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Russian Helicopters will be transferred from Microsoft Windows to Linux

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The head of RT-Inform, a structural part of Rostec, Kamil Gazizov told reporters about the gradual programmatic transition of individual arms manufacturers in Russia. We are talking about replacing the Microsoft Windows operating system, which is still actively used on many production sites in Russia, with the Linux operating system. The pilot project of such a transition will be implemented in relation to the holding company "Helicopters of Russia".

Russian Helicopters will be transferred from Microsoft Windows to Linux


Statement by Camil Gazizov leads Interfax:
We are committed to this (the transition to Linux). Let's see how comfortable this will be. Our main problem was that our domestic systems either do not represent the whole range of products, or they are still raw, so we start with a pilot (pilot project).


Earlier, representatives of the company "Helicopters of Russia" said that by 2019, they plan to completely abandon the operation of the Microsoft Windows operating system. This is connected not only with the high vulnerability of the system in front of various kinds of spyware (apart from the modern Microsoft Windows operating system as the embodiment of the spyware software), but also with the attempt to produce software import substitution. The company believes that Linux allows to actively implement domestic software development that can help in the implementation, for example, design activities.

During the conference “Digital Industry of Industrial Russia” held in June from 7 to 10, RT-Inform presents its own developments in the field of computer technologies and systems. Together with other companies, RT-Inform has created and presented a new data storage system with completely Russian software.

Press office the company quotes Kamil Gazizov:
This is the first Russian device of this level where 100% domestic software is used. While developing the software part of the system, we did not limit ourselves to traditional consumer functionality and used additional solutions in the field of information processing and storage. This made it possible to obtain a number of advantages in comparison with Western counterparts. The equipment has increased fault tolerance, solves the problem of system scalability and fast data recovery.
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  1. Andrey Yuryevich
    Andrey Yuryevich 7 June 2016 16: 56
    +25
    Russian Helicopters will be transferred from Microsoft Windows to Linux
    well, finally ... as the Americans roughly said there: "a small step of one domestic operating system is a big step towards the independence of the country." (free interpretation)
    1. Sluggish
      Sluggish 7 June 2016 16: 59
      .
      What finally? Full of stupidity. And will they also replace Sisco routers with Russian ones?
      1. reservist
        reservist 7 June 2016 17: 10
        +23
        Quote: Sluggish
        A routers SWill they also replace Cisco with Russian ones?

        to Chinese Huawei ...
        1. mav1971
          mav1971 7 June 2016 18: 29
          +5
          Quote: reservist
          Quote: Sluggish
          A routers SWill they also replace Cisco with Russian ones?

          to Chinese Huawei ...


          In which there are more bookmarks than the Americans could have imagined ...
          The scandal with the huavai has recently been more than not weak.

          Tsiska - decatsat compared to Huawei and ZTE ...
          1. reservist
            reservist 8 June 2016 16: 05
            0
            well then we raise quagga on the same linux
      2. Andrey Yuryevich
        Andrey Yuryevich 7 June 2016 17: 28
        +23
        stupidity is to sit on enemy software ... I said: a small step, but a step forward.
        1. iConst
          iConst 7 June 2016 17: 44
          +16
          Quote: Andrey Yurievich
          stupidity is to sit on enemy software ... I said: a small step, but a step forward.

          In fact, Linux is also not domestic. The core is made exclusively by the team of Linus Torvalds.
          But the GUI is already wreaking havoc.

          The only plus of this - there are free versions and completely open source code - in theory you can find a bookmark.

          However, in practice, in order to not only view, but also understand millions of lines of entangled code, more than one month of work of a competent team of programmers is needed.

          But, anyway - it’s better that way. For nefig feed America.

          Weeping about the lack and dampness of software is a laugh. And CADs and the bald hell just do not exist under Linux.

          Instead of putting these lards in Uncle Billy's pocket, they would dry the "raw" products.

          So no - they even want kickbacks without straining ... laughing
          1. Egor-dis
            Egor-dis 7 June 2016 20: 03
            +7
            Quote: iConst
            In fact, Linux is also not domestic. The core is made exclusively by the team of Linus Torvalds.

            Which absolutely does not interfere, in accordance with the GPL license, to use it for their own purposes. And create on its basis, not only your own kernels, but also your own distributions. What is being done with success.

