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Turkey. Whip, gingerbread and broken trough. Evil Ivan №29 with Ivan Victory

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Hello to all ours and not to ours! I am Ivan Victory and I am angry again today.


Summer. Beach. Sea and sand. Beauty. Until 2015, it was the Turkish coast that was the most popular holiday destination for Russian citizens. Every year, almost 4 million Russian only from Russia, came to Turkey to spend their money. A lot of money.
The average Russian spent 20% more than tourists from other countries, so he brought much more income to the Turkish budget. The Turkish travel industry and related industries have grown rapidly and developed. And his future seemed so bright, full and cloudless.

And in November, 2015, Turkey knocks down a Russian plane, while our pilot is killed.
Joyful cries svidomitov, local liberals and vsepropalschikov at that moment could be heard even on the moon. Turkey Strong! Russia wiped out!
Divan experts from both sides rushed to paint scenarios of wars between Russia and Turkey. In a random order, connecting them to the United States, then NATO, then China, then even aliens.

Most of the scenarios from Russophobes naturally ended in the defeat of Russia, after the independent and independent Ukraine entered the war on the side of Turkey. Which stopped the war in a three-day period with the capture of Moscow and a parade of combat shushpantserov on Red Square, hastily renamed Zhovto-Blakitnuyu.

On our side, the couch troops, all in the same three-day period, seized the straits and nailed another shield to the gates of Istanbul-Constantinople. With obligatory passing nuclear bombings of Poland and Baltic.

But the reality turned out to be more difficult and to uncover the Iskanders and to release the strategists, Russia loaded with nuclear missiles did not. With Turkey, the same began, terrible and terrible, according to Petro Poroshenko, a hybrdnaya war. Diplomatic assaults, discrediting the Turkish authorities, tough economic sanctions. And, possibly, covert operations in Syria, during which they destroy pro-Turkish militants and Turkish instructors. And, even perhaps, ours support, supply and train Kurdish paramilitary units.
In general, the standard set is not direct hostilities. Yes, Russia is learning fast.

Let's wind off history back a bit. After the collapse of the Soviet Union, Russia itself was a couple of steps from death. And this period of our weakness was fully used by our geopolitical opponents. So, Turkey was such an opponent.
She began to conduct intensive anti-Russian and anti-Russian activities as soon as she felt our weakness. Support for Wahhabis and Russophobes in Central Asia, assistance to terrorists and radical Islamists in Chechnya, sponsorship of any form of separatism directed against Russia. That is, behaved like an old and familiar enemy. And from the point of view of geopolitics - this is quite normal behavior.

But the period of weakness in our country is over. Enemies began again to give hands and even Mordasov. But here Turkey, for all the nastiness that it suited us, did not punish. She was given another chance. Turkey received trade preferences, access to our market, Russian tourists and cooperation in the energy sector.
I think it was a deliberate and purposeful policy. Attempt to remake Turkey from the enemy into a reliable and predictable trading partner.
And the Turkish economy, thanks in large part to Russia, rushed up and became one of the fastest growing in the world. The standard of living grew. GDP took all new records. And Russia gave Turkey all the new and new buns and nishtyak. We allowed the Turks to take a serious part of their construction market, and then we agreed to build a nuclear power plant in Turkey with Russian money, on credit. Introduced visa-free regime between countries. And they made an absolutely fabulous proposal about turning Turkey into a transit gas hub through which gas will flow to Europe. That would allow Turkey to seriously influence the economy and policy of the European Union. And with all this it is stable to earn very big money from transit.

It is important to understand that Russia has always sincere and honest intentions.
We need peace on our borders and stable neighbors. Therefore, the strategy of peaceful and mutually beneficial cooperation with Russia's geographical neighbors is a priority. The only condition is that third countries should not interfere in these relations and climb. Russia perceived Turkey as an independent geopolitical player who can make informed decisions. In contrast to the same Baltic or Eastern European countries.

But something did not grow together. Whether Turkey accepted gifts and benevolence from Russia for its weakness, or third-party players forced the Turkish authorities to make wrong decisions. But in fact, after the catastrophe with our plane, relations from the neighborly neighborhood turned into hostile status. Once again, not the fault of Russia.

The compassionate and conscientious citizens of Russia, well, to some extent without them, they demand to repent and beg forgiveness from the non-Turks. Until it became even worse and we did not lose such a reliable and loyal friend forever. But earlier I had already explained that Turkey is not our friend and never was ...

They tried to scare us that the Russians would no longer have fresh fruits and vegetables from Turkey! Are you serious? Dozens of countries lined up in line, from Iran to Venezuela, hoping to enter our grocery market. In addition, it is in Russia for a year, agriculture has become the fastest growing and developing industry. So, again, not scary.

Russia is self-sufficient. And temporary difficulties will soon be resolved. And no matter how cynical it sounds, but the break in economic relations with Turkey is even beneficial for Russia. This allows you to develop domestic production and provide jobs for its citizens. Yes, and Russian resorts have received a serious impetus for development.

I understand that some citizens have a drunken longing for Turkish hotels, where everything is included. The argument is serious. But here state interests are higher than personal, selfish ones. So reconcile and master the resorts of Russia and friendly countries.

