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On the growth of Russian arms exports and non-selling Iskander-E

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If we compare the publications of the foreign press of today with the publications of at least 3 a year ago, then the difference is obvious. The major foreign media and the media trying to be in their trend lower and much lower, vied with materials and reports that the Russian army is an inflated colossus with feet of clay, that the Russian defense industry is breathing its last and finally drowned in bribery, and the military Russian machinery is rusting trash, the exploitation of which is a risk to life in the first and only place for those who exploit it. Some passages of a similar nature were replaced by others, the din in the Western media stood as in a real stable, but suddenly ... silence ... and obvious bewilderment.


The first thing that made the partners, forgive, shut up, were the frames with the very polite people who gave the Crimeans and the residents of Sevastopol the opportunity to say their weighty words in the referendum, reducing the threat from the Maidan radicals to zero. As soon as over the hill they saw well-equipped and armed Russian servicemen on the screens of their televisions and gadgets, they must have immediately started re-reading their own gems “about rusty automats and full of overcoats”.

The second thing that led the “partners” to a real shock was the beginning of the counter-terrorist operation of the Russian Aerospace Forces in Syria. The “flying trash”, as the Russian planes called the western “experts”, suddenly showed what the Aerospace Forces of the Russian Federation really are. Hundreds of destroyed terrorist infrastructure, countless liquidated militants, military vehicles, warehouses with weapons and ammunition. At the same time, the transfer of a strategic initiative from the hands of the ISIL and Dzhebhat an-Nusra militants to the hands of the Syrian government army, which has rekindled its spirit.

Caliber cruise missiles, precision aviation ammunition, the use of the S-400 anti-aircraft missile system for covering the Khmeimim air base, the operation of the Pantsir-S1 anti-aircraft missile and cannon systems, the use of the latest Su-35 multi-role fighters in the Syrian sky. And also: the use of strategic bombers, unmanned aerial vehicles, new models of army aviation, radar systems, electronic jamming. - The actual ability to conduct effective combat operations using any type of weapon and without any loud exclamations about an entire army of allies. As one of the most spectacular and effective operations - assistance in the liberation of Palmyra by the Syrian army.

Frankly, it should be noted that, even before the events described, not all foreign “partners” were skeptical about the weapons produced by Russia. Quite a few remained and remain who actually invest billions of dollars in the Russian defense industry, acquiring weapons and military equipment from manufacturers of the Russian Federation. Take India at least.

However, the events in the Crimea and Syria forced even the people who were an ardent supporter of the mantra on the “colossus on clay legs” and the “technological pit of the Russian defense industry” mate to turn over the turnips. About how Russia has strengthened its position as one of the leading exporters of weapons in the world, recently General Director of Rostec Corporation Igor Chemezov said. In an interview with the publication "Kommersant-Vlast" The head of Rostec told about the export growth that has been noted in recent years.

As a comparison - a few important numbers. In 2000, the volume of arms exports to Russia was approximately 2,9 billion dollars. At the same time, the package of orders from the “defense industry” of the country barely reached 6,5 billion. Today, Russia sells arms and military equipment worth about $ 15 billion. The total package of orders for Rosoboronexport has reached an absolute record for the entire history its existence - 48 billion dollars. At the same time, it is noted that today the dollar component is almost completely absent in terms of Russian arms exports.

In connection with the action of anti-Russian sanctions imposed by the United States, the purchase of military equipment and weapons from Russian manufacturers is carried out either in national currency or in euro, so that later on American structures that are Washington’s tool for eliminating competitors could not use the US judicial machine for the next fabricated case. After all, as is well known, the American court extends its jurisdiction (according to American laws) to any territory of the planet Earth, where the transaction took place when paying using the US currency. In other words, if country N acquired weapons for gray-green paper from Russia, then the United States could consider this as an argument for launching repressive measures against companies that participated in the deal, with subsequent probable arrests of their representatives anywhere in the world (a package of prison cell in Guam ...). Nothing personal, just business ... Eliminating competitors at all costs. The move by Rosoboronexport with the refusal of dollar deals clearly brings the “partners” from the United States to a white-hot, because any non-dollar transaction is also a small step towards refusing to service the US 18-trillion national debt.