            The only plus of this - there are free versions and completely open source code - in theory you can find a bookmark.

            However, in practice, in order to not only view, but also understand millions of lines of entangled code, more than one month of work of a competent team of programmers is needed.
            Well, a critical mass of literate programmers is slowly gaining, judging by recent competitions.
            But, anyway - it’s better that way. For nefig feed America.
            Definitely!
        2. NEXUS
          NEXUS 7 June 2016 17: 50
          +4
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          stupidity is to sit on enemy software ... I said: a small step, but a step forward.

          It's time ... the FSB has been using Linux for a long time. By the way, on the Linux kernel, we are developing the domestic operating system Synergy ..
          They decided to release their own operating system to compete with the popular Windows not only in China, but also in Russia. The domestic operating system will be called Synergy.

          According to domestic media, in early August, the management of Russian Railways, Rosatom and the Russian Federal Nuclear Center decided to join forces to create their own operating system. An OS called Synergy will be based on the open source Linux kernel. The leaders of the above companies expect that over time this operating system will be able to compete with Windows in the domestic market, and in the Russian nuclear center Synergy will completely replace the Microsoft operating system that is currently used there.

          A preliminary version of the “Russian” operating system is now being tested in the nuclear center of Sarov.

          When work on the creation of the Synergy OS is completed, it is not specified. They do not report whether it will be available to ordinary users. It is only known that the new platform will meet all modern requirements for the safety and security of user data.
          1. Egor-dis
            Egor-dis 7 June 2016 20: 15
            +2
            Quote: NEXUS
            By the way, on the Linux kernel, we are developing the domestic operating system Synergy ..

            This is one of ...
            https://www.rosalinux.ru/
            http://www.altlinux.ru/
            http://cniieisu.ru/index.php/producti-i-uslugi/17-produkciya/bazovye-informatsio
            nnye-tekhnologii / operatsionnaya-sistema-rassvet
            http://cniieisu.ru/index.php/producti-i-uslugi/17-produkciya/bazovye-informatsio
            nnye-tekhnologii / operatsionnaya-sistema-zarya-rv
          2. GSH-18
            GSH-18 9 June 2016 00: 35
            0
            Quote: NEXUS
            It's time ... the FSB has been using Linux for a long time. By the way, on the Linux kernel, we are developing the domestic operating system Synergy ..

            For the sake of interest, I demolished Windows on my old computer and installed Linux. Do you know what happened? My old computer flew cooler than the new one, which on Windows ex pi!
        3. mav1971
          mav1971 7 June 2016 18: 37
          -1
          Quote: Andrew Y.
          stupidity is to sit on enemy software ... I said: a small step, but a step forward.



          That's just economically. this is a step back.

          I 2 times moved to Linux in organizations.
          The performance drop in the simplest office tasks is multiple.
          For just an unusual system of use for our inhabitants.
          simple correspondence - file sharing by other enterprises using different office suites is a problem.
          They have the standard Office 2013 - you have a liberophis. and pindyk to you and them.
          Formulas, if they work, then not everything can do anything.
          Formatting - will float.
          And most importantly - there is no and will not be a common solution.
          Because. that they have a standard prescribed and not a step to the side and you have a standard prescribed.
          And.
          1. weksha50
            weksha50 7 June 2016 18: 57
            +7
            Quote: mav1971
            For just an unusual system of use for our inhabitants.
            simple correspondence - file sharing by other enterprises using different office suites is a problem.
            They have the standard Office 2013 - you have a liberophis. and pindyk to you and them.



            That's it ... The problem is not a drop in performance, because Linux is even more suitable for solving design problems ... And the system is least affected by viruses ...

            And this question - about supposedly incompatibility - can be resolved by officially fixing monotonous software in the respective enterprises and institutions ... As your time went to IBM-compatible computers, the same can be done with domestic systems ...

            But the reluctance to learn and work on new systems is just a human mentality ... Who needs it - he will study and work ....

            And we are not talking about ordinary philistine correspondence ???
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 7 June 2016 21: 46
              0
              Quote: weksha50

              And we are not talking about ordinary philistine correspondence ???


              99% of computer use is regular correspondence.
              And only 1% - all sorts of CADs.

