Six times more than needed

In Venezuela, more than 1,3 million signatures were recognized as valid in support of the application for a referendum on the early termination of the authority of Nicolas Maduro. This was stated by the executive secretary of the opposition Bloc of democratic unity. He also noted that the opposition has “six times more signatures than necessary.”

The Executive Secretary of the Opposition Bloc of Democratic Unity (BDE), Jesús Torrealba, after a meeting with representatives of the National Electoral Council, told the press: “We have signatures. We have six times more signatures than we need to start a referendum, to overcome this border in 1% and go on to collect signatures for 20% voters. ”

His words conveyed 8 Jun TASS.

The agency indicates that the start of the passed stage of preparation for the referendum of the opposition needed 195 signatures of thousands of voters. Now they will need the support of as many as four million people. And if political opponents of President Maduro succeed in achieving their goal in July, a nationwide vote on the resignation of the head of state can take place, according to some estimates, in October 2016 of the year.

TASS recalls that, as a result of the parliamentary elections in December last year, the United Socialist Party of Venezuela, headed by Maduro, was defeated. Against the background of popular discontent, oppositionists for the first time in the last seventeen years gained control of the National Assembly.

TV channel "Euronews" notes that the entire opposition has collected almost 2 million signatures. The National Electoral Council recognized only 1,3 million as valid.

Euronews also reports that on Tuesday, police in Caracas broke up a demonstration in support of the referendum.

One of the protesters, against whom the guards used tear gas, told the journalist with indignation: “I am a citizen of Venezuela, I put my signature on the demand for a referendum. And I demand respect for my rights. What it is? The police does not let us through. And we are starving. There are no products in the stores, only the queues. And I have two children! ”

Why does Venezuela live so badly today?

This was recently told in the journal "Forbes" Venezuelan citizen Enri José Machuca Navarro, an expert in international relations and the oil business.

Here it is, the beautiful Venezuela: the world's largest oil reserves, the eighth place in the world in gas reserves, the richest amount of resources of gold, strategic metals, etc. Despite this, the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela is inferior to regional competitors in terms of GDP growth, and occupies the highest line (non-honorable) in the ranking of Latin American countries.

There is also a political split: the opposition argues that the state is ruled by totalitarianism, and the problem of food shortages is the result of the economic policy of the “chavista”; the government of Maduro accuses the opposition and the United States of sabotage.

The expert cites some essential data.

Firstly, the country's economy depends on the energy sector: since 1945, the Dutch disease has become one of its components, and in 2015, the share of energy resources in exports reached 96,4%! Bottom line: the life of Venezuelans is not just dependent on world oil prices, but highly dependent. Here is the dependency in numbers: oil revenues for January 2016 amounted to 77 million, while for the same period 2010 of the year they were at the level of 3,3 billion dollars. "The total decline in the country's income over six years was 4200%," specialist. “This unrealistic amount of money that Venezuela is not receiving now makes it very difficult to ensure government spending.”

Secondly, exorbitant social spending. The budget deficit for the 2015 year was approximately 25%. But where to get the money, which is so lacking? .. Over the past fifteen years, the government has directed most of its income to social programs and neglected the accumulation of savings. This significantly distinguishes Venezuela from the economic policy of large net exporters who have learned to compensate for the budget deficit due to accumulated reserves.

Third, the shortage of goods and services in the country is caused not only by inefficient state policies to control market monopolists, but also by the authorities' inability to create new production facilities and stabilize macroeconomic indicators (here the inflexibility of the foreign exchange market and increasing money supply are called).

Fourth, the United States does influence the situation in Venezuela, as President Obama recently decreed that this country threatened the national security of the United States. There is no doubt: Washington is actively involved in the process of destabilizing the country.

Fifth, the political situation in the republic is heating up: the confrontation between the parliament and the government is growing. One recent example: the opposition-minded parliament refuses to execute the decisions of the Supreme Court.

As a result of all this, the opposition proposes today to hold a referendum on the removal of authority from Maduro. This could lead to the formation of a new government with a new economic development program.

The expert does not want to predict the future of Venezuela, because it does not undertake to "guess what the exact price of oil will be by the end of the year." One thing is clear: the confrontation between key political players will continue. The quality of life of the population will depend on the ability of the state to work with big business, for which it is necessary to accelerate plans to diversify the economy. It is likely that the government will have to cut budget expenditures or find external borrowing. The latter is quite realistic for the republic, because this country has a reputation as a good borrower. "It remains to be hoped that Venezuela will learn a lesson from the current situation: you cannot live on oil revenues only," Navarro sums up.

We’ll add to the Russian government that it would also be nice to learn the lessons and stop glancing at bars of charts with the price of "black gold" running around the dollar, and think about the diversification of the economy, self-sufficiency and intellectual resources. It is not good for such an intelligent and resource-rich country to turn into a flea market in selling Chinese consumer goods.

Observed and commented on Oleg Chuvakin
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Comments

[PKK]

Maduro managed to raise the salary of the population three times, now let the pro-Americans disentangle if they overthrow the President.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: PKK

Maduro managed to raise the salary of the population three times, now let the pro-Americans disentangle if they overthrow the President.

he managed to raise prices too fucking ... it seems 60 times immediately for gasoline.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

he managed to raise prices too fucking ... it seems 60 times immediately for gasoline.

It’s still very cheap there, at the official rate of the 95th somewhere Oh, $ 6. In reality, it’s much cheaper.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Odyssey

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

he managed to raise prices too fucking ... it seems 60 times immediately for gasoline.

It’s still very cheap there, at the official rate of the 95th somewhere Oh, $ 6. In reality, it’s much cheaper.

Do I need to remind you that ALL prices are tied to gasoline? and poverty there is real.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

Do I need to remind you that ALL prices are tied to gasoline?

I just clarified that even after raising prices, it is there one of the cheapest in the world.
http://ria.ru/economy/20160218/1376477968.html

Quote: Andrey Yurievich

and poverty there is real.

Poverty is enough in the USA, and there is nothing to say about the standard country of 3 cap. Now in Venezuela, other problems are more likely - crime, a lot of people are sitting on social benefits and do not blow, and this is with a rapidly growing population, private companies naturally tend to raise prices for consumer goods and, when trying to limit them, simply create a shortage of goods, and .td

[Hon]

Quote: Odyssey

Poverty is enough in the USA, and there is nothing to say about the standard country of 3 cap. Now in Venezuela, other problems are more likely - crime, a lot of people are sitting on social benefits and do not blow, and this is with a rapidly growing population, private companies naturally tend to raise prices for consumer goods and, when trying to limit them, simply create a shortage of goods, and .td

the only difference is that poor Americans can afford more than wealthy Venezuelans

[Odysseus]

Quote: Hon

the only difference is that poor Americans can afford more than wealthy Venezuelans

Do not exaggerate, in the USA a lot of people do not have access to simple medical services, people, sorry, live in trailers. Even in the richest cities, for example, in LA, there are areas where it’s dangerous even to drive by car (by the way, in Russia for all our shortcomings there are no such ghetto regions), and in Venezuela there are enough wealthy people.
Moreover, the USA is the richest country, the hegemon of the cap.world, and Venezuela (before Chavez) is a typical country of 3 cap.worlds.

[Hon]

Quote: Odyssey

Do not exaggerate, in the US, many people do not have access to simple medical services.

Do we in Russia have access to medical services? they are in trailers, and in our apartments from the USSR they are left. Moreover, while working, they can afford to rent a house or purchase a mortgage. and with us this is far from every working person can afford. sometimes they can afford housing for an allowance. Yes, they are dangerous, although they do not have such a place as the North Caucasus, but we have. if you look at their beggars who do not have access to medicine (they still have free hospitals for the poor, and they are no worse than our clinics) living in trailers, then these are people who are used to never working, entire generations have grown up for benefits

[Manul]

Quote: Hon

Do we in Russia have access to medical services? they are in trailers, and in our apartments from the USSR they are left.

What are you stamping? Officer's daughter? We have services, and treat, and put on their feet. If you’re a troll, then it’s not so clumsy.

[Hon]

Quote: Manul

What are you stamping? Officer's daughter? We have services, and treat, and put on their feet. If you’re a troll, then it’s not so clumsy.

