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For automated accounting for domestic ammunition will begin to apply bar codes

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Igor Kozlov, General Director of Roselectronica, reports that barcodes will now be applied to domestic-made munitions. According to Kozlov, this will make it possible to set up an automatic centralized control system for the storage and consumption of ammunition. About this newspaper writes "News", referring to the head of "Roselectronics":


Bar coding of ammunition allows not only to know where and in what quantity these or other ammunition are stored, their duration in the warehouse, and consumption, but also represent the life cycle of each of them. That is, to understand the condition of the product, whether it can still be exploited or it is time to dispose of it. Previously, such accounting was carried out on paper - in accounting and control logs.



It is reported that a special optical system for recognition of bar codes of domestic ammunition has already appeared in Russia. Its creation involved a subsidiary of the company "Roselectronika" - concern "Shvabe".

For automated accounting for domestic ammunition will begin to apply bar codes


With the help of a barcode, it will be possible for certain military equipment to recognize certain types of ammunition. In particular, we are talking about automatic loaders tanks T-14 Armata and self-propelled guns 2S35 Coalition. The recognition system with high accuracy will find in the ammunition depot and send to the breech of the barrel the type of ammunition with which the crew intends to hit the target in a specific situation.
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  1. svp67
    svp67 8 June 2016 06: 50
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    The director general of the company "Roselectronika" Igor Kozlov reports that barcodes will now be applied to the ammunition of domestic production.
    Of course, it's good that accounting is even more strict, but I'm not happy. As for the "barcode", it can get dirty, smeared, come off. It's time to CHIP the shells, and then the fire control system can automatically receive information about the characteristics of the shell, in particular the weight characteristics, etc., and so on. Then the shooting will become more accurate, especially at long ranges.
    By the way, and accounting, with CHIP it will be possible to establish easier and more efficiently.
    1. solo.oboroten
      solo.oboroten 8 June 2016 07: 24
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      Quote: svp67
      It’s time to CHIP the shells, and then information on the features of the shell, in particular weight characteristics, etc., etc., can automatically enter the fire control system, then the shooting will become more accurate, especially at long ranges.

      And the location of any storage point can be easily detected by simple radio ... (For example, from a drone.)

      Any contactless chips are equipped with antennas. And any antenna, with imperfect coordination with the transmission medium (air), reflects the signal very well in the frequency band of its operation. That is, when disguising the location of ammunition, they will have to take care of their shelter with a radio-absorbing layer. (It is radar absorbing, because grounded screens are also good reflectors.)
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 June 2016 08: 32
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        Quote: solo.oboroten
        And the location of any storage point can be easily detected by simple radio ... (For example, from a drone.)

        I assure you that modern reconnaissance equipment and ordinary, old-type ammunition are found at a distance of several kilometers, if they are not covered by special means ... So that’s not an argument.
      2. Pereira
        Pereira 8 June 2016 09: 46
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        Now the adversary will know for sure which shell personally killed each of his soldiers and know who personally fired the shell on our side (name, position, rank).
        After this, claims will go not to abstract Russia, but to our specific military man. And the barcode will be accepted by the court as irrefutable evidence.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 June 2016 10: 57
          +1
          That's not the point.

          Each shell has its own weight mark. Showing the deviation of the projectile weight from the table. At the moment, it is discrete. With the introduction of an automatic parameter acquisition system, it will be possible to enter real, non-discrete data, which will increase accuracy.
          The same with charges. One batch differs from another in its deviation of the initial speed from the table. And here it’s even more complicated.
          For example, a universal ballistic radar is now being installed at the Coalition, which will introduce amendments to the next shot on the previous one. If charges from different batches are used, special accuracy cannot be achieved. And the money spent on sophisticated equipment will be wasted.

          So it goes...
    2. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 8 June 2016 07: 39
      +4
      in this case, the QR code is displayed there! and it can be laser applied directly to the surface of the product! and if necessary, even with severe contamination it can be readily wiped!
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 8 June 2016 08: 33
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      Those who will blow their heads off with a fragment of such ammunition are deeply purple with a barcode or not laughing
    5. Lopatov
      Lopatov 8 June 2016 09: 14
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      Quote: svp67
      It's time to CHIP the shells, and then information on the features of the shell, in particular weight characteristics, etc., etc., can automatically come into the fire control system

      It is intended. But it is quite possible that the characteristics of the projectile can also be written in the barcode

      But guided ammunition, there is only chipping. To account for operational history
      1. svp67
        svp67 8 June 2016 09: 26
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        hi
        Quote: Spade
        To account for operational history

        And accordingly, about all control checks, in general, you can enter a lot of information into a small CHIP, including for the prosecutor repeat
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 June 2016 09: 35
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          Quote: svp67
          And accordingly about all control checks

          Now there is a form on each capping. In which supposedly everything should be entered ...