              If you did not consider. that all storekeepers, accountants, economists. personnel officers, secretaries. marketers and purchasers - have to do a huge paperwork - this is so.
              And it is precisely on their mass that the technological process and work depend in reality.
              And not from designers and other "white bones".
              And their role is so great - that stopping production with a stupid stroke of a pen for a sudden introduction - is easy and unconstrained.
          2. kolyhalovs
            kolyhalovs 7 June 2016 21: 13
            +1
            You see what progress! You have already tried 2 (two) times to transfer some non-specific production process to open source software. Yes, problems, yes, I didn’t like it, but something was wrong. Just a few years ago in the Win98 era, I even dare to suggest that up to the XP era, open source software was the domain of highly specialized industries, servers, fanatics and gurus. What is production there, put Unix / Linux at home, it was a challenge. Now I am writing from it to you, and I myself have oak in it. So that progress is obvious and sooner or later, Windows will go into oblivion. In fact, we see it ALREADY. After all, Android is also Linux.
            1. mav1971
              mav1971 7 June 2016 21: 47
              -1
              Quote: kolyhalovs
              Windows will go into oblivion. In fact, we see it ALREADY. After all, Android is also Linux.


              Install Android on your home computer. I give you a week, not more. Take out there again.
            2. Greenwood
              Greenwood 8 June 2016 06: 02
              -1
              Quote: kolyhalovs
              sooner or later Windows will go into oblivion
              It will not be this. In Linux-systems, too many operations need to be done through the console, which makes its use unrealistic for ordinary home use by an ordinary person. Until they make communication with the computer through the dialog boxes, Windows will be inaccessible.
          3. xtur
            xtur 8 June 2016 01: 42
            +2
            > The drop in productivity in the simplest office tasks is multiple

            crooked hands?
            lack of a motivating pendell from the authorities?

            the motivating kick of the boss was enough for the most ordinary company to switch to another software and work quite productively
          4. tux
            tux 8 June 2016 08: 10
            +1
            Quote: mav1971
            I 2 times moved to Linux in organizations.
            The performance drop in the simplest office tasks is multiple.
            For just an unusual system of use for our inhabitants.
            simple correspondence - file sharing by other enterprises using different office suites is a problem.
            They have the standard Office 2013 - you have a liberophis. and pindyk to you and them.
            Formulas, if they work, then not everything can do anything.
            Formatting - will float.
            And most importantly - there is no and will not be a common solution.
            Because. that they have a standard prescribed and not a step to the side and you have a standard prescribed.


            Not everything is sad. (30.05.2013/10/12 XNUMX:XNUMX Migration of Munich state institutions to Linux successfully completed.

            The administration of Munich announced the successful completion of the project on the migration of more than 14 thousand workstations of state institutions to Linux and free software. The transfer of public institutions in Munich to open source software has been ongoing since 2003 and has already allowed the city budget to save more than 10 million euros, while saving money has become only an accompanying factor and has never been considered as the main task. The main goal of migration was to reduce dependence on individual software manufacturers, ensure support for open standards and stimulate the work of local IT companies. Adapted from the OpenNet website) (The Italian Ministry of Defense intends to transfer about 150 thousand workstations to use the free LibreOffice office suite. They plan to complete the transition before the end of 2016, starting the transfer in October of this year. A set of training courses will be developed to simplify the transition, the materials of which will be published under a Creative Commons license.

            The transition of the Ministry of Defense to the use of LibreOffice is carried out as part of the implementation of the law of June 2012, which states that the country's administrative institutions should primarily use software solutions based on free software. Although this is the first ministry in Italy to carry out such a transition, the local authorities of the Emilia-Romagna region, the provinces of Perugia, Cremona, Macerata, Bolzano and Trento, the cities of Bologna, Piacenza and Reggio Emilia have already switched to STRs.

            I would like to remind you that this is not the first major transition of a state institution in Europe: the French Ministry of the Interior uses LibreOffice on 240 thousand cars, the French Gendarmerie on 72 thousand.)

