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KLA: the military will begin to receive MiG-35 aircraft in 2018 g

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The tests of the MiG-35 should be completed in 2017 g, and in the 2018-ohm will begin deliveries of machines in the Russian Aerospace Force, transmits TASS a message from the representative of the United Aircraft Corporation Vladimir Mikhailov.


KLA: the military will begin to receive MiG-35 aircraft in 2018 g


“Under the contract with the Ministry of Defense for the MiG-35, OCD is currently being continued (development work). They come with a slight lag from the schedule due to the fault of the enterprises of cooperation, which delay the supply of components, but we can say that, in general, this problem is solved, we are catching up with the schedule. In the 2017 year, very short-term tests of the machine will take place, since its prototype has already been tested many times. In 2018, the aircraft will begin to flow into the VKS units, ”
told Mikhailov.

He noted that the contract with the Ministry of Defense has not been signed yet.

“First you need to make a plane, and then sign a contract. How many cars will be purchased - I’m not giving you the exact figure right now, but previously it was planned to purchase 37 aircraft. "

Earlier, the head of MiG, Sergei Korotkov, said that testing of the pre-production aircraft batch would begin later this year.
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ergei Bobylev / TASS
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  1. Vladimirets
    Vladimirets 9 June 2016 17: 17
    +34
    "earlier it was planned to purchase 37 aircraft"

    Is it light, then, front-line fighter? Crumbs. No.
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 9 June 2016 17: 21
      +4
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Is it light, then, front-line fighter? Crumbs.

      yeah, not enough
      1. cniza
        cniza 9 June 2016 17: 39
        +8
        It, of course, is not enough, but it is better than nothing and there is hope that the flywheel will unwind.
        1. YGV-97219
          YGV-97219 9 June 2016 17: 47
          +9
          That's for sure! And then some said that what for it is generally needed when there is a SU-35!
          1. g1v2
            g1v2 9 June 2016 22: 29
            +1
            Rather, what for is it needed if there is a Su30, which is a little more expensive, but much cooler. The Mig35 partake will probably be bought purely so that the plane can be driven abroad. But I don’t believe in his big purchases from the word at all.
            1. Dormidont2
              Dormidont2 10 June 2016 00: 03
              +1
              for a front-line vehicle, a single-engine lightweight cheap mass fighter with a modern airborne fleet (afar) of the mig e8 type, with one engine from su 27 (based on mig21) is enough for https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%95-8_% 28% D0% B8% D1% 81% D1% 82% D1% 80% D0% B5% D
              0%B1%D0%B8%D1%82%D0%B5%D0%BB%D1%8C%29
          2. Kyrgyz
            Kyrgyz 10 June 2016 18: 44
            0
            Quote: yugv-xnumx
            That's for sure! And then some said that what for it is generally needed when there is a SU-35!

            I spoke, and I continue to not understand its advantages.
            1. YGV-97219
              YGV-97219 11 June 2016 18: 17
              0
              What does the advantage have to do with it! Russia that is hindered by light modern fighter jets, workloads, jobs and money, don’t worry, do not worry about the budget!
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      3. gispanec
        gispanec 9 June 2016 18: 42
        +3
        Quote: Vladimirets
        "earlier it was planned to purchase 37 aircraft"

        quote from article - "He noted that the contract with the Ministry of Defense so far not signed."
    2. Thunderbolt
      Thunderbolt 9 June 2016 17: 24
      +6
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Crumbs.
      A loaf of crumbs consists. They would give this batch of the army (1-th, the most important), and an additional order can always be made as production is being debugged.
      1. Comrade Glebov
        Comrade Glebov 9 June 2016 17: 55
        +6
        Quote: Thunderbolt
        Quote: Vladimirets
        Crumbs.
        A loaf of crumbs consists. They would give this batch of the army (1-th, the most important), and an additional order can always be made as production is being debugged.

