elites, is the one who poses the greatest danger. As VI Lenin said: "If you offer a good price, the capitalists will sell the rope itself, on which they will be hung." The world elite offered the European capitalists a good price in the form of plundering Russia (the funny thing is, if the Europeans were promised a lot, this does not mean that they will be allowed to do it). And the Europeans sold the rope (figuratively speaking, their independence) to the world elite, and then climbed into the loop of the same rope under the pressure of the world elite. And they (Europe) will not give back and it remains to provoke Russia to war. Even if the consequences of such a step are disastrous.
  36. Legionnaire 030
    Legionnaire 030 13 June 2016 20: 51
    0
    Good afternoon.
    The guys just read the news that the Israeli Air Force bombed the Syrian military. I have a question - the Russian Federation seems to have delivered Syria C 300, but so far the Israelis have bombed Syria and are bombing. Was all the praise of this complex in vain? Maybe someone heard something on this issue?
    1. andj61
      andj61 13 June 2016 21: 21
      +1
      Quote: Legionnaire 030
      I have a question - the Russian Federation seems to have delivered Syria C 300, but so far the Israelis have bombed Syria and are bombing.

      So Putin already said that this complex was not delivered because of Israel’s concern. And Assad Putin understood ...
      But to use the S-300 against Israel is some kind of masochism. Firstly, you cannot do with one complex; you need an air defense system; secondly, the distance to the military bases is small, Israel can quickly destroy such a complex even without the use of aviation. Moreover, the Arabs are such warriors that, according to the experience of using the previous generation air defense systems, it is better not to give them such weapons at all: it will be cheaper and their planes will be more intact.
      Providing the Syrian army with such complexes is a way to escalate the conflict with Israel. Now Israel, mainly because of the Hezbollah or shelling of its territory, is attacking, otherwise it will be anyway. And this is not even Assad needed.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 13 June 2016 21: 37
      0
      In Syria, our C 400s are standing, but it is strictly forbidden to open fire on Israeli aircraft - we have friendly relations with Israel.
      1. andj61
        andj61 13 June 2016 21: 56
        0
        Quote: Vadim237
        In Syria, our C 400s are standing, but it is strictly forbidden to open fire on Israeli aircraft - we have friendly relations with Israel.

        There is only one S-400. And also air defense systems on ships. And this is very, very small.
  37. earloop
    earloop 13 June 2016 21: 32
    0
    Some will be "calibrated" as normal, and zealous, depending on the degree of zeal, will be "calibrated" with nuclear. Such is life.
  38. Mentat
    Mentat 13 June 2016 23: 42
    +3
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    Quote: Max
    After World War 3, there will remain a world in which one cannot live.

    Well, why not, you can, and even not bad. Not in a city, of course, in a village. Plant a potato, radish. Cities will be destroyed, because the Internet, TV and phone will not distract you from the beds and harvesting firewood.
    Fallen women will disappear from the streets, the golden youth will be no different from ordinary people. But people lived in the 17th century without everything that surrounds you today and nothing.

    What nonsense ... The streets themselves and generally favorable living areas will disappear not from the streets.

    Where are cities and industrial centers built now? In convenient places, close to reserves of fresh water, minerals, vast regions of rich soil. After a massive exchange of nuclear strikes, these regions will be reset, infected and inaccessible.

    Moreover, have you seen a map of the distribution of population density? The population will disappear almost completely. Almost all carriers of technological knowledge will disappear.

    There will be no 17th century streets and potatoes. You carry nonsense on a blue eye. There will be a handful of survivors trying to avoid walking areas of radioactive fallout and zones of destruction by the weapon. And it remains to be seen what combat viruses will turn into under the influence of mutagenic factors (radiation, emissions of chemical pollution resulting from the destruction of industrial zones). If there is an exchange of blows for destruction, everyone will be pulled out of secret laboratories. Moreover, this will be in conditions of lack and impossibility of the reproduction of complex medicines.

    And these heaps of survivors will poke around in the ground and pray, so as not to die out due to mutations from radiation, complicated by the reduction of the gene pool and the unknown rabid infection, which was poisoned by water bodies.