Of course they treat if they are lucky to get to a good doctor, and if the cost of the treatment itself is not expensive. but if the treatment is expensive, then popodos. the quota operation, while you wait you can move the horses, many do not wait, you can at your own expense, then without a queue, or grease so that the queue moves forward. but even if you get a quota, and everything is kind of free, you need to smear a surgeon, an anesthetist. We need expensive medicines, 90% of cases at our own expense will have to be purchased. Now they are also restricting their stay in the hospital.
in the USA there are also free hospitals, but there are queues for lack of funding, poor condition of institutions. in general, all that we are used to. that is, if a US citizen does not have funds for insurance, he will be treated in conditions close to Russian

[Manul]

Quote: Hon

there are also free hospitals in the US, but there are lines

They themselves answered everything. And quietly faded on the theme of America. You will get such debts for treatment in America that it will be easier to hang yourself. There the system is much tougher than ours. There is nothing free there. And if you don’t want to pay, you will die in the official lineup.

[atalef]

Quote: Manul

You will get such debts for treatment in America that it will be easier to hang yourself. There the system is much tougher than ours

There the system is simpler - if there is no money, numerous funds will pay for the treatment.
In general, you need to worry about your health and pay insurance, including

Quote: Manul

There is nothing free there.

As elsewhere - either you pay or take a tax.

Quote: Manul

And if you don’t want to pay, you will die in the official lineup

This may be the case with all insurance.

[Hon]

Quote: Manul

They themselves answered everything. And quietly faded on the theme of America. You will get such debts for treatment in America that it will be easier to hang yourself. There the system is much tougher than ours. There is nothing free there. And if you don’t want to pay, you will die in the official lineup.

and with us it means I’ll take it without a queue? they’ll break the pill, one half should be taken for pain in the head, the other for pain in the ass, the main thing is not to mix it up

[PKK]

The doctor’s task is that you become chronic and go on feeding the doctor for the rest of the time. Therefore, you need to rely on yourself, for example, I treat the flu in two nights, I heal the ulcer and a lot of the little things myself. Do not be lazy, but learn and do little by little.

[Revolver]

Quote: Hon

Of course they treat if they are lucky to get to a good doctor, and if the cost of the treatment itself is not expensive. but if the treatment is expensive, then popodos. the quota operation, while you wait you can move the horses, many do not wait, you can at your own expense, then without a queue, or grease so that the queue moves forward. but even if you get a quota, and everything is kind of free, you need to smear a surgeon, an anesthetist. We need expensive medicines, 90% of cases at our own expense will have to be purchased. Now they are also restricting their stay in the hospital.
in the USA there are also free hospitals, but there are queues for lack of funding, poor condition of institutions. in general, all that we are used to. that is, if a US citizen does not have funds for insurance, he will be treated in conditions close to Russian

Something is not quite right, but basically not at all.
They treat the United States the same way, regardless of insurance or lack thereof, because the wrong treatment, which has the consequences, is judged the same. From sympathy to the poor, the jury can pour money on top, and we are talking about hundreds of thousands and even millions of dollars. And the doctor often has no idea about insurance, either an administrative assistant at a private doctor or the administrators in the hospital are engaged in this.
Queues for the procedures are small, for example, spinal surgery was prescribed to me a week and a half from the moment the doctor decided what should be cut. And when I broke my leg, they operated on the same day.
There are queues, but for unique procedures and especially for organ transplants. Moreover, the progress of the queue does not depend on insurance, but on the presence of organs and genetic matching (blood type and what else to reduce the likelihood of rejection). Here in these lines it happens that they die without waiting. The rich can afford to go for a transplant in conditional India, but there is no guarantee for the qualifications of doctors, genetic compliance, and what else matters is that I am not an expert, but I can imagine that such things can be done not by the first comers, not on one’s knee, and not always good kidney from the first person who wants to sell it. And the import of organs into America is prohibited, otherwise there would already be an industry for the abduction of people, especially children, and cutting them into spare parts for delivery to America.
And there are procedures that are already being done in Europe, but not yet approved in America. For example, the implantation of an artificial vertebral disc (anyone has pain ) I don’t have free money for a trip to Germany and the operation there (it’s hundreds of thousands of $), so if my disk completely falls apart, I’ll have to agree to fusion .

[atalef]

Quote: Manul

What are you stamping? Officer's daughter? We have services, and treat, and put on their feet. If you’re a troll, then it’s not so clumsy.

Well, in America (yes, without insurance), they don’t leave to die on the street

[Cat man null]

Quote: atalef

not darling. but if the treatment is expensive, then popodos. the quota operation, while you wait you can move the horses, many do not wait, you can at your own expense, then without a queue, or grease so that the queue moves forward. but even if you get a quota, and everything is kind of free, you need to smear a surgeon, an anesthetist. We need expensive medicines, 90% of cases at our own expense will have to be purchased. Now they are also restricting their stay in the hospital.

Alexander, but in the Russian Federation, what-they leave? It is on the street? Any examples?

- a man fell on the street, kind people called an ambulance, an ambulance took away
- An ambulance brought a person to the emergency room of the hospital
- in the hospital (attention!) they do not have the right not to accept a person. In the ambulance there is already a daw that the brow was taken, and then they will check that it became with the brow
- And two chelas are treated. Bad, good - that's how lucky. But they are being treated, they are not thrown back onto the street.

Here it is - I saw it myself. Woodpeckers, who on a drunken blue managed to freeze in the street, also saw. But these woodpeckers simply hid well, and there was no one to call an ambulance to them.

That's something like

[atalef]

Quote: Cat Man Null

Alexander, but in the Russian Federation, what-they leave? It is on the street? Any examples?

But what does Russia have to do with it? I did not write about Russia, I wrote about America

[Manul]

Quote: atalef

Well, in America (yes, without insurance), they don’t leave to die on the street

Will your teeth be treated there for free?

[atalef]

Quote: Manul

Quote: atalef

Well, in America (yes, without insurance), they don’t leave to die on the street

Will your teeth be treated there for free?

Is free ?
If there is appropriate insurance - then for free (conditionally).
And without insurance, where is it treated?

[Revolver]

The seal, even composite, is completely covered. The stainless steel crown is completely covered, ceramics cost an additional $ 150-200, they haven’t put gold since the last millennium, but the implant is not covered at all.

[Hon]

Quote: Manul

Will your teeth be treated there for free?

I’m in Moscow for one tooth, I gave about 10 tr. in the US, I think this service is much more expensive, on the other hand, it’s easier for them to afford. and with appropriate insurance, you don’t have to pay

[Leto]

Quote: Odyssey

in the US, many people do not have access to simple health services

Where such confidence? DO NOT have insurance. DO NOT have access to medical services. Without insurance, the sick person will be cured, but an invoice will be issued that if the patient cannot pay, public organizations of which there are many in the United States will pay. The patient will not be kicked out into the street.
Accessibility to free medical services in Russia does not mean their quality. On the contrary, quality is lower than the plinth. My father-in-law recently died of cancer, the urologist did not see prostate cancer point blank until the father-in-law had completely gone bad and he didn’t get into the mountains. the hospital where he was diagnosed as late and five days later he died.

Quote: Odyssey

people, sorry, live in trailers

And why not live if natural conditions allow? Do you know how much the average food stamp stamp for such people is? $ 145 monthly. And besides this, there is still a bunch of support programs for low-income citizens that allow them not to work at all, but to live on the same benefits.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Leto

Without insurance, the sick person will be cured, but an invoice will be issued that if the patient cannot pay, public organizations of which there are many in the United States will pay. The patient will not be kicked out into the street.

If you mean the Medicaid program, then first you need to prove that you are not a camel, and it is not a panacea. The Americans themselves write that the absence of a universal insurance system leads to additional deaths.
Moreover, even with insurance, many medical services not covered by this insurance are hard to reach for the average American.

Quote: Leto

Accessibility to free medical services in Russia does not mean their quality

He does not say, moreover, in conditions of chronic underfunding and a drop in the level of education, the quality and accessibility of free health care is declining. This is, in general, Soviet atavism, which the authorities hardly tolerate and are trying to get rid of gradually.

Quote: Leto

My father-in-law recently died of cancer, the urologist did not see prostate cancer point blank until the father-in-law had completely gone bad and he didn’t get into the mountains. the hospital where he was diagnosed as late and five days later he died.

