Media: EU plans to extend anti-Russian sanctions for another 6 months

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Despite the fact that lately more and more European countries are calling on Brussels to ease anti-Russian sanctions, the EU leadership intends to extend them in full by another 6 months, reports RIA News Post Financial Times.



There are concerns, previously expressed by European diplomats, that a decision on the extension of restrictions “could create confrontation between countries that call for a revision of sanctions, for example Italy, France, Hungary, Greece, and those who support the extension of restrictive measures - Poland and Baltic, writes the edition.

However, FT sources reported that “EU politicians tend to extend sanctions, since the most“ peace-loving ”countries have decided to postpone consideration of their demands until the summit of EU leaders in December of this year.”

According to sources, “the attention of EU politicians is now more focused on the migration crisis, so supporters of normalization of relations with Moscow are still holding back from putting further pressure on other countries on the issue of loosening sanctions or reducing the length of their prolongation from six to three months.”

Nevertheless, the head of the German Foreign Ministry, Steinmeier, recently admitted that resistance to extending anti-Russian sanctions is growing in Europe. “A common position on this issue will be more difficult to achieve than a year ago,” he stated.

Recall, the effect of restrictions expires at the end of the half year - 31 July.
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  1. +43
    10 June 2016 09: 23
    why so little ... we only started to adapt ....

    we have this ... like her b..i - tolerance began to be developed ... in ..
    1. +23
      10 June 2016 09: 29
      Thank God, the French parliamentarians were already scared ... We should have prolonged that way by six ..
      1. +27
        10 June 2016 09: 33
        Quote: dmi.pris
        It would be necessary to extend that way by six ..
        And even toughen up - impose a ban on the sale of American and European securities to the Russian Central Bank. In particular, US Treasury bonds so beloved by our Central Bank and Treasury.
        1. +33
          10 June 2016 09: 35
          I'm gonna go with grief laughing
          1. +9
            10 June 2016 09: 57
            Customs officer Vereshchagin nervously smokes aside ..
            Quote: Thrall
            I'm gonna go with grief laughing
            1. +8
              10 June 2016 10: 52
              Quote: dmi.pris
              Customs officer Vereshchagin nervously smokes aside ..

              sorry, but Vereshchagin had black caviar, which is certainly cooler laughing
              1. jjj
                +3
                10 June 2016 11: 10
                I won’t say anything about black caviar, but if you bite with red caviar, you won’t fall under the table after a liter of bite, it will only shake slightly.
                But the West can’t lift sanctions against Russia. I share the concerns of colleagues about this
                1. +2
                  10 June 2016 12: 20
                  Quote: jjj
                  I won’t say anything about black caviar, but if you bite with red caviar, you won’t fall under the table after a liter of bite, it will only shake slightly.

                  At first, yes, and then ... There was such a case, only under the somiy balyk! A potato with a park, a balyk from a belly, salty, good vodka is cold and other delights. winked They ate really MUCH and at first nothing - a fat balyk did not let vodka pass into the body smile , as it’s learned, it’s already hard here. Well, nothing, at least there is something to remember! wassat
              2. +1
                10 June 2016 11: 15
                In those recent times, red caviar was much more expensive than black.
          2. +11
            10 June 2016 10: 08
            Quote: Thrall
            I'm gonna go with grief


            I see the real results of import substitution ... hi

            P / S Well and you bastard ... seducer .. still morning laughing
        2. +13
          10 June 2016 09: 52
          Our Central Bank must be nationalized and driven away by the filthy broom of all the leaders of the Ministry of Finance and the Central Bank, as they work more to support the US and European economies, but not Russia at all!
      2. +16
        10 June 2016 09: 35
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Thank God, the French parliamentarians have already scared ...


        maybe this ... write an open letter .. there are men who can do this ... and we will subscribe ... There’s a job for Oleg Chuvakin and Volodin ... and then put this issue to a referendum .. and let Europeans generally stunned by the results ..
        1. +4
          10 June 2016 09: 57
          Quote: vorobey
          There’s a job for Oleg Chuvakin and Volodin ...

          Apparently this is the way to do it; turn to the above mentioned people, let them work beautifully! Personally, I will sign!
        2. +5
          10 June 2016 10: 19
          Quote: vorobey
          There’s a job for Oleg Chuvakin and Volodin ...