The growth in arms exports from Russia allows the state to consider the possibility of refusing to sell certain types of weapons abroad. If the same US is ready, excuse me, injecting the "raw" F-35 into "partners", without actually starting their full-fledged operation at home, then Russia decides not to drive the horses. And not because the armaments are “raw” and “non-rolled”, but exactly because on the contrary - the individual samples are too good and effective.

This, for example, is about the Iskander operational-tactical complex. More precisely, about his version of "Iskander-E", which was originally planned to be exported. Saudi Arabia expresses a clear interest in acquiring it, but Russia, referring to the prohibitive list of offensive weapons, says Riyadh: “no”. And not only, it should be noted, the Saudis. It is also about Syria, whose president (Bashar Asad) has long declared its readiness to acquire Iskander-E.

On the growth of Russian arms exports and non-selling Iskander-E


Why does Russia refuse? First, you need to have a promising ground in terms of similar complexes with even more outstanding characteristics themselves. Secondly, complex negotiation processes are possible, during which it is discussed that selling Iskander OTRK to the Saudis and Syria is somewhat strange at the same time, and selling separately is even more strange. In the case of the sale of OTRK to Damascus, the surprised people will do in Tel Aviv, with which Moscow is now very warm. In the case of the sale of Iskander-E, Riyadh will have to talk to Damascus and Tehran, which is also warm and warm. Therefore, Solomon’s solution was found - to delay the export sales of Iskander, which will allow not only to create a reserve for Russia itself, but also to stir up interest in the development of the military-technical complex.

For your information:: in terms of arms exports, Russia ranks second in the world, behind the United States, but at the same time reducing the backlog every year.
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  1. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 9 June 2016 06: 39
    +14
    The moral of this fable is this, do not underestimate Russia and its capabilities.
    1. major071
      major071 9 June 2016 07: 58
      +55
      Spartanez300
      The moral of this fable is this, do not underestimate Russia and its capabilities.


      There is no morals in this fable
      Do not sell the Arabs guns
      And let them yell at the whole world
      But matches for children are not toys!
      wink drinks
      1. abrakadabre
        abrakadabre 9 June 2016 13: 43
        +12
        Therefore, the Solomon’s solution was found - to hold off the export sales of the Iskanders, which would not only create a backlog for Russia itself, but also further stimulate interest in the development of the military-technical complex.
        Given our presence in Syria, there is another solution for this country - not to sell complexes, but to naughty at the goals themselves. directly from our base. And to pay the cost of rocket spending on the Syrian side, as if they bought the system.
        1. Asadullah
          Asadullah 10 June 2016 00: 33
          +1
          and naughty at the goals themselves. directly from our base.


          Iskander? And for whom to shoot? On rats running from one hole to another?
      2. iConst
        iConst 9 June 2016 17: 11
        +9
        Quote: major071
        Spartanez300
        The moral of this fable is this, do not underestimate Russia and its capabilities.


        There is no morals in this fable
        Do not sell the Arabs guns
        And let them yell at the whole world
        But matches for children are not toys!
        wink drinks

        - Greetings! hi
        I will join:

        Yes, matches for children are not a toy
        And all the same morality is there:
        Kohl you sold a gun to the Arab
        You should not sleep and eat!

        Look, brother, in both - a glorious fellow,
        What was happy with you
        Ungrateful person
        Moreover, with your shaitan pipe!