            By the way, Microsoft itself does not fully withstand its standards.
            And one more thing - 1C has long supported in its products as Linux on the server on and on the workstation (desktop).
      3. Oznob
        Oznob 7 June 2016 17: 46
        +3
        This scenario is quite realistic. In any case, the defense industry complex announced the creation of a router that claims to be a segment of backbone networks. True, experts suspect that he is a "puss with a fryakha". Well, it's not the point, if only it provides the declared performance. They promise a price 15% lower in comparison with similar Cisco solutions.
        1. agbykov
          agbykov 7 June 2016 19: 50
          +2
          Cisco devices are also specialized computers with * nix-like OS ...
          1. Oznob
            Oznob 8 June 2016 12: 00
            0
            I will not go into details of how "pisyuk with fryakha" differs from the decisions of boobs (especially about prices), the devil is in the details.
          2. Oznob
            Oznob 8 June 2016 12: 00
            0
            I will not go into details of how "pisyuk with fryakha" differs from the decisions of boobs (especially about prices), the devil is in the details.
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      5. Genry
        Genry 7 June 2016 20: 23
        +1
        Quote: Sluggish
        And will they also replace Sisco routers with Russian ones?

        But such a Russian will not work?
        QSR-480
        http://www.qtech.ru/catalog/marsh/408/info.htm
        1. reservist
          reservist 8 June 2016 16: 08
          0
          This is what they do in Novosibirsk?
        2. Comrade Artem
          Comrade Artem 8 June 2016 20: 03
          -1
          ipat - pound !!!! What it is??? And in terms of IT, it will fit into the room?
    2. Hon
      Hon 7 June 2016 17: 10
      +6
      Quote: Andrey Yurievich
      well, finally ... as the Americans roughly said there: "a small step of one domestic operating system is a big step towards the independence of the country." (free interpretation)

      Linux is not entirely domestic development, just a more open OS
      1. Oznob
        Oznob 7 June 2016 17: 50
        +8
        I’ll clarify. Linux is not an OS at all, but its kernel, on the basis of which the OS is built. The main thing in the source code is supplied, you can finish it and fix bugs. In general, your blackjack with sl ... with a cabaret based on linukha or freeze-down to gash - this is the right step.
        1. Basarev
          Basarev 7 June 2016 18: 03
          0
          A completely Russian OS is not at all? And it looks like a state program: instead of import substitution, that is, replacing the import with your own designs — substitution within the import — it’s just instead of one import another: instead, they put the Finnish OS. And I would like a purely Russian system ...
          1. Oznob
            Oznob 7 June 2016 18: 11
            +7
            Of those widely used in industrial use, there is a "purely American OS" Windows family from Microsoft. The rest of the operating systems (bsd-based, linux-based) are international projects, written by the whole world. And then in terms of device drivers (and drivers are an important component), Windows has the same axis of international development. Another thing is that the centers of activity in IT development are more fully represented in the United States. But the world is changing, and we also apply our inquisitive Russian mind and talented hands to this. good
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          3. alexmach
            alexmach 7 June 2016 22: 18
            +1
            Yeah ... I think you need to dig even deeper and invent a completely Russian wheel. And why are we on wheels invented by the Assyrians? Give your own, square!
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    4. siberalt
      siberalt 7 June 2016 18: 05
      +2
      This already looks like a real import substitution! And there will be a progress in the network industry. Down and Out trouble started.
  2. dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 7 June 2016 16: 56
    +12
    It's time to bring your OS to mind ..
    1. Kibalchish
      Kibalchish 7 June 2016 17: 00
      +4
      And Windows is ours. It was made in Microsoft by Russian programmers, who at one time left the "spiritual braces" for 25 thousand rubles. to the "decaying West". Rotting now laughing
    2. Hon
      Hon 7 June 2016 17: 14
      +5
      Quote: dmi.pris
      It's time to bring your OS to mind ..

      there is no sawing Linux yet
  3. Wedmak
    Wedmak 7 June 2016 16: 57
    +3
    Yeah, and you will also develop design systems for Linux? Or run through the vine? Not so simple.
    1. Homo
      Homo 7 June 2016 17: 17
      +10
      Quote: Wedmak
      Yeah, and you will also develop design systems for Linux?

      Compass 3d linux! tongue
      1. iConst
        iConst 7 June 2016 17: 49
        +4
        Quote: Homo
        Quote: Wedmak
        Yeah, and you will also develop design systems for Linux?

        Compass 3d linux! tongue

        There are CADs under Linux. And then - for a long time there is an opportunity to broadcast vin-API code under Linux. Not everything is smooth, but there are pens to finish it on.
        1. Wedmak
          Wedmak 7 June 2016 20: 44
          +1
          And then - for a long time there is an opportunity to broadcast vin-API code under Linux. Not everything is smooth, but there are pens to finish it on.

