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German vice chancellor names conditions for supporting Nord Stream 2 project

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Today, official Berlin presented a statement that states the readiness of Germany to support the project to build the Nord Stream-2 gas pipeline. About the principles on which Germany is ready to support the project, said Vice-Chancellor of Germany Sigmar Gabriel. According to the German politician, the project must comply with the norms of the European energy market, not become an obstacle to gas supplies to Eastern Europe and not threaten transit through the territory of Ukraine. He writes about it Bloomberg.


German vice chancellor names conditions for supporting Nord Stream 2 project


At the same time, Sigmar Gabriel noted that the construction of a new branch of the gas pipeline, which will connect Russia and Germany, is not subject to the so-called third energy package. According to the Deputy Prime Minister of Germany, “Nord Stream-2” must first be assessed from an economic point of view, and the European Commission should think about the implementation of this large-scale energy project.

Such companies as Gazprom, German E.ON and Wintershall, also French ENGIE, Austrian OMV and British-Dutch giant Shell have already been involved in the implementation of the North Stream-2 project. The second branch of the gas pipeline in the north of Europe will approximately double the volume of Russian gas supplies to Germany.

The countries of the eastern part of the EU are actively opposing the construction of Nord Stream-2, and they are clearly nervous that Nord Stream 2 will deprive them of the possibility of receiving and transit Russian gas directly from the Russian Federation. Ukraine has tightened even more. The statement of Gabriel about the "preservation of transit" led to stormy joy in the country of the victorious Maidan.
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  1. avvg
    avvg 8 June 2016 18: 46
    +24
    In my opinion, the Germans, or gas or Ukraine, will choose gas.
    1. cniza
      cniza 8 June 2016 18: 47
      +24
      Business will teach them to love their homeland, when do they have elections there? And it seems to me that this is a stuffing that would reassure Ukraine.
      1. Ami du peuple
        Ami du peuple 8 June 2016 19: 03
        +35
        Quote: cniza
        And it seems to me that this is a stuffing that would reassure Ukraine.
        Maybe not stuffing. It was the same with the first joint venture - they were strenuously calming the Young Europeans. that they are not in danger and Germany will not monopolize their gas markets. So it is here: according to the principle "to promise does not mean to marry". Keywords of the Deputy Prime Minister of Germany
        .. “Nord Stream-2” should first be evaluated with economic point of view, and the European Commission should think about the implementation of this large-scale energy project.
        That, in fact, is all. What about Ukrainians? Nothing, let them jump ..
        1. persei
          persei 8 June 2016 20: 16
          +1
          However, it is very tough to raise Gabriel's question ... "Gabriel also stressed that Germany will support the Nord Stream-2 project if Russia observes three key conditions.
          First, the gas pipeline must comply with other existing rules in the European Union. Secondly, the gas pipeline should not in any way negatively affect the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine.
          Third, Nord Stream 2 should not impede the supply of Russian gas to Eastern Europe.
          And this means they want to take advantage of the fact that we have a budget deficit, and now we really need money. But I think this "Gordian knot" ... we will settle it.))))))))))


          Details: https://regnum.ru/news/polit/2142641.html Any use of materials is allowed only if there is a hyperlink to REGNUM IA.
          1. bovig
            bovig 8 June 2016 23: 18
            +6
            Quote: persei
            However, it is very tough to raise Gabriel's question ... "Gabriel also stressed that Germany will support the Nord Stream-2 project if Russia observes three key conditions.
            First, the gas pipeline must comply with other existing rules in the European Union. Secondly, the gas pipeline should not in any way negatively affect the transit of Russian gas through Ukraine.
            Third, Nord Stream 2 should not impede the supply of Russian gas to Eastern Europe.
            And this means they want to take advantage of the fact that we have a budget deficit, and now we really need money. But I think this "Gordian knot" ... we will settle it.))))))))))

            However strange this Gabriel! If these three conditions are met, then Nord Stream-2 loses its meaning and, simply, we don't need a fuck!))))) And by and large, this is just a desire to shift the responsibility for future risks to Russia. Like, if something happens, it's not our fault - it's all Russia ...
            1. Air defense SSH
              Air defense SSH 9 June 2016 03: 13
              +3
              The geyropeytsy have been really strange in recent years - there is no pragmatism in the economy, they are beating themselves with sanctions, they have flooded their cities with refugees, the billions are simply paid to Turks, they are targeting themselves because of their bases ... I wouldn’t promise about stuffing .. .
      2. Observer2014
        Observer2014 8 June 2016 21: 18
        +1
        All the fuss around the Ukrainian groaning around gas, connected only with the desire of Germany at the expense of Russia to maintain Ukraine in "Europe." then we will be sponsors of Ukraine.
      3. GSH-18
        GSH-18 8 June 2016 23: 37
        0
        Ukraine has strained even more

        Oh, and the stench is utterly worthless! lol
        Gabriel's statement about "preserving transit" led to stormy joy in the country of the victorious Maidan.