But Turkey, unlike Russia, has serious systemic problems in the economy. Turkey has lost a significant part of the income from tourism. In addition to the drop in tourist arrivals from Russia, the flow of tourists from Europe also decreased. And the factors that scare tourists a lot. Instability, terrorist attacks, civil war with the Kurds, the forcing of tension on the border with Syria.
Turkish construction companies began to oust the Russian market. The import of agricultural products from Turkey was blocked. And Turkey is unlikely to become a gas hub. And now it has come to the Turkish authorities that Russia is not joking, that everything is serious. And they delayed a dull song, about the fact that you need to live together, you need to restore relationships, like let's forget everything and start from scratch.

We will not forget anything. Turkey has already had a chance, and she stupidly leaked it. More chances will not be. And cooperation will never be restored to its former level. Turkey committed a betrayal. And the Russians have such a thing on their minds. We consider treason as the most disgusting act, a sin. And therefore, in order to earn the forgiveness of the Turks will have a very long and carefully to try. And it will take many years. So Turkey has a hard and long crisis ahead.

You know, relations with Turkey resemble Russian-Ukrainian relations. Exactly the same. Even there is a suspicion that the ancient ukry could not dig the Black Sea alone ... on the other side the ancient Turks dug it.
Let me remind you that Ukraine was also offered a generous bag of nishtyakov from Russia, preferences, market, loans, fabulous offers of cooperation. And in response, wagging his ass, inadequacy, idiocy, and incompetence. Well, countless attempts to spoil Russia, even to the detriment of itself. In the case of Ukraine, it all ended in its collapse and degradation. So with the Turks, the situation is rapidly repeating.

I do not say that Turkey is not able to solve these problems that have piled on it or that it will suddenly collapse. Not. Unlike Ukraine, the Turks know how to work, know how to trade, they have a strong state power, a loyal army and police. So, they will not be gone. But they will lose time to mitigate the consequences of the gap with Russia. And time is perhaps the most valuable resource in geopolitics, in the period of the Dark Times of the New Wonderful World.

Well, what is the conclusion? Russia cooperates with its neighbors not because of weakness, but because of favor. Russia is self-sufficient and can live autonomously. But her neighbors can not. For Russia, peace, stability and order at its borders is important. That is why she sincerely helps her neighbors.

Dear neighbors, learn to accept with gratitude what Russia gives you. No other country in the world is so interested in your prosperity and stability as Russia and never and in no way try to blackmail the Russians by deciding that they have fallen into economic or political dependence for you .... It's exactly the opposite.

And finally, a simple rule for our neighbors.
Want to be rich and prosperous? Make friends with Russia, do not be fooled. Follow your commitments and comply with the agreements signed with her. That's so simple! Well, if your local government incites Russophobia, this will eventually lead to a fall in your standard of living. So think about whether you need such power? A power that consciously dooms its citizens to poverty and misery.

Everything! Believe in your people and your country! See you soon!

Russian-Turkish relations. What was and what will be. About "friendship" and "betrayal" and their price in geopolitics.
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  1. Teberii
    Teberii 11 June 2016 15: 57
    -4
    Peaceful coexistence is real, but only without leaps and imperial ways.
    1. cniza
      cniza 11 June 2016 16: 57
      +11
      Quote: Teberii
      Peaceful coexistence is real, but only without leaps and imperial ways.


      This is what prevents them, they cannot win envy, everything seems to them that Russia owes them more than it gives.
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 13 June 2016 08: 56
      -3
      Two empires cannot coexist peacefully.
  2. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 11 June 2016 16: 01
    +26
    "... Unlike Ukraine, the Turks know how to work, they know how to trade, they have a strong state power, a loyal army and police ..."
    That's it, Ivan! You are on the black-and-black list of all the power structures of Ukraine, including the Ukrainian consulate on the moon and the consulate general on Mars! Brace yourself, old man!
    1. lelikas
      lelikas 11 June 2016 17: 38
      +16
      Quote: ALABAY45
      including the Ukrainian consulate on the moon and the consulate general on Mars! Brace yourself, old man!

      They already have something to cleanse themselves from - a monument to "polite people" was opened in a solemn atmosphere in the center of Simferopol.
      1. Alexander Romanov
        Alexander Romanov 11 June 2016 17: 59
        -3
        Quote: lelikas

        They already have something to cleanse themselves from - a monument to "polite people" was opened in a solemn atmosphere in the center of Simferopol.

        Is this an accident not an American helmet on it?
        1. lelikas
          lelikas 11 June 2016 18: 33
          +4
          The eyes hurt too, but ours already do this - Thor, not the one that the air defense system, but from JSC NPP KlASS.
          1. Alexander Romanov
            Alexander Romanov 11 June 2016 19: 17
            +2
            Quote: lelikas
            but ours already do this - Thor, not the one that the air defense system, but from JSC NPP KlASS.

            Yes found
            1. Andrey Yuryevich
              Andrey Yuryevich 11 June 2016 20: 25
              +2
              Quote: lelikas
              The eyes hurt too, but ours already do this - Thor, not the one that the air defense system, but from JSC NPP KlASS.

              Quote: Alexander Romanov
              Yes found

              how many times they are already digging into the "helmets" ... still not what you find in the "network" ... it is the author's "fiction".
              1. Alexander Romanov
                Alexander Romanov 11 June 2016 20: 52
                0
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                "... this is the author's" fiction ".

