The warm water of the Persian Gulf caused the breakdown of British destroyers

The gas turbine engines of the newest destroyers (Type 45) of the British Navy were not adapted to work in the warm waters of the Persian Gulf and are constantly overheating. The ships that are there to participate in the antiterrorist operation periodically report damage, the Daily Mail reports.

“The power plant is two Rolls-Royce WR-21 gas turbines with a total capacity of more than 56 000 horsepower. It turned out that they can not work in conditions of high temperature of seawater and low quality fuel. The first breakdown was reported in 2010. After sending destroyers to the Persian Gulf, complaints about engine failures became permanent. During operation, turbines overheat and fail, ”the resource quotes the article Life.ru.

As stated by the representative of the manufacturer of the ships (BAE Systems), "the problem is in the intercooler, which recovers the energy received from the engine exhaust gases." Created by Rolls-Royce engineers, this system “simply was not designed to work at such temperatures.”

The problem is recognized by the British military very serious. It was proposed to “equip each destroyer with two additional diesel engines starting in the event of failure of gas turbines”.

It is noted that this will require tens of millions of pounds. According to the newspaper, "each destroyer will have to make additional holes below the waterline where the diesel will be installed."

Publication certificate: “BAE Systems company from 2003 to 2010 year built 6 destroyers of Type Type 45 project. These are modern destroyers with guided missile weapons. At the moment they are considered the largest and most powerful air defense ships built for the British Navy. ”

Comments

[seti]

Already, water is not like that. Do not forget to impose sanctions against Iran.

[vorobey]

Quote: seti

Already, water is not like that

in ... I admit what will happen if they climb to "contain" Russia in the Barents or Baltic Sea ...

quote ... "in every destroyer will have to make additional holes below the waterline, where they will install the diesel engine. ”

RCC Bastion ... cope with this task for two times ...

[mav1971]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: seti

Already, water is not like that

in ... I admit what will happen if they climb to "contain" Russia in the Barents or Baltic Sea ...

quote ... "in every destroyer will have to make additional holes below the waterline, where they will install the diesel engine. ”

RCC Bastion ... cope with this task for two times ...

In the northern latitudes, few have problems.
Rahva that the Hindus have heating :)


But did you know that our submarines like the Shark (Typhoon) cannot even go beyond the northern seas?
Just because. Is water warmer than 5-7-8 degrees already incapable of cooling systems?

[arkadiyssk]

Quote: mav1971

But did you know that our submarines like the Shark (Typhoon) cannot even go beyond the northern seas?
Just because. Is water warmer than 5-7-8 degrees already incapable of cooling systems?

You will be surprised, but as a diving - Barentsovo even in August, even in winter evenly 2-3 degrees.
I don’t think that these 5–9 degrees allow for overheating, because boats always have a period, for example, in the summer, when they stand at the pier and the water circulation around them is slowed down and the sun can heat it in general, it can easily be near water at 15 degrees, even in the north. So if the Typhoon will go at least in the depths of the Indian Ocean, then there will always be no more than 10s overboard.
This is most likely the problem in the Persian Gulf, which is essentially a puddle 50m deep and where the water is 30-40 degrees thick.

[Mavrikiy]

[quote = mav1971] [quote = vorobey]

In the northern latitudes, few have problems.
Rahva that the Hindus have heating :)


But did you know that our submarines like the Shark (Typhoon) cannot even go beyond the northern seas?
Just because. that water is warmer than 5-7-8 degrees is already unable to cool systems? [/ quote]

But did you know that in the Russian Navy they don’t nail nails with a microscope? And there they understand very well for which theater which ship was built.

[jjj]

Such boats have nothing to do in warm shallow water. As I remember, the same English "Trafalgar" had problems there. But I hear for the first time that Ave 941 is afraid of southern latitudes. There, on the contrary, there is no need to heat the mines

[NordUral]

And they didn’t have to go out, do you know that?

[dvina71]

Quote: mav1971

Just because. Is water warmer than 5-7-8 degrees already incapable of cooling systems?

Test nonsense ..

Our divers, if you look at the map of the campaign, did not completely complete the round-the-world route. Coming out of the Zapadnaya Litsa polar base in early February 1966, the K-116 and K-133 atomarines passed the Norwegian Sea, crossed the Atlantic from north to south, crossed the raging Drake Passage and entered Antarctic waters. Then the nuclear-powered ships moved along the eastern coast of South America, crossed the Pacific Ocean and on March 26 moored at the berths of the Krasheninnikov Bay of Kamchatka. Nevertheless, Soviet submarines plowed the depths of three oceans - the Arctic, Atlantic and Pacific, several times crossed all climatic and hydrological zones of the globe.

It was in 1966 a year.

[mav1971]

Quote: dvina71

Quote: mav1971

Just because. Is water warmer than 5-7-8 degrees already incapable of cooling systems?

Test nonsense ..

Our divers, if you look at the map of the campaign, did not completely complete the round-the-world route. Coming out of the Zapadnaya Litsa polar base in early February 1966, the K-116 and K-133 atomarines passed the Norwegian Sea, crossed the Atlantic from north to south, crossed the raging Drake Passage and entered Antarctic waters. Then the nuclear-powered ships moved along the eastern coast of South America, crossed the Pacific Ocean and on March 26 moored at the berths of the Krasheninnikov Bay of Kamchatka. Nevertheless, Soviet submarines plowed the depths of three oceans - the Arctic, Atlantic and Pacific, several times crossed all climatic and hydrological zones of the globe.

It was in 1966 a year.

Firstly - this is not nonsense.
I read repeatedly about this.
and i just remember.

Secondly.
Why give links to absolutely insignificant topics?
why write about boats completely different?
The 675 and 627 projects have nothing to do with the 941 except for the general name - "submarine".
I was talking specifically about the boats of the 941 project.
write to us how the boats with the code "TK-" went through the southern latitudes
do not write - for they have never gone.