          Sasha drinksDo not strain the men, it’s dirty to work with gay people
          1. +3
            10 June 2016 10: 53
            Quote: Tersky
            Don’t strain the men, it’s dirty to work with gay people


            But what can you do ... they wrote before both the Sultan and the Baron ... and there were prophetic letters laughing
    2. +3
      10 June 2016 09: 32
      And Russia against the EU is extending the sanctions until the end of 2017 so that they “adapt” well.
    3. +11
      10 June 2016 09: 34
      Quote: vorobey
      we only began to adapt ...

      Quote: dmi.pris
      . It would be necessary to extend that way by six ..

      And our people have just started to get used to and adapt to new realities, but here "hello to you, we have arrived." There is a suspicion that they want to arrange a "swing", sanctions - cancellation, sanctions - cancellation! Almost every week there is talk that someone wants to lift the sanctions. tired already, let them go through the forest field. Died so dead. There’s nothing to dig out every time.
    4. +2
      10 June 2016 09: 50
      Media: EU plans to extend anti-Russian sanctions for another 6 months

      And us army!
    5. +4
      10 June 2016 10: 07
      Thanks to the sanctions, even though they force us to "turn on" the brains of our leadership and ministers.
    6. Dam
      -3
      10 June 2016 11: 03
      And thank God, bankers can speculators take a break, and the industry only began to establish something
      1. +1
        10 June 2016 19: 12
        Quote: Damm
        bankers take a break

        Dear, well, you can’t boast of your ignorance like that! We do not live under socialism, although it’s also relevant there, look at China, everywhere they finance in their own country too.
        Remember: Banks are the circulatory system of the economy! And for its cleanliness and health, we all, and the government in particular, must fight even cleaner than corruption!
        1. Dam
          0
          11 June 2016 00: 22
          Dear, I am so ignorant that I created my own business without a penny of loans. And competitors overtook me, but like a crisis - they are bankrupt, but I live like that
        2. Dam
          0
          11 June 2016 01: 08
          Personally, I’m much closer to the principles of Islamic banking, where the bank shares the risks with the entrepreneur and helps him. Modern Russian banking is a speculator mediator between the money of the Central Bank and the consumer. In fact, legalized money-lender changed to the same working for the Central Bank money. Before the sanctions, bankers, in addition to Central Bank money, had the opportunity to use the money of Western players, automatically becoming their agent of influence.
          1. 0
            11 June 2016 01: 43
            Quote: Damm
            Personally, I’m much closer to the principles of Islamic banking, where the bank shares the risks with the entrepreneur and helps him

            - did you work with them, or just read about them?
            - is it true that there is no "loan interest"?

            Quote: Damm
            Before the sanctions, bankers, in addition to Central Bank money, had the opportunity to use the money of Western players, automatically becoming their agent of influence

            I didn't understand the mechanics of "influence", to be honest:

            - a local bank borrowed money from a western bank
            - a local bank gave me a loan of this money
            - I have obligations only to the local bank, not to the western
            - what is the "influence"?
            1. Dam
              0
              11 June 2016 18: 04
              Mr. Friedman's Alpha Bank is created and controlled by the Rothschilds. It is strange that he UVZ bankrupt? At the stage of privatization, many banking groups received direct Western money to buy up entire industries, which were successfully buried. Getting money on a soft loan from someone, you are very dependent on this person or group of people. For some time now, in any bank where I go, the first thing I do is pop a piece of paper, am I not a US resident, is it interesting in the states too?
              I didn’t work with IB, but I like the idea
              1. 0
                11 June 2016 18: 25
                Quote: Damm
                Mr. Friedman's Alpha Bank is created and controlled by the Rothschilds ...

                Are you talking about this, probably?

                Quote: Cat Man Null
                Quote: Damm
                Before the sanctions, bankers, in addition to Central Bank money, had the opportunity to use the money of Western players, automatically becoming their agent of influence

                I didn't understand the mechanics of "influence", to be honest:

                - a local bank borrowed money from a western bank
                - a local bank gave me a loan of this money
                - I have obligations only to the local bank, not to the western
                - what is the "influence"?

                OK, let's go ...