        Maydanobabuiny do not understand who really controls what.
        Gabriel can gossip about how much he can fit on the ropes, only he decides nothing about the ways of transporting our gas. Who decides the gas hi
      4. VP
        VP 9 June 2016 05: 14
        +1
        Quote: cniza
        And it seems to me that this is a stuffing that would reassure Ukraine.

        This is the trolling of the European Commission by the Germans.
        The statement, translated into ordinary language, is as follows.
        "We will build, fuck off, we will not break the laws, since the SP-2 does not fall under the energy package, calm down, we will chat about Ukraine, but we will still build, and in general the main thing is the economy and not your political troubles."
    2. oleg-gr
      oleg-gr 8 June 2016 18: 48
      +4
      He doesn’t. He generates a lot of gas ...
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    4. The black
      The black 8 June 2016 18: 58
      +7
      It seems that Germany has calculated the money very carefully. Younger brothers in the EU naturally fly past the box office. As in the eastern proverb - a dog (mongrel) barks, and the caravan goes on. Maybe Krylov’s fable about Moska needs to be urgently translated into all languages ​​of the world? smile
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2016 20: 00
        0
        When Nord Stream 2 is built and connected, we will be setting the conditions.
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 8 June 2016 20: 47
          +3
          Quote: Vadim237
          When Nord Stream 2 is built and connected - we will be setting conditions.


          Ahem ... Let me ask - what are the conditions, to whom and how ???

          Let me remind you that Russia is a seller, and Germany (and who else) are buyers ...

          And the buyer is always right ... Hmm, even if he is not right at all ...

          So it is difficult for us, Russia, in this case to dictate our conditions ...
          And the Saudis, Qatar and others like them are eager for the European market ...
          1. jjj
            jjj 8 June 2016 21: 20
            +2
            Quote: weksha50
            Saudis, Qatar and others like them are eager for the European market ...

            Torn, they are torn. They just can’t break through
          2. Ami du peuple
            Ami du peuple 8 June 2016 21: 22
            +5
            Quote: weksha50
            And the buyer is always right ... Hmm, even if he is not right at all ...
            Only if the buyer has a worthy alternative. What do you think the Europeans will replace 30% of their gas market? The limits of gas production by the EU countries themselves have peaked. Middle Eastern or State LNG? Well, well .. However, the old Europe is not in a hurry to build terminals at its reception.
            Quote: weksha50
            So it is difficult for us, Russia, in this case to dictate our conditions ...
            And we do not dictate, we agree. And with the Ukrainian transit the following can happen: does everyone know very well that the Ukrainian gas transportation system is badly worn out and requires immediate modernization? Well, Gazprom will, for purely technical reasons, and, guided by environmental and safety considerations, suspend gas transit through Hohland.
          3. GSH-18
            GSH-18 8 June 2016 23: 44
            +2
            Quote: weksha50
            So it is difficult for us, Russia, in this case to dictate our conditions ...
            And the Saudis, Qatar and others like them are eager for the European market ...

            All. Already not torn. Syria is ours! Now their gas to them is current to them on their own hump through China with cancer! laughing
            So the thesis about damned competitors is no longer valid, gentlemen Europeans. As we say, it will be so! And no firewood in the parks, coal in Africa. Call Potroshenko, he will confirm lol
          4. Nforce
            Nforce 9 June 2016 01: 16
            -1
            You are absolutely right. But now Norway rules. And when they build a system of gas pipelines between the EU countries, they will no longer need Russian gas, but they will buy in small quantities. In general, a "gas weapon" can be used 1 time, then they simply stop buying it from you.
            1. Parsec
              Parsec 9 June 2016 01: 48
              -1
              Statoil’s quarterly report says the company’s gas production costs are $ 1,04 per million Btu (British thermal unit). In the Russian giant Gazprom, the corresponding figure in 2015 was $ 0,4. The difference in price would be even greater if the krona had not weakened by about 30% in the past two years. And frankly, it’s easy to see who is more likely to sell cheap gas to Europe in the future.

              The report of the Oil Department for 2013 shows a monstrous drop in the number of gas deposits found, as well as a decrease in their volumes. Big money can be earned only in truly large deposits, it is they that make the laying of pipelines and the creation of other infrastructure profitable.

              If the Norwegian lobby achieves a renaissance in gas consumption in Europe, Russia is likely to be the supplier of this gas.

