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Shock wave of terrorism

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The tragic events in the city of Aktobe, without any doubt, shook the whole of Kazakhstan. And it's not just that the country has already begun to gradually forget about the equally tragic incidents of 2011-2012 in the same Aktobe, Taraz and Almaty. Still, the bad is quickly forgotten, and the state has learned from those events. It rather tightly controlled supporters of radical movements, many of whom left Kazakhstan..


It seemed that the situation was under control, and against the background of large-scale terrorist attacks in France, Belgium, Pakistan and other countries, Central Asia as a whole and Kazakhstan in particular looked like a kind of island of calm. But the last outing of the radicals in Aktobe 5 June showed that today no one can be insured against it.

Unlike in previous cases, the blow in Aktobe turned out to be extremely large-scale. A large group of people participated in the raid.

video from one of the surveillance cameras showed ten to fifteen people armed with hunting rifles


At the same time, they tried to capture the military unit of the National Guard and gain access to arms. Last time, the radicals did not make such attempts. Their actions were directed against the authorities. In particular, in Taraz, the gunman shot the policemen until he was killed. In the Aktobe region, the object of attack was also the police. At the same time, militants killed tourists in the Almaty region, who witnessed their sojourn in the highlands near Almaty.

Shock wave of terrorism

This time many people participated in the attack, and according to official information, they could theoretically capture a military unit if it were not for the actions of the duty officer and the guard. Hence so many dead and injured among the military. They fulfilled their duty.

But the main question is what the militants counted on. Most likely, their goal was to cause a shock to the state and society. If they succeeded in strengthening themselves in a military unit with seized weapons, then they would be knocked out for a long time.

Actually,

this action in Aktobe partly resembles an attack on military units and police stations in Russia in the city of Nazran in 2004


Then the militants of local Ingush and Chechen descent, disguised as police officers, stopped the cars in the city and shot the representatives of law enforcement bodies. They clearly did not expect to seize the city, they wanted to demoralize the security services as state representatives. Subsequently, it was said that this action was a response to pressure from the special services on representatives of the non-traditional for the North Caucasus Wahhabi (Salafi) trend in Islam. However, this also explains the many attacks of militants in Dagestan.

Lessons from the Chechen wars

Here we must bear in mind that since the 1990s in the Russian North Caucasus, there has been a sharp conflict between local Sufi religious authorities and supporters of Wahhabism (Salafism). In fact, this is a real war. For example, one of the reasons why the mufti of Chechnya, Akhmat Kadyrov, and prominent field commanders, the Yamadaev brothers, went over to the Russian side in the second Chechen war, was due to the fact that the Chechen leadership of that time supported the Wahhabis more. It is believed that Vice-President Yandarbiyev and famous field commander Basaev adhered to this position. While Kadyrov was the leader of the Sufi tariqat, Qadiriya, influential in the Caucasus. In the Sufi tradition, such leaders are called a feast or a murshed (teacher). Murid is, respectively, a student.

In Dagestan, a split between the Sufis and the Wahhabis took place in many localities. After the invasion of Basayev’s militants from Chechnya and the end of the second Chechen war, the Dagestan Wahhabis were defeated. The local Islamic community has since been dominated by Sufis. Wahhabis wage war against them from the underground. For example, in 2012, a suicide bomber Alla Saprykina (Aminat Kurbanova) from Wahhabi converts to Islam blew herself up at a reception at Said Chirkei, one of the most influential religious authorities of Dagestan. He was the feast of the Nakshbandiya tariqah, which is very influential in the North Caucasus, Central Asia and Afghanistan.

Although, of course, it all depends on the situation. And Sufis are radical and sometimes lead holy wars. We can recall Imam Shamil, who, with his murids, waged a holy war against the expansion of the Russian Empire. The Afghan Taliban also had close ties with the Sufis.

In even more ancient storiesFor example, in North Africa, the Almohad and Almoravid movements, which relied on Sufi traditions and organizational structures called Zawiya, left a rather gloomy memory of themselves in terms of religious extremism.

Who are Wahhabis?

It is worth emphasizing the ideological differences between Sufis and Salafis (Wahhabis). Sufis rely, on the one hand, on the mystical component in religious practices. They advocate the possibility of an independent approach to the knowledge of faith. The Sufi must go this way along with the teacher (the Murshed). Hence the Sufi practices - loud and quiet zikr. A typical example of loud zikr is collective dances in a circle among the mountaineers of the North Caucasus. On the other hand, Sufis have an organizational structure based on the loyalty of the student (murid) to the teacher (murshed).