                - I will not even mock "created by the Rothschilds"
                - the catch is that I knew Friedman quite well in his early years. Well, speculation, well, he organized discos, well, theatrical tickets there (the guy organized the "system". A queue was built, each took two pairs, at par, one for themselves, the other .. um .. to the organizer, also at par. then he sold at a completely different price already. There are a hundred minimum people in the queue, we count the profit) ... the money, by student standards, the guy had a lot of money, and he had a wolfish nose for it
                - and when the guy got a bank, somehow I wasn't even surprised. On the "wave of perestroika" and not so emerged

                Now tell me:

                - if Alfa Bank is an agent of the Rothschilds
                - what, stump, the difference - where did Alpha get the money that she borrowed from UVZ?
                - there is a command "fas" (conventionally, from the Rothschilds lol), if the debt UVZ Alfa .. bankrupt - I do not want what they say, regardless of the source of borrowed money ...

                Somehow does not stick together until your

                Quote: Damm
                Before sanctions, bankers except for central money had the opportunity to use the money of western players, automatically becoming their agent of influence

                Well, it doesn’t stick together request
                1. Dam
                  0
                  11 June 2016 21: 17
                  It so happened that I know quite well his cousin. He was the head of a small construction department at the time of the collapse, and we drank more than once with him and heard something from him personally about the sources. The question is that if you build your business on borrowed money and at the same time are a nominee director, you are not free in your decisions and actions. Forgive Manul, (I don’t know your name), if you owe me a lot of money and I can withdraw it at any time (and all loan agreements are structured that way), I can dictate some actions to you. How could I explained. Sincerely.
  2. +10
    10 June 2016 09: 25
    It seems that with these "sanctions", they flaunt themselves in front of themselves wassat
    Russia has long been in parallel - are they, or not request
    Yes, it’s hard at first, what is there to conceal? But nothing, we got out of the situation, and even with a plus - we launched (or resumed) our own production in many positions good
    1. +1
      10 June 2016 09: 33
      It seems that they are "showing off in front of each other" with their lengths of manhood and not with sanctions ..
    2. 0
      10 June 2016 09: 55
      Quote: Andrey K
      launched (or resumed) own production in many positions

      This had to be done a long time ago, and not sit on an oil needle! And for this, shake up the entire economic block so that it works for the good of Russia!
    3. +6
      10 June 2016 10: 03
      No.

      There are different sanctions. Cucumbers are tomatoes at everyone's ears and there you can laugh.

      Another business is a company like Deckel-Maho, ABB. It is a key and indispensable supplier. For example, for the same Irkut, without ABB and DMG - there would be no Yak-130, MS-21 and others. However, Irkut managed to rearm when possible, but the Falcon did not have time and there Il-114 goes tight. And in other areas, many re-equipment programs of the machine park were calculated for the 15-20 of the year. And they have already become impossible.

      China is used here, but on machine tools, China itself purchases from the Germans the latest generations and the most complex complexes.

      And there are still engines, again on the Yak-152 there is an Austrian engine (yes, created by the Russians) - but produced and registered in Austria. The same MTU blocked supplies - you can say as much as you like that Kolomna is the best, but in reality the D49 did not show itself very well in the fleet (the same casting which is not a problem in diesel locomotives, but in the Navy leads to fires in corvettes, which became the norm for 20380, and in the fires grew out on 2 corvettes, now there’s wise new gas ducts with purging so that the material would not collect), a really new and competitive diesel engine will be closer to the 2020 years - the 16 cylinder D500.

      And besides, there’s still a lot of similar ones, for example, the same DGU - won Gren breaks all the deadlines, because the Urals can’t bring them back to normal. It's already half of June - and Gren is worth it if that.
      1. +3
        10 June 2016 10: 12
        Quote: donavi49
        China is used here, but on machine tools, China itself purchases from the Germans the latest generations and the most complex complexes.


        Well, there is still South Korea ... as for mechanical engineering .. I myself judge the defense industry because they could not squeeze in with the Chinese there. although a brand like Swiss and the price is more interesting ...