        Hold, friend, ears on top of your head -
        He is not a lamb, not a liberalist!
        Will come to you with your gun
        He will come - and Az will reward you!
        laughing
    2. siberalt
      siberalt 9 June 2016 08: 06
      +7
      Back in 2014, Putin said that "to date, the portfolio of export contracts for the supply of weapons and military equipment abroad has increased to $ 50 billion."
      With regard to US arms sales, one can judge about NATO’s convulsive attempts to increase the number of its members and bring in their weapons, not even the first freshness. What was their statement made in 2012 about exceeding the level of arms sales by 14 times in relation to Russia. As it turned out, they were carried away by postscripts.
  2. Yak28
    Yak28 9 June 2016 06: 49
    +15
    I hope against the background of a successful sale of weapons, the workers at military factories are growing wages?
    1. Rash
      Rash 9 June 2016 07: 19
      +22
      I live in Ufa, near UMPO, where they make engines for fighters. In recent years, the plant has expanded, new workshops are being built.
      The salary of ordinary hard workers is 20-25 tyrs, and of the pros 30-40.
      The average for the city by working specialties is 20-25 tyr.
      The total average salary in Ufa 32 tyr.
      1. Yak28
        Yak28 9 June 2016 07: 25
        .
        Uzbek wipers get 25-30 in Moscow, maybe you have different prices and 30 decent money, I just don’t know.
        1. andj61
          andj61 9 June 2016 08: 33
          +9
          Quote: Yak28
          I hope against the background of a successful sale of weapons, the workers at military factories are growing wages?

          And the salary does not increase, but even decreases in recent years 2, and even people have not gained much: in the military-industrial complex, a very large amount of products are produced by a fairly small number of people.
          Quote: Yak28
          Uzbek wipers get 25-30 in Moscow, maybe you have different prices and 30 decent money, I just don’t know.

          25-30 is a quite decent salary for many in the regions, and over the past 2 years, the vast majority of civil servants (over 90%) receive it within these limits, even slightly less. The same number of skilled workers and engineers. Municipal employees - 10-15. In some factories, young turners with a low discharge are generally only 8-10, so they pay extra a couple of thousand to at least somehow keep it.
        2. kos2910
          kos2910 9 June 2016 10: 10
          +15
          Well, you do not compare Moscow and the regions. In Perm, we also have an average salary of about 40 tons, but the defense industry is coming to life. Now, not only artillery systems and rocket engines, but also the PD-14 will get onto the conveyor. But the cost of living in the regions is less than in Moscow. I have about 50t, it is considered above average, enough for a car and a cottage. The rent is 10%, gasoline - 10%, grub - 20% and then according to needs ... I myself work in the IT field, but I have normal turners of about 60 tons, welders in inert environments are also held in high esteem ...
          1. ty60
            ty60 9 June 2016 21: 23
            +2
            That's normal already! Jewelry needleworkers in the defense industry and outer space should receive a WELCOME salary. And not office managers.
            1. Asadullah
              Asadullah 10 June 2016 00: 52
              +4
              That's normal already! Jewelry needleworkers in the defense industry and outer space should receive a WELCOME salary. And not office managers.


              The worker receives a salary based on the result of the product he created, and the manager, according to the results of sales. From that, income is higher in trade. And they will always be higher. The question in the philosophy of life, worker, is qualification, stability, lack of stress. For the worker, it is these factors that are important. With all this, the salary must correspond to the qualifications. The manager, essentially a salesperson, organizes sales. If the sales are good, then his income may be very high, but the level of stress when sales fall is even higher. As in Soviet times, a skilled worker could have public housing, rest in the company's sanatorium and a salary of 300-500 rubles. A salesman had a salary of 90 rubles, stole for five hundred and more, saved up for a cooperative apartment, and rested in the private sector on the seaside. The stress level of both was polar opposite. Something similar develops today. But you must understand that the worker will not earn a premium car. In general, he does not need him, the details of the stability of life should be more important to him.
        3. rusmat73
          rusmat73 9 June 2016 10: 13
          +8
          prices are not different ... just say the crisis sad what therefore, sn are low (from 8 to 18 thousand), and not only in Ufa, but also in other regions. so who can find a second rate, a part-time job - they’re plowing ... families need to be fed.
          Moscow is not decent to compare with other cities - different amounts of the budget. yes
          the fact that good sales is a huge plus for our country. and here is how the further distribution of earned funds happens - a mystery covered in darkness lol
        4. The Voice of the Shrieker
          The Voice of the Shrieker 9 June 2016 11: 10
          +20
          "Don't you confuse the state sheep ...." Moscow does not feed on its own labor, the main income from services: trade, advertising, etc. And the main job is to milk Russia! "
          1. Briz
            Briz 9 June 2016 18: 23
            +1
            He feeds on his work, too, but in the database it is still something like a colonial tax ... but on the other hand, this still cannot be avoided in your state = situations - oblast and districts.
        5. slimp
          slimp 9 June 2016 16: 24
          0
          People at such factories work. And you, if you live at the expense of others, so behave more modestly :)
        6. Gurinov Nikolay
          Gurinov Nikolay 9 June 2016 20: 17
          +1
          Prices, as in Moscow, are even slightly higher, by 5-7 percent!
        7. ty60
          ty60 9 June 2016 21: 20
          0
          Muscovites in less than half an hour did not work before the crisis
      2. weksha50
        weksha50 9 June 2016 09: 58
        +7
        Quote: Rash
        I live in Ufa, near UMPO, where they make engines for fighters. In recent years, the plant has expanded, new workshops are being built.
        The salary of ordinary hard workers is 20-25 tyrs, and of the pros 30-40.