And even the trip described by you had the task not only of transition, but also of checking the operability of power plants and refrigerators at water temperatures up to 30 degrees.
And they had problems precisely because of warm water: Quote from the commander of the warhead-5 K-133 in that passage

If in the Barents Sea it was + 7оС, then, approaching the equator, it rose to + 28 - + 29оС. This affected the operation of individual systems, mechanisms and devices.

meant e-300 or E-500 .. Refrigeration units.
No reasons given.
So it’s not at all rosy with boats in warm waters.
Especially if they were calculated on server latitudes.

[gridasov]

It was possible not to write. You can’t help a lie. The physics of the process is known and the solutions are the same. Therefore, it’s ridiculous to watch how people wishful thinking they give out as reality.

[mav1971]

Quote: gridasov

It was possible not to write. You can’t help a lie. The physics of the process is known and the solutions are the same. Therefore, it’s ridiculous to watch how people wishful thinking they give out as reality.

Mr. Gridasov, have you come here again to preach your alternative physics and your spin directions of the effector corpuscular?

Do you think. what have you forgotten?
Oh well...

[dvina71]

Quote: mav1971

The 675 and 627 projects have nothing to do with the 941 except for the general name - "submarine".

With pro 941, virtually no boat has anything in common. I have a question .. How long have these boats been the basis of the naval part of the strategic nuclear forces? Oh .. never .. Then what the fuck did you bring the Shark here?
Project 971 just do the Indians in leasing and a bunch of Varshavyanka in the property. What do they go to in the Arctic? She doesn’t ... at home in Indian, in warm water. And the Indians make no complaints 971, and the Warsaw / Halibut too. And how did they do it?

[The black]

That snow is cold, then the water is hot Poor British soldiers, what hardships they have to endure, and they serve. "Nails would be made of these people."

[Inok10]

Quote: Black

Now the snow is cold, now the water is hot Poor British soldiers, what hardships they have to endure, but they serve. "Nails would be made of these people."

... vo-in ... in Norway, the Anglican special forces pampers froze to the genitals ... well, in the Persian Gulf the head is boiling and the equipment is overheating ... it’s no longer just ridiculous tears ... brave warriors of England ... there is truth the decision is cardinal ... a good surgeon is always able to help, a bad dancer ...

[jjj]

Few people know that Western LCDs freeze at sub-zero temperatures

[sgazeev]

Quote: Black

That snow is cold, then the water is hot Poor British soldiers, what hardships they have to endure, and they serve. "Nails would be made of these people."

At Norway’s northernmost military base in the town of Porsanger in the Finnmark region, the British Marines refused to perform combat training missions due to low air temperature. Her Majesty's subjects said that they could not train in conditions where the temperature drops to minus twenty degrees.

The base commander of the Norwegian base, Lieutenant Colonel Trond Thomassen, justifying the British soldiers, explained that they have a special attitude to health and safety. They are sitting in the barracks and flatly refuse to take any kind of training every time when the thermometer drops below eight degrees. Complicating the situation is the fact that in this frost the soldiers cannot use the diapers that are given to them for the duration of the long exercises in view of the impossibility of putting toilet stalls in forests, in the mountains, and on other rough terrain. Once the urine cools down, the genitals begin to freeze, and in two soldiers the genitals literally froze to the inside of the disposable diaper. The British soldiers were not able to cast in a snowdrift, as ethnic Norwegians still do, the young generation lost these skills.

[GSH-18]

Quote: sgazeev

The British soldiers were not able to cast in a snowdrift, as ethnic Norwegians still do, the young generation lost these skills. laughing

Is that so? What is the problem? In the head or between the legs?
And can the authorities not allow them to pollute Norway?

[Mavrikiy]

Quote: Black

That snow is cold, then the water is hot Poor British soldiers, what hardships they have to endure, and they serve. "Nails would be made of these people."

All is correct. All remote control parameters are at maximum. You need to be more modest. With a margin to build. Yes, weight will increase, power will be spent. True, the boat will not be the best.
Something remembered the 2nd Pacific campaign. They also went with breakdowns. Refrigerators, desalination plants ....
By the way, I wouldn’t hurry to make nails out of these people, I would bend. They are also sharpened to the maximum. 3 meals a day with juice and ice cream, comfort, conder, I don’t know the watch, but also the conditions.

[PKK]

You shouldn’t laugh. The question is not that the coolers are warming up, but that the destroyers were not sent to "their" latitudes. The commanders are mowing, this is a fact. The destroyers are imprisoned for the North with Russia.

[Inok10]

Quote: PKK

You shouldn’t laugh. The question is not that the coolers are warming up, but that the destroyers were not sent to "their" latitudes. The commanders are mowing, this is a fact. The destroyers are imprisoned for the North with Russia.

... Soviet and Russian technology is designed for 100% performance at +/- 50 gr. and 90% relative humidity ... let the oars dry, "Lady of the Seas" ...

[jjj]

For the north, these steamers have too clipper dimensions and poor ice contours.

[GSH-18]

Quote: PKK

The question is not that the coolers are warming

Coolers do not heat up, coolers generally do not give a damn about the temperature. GTE turbines themselves are heated in excess of permissible values. And they get warm from the low efficiency of these cooler-recuperators. This is a purely engineering miscalculation made at the time of designing the installation. However, maybe the guys were pushing off from the terms of reference, we don’t know this I just know that recalculating the heat transfer coefficient of a heat exchanger is a common task for a profile engineer.

[GSH-18]

It was proposed "to equip each destroyer with two additional diesel engines, starting in the event of failure of gas turbine units."

It is noted that this will require tens of millions of pounds.

