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The project of the main battle tank "Tireks" (Ukraine)

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For well-known reasons, at present, the special attention of specialists and the general public is attracting further development tanks. Announcement News about plans to create one or another project becomes a cause for excitement, and the appearance of a new model can become a real sensation. In recent months, one of the main issues for discussion in the field of armored vehicles is the latest Ukrainian project of the Tirex main tank.

The existence of the new project “Tirex” (T-Rex, short for Tyrannosaurus rex) became known in early April of this year. The Ukrainian edition of Defense Express reported on ongoing work to create a promising main battle tank, which is a deep modernization of one of the existing machines. In the framework of the new project, it is proposed to use some new ideas for Ukrainian tank building that will allow to solve a number of major problems. The development of the project is carried out by the engineering group “Azov”, some of whose employees previously worked at leading defense industry enterprises.

Concept

Tireks fighting vehicle is positioned as a “transitional tank”. The creators of the project assume that the creation and construction of such a machine will help to re-equip the armored forces of Ukraine with new equipment with sufficiently high characteristics, which will be able to perform the assigned tasks before the appearance of tanks with higher characteristics. At the same time, in the new project it is planned to use some ideas and solutions aimed at achieving significant superiority over the existing equipment.


The first published scheme "Tirex." Figure Pro-tank.ru


It is argued that the new project T-Rex has several main objectives. Two of them require immediate solutions for a number of objective reasons, while the third is related to the long-term prospects and future of the army. The first task of the project concerns the rearmament of troops. The authors of the new project believe that the existing armored vehicles - first of all, the main tank of the BM “Oplot” - cannot ensure the renewal of the fleet of combat vehicles due to unacceptably low production rates. As a result, the new Tirex tank should become a replacement for the Oplot in terms of characteristics, and also significantly surpass it in terms of production volumes. All this should lead to the renewal of the material part of the troops.

The second task of the new project concerns the main parameters of the perspective armored vehicle. In terms of cost-effectiveness, the new Tirex should surpass existing tanks, such as Bulat. It is planned to provide advantages in mobility, in fighting qualities at night, etc. at a comparable cost of production. For this, in particular, it is proposed to use new approaches to production for Ukrainian industry, which will compensate for the use of relatively expensive fire control equipment, etc.

The third objective of the project, declared by its developers, is associated with the further development of technology. In the future, on the basis of the new tank, it is planned to develop a full-fledged universal platform, on the basis of which armored vehicles of various classes can be built. Chassis with existing powerplant, chassis, etc., among other things, can be used as the basis for new heavy-duty infantry fighting vehicles. However, while such tasks are attributed to the long term.

According to representatives of the engineering group "Azov", the new T-Rex project does not imply the development of a radically new armored vehicle. Its main task is the deep modernization of the existing T-64 tank with a significant increase in performance. Revolutionary new ideas are supposed to be implemented in the framework of subsequent projects of similar technology. In the meantime, designers are engaged in determining the prospects of an existing project. For example, they found that the current production capabilities of the Ukrainian industry will allow upgrading the T-10 tanks per month to the 64 project, according to the Tirex project.


Tank BM "Oplot". Photo of Wikimedia Commons


It is also alleged that the assembly of a prototype of a new tank will take about six months. Six months after receiving the T-64 tank, the developer organization promises to provide a ready-made prototype Tireksa. Information about the possible transfer of the tank for restructuring the new project is not yet available.

Design

The new Ukrainian project implies a major upgrade of existing tanks through the use of a number of new components. The result of this, according to the authors of the project, should be the optimal combination of characteristics and cost of equipment. In addition, it is possible to reduce the time required for the construction of new tanks, due to the lack of the need to assemble new chassis.

The basis of the Tirex tank is the modified T-64 tank chassis, receiving some new components and assemblies. On the published schemes, it is clear that the body of the base machine must receive a new superstructure, the forehead and sides of which, in addition to their own armor, are closed by dynamic protection systems. Due to the use of such an add-on, the overall contours and proportions of the tank should change significantly. In addition, the rear part of the superstructure should form a pair of large boxes and leave the roof of the engine compartment in a niche.

As follows from the published materials, enhancing the protection of the existing corps is one of the main tasks of the new project. The diagrams show that the frontal and side parts of the tank must be equipped with numerous dynamic protection units. The same means of enhancing protection can be installed on the tower. To use the proposed complex "Doublet" and "Knife" Ukrainian development. For obvious reasons, the aft of the hull, where the engine compartment is located, should be equipped with lattice screens instead of dynamic protection. Interestingly, in later images, the body feed is also equipped with dynamic protection.

It is likely that the use of the hull superstructure is due to the proposed rearrangement of its internal volumes. Behind the inclined frontal parts of the body should be located habitable compartment. The crew of three (driver, commander and gunner) is proposed to be placed in a single armored capsule, providing additional protection against various threats, as well as separating the tank crew from the combat compartment with ammunition.


A later image of a promising tank. Figure Azov.co


In the central part of the Tireks it is proposed to install a tower of the original design. A common feature of many projects of promising tanks, most of them unrealized, is the use of an uninhabited tower with an automated combat compartment. The authors of the new Ukrainian project also propose the use of such a system, given its obvious advantages.

The tower of a prospective tank must be equipped with a reservation of a complex multifaceted structure with a multitude of inclined parts and additional dynamic protection. In the central part of the combat module is placed the main gun, the units of which, apparently, occupy most of the tower. It is proposed to mount a remote-controlled combat module with a large-caliber machine gun on the roof of the aft turret niche. Around the perimeter of the tower, on the cheekbones, sides and aft, several smoke grenade launchers should be placed. The aft part of the tower, shown in the published drawings, receives cutting screens that are also capable of serving as a basket for the property.