                And why do we need fiction?
              2. lelikas
                lelikas 12 June 2016 12: 52
                0
                Quote: Andrey Yurievich
                how many times they are already digging into the "helmets" ... still not what you find in the "network" ... it is the author's "fiction".

                like greeting cards, on May 9, with German tanks and soldiers - just creative?
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 11 June 2016 18: 17
      +1
      A huge problem .. Ivan on the drum ..
      Quote: ALABAY45
      "... Unlike Ukraine, the Turks know how to work, they know how to trade, they have a strong state power, a loyal army and police ..."
      That's it, Ivan! You are on the black-and-black list of all the power structures of Ukraine, including the Ukrainian consulate on the moon and the consulate general on Mars! Brace yourself, old man!
  3. Reserve officer
    Reserve officer 11 June 2016 16: 02
    +12
    "Turkey has committed a betrayal. And the Russians have a fad on such things. We consider betrayal, the most vile act, a sin."

    But our government thinks so? There are still battles there - is it profitable or not profitable to refuse cooperation with Turkey. This composition of the so-called "economic bloc" views the country's interests in a very peculiar way.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 11 June 2016 16: 22
      +10
      Quote: Reserve officer
      profitable or not profitable to refuse to cooperate with Turkey

      - completely refuse - definitely disadvantageous
      - what they could refuse without loss (or almost without loss) for themselves - they refused, in the article it is mentioned
      - refuse completely = "in spite of my mother's frostbite ears" - this is for the skipping, they tried, somehow it did not work

      That's something like yes
      1. Proxima
        Proxima 11 June 2016 16: 40
        +4
        Quote: Cat Man Null
        Quote: Reserve officer
        profitable or not profitable to refuse to cooperate with Turkey

        - completely refuse - definitely disadvantageous

        How can we judge this in terms of "profitable - not profitable"? Is it profitable for Russia to maintain its prestige? After all, our downed plane hit hard on the prestige of our country. Let me remind you that our attack aircraft was shot down by a NATO plane and fell into Syria, that is, there is a situation where Russia could respond even more harshly.
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 11 June 2016 16: 48
          +1
          Quote: Proxima
          How can we judge this in terms of "profitable - not profitable"?

          - what categories do you (and I) judge - this world, in general, spit
          - people making real decisions (laugh, the same government of the Russian Federation, including) are obliged to calculate the consequences of their actions
          - including, laugh, and in the context of "profitable-unprofitable"

          Quote: Proxima
          After all, our downed plane hit hard on the prestige of our country

          - yah?? belay
          - Do not drive the wave and do not foam. The country's prestige is not dropped by a plane shot down in a war No.

          Quote: Proxima
          there is a situation where Russia could respond even harder

          - pulled to fight? Go face someone thread on the street fill .. strategist from the couch, damn it negative
          1. Proxima
            Proxima 11 June 2016 17: 14
            +3
            Quote: Cat Man Null


            Quote: Proxima
            After all, our downed plane hit hard on the prestige of our country

            - yah?? belay
            - Do not drive the wave and do not foam. The country's prestige is not dropped by a plane shot down in a war No.


            A NATO plane shot down a Russian plane that fell into Syria, and the pilot was brutally killed by pro-Turkish militants. No apologies came from Ankara. Even worse, the Turks made no attempt to mitigate the conflict. Then what do you think is "dropping the prestige of the camp"?
            1. Cat man null
              Cat man null 11 June 2016 17: 49
              +10
              Quote: Proxima
              A NATO plane shot down a Russian plane that crashed into Syria, moreover, the pilot was brutally killed by pro-Turkish militants

              - this is war. Plus the carelessness of the command, which the Su-24 released unaccompanied by fighters. "We hoped the Turks would not be touched." And the Turks touched ...

              Quote: Proxima
              There were no apologies from Ankara. Worse, the Turks made no attempt to mitigate the conflict.

              - this is what they did in vain ...

              Quote: Proxima
              Then what do you think is "dropping the prestige of the camp"?

              examples:

              - the French thwarted (with the filing of striped-eared "partners") the Mistral deal, thereby lowering the country's prestige. Having shown explicitly that they are under external control, and the price of their promises is, in the limit, zero
              - The Turks (specifically Erdogan), knocking down the SU-24, immediately ran to "complain to mom" (NATO), after which they refused to apologize and so on and so forth. Thus, he lowered the prestige of the country (!!!), showing himself (and the country ruled by him), a complete scumbag

              Are you enough?

              The loss of the aircraft (I repeat, in the conditions of warfare) does not affect the prestige of the country (RF). From the word "no way" yes
              1. Todessichel
                Todessichel 11 June 2016 19: 56
                -6
                The loss of the aircraft as such may not affect, although I am confused.
                But the lack of an adequate answer is just like that.
            2. KaPToC
              KaPToC 13 June 2016 09: 12
              0
              A military plane died while performing a combat mission, there is no damage to honor here.
          2. Proxima
            Proxima 11 June 2016 17: 31
            0
            Quote: Cat Man Null

            - pulled to fight? Go face someone thread on the street fill .. strategist from the couch, damn it negative

            It’s you who are climbing into the wrong steppe. Tough measures mean not necessarily killing anyone.
          3. KaPToC
            KaPToC 13 June 2016 08: 59
            0
            That's right, that sofa strategist, and the degree of sofa just rolls over.
      2. Andrey Sukharev
        Andrey Sukharev 11 June 2016 16: 42
        -3
        Strange ... By your logic, did Stalin need to drive wood and fuel to Germany after June 22, too? Well it’s profitable, the currency ...
        What can be the cooperation with the enemy?
        1. Cat man null
          Cat man null 11 June 2016 17: 13
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Sukharev
          According to your logic

          - this is not my logic, you yourself just came up with it, and now you are trying to stick to me for some reason

          Quote: Andrey Sukharev
          What can be the cooperation with the enemy?