        Mdaaaa ... A sick, very sore spot .... There have always been higher salaries in the Union in the defense industry than the average for similar industrial enterprises ...

        And something needs to be done with the salary in order to attract young people, and with a talent pool at all levels, from a design engineer to a skilled worker ...

        So what to do ? Raise ... Despite the difficulties ... And in this the main decisive role should be played by the government, which, unfortunately, these issues do not really concern ...

        After all, by a miracle, it was by a miracle that they did not break up to the end of the military-industrial complex ... And now, with a small (at the level of government) unresolved issue, you can cut it to the root ...

        And housing must be attracted ... There are plenty of cases, but the boyars and ministers are not thinking about that ...
        1. Briz
          Briz 9 June 2016 18: 33
          +1
          Yes, here’s not a damn thing always ..., I’ve just turned over from the military plant to the agricultural industry at 88m - I immediately turned out to be noticeable in plus (I don’t even say about regimen - at first it seemed straight anarchy to me.
      3. KCA
        KCA 9 June 2016 18: 53
        +1
        looked at the vacancies of ICB "Raduga" and in general JSC "Corporation Tactical Missile Armament", the minimum wage 28k rubles (head of the technical library) + young specialists (up to 30 years old) 2k upon admission, 2-3k per month and 8k for housing payments monthly
    2. Beaver
      Beaver 9 June 2016 09: 29
      +5
      Quote: Yak28
      I hope against the background of a successful sale of weapons, the workers at military factories are growing wages?

      Quote: from article
      Total package of orders for Rosoboronexport

      As you can see, not military factories (and especially not workers) are engaged in the export of weapons, they only produce it. Therefore, there is no direct connection between the sales of weapons and the wages of workers. sad
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 9 June 2016 10: 01
        +2
        Quote: Castor
        As you can see, not military factories (and especially not workers) are engaged in the export of weapons, they only produce it. Therefore, there is no direct relationship between arms sales and workers' salaries.



        As far as I understand, Rosoboronexport is a state structure ... So the direct duty of the government is to establish this relationship and pay workers at all levels of the military-industrial complex worthy ...
        1. Beaver
          Beaver 9 June 2016 10: 40
          +2
          Quote: weksha50
          the direct responsibility of the government to establish this relationship and pay workers at all levels of the military-industrial complex with dignity ...

          yes I completely agree with you, only, as you correctly noted,
          Quote: weksha50
          the boyars and ministers are not all thinking about that ...

          So any "member" from the government will not hesitate to answer in the sense that the plant is a private enterprise, in the affairs of which the authorities have no right to interfere. crying Standard reinforced concrete excuse. am
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 9 June 2016 16: 23
            +2
            Quote: Castor
            So any "member" from the government will not hesitate to answer in the sense that the plant is a private enterprise, in the affairs of which the authorities have no right to interfere. Standard reinforced concrete excuse.