              Read more here http://inosmi.ru/economic/20160426/236310723.html

              Where does Norway steer there ...
        2. GSH-18
          GSH-18 8 June 2016 23: 40
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          When Nord Stream 2 is built and connected, we will be setting the conditions.

          Actually, we are putting them right now. Do not pay attention to all Russophobic empty chimes.
    5. Next
      Next 8 June 2016 19: 08
      +11
      Quote: cniza
      In my opinion, the Germans, or gas or Ukraine, will choose gas.


      Only they need to be prepared for the fact that when choosing Ukraine, they can remain without gas in the winter. Because he (in the sense of gas) can get lost in a pipe in Ukraine. Probably something like this.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 8 June 2016 20: 50
        0
        Quote: Next
        Only they need to be prepared for that when choosing Ukraine, they may be left without gas in the winter. Because he (in the sense of gas) can get lost in a pipe in Ukraine.


        For the third year in a row, the same mantra that Ukraine or Eastern Europe will freeze, die without our gas ... has been exaggerated ... But they do not die in any way ...

        Yes, the Saudis easily go to lower prices for the supply of their gas to Europe by gas carriers ...
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 8 June 2016 23: 57
          +2
          Quote: weksha50
          Yes, the Saudis easily go to lower prices for the supply of their gas to Europe by gas carriers ..

          Gas contracts, in contrast to the purchase of potatoes on the market, are concluded for long periods, since numerous and expensive equipment with a long life cycle is manufactured for a specific gas mixture. Liquefied and pipe gas have different calorific value and different composition of impurities. Stupidly replace one with another, you can’t!
          And then, what are the gas reserves of the Saudis ??? For how many years of supply for Europe will it last three, four years? laughing Do they already have the capacity to liquefy these colossal volumes? Is a gas fleet built?
          In general, thinking people understand that all this is a usual chatter of eccentric Saudis through the letter m.
    6. Juborg
      Juborg 8 June 2016 19: 11
      0
      There is one nuance, we are forced to sell Gazprom to American and British companies. Today there is strong pressure and blackmail, with the help of not only in Ukraine and Syria, but also in Asian countries (Turkmenistan, Kyrgyzstan, Kazakhstan destabilizing the situation there)
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2016 20: 02
        +4
        “We are being forced to sell Gazprom to American and British companies” - You probably dreamed about it, this company will buy whatever you want.
        1. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 9 June 2016 03: 53
          0
          Quote: Vadim237
          “We are being forced to sell Gazprom to American and British companies” - You probably dreamed about it, this company will buy whatever you want.

          Maybe so, but are you aware that the state budget covers the foreign debts of Gazprom, its bank and other banks? In Ukraine alone, more than $ 200 billion ... was spent by Gazprom, banks, $ 20 billion. And besides Ukraine, how many banks asked ... did they get loans there? And at our expense all their debts are covered. They settled well, like `` yours is mine, and mine is not yours '', all the profit is only theirs, and their debts and rather big ones, we pay. Therefore, there was not enough money in the budget. And now, to fill the budget, they are again straining the population, and the same rats.
          All this would be ... the oligarchic dlota from the 90s can only steal or stupidly just raise prices. I agree, not all of them, but such, the vast majority.
      2. midivan
        midivan 8 June 2016 20: 11
        +3
        Quote: juborg
        There is one nuance, we are forced to sell Gazprom to American and British companies.

        nor any nuances, to force us to knock on the poplar with a hammer
      3. unsinkable
        unsinkable 8 June 2016 20: 19
        +3
        Quote: juborg
        we are forced to sell Gazprom

        Kindly enlighten the dark, where does the information come from? Probably fortunetelling at the daisy (they will sell, they will not sell), so they are not there yet. request
    7. midivan
      midivan 8 June 2016 20: 06
      +3
      Quote: avvg
      In my opinion, the Germans, or gas or Ukraine, will choose gas.

      but it even seems to me that they are still a little new .. they’re still a little tricky and will freeze a little this winter yes
  2. svp67
    svp67 8 June 2016 18: 47
    +3
    According to the German politician, the project should comply with the norms of the European energy market, not become an obstacle to gas supplies to Eastern Europe and not threaten transit through the territory of Ukraine.

    Me, me, naturlih ...
    As you say, so let's say. The main thing for us now is to build this pipeline, and there "either Ishak (U's gas transportation system) will die, or Padishah (U herself) will die"
  3. seti
    seti 8 June 2016 18: 48
    +16
    I hope VV Putin will say in a simple way: you guys need gas and we need currency for it. Do you want to take in the hub in Germany for SP1 and SP2 and want to buy gas carriers from the USA. Let your pocket and your residents feel the difference. And your economy. And we are such simple people that you do not want to buy ours, we will find other buyers. For transit through the Ruin forget. With her, a separate topic and without you. And exposure.
    1. just exp
      just exp 8 June 2016 19: 23
      +4
      so here and the troubles that the EU pressed on Germany, and that may not become a hub. and in such a situation kakly blackmail the pipe to the last.
      although in principle you can tell Germany that transit through Ukraine will stop in 2019 anyway, so think about it and fly by.
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 8 June 2016 20: 12
        +7
        Quote: just explo
        kakly pipe blackmail to the last.

