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Russia will build 12 powerful warships equipped with 200 missiles each (The National Interest, USA)

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It is expected that the Russian United Shipbuilding Corporation will sign a contract with the Kremlin for the construction of a new powerful destroyer project 23560 «leader», after his final appearance it will be approved later this year.

“At present, the conceptual design of 23560“ Leader ”is under consideration by the Ministry of Defense,” said Igor Ponomarev, USC Vice President for Military Shipbuilding. “After a positive decision, the technical design of the ship and the documentation for the construction of the ship will be developed within the time specified by the Ministry of Defense as part of the contract to be signed.”



The new warship, which will be classified as a destroyer, will have a displacement of about 17,5 thousands of tons, have a length of 200 meters and a width of 20 meters, that is, will be more massive than most heavy cruisers of the Second World War era. Destroyer class "Leader", on board which, as expected, will be no less than 200 missiles, will be the second largest modern surface combatant ships, second only to the heavy nuclear missile cruisers of the 1144 "Orlan" project.

This new destroyer will be equipped with anti-aircraft, anti-missile and anti-submarine defense. Most likely, he will also have the ability to attack ground targets, in particular with the help of Caliber-NK long-range cruise missiles. Although little is known about destroyers of the Leader class, these ships will be equipped with 60 anti-ship cruise missiles, 128 anti-aircraft guided missiles and 16 anti-ship guided missiles. While accurate information about the combination of various missiles that will be on board the destroyer, no, but the air defense systems are likely to become variants of the C-400 or C-500, while anti-ship guns will become variants of the supersonic Zircon rocket.

So far, Russia has provided quite a bit of information about the Leader destroyer engine, but most likely this ship will be atomic and will be able to reach speeds in 30 nodes. He will probably also be able to stay at sea without support for 90 days. At the end of last year, representatives of the US Naval Intelligence Agency suggested that Russia would build 12 new warships.

“Depending on the type of engine, these ships can have a displacement of 8 to 18 thousand tons, combining the characteristics of destroyers and destroyers and possessing powerful means of warfare in the air, on the water and under water, as well as missile defense systems. According to some reports, Russia intends to build six such ships for the Northern and Pacific fleets (12 in total), according to a report of the Office of Naval Intelligence on the Russian military the fleet. - The main unit is likely to be built no earlier than the mid-2020s. There were reports in the media that the decision on the engine - whether it would be a traditional gas turbine or nuclear engine - has not yet been made. The final version may depend on the decisions that need to be made in relation to the new aircraft carrier, which, if it is built, is likely to be nuclear. ”

If we assume that Russia will be able to build ships of the Leader class in its current economic situation, these new destroyers will outnumber the largest surface warships in the US Navy. Moreover, the atomic engine will allow these large warships to perform operations around the world, without needing to refuel and enter the port. This will allow Moscow to obtain an effective force projection tool, which is close to the carrier-based strike force.
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 12 June 2016 15: 02
    +49
    "will be classified as a destroyer"

    A gunboat with monitors, we are not going to do? smile

    “So far Russia has provided quite a bit of information about the engine of the Leader destroyer, but most likely this ship will be nuclear and will be able to reach a speed of 30 knots. It will probably also be able to remain at sea without support for 90 days. US naval intelligence has suggested that Russia will build 12 new warships. "

    While we are thinking about what "Leader" will be, Dave has already decided everything. yes
    1. Dimontius
      Dimontius 12 June 2016 15: 05
      +24
      Elegant layout, with two domes, purely in the Russian style =)
      1. oldseaman1957
        oldseaman1957 12 June 2016 15: 13
        +16
        Quote: Dimontius
        with two domes, purely in the Russian style =)
        - The goal is good, large ... Isn't it better to build not 12 large, but 200 small ones, but with "Caliber", so that it would be almost impossible to keep track of them all. And then "friends" striped permanent hemorrhoids.
        1. Seaman77
          Seaman77 12 June 2016 15: 28
          +72
          Quote: oldseaman1957
          12 large, and 200 small, but with "Calibers", so that it was almost impossible to keep track of them all.


          Give each fisherman a Caliber !!! Us then XP..n will defeat!

          Ready to overfulfill the plan, and take 2 (two) Caliber and Khibiny! fellow
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 June 2016 16: 52
            +10
            Quote: Seaman77
            Ready to overfulfill the plan, and take 2 (two) Caliber

            Will you kick in?
            1. Seaman77
              Seaman77 12 June 2016 17: 08
              +14
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Quote: Seaman77
              Ready to overfulfill the plan, and take 2 (two) Caliber

              Will you kick in?


              Matches ...
            2. Pereira
              Pereira 12 June 2016 17: 17
              +5
              A Bikford cord for what?
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 12 June 2016 17: 32
                +31
                Quote: Pereira
                A Bikford cord for what?

                Quote: Seaman77
                Matches ...

                Oh pretty bad it will end laughing
                1. Seaman77
                  Seaman77 12 June 2016 17: 42
                  +19
                  Quote: Alexander Romanov
                  Quote: Pereira
                  A Bikford cord for what?

                  Quote: Seaman77
                  Matches ...

                  Oh pretty bad it will end laughing



                  Nothing. I have 14 souls on board Filipinos. Something like two Caliber is enough ... lol And there are also Indians, Georgians, Latvians ... Launch!
                  1. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 12 June 2016 19: 11
                    +17
                    Quote: Seaman77
                    I am on board Filipinos 14 souls ... And there are also Indians, Georgians, Latvians ...
                    What flag does this international brigade work under? Is it really Jolly Roger?belay Then you need to give 5 "Calibers", but on receipt (and the political officer is higher) yes
                    1. Andrey Yuryevich
                      Andrey Yuryevich 12 June 2016 19: 20
                      +4
                      Quote: Thunderbolt
                      What flag does this international brigade work under?

                      "somali" * y * and ... wassat
                      1. Seaman77
                        Seaman77 12 June 2016 19: 40
                        +9
                        Quote: Andrew Y.
                        Quote: Thunderbolt
                        What flag does this international brigade work under?

                        "somali" * y * and ... wassat


                        There is a problem with the flag of Somalia. There should be a home port. And in Somalia it’s hard to find one .... laughing
                    2. Seaman77
                      Seaman77 12 June 2016 19: 24
                      +10
                      Quote: Thunderbolt
                      Quote: Seaman77
                      I am on board Filipinos 14 souls ... And there are also Indians, Georgians, Latvians ...
                      What flag does this international brigade work under? Is it really Jolly Roger?belay Then you need to give 5 "Calibers", but on receipt (and the political officer is higher) yes


                      Our flag is the green banner of Islam ... Port of home - Dammam.
                      But I wouldn’t refuse a sensible political officer. And then I'm alone somehow .... tired.
                      Can you go, Alex? hi
                      1. Pereira
                        Pereira 12 June 2016 19: 39
                        +5
                        I will go.
                        I really don’t know languages. Only administrative. I’ll deal with Georgians and Latvians. And they will retell the Filipinos.
                        The rest is normal, do not hesitate.
                      2. Seaman77
                        Seaman77 12 June 2016 19: 49
                        +8
                        Quote: Pereira
                        And they will retell the Filipinos.