Smelling a drink again
But isn’t it easier, and most importantly cheaper, to improve this intercooler-recuperator, since the only problem is it? As I understand it, this unit simply can not cope with heat transfer in conditions of increased temperature of sea water, as a cooler
Well, what's the problem for Rolls-Royce engineers ???
Loot, loot, loot! more, more, more!

[gridasov]

Alas, everything is somewhat wrong. Modern turbines operate in extreme conditions. Nothing can be squeezed out of them. The problem rested on the fundamental questions of physics.

[GSH-18]

Quote: gridasov

The problem rested on the fundamental questions of physics.

What kind of physics, dear? This is a gas turbine engine and not a nuclear reactor! Thermodynamics is more likely here. And more precisely, the cant of the cooling system, not designed for the increased temperature of the cooling sea water.

[gridasov]

Do you think there were no people willing to count a million times? By the way, you are not far from the truth, just not a nuclear reactor in a passive process, but in a dynamic one. In addition, the processes of not only thermodynamics, but also a complex of other phenomena. Since there is not enough mind to analyze the processes in the hydrodynamic flow itself and to relate this to the processes on the surfaces of the outflow, there is no solution to the problem. Therefore, it is physics and mathematics, which allows us to describe complex processes. In general, do not take what is said seriously.

[Cat man null]

Quote: gridasov

In general, do not take what is said seriously

- Are you seriously sure that someone else is doing it? After "fractals" and other jokes (I don't remember them now by name, but it's lazy to look for them)
- and, if I understood correctly, you now have a new "love". Her Majesty Expiration Surface..
- But what about fractals?

[oleg-gr]

This gene pool affects. Anglo-Saxons climb everywhere and teach everyone. Have the UN Security Council tried to complain about "the water of the wrong temperature"? Surely Iran, using a nuclear power plant, heats up some water in the Gulf and ships break down ... Ask Iran, they will gladly make you a hole below the waterline. And not just one.

[cniza]

Still those warriors, bring an iceberg with you.

[NEXUS]

Quote: cniza

Still those warriors, bring an iceberg with you.

Something in the Kingdom of NATO recently has either broken, collided, or overheated ... maybe God has made it so transparent that it’s time to stop the spread of dermocracy around the world ...

[Dam]

democracy - a highly contagious disease transmitted through rape of the state of the victim, is treated with nuclear moxibustion

[Wiruz]

No, well, these Derings, of course, those other freaks
In the literal sense, ugly ships.

[mav1971]

Quote: seti

Already, water is not like that. Do not forget to impose sanctions against Iran.

In another source of this news, there was an explanation. that turbines and, accordingly, generators at equatorial and near equatorial latitudes reduce speed. And this is the result of the laws of physics ...

Of course, I gloomily remember something, that there are different conditions for the physical coefficients at different latitudes. Can someone say why the representative of the turbine manufacturer in the PP company referred specifically to physics? I would like to know. what is the physics of such turbines that slow down at these latitudes? Only the temperature and humidity of the ambient air, changes the overall temperature of the turbine components and assemblies, bringing it into critical conditions and forcing to reduce speed? Or are there geographical influences?

[gridasov]

In fact, there is a whole range of cumulative factors that can affect the operation of a turbine and generally affect its quality factor. It is physical processes that determine the processes of the outflow of air or water on the blades, which cause the phenomenon of cavitation. However, cavitation processes are also a consequence of the transformation of the potential energy of the medium itself, which is caused by the fact that the algorithms for the movement of hydrodynamic flows are not properly organized. Nevertheless, they solve a problem or a given problem by the shape of the blades, its material or cooling, which do not solve this problem. Therefore, it is quite possible that the composition of water and its temperature can affect the processes of occurrence of such physical phenomena on the surfaces of the outflow. Well, cavitation processes are destructive.
It is worth adding that there are no methods for analyzing turbulent flows, and in particular the phase when the effects of transformation of the substance of the flow medium begin to appear. Therefore, only experimental methods remain that do not give results for the improvement of turbines. But the worst part is that no one wants to hear about fundamentally new approaches to solving this problem, which are the same for everyone.

[dvina71]

Quote: mav1971

Maybe someone will say why the representative of the turbine manufacturer in the PP company referred specifically to the physicist

The only thing that comes to my mind as an engine operator is that the warmer the air, the less air, or oxygen, in volume.
Turbines and coolers are installed on auto engines, even in winter the engine is noticeably more cheerful than in hot summers, especially with a load.
So the ducts do not have a sufficient section to give the necessary amount of oxygen. and Second - the turbine has a supercharger in the first circuit, perhaps it works at the limit of possibilities. Then its capacity will not be enough to adequately compress hot air, which will lead to a decrease in the power of the turbine as a whole.

[gridasov]

You are all right. Why do you need to understand the physics of the process? Because, indeed, in order to obtain an "explosion", it is necessary to compress the hydro-gas dynamic flow, but the exploded flow is, firstly, always a substance with all properties, secondly, the explosion of this substance is called cavitation, and thirdly, if the design is not correct, these processes are negative, since cavitation occurs on the surface of the outflow of the blade of the blade, and not in not it, and secondly, the flow cavitates only in a certain zone. This means that the task of both physicists and engineers is, firstly, to blow up the entire cross-section of the flow, and secondly, to bring the cavitation zone beyond the plane of contact with the blade as an outflow surface. What do we get then? We get not only an expanded scale and temperature of a hydro-gas dynamic flow, but also any quality of this flow. Therefore, I always speak about correctly organized process algorithms. But then all the processes take place according to the principles that are understandable to nuclear physicists, because the processes are identical to the effects in nuclear reactions.

[gridasov]

Everything will become clear if an association is made between such a process, when the application of power on the motor shaft does not make it possible to spin the propulsion unit further. I hope this is known. that the propeller or screw cannot be unwound above a certain critical level. The same thing in the turbine. Only warm water at the inlet limits the scale of the hydro-gas-dynamic flow conversion on the turbine rotor shaft. The only question is that modern physics does not determine such a relationship, and mathematics is not able to describe complex processes.