        As a result, the last ones who will be blackmailed by hahly will remain Romania and Moldova. yes Pshekam in the family is written to be slaves to the Germans and they will receive gas from Germany as nice. For expensive. the Czechs will still profit from them yes ...
      2. fif21
        fif21 8 June 2016 20: 32
        +3
        Quote: just explo
        transit through Ukraine will stop in 2019 anyway
        Transit through Ukraine does not comply with the second law of thermodynamics tongue And that’s it! Does not match! And their third energy package - TFA, in comparison with the second law of thermodynamics! laughing
        1. evil partisan
          evil partisan 8 June 2016 20: 53
          0
          Quote: fif21
          Transit through Ukraine does not comply with the second law of thermodynamics

          As well as the law of conservation of matter. yes Which in turn entails a violation of the law of continuity of continuous media. sad
          1. fif21
            fif21 8 June 2016 21: 23
            +1
            Quote: Angry Guerrilla
            As well as the law of conservation of matter. Which in turn entails a violation of the law of continuity of continuous media.
            Nice to talk with an educated person drinks
            1. evil partisan
              evil partisan 8 June 2016 21: 48
              +1
              Quote: fif21
              Nice to talk with an educated person

              drinks
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    2. sgazeev
      sgazeev 8 June 2016 20: 08
      +10
      Quote: seti
      I hope VV Putin will say in a simple way: you guys need gas and we need currency for it. Do you want to take in the hub in Germany for SP1 and SP2 and want to buy gas carriers from the USA. Let your pocket and your residents feel the difference. And your economy. And we are such simple people that you do not want to buy ours, we will find other buyers. For transit through the Ruin forget. With her, a separate topic and without you. And exposure.
      1. Vadim237
        Vadim237 8 June 2016 23: 30
        +1
        By the way, Israel has already given us a tank for exchange.
      2. GradusHuK
        GradusHuK 8 June 2016 23: 51
        +1
        I wonder when our country will be fully gasified?
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 9 June 2016 00: 11
          -2
          Quote: GradusHuK
          I wonder when our country will be fully gasified?

          In our Krasnodar Territory, everything has been gasified for a long time!
          And where do you live? In which country?
          1. Amurets
            Amurets 9 June 2016 00: 51
            +1
            Quote: GSH-18
            And where do you live? In which country?

            What kind of world do you live in? Beyond the Urals, they only dream about gasification. All the same SZHPG. AND "PROMISE TO GASIFY" when the Power of Siberia gas pipeline is built. PROMISE ??? !!!
            1. user1212
              user1212 9 June 2016 01: 12
              0
              Quote: Amurets
              Across the Urals, only dream of gasification

              On the example of the Khabarovsk Territory
              1997 - A gas section was opened in the village of Solnechny. The administration of the Khabarovsk Territory decided to start the second stage of gasification of the region within the framework of the federal target program “Gasification of the Sakhalin Region, Khabarovsk and Primorsky Territories”. According to this program, gas pipelines were built to the city of Amursk, the villages of Solnechny, Elban, Khurba.
              2000 - The Komsomolsk-on-Amur-Amursk-Khurba gas pipeline was built.
              2001 - The Amursk-Elban gas pipeline was built.
              2002 - Start of construction of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur-Khabarovsk gas trunkline.
              2005 - OAO Khabarovskkraigas includes the gas industry of Khabarovsk. On October 1, natural gas began to flow into the Khabarovsk Territory as part of an agreement between Exxon Neftegas Limited. (operator of the Sakhalin-1 project), on the one hand, and Khabarovskkraigaz and Khabarovskznergo, on the other.
              2006 - The construction of the Komsomolsk-on-Amur-Khabarovsk gas pipeline was completed. The gas pipeline GRS-1 - TPP-1 in Khabarovsk was commissioned. In October, the gas distribution system and the main gas pipeline in the village of Yagodnoy in the Komsomolsky region were put into operation.
              2007 - The first stage of the gas pipeline GRS-1-Ilyinka-Bychikha to the village of Krasnaya Rechka was built. The first hydraulic fracturing No. 75 was launched in the Southern District of Khabarovsk
              2008 - the first households of the private sector of the Southern District of Khabarovsk were gasified with natural gas, gas was put into the boiler room of the village of Krasnaya Rechka, gas was supplied to the boiler room of the villages of Krasnorechenskoye and Bychikha. Gas was launched into the main and distribution pipelines to the Nikolaev TPP.
              2009 - during the construction of the gas pipeline in the village. Roshchino, Khabarovsk district, for the first time in the region used polyethylene pipes instead of steel pipes (using the directional drilling method).
              2010 - A gas production service was created in Petropavlovsk-Kamchatsky, gas was launched into a gas distribution pipeline to the Petropavlovsk TPP
              2011 - a natural gas pipeline was built to the village of Gorny, Khabarovsk Territory, to the village of Krasnoye of the Nikolaev municipal district, block boiler rooms in the village of Sosnovka, Aspen River. Transfer of apartment buildings in the Northern District of Khabarovsk to the use of natural gas.
            2. Cat man null
              Cat man null 9 June 2016 01: 49
              +1
              Quote: Amurets
              Across the Urals, only dream of gasification