          - mdy ... fool
    2. NDR-791
      NDR-791 11 June 2016 17: 30
      -3
      Turkey itself (the people) has what to do with it ?. There is the Turkish government that has ceased to see the edge, and that's it, Erdogan is the same Saakashvili - a precedent from the "same opera". And he will leave now much earlier than he could. Potentially, if Savchenko also goes to the presidency, this will be the number laughing President of Ukraine, pardoned by the Russian President, nonsense! Although she will not live to see not only the presidency, but also the next glad. And finally, something we are all kind of evil here today, we’re cursing. mdya ...
      1. Air defense SSH
        Air defense SSH 12 June 2016 01: 05
        +1
        Each nation has that power which it deserves ... If there is no hard line in relation to a country that allows itself rudeness, then neither Saakashville, nor Erdogan, etc., etc. will not leave themselves ...
    3. Todessichel
      Todessichel 11 June 2016 17: 48
      -6
      Well, yes.
      If the Russians have such a fad, then where is he.
      Where??? Wait a minute .... I can’t find it at all.
      Maybe it's dry?
      If he had been with the Russians, who forgive everything for ever, then half of the former kremtelezhiteli would not dangle very much on lampposts.
      Especially ientot, Rothaariger.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 11 June 2016 17: 55
        +5
        Quote: Todessichel
        Well yes...

        - oh fox ... from Khokhlostan
        - of short-lived, but strongly odorous
        - Or maybe it's a skunk, not a fox?

        laughing
        1. Todessichel
          Todessichel 11 June 2016 18: 52
          -3
          Essentially, please.
          And then only insults.
          Or am I wrong in something?
          1. Cat man null
            Cat man null 11 June 2016 19: 05
            +4
            Quote: Todessichel
            Essentially, please.
            And then only insults.
            Or am I wrong in something?

            Write what you said

            Quote: Todessichel
            Well, yes.
            If the Russians have such a fad, then where is he.
            Where??? Wait a minute .... I can’t find it at all.
            Maybe it's dry?
            If he had been with the Russians, who forgive everything for ever, then half of the former kremtelezhiteli would not dangle very much on lampposts.
            Especially ientot, Rothaariger.

            - understandable, human language.

            Then, perhaps, it will be "essentially".

            In general, I try not to feed the trolls. For entertainment only if laughing
            1. Todessichel
              Todessichel 11 June 2016 19: 43
              -5
              Yyy.
              Sly my friend.
              Say one thing and do the other.
              I’m not a troll, I’ll catch myself fish without your slops.
              So leave that grub in your bowl
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  4. avva2012
    avva2012 11 June 2016 16: 11
    +4
    Turkey, of course, does not look like Germany, or even less so the Baltic states. National flavor, you know. laughing But, so, a "normal" country under external control. There are simply quiet madmen, and there are violent ones.
  5. avvg
    avvg 11 June 2016 16: 16
    +4
    Apparently, the betrayal of our individual neighbors is in their blood.
    1. Todessichel
      Todessichel 11 June 2016 17: 43
      -4
      Our individual personalities, whom it seems to have been divorced quite a few, have no less betrayals in their blood ...
      They even betray partner countries, and our government betrays its own people with a mocking zeal worthy of better application.
  6. sergey2017
    sergey2017 11 June 2016 16: 20
    +4
    Quote: ALABAY45
    "... Unlike Ukraine, the Turks know how to work, they know how to trade, they have a strong state power, a loyal army and police ..."
    That's it, Ivan! You are on the black-and-black list of all the power structures of Ukraine, including the Ukrainian consulate on the moon and the consulate general on Mars! Brace yourself, old man!

    And not only! The article is written by the author with a mockery and an ironic smirk!
  7. razmik72
    razmik72 11 June 2016 16: 44
    -12%
    I don't even know how to react to such "victorious" articles about the Turkish economy, which is about to make ends meet. I accidentally punched a question on my computer, although I already knew:
    "How much does a teacher get in a school in Turkey?"
    So, the teacher receives from 1800 to 3500 Turkish lira, and one lira is 0,34 US dollars. The question is asked by the author of the article:
    "How much does a Russian teacher get?"
    Turkey, with all its drawbacks, invests in the future and the gloating of Ivan the Victory is not very appropriate.
    1. Mountain shooter
      Mountain shooter 11 June 2016 17: 17
      +9
      A teacher in Turkey is a very bread and honorable job, just like a doctor. But they are much less than ours, per capita. And their school is paid, in addition to the primary, which was relatively recently shortened, in my opinion, from six to four classes.
      And comparing salaries in Russia and Turkey, converting them into dollars is not entirely fair. Want Big Mac odds? Then the comparison will disappoint you. Ours get no less. Been in Turkey, not as a tourist. There are workers in the firm who receive $ 500, but these are the most qualified ones. And the majority is 300.
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 11 June 2016 18: 10
        -2
        Quote: Mountain Shooter
        A teacher in Turkey is a very bread and honorable job, just like a doctor. But they are much less than ours, per capita. And their school is paid, in addition to the primary, which was relatively recently shortened, in my opinion, from six to four classes.
        And comparing salaries in Russia and Turkey, converting them into dollars is not entirely fair. Want Big Mac odds? Then the comparison will disappoint you. Ours get no less. Been in Turkey, not as a tourist. There are workers in the firm who receive $ 500, but these are the most qualified ones. And the majority is 300.