                        There are no problems with phyllins. They train well. laughing
                      3. Pereira
                        Pereira 12 June 2016 21: 37
                        0
                        Well, so, write in a personal. Unless, of course, you are not exquisitely joked.
                  2. Thunderbolt
                    Thunderbolt 12 June 2016 19: 48
                    +2
                    With great pleasure, but not trained in languages. So leave fatigue on the shore and to new victories, new achievements!
                  3. Seaman77
                    Seaman77 12 June 2016 20: 00
                    +7
                    Quote: Thunderbolt
                    but not trained in languages.


                    Do you know how well Filipinos speak "Russian swearing"? I sometimes feel shy ... repeat
                    So this is the future international language, not English or Esperanto ... laughing
                    The Chinese, by the way, are also studying it ... laughing but their pronunciation is still difficult. laughing
          2. Aljavad
            Aljavad 12 June 2016 19: 38
            +6
            Oh pretty bad it will end laughing


            Khibiny - Khibiny, but the officer on the video is a hammer!
          3. xtur
            xtur 12 June 2016 21: 12
            0
            when Central Asians were trained in the use of grenades, our officers and sergeants lost a few kg
            1. Andrey Skokovsky
              Andrey Skokovsky 13 June 2016 16: 21
              0
              I saw this video on YouTube
              signed as training for the army of the PRC
    2. Castor oil
      Castor oil 12 June 2016 17: 17
      +4
      Quote: Seaman77
      Give each fisherman a Caliber !!! Us then XP..n will defeat!

      Ready to overfulfill the plan, and take 2 (two) Caliber and Khibiny!

      Fish Inspection Against !!! lol
  2. lelikas
    lelikas 12 June 2016 15: 30
    +4
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    And then "friends" striped permanent hemorrhoids.

    No, it won't work, then immediately build the coastal batteries on a new one and sit on your "island", judging by the layout - we have nothing to do with the PAR canvases - we will stick them all over with them.
  3. bulvas
    bulvas 12 June 2016 15: 32
    +6

    ... these latest destroyers will surpass the largest surface warships in the US Navy. Moreover, the nuclear engine will allow these large warships to carry out operations around the world without the need for refueling and calling at the port. This will allow Moscow to get an effective force projection tool, similar in strength to an aircraft carrier strike group.


    Horror!

    Terrible, aggressive Russia, it is necessary to restrain it

    1. Seaman77
      Seaman77 12 June 2016 17: 12
      +10
      Quote: bulvas
      Horror!

      Terrible, aggressive Russia, it is necessary to restrain it


      Almost a topic, but ..

      Our fans have given "lyuly" to the British in Marseille. We are waiting for new sanctions, doping scandals and articles of the respected hi Dave!

      tongue
    2. Eugen
      Eugen 15 June 2016 14: 08
      0
      And running to the Congress - "Give me money, otherwise they are thinking again!" smile
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  5. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 12 June 2016 16: 51
    +2
    Yes, with this approach, warships are not needed at all - on dry cargo ships containers with a CLAB will be delivered and we will be happy. For the fleet we need ships of different displacement, from boats to destroyers and aircraft carriers. Let such a "good target" just pass by the foe, choke on feces. ...
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Quote: Dimontius
    with two domes, purely in the Russian style =)
    - The goal is good, large ... Isn't it better to build not 12 large, but 200 small ones, but with "Caliber", so that it would be almost impossible to keep track of them all. And then "friends" striped permanent hemorrhoids.
  6. Koshak
    Koshak 12 June 2016 17: 39
    +19
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Wouldn't it be better to build not 12 large, but 200 small ones, but with "Calibers", so that it would be almost impossible to keep track of them all. And then "friends" striped permanent hemorrhoids.

    And the fig? Everything has already been invented. Any barge is a missile cruiser.
    1. Observer2014
      Observer2014 12 June 2016 18: 53
      +5
      Koshak
      hi
      And the fig? Everything has already been invented. Any barge is a missile cruiser.

      It is necessary to support comrade "Seaman77" in his impulse to become a "rocket-ship" strike ship good
  7. bashkir
    bashkir 12 June 2016 19: 37
    +8
    smaller ones will not reach the launch zone
  8. Navigator
    Navigator 12 June 2016 20: 12
    +13
    Russia needs ships of the Oken zone. Well, we rivet rocket boats, and then what? seaworthiness is small, autonomy too. They will walk in coastal waters. You cannot send them to Syria. If they still play an important role in the Black Sea Fleet, since the puddle is small, then in the north and the far east their relevance is not great. If you follow your logic, you can generally just rivet barges and put gauges on them. Let the Americans tremble.
    1. kuz363
      kuz363 12 June 2016 20: 27
      +2
      By the way, this would be no worse than the BZHRK. Or maybe better. No need to spend money on the railway, and even rivers and lakes in Russia are rampant.
      1. the most important
        the most important 12 June 2016 22: 07
        +7
        Quote: kuz363
        By the way, this would be no worse than the BZHRK. Or maybe better. No need to spend money on the railway, and even rivers and lakes in Russia are rampant.

        especially in winter ... swim in any direction ...
        1. poquello
          poquello 13 June 2016 00: 15
          +7
          Quote: the most important
          Quote: kuz363
          By the way, this would be no worse than the BZHRK. Or maybe better. No need to spend money on the railway, and even rivers and lakes in Russia are rampant.

          especially in winter ... swim in any direction ...

          barge haulers in earflaps and felt boots are pulling a barge with calibers on ice
    2. stas-xnumx
      stas-xnumx 15 June 2016 08: 47
      0
      I agree ...
    3. stas-xnumx
      stas-xnumx 15 June 2016 08: 47
      0
      I agree ...
  9. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 12 June 2016 21: 07
    -1
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Quote: Dimontius
    with two domes, purely in the Russian style =)
    - The goal is good, large ... Isn't it better to build not 12 large, but 200 small ones, but with "Caliber", so that it would be almost impossible to keep track of them all. And then "friends" striped permanent hemorrhoids.

    An interesting thought, colleague, I want to support you. hi
  10. sharp-lad
    sharp-lad 12 June 2016 21: 38
    +1
    Nuclear reactor and steam turbine plants will not fit! smile But seriously, in small missile ships the autonomy is too small and seaworthiness is very limited.
  11. Nick
    Nick 12 June 2016 23: 45
    +2
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    The goal is good, large ... Isn't it better to build not 12 large, but 200 small ones, but with "Calibers", so that it would be almost impossible to keep track of them all. And then "friends" striped permanent hemorrhoids.

    And what do they do in the coastal zone of Russia in such numbers? What do we need, apart from the coastal fleet? Small ships have a limited range. Only relatively large ships can go in the ocean zone. Yes, and powerful weapons can not be installed on boats. Drown s. request
    1. ver_
      ver_ 13 June 2016 07: 43
      +1
      ... but depending on what they are made of, it doesn’t sink in the water (...) - so you can try ..
      1. Nick
        Nick 17 June 2016 23: 21
        0
        Quote: ver_
        ... but depending on what they are made of, it doesn’t sink in the water (...) - so you can try ..