              - Here user1212 got ahead of me
              - you see .. speak for yourself and life will become easier
              - in this, roughly, way: in the village-village-village-city N (one hundred thousand million inhabitants) there is no gas

              Quote: Amurets
              All the same SGPG

              - And it’s not that there isn’t at all, but he is from the cylinders simply ... question, by the way: are the cylinders home? Or does everyone have their own personal?
              - I found the scheme of 2 cylinders for a 12-apartment building in my childhood. Until 1967, there was no gas "from the pipe" in the village (very difficult and necessary for the state. 50 km from Moscow in total). They brought cylinders, changed them, I don't remember the replacement frequency, to be honest

              That's something like request
            3. Vadim237
              Vadim237 9 June 2016 21: 05
              0
              It’s easier to build nuclear power plants and electrify everyone.
          2. dmikras
            dmikras 9 June 2016 08: 06
            0
            And you take an interest as with gas in the Krasnoyarsk Territory as an example
        2. Vasiliev Yu
          Vasiliev Yu 9 June 2016 04: 08
          -1
          Unrealistic, cheap populism.
          Do you think it is realistic to tighten our entire territory of the country with pipes, like a web, to all cities, towns and villages? We are not Europe, the scale is different.
    3. Vasiliev Yu
      Vasiliev Yu 9 June 2016 04: 03
      0
      Quote: seti
      I hope VV Putin will say in a simple way: you guys need gas and we need currency for it. Do you want to take in the hub in Germany for SP1 and SP2 and want to buy gas carriers from the USA. Let your pocket and your residents feel the difference. And your economy. And we are such simple people that you do not want to buy ours, we will find other buyers. For transit through the Ruin forget. With her, a separate topic and without you. And exposure.

      Like everything is childish.
      And who supports the sanctions? Pin ... dosov have 3% turnover with us, but how much was with Europe? And what, it prevented them from climbing into themselves ... well, for the sake of pin ... dosam?
  4. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 8 June 2016 18: 50
    +10
    In short, or take it or not? Although it is necessary to explain to the ram that Nord Stream-2 is being built in order not to depend on the mood of the horses, and he seems to have beguiled by putting forward a condition not to threaten the Ukrainian transit, in short, star-striped ears stick out again!
  5. Stinger
    Stinger 8 June 2016 18: 51
    +7
    We should also screw on the Minsk agreements to complete the issue. When pseudo-politicians interfere in commercial projects, do not wait for good. Let them carry gas from their beloved America on airplanes.
    1. vorobey
      vorobey 8 June 2016 19: 00
      +9
      Quote: Stinger
      Let them carry gas from their beloved America on airplanes.


      there’s a wild offer then ... to kill competitors at a price and transport gas to Europe to tanks ... and stop objecting .. and our Foreign Ministry has something to cover ... - Tank - Eng. tank tank laughing
      1. Onotollah
        Onotollah 8 June 2016 19: 58
        +7
        Quote: vorobey
        kill competitors at the cost

        Great idea. The bottom line is this: through the German pipe, gas for Europe costs 250 per cube. Through Ukraine, 500.
        And no tanks are needed. This is unprofitable, and it harms consumer demand.
        PS: The worst enemies in the past have exchanged places with their brothers in the past.
        What irony, what a harsh polar fox !!!
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 8 June 2016 20: 54
        +1
        Quote: vorobey
        Tank - English tank tank


        It is preferable on Russian tanks, in the Russian sense of the word ... First - tanks, then - gas ...
        1. Amurets
          Amurets 9 June 2016 00: 03
          0
          Quote: weksha50
          It is preferable on Russian tanks, in the Russian sense of the word ... First - tanks, then - gas ...