        Yeah, God forbid, by the 2030 year, maybe we’ll get 200 pieces at such a pace. Although it seems to me that this is either a completely trial series and they are afraid to take more, or too bad with resources, money or labor. Need BOOOOOOL MIIIIIIIGOV!
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 9 June 2016 19: 21
          +10
          If you look at the procurement of the Su-30 (34,35), you will see that they are purchased in batches (contracts). One contract is executed, a new one is signed immediately. Moreover, the number in these contracts is approximately the same (no more than a regiment). hi
          1. Talgat
            Talgat 10 June 2016 20: 53
            0
            Kasim agrees - 37 is most likely the first contract - no one will create an airplane because of 37 pieces - that is, there will be contracts after

            Then I read. that Kazakhstan was also interested in 35 Mig. Su-30 began to be purchased - and Su 35 will probably be - of course further and better - and so on - but also more expensive - you must have a fleet of light front-line fighters

            and Belarus it’s the most - on the border with the enemy
    3. tiredwithall
      tiredwithall 9 June 2016 17: 30
      +11
      Quote: Vladimirets
      "earlier it was planned to purchase 37 aircraft"

      Is it light, then, front-line fighter? Crumbs. No.


      Guys, what can be the order today, when the OCD is not completed, there are no real tests of machines? If 37 is an experimental batch, then this is a lot. Or do you need a raw machine in parts?
      1. SSeT
        SSeT 9 June 2016 23: 16
        +1
        And how many cars presented 10 years ago will be experienced? another 10 years? and there will be 30 of them AJ? Nahua taka hua? how much can this be cheated already - a frigid wet modification of the sufferer of the 29th? Need - bring the series and give, but no, that's enough to kick the corpse already and cut the loot! am
    4. seti
      seti 9 June 2016 17: 33
      +3
      We wait a long time. But it seems like they finally decided. The right car with great potential.
    5. weksha50
      weksha50 9 June 2016 17: 50
      +3
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Is it light, then, front-line fighter? Crumbs.



      If you take into account the derogatory attitude to the Mig-29 over the past couple of decades - then this is not at all crumbs ...

      However - the opinions of pilots from the combatant units - no one will ask ... As well as major generals, current commanders of air divisions ...

      Everything is decided by us by the generals from the Air Force-VKS and business, not leaving Mercia and offices ...

      It’s generally wonderful that Migu was allowed to break through after many decades of obstruction ...
      1. EvilLion
        EvilLion 9 June 2016 18: 25
        -4
        The problem of small tank capacity on the MiG-35 as it were solved.
        Which does not negate the wretchedness of the early MiG-29.
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 9 June 2016 18: 45
          +8
          Quote: EvilLion
          The problem of small tank capacity on the MiG-35 as it were solved.
          Which does not negate the wretchedness of the early MiG-29.

          What is this all about? MiG-29, as well as MiG-35, front-line fighters. Analogs F-16. They are much cheaper than fighters gaining superiority in the air, such as the Su-27 or Su-35, or interceptors, such as the MiG-31. It is the front-line fighters that make it possible to increase the mass composition of military aircraft. It is on them that the main burden of battles in large-scale wars lies. And in local conflicts, it often makes no sense to drive heavy cars. In this context, 37 cars is really small and I want to believe that this is only an installation party.
          1. SSeT
            SSeT 9 June 2016 23: 22
            0
            Well, yes, especially here they are cheaper. They are gone 10 years and invisibly. But cheaper, of course. they don’t fly, cheaply! Bugoga!
      2. Andrey Sukharev
        Andrey Sukharev 9 June 2016 18: 47
        +7
        Considering that the production facilities for the production of migrants were plundered by effective managers, and the specialists ran away, it’s generally surprising that MiG-29 was able to bring it back to life
    6. Приговор
      Приговор 9 June 2016 19: 29
      0
      Guys, this is the first year of mass production 37. Next, there will be more. Everyone understands that hundreds, if not thousands, of such machines are needed.
    7. hirurg
      hirurg 9 June 2016 22: 26
      0
      Calm down, do not boil)))
    8. hirurg
      hirurg 9 June 2016 23: 26
      0
      Planned means will be. And the fact that small, then in this you can find the pros)))
    9. silver_roman
      silver_roman 10 June 2016 09: 29
      0
      Quote: Vladimirets
      Is it light, then, front-line fighter? Crumbs.

      This is the first batch.
      We can’t, like the Yankees, rivet under 200 raw aircraft, and then upgrade them forever.
      But I heard globally that the ratio of light to heavy fighters should be 2 to 1 towards the lungs.
      In addition, the MiG-35, although lighter, has characteristics quite close to heavy aircraft. This is an increased range, and carrying capacity, headlight / AFAR capabilities, weapons, dynamic characteristics, etc.
  2. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 9 June 2016 17: 20
    +2
    KLA: the military will begin to receive MiG-35 aircraft in 2018 g
    it seems hypersonic before MiGs will start to do ... some kind of viscous business ...
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    2. RUSS
      RUSS 9 June 2016 17: 43
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      it seems hypersonic before MiGs will start to do ... some kind of viscous business ...