          Plus guided ammunition and RSZOshny missiles need a simple accelerometer. To account for falls. Any crack in the powder block of the engine is a great danger to their own.
      2. iConst
        iConst 8 June 2016 11: 07
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        Quote: Spade
        But guided ammunition, there is only chipping. To account for operational history

        -Cool.

        But for me the term "exploitation history" remains mysterious.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 8 June 2016 11: 23
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          Quote: iConst
          But for me the term "exploitation history" remains mysterious.

          The history of maintenance, accounting of checks on the operation of electronics, transportation by air, being in the installation of BM, there a lot of things should be taken into account.
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    6. Jackking
      Jackking 8 June 2016 10: 22
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      And therefore it has not been done, probably, that would-be sofa experts, instead of doing something with their own hands, only know how to pronounce "cleverness" read somewhere ...
    7. iConst
      iConst 8 June 2016 11: 03
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      Quote: svp67
      It's time to CHIP shells

      Perfectly in the hole.
      For example, I came up with a smart shell - with legs and handles. And no automatic loaders needed!
      He ordered - and the shell climbed into the gun. And ammo like ants.

      True, the task remained unresolved - how to avoid the crowds near the breech - how all at once will rush to execute the order ...
  2. Spartanez300
    Spartanez300 8 June 2016 06: 51
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    Now it will be much more convenient to control and use ammunition.
  3. corporal
    corporal 8 June 2016 06: 52
    +3
    Idea is good good , but here's the implementation .... again, the Russian "as always" would not work.

    Z.Y. I started reading about barcodes, and for some reason the cashier from the supermarket dreamed
    1. Alexdark
      Alexdark 8 June 2016 07: 20
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      Yes, these are generally QR codes. They may contain any information, including links. The barcode is in the past.
    2. Lunic
      Lunic 8 June 2016 07: 21
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      Sunk into the soul .. cashier? laughing
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  5. Mikhail m
    Mikhail m 8 June 2016 06: 53
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    It will be a matter of honor to deceive the system. So our ensign is arranged.
  6. Andrey K
    Andrey K 8 June 2016 06: 54
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    Taking into account the "loss" of trunks and ammunition in the dashing 90s in our country and the disappearance from the warehouses of our former fraternal republics at the present time, this measure of control is quite justifiable.
    If the system is tied to a single center, then there really will be an opportunity to see where in the munition (mines, shells, missiles) the storage period is suitable. Accordingly, it will be possible to exercise - to bring the necessary products in advance for future use, so as not to later discover warehouses clogged with shells suitable only for disposal.
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 8 June 2016 07: 24
      +1
      Considering either news or rumors about the creation of Unified Supply Centers for the place of old Storage Warehouses (I do not vouch for the terminology, rather convey the essence), it is quite possible
  7. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 8 June 2016 06: 55
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    Applying and identifying a barcode will probably lead to an increase in the cost of ammunition and equipment, although I have not heard if this is likely.
  8. Wedmak
    Wedmak 8 June 2016 06: 56
    +1
    The recognition system with high accuracy will find in the ammunition depot and send to the breech of the barrel the type of ammunition with which the crew intends to hit the target in a specific situation.

    And together with the sales receipt will send to the destination. )))
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 8 June 2016 07: 29
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      Quote: Wedmak
      And together with the sales receipt will send to the destination. )))

      And the warranty card does not forget. laughing
  9. inkass_98
    inkass_98 8 June 2016 06: 58
    +4
    In fairness, this is not a barcode, but a QR code.
  10. Moore
    Moore 8 June 2016 06: 58
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    It is reported that a special optical system for barcode recognition of domestic ammunition has already appeared in Russia. Its creation was dealt with by a subsidiary of the company Roselektronika - the Schwabe concern.

