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The project of modernization of tanks M1A2 SEP v.3 (USA)

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Main combat Tanks existing models can no longer fully meet modern requirements. This leads to the need to create a completely new technology or requires the modernization of existing samples. So, the American defense industry is currently creating a new project to upgrade existing M1A2 Abrams tanks. The new project received the designation M1A2 SEP v.3 and is a further development of similar developments of previous years.


Modernization of tanks M1A2 for projects of the SEP family (System Enhanced Package - “Advanced Systems Package”) has been carried out since the late nineties. The first version of the SEP project involved the use of enhanced frontal armor with uranium elements, the use of modernized sights with thermal imaging channels, the integration of tank electronics into the latest communications and command and control systems. Some other changes were also present when saving most of the components and assemblies.

By the end of the last decade, a new version of the project was created with the designation SEP v.2. This time the power plant was improved, the fire control system and its individual elements were updated, and new means of communication were used. In addition, in the M1A2 SEP v.2 project, some ideas and technologies developed as part of the Future Combat Systems program were used. According to The Military Balance 2016, the US Army currently has 1593 tanks M1A2 SEP v.2. At the same time, most of the M1A2 family tanks have not yet been upgraded for new projects.

The project of modernization of tanks M1A2 SEP v.3 (USA)
The first show of the tank M1A2 SEP v.3. Photo Armyrecognition.com


Later it was decided to develop a new project to modernize the existing main tanks in order to further improve their performance. The new project SEP v.3 involves updating the tanks with the “package” of the second version by installing some new equipment and updating their ammunition. At this time, the requirements for the modernization of tanks relate not only to electronic equipment, sights, etc., but also used ammunition.

The most notable innovations of the project SEP v.3 relate to the ammunition of the main tank guns. In the laying of tanks should appear two new types of projectile, with which the crews will be able to solve various combat missions. It is noteworthy that such a modernization of the tank led to the need to develop and introduce some new equipment for working with ammunition.

To increase the potential of the tank M1A2 SEP v.3 in the fight against enemy armored vehicles, a new armor-piercing projectile with improved characteristics was developed. Together with existing products in the future it is proposed to use armor-piercing sub-caliber shells of the M829E4 AKE type (Advanced Kinetic Energy - “Advanced Kinetic Energy”), developed by Orbital ATK. The M829E4 product is a unitary ammunition for the 120-mm M256 tank guns and is equipped with an armor-piercing piercing-assault projectile with a detachable tray. By improving the shape of the projectile and the use of new materials, the new ammunition is characterized by higher armor penetration characteristics.

In July last year, the M829E4 AKE projectile successfully passed the first stage of qualification tests, which made it possible to continue work and begin to determine future prospects. So, by the end of 2015, it was planned to manufacture and test the first pre-production batch of shells. By that time, the Pentagon and Orbital ATK had time to sign several contracts, implying the delivery of new projectiles for a total of about 80 million dollars.

In the foreseeable future, tests of the new projectile will be completed, after which it will be put into service and will fully enter into the ammunition package of the tanks being upgraded. According to some reports, the M829E4 armor-piercing projectile can also be used by other M1A2 tanks that have not been upgraded by SEP family projects.

The most important innovation should be a new projectile being developed under the AMP (Advanced Multi-Purpose - "Improved Multi-Purpose") program and known as the XM1147. The class of this product is defined as HEMP-T (High Explosive Multi-Purpose with Tracer - "Multipurpose high-explosive fragmentation with a tracer"). The project of a new multipurpose projectile was developed by the Armament Research, Development & Engineering Center, subordinate to the Pentagon. The goal of the project was to create a new high-explosive fragmentation projectile, which would significantly expand the range of fire missions solved by tanks.

The core technologies used in the AMP project were said to be ready for use back in the 2006 year, but the full-scale development of the projectile was launched only a few years ago. In its current form, the XM1147 projectile is a unitary ammunition with a total weight of 21 kg. Actually the projectile is made in the form of a feathered product with a programmable fuse. It is possible to explode when in contact with a target, after contact with a certain deceleration or at a given time in air.

It is assumed that the XM1147 projectile will be able to replace several types of ammunition used by the troops. The new projectile will supplant the older cumulative fragmentation M830 HEAT, the multi-purpose air-assisted M830A1 MPAT, the M1028 cartographic and the penetrating M908. The M829E4 armor-piercing projectile will have to replace several similar ammunition of the existing models. Thus, with the help of two new shells, the troops will be able to replace a fairly wide range of ammunition with some increase in characteristics.