        I just didn’t write in my previous comment that elementary school teachers get that kind of money smile .Bm value factor
        I didn’t try to count Big Mac, but you can imagine how much fruit and vegetable production will cost in Turkey itself if it managed to sell it to Russia and in the price segment it competed with manufacturers from other countries and with Russian products. industries are the cheapest in the world, construction is highly developed.
        1. KaPToC
          KaPToC 13 June 2016 09: 28
          0
          And why immediately fruit and vegetable? Let's see how much gas costs, the difference is THREE TIMES.
    2. NEXUS
      NEXUS 11 June 2016 17: 17
      +11
      Quote: razmik72
      I do not even know how to react to such "victorious" articles about the Turkish economy, which is about to make ends

      I did not see anything "victorious". Turkey really suffers losses in the tour business, while Erdogan missed out ... he had a good opportunity to become a "gas trunk" in order to dictate his conditions to Europe in the future. Turkish agriculture was tailored for the Russian market and much more ...
      At the same time, I agree with the author that the main thing in geopolitics is the time that Turkey stole very mediocre from her.
      1. razmik72
        razmik72 11 June 2016 18: 14
        -5
        Quote: NEXUS
        Quote: razmik72
        I do not even know how to react to such "victorious" articles about the Turkish economy, which is about to make ends

        I did not see anything "victorious". Turkey really suffers losses in the tour business, while Erdogan missed out ... he had a good opportunity to become a "gas trunk" in order to dictate his conditions to Europe in the future. Turkish agriculture was tailored for the Russian market and much more ...
        At the same time, I agree with the author that the main thing in geopolitics is the time that Turkey stole very mediocre from her.

        Turkey did not want Russia to set the rules of the game in its "backyard"; it preferred to act as an independent player.
        1. NEXUS
          NEXUS 11 June 2016 18: 18
          +7
          Quote: razmik72
          Turkey did not want Russia to set the rules of the game in its "backyard"; it preferred to act as an independent player.

          But now from the "backyard" of Turkey have made a passage yard mattresses and co.
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 11 June 2016 18: 30
            -6
            Quote: NEXUS
            Quote: razmik72
            Turkey did not want Russia to set the rules of the game in its "backyard"; it preferred to act as an independent player.

            But now from the "backyard" of Turkey have made a passage yard mattresses and co.

            Mattresses and the Company, in principle, do not interfere with Turkey, they practically dance to the Turkish tune, and Russia has pursued and is pursuing a policy preventing Turkey from realizing its strategic plans in the region.
            1. Alexander Romanov
              Alexander Romanov 11 June 2016 18: 33
              +6
              Quote: razmik72
              y, and Russia has pursued and is pursuing a policy preventing Turkey from realizing its strategic plans in the region.

              These are the problems of Turkey!
              1. razmik72
                razmik72 11 June 2016 19: 20
                -4
                Quote: Alexander Romanov
                Quote: razmik72
                y, and Russia has pursued and is pursuing a policy preventing Turkey from realizing its strategic plans in the region.

                These are the problems of Turkey!

                For some time now, this has become a problem for Russia. I expect many drawbacks, but I can't help but write - Assad the younger ruled the country so "brilliantly" that Syria turned from a flourishing country in the Middle East, when you watch reports from there, to the second Stalingrad of 1942. The weakening of Syria as a state led to the fact that Russia was forced to intervene in the war.
                1. avva2012
                  avva2012 11 June 2016 19: 35
                  +9
                  Cons, if they put it, it is deserved. The United States, created ISIS, and even if this fact is denied, then the "Arab spring", as if they were. And what right do they have? The right of the strong? Yes, we are not weak either.
                  Assad, fighting for the independence of his country. We also believe that we have the right. Allies, are we with him? I think so.
                  The attitude of Russia to other countries, namely partnerships. The USA has sixes.
                2. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 11 June 2016 19: 56
                  +6
                  Quote: razmik72
                  For some time now, this has become a problem for Russia.

                  Turkey’s problems are that for each confrontation with Russia, it ended with a shit.
                  The smart learns from the mistakes of history, the ram does not change.
                  Quote: razmik72
                  Assad Jr. ruled the country so "brilliantly" that Syria turned from a flourishing country in the Middle East, when you watch reports from there, to the second Stalingrad of 1942

                  If there was no interference from outside, there would be nothing.
                  Libya is an example, in terms of living standards, many European countries were far from Libya under Gaddafi, but interference from outside turned the country into a banana republic with heaps of armed marginal.
                  Quote: razmik72
                  The weakening of Syria as a state led Russia to be forced to intervene in the war.