          What difference does it make? A piece of iron is a piece of iron.
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  6. Cat man null
    Cat man null 8 June 2016 18: 55
    +13
    not to become an obstacle to gas supplies to Eastern Europe and not to threaten transit through the territory of Ukraine

    These are all games of some kind and verbiage request

    - The agreement on transit through Ukraine ends in 2019
    - extend it while no one is going to
    - with the introduction of Nord Stream-2, Germany receives a healthy bonus, since it becomes the "main gas addict" of Europe

    That is, it is not clear at all:

    1. Why did the vice chancellor say this?
    2. Why does he have such a nasty face? laughing
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    2. fif21
      fif21 8 June 2016 20: 25
      +1
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      Why did the vice chancellor say this?
      They are always trying to teach "vatnikov" wassat Especially when we do something in the interests of the Russian Federation and not Europe laughing They don’t know the Russian proverb — don’t teach me how to live !, then you don’t know where you need to go laughing Can we, too, have some kind of conditions to put forward for Europe to supply it with oil and gas from Russia? lol For example, return the GDR good
    3. evil partisan
      evil partisan 8 June 2016 21: 14
      0
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      1. Why did the vice chancellor say this?

      He MUST say something by definition. Sometimes even stupid things. On Korra, for example, Paramogu is celebrated all evening on this occasion ... hi drinks
    4. Amurets
      Amurets 9 June 2016 00: 44
      +3
      Quote: Cat Man Null

      1. Why did the vice chancellor say this?

      I wanted the EKS prefix.
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      2. Why does he have such a nasty face?

      I inherited it.
  7. qwert111
    qwert111 8 June 2016 18: 55
    +7
    Everything somehow fell in, at first I could not long smooth out the tubercle on the wallpaper. And then the hamster touched somewhere.
    The representatives of Ukraine should not strain, although Gabriel's statement about "preserving transit" led to great joy in the country of the victorious Maidan, the Germans are well aware that it is time to smooth out such a hillock as Ukraine, it starts to irritate more and more.
  8. dobrik10
    dobrik10 8 June 2016 18: 55
    +10
    Why does Eastern Europe need gas? They play war there against a "hypothetical" aggressor and they are so warm ...
  9. bad
    bad 8 June 2016 18: 59
    +7
    According to the German politician, the project should comply with the norms of the European energy market, not become an obstacle to gas supplies to Eastern Europe and not threaten transit through the territory of Ukraine. Writes about it
    ..and wants to get on the tree and eat the fish .. and the cheek will not crack from such abundance? .. fool
  10. nrex
    nrex 8 June 2016 19: 05
    +6
    They are already sitting on the same pipe (Nord Stream 1) and now they are beginning to pick their nose, set conditions. All the same, what all the CREATURES!
    1. fif21
      fif21 8 June 2016 20: 13
      +4
      Quote: nrex
      They are already sitting on the same pipe (Nord Stream 1)
      Are all the capabilities of SP-1 used? I read that only 30% request And JV -2, is it so that European companies make money on laying pipes? And then they will say that this does not correspond to their 4 energy package laughing Bred Gazprom looks like wassat
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 8 June 2016 21: 31
        +1
        Quote: fif21
        Are all the capabilities of SP-1 used? I read that only 30%

        Well, it's only the Germans swearing at the dead Martemian yes , but how much is there in fact - only Miller and the shredder know, and even 10 people - no more ...
        Quote: fif21
        Bred Gazprom looks like

        Schazzzzzzz. You will scatter such sad ... In addition, in Europe there are even more people who love days and in power than in Russia. Corruption is ineradicable in principle. request What sometimes happens on hand ... repeat
  11. Goldmitro
    Goldmitro 8 June 2016 19: 07
    +8
    Gabriel's statement about "preserving transit" led to stormy joy in the country of the victorious Maidan.

    It looks like they don't really need gas if they all set different conditions. Maybe for now, "send" all these guardians of the Ukrainian transit together with the maydanuts? Let Europe first play enough with the politeness in front of the maydanuty, and then, when pripriot itself will request gas supplies without any reservations about transit!
  12. KRIG55
    KRIG55 8 June 2016 19: 07
    +12
    It seems that the conditions put us all and sundry. Ukraine, Belarus at a price, Germany to preserve transit through Ukraine, and so on. And whether to send them all to .., for American gas for at least one winter.
  13. PBF
    PBF 8 June 2016 19: 11
    +7
    It will freeze once because of a reliable partner in the form of Ukraine, so immediately all the partnerships will be forgotten and the trenches will go under the pipes to drip. In general, I completely agree, this statement is a pure bluff.
  14. masiya
    masiya 8 June 2016 19: 15
    +5
    \ And what does Ukraine have to do with it, it’s NORTHERN Stream, let’s take care of kaklov themselves, and not Germans, it’s a lot of honor ... they would deal with refugees ...
  15. semuil
    semuil 8 June 2016 19: 19
    +6
    Actually, in the latest news Germany already supports everything. But if they set some conditions, then we can simply say that transit through dill ceases in the fall, then Germany will build both stream-2 and stream-3 at its own expense and without any conditions.
  16. Freeman
    Freeman 8 June 2016 19: 25
    +1
    Quote: vorobey
    Quote: Stinger
    Let them carry gas from their beloved America on airplanes.


    there is then a wild offer ... to kill competitors at the cost of ...