The AMP / XM1147 projectile is equipped with a programmable fuse, which makes it possible to increase the efficiency of its use by employing the operating mode most appropriate for the situation. However, to use such functions, the tank must receive new equipment. The M1A2 SEP v.3 project involves the use of ADL (Ammunition Data Link - “Data Transfer to Ammunition”) equipment integrated into the fire control system. The task of the ADL system is to program the projectile fuse with the introduction of data received from the MSA of the tank.


New shells. Figure Bmpd.livejournal.com


The fire control system should also include upgraded aiming devices. The gunner's sight and panoramic commander's sight should now be equipped with IFLIR thermal imaging devices. In addition, the commander's and gunner’s workplaces are proposed to be equipped with high-resolution liquid crystal displays. It is assumed that such a re-equipment of the tank will greatly simplify the detection of targets and their subsequent attack.

As part of the SEP v.3 project, additional tank armament is undergoing significant improvements. A remotely controlled combat module is added to the machine gun mounted above the hatch of the loader and covered with an armored shield with reinforced glass. For mounting on the roof of the tower, next to the commander’s workstation, the CROWS-LP module (Commander's Remote Operated Weapon Station Low Profile - “Commander’s remotely controlled armory low profile setting ”).

The CROWS-LP system is equipped with a large-caliber machine gun M2HB, which is controlled by electric drives. The module receives optoelectronic equipment for monitoring the situation, searching for targets and aiming weapons. The signal from the surveillance system is transmitted to the commander’s workstation. Management is carried out remotely. The placement and equipment of the CROWS-LP combat module allows you to use this system not only for its intended purpose, but also as an additional panoramic sight with limited capabilities.

To supply electricity to all existing and additional systems, it is proposed to use a new type of auxiliary power unit. Taking into account the experience of the combat use of equipment, it was decided to transfer it to the main corps booking with the aim of reducing the risk of defeat.

Recent reports on the SEP v.3 project also mention some reinforcement reservations. The purpose of such improvements is to enhance the overall parameters of the armored hull, with special attention being paid to protection against various explosive devices.

All other components and assemblies of the tank M1A2 SEP v.3 correspond to the previous project of modernization SEP v.2. Thus, within the framework of the new project, it is proposed to use the existing corps and tower, armament, power plant, etc. However, some updates of all these units were implied by previous projects of the SEP family.

The first prototype of the tank M1A2 SEP v.3 was built last year. The first public demonstration of this vehicle was held on 12-15 in October last year during the exhibition of the Association of the US Army AUSA 2015. In the pavilion of the exhibition was presented a tank that received a set of new equipment, the most notable element of which, for obvious reasons, was the new combat module. On the side screens of the prototype tank there was a corresponding marking.

Last fall, it was reported that the modernization of existing tanks under the new project should start in the 2016 fiscal year with the delivery of mass-produced vehicles in the 2017. New works on updating the equipment in accordance with the new project will have to stop the implementation of the modernization of the project SEP v.2. For such work in the budget for the 2016 fiscal year 367,9 million dollars were allocated.

According to recent data, the supply of upgraded tanks were significantly shifted in time. In the meantime, the contracting company has assembled several experienced tanks and is conducting tests. According to foreign press reports, to date, the company General Dynamics Land Systems (GDLS) built seven prototypes of the nine required. These machines have already been handed over to the customer and are now being tested at Hume and Aberdeen test sites.


M1A2 SEP v.3 under test. Photo Nationalinterest.org


It is reported that the tests started at the very beginning of the 2015 and will continue until the spring of the 2020 of the fiscal year. GDLS representatives say that the prototypes are being tested and show themselves well in the conditions of the landfill. The commencement of full operation of the newly upgraded equipment by the army is scheduled for the third quarter of the 2020 fiscal year.

To date, General Dynamics Land Systems has been awarded a contract to upgrade several pre-production samples. After the deliveries, the prototypes will be upgraded and six pre-production tanks will be delivered to the customer in the M1A2 SEP v.3 configuration. Full-fledged serial upgrading of existing equipment will begin no earlier than the end of the current decade. In the plans of the Pentagon there is an update of the entire existing fleet of main tanks M1A2 SEP v.2 in the number of 1593 units.