In addition, Sufi practices were very flexible with respect to local traditions, which they encountered in the process of spreading Islam to new lands. They often adapted them to Islamic dogma. This is characteristic of the cult of saints (in Kazakh aulie). Due to the fact that Sufis respected their murshes and feasts, as well as in connection with mystical practices, it was quite logical for them that, after death, people can be part of the tradition. Hence, mausoleums like Khoja Ahmed Yassawi, who was the feast of the tariqah of Yassawiya and many other mazars of the saints, widespread in Kazakhstan, the North Caucasus, Afghanistan and even Pakistan.

Salafis believe that Sufi practices are heresy. First, the worship of the graves of saints (aulie) from their point of view is the sin of polytheism (in Arabic shirk). Islam is strictly monotheistic religion. Secondly, from the point of view of the Salafists (from the Arab Salafia - ancestors, predecessors), all that has been introduced into Islam over the centuries of its spread throughout the world is the so-called forbidden innovation (in Arabic bidat). Accordingly, all the traditions that go beyond the Koran and the Sunna are not recognized as Wahhabis corresponding to the so-called "pure Islam".

Islam in Kazakhstan annoys Wahhabis

Salafi practices are becoming more widespread in the Islamic world. This is facilitated, on the one hand, by the fact that

Wahhabism is the ideology of the richest and most active countries in the Arab world - Saudi Arabia and Qatar


On the other hand, these ideas feed on the dissatisfaction of the “Muslim street” in different countries with a variety of circumstances, including the influence and domination of the West. In addition, the “Muslim street”, especially in the cities, is seriously dissatisfied with its own political elites. From this arose the idea expressed by the famous theologian Qutb that the modern Muslim states are in a state of jahiliyah (in Arabic ignorance). In such a state were the Arabs before the advent of Islam.

If the state does not meet the requirements of supporters of "pure Islam", then it must be changed


The paradox is that the first supporters of a return to "pure Islam" opposed the domination of conservative Muslim clerics (ulama), who from their point of view interfered with progress. They called for a return to the original values ​​in order to overcome the backlog from the West.

the call for "pure Islam" is more perceived as a return to medieval practices
Although for many, especially neophytes, it is more important that this is a more strict adherence to the Islamic tradition, more substantiated and appropriately correct than the popular Islam to which everyone is accustomed. Salafis usually call it archaic and see their mission in getting Muslims back on the right path.


Enemies of the state

But especially actively increasing the influence of Salafism occurs where there are no stable traditional religious institutions and, accordingly, traditions.

Kazakhstan, like many other states with a Muslim population, was in a difficult situation after the collapse of the USSR


For more than 70 years they have been cut off from the processes in the Islamic world. Accordingly, it is almost a “clean board” on which you can create a new version. This is much easier to do than where there is a strong influence of traditional institutions.

For example, in Pakistan and India there is a very radical Deoband movement, named after an Islamic university. To him belonged the Afghan Taliban. After the start of Islamabad’s confrontation with its own Islamists, Deoband split into two parts. Some supported the struggle against the state, others came out strongly against it. There have been cases when the radicals from Deoband blew up their more moderate comrades.

The last attack in Aktobe shows that radical Salafis, if they were, of course, can go to extreme measures for the sake of their idea.


And they see the state as their main opponent. In this regard, the question arises what to do to the state in this difficult situation.



What to do now in Kazakhstan with the threat of terrorism?

It is clear that there are examples of Chechnya, where for a long time there have been no large-scale actions at all, only isolated speeches. There are still examples of Uzbekistan and Turkmenistan, where today it is unlikely in the situation of tight police control over society. But all these are extreme measures that may have adverse consequences for the development of the country.

It is more logical to follow the experience of Europe, which is faced with very tough terrorist attacks.


In response, it increases the level of effectiveness of its intelligence services, but without changing the usual way of life. This is a very pragmatic point of view. Terrorist attacks cannot be completely avoided. Accordingly, it is necessary to do so in order to maximally prevent their manifestations using the methods of special services, minimize damage, increasing the level of readiness of the military and police to respond to the acute situation that has arisen. And it is worthwhile to work out the algorithm of informational notification of the population.

After the terrorist attack in Aktobe, many opinions and opinions were expressed. The Internet today provides great opportunities for this. Some said that the main reason was unemployment and poverty in Aktobe. Others say that there is no legal opposition in the country, so there is no one to stop the protests.

Poverty is, of course, a big problem, as is social inequality. But

in this case, it looks more dangerous that we are dealing with ideological people. Their motivation is clearly ideological.


Therefore, the judgment that having an active political opposition would allow introducing protest into a civilized framework is clearly erroneous. In Kazakhstan, the entire political opposition is secular and for the most part liberal. She has no chance to express the interests of religious-radical groups. To let or not to let religious radicals into politics is a very dangerous and complicated problem. Many Muslim countries are trying to solve this difficult question with different results.

