Irkutsk plant received a contract for the supply of the Defense Ministry aircraft Yak-152

The RF Ministry of Defense issued a contract to the Irkutsk Aviation Plant (a branch of Irkut Corporation) to supply 150 training aircraft Yak-152 for primary training of pilots, reports RIA News report of the director of the lean production of the enterprise Sergey Ymanov.

“Currently, the Irkutsk Aviation Plant is starting to fulfill the order of the Ministry of Defense, which has ordered 150 of such machines,” said Yamanov.

According to him, now "there are three Yak-152 airplanes in a different assembly plant."

Yamanov recalled that "the Yak-152 light training aircraft achieves speeds up to 350 kilometers per hour and has a catapult."

"Irkutsk aviation Plant (IAP) - a branch of Irkut Corporation PJSC is one of the most modern and dynamically developing engineering enterprises in Russia. For his historyconducted from 1932 of the year, the plant produced about 7000 aircraft of more than 20 types, which were supplied to 40 countries. The capabilities of the plant allow us to carry out a full cycle of work, including the design and technological preparation of the production of aircraft, the production of equipment, the production of test and serial aircraft, their ground and flight tests, after-sales service. ”, Says the site of the company.

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[Grandson of Veteran]

"...message lean manufacturing director enterprises of Sergey Yamanov .... "

Interesting job title


"... to fulfill the order of the Ministry of Defense, which ordered 150 of these machines ..."

I wonder what are the terms of the contract?

[Pavel1]

Yamanov recalled that “the light training aircraft Yak-152 has a speed of up to 350

Yak3 did more, almost 600

[donavi49]

What for? On the contrary, the emphasis is on saving the same, and this is the maximum resource of the engine.

This is a basic training aircraft + all sorts of DOSAAF and other air clubs, to replace the Yak-52.

There, by the way, the Austrian engine RED Aircraft A03 V12.

[Pavel1]

Well, our VK-105PF2 engine was on our plane
, which gave 1300hp and beat nemchuru in the tail and mane, and no Austrians were near.

[aviator65]

Quote: Paul1

Well, our VK-105PF2 engine was on our plane

Which one is on "your"?
This is not about the further development of World War II fighters, but about the replacement of the Yak-52 TCB, an initial training aircraft, partly sports. So, the M-14P, which has 300 hp, still stands on it. Where is he more? The same goes for speed.

[aktanir]

350 km ?????? I'm not confusing anything, is this a plane ???

[vladimirZ]

Misunderstanding something is happening in the order system of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
Why for MO, for the initial training of pilots, is an airplane of the past: a screw, piston aircraft with a speed of 300 km / h? What is it to replace the training aircraft of the era of jet aircraft L-39?
In the training of military pilots of jet aircraft, the transition from L-39 training rocket desks to piston, screw YAK-152, with speeds several times slower, is a step backwards !!!
What is nowhere to put money in Russia to produce a car of the past? There is no jet engine for a simple, easy, cheap single-engine training aircraft? So for the Yak-152 engine imported piston.
What is the logic I do not understand? Or in the Moscow Region, the ladies of the Serdyukov shoots continue to sit on the system of orders for military equipment. Then, even as they were promoting as a training aircraft for the initial training of the Yak-130, I was surprised at the unreasonableness of that decision to create a complex, expensive, two-engine aircraft, as a training one, to replace the L-39. It seems that there are not specialists in the Defense Ministry, but budget "sawers" who care little about the needs of the Army.

[Alex_59]

Quote: vladimirZ

Why for MO, for the initial training of pilots, is an airplane of the past: a screw, piston aircraft with a speed of 300 km / h? What is it to replace the training aircraft of the era of jet aircraft L-39?
In the training of military pilots of jet aircraft, the transition from L-39 training rocket desks to piston, screw YAK-152, with speeds several times slower, is a step backwards !!!