                  I don’t understand your logic, well, Russia intervened, so what?
                  1. razmik72
                    razmik72 11 June 2016 20: 16
                    -3
                    Quote: Alexander Romanov
                    Quote: razmik72
                    For some time now, this has become a problem for Russia.

                    Turkey’s problems are that for each confrontation with Russia, it ended with a shit.
                    The smart learns from the mistakes of history, the ram does not change.
                    Quote: razmik72
                    Assad Jr. ruled the country so "brilliantly" that Syria turned from a flourishing country in the Middle East, when you watch reports from there, to the second Stalingrad of 1942

                    If there was no interference from outside, there would be nothing.
                    Libya is an example, in terms of living standards, many European countries were far from Libya under Gaddafi, but interference from outside turned the country into a banana republic with heaps of armed marginal.
                    Quote: razmik72
                    The weakening of Syria as a state led Russia to be forced to intervene in the war.

                    I don’t understand your logic, well, Russia intervened, so what?

                    If Russia had not physically intervened in the war in Syria, Assad would not have ruled the country for a long time, and the Alawites and other Assad supporters would have been sad fate. The intervention of Russia saved Bashar Assad, but this led to a tough clash with Turkey and the Company, and if Syria was not so physically weakened, then Russian intervention was not needed, and victims among Russian soldiers could be avoided, limiting itself only to military-technical assistance from Syria.
                    1. Alexander Romanov
                      Alexander Romanov 11 June 2016 20: 49
                      +4
                      Quote: razmik72
                      But if Syria was not so physically weakened, then Russian intervention was not needed, and victims among Russian soldiers could have been avoided, confining itself only to military-technical assistance from Syria.

                      If this would be the case in Armenia, would they last long without the help of Russia?
                      Why don’t I understand your post.
                3. KaPToC
                  KaPToC 13 June 2016 09: 31
                  +2
                  Quote: razmik72
                  Assad Jr. ruled the country so "brilliantly" that, when you watch reports from there, Syria turned from a flourishing country in the Middle East to the second Stalingrad of 1942.

                  Let's compare the state of Syria with the state of Germany in the forty-fifth, the Germans, they are the same loafers and parasites, brought the country to grips, destroyed Berlin, destroyed Dresden! Or maybe someone else destroyed Dresden?
            2. NEXUS
              NEXUS 11 June 2016 18: 44
              +8
              Quote: razmik72
              Mattresses and the Company, in principle, do not interfere with Turkey, they practically dance to the Turkish dudu

              No dear, Erdogan has never been and never will be a politician who will pursue his own policy and play his tune, because without the support of the West, the Turks will have a lot of problems, starting from Iran and ending with Greece. One does not have to wishful thinking.
              Quote: razmik72
              Russia has pursued and is pursuing a policy preventing Turkey from realizing its strategic plans in the region.

              ISIS bombing and oil caravans going to Turkey, destroying the militants who were treated by the Turks? Do you call this to interfere with Ankara’s strategic plans?
              1. razmik72
                razmik72 11 June 2016 19: 26
                -1
                Quote: NEXUS
                Quote: razmik72
                Mattresses and the Company, in principle, do not interfere with Turkey, they practically dance to the Turkish dudu

                No dear, Erdogan has never been and never will be a politician who will pursue his own policy and play his tune, because without the support of the West, the Turks will have a lot of problems, starting from Iran and ending with Greece. One does not have to wishful thinking.
                Quote: razmik72
                Russia has pursued and is pursuing a policy preventing Turkey from realizing its strategic plans in the region.

                ISIS bombing and oil caravans going to Turkey, destroying the militants who were treated by the Turks? Do you call this to interfere with Ankara’s strategic plans?

                The strategy of Turkey is the overthrow of the legitimate authorities in Syria and, if ISIS helps Turkey achieve these goals, then it does not consider it shameful to use ISIS with Shmigil in its interests. smile
                1. Alexander Romanov
                  Alexander Romanov 11 June 2016 19: 58
                  +4
                  Quote: razmik72
                  and, if ISIS helps Turkey achieve these goals, then it does not consider it shameful to use ISIS with Shmigil in its interests

                  Only ISIS has its own goals, although of course you can blame all the explosions in Turkey on the Kurds. It’s convenient, but I don’t want to slurp at the most.
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 11 June 2016 18: 42
          +4
          Turkey has no "backyard". What it produces is competitive only because large countries are comfortable with the "trade" of this country. Is it possible that their products can be compared with the EU, Japan, the USA? Sales markets are also busy and, accordingly, someone allows them to trade there. Russia, no matter how funny it seems to some, it was a market for an independent Turkey. It was closed. You guess who?
          1. razmik72
            razmik72 11 June 2016 19: 30
            -2
            Quote: avva2012
            Turkey has no "backyard". What it produces is competitive only because large countries are comfortable with the "trade" of this country. Is it possible that their products can be compared with the EU, Japan, the USA? Sales markets are also busy and, accordingly, someone allows them to trade there. Russia, no matter how funny it seems to some, it was a market for an independent Turkey. It was closed. You guess who?