How do we act in Kazakhstan, where there are already quite a lot of people who are simply religious, much more than they used to be, but most of them are still mostly non-religious?

What to do with the so-called "popular Islam"? He adheres to most of the Kazakhs,


despite the fact that many who received education in the arab world consider it archaic. Should the state now see the enemy in all Salafis or should it seek agreement with their moderate part? And is there any moderate Salafism?

The events in Aktobe gave an extra reason to think over the whole situation, try to understand its internal logic and try to see the perspective. In any case, who is forewarned is forearmed.

For many years we thought that all bad things would pass us by.


But, alas, we are also part of the overall processes in the world and this must be treated accordingly. No need to panic, it is necessary to learn the lessons and first of all the state.
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  1. CORNET
    CORNET 8 June 2016 12: 05
    -12%
    Well, Kazakhs and you waited ....
    Something you "prochukhali" obviously .. And what do we do on the border with you?
    1. oldseaman1957
      oldseaman1957 8 June 2016 12: 11
      +1
      Quote: CORNET
      Well, Kazakhs and you waited ....

      - Well, I don’t want someone to live in peace! Or for ideological reasons, or at the fifth point itching. Only based on the examples of Iraq and Libya, this will not end well. Therefore, any such "dissent" should be crushed in the bud.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 8 June 2016 12: 37
        +6
        The bad news is that the security forces were not ready for such a sortie. But not so long ago, the entire Ministry of Internal Affairs was on "enhanced operation". Before and after these unsanctioned rallies on May 21st. But their biggest boss warned that "antics" could happen. And they missed everything. Now let them wait for 01 in Aktyubinsk, as they will catch everyone. Okay, they missed them - there was no efficiency, they did not have time to localize them in one place and were allowed to hide. Here the Minister of the Interior and the chairman of the KNB can be removed. You can't envy the commander of the National Guard either - it's good at least they didn't get to the weapon. hi
        The authorities have already begun talking about closing down arms stores. From extreme to extreme fool . I foresaw some kind of tightening, but not to the same.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 8 June 2016 12: 45
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          Quote: Kasym
          loho that the security forces were not ready for such a sortie. But not so long ago, the entire Ministry of Internal Affairs was on "enhanced operation". Before and after these unsanctioned rallies on May 21st. But their biggest boss warned that "antics" could happen. And they missed everything. Now let them wait for 01 in Aktyubinsk, as they will catch everyone. Okay, they missed them - there was no efficiency, they did not have time to localize them in one place and were allowed to hide. Here the Minister of the Interior and the chairman of the KNB can be removed. You can't envy the commander of the National Guard either - it's good at least they didn't get to the weapon. hi
          The authorities have already begun talking about closing down arms stores. From one extreme to another they throw a fool. I foresaw some kind of tightening, but not to the same.



          Moreover, all the speeches of the Wahs are a direct response to their pressing by the cops.

          Note that there are civilian casualties, but these are either those who happened to be at the crime scene or those who resisted extremists. There was no targeted killing of civilians.


          In general, all the activity of the Vakhs since the 2011 of the year has been directed almost exclusively against government representatives.
        2. Des10
          Des10 8 June 2016 12: 57
          0
          Quote: Kasym
          The bad news is that the security forces were not ready for such a sortie.

          yes, but - it’s always impossible to be on the alert for ordinary security forces (they’ll get tired), there’s more than a miscalculation of the special services.
          Even more surprising is the behavior of "terrorists" - whether they are stoned, naive ... stupid people.
          (here we changed de.bil.y to "not smart people")
          1. Kasym
            Kasym 8 June 2016 14: 30
            +3
            Des10. I had to explain that the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the KNB from 11g. are working on religious extremists. And sleeping two dozen people ready for such a forceful action speaks of bad work. After all, they probably got together somewhere, discussed and prepared. Surely some of them were working off, especially when there was "mobolization" on May 21. And the author is right about our opposition - it will not go to a military action, because mostly "manual".
            I hoped that the authorities should have an understanding that with the formation of the CU and the EAEU, the people should be given more "carrots" in order to tighten the social sphere to growth. standards. Otherwise, the people will simply start moving to the Russian Federation and consider integration a mistake. After all, these two dozen extremists were probably worked on by "curators" on the topic that the National Academy of Sciences is selling Kazakhstan to the Russians because of the EAEU and to the Chinese because of Silk. Paths. And it is unlikely that the curators would find associates if the authorities worked as intended - raising the welfare of people. But the trouble is that these very officials are the richest people in the country, who are closer to their interests, and not people. This is what NAS is faced with at every step. It is time for him to change his "old guard", which cannot work any other way. And that example with mastering in 5 months. only 8% of all allocated funds for this year says that business officials are their own businessmen. structures did not have time to reconfigure to "master" the state. funds; and as always, the development will take place in the second half of the year - they do not understand what people should do in the first half of the year (this is just infuriating).
            The author asks himself the question: "What should the authorities do?" "Gingerbread", not in words, but in deeds, must be shown to the people. Work to create a slave. places; and not on your pocket. And there are not so many people in the Republic of Kazakhstan who are capable of such unprecedented tricks - the authorities and the security forces have to work - all the power is there, the neighbors have experience behind the eyes - no one bothers to go and learn from the experience in Chechnya or that Uzbekistan. hi
            I am glad that it’s so easy to get trunks in the Republic of Kazakhstan - the second of four cases began with weapons. magician ..
        3. marshes
          marshes 8 June 2016 13: 08
          +1
          Quote: Kasym
          The bad news is that the security forces were not ready for such a sortie.