On the contrary, it is a step forward. Yak-152 complements Yak-130 or L-39. This type of aircraft is intended for initial training, i.e. mastering the basics of flight theory. Launch, taxiing, take-off, maintaining altitude, speed, decrease, landing, mileage. For all this, the capabilities of the L-39 and the Yak-130 are redundant. Why spend the flight resources of a more expensive jet on primitive elementary education? To illustrate this analogy - you do not sit down a child immediately for a sports adult bike for 40 thousand rubles? At first he tries on a three-wheeled vehicle, then on a teenager, and only then he can change to an adult. Duck here, the Yak-152 is a children's tricycle. And the Yak-130 is already an adult bike. On it, aerobatics is already being practiced and the basics of the use of weapons, and not the first attempts to stay in the air.

[ism_ek]

The catalog price of one Yak-130, which goes to replace the L-39, is $ 15 million. It is unprofitable to train a beginner on such an aircraft.
The Ministry of Defense paid 152 million rubles (approximately $ 300 million) for the development, manufacture of FOUR prototypes of the Yak-5, a simulator and all tests.

[maratkoRuEkb]

You do not panic comrade and think with your own mind. This is a plane for the very initial training of pilots. Takeoff landing, the basics so to speak. In operation, it will be several times cheaper than any jet.
And already when the pilot has basic skills he will be transferred to the Yak130. So everything is logical and correct.

[dima mzk]

What is the logic? I’ll tell you, remember, there was such a DOSAAF, or rather, air circles, and so for them there are people who are trained in private piloting. Yes, and the school come in handy. In your opinion, the cadet immediately jumps to a supersonic one?

[Pavel1]

Quote: aviator65

then which one on "your"

OUR is one that has everything ours and the engine and electronics and everything else, and if the super-super 80% is not ours, and even this yak52 with our engine, because they killed their own engine building, that's why it isn’t ours, okay?

[Ros 56]

Quote: donavi49

to replace the Yak-52.

What DOSAAF, what are you talking about, was at our airport that week, the competition was in a / model sport. I wanted to cry from the level, everyone killed almost to death. Of the 17 Yak-52 that were in the club, there is one orphan, and no more. There is no money, all through the stump of the deck, which 152nd, which horseradish to buy, and it costs how much, it’s scary to think.

[Evgeniy-111]

Therefore, it is not necessary to release and replace anything, but to continue to cry ...

[Koshak]

Quote: Ros 56

What DOSAAF, what are you talking about, was at our airport that week, the competition was in a / model sport. I wanted to cry from the level, everyone killed almost to death. Of the 17 Yak-52 that were in the club, there is one orphan, and no more. There is no money, all through the stump of the deck, which 152nd, which horseradish to buy, and it costs how much, it’s scary to think.

[cat 23]

That’s interesting, Mosfilm’s partner, who blocked the viewing of a video of a piece of a diamond hand, as he considers himself the copyright holder of Soviet films that were shot with common money ... is that ???

[Alex_59]

Quote: donavi49

There, by the way, the Austrian engine RED Aircraft A03 V12.

This is sad. It would be better if the M-14 continued to be released. And then spare parts are in short supply. On the Yakovlev website, by the way, the Yak-152 indicates that he is with M-14.

[s13b]

German engine. 12-cylinder diesel RED A03 V12 with a capacity of 500 hp. was experimentally installed in Germany on one of the Yak-52 aircraft, whose flight tests showed a qualitative improvement in all its characteristics. The same engine, apparently, will be used on the experimental Yak-152. One such motor has already been installed on board the first flight model Yak-152 (No. 0001), the second could be seen in the workshop of the Irkutsk aircraft plant next to the specimen for static tests (No. 0003). Modifications of the Yak-152 can be equipped with a less powerful six-cylinder diesel engine RED A05 with a capacity of 350 hp

[firefighter]

Yah?! Did "Maxim Gorky" take the sound?

[Lieutenant Izhe]

Yah?! Did "Maxim Gorky" take the sound?

took it!
like this - "Uuuuuuuuuu ..."