        Of course, it doesn’t sink! .. Tokma will spread a wave all over the coast, belay greenpeace will swear a lot however am hi
  12. Gennady Chepur
    Gennady Chepur 13 June 2016 07: 06
    +2
    The fleet must be balanced. These 12 destroyers are ocean-going ships. Their task is to provide sea communications and resist aircraft carrier formations. Small ships of the Buyan type are coastal ships with a small radius and autonomy. They are applicable in the Baltic, in the Black Sea, in the Caspian Sea, in the region of the Kuril Islands, but not in the ocean. At one time, the Soviet fleet has already experienced a fascination with mosquito ships ... Is it worth repeating the mistake?
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  15. Ros 56
    Ros 56 13 June 2016 08: 44
    0
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    not 12 large, but 200 small,


    Of course, getting into the small is more difficult, although with the current guidance systems the grandmother said in two. But here's what to do with seaworthiness, it has long been known that a large ship is easier to withstand stormy weather and sea swell.
    1. poquello
      poquello 13 June 2016 12: 17
      +1
      Quote: Ros 56
      Of course, getting into the small is more difficult, although with the current guidance systems the grandmother said in two.

      in 080808 they hit perfectly, but the Georgians didn’t have time to enter the attack zone
  16. silver_roman
    silver_roman 13 June 2016 09: 20
    +1
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    not 12 large, but 200 small

    and stick around the entire sea border with boats?
    and who will the Yankees get nervous in the Gulf of Mexico?
    besides, you can't put normal air defense on a "small car".
    I think that such ships as "Leader" are badly needed by our fleet. I would even say that much more than aircraft carriers.
    I really don’t understand what causes such tonnage? A very large ship is obtained.
    1. Ustinov 055 055
      Ustinov 055 055 14 June 2016 09: 45
      0
      Quote: silver_roman
      I really don’t understand what causes such tonnage? A very large ship is obtained.

      So it can be seen that Peter the Great was stripped of his appearance and the tonnage is appropriate, the nuclear power plant will entail a large enough volume, and of course there are many pluses.
    2. Ustinov 055 055
      Ustinov 055 055 14 June 2016 09: 45
      0
      Quote: silver_roman
      I really don’t understand what causes such tonnage? A very large ship is obtained.

      So it can be seen that Peter the Great was stripped of his appearance and the tonnage is appropriate, the nuclear power plant will entail a large enough volume, and of course there are many pluses.
      1. goose
        goose 14 June 2016 10: 36
        -1
        Quote: Ustinov 055 055
        So it’s visible it’s Peter the Great

        But still. Peter is not much larger than this destroyer. In conditions when there is no ship’s composition of the core, it’s unreasonable to lay ships with nuclear power plants, which have a 30% greater displacement, and the initial cost is off scale.
        It seems to me that it was possible to keep within the size of "Slava" of the order of 10 kilotons without nuclear power plants and retain sufficient autonomy and weapons. A cruising range of more than 6 thousand is not particularly in demand in the presence of modern supply ships, and given that 80% of the tasks are at a distance of up to 4 thousand km.
  17. AllXVahhaB
    AllXVahhaB 13 June 2016 09: 32
    0
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    Wouldn't it be better to build not 12 large, but 200 small ones, but with "Calibers", so that it would be almost impossible to keep track of them all.

    And range and autonomy?
  18. Torpedo driver
    Torpedo driver 13 June 2016 15: 27
    -3
    I support the author, it’s better less, but a lot, and so that they are evil and dangerous as piranhas !!
  19. GSH-18
    GSH-18 13 June 2016 20: 25
    -1
    This will allow Moscow to get an effective tool for projecting force, similar in strength to an aircraft carrier strike group.

    And who said that these destroyers will not eventually be equipped with an aircraft carrier?
  20. Corsair
    Corsair 14 June 2016 17: 23
    0
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    - The goal is good, large ... Isn't it better to build not 12 large, but 200 small ones, but with "Caliber", so that it would be almost impossible to keep track of them all.

    Autonomy will suffer, plus the defenses of ships, small boats do not usually go around the oceans.
  21. yehat
    yehat 14 June 2016 18: 45
    0
    with 30mm calibres? laughing
  22. Aqela
    Aqela 16 June 2016 01: 15
    0
    Considering that it is planned to pack 4 calibers into the volume of a standard container and at least two into a KamAZ trailer, it’s quite easy to cram a couple of them on almost every trawler ... You’ll get a damn fishing! belay
  • GSVG 86-88
    GSVG 86-88 12 June 2016 17: 24
    +1
    ... in the Soviet style.
  • Denis Obukhov
    Denis Obukhov 12 June 2016 17: 59
    +7
    What ships ?! Our economy is torn to shreds! We are practically on our knees !!
    1. Aljavad
      Aljavad 12 June 2016 19: 40
      +4
      We are practically on our knees !!


      Just berets lace up! soldier
  • Pilot
    Pilot 12 June 2016 18: 33
    +1
    Quote: Dimontius
    Elegant layout, with two domes, purely in the Russian style =)

    And if you cut one Leader into 500 Buyans?
  • Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 12 June 2016 21: 06
    +1
    Quote: Dimontius
    Elegant layout, with two domes, purely in the Russian style =)

    I agree with your sarcasm, if of course I understand correctly. But let me clarify one thing, in the Russian style there are at least three domes, if you are of course talking about the church, a colleague. hi
  • gav6757
    gav6757 12 June 2016 22: 27
    +1
    It doesn’t matter what it will be called, if only it would be effective and that it would crap one's pants!
    Peter, in his time, raised the fleet, God will give a country with an army and a fleet to be reborn !!!
  • Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 13 June 2016 09: 34
    0
    Quote: Dimontius
    Elegant layout, with two domes, purely in the Russian style =)

    Rather original, or rather exotic. The sailboat reminds.
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 13 June 2016 20: 16
    -1
    New warship to be classified as destroyer

    A strange classification ... 200 missiles on board, and a destroyer request
    Rather, it is a missile destroyer. And judging by the size, in the region of 200 meters in length, it is larger than our Moskva-class cruisers!
  • GSH-18
    GSH-18 13 June 2016 20: 23
    0
    The final version may depend on the decisions that need to be made in relation to the new aircraft carrier, which, if it is built, is likely to be nuclear ”

    Most likely the reactors are stuck everywhere.
  • Alexander Romanov
    Alexander Romanov 12 June 2016 15: 07
    +14
    Quote: Vladimirets
    A gunboat with monitors, we are not going to do?

    The death star will soon be built in the orbit of Mars.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 12 June 2016 15: 12
      +4
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      We will soon build a death star in the orbit of Mars.

      On the fig then to invest in "Leader"? request
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 12 June 2016 15: 15
        +10
        Quote: Vladimirets
        On the fig then to invest in "Leader"?

        Fuck knows, the Americans should be asked. They are aware that we will build there and what will not. And most importantly, why and why we will build.
    2. Sid.74
      12 June 2016 15: 19
      +14
      The toothy destroyer will turn out .... only I did not understand where he has mines, well, or at least torpedoes ... wink
      Or are we talking about depth charges that will be installed on the Mi-14? Release which are going to resume ..
      The Russian Helicopters holding is evaluating the possibility of resuming production of the Mi-14 anti-submarine helicopter, nicknamed the "submarine killer" for its capabilities, The Diplomat reported.