          In general, all the activity of the Vakhs since the 2011 of the year has been directed almost exclusively against government representatives.

          So the biography of one caught my eye, so he was tried back in 2011 and the most humane court gave a short time.
          Judged for terrorism

          One of the alleged participants in the attacks - Alibek Berdibaev - has a much more radical biography. He had previously been sentenced to three years in a terrorist article. In 2011, he was accused of involvement in self-explosion of a suicide bomber Rakhimzhan Makhatov near the building of the Aktobe regional department of the National Security Committee. That terrorist act was the first in the history of modern Kazakhstan. In total, 12 people were involved in that case.

          On the website of the Kazakhstan International Bureau for Human Rights, you can find a letter from Alibek's mother dated March 2012. In it, a woman claims that the son was mistakenly recorded in terrorists, but the testimonies were knocked out under torture.

          Also, from the mother’s appeal, one can understand that Alibek comes from a fairly prosperous and respected family. Moreover, his relatives, and the man himself, were somehow connected with the law enforcement agencies of Kazakhstan. For example, Alibek’s grandfather worked at the Ministry of Internal Affairs for 25 years. Father and mother are doctors with 25 years of experience. The man himself is a lawyer by training, for five years before the arrest of 2011, he worked in the courts of the Aktobe region. “He has letters of commendation, cash incentives from the management, participated in all social events. He has been involved in sports since childhood. Since 2007 he has been reading namaz. Married, has two young children. The wife is also a lawyer by training, a former employee of the General Prosecutor’s Office and the prosecutor’s office of the Aktobe region, - says Berdibaev’s mother.

          In her appeal to human rights defenders, the woman is trying in every possible way to justify her son. “Alibek both during the preliminary and during the judicial investigation gave stable testimonies that he was not a member of any terrorist organization, talked with the defendants and witnesses as brothers in faith and business (the family opened a Thai massage salon in Aktobe in 2009 - "MK"). None of the interrogated witnesses of any evidence that even testified that Alibek had ever talked with anyone at all on the topic of jihad, or listened to any lectures of an extremist direction, or illegally acquired, transferred, sold, stored weapons not mined. "

          http://www.mk.ru/incident/2016/06/07/portrety-terroristov-iz-aktobe-kazakhstan-a
          takovali-torgovcy-starymi-telefonami.html? utm_source = rnews
      2. Baloo
        Baloo 8 June 2016 22: 22
        0
        The script most reminds Libya. That leader of the Libyan e ... bandyuk three months before the events freed from Guantanomo, where he spent several years. When Gaddafi was killed, loudly through the media announced the resignation of the powers of the leader. And no one else reported anything about him in the internet and the media.
        Probably resting in the Bahamas with a new passport and face, or rolled up in concrete?
    2. andas
      andas 8 June 2016 12: 30
      0
      hi Is it sympathy or gloating?
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 8 June 2016 12: 43
        -1
        Quote: andas
        hi Is it sympathy or gloating?

        This is in Russian ... Yes, when you are there ..... pi, pi, pi. Ekary Babai will understand. That you are being shaken and seriously already! You don’t have all the time already, thought to sit out under Russia ..? ... Do we need to dig trenches already? The buys got there ... Shooting and attempts to capture the military units began! To shoot half of the special services and cops there ... Are you even fucked up there? am It's on our borders ... your trough ... Sorry! hi
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 8 June 2016 12: 53
          +1
          Oh Meehan. Do you even know how the Wahhabi ideology spreads to Western Kazakhstan?
  2. Grandson of Veteran
    Grandson of Veteran 8 June 2016 12: 08
    +2
    "We thought for many years that all bad things would pass us by."

    No wonder the ancients said-Do you want peace-prepare for war ...
  3. Dam
    Dam 8 June 2016 12: 09
    0
    Of course, work to combat Wahhabis should go in several directions. On the one hand, the promotion and implementation of traditional Islam, on the other hand, a fierce struggle both with the militants and with the carriers of the idea and, most importantly, the financiers of these ideas.
  4. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 8 June 2016 12: 11
    0
    For many years we thought that all bad things would pass us by.