        Quote: donavi49
        And there are still engines, again on the Yak-152 there is an Austrian engine (yes, created by the Russians) - but produced and registered in Austria. The same MTU blocked supplies - you can say as much as you like that Kolomna is the best, but really the D49 is not very good in the fleet (the same casting which is not a problem in diesel locomotives, but in the Navy leads to fires in corvettes, which became the norm for 20380, and grew into fires on 2 corvettes, now new gas ducts are purged with purging so that the material is not collected), a really new and competitive diesel engine will be closer to 2020 - 16 cylinder D500. And besides, there’s still a lot of similar ones, for example, the same DGU - won Gren breaks all the deadlines, because the Urals can’t bring them back to normal. It's already half of June - and Gren is worth it if that.


        it just means that work is endless .. and you need to strain your own brains .. Remember the words of Bu Anderson .. I like working with Russians .. give them a month, not enough, give them half a year — not enough ... they do everything in one last day laughing
    4. 0
      10 June 2016 11: 15
      Quote: Andrey K
      It seems that with these "sanctions", they flaunt themselves in front of themselves

      Yes, there are the most "irreconcilable" - apple and spratniki, with whom the trade turnover has already fallen below the plinth.
      As a "gratitude", it is necessary to completely nullify trade with them, with a complete cessation of the transshipment of our cargo through their ports.
  3. +4
    10 June 2016 09: 27
    Despite the fact that recently more and more European countries have called on Brussels to ease anti-Russian sanctions, the EU leadership intends to extend them in full for another 6 months
    Whatever the child would amuse .... Yes, let them be sanctioned by these sanctions.
    1. 0
      10 June 2016 11: 09
      Quote: svp67
      Yes, let them be sanctioned by these sanctions.
  4. +3
    10 June 2016 09: 28
    Yes, let them extend already. And without them it will somehow be boring.
  5. +11
    10 June 2016 09: 30
    do not care, the main thing is not to remove their counter-sanctions
    1. +2
      10 June 2016 10: 00
      Yeah .. and those who type doubt too.
  6. +3
    10 June 2016 09: 31
    Sanctions of Russia must be introduced laughing very beneficial effect on our economy. And these, shallow, let them decide whether Russia will lift their sanctions this year, or extend it until the next. And then the BALTICS decide whether to lift sanctions from Russia or not. Yes, all these Baltic states can be populated in St. Petersburg, and there will still be a place.
  7. +3
    10 June 2016 09: 33
    "..focused on the migration crisis ..."
    Well, that is, not up to us ?! and rightly so: the refugees want to eat too - Polish apples, French cheeses, German sausages (maybe!), Greek olives, Danish butter and smell Dutch tulips! What the hell is Russia ?! The "cockroaches" that have come running, would be fed ... recourse
  8. +2
    10 June 2016 09: 33
    I suggest not to be trifled, we are adults.
  9. +2
    10 June 2016 09: 34
    The EU is still that viper.
    Those who have business interests related to the Russian market suffer losses and advocate the lifting of sanctions in the interests of their business.
    And the Baltic states have nothing to lose, therefore, they are for the extension of the sanctions, while not realizing that their donors left without the Russian market will not be able to finance them.
    In general, everyone hiss, not thinking about common interests and these squabbles are imposed on us as a model of civilization !!!
  10. +5
    10 June 2016 09: 34
    Hurray, comrades! I was afraid that it would not be extended, and ours (from above) would stop moving. Fu, thank God, "carried", extended !!!
  11. +3
    10 June 2016 09: 35
    EU leadership intends to extend them in full

    These are dolls. Puppeteer overseas.
  12. +4
    10 June 2016 09: 35
    What great news in the morning smile
  13. HAM
    +2
    10 June 2016 09: 36
    A holy place is never empty! We may have time to establish our own, otherwise the "sanctions" will be lifted and our manufacturers will lose heart, and they will work "under the sanctions".
  14. +1
    10 June 2016 09: 37
    All this is done out of harm, but it’s hard for us, but we are growing stronger.
  15. +3
    10 June 2016 09: 39
    Sanctions are renewed by them automatically, without even thinking or discussing whether it is necessary or not.
    EU politicians live on their own, European countries on their own. Everything is as always and everywhere.
  16. +1
    10 June 2016 09: 40
    Maybe it's time to end this chewing snot about sanctions, and we need to start working. Hey government, you will be busy for a long time, or in our financial and economic bloc some degenerates have gathered, incapable of anything except whining and cutting the budget.
  17. +2
    10 June 2016 09: 40
    Great. I hope that the sanctions will not be lifted, otherwise our leaders will relax again and quit engaging in economics.
  18. +2
    10 June 2016 09: 40
    those who advocate the extension of restrictive measures - Poland and the Baltic countries