I’m sorry, maybe the doctor got a bad one? This can happen in any country and in any system. I personally, with all our problems, have come across more adequate doctors.

Quote: Leto

And why not live if natural conditions allow? Do you know how much the average food stamp stamp for such people is? $ 145 monthly. And besides this there is still a bunch of support programs for low-income citizens allowing you not to work at all, but to live on the same benefits

Duc, I do not mind - let them live But how do they differ then from not even the rich, but from the poor Venezuelans who, under Chavez, live excellently on benefits in approximately the same living conditions? The truth is that they have a smaller check, but the prices of products also differ strikingly.
The question is that the USA is the richest country in the world and at the same time, because of their way of life, they have such amazing things. Their resources and capabilities are quite enough to solve the social problems of all their citizens. However, no, they do not solve ....

[antoXa]

Dear Hon and Dear Leto
who prevents you both from taking and moving to this BEAUTIFUL country and being treated and living there in a trailer in fine weather conditions, on benefits and living better than many unfortunate Russians ???? Who is bothering?

And please tell us, what do you personally do to make life in Russia better?
What recipes do you have (other than throwing a kaek) to improve life in the country?

[Hon]

Quote: antoXa

And please tell us, what do you personally do to make life in Russia better?

how about paying taxes that should go for the same medicine, for example. but they’re going, not exactly where you need to

[antoXa]

Hon
Does this happen only in Russia?
And are you sure that exactly the tax that you pay, someone stole?

But the question was still not about what you personally can and are ready to do so that officials in Russia stop, for example, stealing?

[Hon]

Funny question. And what was fashionable for a simple citizen to prevent the collapse of the union, or the collapse of the nineties, of Gaidar’s reform? Never mind.
The only one who really fights corruption is Navalny. Few people like him, but he is the only one in our country who despises at least something. But the "patriots" can only yell urya, and tie ribbons, they are not capable of more.
And we pay taxes to the common boiler, and this boiler is full of holes

[Cat man null]

Quote: Hon

The only one who really fights corruption is Navalny

Wow, yo-yo ...

[Hon]

Are there any other examples? Here he found Pekhtin’s real estate in the USA. And Pekhtin was a deputy of the State Duma from EP. From the Duma he was flooded for this property.
The people's choice from the ruling party has invisibility on the territory of a potential enemy, and a real enemy. And Navalny nailed him. And what can the "patriots" boast of?

[Cat man null]

Not so it was all, not so

Quote: Hon

he found Pekhtin's real estate in the USA

- Well, let's say that it was Navalny himself who found it. Although doubtful
- Rather, his American curators found. Well, I’ll easily believe it.

Quote: Hon

And Pekhtin was a deputy of the State Duma from EP. From the thought of him for this property flooded

- not only for real estate
- and not "flooded". Rod (sorry for the expression) now this .. how is it .. well, you get the idea
- and Pekhtin seems to have left

Quote: Hon

And Navalny nailed him. And what can the "patriots" boast of?

- I repeat - rather, the curators of Navalny
- it depends on what you mean by "patriots" ...

And Navalny is just a tool. Like a chisel, a hammer there ... no more difficult for sure, and certainly not an electric drill

[Hon]

No matter who found it. We have a lot of patriotic communities, for which money is allocated. And what they do is declare slogans on the fight against corruption, including screaming loudly and wearing ribbons. Only from them like from a goat of milk.
Here is Navalny's enemy and an agent of the Gomdep, but he is not in power, and cannot cause harm, but those who are on the other side of the barricades can and do. And they do it with the support of the "patriots" of the country, in fact, the "patriots" feed from their hands.

[atalef]

Quote: Odyssey

Do not exaggerate, in the USA a lot of people do not have access to simple medical services, people, sorry, live in trailers

Let's not be sorry - I saw the beggars even in Luxembourg _ let's talk about the average temperature in the hospital

Quote: Odyssey

Even in the richest cities, for example, in LA, there are areas where it is dangerous to call even by car

Have you been to LA?

Quote: Odyssey

Moreover, the USA is the richest country, the hegemon of the cap.world, and Venezuela (before Chavez) is a typical country of 3 cap.worlds.

With the largest oil reserves in the world, more than in Saudi Arabia

[Revolver]

Quote: atalef

Have you been to LA?

I was, but on the advice of the relatives living there, South Central traveled around.

[Odysseus]

Quote: atalef

Let's not be sorry - I saw the beggars even in Luxembourg _ let's talk about the average temperature in the hospital

Dear atalef You have written so much, I will not have time to answer all your posts, do not blame me.
The average temperature in a hospital in the capital country does not make sense, there are billionaires, there are beggars. So the USA is the richest country in the world I wrote in this thread about 5 times. Perhaps you did not read the topic, it all started with the fact that Andrei Yurievich wrote about poverty in Venezuela, I wrote that there is real poverty in the USA. I think it's hard to argue with that.
The question is that the United States has every opportunity to eliminate it, as well as providing everyone with normal medicine, but because of the structure of society they do not.

Quote: atalef

Have you been to LA?

You’re offending, they won’t let me in the USA (as well as in Israel) ). But in general, the thesis is not serious, is it really necessary to personally visit it in order to know about the situation in the city / country? And I was busy with number 1 opponent.
PS But I still have relatives in the USA And some are in LA.

Quote: atalef

With the largest oil reserves in the world, more than in Saudi Arabia

And how is this connected with the position of the country within the capital system? Nigeria also has a lot of oil, so what? Moreover, you exaggerate, they have recently been promoted to the first place due to the discovery of new heavy oil fields. They hang about 10th place in production, moreover, heavy oil, there were no oil refineries. They are not even close to the Saudis in terms of income.

[atalef]

Quote: Odyssey

Quote: atalef

Let's not be sorry - I saw the beggars even in Luxembourg _ let's talk about the average temperature in the hospital

Dear atalef You have written so much, I will not have time to answer all your posts, do not blame me.
The average temperature in a hospital in the capital country does not make sense, there are billionaires, there are beggars. So the USA is the richest country in the world I wrote in this thread about 5 times. Perhaps you did not read the topic, it all started with the fact that Andrei Yurievich wrote about poverty in Venezuela, I wrote that there is real poverty in the USA. I think it's hard to argue with that.
The question is that the United States has every opportunity to eliminate it, as well as providing everyone with normal medicine, but because of the structure of society they do not.

Quote: atalef

Have you been to LA?

You’re offending, they won’t let me in the USA (as well as in Israel) ). But in general, the thesis is not serious, is it really necessary to personally visit it in order to know about the situation in the city / country? And I was busy with number 1 opponent.
PS But I still have relatives in the USA And some are in LA.

Quote: atalef

With the largest oil reserves in the world, more than in Saudi Arabia

And how is this connected with the position of the country within the capital system? Nigeria also has a lot of oil, so what? Moreover, you exaggerate, they have recently been promoted to the first place due to the discovery of new heavy oil fields. They hang about 10th place in production, moreover, heavy oil, there were no oil refineries. They are not even close to the Saudis in terms of income.

I promise to answer you tomorrow - it’s very inconvenient to type and paste text from the phone

[Revolver]

Quote: Odyssey

in the US, many people do not have access to simple health services

Only illegal immigrants. Yes, and they can contact the emergency department of any hospital, and there, by law, have no right to refuse service.

Quote: Odyssey

Even in the richest cities, for example, in LA, there are areas where it is dangerous to call even by car

One hundred pounds. Thank the local population.

Quote: Odyssey

people, sorry, live in trailers.

Inside such a trailer, it’s quite a normal kopeck piece or even three rubles, no worse than the Khrushchev. Electricity, water, sewage - necessary, there may not be gas (stove and electric heating) but it may be. All have air conditioners in the windows (you’ll suffocate in the summer without them, but you can buy a new one for less than $ 100, but the truth is, without the bells and whistles, Chinese-made, used ones are much cheaper, or even pick up the one that works from the garbage). Another thing is that trailer parks are usually not in the best places.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Nagan

Only illegal immigrants. Yes, and they can contact the emergency department of any hospital, and there, by law, have no right to refuse service.

They will provide urgent help, but suppose a person has hepatitis and has no insurance (and 50 million Americans do not have it). How, who and at whose expense will treat him?