The next project to upgrade the main tanks M1A2 Abrams involves the use of a number of new systems, including new ones for such equipment, as well as the addition of the existing range of ammunition with new products. It is assumed that such an upgrade of existing equipment will increase its survivability and firepower on the battlefield, as well as improve the basic parameters of search and target detection. Separately, in this context, we should consider a combat module with machine-gun armament, which can be used to combat tank-dangerous targets or as an additional means of monitoring the situation.

According to the latest reports, in the near future, GDLS should complete the delivery of nine pilot tanks, after which the order for upgrading pre-production vehicles will begin. Only then can a full and massive upgrade of the equipment used in the army begin. In total, the new equipment and the latest shells will be able to get up to 1600 tanks, previously upgraded from previous projects. Nevertheless, the first cars from this number will be sent for modernization only in a few years.


On the materials of the sites:
http://armyrecognition.com/
http://army-guide.com/
http://nationalinterest.org/
http://de-la-mitrio.livejournal.com/
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  1. All terrain vehicle
    All terrain vehicle 9 June 2016 07: 20
    +5
    KAZ to introduce traction is not enough?
    1. NEXUS
      NEXUS 9 June 2016 14: 15
      +5
      Quote: Rider
      KAZ to introduce traction is not enough?

      What is KAZ? The mind-loading machine is not enough to deliver.
  2. Tsoy
    Tsoy 9 June 2016 07: 32
    +1
    Is the remote module kinda European? or wrong?
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  4. Voha_krim
    Voha_krim 9 June 2016 07: 41
    +1
    Military Review Video
  5. kugelblitz
    kugelblitz 9 June 2016 07: 55
    +6
    Interestingly, Americans see disdain stol dynamic protection? And OFS finally implemented! lol
    One gets the impression they were developing an anti-tank self-propelled guns, a la Tiger, and not the main tank for the offensive. Karteche to destroy the enemy infantry, it is certainly strong! It remains to give the enemy instructions on the offensive in rows with beats on drums. So I imagine the banners, rebuilding in the form of a square, the signals of officers, the Prussian step, in turn kneeling down the line to empty the Kalash’s horns! wassat
    1. Wedmak
      Wedmak 9 June 2016 09: 30
      +2
      Interestingly, Americans see disdain stol dynamic protection?

      Their Abrams and so forehead is not pierced. Puff ceramics, depleted uranium and filler. Due to the large dimensions of the tank, the thickness of the armor is decent. Not every ATGM will take it.
      One gets the impression they were developing an anti-tank self-propelled gun, a la Tiger

      If this goes on, it will. As I understand it, the mass of V3 has increased.
      1. just exp
        just exp 9 June 2016 10: 13
        +2
        but there are other places besides the forehead. for example the side. but they would not be superfluous to cover them. In addition, the states of the master in electronics. Why KAZ still not done?
        1. Vadim237
          Vadim237 9 June 2016 10: 20
          +6
          Yes, you don’t worry about them, have already covered up -
          1. Wedmak
            Wedmak 9 June 2016 10: 41
            +1
            But aren't these ceramic plates?
            1. Come on
              Come on 10 June 2016 00: 53
              -1
              No, this is DZ, or rather ADZ, or EDZ, you have to dig in nete, I heard something about this DZ in passing. There, electronics is connected to each DZ block, which makes both the reaction and the overall efficiency of the DZ higher.
      2. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 9 June 2016 10: 16
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        . Puff ceramics, depleted uranium and filler.

        That's it, and cumulative ammunition for this uranium with ceramics, by and large, do not care. Not enough explosives? Let's add at least a kilogram ... Dynamic protection is just good and suppresses such, but against BOPS there are already "sandwiches".

        Quote: Wedmak
        If this goes on, it will. As I understand it, the mass of V3 has increased.

        I understand that yes. And how the transmission will take it all is also a good question.
      3. Operator
        Operator 9 June 2016 10: 24
        -5
        2A82 will eat an Abrams sandwich at a time.
        1. TARSUS
          TARSUS 9 June 2016 11: 45
          +3
          Due to what?
          1. Operator
            Operator 9 June 2016 12: 14
            -1
            Due to the kinetic energy of the BPS, which exceeds by 15 percent this figure is for 120-mm L-55.
            1. TARSUS
              TARSUS 9 June 2016 12: 17
              0
              Well, compare M829A3 and Lead 2. You will be surprised.
              1. just exp
                just exp 9 June 2016 12: 20
                +1
                2A82 has new BOPSs. there the lengthening is greater due to the new AZ.
                1. TARSUS
                  TARSUS 9 June 2016 12: 25
                  +1
                  Well, the breakdown characteristics in the studio.
                  1. Operator
                    Operator 9 June 2016 15: 52
                    .
                    Well, interrupt, belolentochny.
          2. Crimean partisan 1974
            Crimean partisan 1974 28 October 2016 10: 02
            0
            due to KUV Invar, and for 5-6 km it will get
      4. serverny
        serverny 9 June 2016 14: 57
        0
        Quote: Wedmak
        Their Abrams and so forehead is not pierced. Puff ceramics, depleted uranium and filler. Due to the large dimensions of the tank, the thickness of the armor is decent. Not every ATGM will take it.