The new tank, apparently, must be equipped with a smooth-bore tank gun launcher caliber 125 mm. Such a system will be able to use the full range of compatible ammunition, including combat missiles. In view of the removal of the crew from the combat compartment, the weapon is proposed to be equipped with fully automated guidance and loading systems. So, in a substage basket of the combat module there should be a rotary conveyor with trays for placing projectiles, and it is proposed to match the automatic feed and dismissal of ammunition with the breech of the gun.

Information about the power plant and chassis armored "Tireks" is missing, but it can be assumed that they should be based on the existing design of the T-64 tank. Thus, the chassis can do without any modifications, and one of the new engines of the Ukrainian development can become the basis of the power plant. It is assumed that due to some similar improvements the new tank will differ from the base one with higher mobility.

The most important feature of the T-Rex project is the use of the crew’s armored capsule, which places special demands on the instrumentation of the armored vehicle. To control the situation, driving, searching and attacking targets, as well as to solve a number of other tasks, the crew needs appropriate systems. Thus, the combat module must be equipped with sighting devices with the possibility of transmitting the video signal to the screens in the crew capsule. In addition, appropriate equipment is required for crew jobs. To improve the overall fighting qualities, it is also necessary to apply a new fire control system.


The chassis of the tank. Figure Azov.co


In the proposed form, the Tireks main battle tank should have a length of 6,57 m (9,225 m with a cannon), a width of 3,56 m and a height on the roof of the 2,5 tower m. The combat weight is determined at the level of 39 t. Running characteristics are not specified, but it is stated that they will be higher than the base T-64.

Prospects

Published data on the Tirex project, as well as images of a promising tank, remind us of the latest Russian development, the T-14 armored vehicle based on the Armata platform. In the new Ukrainian project it is proposed to use a number of ideas and solutions already embodied in the metal in the form of a number of prototypes of a Russian tank. Given the time difference between the two projects, there may be some suspicion. On the other hand, one should not forget that such ideas appeared and were worked out several decades ago, but until recently they could not claim practical application.

As a basis for the new tank, it is proposed to use the available machines of the T-64 family. A similar approach to the creation of new armored vehicles was already used by the Ukrainian military industry and led to the emergence of several projects. In addition, there was a mass production of such equipment with the subsequent delivery to the troops. In practice, it was confirmed that the use of new devices of various types allows to a certain extent to improve the characteristics of existing tanks.

There are certain questions about the possibility of implementing those or other ideas proposed in the Tirex project. So, to create a uninhabited fighting compartment with a remote control from the crew’s armored capsule, it is required to develop and integrate a variety of electronic systems into the design of the tank. The ability to perform such a task can be a cause for serious doubt. At the same time, the development of automatic charging is unlikely to face serious difficulties: similar systems were developed half a century ago for T-64 tanks.

A separate serious issue is the arming of the new tank. As follows from the available materials, the T-Rex should carry an 125-mm smooth-bore weapon. The production of 2А46 guns, which are the standard armament of Soviet and Russian main tanks, is still conducted in Russia, but such systems are not supplied to Ukraine. In the late nineties, the Ukrainian industry tried to create its own version of such a gun called KBA-3. A number of design problems were successfully solved, but the resource of new products left much to be desired. Even improved prototypes can not withstand more than 250-260 shots sabot projectiles. For comparison, the chrome-plated barrel of 2А46М guns of later modifications withstands 1200 conditional shots.

Such a situation could seriously affect the combat capability of promising tanks. Insufficient barrels life will require their regular replacement, which will increase the cost of operation, and will also have some other negative consequences. The solution to this problem in the context of the release of new weapons at the moment looks extremely difficult, if at all possible. The use of existing tools with the remaining resources, dismantled from other tanks, also does not look like an acceptable solution. Thus, in the foreseeable future, the Tireks tank will not be able to get the main armament with high performance characteristics.


The main elements of the machine: chassis, armored capsule and tower. Figure Azov.co


As practice shows, the Ukrainian industry is able to rebuild T-64 tanks for new projects with some improvement in their characteristics. Nevertheless, the new project “Tirex” implies a significant change in the design of the basic machine and the use of the mass of new components and assemblies. It is obvious that the use of new devices, primarily electronics, requires the development or, at a minimum, the procurement of such tools. However, as far as we know, no breakthroughs in the Ukrainian industry in this area are yet expected, and foreign developers are unlikely to be interested in possible cooperation with it.

As a result, a promising project can now face a lot of problems that hinder not only the production of finished equipment, but also hinder the completion of the design. At the current design stage, the authors of “Tirex” need not only to formulate the main tasks and identify common ways to solve them, but also to perform a lot of other work on the selection of components, assembly of units, etc. Without all this, the project can hardly have real prospects. In this case, however, the completion of the development could already face certain problems.

The general state of the Ukrainian military industry, weakened by the country's economic problems, the lack of a mass of important developments and a number of other factors of a technical, technological, administrative and corruption nature can lead to the fact that the T-Rex project, and with it the other developments of the Azov engineering group will remain on paper. At the same time, it cannot be excluded that this organization will still be able to build a prototype of an armored vehicle, or at least a full-scale model. However, the mass serial restructuring of existing tanks T-64 can not speak.

According to reports, at present, the T-64 T-X main battle tank project exists in the form of a set of design documentation, as well as several demonstration images. A prototype of a new armored vehicle does not yet exist, and there is no information about its assembly. It is reported that the Ministry of Defense of Ukraine has shown interest in the development of the "Azov" group, but so far it has not led to any real action to support the new projects.