[Panikovsky]

Quote: seti

Already, water is not like that. Do not forget to impose sanctions against Iran.

only they did not argue about Iran, but for the northern seas, i.e. against us, against Russia. There are no elevated temperatures. Destroyers-dering is a serious enemy, there is no irony.

[jjj]

Even the British boasted that they discovered and escorted our boat, 636 Ave. Our ministry of defense replied that it’s very difficult not to find a boat that is being towed to the Black Sea Fleet in an emergency

[dvina71]

Quote: jjj

in tow lead to the Black Sea Fleet

Not in tow, but accompanied.

[vanavatny]

you can always hire the Baltic states and give them oars

[behemot]

why hire? and so they stick out their tongue and will try, free of charge.

[Vladimirets]

“In each destroyer will have to make additional holes below the waterline, where the diesel will be installed”

Cool "modernization".

[vorobey]

Quote: Vladimirets

Cool "modernization".

Wait Oleg Kaptsov (SWEET_SIXTEEN) will come running and weigh all the Lyuli ... Hello Zheka ..

[Vladimirets]

Quote: vorobey

Wait Oleg Kaptsov (SWEET_SIXTEEN) will come running and weigh all the Lyuli ...

And quickly prove that just a diesel, stuck in a hole in the hull, this is what you need for a miracle destroyer. I didn’t understand the current. Will a diesel be thrust through a hole from outside to inside or vice versa?
Hi Sanya.

[Runx135]

I know guys eager to make this modernization, at least partially, for all English battleships, not just for free, but even at their own expense.

[nazar_0753]

Interestingly, if these destroyers are shoved into polar waters, will they work or not? I think it’s unlikely. It turns out that these ships were built exclusively for the latitudes of the UK, plus or minus 10 degrees?

[NEXUS]

Quote: nazar_0753

It turns out that these ships were built exclusively for the latitudes of the UK, plus or minus 10 degrees?

Better exclusively for downtime in the ports of the UK for eternal fun.

[vorobey]

Quote: NEXUS

in the ports of Great Britain for eternal fun.

you still need to pin up with a ball or bastion .. for reliability ...

[NEXUS]

Quote: vorobey

you still need to pin up with a ball or bastion .. for reliability ...

I’m afraid they will not reach the Ball or the Bastion stupidly.

[mav1971]

Quote: nazar_0753

Interestingly, if these destroyers are shoved into polar waters, will they work or not? I think it’s unlikely. It turns out that these ships were built exclusively for the latitudes of the UK, plus or minus 10 degrees?

They will be great - the turbines work perfectly where it is colder ...

[gavrosh.ru]

yeah - but I just remembered how the forum users cherished, the decision of ours, to equip the current deflated destroyers with proven diesels, and what will they say now? not having its own reliable turbines is the right decision. but about amers - Aegis, he is also covered in Aegis in Africa. And they seem to be okay with that. even in tow (after all, auxiliary power generators there are definitely reliable ones)

[Yak-15]

Probably not in the subject but ... English in my opinion is very vile. When you hear him, the impression is that a lisping de-beat says with a male penis in his mouth. IMHO.

[Wiruz]

Simply, in the West, until the 17th century, hygiene was considered almost a mortal sin. Imagine now the Englishman of those times, with rotten, half-scattered teeth; sick with any infection - of course, the sounds made by the mouth will be hissing, lisping, burr. Fu

As the saying goes: Europe, in order not to stink, invented perfumes, and Russia - a bath

[Yak-15]

I really liked your explanation. Very reasoned.

[mav1971]

Quote: YAK-15

Probably not in the subject but ... English in my opinion is very vile. When you hear him, the impression is that a lisping de-beat says with a male penis in his mouth. IMHO.

And if I burry?
Or lisp for physiological reasons?

I would either try to smash you right away and without brakes, regardless of your size and status ... From one similar phrase that you said ...

Z.Y. My ex-speech therapist-defectologist - the number of her clients. rolls over the number of speech therapists and their capabilities ....

[Yak-15]

Why are you comparing a member with a finger. One thing is a separate flaw in a person, another thing, the whole English herd is. Do you catch the difference?

[Anglorussian]

all english herd

Refused in a visa?

[Yak-15]

Thinking fine. At the shekel and visa levels. I feel sorry for you, u-gods ..

[Anglorussian]

Thinking fine. At the shekel and visa levels

Pounds. Pity yourself. Lead when the bad roads are finished, you will remain the only misfortune of Russia.

[Yak-15]

Well why. After all, there is also you, and there are a great many like you.

[Anglorussian]

Well why. After all, there is also you, and there are a great many like you.

There are many like you. How many languages ​​do you know? I am three.

[An60]

If you speak, as you write in Russian, then your level of knowledge of the language is like a prisoner of war.

[Anglorussian]

I write through transliteration.

Your level of language knowledge as a prisoner of war

And prisoners of war again are not stupid ..

[Anglorussian]

English in my opinion is very vile.

Learn it first. Then maybe unhealthy life and associations will disappear.

[Yak-15]

Why are you so enraged? Was it a shame for the owners? Tell me more here that this is Shakespeare’s language. There are such idiots repeat such nonsense. This is the poorest language, which has up to 60 different meanings per word, and with such an opposite meaning and purpose. I’m not speaking, directly about the Soldafon’s constructions of phrases that are not subject to any change. And if we talk about correct, not correct and semi-correct verbs, which need to be memorized more than one hundred and fifty pieces, then this is generally the top of everything. And in general, a lot of things. It is a language of information and clerks.

[Anglorussian]

Why are you so enraged? Was it a shame for the owners?