    On the radio Business FM, when they discussed the "request" of Naftogaz of Ukraine to "reduce the price of gas," they said that Gazprom is already selling gas to Europe below the cost price, i.e. dumping in full, just to keep the market.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 8 June 2016 20: 59
      0
      Quote: Freeman
      they said that Gazprom is already selling gas to Europe below cost, i.e. dumping in full, just to save the market.


      Um ... And do you believe that ???

      After all, there are simple laws of economics ...
  17. sania275
    sania275 8 June 2016 19: 29
    +2
    It looks like an ultimatum type; hello Russian soldier, you are waiting for cigarettes, wine, milk hammer eggs.
  18. alexander 2
    alexander 2 8 June 2016 19: 33
    +6
    Nord Stream 2 is not an obstacle to gas supplies to Eastern Europe. They will simply receive it through a German hub. And he will threaten transit through the territory of Ukraine. No transit, no threats. With regards to the norms of the European Union. We will sell gas to Germany, what does the European Union have to do with it?
  19. aleks700
    aleks700 8 June 2016 19: 40
    +1
    I hope VV Putin will say in a simple way: you guys need gas and we need currency for it. Do you want to take in the hub in Germany for SP1 and SP2 and want to buy gas carriers from the USA. Let your pocket and your residents feel the difference. And your economy. And we are such simple people that you do not want to buy ours, we will find other buyers. For transit through the Ruin forget. With her, a separate topic and without you. And exposure.
    Putin will say that this is Gazprom’s business. But in general it is surprising. I want to buy your gas, but at a low price and through third parties. And don't mind. Here's how to understand it? Gazprom is ready to argue.
  20. kolexxx
    kolexxx 8 June 2016 19: 52
    +5
    Any court will establish that these conditions are non-market instruments, since none of them has any commercial connection with the business project under discussion.

    1. Nord Stream must comply with legal requirements - this is not discussed.
    The joint venture meets the requirements of Russian law, as well as, according to some information, the laws of other states that are participants in the project.
    In addition, Germany (seemingly) has no affiliation with Ukraine, is not part of Ukraine, and therefore is not interested in the prosperity or decline of the Ukrainian gas transportation system.
    Legislation of other states (as well as ephemeral interstate associations such as the European Union), of course, is thrust into the place where they are constantly trying to dig out for some reason.

    2. Nord Stream CANNOT NOT threaten the transit of gas through Ukraine, as it is an independent (alternative) means of transit. Namely, this (diversification of supply routes) has been posed for many years, including to Russia, as the first task of Europe.

    3. Nord Stream should not limit gas supplies to Eastern Europe.
    And is someone restricting? It seems so far the opposite, all sorts of Poles themselves strive to break the contracts.
    1. aleks700
      aleks700 8 June 2016 20: 43
      +1
      Any court will establish that these conditions are non-market instruments, since none of them has any commercial connection with the business project under discussion.
      Which court? I can’t imagine a court decision in favor of Russia.
  21. romandostalo
    romandostalo 8 June 2016 19: 55
    +2
    So the Ukrainian gas pipeline itself will soon fall apart, who repairs it, no one!
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 8 June 2016 20: 06
      +5
      The Ukrainian gas pipeline will not fall apart - it’s just its own after 2019, will be stolen for scrap.
  22. fellow misha
    fellow misha 8 June 2016 20: 13
    +3
    For his nits - ukrozhopiya volovyuytsaa)) as if she did not die of hunger, but feed the toad crushes, nemchura))
  23. bald
    bald 8 June 2016 20: 39
    +4
    What other conditions ?! Conditions must be dictated by us and only we. They will definitely have nowhere to go. And for those who slow down this business and blather --- increase the price. It is high time for the European Union to indicate its place.
  24. weksha50
    weksha50 8 June 2016 20: 43
    +1
    tired ... The left hand does not know what the right does ...

    Germany wants to eat fish, and ride on sledges ...

    Absolutely opposite and at the same time impracticable things are exhibited ... You give us gas, but do not reduce transit through Ukraine, do not offend it ...