As a result, at the moment the Tirex project raises a lot of questions, most of which remain unanswered. In addition, these questions lead us to doubt the possibility of completing the development, construction of an experienced tank, and, moreover, the start of a full-scale serial assembly of new technology. The T-Rex project risks remaining “on paper” and in the form of several schematic drawings. Too many objective factors prevent him from reaching the assembly shop and in fact puts an end to his prospects.


On the materials of the sites:
http://azov.co/
http://arms-expo.ru/
http://pro-tank.ru/
http://tvzvezda.ru/
http://armor.kiev.ua/
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  1. pts-m
    pts-m 10 June 2016 06: 49
    +14
    The Kakhlov, as always, want to make candy out of .ovna. Forgetting that remaking is more expensive than issuing calculated and built from scratch equipment. As they say ... Avaricious pays twice ...
    1. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 10 June 2016 07: 44
      +9
      Manilov nervously smokes aside ..
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 10 June 2016 10: 08
        +12
        The project of the main battle tank "Tireks" (Ukraine)

        laughing laughing laughing Please do not write such funny headlines!
        In Banderstat there is the most modern tank of the present (Banderstat) T-72 of Soviet production! Which they regularly repaint and weight with all sorts of scrap metal. And each time they call it in a new way! lol
        1. Astrey
          Astrey 14 June 2016 20: 32
          +1
          Quote: GSH-18
          such funny headlines


          The "development" received the most large-scale result at VO, in an article by Kirill Ryabov.
          Disinformation in the cube.
    2. Imperialkolorad
      Imperialkolorad 10 June 2016 07: 57
      +9
      Quote: PTS-m
      .Miser pays twice...

      And stupid three times.
      1. i80186
        i80186 10 June 2016 09: 02
        +43
        Well, okay, I found another concept here. It is urgent to transfer the "basics" to the engineering group. No, but what? I think they can build it with the same success, based on Mriya for example. No wonder the pig promised to build another one, so it's better to let it be built. laughing
        1. Ezhaak
          Ezhaak 10 June 2016 14: 01
          +3
          Quote: i80186
          urgently transfer to the engineering group "the basics"

          This, only for the money! Otherwise, they will give out for their development.
        2. AFHENOGEN
          AFHENOGEN 10 June 2016 14: 08
          +3
          So it remains to modify the t-64 with a file.
        3. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 10 June 2016 18: 57
          +2
          Quote: i80186
          I think they can build it with the same success, on the basis of Mriya for example.

          If they build a second Mriya (which I doubt), then it will be 90% foreign aircraft. Avionics, electronics, engines.
          And most importantly, what's the point? The world’s needs for an airplane like An-225, from the strength of 2-3 aircraft, well, a maximum of 5. A lot of money needs to be invested in the resumption of production, they will not pay off in 100 years.
          By the way, not a single airline has sold the cargo modification of the A380 (cargo capacity of the A380 is 150 tons).
          1. Skifotavr
            Skifotavr 11 June 2016 00: 25
            +1
            Brown Maltzman saw the second Mriya when a squirrel came to him.
          2. Aviator_
            Aviator_ 11 June 2016 22: 56
            +1
            "Mriya" was built in Tashkent, there are still several center sections (the central part of the wing) along the walls for more than a quarter of a century. And these center sections were made in Ulyanovsk.
          3. Orionvit
            Orionvit 22 June 2016 15: 01
            +2
            They won't build anything. Tanks that are and will play a little bit. There will be no new ones. For example, the plant them. Malyshev cannot make large-diameter gears for transmission by himself, 15 years ago, he ordered them for Motor Sich. And so in everything. About "Mriya" I generally keep quiet. I liked the wording about "Ukrainian tank building". Tank building there is only old Soviet, and Ukraine has successfully destroyed it.
        4. 9lvariag
          9lvariag 2 July 2016 19: 35
          +1
          Quote: i80186
          Well, okay, I found another concept here. It is urgent to transfer the "basics" to the engineering group. No, but what? I think they can build it with the same success, based on Mriya for example. No wonder the pig promised to build another one, so it's better to let it be built. laughing

          Dear, you would put it on [email protected] he banned me. there is such a searchlight Andrey "Bronehead" (Armored) Tarasenka. He sat @ al on the entire paraley.ru forum, with his delusional materials on the MBT "Rebel # and" Mlot ".
      2. sso-xnumx
        sso-xnumx 10 June 2016 09: 03
        +2
        Quote: ImperialKolorad
        And stupid three times.

        That's how they need it! 1/3 Min defense, 1/3 developer directorate, 1/3 parashenka and the rest for the production of wunderwafe. And everyone will be "happy"!
      3. DanSabaka
        DanSabaka 10 June 2016 09: 05
        +17
        Here is just for the stupid, I have 3 questions on TiReksu:
        - Why, with an uninhabited tower, an injector on the barrel?
        - How tall should the tankers be to fit in three (!) In the bow of the T-64, especially taking into account the "armored capsule" being created, is there even now that 1 mechanized drive is too tight?
        - And where will the equipment (battery and additional ammunition, if I am not mistaken) located now in the bow of the T-64 be transferred?
        1. i80186
          i80186 10 June 2016 09: 09
          +18
          Quote: DanSabaka
          - Why, with an uninhabited tower, an injector on the barrel?