Yes, memorization is necessary .. trouble .. You remind me very much of the great Ukrainians who extolled their nightingale move before all the rest by means of stupid arguments. English is very rich, whether you like it or not. The fact is that it is spoken by a lot of people in many places, representing mainly developed countries. And yes, how many technical and scientific terms came into Russian from English, and how many into English from Russian? However, you should argue about the taste of oysters with those who poorly speak this language, and your level (judging by the archive of comments) is superb, as my grandfather told me.

[Yak-15]

Yes, you’re my friend, just judge by the comments archive. I look and the pluses are still playing. It is spoken by many people. The language of criminals and killers. This, at least you need to know how it spread in this world.

[Anglorussian]

This, at least you need to know how it spread in this world.

As well as all other international languages. Russian is no exception.

The language of criminals and killers

Like French go? By the way, the notorious Ukrainians use the same argument when they praise their nightingale mov. There is no originality ...

[Yak-15]

Yes, they have something to do with? And what is better French? The same burrowing burrow, behind which flows of human blood. Again, a member with a finger comparing? What the bearers of the English infamy brought to the peoples and what the Russians brought to the peoples. Or no courses? From the Crusades to the organization of the last two World Wars?

[Anglorussian]

What brought the people of the English infamous people

Lavois, Faraday, Edison, Louis Renault, Lorenz, Darrell, Darwin, Watt, Fleming. Very many names that brought very much to humanity. Or has everything been developed in Russia? Where did you get such cheap censorship-level chauvinism? Are there exactly Ukrainian roots? And everyone wrote history with blood. Or has Russia never waged aggressive wars?

Again, a member with a finger comparing?

But intelligence is at its best ...

[Yak-15]

One of the laws of psychology states that one should speak with an opponent in his language that he understands, in order to achieve full understanding and to avoid all kinds of misunderstandings. Your language and intellect at the level of shekel and visa. The unconscious always gives out the nature and essence of the vis-a-vis. So, you would look after yourself, and only then with the conclusions ....

[Anglorussian]

One of the laws of psychology states that

Does a kitchen chauvinist teach me life? Interesting ... Well, what about intelligence, read the English-language authors in the original? Or all thoughts are limited to superiority solovyinoi movi the hardening of all the others? (and homoeroticism ) It was like a good site, but the censor became ..

shekels and visas

In Britain, pounds are in use. Or do you care what money is in your pocket?

[gavrosh.ru]

why did you attack the guy so much - sharashite terminology - well, he doesn’t like it - well, he wrote. in Russian like write everything on the forum
Here Lomonosov had to give an eye for Russian - moreover, he was the only Russian at the academic council. The YAK-15 is almost ready for a duel (judging by the comments) so it won’t

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Anglorussian

Lavoise, Faraday, Edison, Louis Renault, Lorenz, Darrell,

Louis pederast Lussac forgot. I did not want to insult, this is all auto-moderator.

[Anglorussian]

Louis bugger Lussac forgot

And I thought, who is missing! Not all laurels are to Tchaikovsky alone!

[Anglorussian]

I did not want to insult, this is all auto-moderator.

It was interesting ... When in honor of him somewhere in France they called a street, then a few blue boys gathered there to mark it! Serezno, they did not know what was happening (like the car moderator) and decided that this scientist was from their kind of brigade ..

[Anglorussian]

This is the poorest language with up to 60 different meanings per word.

Give me that word. Minusers, did you skip English or did you stay in the second year because of it?

that it is Shakespeare’s language. There are such idiots repeat such nonsense.

And also Hemingway, Jack London, Ray Bradbury, Larry Niven, Theodore Dreiser .. And still very much and very many others. Read though you alone in the original, how much English is poor. And yes, learn in French you need a lot more.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Anglorussian

Jack London

And why did D. London almost never mention the Russians? Moreover, he wrote quite a lot about the former Russian lands, Alaska and California. The only time, in my opinion, he mentioned the Russians in "Wolf Larsen", when his poachers were frightened by the smoke of the steamer on the horizon - was it not a Russian watchdog? Shackles not shackled? Russophobe this London, no?

[Anglorussian]

And why did D. London almost never mention the Russians?

Probably there was nothing to tell, but his style was laconic. Russophobia did not seem to be noticed behind him. And the Russian settlers kept apart from the Anglo-Saxons (probably). If the writer writes a novel about Parisians and does not mention the Senegalese living there, this does not mean that he does not like them, they just have nothing to do with his story.

[dvina71]

Quote: Anglorussian

Probably there was nothing to tell, but his style was laconic. Russophobia did not seem to be noticed behind him. And the Russian settlers kept apart from the Anglo-Saxons (probably).

Dear .. Tell me why among the world chess champions there are practically no native English speakers?
Never asked such a question?
Then answer one more ... Native speakers of which language have become world champions more often than others?
Tell me where is Russophobia? Then study the biography of the champion from the USA - Robert Fisher. Very informative. By the way, he explains why he, a native English speaker, was able to become a world chess champion.

[Anglorussian]

among world chess champions there are practically no native English speakers?

Because chess in the west is not popular from the word at all. (When I suggested that the landlord play a game, he looked at me like a starship pilot) And, accordingly, no one is interested in this. Why didn't Jamaica give the world a single hockey player?

[mav1971]

Quote: dvina71

Then answer one more ... Native speakers of which language have become world champions more often than others?

By the way, the ability to play chess perfectly at the grandmaster level is absolutely not correlated with the development of mental activity.

Only memory and nothing but memory.
memory of all possible development options - debuts, endgames, etc.
And this is not my opinion - this is the opinion of our brain scientists.
People are well-hungered for memory, able to remember several thousand variations and remember about each of them in time.
But there is no multilateral analysis, or genius, in chess players.