Quote: Nagan

Inside such a trailer, it’s quite a normal kopeck piece or even a three-ruble note, no worse than the Khrushchev. Electricity, water, sewage - necessary, there may not be gas (stove and electric heating) or it may be

Then you ate me I didn’t know about the coolness of American trailers. But still, I wouldn’t want to live there ... However, if we had comrades from Venezuela on the forum, they could talk about the fact that in the slums of Caracas, in principle, it’s not so bad to live

[Revolver]

Sorry, I didn’t notice your answer earlier, I hasten to answer.

Quote: Odyssey

They will provide urgent help, but suppose a person has hepatitis and has no insurance (and 50 million Americans do not have it). How, who and at whose expense will treat him?

How: like everyone with such a diagnosis, standardly, according to the latest charters and instructions.
Who: the doctor on duty in the emergency room [Emergency Room] (the option is not the best - usually they have little experience, and the loads are higher than the roof and the crazy duty schedule). Since the case is not urgent, you will sit in the queue for 3-4 hours to get an injection / pill / x-ray / human yet. And so every visit.
At whose expense: The emergency department must treat everyone, regardless of coverage or lack thereof. But the hospital has to live with something. Therefore, inflate bills to those who have insurance. Especially inflate to those who do not have insurance, but have money. If the insurance still has some leverage over the hospital and usually forces them to cut the digit more than half the initial one, then individual clients do not have such luxury.
So it’s good for those who have insurance, and those who have nothing to take. And if you have something to take, be sure to take it. There are collection agencies here too, and I had to read stories about how people went bankrupt and lost their homes due to sudden catastrophic medical problems. Conclusion: have something to lose - be careful.

[Amurets]

Quote: Hon

the only difference is that poor Americans can afford more than wealthy Venezuelans

What poor Americans can afford, you can read in Lisa Kleipas's novel Sweet Daddy. Love intrigues go there at the end of the book, but how they live in a trailer park, how they fight to survive, is very well described using the example of the main character and her mother.

[Hon]

Quote: Amurets

What can poor Americans afford?

Well, for example, do not work. yes this is a fucking life, but you can not lift the ass from the couch, even if in the trailer

[atalef]

Quote: Odyssey

, private companies naturally seek to increase prices for consumer goods and, when they try to limit them, simply create a shortage of goods, etc.

Of course, if the official dollar rate is 6.5 bolivars, and black (which as always reflects reality) is 20 times more.
At the same time, you buy currency (you can’t at the bank) and all goods are imported

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Odyssey

It is still very cheap there, at the official rate of the 95th somewhere. Oh, $ 6.

The entire burden falls on the budget, the deficit of which already accounts for 13% of GDP.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The entire burden falls on the budget, the deficit of which already accounts for 13% of GDP.

Yes, with a drop in oil prices, this whole structure happily collapses.
Before anything can be "fairly distributed", something must be produced. Otherwise, the whole "distribution" will depend on oil prices.
And then Maduro needs to decide - either he wants low state prices, well then you need to nationalize everything and build a Soviet-style economy, or he leaves private capital, well then you need to give them the opportunity to earn money (within reasonable limits). But he left the private traders and wants to so that they trade at a loss. Plus crime. Plus, the traditional orientation of local oligarchs to the United States.
Hence such a sad result.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Odyssey

or he wants low government prices

There are already low government prices, fair, as Chavez said. He started this garbage with prices, killing the whole business.

Quote: Odyssey

well then you need to nationalize everything

So for a long time everything has been nationalized. There is nothing more, only the air remains.

Quote: Odyssey

and build a Soviet-style economy,

So already built.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

So already built.

Well, what are you. The economy of the USSR is the public ownership of the means of production and the liquidation of loan interest.
The economy of Venezuela is just an attempt to redistribute oil revenues to social needs. It is very good for many people who were brought out of poverty, educated, etc. But surrounded by capital countries, this cannot last long. There is no economic base.
For example, about shops, there are private chains focused on imports from the United States (there is very little of their own production). What Chavez-Maduro did, they simply introduced state-owned Mercal stores with low fixed prices. But at the same time, they did not even close the border with Colombia ( controlled by armed gangs and through which there is a huge contraband).

[atalef]

Quote: Odyssey

Well, what are you. The economy of the USSR is the public ownership of the means of production and the liquidation of loan interest.

In the USSR, loans to the population were without interest? Are you sure ? Have you bought anything on credit?

Quote: Odyssey

For example, about shops, there are private chains focused on imports from the USA (there is very little of their own production). What Chávez-Maduro did, they simply introduced state-owned Mercal stores with low fixed prices.

And?

Quote: Odyssey

But at the same time, they did not even block the border with Colombia (which is controlled by armed gangs and through which there is huge smuggling).

Smuggling can only take place if there is a shortage or expensive prices --- otherwise it makes no sense.
Now answer me - why and how is the counter-gang going to Venezuela? Tolley prices in state stores are high, or - there are very few of them.

[Odysseus]

Quote: atalef

In the USSR, loans to the population were without interest? Are you sure ? Have you bought anything on credit?

In the USSR, there was non-cash money in production, and banks were not commercial but income-consuming bodies. They did not earn on loan interest.
Consumer lending was, but at a very small percentage (EMNIP about 2%) and guaranteed by the state.

Quote: atalef

Now answer me - why and how is the counter-gang going to Venezuela?

Smuggling primarily comes from Venezuela. Cheap goods at state prices for high crime, a hole in the border and chaos in management are simply washed out of trade and exported.

Quote: atalef

And?

And from here it’s understandable to queue for these cheap stores, plus smuggling, crime — there aren’t enough cheap goods. Private traders have set the maximum price levels on top, which didn’t cause much joy, and this is in the absence of their own production. Hence the chaos in trade.

[atalef]

Quote: Odyssey

Quote: atalef

In the USSR, loans to the population were without interest? Are you sure ? Have you bought anything on credit?

In the USSR, there was non-cash money in production, and banks were not commercial but income-consuming bodies. They did not earn on loan interest.
Consumer lending was, but at a very small percentage (EMNIP about 2%) and guaranteed by the state.

Quote: atalef

Now answer me - why and how is the counter-gang going to Venezuela?

Smuggling primarily comes from Venezuela. Cheap goods at state prices for high crime, a hole in the border and chaos in management are simply washed out of trade and exported.

Quote: atalef

And?

And from here it’s understandable to queue for these cheap stores, plus smuggling, crime — there aren’t enough cheap goods. Private traders have set the maximum price levels on top, which didn’t cause much joy, and this is in the absence of their own production. Hence the chaos in trade.

Loans for the population — were not interest-free, and even more so no state guarantees — there was simply an article in the USSR for parasitism and you would have been deducted money on the writ in any case wherever you worked — in the wild or in the zone
Contraband from Venezuela? A brain rupture - a dead man cannot die - it is not possible to smuggle what is not - except for the tales of Maduro
Chaos in commerce - from chaos in Maduro's head

[Odysseus]

Quote: atalef

Contraband from Venezuela? A brain rupture - the dead cannot die - it is not possible to smuggle what is not

There is also another one, for example, the notorious cheap gasoline can be withdrawn and sold in Colombia with a profit of 1000%.

Quote: atalef

Loans for the population were not interest-free, and even more so, no state guarantees

- "The main feature of the installment plan was that it was impossible to issue a new installment plan without paying off the old one. In addition, during the existence of the USSR, all organizational issues related to monthly payments and issuing a loan were taken over by the state.
This means that the client who has issued the goods in installments did not go monthly to the bank's cash desk to repay the loan. The loan could be repaid in installments, and the amounts to be repaid were deducted from the borrower's salary or scholarship. At the same time, the amount of the monthly loan payment should not have been more than 50% of the client's salary, pension or scholarship. "

Quote: atalef

Chaos in commerce - from chaos in Maduro's head

It is, for so many years one could decide what they still want?

[Muvka]

Quote: Odyssey

Quote: Alexander Romanov

The entire burden falls on the budget, the deficit of which already accounts for 13% of GDP.

Yes, with a drop in oil prices, this whole structure happily collapses.
Before anything can be "fairly distributed", something must be produced. Otherwise, the whole "distribution" will depend on oil prices.
And then Maduro needs to decide - either he wants low state prices, well then you need to nationalize everything and build a Soviet-style economy, or he leaves private capital, well then you need to give them the opportunity to earn money (within reasonable limits). But he left the private traders and wants to so that they trade at a loss. Plus crime. Plus, the traditional orientation of local oligarchs to the United States.
Hence such a sad result.