    I talked a couple of weeks ago that Nord Stream-2 could comprehend the fate of the Turkish and South streams ...
    We are being driven into an economic impasse ... No matter how much we "Love" Gazprom, it still pays tax to the state budget from the profit, and in this case, it has already wasted multimillion investments in projects that will obviously not be completed, and Gazprom not only will not make a profit, but will incur colossal losses ...

    So I would characterize THIS behavior on the part of Germany as a kind of hybrid war against Russia ...
  25. leo1542
    leo1542 8 June 2016 20: 47
    +1
    Onotolle (1) SU Today, 19:58 ↑
    Quote: vorobey
    kill competitors at the cost
    Great idea. The bottom line is this: through the German pipe, gas for Europe costs 250 per cube. Through Ukraine, 500.
    And no tanks are needed. This is unprofitable, and it harms consumer demand.
    PS: The worst enemies in the past have exchanged places with their brothers in the past.
    What irony, what a harsh polar fox !!!

    O. it's nice to remember, "Severe Polar Fox" I remember, I remember ... Nothing but business, there is no other alternative, otherwise at a loss.
  26. fa2998
    fa2998 8 June 2016 20: 59
    +1
    Quote: Cat Man Null
    1. Why did the vice chancellor say this?

    This impudent German erysipelas tells Russia how to export gas! It’s not frail to interfere with other people's internal affairs, it’s commercial. We don’t indicate beer where to deliver, and how. Absolutely Germans spoiled for a long time, we didn’t storm Berlin! angry hi
  27. atamankko
    atamankko 8 June 2016 21: 11
    +1
    Something everyone wanted to set the conditions for,
    but they forgot that you don’t need to roll your lips on someone else’s.
  28. RUS33
    RUS33 8 June 2016 21: 32
    0
    Quote: Vadim237
    When Nord Stream 2 is built and connected, we will be setting the conditions.

    One damn thing we will build
  29. electrooleg
    electrooleg 8 June 2016 21: 36
    +1
    So come on, Mr. German, do your own rules of the European energy market so that they comply with Nord Stream-2. Deal with Ukraine, too, for example, spend a transit loop from Poland to Poland, for example, if you really want to leave Ukraine for transit.
  30. mihasik
    mihasik 8 June 2016 22: 39
    +1
    Nord Stream-2 countries actively participate in the eastern part of the EU

    I do the same with both hands for the ban on the construction of "SP-2"!
    Why?
    As our "Klitschko" used to say in the Government, namely Mr. Medvedev: "We have no state corporations, but there are corporations with state participation"! Do you feel the difference?) So, if the EU closes the SP-2, then NOT our "national heritage" will have nothing better than to develop the domestic market: those very small towns and villages that still (XXI century in the yard) sit on coal and wood without gas. Maybe at least the EU will force our shobla, (OUCH!) Excuse me, the elite to remember their own country?
  31. faterdom
    faterdom 8 June 2016 22: 51
    +3
    When we connect West Siberian gas with China, it will not matter to us, Gabrielle, in Germany, Merkel, or anyone else, and even more so what conditions they have there. Ukraine must face the fate of the Baltic transit roads and ports.
  32. russmensch
    russmensch 8 June 2016 22: 54
    +1
    I don’t understand ... They themselves say that the project is purely economic, and political conditions put forward. What is it like?
    Maybe ours needs to be said purely from an economic point of view - we are proposing to you (Germany, not the EU or to someone else, namely Germany) to buy gas from us. Decide whether you need it or not? If needed, let's discuss the cost and other details. If not, then no and no trial. Work out deliveries from where you want. And from 2019, deliveries through ukrov will end anyway. How will the contracts with Europe end. And we will not care what price it costs you.
    Well, something like this ... And believe me, they will swallow ... Ukram will say that they did everything they could, but damned Russians ... and therefore you will take gas in Europe at the prices that we indicate.
  33. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 June 2016 01: 09
    +1
    countries in the eastern part of the EU that are clearly nervous

    Bitchiness, they "test"! laughing
  34. Volzhanin
    Volzhanin 9 June 2016 08: 20
    +1
    The stuffing is not stuffing ... These fascists got it. And they don’t need an omna on a shovel?
    They fart our way into the pipe, we will find where to put the gas. Even if we do not find it, it lies well in the ground to the great-grandchildren. Do not die we will live with ease.
    There will be any filthy insignificance here to set conditions for us! Completely spoiled, geeks!
    Either gas under our conditions, or let them buy exorbitantly liquefied gas, or fart themselves. Pipes from Asia and the Middle East they will not care!
  35. Ros 56
    Ros 56 9 June 2016 11: 12
    +1
    Actually, I took the Germans more seriously, and they are becoming more and more like prostitutes.