    European heavyweights, where without them. Europe itself stepped on the rake of its collegiality and democracy. To dwarfs, common sense is alien. They embarrassed the old woman with their Russophobic dances. However, she needs to save face.
  19. +1
    10 June 2016 09: 58
    Tomorrow, alas, I have a normal working day, but at the end of the day I will condemn the bubble for sanctions with pleasure !!!
  20. bad
    0
    10 June 2016 10: 09
    Media: EU plans to extend anti-Russian sanctions for another 6 months
    ... heh .. dda for at least another 6 years .. drinks all that does not kill us will make us stronger! .. and yet, what good is a Russian-German-death! laughing not I, our ancestors said .. verified .. bully
  21. 0
    10 June 2016 10: 11
    All this reminds a piece of fat on a spinning rod - tomorrow will be better than yesterday!
  22. 0
    10 June 2016 10: 14
    But why the heck does our government buy US government bonds?
  23. 0
    10 June 2016 10: 17
    neither cold nor hot, spit on the EU, all one wretched mind
  24. 0
    10 June 2016 10: 18
    Give sanctions !!!!! HOORAY!!!! drinks We will raise the economy of the motherland to a new level !!!!! good
  25. 0
    10 June 2016 10: 20
    A unique case of self-castration of euromasochistslaughing And tightened and hurt. As if a neighbor frightened another neighbor with a knife, stretching for years to demonstrate his "toughness, stamina" and sharpness of the knife on his own personal belongings, sawing them off at 0,05 millimeters a week. Horror laughing
    Maybe it's time to spit on these degrodes from the EU, and do your own well-being?
  26. 0
    10 June 2016 10: 21
    Quote: Ami du peuple
    Quote: dmi.pris
    It would be necessary to extend that way by six ..
    And even toughen up - impose a ban on the sale of American and European securities to the Russian Central Bank. In particular, US Treasury bonds so beloved by our Central Bank and Treasury.

    And also, in order to completely "sanction" the Russian Federation, RETURN all the funds invested by the GDP / LADIES / Nae..bulina in the "treasury" to us ... BUY them from US; "throw our money in our face" ("return the money-box / stabilization fund / NWF to the Russian Federation)," so that we choke on "our own money !!! Fantastic, of course ...
    1. +2
      10 June 2016 10: 51
      Quote: dr. sem
      And also, in order to completely "sanction" the Russian Federation, RETURN all the funds invested by the GDP / LADIES / Nae..bulina in the "treasury" to us ... BUY them from US; "throw our money in our face" ("return the money-box / stabilization fund / NWF to the Russian Federation)," so that we choke on "our own money !!! Fantastic, of course ...

      You freak, boatswain, and your dreams ... are strange request

      That's what these treasurers prevented you from doing?

      - they can be returned to the issuer at any time (if the Americans did not redeem them, there will be a slight panic from other holders of these securities. Let me remind you, China alone has $ 1.3 trillion worth of them for Trillion, Karl). Treasure is low incomebut absolutely reliable investing money
      - they can be sold at any time. Not to the States, but to a third country. More difficult, but possible. Treasure highly liquid (unlike, for example, the same gold)
      - They bring some no income (bucks and euros don't)

      So why did you need to "return" them? Don't like the word? wink

      PS: forget the song about "investing in your own industry":

      - investments in your own industry - this is you, for example, building a house
      - treasuries, "airbags" and others - this is your stash for a rainy day

      The difference in amounts - can you imagine? fool
      1. 0
        10 June 2016 11: 04
        For "Cats", the "rainy day" in Russia has already become indefinite.
        1. +1
          10 June 2016 11: 55
          Quote: dr. sem
          For "Cats", the "rainy day" in Russia has already become indefinite

          - I just know people who lived normally, but suddenly lost their jobs
          - those who had a "stash" (aka "safety cushion") - after living on it for a month or two (well, having shrunk a little at the same time), they found a new job and began to live normally again
          - those who did not have this "pillow" ... well, they did not die either, in general. But at the same time, they joined the ranks of creditors, and now they are feeding the evil bank "loan interest" ( laughing )