RushiTSya. Why does it turn me around? Why, not remembering the rules, I feel where I should put "b" and where not?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Muvka

Why, not remembering the rules, I feel where I should put "b" and where not?

Well, did the Odyssey make a mistake — is it a disaster for you? Is that a dictation?

[Mart]

Quote: Muvka

Why am I not remembering the rules

= Why am I not remembering the rules

[Odysseus]

Quote: Muvka

RushiTSya. Why does it turn me around? Why, not remembering the rules, I feel where I should put "b" and where not?

I beg your pardon. I write quickly, I do not check. I do not suffer from illiteracy
In general, to blame.

[atalef]

Quote: Odyssey

And then Maduro needs to decide, or he wants low state prices, well then you need to nationalize everything and build an economy

And what did they do and what have they been doing for 16 years? Result on face

Quote: Odyssey

. Plus, the traditional orientation of local oligarchs in the United States.
Hence such a sad result.

Decrypt.

[Odysseus]

Quote: atalef

And what did they do and what have they been doing for 16 years? Result on face

I decrypt.
Initially, Chavez came to power not as a communist (then he would simply not have been allowed to come to power), but with a very moderate program of the social-democratic sense, and the local oligarchy (for 100 years sitting under the United States) simply thought that he was an ordinary local talker of what In Latin America, there were hundreds and let him go to power. However, the very next day after the election (in his own words), a paper was brought to the table with the necessary composition of the government. And the local oligarchy was very surprised when he sent them to hell and began to really try In response, naturally followed by sabotage and an attempted coup in 2002. In response, Chavez announced the construction of "socialism of the 21st century." But here followed a fatal mistake. He either had to build socialism a la Soviet the option is either to come to an agreement with the bourgeoisie and restrict ourselves to the Social Democratic program. Both options are very difficult to implement in a country of the 3rd world, but they are quite possible.
And he also accepted his program of "renewed socialism" and began to act in a style that is very reminiscent of the actions of the Mensheviks after February 17th.
The meaning of the program is for all good versus all bad. The police no longer beat people, all media are free, we introduce low prices for basic goods (but at the same time we leave private capital), we give benefits to everyone, we do not force anyone to work, etc. etc.
Naturally, nothing but chaos came out of this, in response he blamed the local bourgeoisie for everything and began to threaten with nationalization and began to introduce some measures forcibly. In response, private capital was outraged and began to withdraw money abroad (which is possible without a monopoly on foreign trade) plus intensified sabotage.
All this, along with a hole on the border with Colombia and the natural interest of the United States in the liquidation of Maduro’s power, led to complete chaos.

[yehat]

Venezuela is in full swing towards the Maidan and an attempt to sweep away power through street protests. Venezuelans should consider whether Maduro’s role is so great in that they have difficulties. And is it possible to do better without demagoguery.

[atalef]

Quote: yehat

Venezuela is in full swing towards the Maidan and an attempt to sweep away power through street protests. Venezuelans should consider whether Maduro’s role is so great in that they have difficulties.

Chavez and Maduro have been in power for 16 years, while the country is not under sanctions, not under an embargo, or any other buzzwords.
With their populism, they drove the country into a shaft of poverty and crime.
And who else is to blame? Uncle Sam ? What? So what buys 70% of oil from them?

[atalef]

Quote: PKK

Maduro managed to raise the salary of the population three times, now let the pro-Americans disentangle if they overthrow the President.

Bad business is not tricky, with 500% inflation

[mad]

The grin of democracy, like in urkaine - the noisiest and noisiest seized power. The country is demonstratively punished so that others do not have to leave the golden cage of "American interests."

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: mad

The country is pointedly punished

Who is punishing her? Maduro, the bus driver who became president. Destroyed the country's economy completely, worse than ours in the 90s. The United States is in shock from such results. Not a single CIA and power bought with giblets can do this.

[mad]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Who is punishing her? Maduro, the bus driver who became president. He completely destroyed the country's economy, worse than ours in 90x.

It is not surprising to "destroy" the economy with 96% of foreign revenues tied to the oil needle ... Moreover, with a galloping 5th column. Maduro for the pendos is the successor to the policy of Chavez, whom they most likely sent to the next world. Here they put a handshake and the country will immediately take the path of "overcoming the crisis."

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: mad

It is not surprising to "destroy" the economy with 96% of foreign revenues tied to the oil needle

Listen, for us, too, it was blasted, but the economy survived. Maduro completely destroyed the news of the sector of small and medium business. He nationalized everything that is possible, Chavez has already begun. Money flowed from the country. Investors can’t drive sticks there.

Quote: mad

. Yes, even with a jumping 5 column

And the 5th column there is millions who have become poor thanks to Muduro and Chavez.

Quote: mad

. Maduro for the Pendos is a follower of Chavez’s policy,

And who is Muduro for you?

Quote: mad

They will put a handshake and the country will immediately take the path of "overcoming the crisis."

When a man with a head comes to power, then life will begin to improve there.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Maduro completely destroyed the news of the sector of small and medium business. He nationalized everything that is possible, Chavez has already begun. Money flowed from the country.

Oh well there. There are private banks, private media, not to mention private stores, etc.
Again, the problem of Venezuela is that it is not there and not here. Their socialism "without any compulsion" is not viable.
For example, the rapid increase in crime was largely generated by the reform of the police as a result of which its repressive functions were sharply limited.
That is, the actions of Chavez are directly opposite to the actions of the USSR and China after the civil war.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Odyssey

There are private banks, private media, not to mention private stores, etc.

What? What? What?
You trade in products, put 20% on top and trade. A government official comes and says that prices should be fair, according to Muduro. Reduce prices by 50%. That's the kind of private business in Venezuela

Quote: Odyssey

There are private banks

Where?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Where?

In Venezuela
Moreover, the number of borrowers from commercial banks is growing all the time.
http://knoema.ru/WBWDIGDF2016May/world-development-indicators-wdi-may-2016
As for Chavez’s threats: to promise like that doesn’t mean to marry. Some of the banks were really nationalized there, but private ones remained.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

You trade in products, put 20% on top and trade. A government official comes and says that prices should be fair, according to Muduro. Reduce prices by 50%. That's the kind of private business in Venezuela

So, I say, you cannot force a private trader to trade at a loss, you need to either nationalize everything or agree with the private traders on the rules of the game.

[atalef]

Quote: Odyssey

In Venezuela
Moreover, the number of borrowers from commercial banks is growing all the time.

of course - minute loans

Quote: Odyssey

As for Chavez’s threats: to promise like that doesn’t mean to marry. Some of the banks were really nationalized there, but private ones remained.

everything is ruined there. the rest is half-broken, corruption goes off scale. crime in one of the first places in the world

[Odysseus]

Quote: atalef

. crime in one of the first places in the world

That’s yes, and I myself don’t understand, but what kind of socialism can there be when crime is higher in Venezuela than in Colombia or Mexico? Almost the first thing they really need to do is to suppress banditry.

[mad]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

When a man with a head comes to power, then life will begin to improve there.

Well, they’ll bring a person receiving zp in the State Department do you think the country will get better ?? Vaughn Poroshenko’s life in the neighbors is establishing that soon everyone will begin to swell from hunger.

[Odysseus]

Quote: mad

Well, they’ll bring a person receiving zp in the State Department do you think the country will get better ??

Ordinary people will, of course, become much worse. And Russia will become worse, now we have excellent relations with Venezuela.
Just respected Alexander Romanov does not like the Communists, and Chavez-Maduro straightened pretty well.
But they messed up with good intentions, they wanted (and want) to build socialism without cruelty, the struggle against the bourgeoisie and all coercion.
But this only happens in fairy tales.

[atalef]

Quote: Odyssey

And Russia will become worse, now we have excellent relations with Venezuela.

Well, it has not yet demanded back debts.

Quote: Odyssey

But messed up with good intentions

Reminds an anegdot of pro-Lenin
- Like, and eyes are so kind - kind

Quote: Odyssey

they want to) build socialism without cruelty, the struggle against the bourgeoisie and all coercion.

without coercion? Do not write nonsense, forced privatization and official plunder of private stores - without coercion in your opinion?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: mad

Well, they’ll bring a person receiving zp in the State Department do you think the country will get better ??