            As far as I understand from Russian legislation, any joint-stock company (OPO, PJSC, CJSC) that has a share in the structure of equity capital and a state share is no longer a completely private enterprise ... So from the "desire" of the state, and in particular - just from the desire of a certain minister, the picture of the activity of this enterprise is easily transformed from profitable to negative, right up to bankruptcy ...

            Control of murderers ... pah, ministers, I need ... Very tough ...
            1. varov14
              varov14 9 June 2016 19: 44
              0
              The "murderers" whose souls are ruining the working class or the master's? No, of course, the once given enterprise can be taken away in order to transfer it to another, who is closer, dearer and more accommodating, but these are the costs of our native capitalism.
            2. Asadullah
              Asadullah 10 June 2016 01: 09
              +1
              and in particular - just from the desire of a certain minister, the picture of the activity of this enterprise is easily transformed from profitable to negative, up to bankruptcy ...


              Nothing will come from the desire of one minister. For this, the minister must create his own type of organized crime group, placing his people in key places. Then the scheme begins, which includes several banks, this is done so that the company would suspect something was wrong as late as possible. But this happened quite easily ten years ago, today in a similar way Chubais is bankrupt experimental plant lithium batteries. But the first signals from the respective banks led to the initiation of intermediate UDs. They are unlikely to entail the conviction of those responsible, but stopudovo stop the process. This is how we work, hard and scrupulous, with an enemy who is cunning, educated, and superbly savvy in legal matters. It turns out to punish just a little, and then fools, but at least we keep state assets afloat.
        2. varov14
          varov14 9 June 2016 19: 20
          +1
          An odd man, Rosoboronexport is a nurse for its own people, well, someone will share, and the "hungry" years have come. By the way, workers and ITR 20-30 sput earn, and the color of production: all sorts of personnel officers, lawyers, economists, advisers, etc. and the like, how much do they get?
          1. Kotyara Fat
            Kotyara Fat 1 July 2016 23: 39
            0
            From 20k infantry, from 50-70 leading specialists and in the district not 100-150 beg. departments. Top-level h.z.
      2. Asadullah
        Asadullah 10 June 2016 00: 58
        0
        Therefore, there is no direct connection between the sales of weapons and the wages of workers.


        What are you talking about! If the worker has shares in the enterprise, then communication is undeniable. In another case, he receives for the volumes of the product he created. For additional hours of work and other payments. In no other country in the world does it happen otherwise.
        1. Kotyara Fat
          Kotyara Fat 1 July 2016 23: 44
          0
          Happens. Nobody in the world has refused awards and bonuses "on the basis of results". The better the company does, the fatter the faces of the employees. Well, or shameless owners, with a frightened team :-)
    3. Gurinov Nikolay
      Gurinov Nikolay 9 June 2016 20: 14
      0
      The directors have increased and managers!
  3. sergeyzzz
    sergeyzzz 9 June 2016 07: 03
    +5
    Quote: Yak28
    I hope against the background of a successful sale of weapons, the workers at military factories are growing wages?

    Against this background, the state order decreased and the civil order for spare parts went almost 0. What is now being put on civilian aircraft for repair, God alone knows.
  4. aszzz888
    aszzz888 9 June 2016 07: 15
    0
    If we compare the publications of the foreign press of today with publications of at least 3 years ago,

    Nothing is more indicative than a comparison. And everything is also known in comparison. The author correctly and correctly applied such a turn in his article. Alex, you +.
  5. Professor
    Professor 9 June 2016 07: 18
    -7
    For reference: in terms of arms exports, Russia ranks second in the world, behind the United States, but at the same time annually reducing the backlog.

    The author modestly went around the topic of profits in this area. The paradox is that the more Russia exports, the greater the losses of the defense industry. Correct me if I am wrong.

    Why does Russia refuse?