        "Baby" most likely will not take it.
        But the defeat with the penetration of the Saudi Abrams straight into the forehead from the ancient "Fagot" on YouTube is https://youtu.be/O5lEwsqeLyI?t=4m18s.
        As far as I know, the Saudis have "correct" versions of the Abrams, with uranium armor.
        1. TARSUS
          TARSUS 9 June 2016 16: 35
          +3
          Yes, you need to go to the optometrist). Where did you see the frontal projection? ATGM hit the side (in the niche of the tower)
    2. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 June 2016 09: 57
      +5
      "One gets the impression that they were developing an anti-tank SPG" ////

      That is exactly what happened! Abrams was developed in the 70s as a tank destroyer.
      And this is his strongest trait. Maximum forehead strengthened, but left
      weak sides. Therefore, as a means of supporting infantry, it is unsuccessful, and in the city it is failed.

      "Destroy enemy infantry with canister, of course it is strong!" ////

      Topping now is another - with an armor-piercing effect. These are
      tungsten arrows that fly forward in a narrow fan.
      The shell explodes a few dozen meters in front of the target.
      1. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 9 June 2016 10: 21
        0
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Nowadays another one - with armor-piercing effect.

        This is called "from a cannon to the sparrows," and how effective it is against armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles that are increasing their protection is a mystery. Therefore, "according to the fir" and the appointment turns out.

        It is not in vain that all kinds of light (although how light, medium already) armored vehicles are building up calibers. 40 and 57 mm fashion trends, and, accordingly, protection against these shells is also sawn in the future. 30 mm already many hold.
        1. voyaka uh
          voyaka uh 10 June 2016 14: 50
          0
          ", and how effective it is against armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles that are increasing their protection is a mystery." ////

          Kartech - on the infantry. And it has been used many times since the 90s.
          Merkava with engines off was ambushed on the Lebanese border.
          And at night, if you noticed "fireflies", there is buckshot. And the "fireflies" are gradually extinguished ...
          1. kugelblitz
            kugelblitz 10 June 2016 18: 38
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            Quote: voyaka uh
            Kartech - on the infantry. And it has been used many times since the 90s.

            But OFSom could not shy away?
      2. Operator
        Operator 9 June 2016 10: 40
        -1
        Israeli 120-mm projectile with directional expansion of the GGE is stupid to the full extent - it only shoots narrowly along a narrow path strictly in the direction of flight. While the tank will aim the gun at the firing point, it is enough for the ATGM / RPG calculation to shift to the left or right by a small distance and the track will pass by. Moreover, any trench, even in the direction of aiming, will completely protect against flat flying GGE.

        The Russian 125-mm OFS with an air blast and a remote fuse is an order of magnitude more efficient - its fragments hit from above everything that moves within a few tens of meters indiscriminately in the trenches or you try to jerk left and right after firing an ATGM / RPG.
        1. zyablik.olga
          zyablik.olga 9 June 2016 14: 48
          +4
          Quote: Operator
          Russian 125-mm OFS with air blasting and remote fuse more efficiently
          Cut the sturgeon and be careful with the orders, "by an order of magnitude" - this is 10 times. negative Cheers patriotism rolls over?
          1. Operator
            Operator 9 June 2016 15: 59
            -1
            Olga, what is your star-striped hair color?

            Does the foreign formation not allow to distinguish the difference between the areas of a square with a side of 3 meter and a circle with a diameter of 30 meter?
            1. zyablik.olga
              zyablik.olga 10 June 2016 03: 47
              +2
              Quote: Operator
              Olga, what is your star-striped hair color?

              A brown-haired, but think better than you think. Similarly, in other countries there are tank air ammunition. And how many such shells in our combat tank units, do not tell me?
              1. Operator
                Operator 10 June 2016 09: 32
                -2
                "For what purpose are you interested?" (FROM)
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      3. Tsoy
        Tsoy 9 June 2016 18: 00
        +1
        Quote: voyaka uh
        Topping now is another - with an armor-piercing effect. These are
        tungsten arrows that fly forward in a narrow fan.
        The shell explodes a few dozen meters in front of the target.