What did you molest with your State Department ??? What does the State Department have to do with it, if the country is on the verge of a complete disaster.

[Manul]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

What did you molest with your State Department ??? What does the State Department have to do with it, if the country is on the verge of a complete disaster.

And what, is Maduro to blame? And in the DPRK - Eun, I know)). We, too, became well with the advent of EBN. And now things are getting bad because of Putin. So what? Such logic?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Manul

And what, is Maduro to blame?

No damn it, the State Department is ruining the economy of Venezuela at the hands of Muduro.

Quote: Manul

And in the DPRK - Eun, I know)).

And the DPRK now lives better than Venezuela — why?

Quote: Manul

We, too, became well with the advent of EBN. And now things are getting bad because of Putin. So what? Such logic?

To the hospital and urgently!

[Manul]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And the DPRK now lives better than Venezuela — why?

What time! It turns out that North Korea is not so gloomy ..? In general, any country, if it goes along the path of disagreement with American politics, then everything is bad there, the rulers there are tyrants and despots (remember Hussein and Gaddafi) and they are surely shouted by Atalef, a professor and novels. However.

[atalef]

Quote: Manul

And what, is Maduro to blame?

No Vasya Pupkin

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Listen, for us, too, it was blasted, but the economy survived. Maduro completely destroyed the news of the sector of small and medium business. He nationalized everything that is possible, Chavez has already begun. Money flowed from the country. Investors can’t drive sticks there

Yesterday, my colleague Jörg (he is from Austria, and his brother lives in Venezuela) said that Lufthansa had stopped flying there. Maduro forbade taking profits out of the country, and exchanges the cost of tickets sold at the official rate (which is 20 times less than black) in the end - aufiderzeien.

Quote: Alexander Romanov

And who is Muduro for you?

For Russia ? The one who owes 4 billion and will never give back

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

For Russia ?

Sanya, it’s a hemorrhoid for Russia, which owes money this is understandable, but personally for a citizen it is not clear. But for Gromovoi Elena it’s clear-you’re there comrade-brother-friend-president Muduro hold on. There is no money, but you hold on. All the best

Quote: atalef

in the end - aufiderzeien.

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Sanya, it’s a hemorrhoid for Russia, which owes money it’s understandable, but personally for a citizen it’s not clear

Well, to make it clear, Maduro owes to every resident of Russia about 35 bucks .... and he won’t give

Quote: Alexander Romanov

But for Gromovoi Elena it’s clear-you’re there comrade-brother-friend-president Muduro hold on. There is no money, but you hold on. All the best

[Revolver]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

it’s a hemorrhoid for Russia, which owes money it’s understandable, but personally for a citizen it’s not clear. But for Gromovoi Elena it’s clear-you’re there comrade-brother-friend-president Muduro hold on. There is no money, but you hold on.

100500 ++++++++++++

[Manul]

Quote: atalef

For Russia ? The one who owes 4 billion and will never give back

And how many states owe everyone?

[atalef]

Quote: Manul

Quote: atalef

For Russia ? The one who owes 4 billion and will never give back

And how many states owe everyone?

What do you want? Or do you want to shift the debts of Venezuela to Russia?

[AID.S]

Quote: mad

They will put a handshake and the country will immediately take the path of "overcoming the crisis."

And in profile.

[yehat]

Libya lived safely and for a long time on oil, Venezuela is even easier to do.

[Odysseus]

Quote: yehat

Libya lived safely and for a long time on oil, Venezuela is even easier to do.

By the way, a good example. Libya also had its own version of socialism, but it was much more adequate to local conditions (though they had easier times, they started back in the Soviet Union).
There were no such radical problems as in Venezuela, and in the end the West had to "feed" Gaddafi in order to collapse the Jamahiriya, then use the "Islamic factor" and launch a direct military invasion.

[7race]

Quote: PKK

Maduro managed to raise his salary three times

Maduro-samoduro can raise at least 10 times - in stores from this goods will not increase. Inflation hezh - see Germany after the WWII.
Gas station country. Oil prices fell - the economy was covered by a female genital organ. Plus, non-professional populists are in power, they speak smoothly, but it turns out nasty.
No wonder, the right word.
And we have a lesson - a good housewife does not put all the eggs in one basket - so that does not work out ...

ps: and why did I suddenly become a German? I live in the God-saved ...

[Professor]

You can’t experiment with the country. Here is the result. The country is the richest in oil, and it is in ruin, products by cards and the purchase of oil by the same country abroad. I’m generally silent about relations with neighbors. Chavez burn in hell.

[inkass_98]

Regarding the purchase of oil by Venezuela, I must say thank you to the Americans for the method of processing raw materials in the country (I think that you know this), who organized exploration and oil production here at one time. Oil in Venezuela is produced in bulk "heavy", and refineries are traditionally located in the United States. The country itself traditionally refines "light" oil, which they just buy, and in the same States. And then, as they say, "watch your hands".
Well, the fact that the country's leaders did not bother to organize the processing of their own oil on their territory is, of course, sad and short-sighted, you can’t say anything good here.

[Hon]

Quote: inkass_98

Regarding the purchase of oil by Venezuela, I must say thank you to the Americans for the method of processing raw materials in the country (I think that you know this), who organized exploration and oil production here at one time. Oil in Venezuela is produced in bulk "heavy", and refineries are traditionally located in the United States.

Obama is to blame, the bastard did not build factories for the Venezuelans, such bastards built such Americans.

[atalef]

Quote: inkass_98

Regarding the purchase of oil by Venezuela - I must say thanks to the Americans for the method of processing raw materials in the country

Is America the same to blame?
Sell ​​to others, or build your processing plants in 16 years

Quote: inkass_98

Oil in Venezuela is produced in bulk "heavy", and refineries are traditionally located in the United States

Traditionally

Quote: inkass_98

In the country itself, "light" oil is also traditionally processed, which they just buy, and in the same States

A brain rupture - couldn’t you build heavy oil refineries at home?

Quote: inkass_98

Well, the fact that the country's leaders did not bother to organize the processing of their own oil on their territory is, of course, sad and short-sighted, you can’t say anything good here.

But Americans are to blame.

[Odysseus]

There is no analogy between modern Russia and Venezuela (more precisely, it is only in the view of the Western media).
Venezuela is trying to build socialism (in my opinion their version of socialism is extremely unsuccessful), having left the position of a typical strange peripheral capitalism.
Russia, on the contrary, from socialism came to the state of a country of peripheral capitalism, but with a large number of Soviet assets (oil, gas, nuclear weapons, science, a place in the UN Security Council, etc.) That is, the countries are more likely opposed to each other.
The problems of Venezuela are primarily to blame for the leadership of Venezuela itself (it is clear that the United States will seek to overthrow Chavez-Maduro, but blaming them for this is frivolous, the American imperialists, of course, take care of their interests).
Their version of socialism, without Soviet power and with "fair distribution without coercion" is not viable.
The presence of the institutions of bourgeois democracy means only that the opposition parties will always by any means seek to "overthrow the regime", of course, with the help of the United States. That is, the country will forever be in a state of sluggish civil war.
And an attempt to "distribute" without industrialization and the desire for full employment, while at the same time rigidly restoring order in the law enforcement sphere, can only lead to continued dependence on the United States (for the purchase of oil), a surge in crime, unemployment and interruptions in the supply of consumer goods organized by private companies.
We must wish Maduro good luck — I would not want them to fall under the Americans, but frankly, with such a policy, there is little chance of this.

[Andrey Yuryevich]

Quote: Odyssey

We must wish Maduro good luck — I would not want them to fall under the Americans, but frankly, with such a policy, there is little chance of this.

luck is stupid, it won’t help. Brains need to be turned on first (if there are any, I personally doubt it).

[Monarchist]

Chavez did better, but in general all socialist innovations degenerate. Example Nicaragua built built socialism and degenerated perfectly. Vietnam-fought with the United States and everything else, and now the United States is going to supply

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Monarchist

Chavez did better

Chavez would now be in the same situation at such oil prices.

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Monarchist

Chavez did better

Chavez would now be in the same situation at such oil prices.