[svp67]

Quote: Paul1

Yak3 did more, almost 600

Not an option. On the Yak-3 youth was not put on the wing ...
It is necessary to compare with the U-2, and it has a speed of 150 km / h

With UT-2, at a speed of 205 km / h

And of course with the Yak-18, at a speed of 263 km / h

And the magnificent Yak-50 and 52 with a speed of just over 400 km / h

[iouris]

The speed of the MiG-25 is generally almost 3M. So what? But on the basis of this, you can create an aero club in Lugansk.

[firefighter]

I wonder what are the terms of the contract?
Announce your entire list ...

[In100gram]

Quote: Veteran's grandson

lean manufacturing directors

All this is the result of the introduction of Western standards for "quality management". In the Union, quality standards were abruptly at the enterprises of the military industry. Now we are introducing the finished USE and another Western hat. It's a shame when they destroy the best that was. I myself face this in the food industry. We have reached the level of complete disregard for food quality and the destruction of the food quality control system.

[masiya]

All this quality management is - shit ... Western partners forced it on us, our quality was cooler all our life ... - Quality Control Department, military acceptance, etc., etc. he himself dealt with this manager on the piece of iron - it was nonsense, zero statistics and fixing something, for what purpose ... collecting papers collecting them in large folders and more ... as well as certification of security jobs labor - from the same opera only another, more expensive performance ... in general, one thieves have flourished in all industries, and there is no end in sight ... !!!

[Kasym]

Such an aircraft can be made "commercial". It is not enough that fans and fans of aviation - that market of rich Buratin (in the US, this will go with a bang - there are fans of such a modern "retro" behind the eyes, especially serial with spare parts, etc.)? And as a vehicle (2 seats) it will fit for some, if you organize everything with your head. After all, such an aircraft will be "inexpensive" (the cost of an elite jeep must be assumed) - some can afford to take it with a pilot (or maybe learn it themselves). Moreover, most likely, he can safely sit on the primer. Mail and any "ambulance" can be delivered anywhere in the Russian Federation, and cheaply. Operation should be cheaper than Mi and moreover in the most "wild" conditions - what is not a commodity for Euro-lovers and Yankees to fly (left right in the clearing and went).
It's not enough for DOSAAF, but a desk is needed for the "youth". And as I understand it, this is the beginning of a long life of the aircraft (such thousands are needed and the price will become "scanty").

[cap]

Quote: Kasym

Mail and any "ambulance" can be delivered anywhere in the Russian Federation, and cheaply. Operation should be cheaper than Mi and moreover in the wildest conditions - what is not a commodity for Euro-lovers and Yankees to fly (left it right in the clearing and went).
It's not enough for DOSAAF, but a desk is needed for the "youth". And as I understand it, this is the beginning of a long life of the aircraft (such thousands are needed and the price will become "scanty").

Dreaming is certainly good. I will dream with you together.

[dauria]

- that market of rich buratin (in the US, this will go with a bang - there are fans of such a modern "retro" behind the eyes, especially serial with spare parts, etc.)?

Have you decided to compete with the garage assembly of "Tsesna"? Look at their prices, cry ... These bourgeois filled the whole market with "instant noodles", even ready-made, even in the form of sets. However, under the condition of the Iron Curtain it can go.

[Val roman]

But you still need to install your own engine!

[iouris]

Quote: Veteran's grandson

lean manufacturing director

This is a quality management system. The term Japanese, it can not be adequately translated into Russian for twenty years. But we make rockets ...

[something like]

GOOD NEWS

[avt]

Outwardly quite nice and diesel engine .... Austrian. But 150 will be too small. As before, DOSAAF would have been powerfully moved .... well, at least not like that. Cute airplane

[Very old]

I remember the Yak-18,52 - and even today they are here and there "on the wing"
Yes, 150 cars are not enough for a huge country
In addition, DOSAAF (I can’t get used to the new name) gets up from its knees

[firefighter]

Not so old, since DOSAAF remember a good word. The old ones are called OSAVIAHIM.