          There are no other trunks and is not expected, only the old ones.
          Quote: DanSabaka
          Here is just for the stupid, I have 3 questions on TiReksu:
          - How tall should the tankers be to fit in three (!) In the bow of the T-64, especially taking into account the "armored capsule" being created, is there even now that 1 mechanized drive is too tight?
          now in the bow of the T-64?

          Fighting dwarfs, you can find at least three of them on an independent one.
          Quote: DanSabaka
          - And where will the equipment (battery and additional ammunition, if I am not mistaken) located now in the bow of the T-64 be transferred?

          The trailer, well, the cart in general, it just is not shown in the figure. And there, in the face, are also tanks.
          1. DanSabaka
            DanSabaka 10 June 2016 22: 06
            +1
            are there also tanks in the face? and in the Tirex they will have the evil Ibaki instead ..... laughing
        2. Forest
          Forest 10 June 2016 09: 31
          +7
          1) Without the ejector, guns in the USSR were not made on 64.
          2) They will fit in growth - they made the case higher, but in width - hardly.
          3) The hull was lengthened, the non-mechanized warhead was removed, there is no one to charge anyway.
        3. region58
          region58 10 June 2016 12: 30
          +18
          Quote: DanSabaka
          How tall should tankmen be?

        4. Comrade Bender
          Comrade Bender 10 June 2016 16: 54
          +3
          Maybe they should take the T-34 base as a basis? There will be no problems with free space.
        5. Sharky
          Sharky 11 June 2016 08: 42
          +1
          1. An injector on the barrel to mislead the enemy. The enemy will think that the tower is inhabited and aims at it. laughing
          2. One can be placed across the tank across the floor, and two tankers can be seated on top and saved on seats. wassat
          3. A battery will be put in the feed niches over the MTO, but ammunition is not needed, it will only be in mechanized laying under the tower.
      4. Pereira
        Pereira 10 June 2016 09: 24
        +5
        These ukrokomiks generally funny to seriously discuss.
      5. Riv
        Riv 10 June 2016 09: 34
        +5
        When a crest was born, mean and stupid hanged themselves.
      6. T-130
        T-130 20 November 2016 08: 26
        0
        A sucker always pays! And orientation to the West to the detriment of one’s own interests shows who is who!
    3. Bronis
      Bronis 10 June 2016 09: 09
      +21
      Quote: PTS-m

      TCP-M (5) Today, 06: 49 New
      The Kakhlov, as always, want to make candy out of .ovna. Forgetting that remaking is more expensive than issuing calculated and built from scratch equipment. As they say ... Avaricious pays twice ...

      oh well ... I no longer liked the tank, but the symbolism of the Azov engineering group ... against the background of a completely unambiguous variation of the "dark sun" we see the "flying tarekla" of the Third Reich ... Hanebu 2 ... madness ...

      so ... a promising group ... waiting for an interdimensional hyperwarp airship
      1. pigkiller
        pigkiller 10 June 2016 17: 42
        +3
        It looks like an infernal banderlog cargo cult dedicated to the III Reich.
        They seriously consider themselves the heirs of SS and Ahnenerbe, Facebook heroes.
      2. 9lvariag
        9lvariag 2 July 2016 19: 39
        0
        Quote: Bronis
        Quote: PTS-m

        TCP-M (5) Today, 06: 49 New
        The Kakhlov, as always, want to make candy out of .ovna. Forgetting that remaking is more expensive than issuing calculated and built from scratch equipment. As they say ... Avaricious pays twice ...

        oh well ... I no longer liked the tank, but the symbolism of the Azov engineering group ... against the background of a completely unambiguous variation of the "dark sun" we see the "flying tarekla" of the Third Reich ... Hanebu 2 ... madness ...

        so ... a promising group ... waiting for an interdimensional hyperwarp airship
        I'll tell you something else, this detachment is firmly associated with the name "Azov Distillery - Vodka Factory." And vodka "Azovchanka" (that subtly they drew BMT "Azovets") and "Tunguska meteorite" (that still liquor-Shissi. I drank and you are hanging out like a meteorite)!
        Got the hint? And without their moronic emblems. :)
    4. Skifotavr
      Skifotavr 11 June 2016 00: 20
      +1
      Quote: PTS-m
      The Kakhlov, as always, want to make candy out of .ovna
      To be honest, I have no idea what the "Azov engineering group" is, but quite recently it was not kakly who worked at the Morozov design bureau and at the tank factory in Kharkov, but Russians. Ask your parents - maybe they will explain it to you, if interested.
    5. vkl.47
      vkl.47 14 November 2016 09: 35
      0
      project? paper will endure
  2. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 10 June 2016 06: 59
    +25
    It may be enough to show pictures that will never be realized in metal. Any fool understands that Ukraine from the USSR inherited a very developed advanced industry and trained teams of workers and engineers. Naturally, there were serious developments for the future. Given the current complete liquidation of the industry that began there, enterprises cling to the last thread, rolling out this information to journalists, in the hope that those in power will peck and reason. Naive, spit on them. They will grab money and dump it in South America. And from the State Department only one can be expected, a team for the complete destruction of Ukrainian industry.
    1. Alekseev
      Alekseev 10 June 2016 08: 28
      +5
      Quote: sergeyzzz
      it is clear that Ukraine from the USSR inherited a very developed advanced industry and trained collectives of workers and engineers.