            As a result of a combination of circumstances, Iraq and Syria weakened so much that it began to seem to the head Turk that the above-mentioned countries, roughly speaking, in his pocket and Russia's military intervention aroused anger and a desire to annoy Erdogan.
  8. Winnie76
    Winnie76 11 June 2016 16: 44
    +8
    Ponte Erdogan is expensive. All of Turkey will pay for years. That's human wink
    1. Todessichel
      Todessichel 11 June 2016 17: 40
      -9
      Our show-offs will cost us much more and cost now.
      Pontus payment source, hopefully clear?
      No?
      This is us, gentlemen.
      Vaughn pennies for debts for utilities introduced.
      It will make the type of debtor pay, or somehow magically make it solvent.
      Pont thing expensive.
      For some reason, it’s only paid for by the Russians, not the one who throws them, but the one who throws feed and water)
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 11 June 2016 18: 13
        +3
        These are your show-offs, Mr. Troll. Read Russian literature, not just manuals.
        By the way, a respected forumchanin, cat manul, fox, the most smelling animal in the forest. Badgers survive from their holes, spoiling in front of the entrance. Where can the skunk compete.
        1. Todessichel
          Todessichel 11 June 2016 18: 50
          -3
          Manuals are not needed to see the facts.
          What does literature have to do with this?
          Well, you probably know better.
          Live a literature that has little to do with reality.
          Do cats smell sweet?
          They stink, too, be healthy.
          Speaking of Pontus, where are the specifics of what I have stated.
          You are all at once throwing insults.
          What, doesn’t go anything into a coconut margarine?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 11 June 2016 19: 02
            +1
            You know better at the expense of the manuals. And Russian literature has everything. It is useful to read it. You write corny, nothing new, unlike a man who lives with his brains. "Goes to the left, the song starts ...."
            1. Todessichel
              Todessichel 11 June 2016 19: 50
              -4
              And what can you write cleverly about dibilism?
              With the same success, I can send you to teach ... mmm say astronomy.
              Pts useful vesch, especially applicable to this topic.
              Do not find?
              1. Idiot
                Idiot 13 June 2016 09: 34
                0
                Quote: Todessichel
                And what can you write cleverly about dibilism?


                It is not cats that stink, but their urine, with which they mark their territory. Castrated cats and cats, for example, do not tag. Therefore, they do not stink. Find a comic strip on this topic and read. A stupid person is written with an "e". Being rude to people just because they disagree with you is not a sign of an outstanding mind.
      2. KaPToC
        KaPToC 13 June 2016 10: 08
        0
        Quote: Todessichel
        It will make the type of debtor pay, or somehow magically make it solvent.

        Like housing and communal services workers also want to get paid, you can’t pay, don’t use it.
  9. Todessichel
    Todessichel 11 June 2016 17: 28
    -11%
    Russia is self-sufficient hypothetically.
    Amendment: Russia COULD BE A Self-sufficient Country.
    She was to a large extent in the form of the USSR.
    It will never be like that anymore.
    At the expense of the chances regarding the restoration of relations: Didn't Mr. Putin quite recently clearly say: They, the so-called attitude, that is, their improvement is quite possible if the Turkish side apologizes and compensates.
    Like saying, or am I having something wrong with my head?
    What they received from the Turks again a resounding slap in the face in the form of a mocking misunderstanding of the reason for the apology!
    So, evil Ivan, your eyes are blocked, apparently your anger and memory seem to be short.
    Right thing, long ago the Turks would have been forgiven.
    But this is bad luck- Just forgiving means losing face.
    Hence the timid apology.
    In the same series, partial lifting of the embargo on the import of certain products.
    Type for baby food.
    Children began to cover up their blatant incompetence
    That's like that
    1. avva2012
      avva2012 11 June 2016 17: 47
      +3
      There are no self-sufficient states until one country is formed on Earth. There is always something missing.
      Russia, a peaceful state, you will not mind? Ivan speaks about it. This basic idea, in my opinion, is in the video. And, what you write in your commentary is inciting ethnic hatred and trying to inspire us with distrust of the politics of our state. winked
      1. Todessichel
        Todessichel 11 June 2016 19: 02
        -3
        So there!
        Kindle?
        And what I wrote is not it?
        Are you making a article for me?
        Where did you see that international?
        You will make me feel as if I live on the moon and the domestic policy of our leaders and its consequences do not concern me in any way!
        I am fed up with this madhouse, fed up with this hypocrisy of self-interest.
        Authorities whose shredders repeatedly smeared themselves with corruption scandals are released.
        Are you blind?
        Those in power make a stupid idiot out of a people with cynicism and razrechtlivnost from which is breathtaking.
        It is strange to read frankly such reviews.
        Well ... the dog kicks his favorite owner.
        1. avva2012
          avva2012 11 June 2016 19: 17
          +1
          Sew, this site is not just laughing
          And, in general, how do you turn to Comrade Major? Urgent service, fighter? wassat
          The X-ray was invented back in the days of Ivan the Terrible. No wonder he said, "I ... see you."
    2. KaPToC
      KaPToC 13 June 2016 10: 11
      0
      Quote: Todessichel
      But this is bad luck- Just forgiving means losing face.