    Non-Proliferation Treaty prohibits.
    1. Whatabout
      Whatabout 9 June 2016 08: 03
      +5
      You're wrong :)
      1. Professor
        Professor 9 June 2016 08: 41
        -4
        Quote: WhatAbout
        You're wrong :)

        Oh?
        Loss "United Aircraft Company" was 109 billion rubles.

        net loss increased 8 times
        1. andj61
          andj61 9 June 2016 08: 51
          +8
          Quote: Professor
          Oh?
          Loss "United Aircraft Company" was 109 billion rubles.

          net loss increased 8 times

          Actually, the example is not typical. The UAC receives losses due to new projects in the civil sphere - all sorts of different dry-jets and MS. Sell - they didn’t really sell, the production was also not properly mastered, and money was invested in design and production unintentionally - that's the loss. Yes, and in addition, a bunch of imported components that have risen in price in the past 2 years.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 9 June 2016 10: 06
            +7
            Quote: andj61
            Actually, the example is not typical. The UAC receives losses due to new projects in the civil sphere - all sorts of different dry-jets and MS. Sell - they didn’t really sell, the production was also not properly mastered, and money was invested in design and production unintentionally - that's the loss. Yes, and in addition, a bunch of imported components that have risen in price in the past 2 years.



            I fully support ... Civilian aircraft are being developed at the expense of part of the profit ... Well, I think the state also subsidized these works, but - naturally - not fully ... hi
          2. ty60
            ty60 9 June 2016 21: 31
            0
            But import substitution is voiced as a task by the president!
        2. sharkmen
          sharkmen 9 June 2016 09: 38
          +1
          Hello everyone. Well, maybe this can be. but if they show the ability to intercept UAVs and spikes, the small homeland will also have to trade at a loss, like the Swedes have flu.
        3. Asadullah
          Asadullah 10 June 2016 01: 30
          +1
          net loss increased 8 times


          Not a very correct remark. The loss cannot be uncertain, it covers its own decade. For example, you open a sewing workshop. Take ten thousand credit units for this. During the year, you repair the premises, install equipment, purchase materials, conclude contracts, and even under you there are not enough five thousand units of assets that you take while mortgaging equipment and future profit from contracts. In a decade, your loss is more than seven hundred percent. Do you think you are bankrupt? Let's talk about this in five years. That is, bankrupt, this is not your expenses, which in accounting and any fiscal science are a loss, but inability to conduct business when there are no planned minimum sales.

          Believe me, the times of the State Planning Commission have sunk into oblivion, along with the walkers to beat out the excess. Russia is not the USSR, it is a powerful capitalist country. In which of course there are venereal diseases of capitalism, but not fatal.
    2. andj61
      andj61 9 June 2016 08: 43
      +6
      Quote: Professor
      The author modestly went around the topic of profits in this area. The paradox is that the more Russia exports, the greater the losses of the defense industry. Correct me if I am wrong.

      It is unlikely that the topic of the profit of a particular enterprise should be linked with the profitability of the industry, as well as the losses of the defense industry with the amount of arms sent for export. Just due to export revenues, technical re-equipment of factories is carried out. True, even interlayers in the form of various export structures will, of course, bite their penny.
      Until now, many defense industry enterprises are under pressure in the form of social and cultural sectors, outdated infrastructure, as well as emergency communications, as was the case in the USSR, and it is not always possible to completely transfer this burden to citizens. It is often cheaper to build a new plant in a clean field than to reconstruct an old one, and even in a place with a city - and an enterprise and a city very often form an inextricable whole. But the city cannot be abandoned. so that all this leads to costs that are not actually production costs.
      1. varov14
        varov14 9 June 2016 20: 08
        +1
        My dear man, our plant in the days of the USSR maintained a whole city, we had our own sub-farm, dispensary, medical unit, built housing (for the 20 years that I lived and with it the councils built a large half of the city, in the last 25 only five houses), of course there was a palace of culture and a constant reconstruction of production. Now the plant contains one warnak with his yachts, well, and henchmen who milk him, do I need it?
    3. BARKAS
      BARKAS 9 June 2016 10: 02
      +1
      Quote: Professor
      the more Russia exports, the greater the losses of the defense industry. Correct me if I am wrong.