[Very old]

OSAVIAHIM recalled my FATHER - with kind words

[Yuri from Volgograd]

Quote: avt

Outwardly quite nice and diesel engine .... Austrian. But 150 will be too small. As before, DOSAAF would have been powerfully moved .... well, at least not like that. Cute airplane

Quote: avt

Outwardly quite nice and diesel engine .... Austrian. But 150 will be too small. As before, DOSAAF would have been powerfully moved .... well, at least not like that. Cute airplane

In fact, DOSAF-format aircraft are desperately needed. Moreover, this business needs state support.
As a sad example, my native Volgograd, in which Kacha used to be, and now not a single flying club. And by the way, there is not a single airline.
I hope that while my little boys grow, everything will appear and they will be able to fly.

[aviator65]

The Yak-52 in Romania was riveted by hundreds of social integration. And there were no problems with production. As they say, the product was enough for everyone. Now to produce one and a half hundred training machines, moreover, initial training, for us is already a "milestone" in the domestic aircraft industry. There are as many as three cars (!) On the stocks at the plant. The pace of production of the Su-35, however!

[Dmitry Potapov]

The ice has broken! I don’t feel like it, much attention is paid to the training of pilots, it is clear that the doctrine of the Russian Federation implies at least being on an equal footing with the United States, it seems more than one crew of the US destroyer will resign.

[NDR-791]

Already 150 pieces ??? So we are really moving towards the revival of DOSAAF !!! (or an analogue). It is good to flog parachutes on anoraks, it is high time to restore !!! Irkutsk orders are transferred from top to bottom through the holding. They wouldn’t have failed yet ... And so I welcome! And the plane is beautiful! It’s a pity that it’s too late, the plane was not created yesterday, but how many years did 52 work? And there is a younger business!

[weksha50]

Actually, opinions were already expressed at the VO that the flight control mechanism of the piston and jet aircraft is too different from each other ...

Now the training aircraft in the Air Force-VKS are L-39 and Yak-130 ... And the Yak-152 would be very good for the development (return) of the network of flying clubs, as it was before with DOSAAF ...

But in general, information carries a positive charge ...

[Knight Rider]

Quote: weksha50

And the Yak-152 would be very good for the development (return) of the network of flying clubs, as it was before with DOSAAF ...

Quote: NDR-791

Already 150 pieces ??? So we are really moving towards the revival of DOSAAF !!

Quote: Very old

Yes, 150 cars are not enough for a huge country
In addition, DOSAAF (I can’t get used to the new name) gets up from its knees

Quote: avt

As before, DOSAAF would have been powerfully moved .... well, at least not like that.

And what does the Yak-152 and DOSAAF. Or is the Yak-152 not a machine for the initial training of MILITARY pilots?

[Very old]

Yes, and for the initial training of military pilots
But for them, 130 is still better!
School and university - well, very different levels

[mav1971]

Quote: Old very

Yes, and for the initial training of military pilots
But for them, 130 is still better!
School and university - well, very different levels

The first flight to do on the Yak-130? Are you crazy or what?

The first flights should be done on a small light airplane in order to experience it alive. that the air is "alive" in fact, air flows feel, and not something transparent ...

[faridg7]

Quote: mav1971

Quote: Old very

Yes, and for the initial training of military pilots
But for them, 130 is still better!
School and university - well, very different levels

The first flight to do on the Yak-130? Are you crazy or what?

The first flights should be done on a small light airplane in order to experience it alive. that the air is "alive" in fact, air flows feel, and not something transparent ...

Well, my elder, he sniffed the air on the TekhnameR2000, what is needed is better only if you would have sniffed the glider for the first time, but it didn’t work out that way.
It’s hard to master flying clubs such as Teknam or Tsesna, but there’s no talk about yaki. We have yaks in Novonezhino, there are no funds at the flying club, as long as yak18 remains on the wing, and yes, 150.

[avt]

Quote: KnightRider

And what does the Yak-152 and DOSAAF. Or is the Yak-152 not a machine for the initial training of MILITARY pilots?

Googel in Claudia and decipher the abbreviation OSOAVIAHIM / DOSAAF.

[firefighter]

"information carries a positive charge .."
Solid positive. Hooray!

[APASUS]

I understand complexes, not planes?