          The hint is clear, I hope? wink
  27. bad
    +2
    10 June 2016 10: 22
    Quote: dmi.pris
    It seems that they are "showing off in front of each other" with their lengths of manhood and not with sanctions ..
    .. I don’t know what they have for acne laughing but the Russians amicably laid on top of them and they squeak laughing would have jumped off long ago, but their mattresses are twisted on a bump .. laughing
  28. 0
    10 June 2016 10: 25
    Only a year (approximately) after the lifting of sanctions by Europe, Russia will begin to weaken the action of some of the counter-sanctions against Europe. This will be a lesson for prim Europe.
  29. KOH
    0
    10 June 2016 11: 13
    !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!It's good....
  30. -1
    10 June 2016 11: 40
    Sanctions are good, but it takes a lot of time to discuss this topic. It seems to me that they will be immediately removed, as we stop discussing and wasting our nerve cells and time on it. So to speak with examples: as our informational space about rabid dogs was boiling and PR itself, so now it boils about a raider or about sanctions.

    As "our indignant mind" ceases to boil and react so violently, so they will immediately multiply by zero. Conclusion - if we need sanctions, we must "indignant" how we suffer from them and vice versa. smile

    In the meantime, our authorities, like a husky dog, are leading their ears - a word of sanction and clearly showing that this topic hurts them, they will be regularly given a command - now we will remove the sanctions, aport!
  31. -1
    10 June 2016 11: 40
    Quote: Thrall
    I'm gonna go with grief laughing

    What sorrow? I was really scared - would they really take it off. Again, our manufacturers will suffer.
  32. 0
    10 June 2016 11: 57
    Well and good, we just started import substitution. Look, they write, the cows were upset)))))))))
  33. 0
    10 June 2016 12: 03
    The hedgehog was scared naked ... Where is our hedgehog? The field for his activity is ready: European countries have turned their backs on us.
  34. 0
    10 June 2016 12: 06
    Who would doubt that. Whatever countries would like, the EU leadership will do its own thing anyway.
  35. -1
    10 June 2016 12: 18
    Why six? Break us down with sanctions! Break us completely! laughing
    More sanctions are good and different!
    Western omissions and chmyry - spitting under Russian feet!
  36. 0
    10 June 2016 12: 21
    Quote: Londa
    Well and good, we just started import substitution. Look, they write, the cows were upset)))))))))

    And yes, write, sho dolhota will live in Russenia, I grew up like a yeast, right up to 71 years old! Even relatives around are dying either until retirement or a year / two after the release ... Yes, yes, "propaganda cows have been fed up" for a complete piece of iron.
  37. 0
    10 June 2016 12: 36
    It is not clear why our central media trumpet these sanctions movements every day and look into the mouths of any European rural legislative assembly with hope, as soon as it adopts another recommendatory petition to abolish, and the slogans of special correspondents like "Yes, we don't care !! .. but I would like to cancel please (((Reminds the excitement before the introduction, when they trumpeted that Europe will never introduce it is unprofitable ... and they take it and enter request .
    1. +2
      10 June 2016 13: 09
      Quote: 3officer
      It is not clear why our central media trumpet these sanctions movements every day and look into the mouths of any European rural legislative assembly with hope, as soon as it adopts another recommendatory petition to abolish, and the slogans of special correspondents like "Yes, we don't care !! .. but I would like to cancel please (((Reminds the excitement before the introduction, when they trumpeted that Europe will never introduce it is unprofitable ... and they take it and enter request .


      I answer ... the media are the mouthpiece of the authorities and, accordingly, of the elite ... and have you seen somewhere that the Elite worked hard and tear her like a garbage cat for lack of results ... so they hope that relief will come again ... and something for us ... it won’t become easier for us .. something like that .. feel
  38. 0
    10 June 2016 13: 00
    Already a tear broke! ... for joy. ... silt ..
  39. +2
    10 June 2016 13: 41
    Quote: vorobey
    P / S Well and you bastard ... seducer .. still morning

    In such containers only non-courage keep eggs, she presses herself. The height of the cube is not more than 10 cm.
    1. +4
      10 June 2016 13: 51
      Quote: Pavel Tsybay
      In such containers only unlucky spawn


      I want to be so clumsy ... laughing drinks
  40. 0
    10 June 2016 13: 42
    tired of it all, prolonged so extended. if our government, the economic unit, at least someone would announce. even the president, even the thought.

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