      On the contrary, the greater the losses, the more the defense industry is forced to export!
    4. weksha50
      weksha50 9 June 2016 10: 03
      +3
      Quote: Professor
      The paradox is that the more Russia exports, the greater the losses of the defense industry. Correct me if I am wrong.



      Without any irony ... How to understand this ??? After all, is this a direct violation of the simple laws of the economy? The goods are, the buyer is, the transaction has taken place ...

      Or do you mean that Rosoboronexport gets profit, and enterprises get crumbs ??? So this is all the more abnormal ...
    5. Beaver
      Beaver 9 June 2016 11: 03
      +2
      Quote: Professor
      The author modestly went around the topic of profits in this area.

      Congratulations to the Professor on another successful throw. laughing I urge the rest not to be conducted, because in modern Russia "profit" is not at all an indicator of anything and entirely depends on the wishes of the owners and the professional skills of the chief accountant. repeat
      Quote: Professor
      Correct me if I am wrong.

      laughing
    6. Briz
      Briz 9 June 2016 18: 27
      0
      You don’t worry about us ... we will polish it with R&D ...
  6. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 9 June 2016 07: 41
    +4
    Who else, in Riyadh, needs to deliver Iskander-M, with self-propelled delivery, and Qatar too.
  7. VNP1958PVN
    VNP1958PVN 9 June 2016 08: 34
    +3
    "Iskander" is not for sale YET, because delivery is under its own power.
  8. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 9 June 2016 10: 46
    +1
    Quote: rusmat73
    Moscow is not decent to compare with other cities - different amounts of the budget.

    When taxes from enterprises, the owners of which are somehow Muscovites or banks (registered in Moscow), will remain in the regions where the enterprises operate, and not at the place of registration of the legal entity, that is, in Moscow, then we'll talk about salaries.
  9. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 9 June 2016 10: 50
    +2
    Quote: Dmitry Potapov
    Who else, in Riyadh, needs to deliver Iskander-M, with self-propelled delivery, and Qatar too.

    I understood correctly - MOST SUMMER?
  10. surrozh
    surrozh 9 June 2016 11: 33
    +1
    The defense industry complex, in theory, should pull other industries, including high-tech ones. Logically, this is what happens, since there is no profit, they invest in related industries that have disappeared or abroad.
  11. v.yegorov
    v.yegorov 9 June 2016 14: 04
    0
    Therefore, the Solomon’s solution was found - to hold off the export sales of the Iskanders, which would not only create a backlog for Russia itself, but also further stimulate interest in the development of the military-technical complex.

    In short, both ours and yours. And if it doesn’t work out, then no one. To avoid
    excesses.
  12. mihai_md2003
    mihai_md2003 9 June 2016 14: 13
    0
    I read the comments it became sad ((If, in the end, the worker and engineer have no gain from this growth in orders, for whom is this all done? Is it pure that officials drank more? And in general, if the chicken carries golden eggs, is it worth the risk of personnel who leave enterprises from low salaries? It would not turn out in the end that this is a magic statistic.
    1. rusmat73
      rusmat73 10 June 2016 09: 59
      +1
      an example about young cadres: after studying, they come to the defense industry to the workshops, they work in departments ... and when you ask them how many sum of the angles of a triangle? - no answer, they are in a stupor lol and smart comrades are joking over such shots, but they’re not funny ... where are we going what need to restore the education system !!! and this is not one year unfortunately and not ten ... and old shots are not eternal for regret - health does not increase over the years ... hi
      1. Kotyara Fat
        Kotyara Fat 2 July 2016 00: 01
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        The sum of the angles ... I'm here, it’s a sinful thing, one of the young specialist was interested in how much it wakes up 92 + 74 and divided by HALF))))), so this miracle first composed on a telehvon, and then stuck on the word in half :-): - D And this is with a higher education!
  13. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 9 June 2016 17: 48
    +3
    In my opinion, A. Volodin’s articles are always relevant, professional, do not show signs of self-promotion, are not based on emotions and are really interesting!
  14. kaban7
    kaban7 9 June 2016 20: 08
    +1
    Wisely acted. And the article is good.
  15. varov14
    varov14 9 June 2016 20: 43
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    Slightly off topic, but clearly for the army .. I read the latest local newspaper "Employees of the wagon-assembly and metallurgical production of UVZ have been sent on forced leave. This is a temporary measure - the personnel of the units will be in forced downtime from June 1 to June 30." RZD does not need carriages, they are now inventing a train in a tube at the speed of an airplane, not up to cars. And so everywhere there are only projectors and blah, blah.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 10 June 2016 01: 09
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      Quote: varov14
      "Employees of the car-assembly and metallurgical production facilities of UVZ were sent on forced leave. This measure is temporary - the personnel of the divisions will be in a forced idle period from June 1 to June 30."