          Perhaps you can’t even imagine how much you need to cut there. The scale is industrial! If on Windows directX and all sorts of graphic platforms (Unity? CryEngine, etc.) are very powerful and well-developed, then on Linux you will not be very scattered about Qt. And 3D in design, a thing very, very necessary.
          1. jPilot
            jPilot 8 June 2016 04: 04
            0
            "Chicken by grain, in pi de egg" wink Microsoft Windows also did not immediately get hold of those developments from which it is now "cutting" "coupons" to the delight of America. And with this it was necessary to do something, I am glad that the process has gone. And the fact that international development is also not bad.
          2. tux
            tux 8 June 2016 08: 23
            +1
            Quote: Wedmak
            If on Windows directX and all sorts of graphic platforms (Unity? CryEngine, etc.) are very powerful and well-developed, then on Linux you will not be very scattered about Qt. And 3D in design, a thing very, very necessary.


            Sorry, but you mixed a bunch of different concepts. Warm with soft. You’d better find out for yourself what OpenGL is and where it works.
        2. Starover_Z
          Starover_Z 7 June 2016 22: 59
          -2
          Quote: iConst
          Quote: Homo
          Quote: Wedmak
          Yeah, and you will also develop design systems for Linux?

          Compass 3d linux! tongue

          There are CADs under Linux. And then - for a long time there is an opportunity to broadcast vin-API code under Linux. Not everything is smooth, but there are pens to finish it on.

          File, file! laughing
  4. noWAR
    noWAR 7 June 2016 16: 58
    +2
    Going together means. :-). Very glad . True, I'm confused in Linux. :-). Piece 15 set. To taste mint, manzharo, fedora, arch. So just the user can not figure it out. Trying. :-).
    1. boris-1230
      boris-1230 7 June 2016 17: 46
      +4
      True, I'm confused in Linux. :-). Piece 15 set. To taste mint, manzharo, fedora, arch. So just the user can not figure it out. I'm trying. :-).

      Respected! Try "Rosa" - Russian Linux. I like it! Not bad: both the appearance and the content! hi
      1. Wedmak
        Wedmak 7 June 2016 20: 45
        0
        Try "Rosa" - Russian Linux. I like it!

        I support, very high quality and clearly made.
  5. deleter24
    deleter24 7 June 2016 17: 01
    0
    Correct solution! It's time to get rid of this sieve, which is only playfully.
  6. Irokez
    Irokez 7 June 2016 17: 03
    +4
    The idea is certainly not a bad one, I approve, but first of all for designing you need to transfer CAD systems to Linux, for example Compass 3D, and then it's half the battle, and all the rest, such as Offices and Databases, there are already all kinds of alternative ones and in addition are free.
  7. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 7 June 2016 17: 07
    +4
    Why do we still have "Windows" underfoot in the Ministry of Defense? In an ambush, hello from the red-haired billionaire.
    1. Hon
      Hon 7 June 2016 17: 16
      +1
      go to android laughing
      1. mad
        mad 7 June 2016 17: 45
        +6
        wassat I’ll tell you a secret, it’s on the lightweight Linux kernel so it’s assembled laughing
        1. Hon
          Hon 7 June 2016 20: 30
          0
          That is why I mentioned it
      2. Next
        Next 7 June 2016 17: 53
        +3
        Quote: Hon
        go to android


        Well, probably it's not so much about giving up Windows as about preparing for a smooth transition to its "hardware", because Baikal is then sharpened specifically for Linux and apparently is already on its way. Therefore, if I'm not mistaken, the news is just great. And there is already a processor for routers.
  8. SAMIKHALYCH
    SAMIKHALYCH 7 June 2016 17: 22
    +8
    Well, quite competently (as I can see here from the couch :)) .. Of course there are a lot of difficulties, but there are many pluses .. To start, to solve the problems that have arisen and arise .. and there, with the development, in general, transfer all of Russia to Russian. Routers, by the way for Sluggish, also Russian will appear, if the need arises, but it arises .. Why should you start after all? From the defense - that’s it ..
    1. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 7 June 2016 17: 29
      +3
      Quote: SAMIKHALYCH
      Initiate,

      key phrase. yes
  9. then
    then 7 June 2016 17: 47
    +2
    Writing your own OS is expensive and not reasonable, but it’s quite possible to connect to the development of open operating systems. Only our IT companies KOMPAS, T-FLEX firmly sit on Windows and do not feel enthusiastic about transferring their products to Linux.
    1. Oznob
      Oznob 7 June 2016 17: 54
      +6
      Well, sweetie and magic pendal do wonders wassat
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  10. Schoolboy
    Schoolboy 7 June 2016 17: 55
    +4
    Quote: iConst
    The core is made exclusively by the team of Linus Torvalds.