        Does hydra-xnumx seem to have the same principle?
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    4. Forest
      Forest 9 June 2016 10: 02
      +4
      DZ they have, look at the TUSK kit. They must break through the defenses of aviation, since there are a lot of them, so tanks in the USA have a secondary role. In which case they have a well-protected BMP.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 9 June 2016 10: 15
        0
        Quote: Forest
        In which case they have a well-protected BMP.


        Well protected. Again in a special body kit.
        1. Forest
          Forest 9 June 2016 14: 00
          0
          From 2A42 and KPVT enough for the eyes, and the board with the DZ and PG-7V withstand.
    5. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 9 June 2016 10: 23
      0
      Quote: kugelblitz
      Karteche to destroy the enemy infantry, it is certainly strong!


      Of course a lot. Especially in open areas. Moreover, the now striking elements of such shells can now be called buckshot only purely formally.

      Useful links:

      http://guns.allzip.org/topic/42/72117.html

      http://forum.guns.ru/forummessage/42/656629.html

      http://topwar.ru/1548-oskolochno-puchkovyj-snaryad-dlya-tanka-xxi-veka.html
      1. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 9 June 2016 10: 32
        +1
        Quote: wanderer_032
        Moreover, the now striking elements of such shells can now be called buckshot only purely formally.

        Excuse me, but why the hell did OFS come up with? Including penetrating. And against even light armored vehicles it’s not a matter of BOPS, or the same OFS is not a problem, the latter, due to its mass, will simply break through relatively thin armor.

        Honestly, this is an absolutely stupid and rather expensive shell. PMC. wassat
    6. Come on
      Come on 10 June 2016 00: 49
      0
      Quote: kugelblitz
      Karteche to destroy the enemy infantry, it is certainly strong!



      As far as I understand, this shell is similar to the German DM12, and if so, then the shell is just very effective and versatile, thousands of steel or tungsten balls after detonation where you need it, behind the wall, over the trench, after breaking through the armor, etc.
      1. kugelblitz
        kugelblitz 10 June 2016 18: 43
        0
        Quote: Yeah, well.
        behind the wall, over the trench,

        Behind the wall of the OFS with a fuse delay, or now the "Ainet" system is used, which provides an explosion at a given point of the trajectory. The fuse is installed in automatic mode; the gunner is only required to measure the range with a laser rangefinder. Practice shows that the consumption of projectiles for each target is reduced by about half.

        If you use a shotgun in the trenches, but you have to hit very accurately and hit the canopy. And then just blow over the trench, shooting direct fire.
    7. egeny patykov
      egeny patykov 14 December 2017 07: 50
      0
      buckshot does not rank wa in depth anymore. But finally, what ani stupid current all the racian tanks were killed in Iraq.
  6. inkass_98
    inkass_98 9 June 2016 08: 07
    +5
    Yeah, they figured out the high-explosive fragmentation ammunition in the tank, well done, cho. But they don't want to think about a new tank, all the old ones are being modernized in the absence of its current production. They will be pre-modernized, they will be like the Germans with the Me-109, they will be heavy and clumsy.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 9 June 2016 10: 13
      0
      Quote: inkass_98
      They will be pre-modernized, they will be like the Germans with the Me-109, they will be heavy and clumsy.


      The comparison is not entirely correct. Rather - like Mouse.
    2. bazilio
      bazilio 9 June 2016 13: 17
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      But they don’t want to think about the new tank, they all modernize the old one in the absence of its current production.

      And where did you get the idea that they do not think? Maybe they keep it secret ...
    3. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 9 June 2016 13: 34
      0
      So far, in terms of mobility, Abrams is comparable to the T-80.
      Makes not weak jerks, and almost silently.
    4. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 June 2016 00: 53
      +2
      Quote: inkass_98
      They will be pre-modernized, they will be like the Germans with the Me-109, they will be heavy and clumsy.