      Ukraine got a lot of things from the USSR, but ... as nearly a quarter of a century they’re falling apart!
      And to draw pictures is not a technology to build ...
      Even the production of normal rollers instead of 64 tunnels has not been established, but the pictures are drawn ... But the 64-way chassis for the greater mass must be radically redone.
      The idea is amusing: they say the Oplot industry cannot produce a normal series (and how can it be? T-80UD of the Soviet stock for conversion into Oploty endedrequest), and, they say, a new car, at least in the drawings such, she can.
      Kraina is not frightened ...
  3. Kos_kalinki9
    Kos_kalinki9 10 June 2016 07: 21
    +12
    Why trifle then. You can planes, armored personnel carriers and other, other, other. Azovites, I give the idea for free, as you like - for free
  4. Igor39
    Igor39 10 June 2016 07: 22
    +38
    Engineering group "Azov" and Armata, united by one, uninhabited tower laughing
    1. SeregaBoss
      SeregaBoss 10 June 2016 11: 57
      +2
      To the point Igor! To the point, you know, Igor! laughing
    2. Andrey Sukharev
      Andrey Sukharev 11 June 2016 12: 16
      +2
      The most accurate and vivid characteristic of the ukrodurdom! Thank you, smiled from the heart!
  5. alex-712
    alex-712 10 June 2016 07: 23
    +5
    Yes, where there are 10 tanks per month))) I think there is not enough money to live, and they are going to update the tank fleet.
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 10 June 2016 07: 32
    +26
    I’m not a tanker, but tell me, people are kind, as in the existing dimension of the T-64 control compartment, where one mechanic driver sits, you can cram three, surround them with a capsule, surround them with controls (all this in the previous dimensions), and still not get out beyond the mass in xnumx tons? Our upgraded tanks already weigh in the 40 area, and will this monster be lighter, but better protected? Yes, and the height does not go beyond the same T-46, despite the fact that there will be a bunch of any mounted, remotely controlled module of the anti-aircraft machine gun, but differently different?
    Along the way, at the Lviv landfill, the fire reached someone's cache of hemp, the smoke from it covered the "Dung" engineering group.
    1. sso-xnumx
      sso-xnumx 10 June 2016 09: 07
      +7
      Quote: inkass_98
      So in the existing dimension of the T-64 control compartment, where one mechanical drive sits, three can be crammed,

      So these are Ukrainian soldiers! And they are perfectly compressed in volume, especially if they are ATO disabled (no legs, already saving), and for targeting one eye and one hand is enough .....
      1. lovely
        lovely 10 June 2016 11: 38
        0
        do not touch, disabled warriors, although they are enemies, but still people. Even fooled.
      2. lovely
        lovely 10 June 2016 11: 38
        +2
        do not touch, disabled warriors, although they are enemies, but still people. Even fooled.
    2. Performance
      Performance 10 June 2016 11: 48
      +5
      Remember the tale "Greedy Vartan" ??? - and so this is the Ukrainian analogue, where as many caps as you like will be sewn from one skin of a Soviet tank.
    3. Reserve officer
      Reserve officer 10 June 2016 14: 49
      +6
      Yuri, 40 tons is the maximum. Otherwise, few tanks will fit into the new "Mriya", and Ukraine will still capture the Urals and Siberia ...
  7. Wild Hunt
    Wild Hunt 10 June 2016 07: 39
    +8
    Is this the same tank from garbage containers? Imagine that each trash can is a potential tank and an ambush Ukrainian is monitoring the combat situation. good
    1. Pereira
      Pereira 10 June 2016 09: 22
      +1
      No, this is ukrovoyaka hiding in a garbage can. And no more.
  8. Doomph
    Doomph 10 June 2016 07: 46
    +6
    My 6-year-old son can draw like that too. At home there are so many "sets of design documentation" that I don't have time to buy beer and fish))).
  9. Aleksandr72
    Aleksandr72 10 June 2016 07: 51
    +18
    To repeat the idea of ​​"Armata" by installing an "uninhabited" tower on the body of an old T-64, and even before the heap stick electronics from Chinese toys and intercoms into it - this is the current level of the armored industry of Nezalezhnaya. The years of independence have not passed in vain. You read this and you feel ashamed of the Kharkiv citizens. To what have both the largest enterprises of the tank industry in Ukraine brought them: State Enterprise "KMDB named after A.A. Morozov "and SE" Plant named after V.А. Malyshev ”, which several decades ago really had a colossal technological backlog, a lot of promising solutions in the field of armored vehicles. Now what? It is not enough for them to shame with BM "Oplot", so they have also undertaken to "catch up and overtake" Russia and its T-14 "Armata".
    Even if a miracle happens and in the country 404 will be able to establish mass production of this wunderwafe called "Tirex", this will still not help the Ukrainian panzerwaffe. You can make an uninhabited turret near the tank, but what can you do with the "uninhabited turrets" of the tankers themselves?
    1. Ingvar 72
      Ingvar 72 10 June 2016 09: 19
      0
      Quote: Aleksandr72
      Repeat the idea of ​​"Armata"