    I wonder why the barcoding system is so radically different from any other warehouse that it must be "created"?
    After all, they probably use the same 1C-"eight".
  11. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 8 June 2016 07: 22
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    You can't stop progress! Now "For ISIS" can be written in the QR code)
  12. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 8 June 2016 07: 24
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    The system is necessary and timely, the only question is the reliability of the code reading. Warehouses art weapons are not pharmacy shelves, and the battlefield is not operational. Dust, dirt, oil ..., and there are few factors that prevent the optically reliable reading of information. Something I have not met in foreign sources about such know-how. Here, it seems to me, not everything is thought out, or again an attempt to push through what is in the industry where money can be washed.
    God forbid the automatic loader will confuse a blank shot with a military one, for example, or will not be able to make decisions at all because of the inability to count.
    For the idea to work, you need to implement it on other principles - contrast-color marking, magnetic (anti-magnetic) tags, chips, but you never know what else can be offered. In general, without rejecting the very idea of ​​accounting, minus the principle in war.
    1. AdekvatNICK
      AdekvatNICK 8 June 2016 07: 34
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      you mentioned everything except the cost of all these innovations.
  13. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 8 June 2016 07: 25
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    The system is necessary and timely, the only question is the reliability of the code reading. Warehouses art weapons are not pharmacy shelves, and the battlefield is not operational. Dust, dirt, oil ..., and there are few factors that prevent the optically reliable reading of information. Something I have not met in foreign sources about such know-how. Here, it seems to me, not everything is thought out, or again an attempt to push through what is in the industry where money can be washed.
    God forbid the automatic loader will confuse a blank shot with a military one, for example, or will not be able to make decisions at all because of the inability to count.
    For the idea to work, you need to implement it on other principles - contrast-color marking, magnetic (anti-magnetic) tags, chips, but you never know what else can be offered. In general, without rejecting the very idea of ​​accounting, minus the principle in war.
  14. Dmitry Potapov
    Dmitry Potapov 8 June 2016 07: 34
    +1
    For the United States, you need to come up with a special barcode and apply it to everything even the MSL-60 sapper shovel.
  15. afrikanez
    afrikanez 8 June 2016 08: 33
    +1
    Well, we have no problems with recycling. lol How many ammunition depots were blown up? But in fact, the idea is very good and correct, according to a simplified scheme and it will be easier to work good
  16. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 8 June 2016 09: 27
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    If I understand correctly, then the question is electronic codes, only applies to storage and shipping in part.
    According to Kozlov, this will allow to establish a system of automatic centralized control of the storage and consumption of ammunition.

    The issue of use is not directly on military equipment, this is a promising desire.
    Using barcode will appear the ability of certain military equipment to recognize certain types of ammunition.

    For accounting for the release, storage and delivery of parts, it is probably convenient. In all other positions, today is pampering.
    After the battle, the tank commander will not provide reports on electronic media about the consumption of shells, with a description of the conditions and reasons for making decisions and an indication of the time of the shot.
    Unless, of course, the consumption of shells is not included in the accounting statements (expendables).
  17. Zomanus
    Zomanus 8 June 2016 10: 09
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    Good stuff. Even if only for complex pieces,
    like missiles and guided missiles.
    And you can apply in such a way that it will not be erased.
  18. iouris
    iouris 8 June 2016 10: 18
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    We must go further and apply barcodes to everything and organize the production of scanners, databases and computer equipment. By the way, these are "high technologies".
  19. AKsvlad047
    AKsvlad047 8 June 2016 11: 29
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    This idea is crazy, ammunition, as in America will be shipped to the wrong place and the wrong way! We have a reliable old system with tenfold more names than it will be after 7 years of reform and let it not work. Discipline in the army needs order and everything will be fine
  20. Resistance
    Resistance 8 June 2016 12: 23
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    Quote: iConst
    It's time to CHIP shells


    In order to "chmp", you need to have chips. In the context of import substitution. Understand the topic, who can make them with us, what quality, what quantity is needed. And do not forget the topic: the work of an RFID tag applied to metal: o)
  21. Leeder
    Leeder 8 June 2016 14: 05
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    Quote: AlexDARK
    Yes, these are generally QR codes. They may contain any information, including links. The barcode is in the past.

    Bullshit, barcode technology is much simpler and cheaper. Equipment for working with conventional barcodes is 15-20% cheaper. The volume of the QR code is redundant for most storage and processing operations. Modern warehouses and production somewhere around 85-90% use barcodes.