      The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) expects the first domestic model of combat 6th generation aircraft will be created in about 12 years. This was announced by the head of the directorate of military aviation programs of the UAC Vladimir Mikhailov. According to him, "most likely, we can talk about the second half of the 2020s." At the same time, it is expected that in the USA, 6th generation fighters will replace current aircraft only in the 2030s.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 9 June 2016 19: 05
        +4
        Quote: RUSS
        At the same time, it is expected that in the USA, 6th generation fighters will replace current aircraft only in the 2030s.

        Military corporations Northrop Grumman and Lockheed Martin are already releasing commercials with a 6th generation fighter.

        1. Berkut24
          Berkut24 9 June 2016 19: 55
          +3
          And what, in the F-35th already disappointed? The fifth generation didn’t work, then let's rivet the sixth?
          F-35 flew to Congress at one and a half trillion dollars. What will the powerful American economy value Generation 6?
        2. Tektor
          Tektor 9 June 2016 21: 57
          +2
          It is impossible now to make a 6th generation fighter, because generations change with technology. All that can now leave the factory can be only 5 generations BEST. That's when there will be systems and technologies that make it possible to make a qualitative improvement in the combat capabilities of a fighter, then the 6th generation will become possible. And now, what has grown has grown.
      2. Pushkar77
        Pushkar77 9 June 2016 19: 20
        -3
        It’s hard to understand what’s going on in the aircraft industry, they announced the development of a hypersonic interceptor (at first they wanted to build from scratch, then decided to take the MiG-31 as a basis, so as not to go bankrupt), now there’s another fighter, but they say the treasury is empty, probably looking for someone . We will have three different machines for training pilots, isn't that a bit much? It seems that they got to the money (probably for those that the state cut off from the state defense order), why do we need three training aircraft? Yak-130, SP-10 (it seems) and Yak-152. it would be better if they bought a hundred MiG-35s, and they still say the treasury is empty. So many cars and many of them just duplicate each other.
        1. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 9 June 2016 20: 13
          +1
          Quote: Pushkar77
          It’s hard to understand what’s going on in the aircraft industry, they announced the development of a hypersonic interceptor (at first they wanted to build from scratch, then decided to take the MiG-31 as a basis, so as not to go bankrupt), now there’s another fighter, but they say the treasury is empty, probably looking for someone . We will have three different machines for training pilots, isn't that a bit much? It seems that they got to the money (probably for those that the state cut off from the state defense order), why do we need three training aircraft? Yak-130, SP-10 (it seems) and Yak-152. it would be better if they bought a hundred MiG-35s, and they still say the treasury is empty. So many cars and many of them just duplicate each other.

          The Yak-152 and SP-10 are actually just more necessary than too heavy and having a very high landing speed of the Yak-130. And both are needed. Initially, pilots learn the basics on light flying desks such as the Yak-52 (the Yak-152 should just replace it), then they transfer to light jet training. And the Yak-130 is already a luxury, because it is a training aircraft for advanced training. There is no acute need for it because it actually duplicates the so-called sparks of training combat and combat aircraft such as the MiG-29UB or the two-seater MiG-35, Su-27UB or Su-30. In the Yak-152, it’s only shitty that the engine is Austrian, not domestic. Was it really impossible to make efforts in advance to create any of your own? After all, this is not to build an orbital station, and not to create an engine for PAK FA! And in the courtyard of the 21st century. By God, if Lukashenko was the president of Russia, there would be no such problems.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 10 June 2016 00: 23
            0
            There is no acute need for it because it actually duplicates the so-called sparks of training combat and combat aircraft such as the MiG-29UB or the two-seater MiG-35, Su-27UB or Su-30


            I mean there is no urgent need? one plane that replaces (simulates) all the others + is also cheaper to operate than the originals.
            1. Skifotavr
              Skifotavr 10 June 2016 09: 17
              0
              Quote: alexmach

              I mean there is no urgent need? one plane that replaces (simulates) all the others + is also cheaper to operate than the originals.