      Although the helicopters on the layout are more like the Ka-25.

      Well, the ending pleased ... wink
      these new destroyers will outnumber the largest surface warships in the US Navy. Moreover, the atomic engine will allow these large warships to perform operations around the world, without needing to refuel and enter the port. This will allow Moscow to obtain an effective force projection tool, which is close to the carrier-based strike force.

      The destroyer capable of destroying any US AUG ... winked reminded ... wink

      The tractor squatting rocket-machine-gun fire repelled the treacherous attack, shooting down 8 aircraft, destroying 30 tanks and, up to 1000, enemy units. Then turning on the main engines disappeared into near-Earth space. Tractor driver feels good. The flight goes well. Kolkhoz chairman Colonel-General D. F. Ustinov warns that if the incident repeats, then seeders, winders, threshers and a vertical take-off combine will enter the field ...
      laughing
      1. poquello
        poquello 12 June 2016 15: 53
        +5
        Quote: Sid.74
        The toothy destroyer will turn out .... only I did not understand where he has mines, well, or at least torpedoes ...

        and now we have all the weapons smart,))))) I see the prospect of bilateral opening of a vertical mine, rockets fly up, torpedoes and mines down
      2. evil partisan
        evil partisan 12 June 2016 18: 09
        +2
        Quote: Sid.74
        Although the helicopters on the layout are more like the Ka-25.

        No.
        The scheme is not coaxial, not Kamov ...
      3. yehat
        yehat 14 June 2016 18: 48
        0
        you still don’t understand - the mines will be on the faces of the crew. when the crew descends to the shore, the ship will be renamed the class of the destroyer fellow
    3. GSH-18
      GSH-18 13 June 2016 20: 35
      +1
      Quote: Alexander Romanov
      Quote: Vladimirets
      A gunboat with monitors, we are not going to do?

      The death star will soon be built in the orbit of Mars.

      The main thing is not to orbit Tatooine lol
  • Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 12 June 2016 15: 22
    +9
    Compared to Dave Majumdar-Nostradamus is a pure quack. And tomorrow, he will predict the construction of 20 Russian aircraft carriers? What does he smoke? what
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 12 June 2016 15: 26
      0
      Quote: Grandson of Veteran
      Compared to Dave Majumdar-Nostradamus is a pure quack. And tomorrow, he will predict the construction of 20 Russian aircraft carriers? What does he smoke? what

      The author of the "article" loves either the fantasy genre, or, more likely, works for the US military-industrial complex.
      1. Sid.74
        12 June 2016 15: 39
        +1
        Quote: razmik72
        or, even more likely, works for the MIC States.

        Yes, no, the publication is conservative, so to speak, and Dave leads a column on the military-industrial complex in this edition.

        In general, the publication is not bad ... there are published quite different points of view.

        The National Interest (TNI) is a bi-monthly international affairs journal published by the non-governmental political science organization Center for National Interest (better known as the Nixon Center, founded by Richard Nixon 20 in January 1994). The magazine is associated with a realistic foreign policy school. It was founded in 1985 year by Irving Kristol (Irving Kristol). The National Interest is not limited in content to a discussion of “foreign policy” in a narrow, technical sense, but it draws attention to general ideas and how cultural and social differences, technological innovations, history and religion affect the behavior of states.

        In 1989, TNI published the controversial article by Francis Fukuyama “The End of History?”. The National Interest attracted not only specialists such as Richard Pipes and Robert Conquest to cover the collapse of the Soviet Union, but also Nobel Prize winner, writer Saul Bellow. The magazine was one of the first to pay attention to issues such as geoeconomics, and analyzed such concepts as “superpower fatigue” and “evolutionary political realism”.

        The magazine seeks to maintain constant interaction with China and Russia. Publishes articles of long-standing conservative theorists - Robert Tucker and Graham Fuller. TNI to the position of former senator (1997 – 2009) and former US Secretary of Defense (from 27 February 2013 of the year to 17 February 2015 of the year) Chuck Hagel, to a lesser extent - Senator Richard Lugar (with the exception of his position on to Russia) and former Senator John Warner (1979 – 2009 years), they are all Republicans.
    2. Seaman77
      Seaman77 12 June 2016 15: 40
      +5
      Quote: Veteran's grandson
      Compared to Dave Majumdar-Nostradamus is a pure quack.



      Hindus, they are all like that. Believe me .... hi How to wrap something ... You stand and think - maybe I'm not from this Galaxy ??? belay
  • Finches
    Finches 12 June 2016 15: 22
    +6
    Amer forgot to add as usual "Russia will build 12 powerful warships equipped with 200 missiles each ..."in order to enslave the freedom-loving Baltic States ... in 1 hour! laughing
  • lelikas
    lelikas 12 June 2016 15: 25
    +3
    Quote: Vladimirets
    A gunboat with monitors, we are not going to do?

    It was he who ate dill - so, in modern history, there was already a "Destroyer-class aircraft carrier" laughing
    I hope that the series will begin as soon as possible, and not as usual.
    1. Boa kaa
      Boa kaa 12 June 2016 20: 56
      +5
      Quote: lelikas
      there was already a "Destroyer class aircraft carrier"

      Well, let's say, not an aircraft carrier, but a helicopter carrier, but called a "destroyer" by cunning Japans.
      Formally, being a destroyer, in fact, the Hyuuga is a light aircraft carrier or a universal landing ship. The ships of this class also include the Italian Giuseppe Garibaldi, the Spanish Prince of Asturias and the English Invincible. In fact, this is the first aircraft carrier built by Japan since World War II.
      1. lelikas
        lelikas 13 June 2016 14: 51
        +1
        Quote: Boa constrictor KAA
        Well, let's say, not an aircraft carrier, but a helicopter carrier, but called a "destroyer" by cunning Japans.

        With these, then everything is clear, I'm talking about those that proto-ukrains should have returned Crimea, but did not reach.
  • sgazeev
    sgazeev 12 June 2016 15: 26
    +2
    And so I think where did the sowing duck come from (The National Interest, USA). Can they catch fear?
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 12 June 2016 20: 26
      +1
      The National Interest, USA). Can they catch fear ?,
      no, they are catching up on themselves. Congress will read such articles and issue them in excess of budget.
  • Wiruz
    Wiruz 12 June 2016 15: 29
    +3
    While we are thinking about what "Leader" will be, Dave has already decided everything

    It's all about the competence of our military officials. First, they say that the choice was made in favor of a nuclear ship, then they declare that work is underway to design ships with both YSU and GTU, then they predict the bookmark next year, a year later the bookmark is transferred again for a year, then at the exhibition they present a model of an incomprehensible ship with a letter "E", then they say that he is not "E" for himself; ... and after all this, when it's time to start building, they say, they say, "The Ministry of Defense has not yet issued the terms of reference for the design of the ship."

    http://warfiles.ru/show-119656-tehnicheskogo-zadaniya-na-esminec-lider-net-sroki
    -postroyki-ne-opredeleny.html
    1. silver_roman
      silver_roman 13 June 2016 09: 27
      +2
      Because Rogozin is sitting and not busy, that already on Twitter to write.
      But do not feed Bondarev with bread, always weaving fairy tales.
      I am sure that before the age of 25, nothing will happen.
      Too cool project. If 22350 sawed for 10 years ...
      And the Krylov center is actually not a design bureau at all. They just created it, which still does not mean anything.
      You can call it the concept of the appearance of a promising destroyer and no more.
      And as we know, the concept is very different ALWAYS from the serial.
      1. yehat
        yehat 14 June 2016 18: 51
        0
        Quote: silver_roman

        And as we know, the concept is very different ALWAYS from the serial.