    It is being developed by the world community, which includes our compatriots. Linus is just the creator and main developer of the first versions. Now most of the patches are not made by him.
    1. iConst
      iConst 7 June 2016 18: 51
      +2
      Quote: Schoolboy
      Quote: iConst
      The core is made exclusively by the team of Linus Torvalds.

      It is being developed by the world community, which includes our compatriots. Linus is just the creator and main developer of the first versions. Now most of the patches are not made by him.

      We are talking about the official "vanilla" versions. And the fact that a cloud is picking at the core of the people - who would argue.
      Once again, the official versions that brand developers take as the basis for their Linux distributions are only from Linus, which combines changes from specific people who are entrusted with the 2.X, 3.X. lines.

      Now 4 is already PK2, as far as I remember.
  11. demiurg
    demiurg 7 June 2016 18: 05
    +2
    Small after the failure of the millennium covered in bugs like a hedgehog with needles, they hired John Carmack. Which with his team and built a very good wine xp.
    I do not see anything shameful to hire this uncle, he is now keen on space. You can help him, but he is Russia.
  12. Spectre
    Spectre 7 June 2016 18: 24
    +1
    Quote: demiurg
    Small after the failure of the millennium covered in bugs like a hedgehog with needles, they hired John Carmack. Which with his team and built a very good wine xp.

    Doesn’t it bother you that WinME is the same 98SE with a new theme and a couple of features that can be easily turned off, but XP is a little modified 2000, which is the NT line? I don’t understand how it all mixed up in your head, but if John Carmack stuck it all together, then of course the questions disappear. :)

    If, in fact, it is a very important step, albeit belated for a good 10 years. But it is better late than never to change a closed paid OS for an open free product. And the problems associated with the transition, of course, will be. But everything will be decided by literate IT specialists in Russia.
  13. tuts
    tuts 7 June 2016 18: 38
    -2
    It is not real. You can replace Windows only at the secretaries' places and the like. At present, there is no heavy openSourse design CAD system on Linux not here, not abroad.
    A possible solution is to leave in the clouds and transfer software to the cloud, but the cost of such a solution is sky-high !!!
  14. lopvlad
    lopvlad 7 June 2016 18: 43
    +2
    Quote: iConst
    The core is made exclusively by the team of Linus Torvalds.
    But the GUI is already wreaking havoc.


    the team checks and tests before making changes to the kernel (releasing a new revision of the kernel), but the main contribution is now made by separate independent developers to the kernel.
    It is wrong to divide the composition of a Linux system into a kernel + GUI. A kernel with loadable modules is correct (if the kernel is monolithic, then modules inside the kernel) + programs + GUI (colorful desktop). You can do without a GUI. All this is completely free, only the kernel then with restrictions (for example, there are restrictions on certain protocols for the commercial use of which you need to unfasten to the developer)

    The Linux kernel is good in that it can be used to build the system exclusively for your hardware and for your tasks, throwing out everything that is unnecessary and simply eats up the processor and RAM resources.

    For the industry, in my opinion, there is nothing better than Linux. So the industry in Russia finally began to be switched to Linux, which means that the influence of Windows lobbyists in power was weakened, and there was less money for purchasing bookmarked systems.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 7 June 2016 19: 05
      0
      Quote: lopvlad
      The Linux kernel is good in that it can be used to build the system exclusively for your hardware and for your tasks, throwing out everything that is unnecessary and simply eats up the processor and RAM resources.

      For the industry, in my opinion, there is nothing better than Linux. So the industry in Russia finally began to be switched to Linux, which means that the influence of Windows lobbyists in power was weakened, and there was less money for purchasing bookmarked systems.