      To be honest, not "Armata", but the Soviet development "object 195". "Armata" was made on the basis of precisely these developments. request
      But sculpting all this on the basis of the T-64 is certainly nonsense. hi
      1. Aleksandr72
        Aleksandr72 10 June 2016 11: 02
        +10
        If we are talking about the same tank, then the "Object 195" (aka T-95), strictly speaking, was not a Soviet development. Yes, work on it began back in 1990 in the Soviet Union. But the development of this tank, one way or another, was carried out in the design bureau of the UKBTM in Nizhny Tagil in the 90s and until 2010 (when the first private display of this tank was allegedly held at the exhibition "Defense and Protection - 2010"). There was a very controversial article about this tank on VO in 2013 with a bunch of photographs that depict far from the same tank. If you are interested, here is the link: http://topwar.ru/2972-obekt-195-t-95.html.
        In principle, we can say that the T-14 "Armata" is in a sense a development of this concept.
        However, saying that the Ukrainians repeated the idea of ​​"Armata" in their "Tirex" (is it not a "talking" and pretentious name), I meant first of all that the development of their car in Kharkov was undertaken only after the show of "Armata" at the parade in Moscow in 2015 and messages (fake, of course, like almost everything like that in the media're coming out) about the destruction of "Armata" during the ATO (undeclared war in Donbas). For some reason, before that, the idea of ​​a tank with an "uninhabited" tower did not come to the heads of the designers from Kharkov - apparently they "did not know" about the "object 195" this is irony smile). I had no idea that their "towers" were also uninhabited. It is necessary to think of it - to cut it out of the old T-64, the entire modernization stock of which has long been exhausted. Apparently in Ukraine there are simply no other tanks left in storage, of which at least something can be made. And the T-64 was full there, in varying degrees of disassembly and deterioration. Sincerely. hi
  10. nrex
    nrex 10 June 2016 07: 52
    +3
    Send it to Donbass, we will check it with "Cornet".
  11. bandabas
    bandabas 10 June 2016 08: 14
    +3
    According to some versions of paleontologists, judging by the structure of the body (in particular, the small forelegs), tyrannosaurs were scavengers.
    1. Engineer
      Engineer 10 June 2016 08: 32
      +2
      Well, then allosaurs, spinosaurs, all kinds of small velociraptors, following this logic - scavengers. But why should the scavenger be of such a size that it feeds on the fall, which is already full of freeloaders when fresh carcasses of all kinds of herbivores go around?
      1. bandabas
        bandabas 10 June 2016 14: 12
        +1
        I gave one of the arguments. And there are a whole bunch of them. And in the same velociraptors, allosaurs, the front limbs are very well developed, not talking about the hind ones. Run fast, tear and grab. It is the hunters. And to have a full mouth of teeth with such a carcass ... And when hunting to demolish half of the Jurassic Park?
  12. Engineer
    Engineer 10 June 2016 08: 25
    +5
    What nonsense! What are all worn with this project? The Morozovites did not pull such a tank under the Union, but here some home-grown engineers of the fascist battalion gathered to outstrip Armata. Not funny yourself?
  13. brom
    brom 10 June 2016 08: 43
    +17
    And it will turn out as always.
    1. pensioneree
      pensioneree 10 June 2016 17: 35
      +1
      DEAR! Well, where did you get it? I want the same.
  14. Wolka
    Wolka 10 June 2016 08: 48
    +1
    wanting does not mean being able ...
  15. Uncle Murzik
    Uncle Murzik 10 June 2016 08: 54
    +1
    riches rich! belay
  16. Monarchist
    Monarchist 10 June 2016 09: 08
    +4
    As I remember after the premiere of "Armata", independent specialists were chasing T14, and now I decided to repeat the idea. They already have a bunch of bulletproof animals: Bulat, Oplot, Dozor, Kozak and how else to call their waffles, and now Tirex. Deserved five for imagination
  17. the47th
    the47th 10 June 2016 09: 10
    +3
    The authors of the new project believe that the existing armored vehicles - first of all, the main tank of the BM “Oplot” - cannot ensure the renewal of the fleet of combat vehicles due to unacceptably low production rates. As a result, the new Tirex tank should become a replacement for the Oplot in terms of characteristics, and also significantly surpass it in terms of production volumes.

    They did not manage to assemble 54 "Oplot", and the "promising tank" will be riveted in hundreds. Well done! Stocking up on popcorn and waiting for a prototype.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 10 June 2016 11: 37
      +1
      They will do a prototype, but it will most likely remain in a single copy.
      1. yehat
        yehat 10 June 2016 14: 45
        +1
        the main thing is not this, but the means mastered by the heroes! laughing
  18. Yurmix
    Yurmix 10 June 2016 09: 10
    +1
    Quote: inkass_98
    Along the way, at the Lviv landfill, the fire reached someone's cache of hemp, the smoke from it covered the "Dung" engineering group.

    laughing good
  19. salavat
    salavat 10 June 2016 09: 35
    +2
    It is very promising for ukrov, the whole country has a "uninhabited tower" which means it should be in the tank.
  20. Lekov L
    Lekov L 10 June 2016 09: 53
    +5
    The authors of the new project believe that the existing armored vehicles - first of all, the main tank of the BM “Oplot” - cannot ensure the renewal of the fleet of combat vehicles due to unacceptably low production rates. As a result, the new Tirex tank should become a replacement for the Oplot in terms of characteristics, and also significantly surpass it in terms of production volumes.

    The authors of the project in the remnants of the engineering brain seem to have matured sound thoughts:
    - bases for "Oplotov" are over;
    - tank guns new take nowhere;
    - New buildings themselves do not build, have forgotten how (remember the scandal with armor on armored personnel carriers);
    - there is a certain amount of recoverable with sufficient zeal for armored scrap - Т64.
    Conclusion - it is necessary to do something for Nenko for pennies. repeat
    There will be a budget - will be picked.
    No - they will not, and they have already done the advertising.