The training complex is being developed by OAO Yakovlev Design Bureau under a contract with the Ministry of Defense of Russia to conduct development work on the development of a training complex for the initial flight training of pilots on the basis of a training aircraft for Yak-152 initial training under the cipher "birdie-air force." The training complex is based on the design of the Yak-152 training aircraft. In addition to the Yak-152 aircraft, the complex also includes a procedural simulator (“Special equipment”), training and computer classes (OJSC “Corporation“ Irkut ”), and a system of means for objective control (“ Topaz ”).

[avg-mgn]

Since there is already a reserve, they will soon begin to issue. Cadets have been waiting for a presentation at 2014.

[vit]

quantity pleases! either more pilots began to be trained, or cadets would fly more often. I don’t even know which is better!

[Mavrikiy]

There will be little wato.

[Knight Rider]

Quote: Mavrikiy

There will be little wato.

Duc, this is the first but not the last contract!

[megafair]

That's right, in order to achieve the results that are described here in this article "Soviet aviation suffered the least losses in the Second World War of all the belligerent powers": http://topwar.ru/96391-sovetskaya-aviaciya-ponesla- naimenshie-poteri-vo-vtoroy-m
irovoy-voyne-iz-vseh-voyyuyuschih-derzhav.html

It is also necessary to expand the training base.

[Thunderbolt]

Yamanov recalled that "the Yak-152 light training aircraft achieves speeds up to 350 kilometers per hour and has a catapult."

Yakovlevites write that max. speed of 500 km / h.

[Zaurbek]

Have you mastered Austrian diesel?

[NDR-791]

There "the owner of Shumak" (Graze, Grazer?) Is not the last person at the plant. He will bring engines in his pocket without mastering!

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: Zaurbek

Have you mastered Austrian diesel?

With diesel, a different story. Developer - a citizen of Russia. The engine was created here, but he could open his own business only abroad.

[donavi49]

However, the engine is registered in Austria, the company is also there, they are also physically produced in Austria. If the Anchor is recognized as sanctioned (yet the MO ordered) then there will be problems.

[iouris]

Quote: Blackgrifon

could open his own business only abroad

That is the point. The engine is needed only here, and the rights abroad. The opinion of the developer, most likely, was not asked.

[Val roman]

From this place can you read more?

[Val roman]

And it’s not cheaper to return the developer’s specialist along with the rights to the engine and give him the opportunity to create other modifications, the Defense Ministry spent much more on Vasiliev and it’s all to no avail.

[Vitas]

Yak - 152, and ordered 150 cars. Where else 2 delhi ?! )))

[Vadim237]

They did not fit into the procurement budget.

[Very old]

Ali do not know?
These are the current realities ...

[Furious bambr]

... message of the director of lean manufacturing of the enterprise Sergey Yamanov

And this is the deputy director for negligence

[Muvka]

A little off topic, but about planes.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFxTXFAtw98
Sorry I will sleep)

[da Vinci]

But were there ready-made planes? How can I order planes without testing ??

[iliitchitch]

Quote: Paul1

Yak3 did more, almost 600

"Stirlitz whipped nonsense. Screeching nonsense." This is she, SHOOT. He did not do 600, five-point in the ninth version, with acceleration, on a clean gasoline, otherwise the glider would have collapsed. Now what? "Messers" are not guys from the street either, but we had an Armored Train. Therefore, they are still alive.

[F751]

Quote: iliitch

Quote: Paul1

Yak3 did more, almost 600

"Stirlitz whipped nonsense. Screeching nonsense." This is she, SHOOT. He did not do 600, five-point in the ninth version, with acceleration, on a clean gasoline, otherwise the glider would have collapsed. Now what? "Messers" are not guys from the street either, but we had an Armored Train. Therefore, they are still alive.