              Yes, but you have to buy it first. And we are talking about training new recruits in flight schools - this is where they use it in Russia. And he is not quite suitable for this. Of course there are pilots from God who immediately give everything, but someone will have a hard time on such. I read a lot where that in Russia there is an acute shortage of precisely light flying desks for flight schools. Of course, now some other countries are also beginning to use the Yak-130 or its analogs-clones as a training, bribed by its beauty and maneuverability, but knowledgeable people say that this is not very smart.
        2. Aljavad
          Aljavad 10 June 2016 00: 33
          +1
          why do we need three training aircraft? Yak-130, SP-10 (it seems) and Yak-152.


          In general, they distinguish between an INITIAL TRAINING PLANE, a PREPARED TRAINING PLANE, and a TRAINING PLANE FOR CONSTRUCTION PILOTS (save the resource of military vehicles, but with similar flight capabilities)

          Here are "three training planes"

          PS: not SP-10, but SR-10
        3. Verdun
          Verdun 10 June 2016 12: 30
          0
          Quote: Pushkar77
          Yak-130, SP-10 (it seems) and Yak-152. it would be better if they bought a hundred MiG-35s, and they still say the treasury is empty. So many cars and many of them just duplicate each other.

          First, the child is put on a three-wheeled bike, then on a small two-wheeled one, then on a larger two-wheeled one. Only after he went through all these stages does it make sense to acquire a serious unit for him. Where is the duplication here? Or do you need to immediately on a cool bike and face on the asphalt?
      3. Skifotavr
        Skifotavr 9 June 2016 19: 52
        0
        Quote: RUSS
        The United Aircraft Corporation (UAC) expects the first domestic model of combat 6th generation aircraft will be created in about 12 years. This was announced by the head of the directorate of military aviation programs of the UAC Vladimir Mikhailov. According to him, "most likely, we can talk about the second half of the 2020s." At the same time, it is expected that in the USA, 6th generation fighters will replace current aircraft only in the 2030s.

        This is nonsense. Like the statements of these saw cutters that the 6th generation Russian fighter will be hypersonic. From those who are not blushing, says nothing good is to be expected.
        1. RUSS
          RUSS 9 June 2016 21: 07
          +1
          Quote: Skifotavr
          This is nonsense. Like the statements of these saw cutters that the 6th generation Russian fighter will be hypersonic

          So in general, no one says that the 6th generation fighter will be hypersonic, where did you read this? laughing
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 9 June 2016 21: 58
            0
            Quote: RUSS
            So in general, no one says that the 6th generation fighter will be hypersonic, where did you read this? laughing

            Yes, that's at least. Moreover, this "news" was disseminated throughout the Russian Internet: https://rg.ru/2016/06/09/rossijskij-istrebitel-shestogo-pokoleniia-budet-giperzv
            ukovym.html
    3. weksha50
      weksha50 9 June 2016 17: 54
      +1
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      it seems hypersonic before MiGs will start to do ...how tough then ...


      That's it ... And I'm sure hypersonic can get stuck in a bureaucratic-financial swamp ...


      Does it not seem strange to you that there is no money for pensioners, social programs, and, most importantly, for the military-industrial complex-defense industrial complex, but is there any kind of business that is not of primary importance for the sovereignty of the state?
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 9 June 2016 19: 24
        +1
        Quote: weksha50
        not of primary importance for the sovereignty of the state - is there?