    And then promise does not mean marry
    (C)

    Something like this.
    With respect to colleagues ..
  21. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 June 2016 10: 11
    0
    For all military purposes of Ukraine, "Oplot" and the modernized T-64 are enough for the eyes. With good modernization, following the example of the Georgian T-72 or T-72 for urban combat, tank forces are capable of solving all modern tasks.
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  22. Cruorvult
    Cruorvult 10 June 2016 10: 23
    +2
    HTB was the first to start sawing 477 in the Soviet Union, as a result, they did not get the final product, the Azovets carriage was sawed out for almost a year, and then once and in half a year they promise to create:
  23. Petrik66
    Petrik66 10 June 2016 10: 36
    +1
    Yes, God bless them - the wretched. Clinton will order to transfer them from the storage of Abramsa to the hairy years and, together with the Hutsul cavalry on the rams, the Vyshivanka armored brigade will make a breakthrough.
  24. erik cartman
    erik cartman 10 June 2016 10: 54
    +2
    Quote: DanSabaka
    Here is just for the stupid, I have 3 questions on TiReksu:
    - Why, with an uninhabited tower, an injector on the barrel?
    - How tall should the tankers be to fit in three (!) In the bow of the T-64, especially taking into account the "armored capsule" being created, is there even now that 1 mechanized drive is too tight?
    - And where will the equipment (battery and additional ammunition, if I am not mistaken) located now in the bow of the T-64 be transferred?

    Regarding growth, it is easily solved. At 12, the teenager is shackled in armor, like bollards in the Middle Ages and voila. The undersized square tanker is ready :)
  25. Taoist
    Taoist 10 June 2016 11: 11
    +8
    By the way, did anyone pay attention to the logo of this very "engineering group"? Nazi "flying saucer" - which in general is logical, the 3rd Reich was famous for its "wunderwaffles" - though they didn't work a damn thing, but who cares?
    1. i80186
      i80186 10 June 2016 14: 20
      +2
      Well, why only the third Reich? winked
      In fact, of course, there was nothing of this, these are myths.
      1. yehat
        yehat 10 June 2016 14: 56
        +6
        I love this topic)))
      2. Taoist
        Taoist 10 June 2016 23: 27
        0
        Well then Photoshop definitely wasn’t ... (poor K7) ;-)
    2. i80186
      i80186 10 June 2016 14: 29
      +4
      Here is another true photo.
      1. yehat
        yehat 10 June 2016 14: 55
        +2
        and here's another
        probably from Galicia a car or Vlasov
  26. alebor
    alebor 10 June 2016 11: 22
    +3
    Tirex ... They say that as you name the ship, it will sail. If the new tank is called the name of an animal that died out 60 millions of years ago, then how far will it go? smile
  27. Vadim237
    Vadim237 10 June 2016 11: 30
    +1
    Most likely, with the detonation of the ammunition this armored capsule will simply collapse.
    1. Taoist
      Taoist 10 June 2016 11: 46
      +1
      I give a fresh idea ... We put the piston in and when the ammunition detonates, the capsule catapults ;-) There is really a problem with braking after such a shot ... but it will be finalized after ... (if you have anyone left) ;-)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 June 2016 15: 13
        +1
        The piston will not help in the explosion of the ammunition rack the equivalent of 120 kilograms of TNT will "catapult" the entire tank - it will be scattered to smithereens, along with the kakpsulay.
  28. yehat
    yehat 10 June 2016 11: 50
    +2
    thyrex has one simple but deadly problem.
    look at Chinese, Russian, German, Korean, and whatever tanks you like - everyone has frontal protection growing by increasing the banal thickness. The Chinese generally made more than a meter in the tower
    and on the basis of t64 it is simply unrealistic to make the thickness sufficient. the tank is short. and there are few rollers to keep a heavy carcass without minuses in reliability and cross-country ability. As a result, no matter how you manage, you won’t be able to make an adequate frontal protection and literally everything will be sewn on this tank. The only one to protect will be close - this is the Japanese new tank type 10, however, this machine has its own qualities, inaccessible to the Ukrainian project, for which they sacrificed security.
    1. Taoist
      Taoist 10 June 2016 12: 05
      +4
      so there are as many as three foreheads of courageous ukrovoens in the forehead ... ;-) Shells will be guaranteed to ricochet ...
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 10 June 2016 15: 14
        +1
        One hit and a complete concussion of all three.
        1. yehat
          yehat 10 June 2016 16: 02
          +1
          the above assumption is false because the other assumption about the presence of the brain in these three is false
          1. the47th
            the47th 10 June 2016 19: 00
            +1
            You can concuss not only the head, but also any organ or soft tissue.
  29. Garris199
    Garris199 10 June 2016 12: 28
    +1
    Its main task is to deeply modernize the existing T-64 tank

    You can not read further.
  30. ISSIDOR
    ISSIDOR 10 June 2016 12: 42
    +1
    With this refinement, with an increase in the dimensions of the hull and the number of remote sensors in the weight of 39 tons, they will not be able to fit, the chassis t 64 will not pull such a modernization.
  31. balabol
    balabol 10 June 2016 13: 07
    +2
    Honestly surprised by the appearance on the website about weapons articles about fabulous devices. And trying to seriously discuss it. The other day another performance characteristics of an airplane carpet will be evaluated.
  32. opus
    opus 10 June 2016 13: 21
    +6
    Quote: Author
    The project of the main battle tank "Tireks" (Ukraine)

    1.I have déjà vu
    2. The site has a genre crisis
    3. There are a lot of people who are "concerned" about Ukraine (and I am the same belay seem to be)


    +

    but! something new (info) is nothing: the same pictures, the same basics and dill .. crying
    1. Lekov L
      Lekov L 10 June 2016 14: 49
      +2
      No not like this!
      Do not be upset over the fifth approach to the bar ... smile
      This is all from the series "a talk",
      "discussion", etc.
      I, too, gave birth to a comment in this thread, although nifiga not from "Wheels" but even from "Machines" and an armor-piercer by education, but it seemed like there was repeat .
      Glad to see you and respectfully!
      1. opus
        opus 10 June 2016 14: 57
        +3
        Quote: Lekov L
        Glad to see you and respectfully!