      It will be interesting for me to know what mattresses and Germans will do if Armata acquires a 152 mm gun in the near future? Moreover, if I am not affected by sclerosis, such a gun, 2A83, has already been tested. Again, increase armor? So Leopard and Abrams already weigh more than 60 tons.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 June 2016 15: 06
        0
        Already tested 15 years ago 140 mm guns for Merkava, Abrams, Leo-2.
        On Merkava-4 it is installed per day of work without replacing the tower.
        And there is a set of shells.
        So far irrelevant.
        I do not know that in Germany, we strongly hope for 120 mm OBPS with
        rocket booster. It allows you to maintain a high initial flight speed
        at a distance of up to 3 km. Punches (on an advertising, but real video) 4 T-54 towers,
        set side by side - right through. And flies on, infection. Slow motion.
        This is a uranium rod against homogeneous steel armor ...
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 11 June 2016 20: 58
          0
          In addition to the 152 mm gun, we also planned to install tanks and 130 mm guns on the tanks.
          This is object 785 (Chelyabinsk Design Bureau). It’s a pity the tank wasn’t allowed into the series:

          "... a seven-roller (rollers from the T-80) chassis, the original hull with the driver's seat on the left (the observation devices of the mech. drive went out through the roof of the hull, and not through the front plate), the nose of the hull had an original design, which in later it will be borrowed, developed on the Kharkov and Tagil promising machines of 187, 477 and, of course, 195, power with a 2B engine (its relative is installed on the T-14), the Drozd active protection complex with 18 launchers ,
          The main armament was a powerful 130mm rifled cannon with 50 rounds of ammunition. This is the largest stock of rounds among Soviet second-generation tanks. And 30 shots were in the automatic loader ..... "
      2. egeny patykov
        egeny patykov 14 December 2017 07: 58
        0
        Nothing will be! what for . the gun was tested - I was still small. Americans experienced taku about 30 years ago. 60? and t-80 is also more than 50. Americans gave ALL the plants. even the DiP machine (to overtake and overtake). how ants do not paniman people and races do not panan what? And How ? will accept. but it is simple Vazmut and they will give Puten and that’s all - Puten will figure it
  7. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 9 June 2016 08: 09
    0
    The project of modernization of tanks M1A2 SEP v.3 (USA)

    To paraphrase the final part of an old Soviet joke:

    “The car is generally good, however.” Only blacks throw shells from stacking into the breech, very quickly get tired, however. smile

    Buryat tankman.
  8. Cruel beaver
    Cruel beaver 9 June 2016 08: 50
    +3
    A "autoloader" old remains (Negro-jock)? smile
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 9 June 2016 10: 53
      0
      Quote: cruel beaver
      A "autoloader" old remains (Negro-jock)? smile


      It looks like it. smile

      Moreover, it has long been known that the loader in one battle will be able to throw no more than 10 shots at the breech. Then you need a smoke break. wink
      1. TARSUS
        TARSUS 9 June 2016 12: 30
        +3
        Proof that only 10 shells are loaded for loading.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 9 June 2016 13: 12
          0
          Quote: TARS
          proof

          At one time he was at the department - "Operation of wheeled and tracked combat vehicles" OTI.
          I can’t send it. Because he moved to another duty station. smile
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 9 June 2016 13: 46
            -1
            I can only give some links on the topic:

            http://topwar.ru/30785-avtomaty-zaryazhaniya-tankovyh-orudiy.html

            http://topwar.ru/8271-zachem-tanku-avtomat-zaryazhaniya.html

            http://topwar.ru/44844-nuzhen-li-v-sovremennom-tanke-avtomat-zaryazhaniya.html

            http://pikabu.ru/story/avtomatov_zaryazhaniya_post_3398111

            http://www.arma2.ru/forums/showthread.php?t=39730

            http://guntact.ru/forums/167/-/newest-posts/page/11

            Definition of what is AZ:

            An automatic loader is a medium and large caliber artillery mechanism that reloads, removes spent cartridges, and loads and unloads of ammunition.

            It is usually installed in military vehicles, including tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, BMD, self-propelled guns. Also used in artillery installations on ships and in serfs and anti-aircraft guns. Using an automatic loader facilitates the work of calculating the guns and reduces the number of crew; often also leads to an increase in rate of fire.