        I wonder what will produce a strong series of concepts? I guess nothing at all.
    2. Eugen
      Eugen 15 June 2016 14: 26
      0
      All is correct. While the enemy is studying the map, we are changing the landscape. smile
  • opus
    opus 12 June 2016 15: 32
    +11
    Quote: Vladimirets
    While we are thinking about what "Leader" will be, Dave has already decided everything

    You do not read before the lunch of the Author Dave Majumdar, after lunch, too, among other things

    What are there no others?

    27.10.2015
    The "military editor" of The National Interest, Dave Majumdar, has launched a "spiteful slander" against Russian pilots in Syria.
    Majumdar writes that the pace of the Russian air operation in Syria has decreased compared to the peak values ​​of recent times. Two weeks ago [i] “the Russians made 84 sorties per day, in recent days their number has decreased, as the US military predicted”:
    “Over the past 24 hours, the Russian air group has made 59 sorties, during which 94 targets were attacked by terrorists in the provinces of Hama, Idlib, Latakia, Damascus, Aleppo, Deir ez-Zor,” a October 1991 press release from the Russian Ministry of Defense said. “Over the past three days, Russian planes have completed 26 sorties and hit 164 terrorist targets.”
    Majumdar knows arithmetic quite well:
    [i] “This means that on average Russians make 55 sorties per day, using the Su-24, Su-25, Su-30СМ and Su-34 planes. Thus, the pace of the operation in the air decreased. However, the figures correspond to what the Pentagon representatives predicted. It is believed that at the base in Latakia, Russians have from 32 to 36 aircraft; means that if they have good logistics, they can fly from 48 to 96 flights per day. ”[/ i]
    Majumdar believes that [i] “in recent years, Russians have had no experience in using military aircraft abroad, and in addition, they lack a well-functioning logistics system that allows them to maintain pace for a long time. In fact, most of the people from the Pentagon that I managed to talk to suggested that the logistics would be the Achilles' heel for the Russians. ”[/ I]
    Is Schwul political either Pakistani or Indian ..
    differences m / y him

    and this

    Well, only in races and mov. And so all is one
    1. Amurets
      Amurets 12 June 2016 16: 35
      +8
      Quote: opus
      You do not read before the lunch of the Author Dave Majumdar, after lunch, too, among other things

      This already happened. When the Russian Empire laid 55 battleships: Forty Martyrs, Twelve Apostles and Three Hierarchs. There was a turmoil all over the world, and as a result, there were two battleships. The Forty Martyrs Project was not even considered, but the English journalists staged a great panic. Unfortunately, I did not find link to this note, but I read it TM. There was a section "TM Club"
      1. yehat
        yehat 14 June 2016 18: 55
        0
        the British media also panicked when laying German ships.
        it all came down to knocking out funds with the expectation that 1 Britons should fall on 3 ship of a potential enemy.
  • Dam
    Dam 12 June 2016 16: 15
    +3
    Again Marjkumar is weird. Why 200, not 2000 for example. It’s good to live with lop-eared amers, you’re carrying on heresy more ambitiously, and they pay you money for this.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 12 June 2016 16: 43
      +3
      Why 200, not 2000 for example

      Actually, it was not Western experts who first spoke about two hundred missiles, but our defense industry representatives, like even Rogozin. Well, if you count, then about the same number of missiles will be there, if you count along with the missiles ZRPK
  • svp67
    svp67 12 June 2016 18: 27
    +2
    Quote: Vladimirets
    "will be classified as a destroyer"

    A gunboat with monitors, we are not going to do?


    Yes, at least we will call large missile boats, right there the main thing is not in the name, but in the destination. And these ships have clear two lines — the line of attack, using existing, and most importantly, promising, high-speed missiles and the defensive line, as the first echelon of our missile defense and aerospace defense.
    But here you need to immediately imagine that these ships will not be very cheap and somehow the question is missed that they, in modern conditions, will not be able to operate in splendid isolation, it means that "ship strike groups" will be created, for its creation which ships will be used and how many are required for a "dozen" "Leaders"?
  • Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 12 June 2016 19: 15
    +2
    Russia will build 12 powerful warships equipped with 200 missiles each (The National Interest, USA)
    thanks to "The National Interest", they enlightened ... otherwise ours are silent. And so, at least we will know ... fellow
  • Brave Schweik
    Brave Schweik 13 June 2016 15: 17
    +1
    What the demon is not joking with, maybe they (svkso-impudent) will make us drawings too? But they did the WTO Rules, the Constitution and the charter of the Central Bank of the Russian Federation! AND MANDATORY bookmark-s ...
  • inkass_98
    inkass_98 13 June 2016 15: 52
    0
    Dave made the right decision. If such a series is built, then Kaptsov's favorite "Zamvolty" will be in a hefty ass. The problem is different: YSU will greatly limit the use of such ships. The Black Sea definitely falls out, unless the status of the straits and the Montreux convention change laughing .
    1. Nirvanko
      Nirvanko 13 June 2016 16: 57
      0
      Quote: inkass_98
      Dave made the right decision. If such a series is built, then Kaptsov's favorite "Zamvolty" will be in a hefty ass. The problem is different: YSU will greatly limit the use of such ships. The Black Sea definitely falls out, unless the status of the straits and the Montreux convention change laughing .

      They will be registered in the North and Pacific Fleets, ships of this class have nothing to do in a puddle called the Black Sea.
  • poquello
    poquello 12 June 2016 15: 04
    +2
    Posted by Dave Majumdar

    think now, before breakfast, he wrote or after, and of course it’s good if the truth
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 12 June 2016 15: 31
      +2
      Quote: poquello
      think now, before breakfast, he wrote or after, and of course it’s good if the truth

      Rather, before or after Kumar.
      1. Seaman77
        Seaman77 12 June 2016 18: 20
        +3
        laughing laughing
        Quote: lelikas
        Rather, before or after Kumar.


        Before Kumara, but after the Singh! But still dancing first! - jimi-jimi ..... laughing
  • akims
    akims 12 June 2016 15: 11
    +3
    Even if this is only a project that will not be implemented, some have already really gotten nervous ... and it's nice.
  • Berkut24
    Berkut24 12 June 2016 15: 12
    +4
    "... the latest destroyers will surpass the largest surface warships in the US Navy in strength."

    The largest ships of the U.S. Navy are aircraft carriers and landing ships. And how can they be compared if they have different tasks at all?
    1. Eugen
      Eugen 15 June 2016 14: 34
      0
      And so they understand:
      “Do you know the aircraft carrier?”
      - Yes.
      - So. Generally not like, but more powerful !!!
  • kolkulon
    kolkulon 12 June 2016 15: 13
    +2
    Only nuclear. We have a pipe with gas turbines.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 12 June 2016 15: 40
      +1
      on a steam engine with a threefold expansion - and no nuclear war is needed.
  • akims
    akims 12 June 2016 15: 14
    +3
    In general, the model is beautiful. It is possible to produce a serial radio-controlled one, you can earn money normally, especially in the West, in the same mattress on a wave of horror and excitement. No need to spend money on advertising - the media themselves will blow it. Businessmen have free advice.
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 12 June 2016 15: 54
      0
      Quote: akims
      In general, the model is beautiful.