Latest "mods" in diving 720 do you want to read the "manuals"

[Corsair0304]

Whoever says anything, and such enterprises as in Irkutsk need to be raised with the help of the state and the order from the Moscow region for 150 YAK-152 is the first step. It is clear that the delivery dates were not specified, but no more than 5 years, I think, otherwise the whole point of government support for the aviation industry enterprise is lost. It is certainly sad that the Austrian engine, although invented by a Russian engineer, is worth it to us. This is our Achilles heel. Really cover with sanctions and an amba to the project. Until we find the right engine, so much water will leak. But to compare fighter Yak-3 (9) and training Yak-152 is absolutely not worth it, because the tasks are different. On one - beat the Nazis, on the other - put chicks on the wing. In my opinion, if you transfer from a kid from a tricycle to a sports car, he will also leave to the first pillar.
And so everything is logical: YAK-152 - YAK-130 - MiG-35 ...

[Igor I.]

Ah yes Raiklin, oh yeah son of a bitch! I finished it!
True, the location, apparently, had to be changed: you can’t do anything with a German residence permit on the Russian front, did you have to dress the Austrian negligee?
But what about earthly roots ??? Hockenheimring ??? Adenau ???
_____________________________
RED aircraft GmbH
Am alten wehr 23
D-53518 Adenau
[email protected]
_____________________________

Had a personal chat, stayed with a nose ...
But in general, his engine is wonderful! He already has them for years ... he will present:
http://eng.tatar-inform.ru/news/2013/07/04/43263/

Only now, before the aviation breakthrough, I watched it like a retro-styling - "hispano-suiza", "russo-balt". ... And he marked himself with a gearbox ... And he drove it under a diesel (or already under kerosene ???)

In comparison with the M-14, a grand jerk ....
PRICE !!!

[Igor I.]

Raiklin is a racer, not an aviator ... And his earthly motors are not suitable in the air ...

But DOSAAFofskoy lobby with a weak Jewish contacts ... The rank is not the same, sorry ..
MO here too - not that weight category ... Sorry again ..

And so the former master rushes about in search of ...
... or the light at the end ...?

[Igor I.]

Raiklin is a racer, not an aviator ... And his earthly motors are not suitable in the air ...

But DOSAAFofskoy lobby with a weak Jewish contacts ... The rank is not the same, sorry ..
MO here too - not that weight category ... Sorry again ..

And so the former master rushes about in search of ...
... or the light at the end ...?

[Igor I.]

Raiklin is a racer, not an aviator ... And his earthly motors are not suitable in the air ...

But DOSAAFofskoy lobby with a weak Jewish contacts ... The rank is not the same, sorry ..
MO here too - not that weight category ... Sorry again ..

And so the former master rushes about in search of ...
... or the light at the end ...?

[Sars]

Someone can say: why should the capacity of one of the busiest enterprises, in the conditions of army rearmament and possible hostilities with "Western partners", be diverted to the manufacture of aircraft that were previously produced in "bed workshops"? Let's start producing hang gliders at IAZ, because they are also needed for the initial training of future pilots.

[aviator65]

That's the trouble! The same Yak-52 successfully riveted in fraternal Romania, An-2 in Poland, from there they also planted the "Vilgi-35", and the Mi-2 too. Thanks to SEV! But their factories could not bother with this little thing, they provided both the Civil Air Fleet and the Air Force. And now they are trying to cram all possible nomenclature into one serial plant, from trainers to passenger and fighters. But at the same time, a bunch of directors were formed. Vaughn, and the director of "thrift" showed up. And probably there is also a director for economy, development, quality, personnel, etc. But there is no one to put on the conveyor ...

[Sars]

The plane is necessary, but you need to find another production site for its release. Previously, equipment of this level was collected in "bed workshops". It is not appropriate to spray the Irkut base now.

[AKsvlad047]

I think this aircraft is very necessary not only in the Russian Air Force, but also in DOSAF, deliveries must be made!

[I doubt it]

Almost certainly, according to the current liberal-capitalist reality, the contract has been stretched for 20 years.
And then they will cut from 150 to 5. Budget, shortage, sequestration, optimization, "There is no money, but you hold on ...".
And then there are the next sanctions to arrive. EC engine.
And how much does it cost, this engine, does the "director of economic theft" know?
"Do not count your chickens before they are hatched". Russian folk wisdom.
When complete, then trumpet.

[Arikkhab]

interesting, but the Yak-152 has already passed flight tests, or immediately ordered a still flight aircraft?