    I hope that what has been said will not be just words. And the conclusions will be made right.
  5. svu93
    svu93 8 June 2016 12: 13
    +1
    Yes, no one doubted that it would burn! The only question is time, place and size! Belarus smolders, Moldova, Transcaucasia! About Central Asia in general I am silent, a barrel of gunpowder, just bring a little light !!!
    Py.Sy .: about Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltic states do not say too much .....
    1. razmik72
      razmik72 8 June 2016 12: 35
      -2
      Quote: svu93
      Yes, no one doubted that it would burn! The only question is time, place and size! Belarus smolders, Moldova, Transcaucasia! About Central Asia in general I am silent, a barrel of gunpowder, just bring a little light !!!
      Py.Sy .: about Ukraine, Georgia and the Baltic states do not say too much .....

      Interestingly, in Belarus what smolders, but about the Baltic states, what is unnecessary to say?
      1. avt
        avt 8 June 2016 12: 55
        +2
        Quote: razmik72
        Interestingly, in Belarus what smolders,

        Yes, it smolders normally. Young people are slowly teaching Lithuanianism in Poland on the same courses as our Russian understands, Yabloko. People work and quite successfully, especially since it is so attractive from “Belarusian is a Russian with a quality mark” to jump into the great litvin, oppressed by the Muscovites horde. Now their some kind of weighty power engineer, like in the rank of deputy minister, started talking about a "fair gas price" of $ 73 per cubic meter. Nothing comes to mind? There are no analogies of claims for gas from other fraternal people? But father, after the summit in Astana, became sad, but on another branch of his maxims, the next ones were printed, so I listened to the speech - some kind of dull yon, there was no fire in it - the tribune was blown.
      2. svu93
        svu93 8 June 2016 15: 00
        -1
        And you are not too lazy, look for radical Belarusian organizations, and you will understand! About marches, Maidan (both in Kiev and Minsk), about their participation in the Donbass (guess which side ??) About youth type camps .....
        About the Baltic states also explain?
      3. svu93
        svu93 8 June 2016 15: 00
        0
        And you are not too lazy, look for radical Belarusian organizations, and you will understand! About marches, Maidan (both in Kiev and Minsk), about their participation in the Donbass (guess which side ??) About youth type camps .....
        About the Baltic states also explain?
  6. Oleg RK
    Oleg RK 8 June 2016 12: 28
    +1
    Cornet, buddy, live as usual. It’s calm on the border. Fools everywhere everywhere ... Look at your hand, five fingers and those different.
  7. marshes
    marshes 8 June 2016 12: 35
    +1
    What comments do not go through with the site
    1. avt
      avt 8 June 2016 12: 47
      +1
      Quote: marshes
      What comments do not go through with the site

      Not only that, in my article about Butska, one first one was opened at all and there simply aren’t others and I don’t see mine either. Asked the administrator - while silence.
  8. erased
    erased 8 June 2016 12: 36
    +1
    What is the opposition? What are informal religions? And so it is clear that all these acts are episodes of one big plan, which has been implemented since the 40s of the last century of the second millennium.
    Dismantling the Russian state, including by creating a belt of instability around it. That is, in those countries that can still be ranked among the "Russian world". Ukraine and Georgia have already been converted. Next in line are Belarus, Kazakhstan, Central Asian monarchies (republics). The Baltics are already in NATO, that is, the owners' attachment. Russia is surrounded, which implies the intensification of its dismantling.
    And the case in Aktyubinsk (the new name of the city is the dismantling stage) is just one of many that will follow on an increasing basis.
    How ready is Russia to defend its interests in neighboring countries? Crimea was returned, but Novorossia and Ukraine as a whole were fond of. That is, instead of a quick interception, they got involved in a costly and bloody game with a sauce in the form of sanctions.
    Waiting for easing pressure is stupid. And getting in the way fully interferes ... yes, yes, our beloved fifth column. Which taxis practically in the country. Fortunately, not all. But in key areas - education, healthcare, politics, finance.
    Having fun further, what else remains ...
  9. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 8 June 2016 12: 37
    +1
    Do not underestimate the Kazakh leadership and its special services. Languages ​​taken, work. They will sort it out, tighten the nuts where necessary, to whom it is necessary, the bolts will be screwed.
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 8 June 2016 12: 47
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      Do not underestimate the Kazakh leadership and its special services. Languages ​​taken, work. They will sort it out, tighten the nuts where necessary, to whom it is necessary, the bolts will be screwed.