      Only a little stupid. I do not understand the meanings of the "iconostasis" or the Christmas tree, why make four chimneys, separate the superstructure with boats, leave so much empty space in the stern, I have been wondering for a long time - can you try, do without a helicopter?
  • Monos
    Monos 12 June 2016 15: 17
    +6
    If it will have C-500, then it will fulfill the task of the first (distant) echelon of missile defense. All other weapons are for defense.
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 12 June 2016 15: 22
      -1
      The task of the first echelon of missile defense will be performed by A-235 (by the way, most likely, it will have both a stationary, mobile, and a marine version). C-500 is, despite the ability to intercept ICBM warheads, it will still be intended to destroy aerodynamic targets hi
      1. Monos
        Monos 12 June 2016 15: 42
        +6
        Quote: Wiruz
        The task of the first echelon of missile defense will be performed by A-235 (by the way, most likely, it will have both a stationary, mobile, and a marine version). C-500 is, despite the ability to intercept ICBM warheads, it will still be intended to destroy aerodynamic targets hi


        If it’s mobile, it’s with the 53Т6 missile, and it has a range of something on the order of 100km. Not much, however.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 12 June 2016 15: 46
          0
          Quote: Monos
          If it’s mobile, it’s with the 53Т6 missile, and it has a range of something on the order of 100km. Not much, however.

          The rocket may be new. And it is quite possible that the A-235 will include both short-range and long-range intercept missiles. And the S-500 launcher (I hope) will remain in the dimensions of the S-400 launcher hi
    2. lelikas
      lelikas 12 June 2016 15: 33
      +5
      Quote: Monos
      If it will have C-500, then it will fulfill the task of the first (distant) echelon of missile defense. All other weapons are for defense.

      Yeah - purely defensive “Zircon” will be delivered.
      1. Monos
        Monos 12 June 2016 15: 38
        +6
        Quote: lelikas
        Uh-huh - purely defensive "Zircon" will put


        smile Well, yes ... "Don't come near us, don't come near us, or we'll kill you!"
    3. Alexander Romanov
      Alexander Romanov 12 June 2016 15: 57
      +7
      Quote: Monos
      If it will have C-500,

      It will be equipped with 700, laser and plasma guns. It will be able to strike both from water and from an underwater position. Go out into outer space and shoot down NATO satellites with a battering ram.
      1. Monos
        Monos 12 June 2016 16: 07
        +13
        Quote: Alexander Romanov
        Quote: Monos
        If it will have C-500,

        It will be equipped with 700, laser and plasma guns. It will be able to strike both from water and from an underwater position. Go out into outer space and shoot down NATO satellites with a battering ram.
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 12 June 2016 16: 43
          +1
          The seal didn’t work out, I did it. Thank you, I laughed. .
          Quote: Alexander Romanov

          It will be equipped with 700, laser and plasma guns. It will be able to strike both from water and from an underwater position. Go out into outer space and shoot down NATO satellites with a battering ram.

          And what is so small? I would add 24 Yars and 44 Clubs. The paper will endure everything.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 12 June 2016 16: 48
            +2
            Quote: Amurets
            I would add 24 Yars and 44 Clubs. The paper will endure everything.

            I won’t be surprised if it will be so in the next American opus.
            1. lelikas
              lelikas 12 June 2016 18: 03
              +2
              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              I won’t be surprised if it will be so in the next American opus.

              It is strange that no one, for the whole day, mentioned Caliber-Nk! laughing
              1. Seaman77
                Seaman77 12 June 2016 18: 22
                +2
                Quote: lelikas
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                I won’t be surprised if it will be so in the next American opus.

                It is strange that no one, for the whole day, mentioned Caliber-Nk! laughing


                How not to mention? belay

                And I? laughing
  • ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 12 June 2016 15: 21
    +3
    Earlier, in distant childhood, we played "war"! Sometimes, they took "prisoners". They asked: "Are you for the Russians or for the Germans ?!" If a kid, wiping sweat and snot from a rosy-cheeked face, in spite of the "interrogators" answered: "For the Germans!" They dipped his head into a snowdrift and kicked him in the ass with felt boots, and immediately released him ... To continue the game. So I, now, would like to ask Dave Majumdar: "You, now, for whom ?!" recourse A fictional "hero" or a thoughtless "analyst" ?!
  • Abbra
    Abbra 12 June 2016 15: 22
    +2
    One can argue on this topic for a long time and hopelessly, but the era of aircraft carriers has come to an end ... Dear, large and ineffective, if you fight with us. A small "trawler" can shoot so hard that it doesn't seem like a little.
  • 33 Watcher
    33 Watcher 12 June 2016 15: 24
    +2
    Dave dreams with us, God forbid, we can master 12 pieces, God forbid. But if we start, then trample on. I hope...
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 12 June 2016 15: 32
      +3
      Alas, let's be realistic ... Well, they will build 5-6 ships at most, they will scratch their turnips, they say, "no, it turns out a little expensive." They will then develop a destroyer with a gas turbine, most likely on the basis of Project 22350
      1. Seaman77
        Seaman77 12 June 2016 16: 20
        +5
        Quote: Wiruz
        Well, build on the strength of 5-6 ships


        If there is at least 5-6, I will be the happiest person on earth ... fellow fellow fellow

        I sincerely hope that I am mistaken.
      2. Botanologist
        Botanologist 12 June 2016 16: 36
        +1
        Quote: Wiruz
        Alas, we will be realistic ...


        Yes, while corvettes are not mass-produced very quickly. Not all the jambs of the project have been removed yet - the gas ducts are burning, then there is nothing to direct the air defense systems .... If destroyers can build at least 8 units in a reasonable amount of time, this will be a victory. Although small, but a victory.
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      4. Corsair
        Corsair 14 June 2016 17: 45
        0
        Quote: Wiruz
        Alas, we’ll be realistic ... Well, they’ll build 5-6 ships on the strength,

        wassat after 5-6 pieces, it seems that it’s time it will be time for vertical take-off ships to do like the amers have in films, because when will it be in the 25-30-40th?
  • Funnels
    Funnels 12 June 2016 15: 24
    +6
    Dave Majumdar fellow Ah well done. Ourselves do not yet know what to build, when and how much, and Dave is already on course. In general, I would like him to be right.
  • Mourner
    Mourner 12 June 2016 15: 28
    +1
    Et cho? The Russian United Shipbuilding Corporation is expected to sign a contract with the Kremlin
    Et how? Corporation-foreign state? With the Kremlin! Excuse me, but we, do we live in the Kremlin?
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 12 June 2016 15: 37
      +2
      Quote: Mourner
      Sorry for the banter, but this is some kind of looking glass, or the author -> author -> author not dumb!