            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Автомат_заряжания
      2. egeny patykov
        egeny patykov 14 December 2017 07: 59
        0
        the fight ? this minute?
  9. the47th
    the47th 9 June 2016 09: 10
    +3
    Oh really?! It took the Americans over 30 years to equip the M1 OFS shells.
  10. voyaka uh
    voyaka uh 9 June 2016 10: 01
    +5
    Until they put on Abrams a good KAZ or
    do not reinforce the sides with at least 150 mm mounted metal-ceramic
    all changes - cosmetics, because RPGs pierce the side of the hull
    without stress.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 9 June 2016 10: 22
      0
      You never know what - maybe Trophy will be ordered from Israel.
    2. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 9 June 2016 11: 35
      0
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Until they put on Abrams a good KAZ or

      It seems that not so long ago, information on the use of the Israeli KAZ Trophy during the next modernization of Abrams passed on English-language sites.
      Quote: voyaka uh
      do not reinforce the sides with at least 150 mm mounted metal-ceramic

      So they kind of reinforce.
    3. NEXUS
      NEXUS 10 June 2016 00: 59
      +1
      Quote: voyaka uh
      Until they put on Abrams a good KAZ or
      do not reinforce the sides with at least 150 mm mounted metal-ceramic
      all changes - cosmetics, because RPGs pierce the side of the hull
      without stress.

      And what will happen to this attachment "jewelry" if a 152 mm 2A83 gun appears on the Armata? This protection will greatly help mattresses when hit by a 152 mm sub-caliber projectile with an initial speed of 1980 m / s? I'm not talking about a missile similar to the Kornet ATGM, which will be able to beat Armata with such a caliber.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 10 June 2016 21: 25
        0
        152 mm is needed only for launching ATGMs. For OBPS, the caliber is redundant,
        length is more important there. A high-explosive 152 will damage the tank itself with powerful returns.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 11 June 2016 21: 08
          +1
          Quote: voyaka uh
          A high-explosive 152 will damage the tank itself with powerful returns.

          Our 152mm caliber gun was tested on the chassis of the T-80 tank. Shooting from this gun did not harm the tank itself.
          This is object 292
  11. Leto
    Leto 9 June 2016 10: 29
    +1
    It is strange that micro-UAVs were not included in the detection tools, this would greatly increase situational awareness, especially in the city, to inspect the roofs ... Technically, it is quite feasible.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 9 June 2016 10: 48
      +3
      Quote: Leto
      It is strange that micro-UAVs were not included in the detection tools


      Yeah, but plus to this - nano-UAVs and underground-ground nano-robots. And the tank itself is also a crewless one, remotely controlled.

      Type of this:



      smile
  12. TARSUS
    TARSUS 9 June 2016 11: 35
    -3
    Quote: inkass_98
    Yeah, they figured out the high-explosive fragmentation ammunition in the tank, well done, cho. But they don't want to think about a new tank, all the old ones are being modernized in the absence of its current production. They will be pre-modernized, they will be like the Germans with the Me-109, they will be heavy and clumsy.

    Why make a new one when there is a well-proven and proven tank? Where is Abrams not agile? His mobility is not worse than that of the T-90. Especially for you, the lightened M2017A1 (according to preliminary data of 3t.) And an automatic loader will be rolled out in 55.
    1. Forest
      Forest 9 June 2016 14: 03
      +1
      Reducing the mass to 55 tons, subject to an increase in frontal and airborne booking, is now simply technologically unrealistic.
  13. realist
    realist 9 June 2016 12: 38
    +2
    it’s a pity that the electric generator will be hidden, the reliability of the system will increase .........
    1. Bad_gr
      Bad_gr 9 June 2016 13: 22
      +4
      Quote: realist
      it’s a pity that the electric generator will be hidden, the reliability of the system will increase .........

      :) Americans with APU Abrams, as with a written bag:
      first hooked it to the rear armor plate

      then, the APU was transferred to the tower, then

      APU migrated to the left fenestrated shelf

      It ended up being replaced with additional batteries on the latest abrams of the APU, which is not a complete replacement for the generator set.

      And now this saga begins a new way.
      PS
      By the way, on the T-14-15 and so on, the APU is nominally in the engine compartment
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 9 June 2016 13: 56
        +2
        Quote: Bad_gr
        By the way, on the T-14-15 and so on, the APU is nominally in the engine compartment


        And on 72-kah, which now make up the main tank fleet of our country. APU - also not. And somehow no one suffers from this for some reason.

        And on 80s mod. "U" and "UK" APU is.
        1. Bad_gr
          Bad_gr 9 June 2016 14: 09
          +1
          Quote: wanderer_032
          And on 80s mod. "U" and "UK" APU is.

          By the way, the T-80 with the APU in terms of average fuel consumption is quite comparable to the T72-90, where this APU is not.
  14. TARSUS
    TARSUS 9 June 2016 12: 50
    +3
    In this group, besides minus, will organized answers be put?
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 9 June 2016 13: 53
      +2
      Quote: TARS
      In this group, besides minus, will organized answers be put?