      It's too late....! You’ll have to shoot!
      1. Chisayna
        Chisayna 9 June 2016 00: 20
        0
        Horse, saber and forward Cornet.
  10. Million
    Million 8 June 2016 12: 55
    0
    Lessons from the Chechen wars

    What are you saying? There were no Chechen wars, there were only counter-terrorist operations!
  11. NordUral
    NordUral 8 June 2016 12: 59
    0
    Religious movements are mainly used by heating and fanning minor differences and turning believers into irreconcilable enemies.
    It is necessary to prepare for a war with us precisely in this regard. And the military and other power units should always be on the alert, without gouging.
  12. marshes
    marshes 8 June 2016 13: 15
    0
    One conclusion is obtained as Zymran says. Yozhikov in the leadership of Western Kazakhstan, all the same they are "vatans". smile no matter how strange the press of the Russian Federation prays, and the users about the most terrible South of Kazakhstan, Texas, or whatever "South Central" is.
    Mikhan or whatever the Cornet is, scary not in the south but next to you, maybe they live in the Russian Federation next door.
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 8 June 2016 13: 28
      -2
      Quote: marshes
      One conclusion is obtained as Zymran says. Yozhikov in the leadership of Western Kazakhstan, all the same they are "vatans". smile no matter how strange the press of the Russian Federation prays, and the users about the most terrible South of Kazakhstan, Texas, or whatever "South Central" is.
      Mikhan or whatever the Cornet is, scary not in the south but next to you, maybe they live in the Russian Federation next door.

      We will deal with everyone ... It's just a pity! hi
      1. marshes
        marshes 8 June 2016 13: 48
        0
        Quote: CORNET
        We will deal with everyone ... It's just a pity!

        Who? Or do you justify terrorism?
    2. avt
      avt 8 June 2016 13: 33
      0
      Quote: marshes
      Strange as it may seem, the press of the Russian Federation is praying, and users are talking about the most terrible South of Kazakhstan,

      Nothing strange . First, there is really little sane information about the internal balance of power in the new elite of Kazakhstan; Secondly - a FULL understanding of the fundamentals of radical Islamization, well, since you don't want to bother too much about details, and let's just say, natural "hotbeds of conflict have long been voiced somewhere out there .... in the South, and even since Soviet times. I remember the Fergana Valley, with such a broad brushstroke everything is thoughtfully painted in the picture
      Quote: marshes
      and next to you, maybe they live in the Russian Federation next door.

      I can direct a tour of Moscow, not show all the places, but the key ones are easy, although the same hotel "Sevostopol" was cleaned up.
      1. marshes
        marshes 8 June 2016 13: 52
        0
        Quote: avt
        Firstly, there is really little sane information on the internal alignment of forces in the new elite of Kazakhstan;

        What new, it has been like this since the Soviet times. Note voluntarily entered the west and north and conquered the south, so the south supported Soviet power. laughing
        Quote: avt
        Secondly - a FULL understanding of the fundamentals of radical Islamization, well, as long as you don't want to bother with details, and let's just say, natural "hotbeds of conflict have long been voiced somewhere out there .... in the South.

        Well, it’s clear from the neighbors.
        Quote: avt
        I can direct a tour of Moscow, not show all the places, but the key ones are easy, although the same hotel "Sevostopol" was cleaned up.

        Can we switch to the visa regime?
        1. avt
          avt 8 June 2016 14: 56
          +1
          Quote: marshes
          Can we switch to the visa regime?

          With countries that are not members of the EAEU - YES, and it was necessary yesterday. Again, within the framework of the EAEU, it is necessary by law to introduce completely punitive measures on those who have left, "to commit jihad", the very mild one - from the ban on returning and the special services should strictly monitor ALL, indiscriminately by national passports. And with regards to Moscow, there are more than half with Russian passports and quite themselves process migrants.
          1. marshes
            marshes 8 June 2016 15: 21
            +1
            Quote: avt
            Again, within the framework of the EAEU, it is necessary by law to introduce completely punitive measures on those who have left, “to commit jihad,” the very mild one - from the ban on returning and the special services must strictly monitor EVERYONE, indiscriminately by national passports. passports and are quite handled by migrants

            You just need to accept the "PATRIOTIC ACT" in the USA, not much familiarized. In the O8 in the USA, I learned to take home a pocket knife in my luggage. smile
            1. avt
              avt 8 June 2016 15: 34
              +1
              Quote: marshes
              You just need to take the "PATRIOTIC ACT" in the USA

              I will not say for Kazakhstan - maybe the common people will let them pass by, but if this, or something like that is done in Russia - such a howl with a stench will rise about the "KGB tyrant" and the "revival of the Gulag" wassat So the darlings are still somehow quiet ... well, and especially violent in the Caucasus by storm. But this is a real problem! Every time I still remember those Soviet priests who grabbed their heads and shouted in the 90s, until the loudest were stupidly shot - "What are you doing!" When they began to send a crowd of young people to study in the Muslim Brothers sect in Egypt in particular, they opened the way for the grandmothers in the mosque of Russia for the saudites. Do-o-o-olgo for us all this will haunt!
              1. marshes
                marshes 8 June 2016 15: 53
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                Quote: avt
                ! Every time I still remember those Soviet priests who grabbed their heads and shouted in the 90s, until the loudest were stupidly shot - "What are you doing!" When they began to send a crowd of young people to study in the Muslim Brotherhood sect in Egypt in particular, they opened the way for the grandmothers in the mosque of Russia for the saudites. Do-o-o-olgo for us all this will haunt!