      - and you ... speculative wink

      Posted by Dave Majumdar, The National Interest, USA

      - judging by the characteristic surname, the author (author -> author -> author) is also an Indian, hike yes
      1. Mourner
        Mourner 12 June 2016 16: 22
        +1
        Yes, I, in principle, are not against the Hindus, but how is it the Russian ... will sign with the Kremlin ... Et how? Russia and the Kremlin? Where do I live? In the Kremlin or Russia?
        Yes, I do not live in the Kremlin, alas, (I would really like to see a powerful state if Russia went to meet the Kremlin.) Roughly say, Admins, filter the market on the site!
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 12 June 2016 16: 51
          +1
          Quote: Mourner
          I, in principle, do not mind the Hindus

          - and I’m against ... from experience with them - they are extremely dull and hot-assed

          Quote: Mourner
          how is it Russian ... will sign with the Kremlin ... Et how?

          - so that the article was reprinted from an American magazine, and the American Indian wrote the article (!) belay
          - they don’t care there, the Kremlin or the White House (Moscow), for them there are both Belarus and Kazakh - all Russians yes

          Quote: Mourner
          Admins, filter the bazaar on the site!

          - I repeat, the article is reprinted "as it was". And this is, in general, quite normal. request
          1. Mourner
            Mourner 12 June 2016 17: 54
            +2
            Thanks, enlightened the fool! I bow to you! drinks
  • Banishing liberoids
    Banishing liberoids 12 June 2016 15: 55
    -1
    And in the photo there is a model of an export destroyer, not a Leader!
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 12 June 2016 16: 04
      +1
      Yes, figs understand. Already, representatives of the USC say that initially export pr.23560 is the Leader. One gets the feeling that they want to confuse us all. And the absence of any news about the future of frigates pr.22350, gives reason to believe that we will not build more frigates.
      1. Botanologist
        Botanologist 12 June 2016 16: 40
        0
        Quote: Wiruz
        And the absence of any news about the future of frigates of the 22350 pr., Gives reason to believe that we will not build frigates anymore.


        We will - 6 units to 2025 years.
        1. Wiruz
          Wiruz 12 June 2016 16: 45
          0
          Oh how! And initially they planned eight ships by 2020. Even a contract for eight ships has been signed.
          1. Dart2027
            Dart2027 12 June 2016 17: 53
            0
            The problem with the engines. When production is established, then they will go.
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  • Alex_59
    Alex_59 12 June 2016 15: 55
    +3
    You laugh here, and in the USA ordinary people live and get an impression of us in such Muzdumar articles. Where the world is heading ...
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 12 June 2016 17: 13
      0
      We, while, do not laugh ... yet, irony! wink
  • CORNET
    CORNET 12 June 2016 16: 14
    0
    First we’ll kill AUGs all ... And then, maybe we can build it! hi What to scratch with tongues ... hi
  • NEXUS
    NEXUS 12 June 2016 16: 17
    +2
    Hmm, this expert with every article more and more surpasses itself. But for the western man in the street, this horror story will come down. From article to article, Russia appears to be a militarized country with a thirst to destroy everything and everyone. At the same time, infa is presented very competently, a bit of truth is abundantly diluted with lies .What about the Leader project and our official services were broadcasting ...
    As for the Leader project itself, it would first increase the fleet of RTOs and frigates (Admiral series for example) in all fleets. And there it will already be possible to think about building a Leader of 17,5 thousand tons.
  • Munchhausen
    Munchhausen 12 June 2016 16: 28
    +2
    Quote: oldseaman1957
    But is it not better to build not 12 large, but 200 small, but with Caliber.


    Of the 12 big ones, of course, you get 200 small ones, but without Caliber.
    You will also have to forget about seaworthiness, autonomy, the range of weapons, etc.
    1. Yarik
      Yarik 12 June 2016 18: 44
      +1
      Anti-sabotage boats wink Then the saboteurs in our waters are just a drop once and for all. laughingOr hydrographic. Everything is then measured. Or tugboats. We’ll zabuksirim everything and everyone. laughing
  • cap
    cap 12 June 2016 16: 32
    0
    Assuming that Russia could build Leader class ships in its current economic situation, these latest destroyers will surpass the largest surface warships in the US Navy. Moreover, the nuclear engine will allow these large warships to carry out operations around the world without the need for refueling and calling at the port. This will allow Moscow to get an effective force projection tool, similar in strength to an aircraft carrier strike group..

    That's okay. Slowly and in business. good
  • 31rus2
    31rus2 12 June 2016 16: 40
    +2
    Dear, I’m not surprised because our officials drive the blizzard even worse, the aircraft carrier will launch rockets into space from the side of it, now the Leader, we’re fooling our own heads, we need to order and make
  • ded100
    ded100 12 June 2016 16: 50
    0
    I believe Russia will build everything and there’s no one to cave in! soldier
  • ilya_oz
    ilya_oz 12 June 2016 17: 03
    0
    Maybe enough to refer to this newspaper? This is not an authoritative publication.
  • avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 12 June 2016 17: 15
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    Quote: Alexander Romanov
    We will soon build a death star in the orbit of Mars.

    On the fig then to invest in "Leader"? request

    Quiet! Secret: carry a nuclear case with batteries. Why are we building so much? So the suitcase is not alone ...
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  • avva2012
    avva2012 12 June 2016 17: 18
    +2
    Maybe I missed it, but Where will we build in such quantity? The USSR had shipyards in Nikolaev, plus the Warsaw Pact: Poland and East Germany. It seems to me that an American analyst is hiding something from us. Russia has shipyards on the far side of the moon wassat
    1. podgornovea
      podgornovea 12 June 2016 21: 03
      0
      Quote: avva2012
      Maybe I missed it, but Where will we build in such quantity? The USSR had shipyards in Nikolaev, plus the Warsaw Pact: Poland and East Germany. It seems to me that an American analyst is hiding something from us. Russia has shipyards on the far side of the moon wassat


      As if not only the Nikolaev shipyards were rich in the USSR!

      You surely missed something; read the Kuzin-Nikolsky Navy of the USSR:

      Sevmash (Severodvinsk) - 41,9 thousand workers
      Black Sea Shipyard (Nikolaev) - 23,8 thousand workers
      Krasnoe Sormovo (Gorky) - 25,6 thousand workers
      Plant them. Linen. Komsomol (Komsomolsk-on-Amur) - 16,6 thousand workers

      and so on ... soldier
      Something like this!

      Of the 24's largest shipyards, 18 was in the territory of the RSFSR tongue
  • RedBaron
    RedBaron 12 June 2016 17: 20
    0
    Personally, I think that if they found the Olympics, then they will scrape $ 8-10 lard dollars for ships :)
  • Anchonsha
    Anchonsha 12 June 2016 17: 29
    0
    Dave knows everything, it turns out. in a bastard ... And on the account of whether these ships will or will not be built, Shoigu thinks with the president - the US needs to stop something in their world aggression
  • Yarik
    Yarik 12 June 2016 18: 42
    +1
    Russia will build 12 powerful warships equipped with 200 missiles each

    And here, in the States, we don’t have a fleet, but tears. Let me cut some denyuzhkov, build a real fleet in response to Russian creeps, huh?
  • tellerbop
    tellerbop 12 June 2016 19: 07
    +1
    Quote: Seaman77
    Give each fisherman a Caliber !!! Us then XP..n will defeat!