[gridasov]

Memory is a very abstract concept. Sooner or later, people will learn the principles by which momentum is distributed in such a way that it allows you to create a structure and mechanism for archiving or storing. I think that now a person is not even able to perceive both the mechanism and the process.

[mav1971]

Quote: gridasov

Memory is a very abstract concept. Sooner or later, people will learn the principles by which momentum is distributed in such a way that it allows you to create a structure and mechanism for archiving or storing. I think that now a person is not even able to perceive both the mechanism and the process.

I would advise a normal ordinary person to see Sergey Savelyev.
A person who in everyday language can tell a lot about the brain and related to the brain ..

You. Mr. Gridasov. I will not advise, your brain is not from this universe ...
and physical and chemical laws - in your reality - do not exist.
You yourself have been broadcasting about this for many years.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Anglorussian

And the Russian settlers kept themselves apart from the Anglo-Saxons (probably).

Baranov forbade selling weapons to the Indians, but the Angles did it, and the Indians considered them to be their allies (unlike ours). And they sent this weapon to our settlers. So here you may be right. However, I read that it was Russian Gold Digger who ordered tailor Lewis with double-seam canvas pants and rivet pockets, and Russian settlers were quite active in selling products with the same gold prospectors. So the question of London's Russophobia for me hung in the air.

[Anglorussian]

the question of Russophobia in London for me hung in the air.

He certainly did not write anything bad about the Russians and did not condemn them. There was simply no place for Russians in his works. And yes, I quickly looked through the meager Old Russians, really kept their circle in those days.

[Mordvin 3]

Quote: Anglorussian

He didn’t write anything bad about Russians and didn’t condemn them.

But nothing good. As if there were none. Well, to hell with it, our argument is unproductive. No offense.

[Anglorussian]

But nothing good either. As if they were not there.

He did not treat the Russians either good or bad. He had nothing to do with the Russians at all. Yes, and was not familiar with the Russian hoot, so without knowing, I did not write. Imagine a Brazilian in Recife reading us (studied in Moscow ) and wonders what we think of him.

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Quote: Anglorussian

There was simply no place for Russians in his works

It was.

Lost face. (Lost Face)

[Anglorussian]

It was.

I don’t remember, I’ll say right away and honestly.

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This is Kipling, Three Seals

Russian law is harsh to the poacher and it’s better not to joke with it -
It is better to accept death from a bullet than to rot alive in Siberia.

Option
For the Russian law is harsh - it’s better to substitute the chest for the bullet,
How to rot bones alive in mines where they dig lead and mercury

For life it is that is worse than death, by force of Russian law
To work in the mines of mercury that loose the teeth in your jaw

(Because life is worse than death, when, according to Russian law, you will work in mercury mines, losing your teeth).

[Anglorussian]

a lisping de-beat with a male penis in his mouth.

Mushiyo knows a lot about perversions ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: YAK-15

the impression that the lisping says

- your opinion is interesting about, for example, the Polish language
- for fun, I remembered and sang to myself a couple of songs from the old ones (The Beatles, Queen). I did not find any "lisp" there ...

I am dumb and apparently vigilant

PS: translate into Russian without losing meaning and shades. It’s not easy, but you try - you won’t regret

Quote: Queen - Innuendo

You can be anything you want to be. Just turn yourself into anything you think that you could ever be.

[Ruslan67]

Quote: Cat Man Null

I am dumb and apparently vigilant

Still shaggy and skinny Roma Are you still not tired of chasing dolboers? Or maybe it's time to bite with a mouse under 159 valerian?

[Cat man null]

Quote: Ruslan67

Still shaggy and skinny

Um .. I'm glad to see you too

Quote: Ruslan67

Aren't you tired of chasing blowers yet?

They are funny By the way, here Gridasov is on the line .. at least it was about 15 minutes ago

UPD: Gridasov has already dumped. Seen felt something

Quote: Ruslan67

And then maybe it's time to bite with a mouse under 159 valerian?

So I don’t remember only who first suggested this to me ... Isn’t Uncle unforgettable Joe

With a mouse - I can’t. My cat's name is Mouse. And valerian - cats will devour me ... No, nunafik ...

Mouse:

[dvina71]

Quote: Cat Man Null

You can be anything you want to be. Just turn yourself into anything you think that you could ever be.

It’s not difficult to translate, as in any poems, the quality depends on the ability of the translator. Since I studied English as a translator of technical texts at a university, you yourself understand what I’ll translate ..
You can be whoever you want
Just force yourself to do it ..
Not very poetic.
And a request to you .. translate the English saying about currants, which is black and red because it is green.?

[Anglorussian]

You can be whoever you want
Just force yourself to do it ..

Your translation is completely nonexistent. Solicited to indecent. To translate a translation, and get it, is not quite right. you can be whoever you want just force yourself to do it ...

[Cat man null]

Quote: dvina71

And a request to you .. translate the English saying about currants, which is black and red because it is green.?

First, the "fairy tale" in the original sounds like this:

- Is it black?
- No, it's red.
“Why is she white?”
- But because it’s green.

Secondly, the pun is untranslatable. And it is present in many languages.

Ninthly, your translation does not correspond to the initial conditions of the problem: "translate into Russian without loss of meaning and shades." The whole joke is in the second line, of course

[dvina71]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Ninthly, your translation does not correspond to the initial conditions of the problem: "translate into Russian without losing meaning and shades

Only a qualified translator with poetic inclinations can transmit shades. I studied as a technical translator. The text of the translation should be simple and as close as possible to the meaning. They didn’t explain anything about shades to us.
You are wrong about the pretext. Rather, you do not understand the meaning. Approach straightforwardly.
In addition, you have a question. Which native speakers have become the world chess champions the most? I would say ... an overwhelming majority.
This is not just a question. Our consciousness and way of thinking is formed by language.
The most difficult international logic game, testing the ability of the brain ..