      Yes, hell knows who puts it. It’s impossible to talk humanly already.
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  16. Diviz
    Diviz 9 June 2016 14: 14
    -8
    Several times get into one place and it will be possible to break through the armor of the tank.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 9 June 2016 14: 23
      +8
      Quote: DiViZ
      Repeatedly get to one place and it will be possible to break through the armor of the tank

      - get - what?
      - get in - how?
      - what do you mean by "one place"? wink

      Rzhunimagu already ... "in one place" ... you will hammer with a crowbar, probably laughing
      1. egeny patykov
        egeny patykov 14 December 2017 08: 04
        0
        guided missiles. second time. it is possible and prabet. Passing Pervag - no dynamic defense is needed. but it’s better to just beat it on top. or give something to those who are voting for a puten like a fanarikav. al a game (such as twist in one’s hands) and he’ll figure it out so that he won’t do anything. and they don’t! what for ? and so ALL money is spent in the USA and the West. and confrontation is for abman. I won’t be surprised if Puten has any title in the USA - like a sergeant
  17. Willywonka
    Willywonka 9 June 2016 17: 26
    0
    Who can help the thread with digits in 1593 SEP2? Link to the source, etc.
  18. Skubudu
    Skubudu 9 June 2016 17: 56
    -1
    Abrams' platform has outlived itself, no matter how they upgrade it, it cannot fit into the next generation.
  19. Willywonka
    Willywonka 9 June 2016 18: 26
    +2
    Did anyone prove it? Well, Abrams has outlived himself. It seems like 36 years have passed, but there are no people who want to prove it.
    1. Skubudu
      Skubudu 9 June 2016 21: 04
      0
      Abrams always fought in ideal conditions, with the constant support of aviation, having the latest intelligence, against a knowingly weak and poorly trained enemy.
      In a duel battle with a tank with an AFAR radar, M1A2 will be burned before it can detect the T-14.
    2. Crimean partisan 1974
      Crimean partisan 1974 28 October 2016 11: 24
      0
      and what is there to prove, on the move to charge a very troublesome business, the niche of the tower is practically bare, exactly like the entire aft part, in the case of a barrel bend when detonating a land mine without breaking through, you can’t shoot anywhere, sighting devices are like cinemas, ... thus a pair of babays with 14.5mm PTRS will turn it around like English "diamonds" in the first world
  20. Diviz
    Diviz 9 June 2016 20: 57
    +1
    if a heavy machine gun disabled the Abrams tower in Iraq, then this one also has a joint
    1. TARSUS
      TARSUS 9 June 2016 21: 48
      +2
      A link to my words in the studio, otherwise I can only hear all sorts of fables not supported by anything.
      1. Crimean partisan 1974
        Crimean partisan 1974 28 October 2016 11: 02
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  21. pooop
    pooop 9 June 2016 21: 05
    0
    the campaign itself has already become obsolete, I think that further development will go in the direction of shells, that’s where the real race will be.
  22. serg77
    serg77 10 June 2016 05: 17
    0
    Why do they need tanks. What can you fight with Canadians?
  23. hirurg
    hirurg 10 June 2016 09: 47
    0
    Yes Yes. Hang on it all garbage, otherwise it is too light.
    1. egeny patykov
      egeny patykov 14 December 2017 08: 11
      0
      t-80. more than 50 tons and this has a longer base on the tracks. they’re the box — the Evo can be stuffed differently.
  24. Diviz
    Diviz 10 June 2016 21: 06
    0
    And the fact that they have a gun loaded manually is also fiction. Yes, just do not minus. This garbage did not really smell gunpowder. Vitality in his practice is zero paradox. Just do not sit with anger.
    1. egeny patykov
      egeny patykov 14 December 2017 08: 14
      0
      but a desert storm? t-72 killed. not in tank battles? round wheels as in t - 90. The mathor is about this. shells have swearing. the Germans had light tanks and the Czechs so broke into 41 runoff drains. but you can finally not wail. Puten eat and stop. and without a tank, he abrazumet rasiyan
  25. Crimean partisan 1974
    Crimean partisan 1974 28 October 2016 10: 01
    0
    Quote: TARS
    Due to what?

    haha, due to KUV, starting from Sheksna and ending with Invar, they hit 5-6 km, and an experienced operator brings a rocket from the flat path to exactly the top, according to the developer of KUV Invar has a maximum range of up to 8000 meters, but it is doubtful that there is such optics , although everything is classified, it was not in vain that they achieved such a range for a rocket