        So also Russia has forgiven the debts of the USSR for more than 100 billion dollars.
        Not so long ago, Zhirinovsky spoke to Medvedev in the State Duma. And he said that the heads of some state corporations receive 2 million rubles a day (25-50 million dollars a year), while all of Russia is 15-20 thousand a month. Constantly in the newspapers they write that the child needs 90,100,180 thousand rubles for treatment. In principle, this is a penny for the state, but for some reason, parents of sick children cannot receive state funding for insurance treatment, but are forced to ask for help from all kinds of charitable foundations.
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    4. Pushkar77
      Pushkar77 9 June 2016 18: 47
      +7
      This is a business, the entire defense industry will be privatized, for example, VEB bought up the shares of "Sukhoi", it was said that "for debts" (and this is not even funny, the "Sukhoi" has billions of green profits). RSK, RosVertol and the rest of the VChPK are waiting for their turn. has been ready for the series for a long time, Sergey Korotkov has been talking about this for a couple of years now, it's just that the next two years will be purchased Su-35, T-50, Su-30. All lines from RSK MiG are ready for the production of MiG-29M / M2, MiG-35, it is up to the management, although in fact and from the experience of wars it is clear that there should be hundreds of light, medium fighters, we have a bias towards super-expensive heavy machines, they have a hyper-expensive combat mission, these are a priori machines with a large radius of action. cars, they have a lot of them.In Soviet times, the army said what it needed, and now the generals accept what they are ordered.For example, Last year, the Commander-in-Chief of the Aerospace Forces said that the T-50 would be bought a little, he had problems, etc. A month later, he says that the T-50 meets all the stated requirements of the demand niyam, although there were no engines of the second stage yet and the car had problems with strength characteristics. In general, our military budget is being cut, while VEB and other banks are swallowing tens of billions of rubles. The MiG-35 is good, it has lost 500 kg., But in terms of avionics, they can castrate radar (instead of AFAR, a slot will be stuck, and this is already a fly in the ointment, in a barrel of honey). An interesting tendency is observed, on our website in the article MiG-29 SMT they called the MiG-29 M / M2 (although you will never assemble the second on the assembly line of the first, there are huge design changes), and the MiG-29M / M2, they began to call the MiG- 35, I think this is no coincidence. Here is a video of the MiG-29M / M2, tail number 747, and the MiG-35 has already been written on it.
      1. Genry
        Genry 9 June 2016 22: 46
        0
        Quote: Pushkar77
        and the MiG-29M / M2, they began to call the MiG-35, I think this is not accidental. Here is the video of the MiG-29M / M2, tail number 747, and the MiG-35 was already written on it.

        In the video. Engines, it is immediately obvious, others do not smoke.
        The gills and covers of the air intakes seem to be removed (basing on unpaved airfields is not supposed).
        Already not the 29th, but not yet the 35th.
        1. Skifotavr
          Skifotavr 10 June 2016 10: 20
          0
          Quote: Genry
          The gills and covers of the air intakes seem to be removed (basing on unpaved airfields is not supposed).
          Already not the 29th, but not yet the 35th.

          What you wrote about are the characteristic features of all the MiG-29M and MiG-35. The fact is that the MiG-29M has a different fuselage and modernized engines with a smokeless afterburner, in contrast to several modifications made during the USSR MiG-29 - they are similar only in appearance. The MiG-29M as well as the Su-27M were supposed to be launched into the series back under the USSR as a transitional link from the fourth to the fifth generation, but did not have time. It is the fuselage of the MiG-29M with everything else that was taken as the basis for the creation of the MiG-35, although its filling was largely redesigned and this process continues, but the prospects are not clear. It’s also a pity that work is not going on to further modernize the engine for it, which is already outdated by the end of the 80s.
  3. Teberii
    Teberii 9 June 2016 17: 20
    0
    The quicker the better. There must be a variety in means of armed struggle.
  4. Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 9 June 2016 17: 20
    +1
    Not a specialist myself, I ask the help of professionals. So much money is spent on R&D and stuff ... And all for the sake of a series of TOTAL 37 devices ??? what I guess I don’t understand something ... And the bird is beautiful !!!
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 9 June 2016 17: 56
      +2
      Quote: Veteran's grandson
      Not a specialist myself, I ask the help of professionals. So much money is spent on research and development and so on ... And all for the sake of a series of TOTAL 37 devices ??? I guess I don’t understand something ...



      Um ... It is unlikely that anyone will answer you ... And not because of the degree of secrecy ... This thing is so vague that even on a general scale it is difficult to determine ...

      Who in the know is likely to confirm my opinion ...
    2. megafair
      megafair 9 June 2016 18: 02
      0
      Quote: Grandson of Veteran
      Not a specialist myself, I ask the help of professionals. So much money is spent on R&D and stuff ... And all for the sake of a series of TOTAL 37 devices ???
      Contracts for state defense orders are signed for parties intended for a specific base. They ordered 37 to put in some thread of the military unit, let’s say in Krasnodar, then they will sign another party for the Far East of military unit No. ... etc. - in batches.
    3. mav1971
      mav1971 9 June 2016 20: 42
      +1
      Quote: Grandson of Veteran
      Not a specialist myself, I ask the help of professionals. So much money is spent on R&D and stuff ... And all for the sake of a series of TOTAL 37 devices ??? what I guess I don’t understand something ... And the bird is beautiful !!!