Actually, he died on time. Now I would have watched the collapse of Venezuela and Obama in Cuba.
+ The failure of Morales in Bolivia (who are fed up with the same cheap populism)
Now, Chavech would slurp the cuffs at his red shirt.
All that Venezuela eats now is laid by Chavez

[Hon]

just oil was more expensive

[Odysseus]

Quote: Monarchist

Chavez did better

Maduro also continues his policy. He only had more personal authority.

Quote: Monarchist

Example nicaragua built built socialism and beautifully degenerated

What is socialism in Nicaragua? As far as I can remember, there was a typical pro-American dictatorship, and then a civil war (in fact, an element of confrontation between the USSR and the USA). When the USSR collapsed, "socialism" naturally ended, too small and weak state, besides, close to the United States.

Quote: Monarchist

.Vietnam-fought with the United States and everything else, and now the United States is going to supply

What is wrong with Vietnam? Everything is in order. Are they trading with America? So, after all, when the Soviet Union needed it, it not only traded with the USA, but also received help (Lend-Lease).

[Karasik]

Here it is, the beauty of Venezuela: the largest oil reserves on the planet, the eighth place in the world in gas reserves, the richest amount of gold resources, strategic metals, etc.

... USA really influences the situation in Venezuela ...

Of course, they lied about the largest oil reserves on the planet. But nevertheless, the thought is expressed correctly. To live exclusively on the export of energy resources is a path to the loss of sovereignty. The Venezuelan government now has little time left to normalize the situation (as I understood it until October 2016), so some extraordinary decisions and actions are needed to raise its rating. Or ... "Glory to Venezuela! Glory to Heroes! Venezuela ponad USE ... etc."

[Blackmokona]

https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/%D0%9C%D0%B8%D1%80%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B5_%D0%B7%
D0%B0%D0%BF%D0%B0%D1%81%D1%8B_%D0%BD%D0%B5%D1%84%D1%82%D0%B8
The largest in Venice.

[Tsoy]

Maduro completely flew off the coils, the other day there was news that all the troops were in full combat readiness, because the president was being attacked by the US invasion ... apparently he wanted to cover in this way the preparations for a pacification of the rebellion ...

[parusnik]

Hmm ... Venezuela is a rich country .. the Americans will return there ...

[aszzz888]

A little dough will be thrown up by the mericatos (it’s a pity that there is a printing press and ink!), Their rotten, but cheap products - that’s all. Venezuelans will become striped friends.

[Riv]

Maduro tried to cross socialism with capitalism, and with imperialist capitalism. But a socialist country, by definition, cannot be an equal part of the capitalist system. Either she puts a bolt on democracy and gets the Stalinist system, or she has to refuse socialist innovations.

At the same time, not everyone can eat a fish or climb a tree.

[Odysseus]

Quote: Riv

Either she puts a bolt on democracy and gets the Stalinist system, or she has to refuse socialist innovations.

Not necessarily purely Stalinist, there are many options for socialism. But if you are talking about socialism (especially being in the position of the 3rd country of the world under US control), then some basic things need to be done — for example, you cannot leave the media under the control of private corporations.
Otherwise, it is not necessary to talk about socialism, but it is necessary to carry out a social-democratic program, gradually limiting the appetites of private capital.
Well, it’s absolutely incomprehensible why Chávez-Maduro does not fight crime growth.
It is necessary for any independent state with any system.

[Riv]

Well, or Castro's socialism. It is not important. No "gradually" will work here. It will be like with Allende.

[Reptiloid]

It’s unfortunate that a US henchman comes. THEN, in all likelihood, all contracts with the Russian Federation will be destroyed and Russian loans not returned?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: Reptiloid

.TEN, in all probability, all agreements with the Russian Federation will be destroyed

Which for example?

Quote: Reptiloid

and not returned Russian loans?

Hahahaa, otherwise someone will return us

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: Reptiloid

.TEN, in all probability, all agreements with the Russian Federation will be destroyed

Which for example?

Quote: Reptiloid

and not returned Russian loans?

Hahahaa, otherwise someone will return us

+100500

[elenagromova]

I wish Venezuela to prevent the conspiracy, and Nicolas Maduro - if necessary, act as tough as possible and not be humane. I was a humanist, but unfortunately, sometimes excessive humanity to "opposition" leads to dire consequences. You will stand and win, Comrade President!

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: elenagromova

then act as hard as possible and not humanize. I AM

Kill everyone Drown Venezuela in the blood and generally ban foods.

Quote: elenagromova

. You stand and win, comrade President!

Gee gee.
Ohrenet, Elena, why is "Comrade President Muduro" everything for you, but the people who are really starving are nothing?

[atalef]

Quote: elenagromova

I wish Venezuela to prevent the conspiracy, and Nicolas Maduro - if necessary, then act as hard as possible and not humanize

That's right, it’s best to shoot people in lines - you don’t have to spend a lot of money and ammunition
Elena, are you against the legal right of workers to demonstrate?
Communist - lime

Quote: elenagromova

I was a humanist, but unfortunately, sometimes excessive humanity to "opposition" leads to dire consequences.

The humanist Gromova - well, come on, go shoot the hungry, card-paying workers, teachers, and doctors.

Quote: elenagromova

You stand and win, comrade President!

President proper name?

[elenagromova]

You really decide. One of two things - they are either hungry, or get a grub cards. If they get grub, how can they be hungry?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: elenagromova

If they get food, how can they be hungry?

And as before in the DPRK, on ​​cards twice a week, a minimum of products so that they do not die at all.
Elena, you are a journalist, but at the same time, instead of taking a neutral position and presenting facts - on products, salaries, the economy as a whole. You are stupidly not presenting anything, either you are stupidly ignoring questions, or you are answering a question with a question, or, even worse, how Mr. Poroshenko blames all troubles on Putin. In your case, the State Department.
When the country is in crisis, do you need an external enemy right?

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Elena, you are a journalist,

what the fuck is she a journalist - she's an agitator

Quote: Alexander Romanov

but at the same time, instead of taking a neutral position and presenting facts

Elena has only facts that she likes or is wrong

Quote: Alexander Romanov

When the country is in crisis, do you need an external enemy right?

Of course, it is strange that Elena did not mention

The disappearance of food, beer and contraceptives has lowered the rating of the Venezuelan president, who decided to rectify the situation by returning two-thirds of neighboring Guyana to "home harbor".

In Venezuela, South America’s largest oil producer, terrible things are happening. Following milk, vegetable oil, condoms, diapers and toilet paper, the country ends with a strategically important source of social optimism - beer. The Polar brewery holding, which produces about 80 percent of the country's foamy drink, has closed half of its enterprises, the remaining ones are cutting production and preparing it for conservation.
The growing tension inside Venezuela, the discovery of oil in Guyana, and the recent change of government in this country made Maduro act. To begin with, he announced his claims to the Essexibo Basin (that's almost two-thirds of Guyana - The Washington Post map). Then he drew on the map the sea border between the two countries, according to which the field found by the Americans is located on the Venezuelan shelf, and Guyana remains only a narrow, unremarkable strip of the shelf, and also created the state agency Essexibo’s Salvation Cabinet, which was instructed to “return the land to its home harbor ancestors. " The first task of this structure was to distribute Venezuelan passports to 200 thousand inhabitants of the region, whom Maduro is going to save from themselves.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

Elena has only facts that she likes or is wrong

She ran away, probably for facts that will refute our lies

Quote: atalef

who decided to rectify the situation by returning "to his home harbor" two-thirds of neighboring Guyana.

Oh warrior, of course, an excellent way out. Calling up hundreds of thousands in the army, introducing martial law, dispersing the dissatisfied, especially insolent from the lack of food in prison. And voila, you can edit further for some time.
There is one BUT, Russia will not shake it, even if it’s a great desire, it’s too far. But the USA, they may not understand such jokes from Mudura. And in Venezuela, democracy can really come with all the consequences.

[atalef]

Quote: elenagromova

You already decide. One of two things is that they are either hungry or they receive food by cards.

Gap template.

Amid a growing deficit in Venezuela, authorities restricted visits to state food stores twice a week. The country has already introduced cards for basic goods for the poor.
Law enforcement agencies are constantly serving around shops selling goods for the poor, out of fear of unrest.