        hi Kamerad.
        Quote: Lekov L
        I, too, gave birth to a comment in this thread, although nifiga not from "Wheels"

        I keep silent about Tirex, there is such a man Kars (full name: Zaporozhye), let him express himself in essence.
        He knows better.
        1. Lekov L
          Lekov L 10 June 2016 15: 10
          +1
          Let's wait for Kars!
          In the meantime, glad to see you!
  33. _my opinion
    _my opinion 10 June 2016 13: 39
    +1
    The project of the main battle tank "Tireks" (Ukraine)

    smile a lot of plans ... I think it will remain on paper, but in words.
  34. Lame pirate
    Lame pirate 10 June 2016 14: 47
    +1
    I still do not understand why "Tirex" is not made in the concept of a combat walking robot, dinosaurs are offended !!
  35. yehat
    yehat 10 June 2016 14: 50
    +2
    interesting, but how is a machine-gun turret, clearly controlled manually, compatible with an uninhabited tower?
    1. Lekov L
      Lekov L 10 June 2016 14: 57
      +5
      Office is not from the tower ..
      Are you there a back jacket behind a "kulemet, sho, not bachili"?
      From the identity!
      And the tower is uninhabited!
      Sincerely.
  36. HMR333
    HMR333 10 June 2016 15: 24
    +3
    )))) bullshit is not a project because on the basis of T64 you can’t do what they supposedly invented themselves)) there isn’t enough space for such changes, not the dimensions, if you put a similar tower in the T64, the crew will run behind the tank because there’s a place in tanks for them will not remain)))
    1. yehat
      yehat 10 June 2016 16: 04
      +1
      this is unacceptable for Ukrainian tankers. Now, if you could ride ... fellow
  37. Nforce
    Nforce 10 June 2016 16: 17
    -2
    Today in Syria captured our T-90 tank.
    http://www.newsru.com/world/10jun2016/tank.html
  38. SerB60
    SerB60 10 June 2016 17: 55
    +1
    Quote: bandabas
    According to some versions of paleontologists, judging by the structure of the body (in particular, the small forelegs), tyrannosaurs were scavengers.

    I read the "pedals" and for some reason thought about the hind legs))
  39. TT62
    TT62 10 June 2016 18: 40
    +6
    Tanks, tanks! Here for the Australians, I worry. As if their Maidan did not work.
  40. contour
    contour 10 June 2016 21: 28
    0
    Quote: ImperialKolorad
    Quote: PTS-m
    .Miser pays twice...

    And stupid three times.

    L0x - for life)))
  41. aba
    aba 11 June 2016 00: 14
    0
    but it is claimed that they will be higher than the base ...

    And for what they will not undertake, so immediately and is approved... In the meantime, something more substantial than the words and can not present it. And they won’t be able to!
  42. Kernel
    Kernel 11 June 2016 09: 09
    0
    If the number of T-64s is large, they will lengthen the Tirex hull by connecting two hulls. Eithm will decide the placement of the crew, as if on a skeleton.
  43. Bosk
    Bosk 11 June 2016 10: 51
    -1
    Back in the days of the Union in Ukraine, there was a deep modernization of the T-64, there was also an uninhabited tower and something like a capsule for the crew, with the collapse of the Union, this project was suspended, the documentation went to Kiev and Russia suggested later to Ukraine to modify this tank and jointly to release but Kiev this project "zhaomyachil" ..., so actually and thought, but by chance they were not going to restore it?
  44. Andrew
    Andrew 11 June 2016 11: 19
    0
    Another miserable modernization, the T-64 ... Our comrades are Svidomo, we are reproached for the fact that we continue to be in service, the T-72 and is actively modernizing them, well then what is that !? Well, you are still upgrading the ancient T-64! They wanted to create an analogue of Almaty ... And judging by the photo, the copy is 100%! But they forgot one. UNABLE TOWER! Russian engineers worked and sweated over this development, and they immediately blind ... They just show on the abum and say - ITA ANALAC ARMATE AND EVEN BETTER! 1 In short, this wunderwaffle will not even be on paper, not to mention the prototype.
  45. Appraiser
    Appraiser 11 June 2016 11: 59
    0
    There are no funds even for the purchase of gas in the Russian Federation, but still there .... "Strana" of dreamers, but who will allow them! if only on paper, because paper will endure everything ... soldier
  46. dmitriyruss
    dmitriyruss 11 June 2016 12: 29
    0
    interestingly, at least it comes to a wooden layout on a scale of 1 to 1 ....
  47. Archon
    Archon 11 June 2016 15: 16
    0
    Most likely, it will all end with the purchase of old abrams or leopards. Since the abrams are no longer produced, it means that Ukraine will purchase old leopards. Maybe even in eastern Europe.
  48. electrooleg
    electrooleg 12 June 2016 14: 51
    0
    Tirex is a cleaning agent for sartir.
  49. Badmicke
    Badmicke 13 June 2016 08: 06
    0
    If you drop all the jokes (which of course is difficult), a comparative parallel with the Ukrainian auto industry comes to mind, namely, the next car after Tavria with the name Slavuta (if anyone saw it, you can’t look without laughter). in the concept, it will obviously look just as funny !!!
  50. Nevsky_ZU
    Nevsky_ZU 13 June 2016 10: 32
    +1
    And not a single comment from Israel ... hmm ... to see the Nazis from "Azov" to be afraid to criticize. Only Russian quilted jackets like to run into in the comments on the topic of tank building.