[Whowhy]

Obviously the rear alignment, the absence of automatic slats - this is not a flying desk, but a flying coffin of some sort ... And he will not be able to fight helicopters (as they say in some places) due to poor maneuverability and the danger of falling into a flat corkscrew.

[geologist]

The Yak-3 was a plywood aircraft (russfaner) and at a maximum speed of 650 on a dive could crumble into sawdust, so the stronger metal fighters - Messera and Fokers preferred to avoid the threat at the peak, and at the beginning of the war the Germans preferred Of course, such nuggets of war as Vorozheikin could work miracles on the Yaks, but ordinary pilots were afraid of them ... Golubev, a thunderstorm of the German aces, did not consider Migi and Yaki fighters at all, since the I-16 was his dream machine, and then La-5fn.

[dep071]

Quote: vladimirZ

Misunderstanding something is happening in the order system of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation.
Why for MO, for the initial training of pilots, is an airplane of the past: a screw, piston aircraft with a speed of 300 km / h? What is it to replace the training aircraft of the era of jet aircraft L-39?
In the training of military pilots of jet aircraft, the transition from L-39 training rocket desks to piston, screw YAK-152, with speeds several times slower, is a step backwards !!!
What is nowhere to put money in Russia to produce a car of the past? There is no jet engine for a simple, easy, cheap single-engine training aircraft? So for the Yak-152 engine imported piston.
What is the logic I do not understand? Or in the Moscow Region, the ladies of the Serdyukov shoots continue to sit on the system of orders for military equipment. Then, even as they were promoting as a training aircraft for the initial training of the Yak-130, I was surprised at the unreasonableness of that decision to create a complex, expensive, two-engine aircraft, as a training one, to replace the L-39. It seems that there are not specialists in the Defense Ministry, but budget "sawers" who care little about the needs of the Army.

Are the armata-type tanks really needed by the army? new machines or replacement of "sand" is also a necessity? Let people learn to fly in such a clumsy way, as you described, and of course it is cheaper than on the MiG-29.

[Argon]

I agree with you, but only in part. For the sake of objectivity, we note that the L-39 did not fully meet the requirements of the approved training cycles, flight and combat training of schools, which forced the use of combat training modifications of combat vehicles. The deepest delusion is to believe that the "desk" should be as light and cheap as possible, it should be as reliable as possible, as for MGH, the Yak-130 gets to the very "point" - this "platform" allows you to place a power plant on board that provides sufficient power-to-weight ratio, and its dimensions are minimal enough to talk about meteorological minima .And the situation in the press regarding the development of new light-class vehicles (in the interests of the Aerospace Forces) becomes somewhat clearer if we imagine that we are not talking about trainers but about "heavy" drones.

[Denis Skiff]

Today, these Yaks, tomorrow vertical take-off and landing planes are wagging over.
L-39 We made friends with the allies and therefore this trough flies with us. And they could Migi and Drying, and with one engine and with three and twenty.
MO just listened to you. What is needed, then they will be put to train pilots. Do not like it or problems will be replaced by others.

[Rusfaner]

And its earthly motors are not suitable in the air ...

I agree with this statement. IMHO need an aircraft engine. OWN! It works in completely different modes.
And yet, for the INITIAL training aircraft, the tandem pilot landing scheme, in my opinion, is not suitable. Better as in the Yak-18T. In flight, the instructor can also make a terrible face and playful hands give, etc. And in the 152nd a lonely cadet will sit in the front cabin and listen to mats on SPU.

[Engineer]

Quote: vladimirZ

Why for MO, for the initial training of pilots, is an airplane of the past: a screw, piston aircraft with a speed of 300 km / h? What is it to replace the training aircraft of the era of jet aircraft L-39?

So you came to the airport and immediately flew on a jet L-39? Have you ever flown a passenger? This is an airplane for initial training. For the first flights! I'm not talking about all kinds of flying clubs, where the jet L-39 has never been spawn.

Quote: Aspeed

I totally agree. Especially surprising is the solution in the presence of a ready-for-production CP-10

"pilot" from the same opera.