    So leave your sick fantasies about a happy post-nuclear society to yourself.
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 14 June 2016 03: 11
      0
      Well, yes, the population is exclusively in the aluvial river valleys, and on the coasts of the seas and oceans. It's just that agriculture is possible there.
      And as luck would have it - they all coincide with tectonic faults :) That is, on the contrary, good places are good, because there are faults under them, otherwise it does not work out in geophysics with climatology. True, people learned that they were the most dangerous in the tectonic and thermonuclear sense as early as the XNUMXth century, when it was too late to change something. No resources for resettlement are enough.
      And therefore, not only out of fear, no one shoots big bombs, because everyone will have a khan. And you can shout. If you choose trump - this will be a favorite topic. And if a crazy pensioner - she can shoot. If its generals do not pack in time in the psychiatric hospital.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 14 June 2016 10: 39
        0
        "And if a crazy pensioner, she can shoot. If the generals do not pack her in a psychiatric hospital on time." Most likely, this crazy woman will be elected to the presidency and the generals will not pack her - they are one team.
  39. cedar
    cedar 14 June 2016 11: 32
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    The task before the rulers of the Earth who consider themselves is the following, the reduction of humanity by 90%, and how and in what ways, this is not only a matter of military science and technology. Poisons, viruses, etc., which is not invented for the destruction of the human race, including a certain stubborn "Vadim" and others like him ..!
    The former present of the USSR Gorbachev was also noted in this hunt for a Man "We must speak more openly about sexuality, contraception, abortion, the importance of birth control, because the ecological crisis is, in short, a demographic crisis. Reduce your population by 90% - and there will simply not be enough people to call
    an ecological catastrophe. ”This puppet voiced the readiness of his puppeteers to do anything, and above all, a moral and ethical catastrophe of humanity in Man, after which civilized cannibals will inhabit the planet!
    This reduction-destruction of humanity is cooing, perhaps the next US presentation Clinton "This year the US resumed funding
    reproductive health through the United Nations Population Fund, and
    more investment is expected. More than $ 648 million has recently been allocated by the US Congress. foreign aid worldwide for family planning and reproductive health programs... I must add that this is the largest allocation of funds in more than ten years - since we had a Democratic president. "Interestingly, she has a certain Nina Fedorova as an advisor, who advises" We need to continue to reduce the rate of growth of the world's population; the planet cannot contain more people. "
    What kind of war, what kind of attack, dear ones, are you still waiting for if drugs, alcohol, debauchery, etc. "non-lethal" weapons are delivered to the country, the corresponding units of Russia's enemies and enemies are armed with them, and they have been using them successfully for 25 years now? Look at territorial, economic, financial, technological and other indicators and realize the extent of losses in this war. The world's puppeteers, in connection with the emergence of a counter-force in the person of President Putin, decided to speed up the planned end of the Russian Federation.
    A crazy march has long been going on in Russia. See the root.
  40. dvs73
    dvs73 14 June 2016 20: 06
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    Quote: Alien
    Simultaneous explosion of all nuclear charges in one place, throw the planet out of orbit. But it will change the total energy of the atphosphere (the most frail system on the planet, by the way), by only 6%. However, for a wild climate catastrophe, that's enough.
    What will happen with large tectonic faults, or with large volcanoes when targeted for them, is still debated.
    But one way or another, the current civilization will disappear. How many people will survive, and whether they can start all over again is also a question.

    in power, even the explosion of the volcano Krakatau will not reach wink
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 15 June 2016 01: 31
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      In terms of power, as well as a useful impulse, it exceeds even the impact of a comet that split the moon from the proto-earth. For even he did not greatly move the orbit.
      And also, if it’s not difficult for you, please return to the physicist for the sixth grade. It seems that the difference between energy and power is first discussed there.
    2. Vadim237
      Vadim237 15 June 2016 19: 20
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      The total nuclear strategic equivalent of the USA and Russia is 2696 megatons and all this energy must be divided into the area of ​​Europe in Russia and the USA, and this is 36 million square kilometers - the planet will not even move a centimeter from orbit.
  41. Streich
    Streich 14 June 2016 21: 53
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    I'm not talking about an article, I'm talking about a photo or a collage. There is a bear and a dog, there is a dog Laika Siberian. Stupid collage and stupid second bottom. The bear seems to be like Russia, and the dog (pug) West.
    When you do something, you need to at least a little bit imagine who Laika is. If there would have been some kind of terrier or the like, okay, but NOT A LIKE. These dogs are specially trained on a bear and if she clings to a bear she will die, but she will not let her prey. Read about these wonderful dogs and no less wonderful bears.