      It is for such whiners like you - it is to lose face, the adequate ones can forgive as much as they wish. The task is not to avenge the crime, the task is to prevent future crimes.
  10. Sarmat149
    Sarmat149 11 June 2016 17: 44
    +3
    Quote: razmik72
    I don't even know how to react to such "victorious" articles about the Turkish economy, which is about to make ends meet. I accidentally punched a question on my computer, although I already knew:
    "How much does a teacher get in a school in Turkey?"
    So, the teacher receives from 1800 to 3500 Turkish lira, and one lira is 0,34 US dollars. The question is asked by the author of the article:
    "How much does a Russian teacher get?"
    Turkey, with all its drawbacks, invests in the future and the gloating of Ivan the Victory is not very appropriate.


    You are only about money and care. Already which comment from various articles, and the quintessence of profit. By the way, you are a businessman, in Moscow, in Kaliningrad, you wanted to do something. Well, establish business contacts in Turkey and earn money there. You are for the Armenians in many matters, in Turkey everything is fine with this, Ararat in Turkey, teachers earn a lot. So go ahead.
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 11 June 2016 18: 47
      -3
      Quote: Sarmat149
      Quote: razmik72
      I don't even know how to react to such "victorious" articles about the Turkish economy, which is about to make ends meet. I accidentally punched a question on my computer, although I already knew:
      "How much does a teacher get in a school in Turkey?"
      So, the teacher receives from 1800 to 3500 Turkish lira, and one lira is 0,34 US dollars. The question is asked by the author of the article:
      "How much does a Russian teacher get?"
      Turkey, with all its drawbacks, invests in the future and the gloating of Ivan the Victory is not very appropriate.


      You are only about money and care. Already which comment from various articles, and the quintessence of profit. By the way, you are a businessman, in Moscow, in Kaliningrad, you wanted to do something. Well, establish business contacts in Turkey and earn money there. You are for the Armenians in many matters, in Turkey everything is fine with this, Ararat in Turkey, teachers earn a lot. So go ahead.

      My comment is that it is better to deal with your own problems than, like Ivan Pobeda, it is pointless to rejoice at Turkish “defeats.” The poor economic situation in Turkey will not significantly affect the life of Russians, and with my first comment I wanted to attract the attention of Russians and show that in the Turkish Sultanate, not everything is as bad as the author of the article sneers at.
      If I was indifferent to the fate of your country, then I would not leave my comment on the site, and at worst, I would start writing that Turkey will end soon. Unfortunately, this is not the case, Turkey reminds me of a well-fed and trained "fighting dog", who is waiting to cling to anyone who crosses her "road".
  11. solovald
    solovald 11 June 2016 17: 56
    0
    What is called "discovered America" ​​... And people, as always, hawala ...
  12. Shurale
    Shurale 11 June 2016 18: 10
    -2
    I like the evil Ivan less and less like fast-growing Russian agriculture ?????? This is despite the fact that for a long time there has been a saying - if you want to go broke - engage in agriculture !!!! So then it’s not necessary to lie brazenly, enough already !!!
  13. atamankko
    atamankko 11 June 2016 18: 16
    +1
    The Turks have already felt the delights of complicating relations with Russia,
    but the authorities pretend that everything is going as they planned.
  14. North
    North 11 June 2016 18: 34
    0
    "Well, what's the conclusion? Russia cooperates with neighbors not because of weakness, but out of favor. Russia is self-sufficient and can live autonomously. But its neighbors cannot. Peace, stability and order on its borders are important for Russia. Precisely. therefore she is genuinely helping her neighbors. "

    here it helps the neighbors. and they will tolerate their own. because Tokomo in Russia has a proverb-beat your own so that strangers are afraid. give the last shirt to your neighbor. that's how we live however.

    where is the victory? what is the victory ?. there’s nothing about the article ...
    1. North
      North 11 June 2016 18: 46
      +1
      I’ll add this is more like such a thing. Bati was a Rottweiler; a little dog lived; she died for 14 years. so every spring after she was 5 years old she bit her dad. and since he fed the dog only, after that she didn’t eat 3 days- (he didn’t feed her 3 days). she returned to normal until next spring. everything repeated in the spring. I have never heard from Bati that he defeated her (the dog). oil painting.
  15. Hannibal Lecter
    Hannibal Lecter 11 June 2016 18: 34
    +2
    Now the Turks have only refugees left to influence the European Union
  16. Mentat
    Mentat 12 June 2016 06: 33
    +3
    Quote: razmik72
    By cost factor BM
    I didn’t try to count Big Mac, but you can imagine how much fruit and vegetable production will cost in Turkey itself if it managed to sell it to Russia and in the price segment it competed with manufacturers from other countries and with Russian products.

    She managed to bribe officials and drive frankly g * explicitly to Russia, and not fruit and vegetable products. It seems that the Turks are engaged in agricultural necromancy when you look at this "product". Some corpses of vegetables, not vegetables. Have you seen a real tomato from a state farm recently harvested (not to mention the garden)? Personally, I am very glad that the plastic Turkish imitation of tomatoes will disappear from our shelves.

    Prices for light industry products are the cheapest in the world.
    China is cheaper.

    construction is highly developed.

    Sorry, but I came across examples of Turkish construction. Remained not a high opinion. The only thing, IMHO, that it is highly developed is the ability to give bribes on a large scale.
  17. mamont5
    mamont5 12 June 2016 11: 41
    0
    All right. Neither reduce nor add.
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