      3 billion dollars were spent on the development and production of all 2.1's of the first batch of a new modification of the Gripen-E. Those. some may calculate 700 million dollars per plane.
    4. Genry
      Genry 9 June 2016 22: 59
      0
      Quote: Veteran's grandson
      So much money is spent on research and development and so on ... And all for the sake of a series of TOTAL 37 devices ??

      There is a very thorough backlog, you just need to put everything together. Therefore, the tests will be very short.
      And an order for 37 is very bold for the first series. Then there will be comments and improvements. Plus electronics engineers come up with something new every day.
  5. Thunderbolt
    Thunderbolt 9 June 2016 17: 21
    +2
    with a slight delay from the schedule due to the fault of cooperative enterprises delaying the supply of components
    Surely microelectronics and the whole thing is in the radar. All industries are moaning from these chips.
    1. Genry
      Genry 10 June 2016 00: 28
      0
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      Surely microelectronics and the whole thing is in the radar. All industries are moaning from these chips.

      The radar is still unfinished.
      But in the last couple of years, fundamental theoretical changes have occurred in this area.
      Photonics got out ... And PAK-FA will be tormented (radically modify) ...
  6. RUSS
    RUSS 9 June 2016 17: 23
    -6
    The car is good, but loses to the same Rafal in combat radius and combat load ....
    1. dvina71
      dvina71 9 June 2016 17: 40
      +6
      Quote: RUSS
      but loses to the same Rafal in combat radius and combat load.

      Already measured. Rafal is 1370 km with three PTBs, the MIG-29 has 700 km without PTB. And with two PTBs it is more than Rafal. The maximum take-off weight of Rafal is almost 25 tons, the Miga has a little more than 18 tons.
      So Rafal must be compared with the Su-27 .. which has a maximum take-off weight of 30 tons.
      But then for him, everything is completely sour.
      1. Andrey Sukharev
        Andrey Sukharev 9 June 2016 18: 49
        0
        Interesting, and where did they measure it? Journal and newspaper TTXs are often very different from real ones.
        1. dvina71
          dvina71 9 June 2016 20: 27
          +2
          Quote: Andrey Sukharev
          Journal and newspaper TTXs are often very different from real ones.

          Are you apparently a humanist?
          Then I explain. It is theoretically possible to calculate the consumption of any vehicle / aircraft driven by a heat engine ... with a small error.
          To do this, you need to know:
          Specific Fuel Consumption (Gram kW / h)
          Maximum speed
          Maximum power.
          Divide the maximum speed by maximum power (km / h)
          Next, we multiply the URT by the obtained one and get the specific consumption for this speed. (Gram / km)
          Divide the amount of fuel in the tank by consumption and get the mileage (km).
          And so it can be done for any speed.
          Logarithm this function and get very accurate results for flying at different speeds.
          1. Genry
            Genry 9 June 2016 23: 29
            0
            Quote: dvina71
            Logarithm this function and get very accurate results for flying at different speeds.

            And can we differentiate? Missing data cannot be logarithmed! wassat (Ohhh!)
            But seriously, at maximum speed, fuel consumption is prohibitively and little connected with cruising speed.
            Although in physics, doubling the speed requires a quadruple of engine power, but quadrupling the power for a jet engine is probably a tenfold or more increase in fuel consumption.
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 9 June 2016 23: 44
              0
              Quote: Genry
              And can we differentiate?

              Yeah .. differentiable. Parallel to the daughter explained the logarithms .. it happens.
              No, you're wrong. Maximum speed is ALWAYS achieved at maximum power. The relationship is linear.
              And where does the cruising speed? There was no talk of her at all. And the maximum speed is connected with any other - specific fuel consumption. It is just that at different speeds different power is required and therefore the fuel consumption will differ.
    2. Stas157
      Stas157 9 June 2016 18: 50
      +5
      Quote: RUSS
      The car is good, but loses to the same Rafal in combat radius and combat load ....

      The car is great! The combat radius of the Mig-35 is about 1000 km, it’s definitely not less than Rafal without the PTB, and more than the F-22!
  7. Rokossovsky
    Rokossovsky 9 June 2016 17: 26
    +12
    Quote: Vladimirets
    "earlier it was planned to purchase 37 aircraft"

    Is it light, then, front-line fighter? Crumbs. No.