Residents of the country have to spend several hours in lines every day to buy goods such as milk or flour. The excitement in the sale of the deficit forced the local authorities to resort to various kinds of restrictions. For example, according to RIA Novosti, Yarakuy was banned from standing in line at night, as its governor, Julio Leon Heredia, considered that it was mainly speculators who showed such activity. He tweeted: “Yesterday, after examining the numerous complaints of the population, I ordered people to not spend nights near retail outlets.”


Read more at RBC:
http://www.rbc.ru/politics/15/01/2015/54b7998e9a794703321f73d6

Quote: elenagromova

If they get food, how can they be hungry?

Just like you can love Maduro, but no reciprocity.

[elenagromova]

Well, it's just as obvious that the United States is pushing the Chilean-Yugoslav scenario ... It's ridiculous to blame Maduro for something - he needs to be supported in every way. If necessary - the same as Syria.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: elenagromova

It's ridiculous to blame Maduro for something -

Of course, the economy itself fell apart

Quote: elenagromova

it needs to be supported in every way.

Elena, support from your pocket. Good luck! Hi Muduro!

[atalef]

Quote: elenagromova

Well, it's just as obvious that the US is pushing the Chilean-Yugoslav scenario

Quote: elenagromova

It is ridiculous to blame Maduro for something - he needs to be supported in every way.

We need to give more money (preferably your personal - Elena)

Quote: elenagromova

If necessary, it’s like Syria.

Well, for the full picture, the Russians also need to bomb Venezuela.
Quite to you Elena became ill.

[Leto]

Maduro is clearly not Chavez, there is no charisma, not to mention the mind, one gorlopanstvo ...

[elenagromova]

Chavez, of course, no one will replace. But it was Chavez who declared Maduro the heir of his Cause.
And it is clear that if, God forbid, he is overthrown, then an American protege will come.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: elenagromova

But it was Chavez who declared Maduro the heir to his Cause.

Elena, there is no money, but you and Muduro are holding on there. All the best.

[elenagromova]

America will establish their orders. But maybe they will give money. In debt and under huge interest. Passed through.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: elenagromova

The Americans will establish their orders.

And Muduro is helping them in this, as no one is helping. The people are already howling from Muduro and are ready, even praying the devil, so long as your comrade president ceases to scoff at the country.
Sami then in Venezuelan paradise when you move? You need to support a friend who will soon be kicked in the ass by his own people.

[elenagromova]

Hate how much hate ...

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: elenagromova

Hate how much, hate

Hate? This is what hatred is that? Drive a country into poverty is idiocy! I don’t have any hatred, I spit deep on Muduro. They will overthrow him tomorrow and to hell with him, it’s his own fault. Russia has enough problems of its own to run after a nerd who drove his people into poverty with a handkerchief.

[atalef]

Quote: elenagromova

Hate how much hate ...

How much love do you have Elena for Maduro, just a question for what?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

How much love do you have Elena for Maduro, just a question for what?

Sanya, love is evil .......

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: atalef

How much love do you have Elena for Maduro, just a question for what?

Sanya, love is evil .......

I very much understand Elena.
She has the happiness of unrequited love of Zakharchenko, Assad and Maduro.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

She has the happiness of unrequited love of Zakharchenko, Assad and Maduro.

No, well, everything is clear with Zakhar and Assad, here Moscow harnessed, but Muduro I can’t understand with any side.
Moscow, like me, spit deeply. Well, trade and no more than 4 billion bucks were lent to him, they gave him a read. Well, he’s good from him.

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

Well, we are not talking about Moscow, but about Gromova

And she’s talking about Mudura
Mexican company Coca-Cola FEMSA has warned of an imminent suspension of soda production in Venezuela due to a shortage of ingredients. According to the company, the company is already working in conditions of acute sugar shortage.
Is there not enough sugar in the country? The State Department is completely fucked up.

In Venezuela, the largest military exercises in the modern history of the country have begun. Up to 520 thousand people will take part in them.
How much money will be spent on this? We do not conduct such exercises. Too expensive.

“The largest bill is 100 bolivars. You can buy one egg on it ”
Egg from Muduro

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

“The largest bill is 100 bolivars. You can buy one egg on it ”

[atalef]

Quote: elenagromova

Americans will establish their orders

Poor americans with their American order, totley affair Venezuela

Quote: elenagromova

But maybe they will give money. In debt and at huge interest. Passed

All the signs of the most acute crisis in Venezuela are obvious: inflation is 181%, and last year the economy contracted by 5,7%, oil production, the main export product, is falling. The collapse in prices for it hit the Venezuelan economy very painfully. Revenues from the sale of oil account for 95% of the budget of Venezuela. To get a deficit-free budget in 2015, according to calculations by economists at Deutsche Bank, Caracas needed a barrel of oil to cost $ 117,5.

The dire economic situation led to an acute political crisis. EThe result was the victory of the right in the parliamentary elections in December last year and the demand to dismiss President Maduro. Impeachment, according to polls, is supported by approx. 70% of Venezuelans.

Over the past 8 years, Caracas has received $ 60 billion in loans from Beijing, representing almost half of all Chinese loans in Latin America. Venezuela received the last Chinese loan of $ 5 billion at the end of August 2015. Loans are repaid by oil supplies, the import of which the Celestial Empire ranks first in the world. To pay off debts, China receives 700 thousand barrels of Venezuelan oil daily.

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

Quote: elenagromova

But it was Chavez who declared Maduro the heir to his Cause.

Elena, there is no money, but you and Muduro are holding on there. All the best.

Have a good mood

[atalef]

Quote: elenagromova

Chavez, of course, no one will replace

Replaces, dead Chavez, can replace, dead Lenin

Quote: elenagromova

But it was Chavez who declared Maduro the heir to his Cause.

A bullseye from an apple tree is not far to roll

Quote: elenagromova

And it is clear that if, God forbid, he is overthrown, then an American protege will come.

And who will overthrow, you are against the will of the people of Venezuela?

[Alexander Romanov]

Quote: atalef

Replaces, dead Chavez, can replace, dead Lenin

I don’t see a problem, dig Chavez, put him at the table, let him rule.

Quote: atalef

And who will overthrow, you are against the will of the people of Venezuela?

I wonder if Muduro shoots a couple of demonstrations, what will Mrs. Gromova write?

One of the richest oil countries was on the verge of mass hunger and a social explosion. Cases of looting have become more frequent. Last week, a 5th crowd stormed the wholesale market of Maracay. According to sellers, people began to jump over the shelves and rake everything that came to hand. The police could not oppose anything to them.
And the State Department is also to blame for this

[atalef]

Quote: Alexander Romanov

I don’t see a problem, dig Chavez, put him at the table, let him rule.

[Alexander Romanov]

Oct 31 2013 - the ghost of Hugo Chavez reappeared to Nicolas Maduro
And said, Yes they will hang you

[vladimirvn]

In a capitalist environment, building an island of socialism is extremely difficult. Only the party of the Bolsheviks (communists), in our country in Russia, with their strict discipline and fanatical devotion to the idea, could only do this. And the presence of world-class personalities, such as Stalin.

[Perseus]

Quote: Odyssey

Do not exaggerate, in the USA a lot of people do not have access to simple medical services, people, sorry, live in trailers. Even in the richest cities, for example, in LA, there are areas where it’s dangerous even to drive by car (by the way, in Russia for all our shortcomings there are no such ghetto regions), and Venezuela has enough wealthy people, despite the fact that the USA is the richest country, the hegemon of the cap.world, and Venezuela (before Chavez) is a typical country of 3 cap.worlds.

again, tales about the oppressed working class by the capitalists, and the oppressed blacks ... maybe enough already?

[Odysseus]

Quote: Perseus

again, tales about the oppressed working class by the capitalists, and the oppressed blacks ... maybe enough already?

My dear fellow in ancient mythology.
First: it is not clear where you saw in my message "oppressed blacks" and "working class"?
Secondly: now the borders are open, information is spread instantly, it’s difficult to conceal anything, so you can easily check my words by getting an American visa; you just need to buy a ticket to, say, the glorious city of Philadelphia and cross the river there and take a stroll in the wonderful Camden area, or you can not even cross the river and take a walk in South and West Philly.
There you will receive complete satisfaction with your curiosity, here you have only one misfortune, although we are a demigod, but after this walk we may lose you ...