                The study was good in UFE, few people went there to study. It was not theological seminaries, but there were many of them.
                There in Ufa they prepared the mullah of the Hanafi madhhab, and this is the majority in the USSR.
                Now in Kazakhstan, where the neophytes are the west and north of the KZ, why there were no mosques under the Soviet regime, and if there were separate Tatar or Bashkir mosques, there was no central mosque in Almaty, so what to talk about. After the 90s, people reached for Spirituality, looking at what was happening and it was horrible, so we went over the hill. So I want to say, we are raking what remains of the USSR.
                1. avt
                  avt 8 June 2016 16: 45
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                  Quote: marshes
                  The study was good in UFE, few people went there to study.

                  Tajuddin generally uncle good cool, sloppy, a word does not go into his pocket and quite competent, now of course years take their toll, and so he was quick to rise. To me, he is a mountain-azdo prettier than the imam-all that is so smooth - oily, unlike Talishat Talgat Tajuddin, that was smacked from Olympic Avenue.
    3. Zymran
      Zymran 8 June 2016 13: 41
      +1
      One conclusion is obtained, as Zymran says. Yozhikov is in the leadership of Western Kazakhstan, all the same they are "vatans". smile no matter how strange the press of the Russian Federation prays, and users about the most terrible South of Kazakhstan, Texas or whatever "South Central



      No, the people there are wild and hedgehogs from the side will not accept. Moreover, akim of the region has recently been a hedgehog. But in general, yes, I already wrote that the terrible southerners Russophobic nationalists are the fruit of the erotic fantasies of the Vatans who play on 01 (despite the fact that 01 itself is a southerner and almost the entire government consists of southerners).


      Quote: marshes
      Mikhan or whatever the Cornet is, scary not in the south but next to you, maybe they live in the Russian Federation next door.


      Exactly. Mikhan did not want to answer my question about where the Wahhabist ideology spreads in the WKO and where did the extremists' jamaats come from. And they are descended from the Wahhabi Jamaats of the North Caucasus.
      1. marshes
        marshes 8 June 2016 13: 56
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        Quote: Zymran
        No, the people there are wild and hedgehogs from the side will not accept.

        Clearly, the majority in the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of Defense in that region are southerners.
        Quote: Zymran
        But in general, yes, I already wrote that the terrible southerners, Russophobic nationalists, are the fruit of the erotic fantasies of the Vatans who play on 01 (despite the fact that 01 and the southerner himself and almost the entire government are southerners).

        Yes, I read about it, but not everyone still knows and scares Southerners with nationalists. laughing
        Quote: Zymran
        Exactly. Mikhan did not want to answer my question about where the Wahhabist ideology spreads in the WKO and where did the extremists' jamaats come from. And they are descended from the Wahhabi Jamaats of the North Caucasus.

        Yesterday I read the comments of the frontier guards; smile
      2. CORNET
        CORNET 8 June 2016 14: 26
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        Quote: Zymran
        One conclusion is obtained, as Zymran says. Yozhikov is in the leadership of Western Kazakhstan, all the same they are "vatans". smile no matter how strange the press of the Russian Federation prays, and users about the most terrible South of Kazakhstan, Texas or whatever "South Central



        No, the people there are wild and hedgehogs from the side will not accept. Moreover, akim of the region has recently been a hedgehog. But in general, yes, I already wrote that the terrible southerners Russophobic nationalists are the fruit of the erotic fantasies of the Vatans who play on 01 (despite the fact that 01 itself is a southerner and almost the entire government consists of southerners).


        Quote: marshes
        Mikhan or whatever the Cornet is, scary not in the south but next to you, maybe they live in the Russian Federation next door.


        Exactly. Mikhan did not want to answer my question about where the Wahhabist ideology spreads in the WKO and where did the extremists' jamaats come from. And they are descended from the Wahhabi Jamaats of the North Caucasus.

        Well, tell me, where are your "jaamats, etc." Locality, city specifically ...? We will arrange a Wahhabi holiday for you there .... Dust (bloody) torment yourself to swallow devils!
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 8 June 2016 14: 29
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          Quote: CORNET
          Well, tell me, where are your "jaamats, etc." Locality, city specifically ...? We will arrange a Wahhabi holiday for you there .... Dust (bloody) torment yourself to swallow devils!