    Not much ... But you hang on there! You all the best, good mood, good health. wassat
    1. PHANTOM-AS
      PHANTOM-AS 9 June 2016 17: 28
      +3
      Quote: Rokossovsky
      Not much ... But you hang on there! You all the best, good mood, good health.

      Thank you, Dmitry Anatolich laughing
  8. 0255
    0255 9 June 2016 17: 29
    +1
    For 3 years I have been reading articles about how the MiG-35 is about to enter the troops. Well, how many of them could be released during this time?
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 9 June 2016 18: 41
      +3
      Three years? As far as I remember, since 2009 he "enters" the troops and still will not enter request
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 9 June 2016 19: 19
      0
      Quote: 0255
      For 3 years I have been reading articles about how the MiG-35 is about to enter the troops. Well, how many of them could be released during this time?

      No, well, the second submarine of the Ash project Kazan has been under construction for 7 years, and sometimes it happens, moreover, the financing is stable and sufficient.
      In Soviet times, cities were built faster than submarines and aircraft ...
  9. bad
    bad 9 June 2016 17: 32
    +2
    KLA: the military will begin to receive MiG-35 aircraft in 2018 g
    ... repeat I slammed the picture to my desktop .. repeat +++ handsome is good .. good
  10. cerbuk6155
    cerbuk6155 9 June 2016 17: 44
    0
    37 cars must be produced for our VKS per year. And so 15-20 years. soldier
  11. weksha50
    weksha50 9 June 2016 17: 46
    +3
    "First you need to make a plane"...

    Getting old ... Wedges ... I don’t understand anything ...

    I have always been in favor of having both light and heavy fighters in the Air Force-VKS ...
    However, the Su-35s didn’t yet equip the troops (I was surprised that they had sent to Syria, and thought - how many houses were left?), And then there’s a conversation about the Mig-35 ...

    And - at the same time - talk about sequestration of the state defense order ...

    No, guys, I’m FOR our Air Force-VKS to be equipped with both the Mig-35 and Su-35 ... However, someone, somewhere and sometime, must still be responsible for the Credibility and Inconfidence information ...

    Sometimes you read the news - and there is a desire ... yeah, ... to the author ...
  12. Arktidianets
    Arktidianets 9 June 2016 18: 04
    0
    And they are needed now
  13. 31rus2
    31rus2 9 June 2016 18: 14
    0
    This order is transferred from year to year, the car is wet with a bunch of childhood diseases, it’s not a fact that there will be another order, if they will even begin to deliver. In this particular case, the MO is ready to purchase, only a well-developed airplane, not promises
    1. fzr1000
      fzr1000 9 June 2016 22: 47
      +1
      What is raw and what are childhood diseases?
  14. KCA
    KCA 9 June 2016 18: 35
    +2
    My personal opinion is that a batch of 37 is being made to replace the old MIG-29s and for advertising, most likely 35 will be exported, and something new is being prepared as a front-line for the VKS
  15. tinibar
    tinibar 9 June 2016 18: 47
    0
    Quote: Vladimirets
    "earlier it was planned to purchase 37 aircraft"

    Is it light, then, front-line fighter? Crumbs. No.

    I think this is the first batch, and then according to the results of operation ... I’ll like it - they will still order!
    1. vv3
      vv3 9 June 2016 22: 26
      -1
      These are not your words, but the MIG-35 is, firstly, not easy, but medium and secondly, not front-line. This is for the tasks that you think of front-line, but not front-line in radius, and in general, the main problem is the engine and the real combat radius. It is with these characteristics that there is complete disagreement and some kind of stealth. The MIG-29 was called aircraft gaining superiority over long-distance drive and this its was a major flaw. We need a new economical modern engine and a real increase in fuel supply. You can tell tales, but Rafal has a better engine ...
      1. Genry
        Genry 9 June 2016 23: 52
        0
        Quote: vv3
        MIG-35 is firstly not easy, but medium and secondly, not front-line.