    And now it means not hr .. n? Yes, even now we have fishermen wherever :)
    1. Seaman77
      Seaman77 12 June 2016 19: 33
      +2
      Quote: tellerbop
      Quote: Seaman77
      Give each fisherman a Caliber !!! Us then XP..n will defeat!

      And now it means not hr .. n? Yes, even now we have fishermen wherever :)


      Well, if only lovers ...

      But there are no "professionals" left ...
  • Valevampo
    Valevampo 12 June 2016 19: 15
    0
    a lot of letters, I especially liked "from 8 to 18 thousand tons" and I would like such ships
  • Ilotan
    Ilotan 12 June 2016 19: 53
    0
    But is this destroyer a cruiser?
  • Stoler
    Stoler 12 June 2016 20: 01
    0
    Calculating NATO tantrums.
  • bad
    bad 12 June 2016 20: 22
    0
    Russia will build 12 powerful warships equipped with 200 missiles each (The National Interest, USA)
    ..how do you know? Or give us money for the construction of such ships? Or are there spies in the General Staff? bully
  • Lex.
    Lex. 12 June 2016 20: 22
    +1
    Everything can be built with language, Putin’s oligarchic government can only steal
  • lance
    lance 12 June 2016 20: 31
    +1
    I don’t give a damn about everything. But why our dwarfs are equipped with diesel engines. We have excellent atomic engines, and even for boats, and are they OUR?
  • podgornovea
    podgornovea 12 June 2016 20: 41
    0
    This is just a masterpiece !!!

    "combining the characteristics of destroyers and destroyers"

    It is a pity that he did not specify the characteristics of destroyers and destroyers (and their combination especially)! recourse laughing
  • voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 12 June 2016 20: 57
    0
    From Wiki:

    For the first time, the existence of plans for the development of a promising destroyer for the Russian Navy was reported by ITAR-TASS agency on June 19, 2009, citing a "source close to the department of the military department responsible for the supply of ships, naval armaments and military equipment" [1] .

    On March 11, 2010, the Interfax agency [2], followed by a number of other Russian media [3] [4] [5] disseminated information about the start of development of a new generation destroyer for the Russian Navy [2].

    On June 29, 2011, OJSC United Shipbuilding Corporation announced that it was designing a destroyer class ocean-going ship with a nuclear power plant. [6]
    1. yehat
      yehat 14 June 2016 19: 01
      0
      at such a pace by 2015 they will develop, and by 2080 they will build
      for comparison, in the Russian Empire, a competition of battleship projects was held in less than a year from scratch
      comparable tasks in complexity.
  • ziama
    ziama 12 June 2016 21: 06
    +4
    Amerikosy flatten us, 12 pieces with our pace we will build until 2060.
    1. yehat
      yehat 14 June 2016 19: 02
      +1
      and then at 96% readiness they will say - there is no money for scrap
  • Sultan Babai
    Sultan Babai 12 June 2016 21: 37
    0
    A lot of rockets is great, but I wonder where such a giant (17 thousand tons) will be built? It seems to me either at the Baltic Shipbuilding Project 1144 was built there, but there are many civilian ships and atomic icebreakers built there, so that only the Severnaya Verf remains, but the docks are too small there, it means the Severnaya Verf will be refitted.
    1. yehat
      yehat 14 June 2016 19: 05
      0
      Quote: Sultan Babai
      A lot of rockets is great, but I wonder where such a giant (17 thousand tons) will be built?

      17 thousand tons - the bulk?
      Grena 5000t was built at the Baltic plant.
  • Skifotavr
    Skifotavr 12 June 2016 21: 46
    +1
    The Russian United Shipbuilding Corporation is expected to sign with the Kremlin
    Just like from the news of Urkaina laughing
  • proud
    proud 12 June 2016 21: 59
    0
    If you want to make God laugh, tell him what you will do tomorrow! First, build at least one, and then write about the rest!
  • Old warrior
    Old warrior 12 June 2016 22: 01
    0
    Seven feet under the keel!
  • dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 12 June 2016 23: 23
    0
    As practice shows, including Germany, if you don’t have enough funds for a full-fledged fleet, rivet the snows. This was also done by Soyuz-Batyushka all his bright memory, there is nothing to trick, you need to build submarines
    1. Dart2027
      Dart2027 12 June 2016 23: 51
      +1
      Quote: dmitriyruss
      As practice shows, including Germany, if there is not enough money for a full-fledged fleet

      Only this did not help them.
      Quote: dmitriyruss
      This was also done by Soyuz-Batyushka

      Engaged, but not only that.
  • hunt1
    hunt1 12 June 2016 23: 38
    0
    12 units are just 4 for one Orlan. It’s scary to imagine Orlan and on the sides for 2 Leaders, this is strength!
  • Zomanus
    Zomanus 13 June 2016 05: 24
    +1
    . Someone threw a temptation, and then you grind on these wet dreams.)))
    Yes, we at least update the lower and middle link of the ships.
    And then the same Pacific Fleet soon parades only in tows to carry.
    1. Bayonet
      Bayonet 13 June 2016 06: 11
      0
      Quote: Zomanus
      . Someone threw a temptation, and then you grind on these wet dreams.)

      As they say - "The chicken is still in the nest - the testicle is in ...." but how much joy, how much joy! fellow
  • Shurale
    Shurale 13 June 2016 07: 03
    0
    combining the characteristics of destroyers and destroyers

    Who is the answer? There is no tautology? the couple kind of warps me ....
  • aleks700
    aleks700 13 June 2016 07: 22
    +1
    What destroyer? In size and armament, as well as cruising range, this is a cruiser. Or a heavy cruiser. Not even a leader fig.
  • Aristarch
    Aristarch 13 June 2016 08: 22
    0
    To unambiguously put a nuclear power plant, then together with the "Orlans" after modernization, the entire water element will be under complete control.
  • spravochnik
    spravochnik 13 June 2016 08: 39
    0
    I don’t know, maybe this is an inaccuracy of the translation, but the illiteracy of this, with the permission of the expert, simply goes through the roof.
  • Forever so
    Forever so 13 June 2016 16: 30
    0
    The time of aircraft carriers is passing, the time of Arsenal ships comes.
  • Slippery
    Slippery 13 June 2016 22: 24
    0
    Quote: ALABAY45
    Earlier, in distant childhood, we played "war"! Sometimes, they took "prisoners". They asked: "Are you for the Russians or for the Germans ?!" If a kid, wiping sweat and snot from a rosy-cheeked face, in spite of the "interrogators" answered: "For the Germans!" They dipped his head into a snowdrift and kicked him in the ass with felt boots, and immediately released him ... To continue the game. So I, now, would like to ask Dave Majumdar: "You, now, for whom ?!" A fictional "hero" or a thoughtless "analyst" ?!

    There are two drunken amballas arguing that in the sky the moon or the sun, catching a nerd passing by, hear that in the sky? he thinks I’ll say the sun from one I’m catching lyuli, I’ll say the moon from another and tell them plaintively guys I’m not local ... so here if you ask him who are you a hero? or mindless analyst? he will answer I am not local.