[Anglorussian]

You can be anything you want to be. Just turn yourself into anything you think that you could ever be.

You can be whoever you want, just deprive yourself of everything you want to be anything you think you could ever be.

[Cat man null]

Quote: Anglorussian

You can be anything you want to be. Just turn yourself into anything you think that you could ever be.

You can be whoever you want, just turn yourself into anything you think you could ever be

- Yes something like that
- I would say not "you can be", but "you can become", I would remove "everything" ... in short, something like this:

You can become whatever you want, just turn into what you think you could ever be

- I’m not a translator even once, English is purely for work, so I realize that my version is clearly not a masterpiece
- but, KMK, it is simply impossible to translate this twist into Russian "without losses and sloppy"

IMHO, essno.

[Anglorussian]

- Yes something like that

Thank you I want to say that I was faced with a slightly different problem - my Russian for 12 years on the siding has not become as rich as before. IMHO you can article-you tsan become. A total-Yes, obviously superfluous. And it isessentially in the original it is all much more beautiful.

[Anglorussian]

-you tsan betsome

You can become, obviously

[Parsec]

And your Russian will be even worse if you don’t put the Russian keyboard and you will transliterate.

[Anglorussian]

And your Russian will be even worse

Worse than your English will definitely not be.

[Parsec]

I do not know...

[Parsec]

Quote: Anglorussian

And isessno in the original is all much more beautiful.

Midshipman Rzhevsky is going to an officer meeting and demands from the messenger:
“Tell me, Vanka, some picnic anecdote.”
“Sorry, your ford, but not an Ankedote, so poem, sir.”
Clipper goes by the sea
On clipper skipper
Skipper tripper
- Sharman, sham!
In the officers meeting
- Gentlemen, the spicy anecdote told me a well, not an anecdote, well, a rhyme.
Imagine - the Persian Gulf, an aircraft carrier is figurative, five thousand people are crew - and everyone has syphilis.
And isessno in the original is all much more beautiful.

[gavrosh.ru]

lisping? and in the mouth? ek deformed you dear

[dobrik10]

And what are they designed for? Around Britain to wind circles?

[vorobey]

Quote: dobrik10

And what are they designed for? Around Britain to wind circles?

to carry royal persons ... it is also written there ... Rolls-Royce

[sgazeev]

Quote: vorobey

Quote: dobrik10

And what are they designed for? Around Britain to wind circles?

to carry royal persons ... it is also written there ... Rolls-Royce

They had an engine at the turn of the 70s, an omnivore, was shown at the British exhibition in Moscow. It seems to have degraded after British scientists.

[srelock]

It is noted that this will require tens of millions of pounds. According to the newspaper, "each destroyer will have to make additional holes below the waterline where the diesel will be installed."

Or maybe it’s better to make a hole in the gas ducts in front of the recuperator and equip the damper ...

Possible embodiment:

[mav1971]

Quote: srelock

It is noted that this will require tens of millions of pounds. According to the newspaper, "each destroyer will have to make additional holes below the waterline where the diesel will be installed."

Or maybe it’s better to make a hole in the gas ducts in front of the recuperator and equip the damper ...

Possible embodiment:

Apparently, the English designers simply focused on the server seas - and forgot about the southern seas.
The same automotive highly accelerated turbocharged engines are equipped with efficient intercoolers.
It is for cooling the intake air.
Maybe the Angles forgot about it?

[srelock]

Quote: mav1971

Apparently the English designers simply focused on the server seas - and forgot about the southern seas

It is obvious. Delivers a way to solve problems for tens of millions of pounds

The same automotive highly accelerated turbocharged engines are equipped with efficient intercoolers.
It is for cooling the intake air.
Maybe the Angles forgot about it?

Nah.
The recuperator cools the exhaust gas and heats the air entering the compressor, i.e. increases the temperature and pressure in the compressor station, and therefore - increases the rate of gas outflow in front of the turbine, its power and efficiency at the same fuel consumption.
The intercooler cools the air already compressed by the compressor, which allows more oxygen to be driven into the cylinders at a constant compression ratio and to increase the power of the internal combustion engine, and with it the fuel consumption.

[Pitot]

Well, that’s very good. Build these further .....

[Bort radist]

The water is not so warm and wet. Britain used to sail the seas, but now it’s floating more and more.

[spech]

After sending destroyers to the Persian Gulf, complaints about engine failure became permanent.

So do not fuck you do there! Swim to your island and everything will be fine there

[masiya]

And there’s no figs hanging around where you’re sitting in your Northern latitudes and on the Gulf Stream and there will be no problems, you will save Shikikoku pounds for the British budget, maybe rebuild Islamic mosques for refugees, and there’s nowhere for them to read allah akbar ... poor ...

[Mercenary]

The whole crew on oars or a dozen freezers with air conditioning! Well Dumb!

[HAM]

Well, this is warm water, and the custodians quickly faded from the war, it is probably also wet! ??

[behemot]

oops, are Kremlin agents again? No, personally, villain Putin, he warmed up the water, it's obvious! Now the savior of Europe (drum roll !!!) Ukraine, or rather the SBU with long hands, will solve the problem.

[Yury rus]

These are not gas turbine engines that are not adapted, but a miscalculation in the cooling system. The system is most likely designed for water up to 26 grams. (36 gr. there), air up to 30 gr. (there 40-45 gr. Together, this leads to thermal overload, which leads to serious breakdowns. In short: the British apparently did not expect to have to walk in such areas.

[Anglorussian]

Soviet nuclear-powered submarines have the same problem, so do not throw one of them into the Antarctic.

[Parsec]

What class of ships do you mean?

[Anglorussian]

What class of ships do you mean?

Arktika-class nuclear icebreakers

[Parsec]

Why are there heavy atomic icebreakers?

[Anglorussian]

Why are there heavy atomic icebreakers?