        And who is your lung? You came up with an unknown type ...
        Not front-line, but which one? Can he gain air superiority over enemy territory and accompany bombers? Does he have electronic warfare and self-defense (except heat traps) from enemy air defense?
        That is why it is also front-line, because it cannot fly for a long time and far from its territory. But this is not inferiority - it is a destination.
  16. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 June 2016 18: 48
    -3
    Maybe I'm wrong of course, but modern air war does not at all resemble the air battles of the Second World War, when they fought from singles and units to air divisions. This is not even a period of war in Vietnam, where they also fought in batches. Now you don’t always see the enemy visually, and one front squadron guards up to 800-900 km wide. Therefore, hundreds and thousands of aircraft are simply not needed.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 9 June 2016 19: 27
      -1
      Well, what kind of mongrel is minus, respond.
      1. Genry
        Genry 10 June 2016 00: 15
        -1
        Quote: Ros 56
        Well, what kind of mongrel is minus, respond.

        That's what I minus!
        1. Ros 56
          Ros 56 10 June 2016 06: 56
          0
          Quote: Genry
          That's what I minus!


          Do you speak Russian well? It is not necessary to express your thoughts so miserably, if you write "for this", I would like to know what exactly. In terms of literature at school, what they had, it seems to me, is no more than three. hi
  17. APASUS
    APASUS 9 June 2016 18: 52
    0
    Does Pogasyan seem to flood MIG?
    Yes, and 37 machines for the Air Force is very small, for a start it was necessary to consider at least 100 pieces
    1. Wiruz
      Wiruz 9 June 2016 19: 13
      0
      Pogasyan was removed in the past or even the year before last
    2. Genry
      Genry 10 June 2016 00: 23
      0
      Throw away the old training manual!
      Poghosyan, consider, in recent years, he has raised all of Russian aviation. New materials, technologies, design methods, certification, foreign experience ... He collected all this for himself, but for everyone.
      1. APASUS
        APASUS 10 June 2016 17: 39
        0
        Quote: Genry
        Throw away the old training manual!
        Poghosyan, consider, in recent years, he has raised all of Russian aviation. New materials, technologies, design methods, certification, foreign experience ... He collected all this for himself, but for everyone.

        Stop writing laudatory odes, at first I would gather information.
        In the Air Force, there has been a bias towards heavy fighters, does this seem to be unknown to you? For example, escorting columns with a heavy fighter, that they hammer in nails with a microscope. Or take Pogosyan’s statement that they plan to produce a light fighter under the SU brand, at the expense of whom do not tell?
  18. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 9 June 2016 18: 57
    +1
    At one time, there were rumors that the MiG will design a 5th generation light fighter, who is working on the topic? Or is it just a rumor.
  19. Nforce
    Nforce 9 June 2016 20: 05
    0


    And now he is on all TV channels.
    While this is going on, little is believed in all of this.
  20. Skubudu
    Skubudu 9 June 2016 21: 52
    0
    To withstand the thousands of inconspicuous F-35s, you still need a stealth fighter.
    T-50 is not enough for everyone.
    If we draw an analogy with tanks, then the MIG-35 is the T-90SM, which will not go to our troops.
  21. Wolka
    Wolka 10 June 2016 05: 36
    0
    slowly, very slowly move comrades
  22. berezin1987
    berezin1987 10 June 2016 11: 24
    0
    Of course, I am not an expert in the field of aviation, but why buy a plane that is ten years old. And why keep such a zoo in the Air Force? What is the scope of the Mig-35? Su-35 is much better in terms of avionics, maneuverable and has higher performance characteristics. The only advantages of the MIG are only the lower cost of flights due to less gluttonous engines and the presence of AFAR. It was not easier to make AFAR for the Su-35s, the bow of which is much larger in diameter. I see the Air Force park as follows:
    Su-35s - the main fighter of gaining dominance in the air, replacing most of the Su-27;
    Su-30cm - multi-role fighter with more efficient work on ground targets, combat training aircraft (replacement of Su-27ub);
    PAK FA T-50 - 5-generation aircraft to work on the tip of the attack;
    Su-34 - fighter-bomber to work mainly on ground targets (replacement of Su-24m and Su-25);
    Mig-31 - a high-speed high-altitude interceptor for combating the Kyrgyz Republic and erupted strategic bombers, can partially take over the functions of guiding other fighters to air targets.
    So I see the composition of front-line aviation.
    As for the Mig-29 (Mig-35), it has long since left the category of light fighters and moved to medium (the mass of the Mig-35 exceeds 20 tons). The main cost of modern aircraft is the cost of avionics, not a glider.