          You will deal with your radicals in the North Caucasus. And this is ... You last time wanted to beat the American veterans face to beat, now you threaten the Wahhabis. laughing
  13. marshes
    marshes 8 June 2016 13: 41
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    I’ll add about religion, last year at the wake, the mullah was delayed for a couple of hours. Then he came to apologize. Then -AHay, how? Yes, they called for a meeting in the DUM of the Republic of Kazakhstan, they say who will go west or north to work ....- well and what are you - where do I have four children and a house and then what ...
    But it was in the Almaty region ...
    So in the south, east of the KZ Islam of the Sunni sense, the Hanafi madhhab, you can familiarize yourself on the wiki. Also, the spirits of rivers and mountains, and so on. "sacrifices are brought" and commemorated as well as the cult of ancestors.
    At the expense of oralmans, migrants, living outside the homeland of their ancestors, they were able to preserve the culture, language, customs and that "normal Islam" that their ancestors preached.
  14. Alexander S.
    Alexander S. 8 June 2016 13: 42
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    In my opinion .. the most effective method against all these savages ... is extermination. Full ... regardless of gender ... age. For having entered into this swamp .. from there they no longer get out .. and the consciousness of such people is different from peaceful. An example of Chechnya and Dagestan ... now a bomb with a clockwork is being planted there ... and it will be with the current practice endlessly ... like a spiral. Well, in parallel to clean religious areas on the subject of extremism .. incitement to hatred of other religions, etc., etc. Do not control .. namely, clean. You can’t control a wild beast (even feed a wolf .. and the forest is its element). For as if someone didn’t like it ... but religion is an artificial formation ... created to control the crowd. So remove harmful ones .. and leave peaceful directions.
    1. marshes
      marshes 8 June 2016 13: 58
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      Quote: Alexander S.
      In my opinion .. the most effective method against all these savages ... is extermination. Full ... regardless of gender ... age

      An example in the North Caucasus, show who the ARMY AND Navy plus the Strategic Missile Forces will run into you,
  15. japs
    japs 8 June 2016 13: 56
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    Quote: erased
    our favorite fifth column. Which taxis practically in the country.


    We can talk a lot and for a long time about the narrowing of the "hot ring" around the Russian Federation. Everybody says, but nobody says the main thing. What are all these actions against the Russian Federation? The world's "master" - this is - is carrying out a plan written long ago. You will say that this is not new. And what and who is behind this plan. Zionism. He has already got his hands on almost the whole world. It remains only to get the hands of the Russian Federation. The fifth column is not only Novodvorskaya, curls and bulk. Pawns. The entire leadership of the country is who the fifth column is. Unfortunately, no one sees these Kabbalah worshipers point-blank. But in vain.
    Now Netanyahu also rode to the Guarantor. Pensions for God's chosen need to pay. And svom - to freeze and raise the retirement age. Oh, time to enter the fifth column ...
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 8 June 2016 14: 17
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      Quote: japs
      Now Netanyahu also rode to the Guarantor. Pensions for God's chosen need to pay. And svom - to freeze and raise the retirement age. Oh, time to enter the fifth column ..

      In time he jumped it .... How everyone calculated that! hi
  16. Semurg
    Semurg 8 June 2016 14: 36
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    In the morning, Kazaktar looked at fresh materials on the Internet. There Tuleshova specifically sewed the preparation of a coup d'etat under the leadership of the Moscow special services. how do you like this turn of the play? What are your opinions? They also write about some meeting of the akimat of Orenburg with an agenda on the nationalist persecution of Russians in Kazakhstan, etc., etc. Mikhan, you are a fan of hunting and fishing in Kazakhstan. Now look at distant lakes. You will not run into a traffic cop, but rather into a very specific Islamist who will not breed money, as if during the next trip
    lost his head for refusing to admit that Allah is great.
    1. marshes
      marshes 8 June 2016 14: 40
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      Quote: Semurg
      They also write about some meeting of the akimat of Orenburg with an agenda on the nationalist persecution of Russians in Kazakhstan, etc., etc.

      I heard about this, it was alleged that the site was hacked by the radicals of Ukraine.
  17. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 8 June 2016 17: 22
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    there was a union was a system. and now where is all this well, it’s not clear to me and that's it !!!
  18. Gavril
    Gavril 9 June 2016 10: 40
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    Poverty and ignorance gives rise to monsters ... What does it take to overcome this? To this end, the state can give its citizens universal education and universal equality - today equality means wealth, minimal but wealth.
    And where the state cannot provide this, all sorts of preachers appear, promising paradise for the physical support of their faith!