      If you quote, quote to the end:

      - while maintaining 2/3 of the average salary
      - with the possibility of part-time work at your own enterprise (repair of workshops)
      - ...

      Quote: varov14
      Russian Railways do not need wagons, they are now inventing a train in a pipe with the speed of an airplane not up to wagons

      - the phrase "seasonal decline in demand for products" does not tell you anything? Or do they not write about this in the "local newspaper"? wink

      Quote: varov14
      And so everywhere there are only projections and blah, blah

      - well, but this is completely superfluous .. how do you know how it is - everywhere?

      And, it seems to me, not "you are" reading the fresh local newspaper " No.

      Looked at your comments here. You know, it’s impressive ... are you the daughter of an officer? laughing
  16. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 10 June 2016 10: 31
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    It seems to me that instead of exporting Iskander, it is possible to organize the production of modernized Tochka U complexes with appropriate guidance heads and an increased range. we have a lot of complexes in service. And in our army, gradually replace the sold Tochka-U with Eskanders.
  17. Al1977
    Al1977 10 June 2016 11: 47
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    Well, finally, the good news, I’ll go tell my wife, in the evening we’ll take wine, forbidden cheese and celebrate this event! Not often good news comes !!! Just some kind of holiday !!!
    1. Kotyara Fat
      Kotyara Fat 2 July 2016 00: 06
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      Yeah! Yes, with elite Polish moonshine, and Scotch whiskey! Oh you! I forgot about craft beer ... Well, yes, a successful child of the revelry!
  18. Konstantin Yu
    Konstantin Yu 11 June 2016 09: 19
    +1
    About profits, the efficiency of our production is 3-5 times lower than the American one. How many additional opportunities for the growth of the power of our defense industry would appear, with the reduction of this gap. I think that the organization of production is not effective and outdated technologies and equipment are the main kettlebell on the foot of the development of the PC.

    An example of work: we need a converter-board for a weight sensor, I found the manufacturer's price is 22800 p. !! This is the price of a laptop! or smartphone! Does this board go online? -No, has a color LCD screen? -No,
    he can work with Ing. programs? -no, reads disks and flash drives? -no, it transmits signals to the satellite? -no. It's a simple calculator with the same features !!! So where are the prices from? I think that such salaries come from there and in Moscow. With such domestic "developments" = production, we will not go far. It's sad.
  19. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 11 June 2016 15: 17
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    About Moscow salaries - no need. 50 thousand rubles not everyone gets it. As far as I know, this is the salary of highly skilled workers. But I know. In St. Petersburg, too, from 30 to 40, maybe lower. Salaries of workers at defense enterprises DO NOT DEPEND on the cost of production of this plant, rather the opposite. Labor productivity is still low with us. It is growing slowly, but I saw how they work at the plant in Holland and in Germany. Oh, we still can’t do it. And where it turns out, and we have a high salary. I do not speak for South Korea. There are no people at all - robots. Maybe we don’t need that? You don’t want any money!
    1. Kotyara Fat
      Kotyara Fat 2 July 2016 00: 13
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      They work fine for us! And labor productivity and "how robots work" are two big differences! Where, their mother in the swing, are the machining centers !? Where, edrit them in hack, modular systems fur. processing !? Wherever you look, there are only 6M84 and 16K20! And this old stuff won't get you far!