It seemed like it was necessary to break someone’s ship stuck there from the ice. (The team was removed in advance) The South African icebreaker made it.

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Thirty years before that cost. Then they came out late, got into the winter, in addition gasped about stones with a violation of the strength of the Somov case.

/// July 9, Vladivostok entered the ice and began to make its way to Mikhail Somov. Ships were separated by about 900 km of ice fields. Despite the unfavorable flying conditions on a polar night, experienced polar pilots managed to abandon the necessary food and wintering equipment for the crew of Mikhail Somov, as people there already experienced hardships, aggravated every day. At the end of July, the Sun approached the horizon; polar dawn dusk began. Regular helicopter operations became possible. Ships at that time shared 90-125 km of heavy ice. It was still unclear whether he could overcome it. Using ice dilutions weakened by areas indicated by ice reconnaissance, Vladivostok stubbornly made its way forward. Finally, on July 26, he came close to Mikhail Somov, chopped him up and took him for wiring. The ships moved slowly north to clear water.

By August 5, vessels left the zone of heavy ice, but about 500 km remained to the edge of them and exit to clean water. However, these ices did not cause serious difficulties. It was possible to celebrate the release of "Mikhail Somov" from captivity .///

There was something about South Africans and there was nothing.

[Anglorussian]

There was something about South Africans and there was nothing.

The situation I am talking about happened in the 2000s with an American (seemingly) ship.

[TsUS-Air Force]

so them so !!! how frosts fettered the armies of Napoleon and Hitler so the heat will melt US ships

[atamankko]

The thought comes to mind about a bad dancer, to whom something is hindering.

[voyaka uh]

I don’t see anything wrong.
There was a problem with unusual operating conditions.
Found a constructive solution. Changes will be made (installation of additional diesel engines).

[sharp-lad]

And most importantly below the waterline! Which will affect the decrease in ballast weight without reducing stability and without increasing displacement.

[R-22]

No no no - the solution is that holes are needed below the waterline))) where these diesels will be inserted))) a brilliant idea! Tell me, is the trip of the destroyer "mistress of the seas" to the Persian Gulf - is it UNUSUAL operating conditions? Laughter and shame and only, although personally I am only glad of this state of affairs of the Anglo-Saxon fleet)))

[Anglorussian]

only happy with this state of affairs of the Anglo-Saxon fleet)))

This can only mean that the Anglo-Saxon fleet was originally built for operations in the northern seas ... Even the technical tasks of the shipbuilders talk about this .. Is it still bursting with joy?

[weksha50]

"" In each destroyer you will have make additional holes below the waterline, where the diesel will be installed "" ...

Eh ... after all, there are good and simple ways to do this ...

[R-22]

And the Yankees, too, will have an additional extension below the waterline, but more)))))))))))

[Cananecat]

In short ... we drive the heels of the nuclear submarines to Britain and throw overboard the boiler connected to the reactor ... let them stand in the bases

[aszzz888]

After sending destroyers to the Persian Gulf, complaints about engine failure became permanent. During operation, the turbines overheat and fail, "

To each diesel screw on the refrigerator! In general, the more often the failure, the better! Give overheating! D, B!

[Evil 55]

In the head they overheat, that's all ...

[eugene]

Naglosaksa also entered the lists of idiots.
Unfortunately, the number of competent engineering personnel around the world stubbornly strives for "0".
This is natural with "our" common system of "education" with them.
What ... education? Formation of "cancerous tumors" from oligarchs on the body of our countries.

[Sergey333]

Nature itself tells them: there is nothing to do in this bay, get out, in your arrogance

[Wolka]

it is with the Saxons, and how are things going in this case, our power plants do not heat up like that ???

[Anglorussian]

our power plants do not get warm this way ???

Of course they don’t heat up. They are not easy.

[K-50]

each destroyer will have to make additional holes below the waterline, where the diesel will be installed

As always, the journalists "Zhgut"!
It is not only necessary to make a "hole" there. The space itself is needed for the installation of "diesels", laying of new pipelines, control systems and much more.
But in general, every "splash" of a potential enemy is a balm on the heart!

[Kudrevkn]

Did this problem appear only now and on the new "45" electric vehicles and only among the British? In 1988 at the BS in the Persian Gulf and at 956 and 1155 we had similar problems with the cooling of the "mechanics" (water intake temperature 42-45, air 50-54. 65-70 degrees in MO. Body heating up to 45?) ! I remember when approaching Socotra they intercepted a radiogram - a request from the American EM for fresh water? I had to develop the maximum speed, on the way to drain almost all of my reserves (even additional NZ 100t) and take the entire supply of fresh water in the port of Socotra, "so that the enemy does not get it!" Americans then on Socotra "sunbathed" for almost a week. waiting for the tanker! So, guys, service in the tropics isn't going to a resort for you?

[Valery 1979]

As always something interferes with a bad dancer

[Engineer]

That's why for some reason, on the French analogue of the British type 45, they immediately made a combined diesel-gas turbine propulsion system, and the British put only a turbine. It is certainly simpler and cheaper, but now the avaricious will pay twice. It is interesting to note that, unlike the Rolls-Royce WR-21, the General Electric LM2500 GTD is delivered to many countries and with a very hot climate, and I have not heard about such problems, although it may have been identified and eliminated for a long time because of this prevalence. But, on the other hand, unlike the Germans, French, Italians, we, unfortunately, etc., etc., the British have their own ship cargo ship.

[Denis Skiff]

I wonder in what conditions it can be operated? Does FSA have the same parsley with appliances?

[Ros 56]

Well, do the holes below the waterline already, but why put a diesel engine, and drown without them.

[Ze Kot]

“It was proposed“ to equip each destroyer with two additional diesel engines that would start in the event of a gas turbine failure ”.

And also put paddle wheels on the sides with pedal drive and equip places for rowers with oars.