      Absolutely right ! hi
  15. Spectre
    Spectre 7 June 2016 18: 45
    +1
    Quote: tots
    It is not real. You can replace Windows only at the secretaries' places and the like. At present, there is no heavy openSourse design CAD system on Linux not here, not abroad.

    Could you formulate how many computers in the entire structure of Russian Helicopters are used with the "design CAD system"? For some reason it seems to me that it is less than 10%, but rather even in the region of 1%. And hence another question for you - do you need to cancel the transfer of the remaining 90% + computers because of this?
    1. tuts
      tuts 7 June 2016 22: 21
      0
      Let me rephrase there are no heavy corporate systems on Linux not here, not abroad.
      Lightweight IT systems can and should be installed. Heavy corporate systems are more than dozens of simultaneously involved engineers (engineering and technical workers). The solution to the problems of the scientific and technical level at the moment on Open Sourse is not implemented anywhere.
      You can transplant the French Parliament on Linux. You can arrange the implementation of Alfresco at German airports. But to create a single IT object (say a tanker) so that nothing hangs when approaching and each bolt comes out with a bunch of characteristics in real time on Open Sourse for now.

      PS maybe I'm wrong. Please write where there is at least something implemented and working, and not a promise, give us money for development and we will give the result in 10 years
      1. xtur
        xtur 8 June 2016 01: 52
        0
        > Solving problems of a scientific and technical level is currently not implemented anywhere at the Open Sourse.

        we design on Linux, and our CAD tools also under Linux.

        so I don’t understand what you are talking about
        1. tuts
          tuts 9 June 2016 18: 17
          0
          What CAD system do you use in production?
  16. 1st_user
    1st_user 7 June 2016 19: 10
    -3
    In short, the transition from one "bourgeois" OS to another. And of course it's not destiny to create your own ...
    By the way, one could deeply give a damn about the fact that MelkoSoft patented "windows" and create an impudent clone of Windows. It would be at the same time a little bit in the direction of the West, and an OS without tabs is always available. am
  17. Irokez
    Irokez 7 June 2016 19: 12
    0
    Quote: Specter

    Could you formulate how many computers in the entire structure of Russian Helicopters are used with the "design CAD system"? For some reason it seems to me that it is less than 10%, but rather even in the region of 1%. And hence another question for you - do you need to cancel the transfer of the remaining 90% + computers because of this?

    I will say so. CAD systems for design are the basis, and if they stand at a lower percentage of computers, then at least in the most critical areas. In addition, there are not only CAD but also other technological subsystems with this CAD work or go connected such as technology, optimization, calculations, CNC and so on which are most necessary in production.
    But other users such as managers, buzgalteriya, the secretariat and surfers on the Internet can generally work on free software and there will be a majority of such computers in the enterprise. Further, all sorts of video-audio-media programs and advertisers can sit on Windows with bitten Yaboks, there is a tiny percentage of these specialists with their super computers.
    In addition, if you can run a virtual machine on Linux, then almost any Windows program will really work not so quickly and with brakes. Everything is decided - there would be a will.
  18. demiurg
    demiurg 7 June 2016 19: 26
    -1
    Quote: Specter
    Quote: demiurg
    Small after the failure of the millennium covered in bugs like a hedgehog with needles, they hired John Carmack. Which with his team and built a very good wine xp.

    Doesn’t it bother you that WinME is the same 98SE with a new theme and a couple of features that can be easily turned off, but XP is a little modified 2000, which is the NT line? I don’t understand how it all mixed up in your head, but if John Carmack stuck it all together, then of course the questions disappear. :)



    By and large, linoleum from 98 was distinguished by its support and design.
    XP although built on NT differ from 2k, and very much.
    And for the sake of general erudition, read about the role of Carmack in creating WIN XP. hi
  19. balabol
    balabol 7 June 2016 19: 58
    +3
    The post is, unfortunately, empty and populist. Only provoked the audience. Firstly, no one ever uses it on systems with confidential information, not to mention the Secret level and above Windows out of the box, bought in a store, or downloaded from the manufacturer's website. A version certified by FSB and FSTEC is used. Buy, install and run this OS is another story. Secondly, no one will allow, if we are talking about secret information, just install Linux. Again, there are certified operating systems with the Linux kernel, "doped" by domestic manufacturers, for example Zarya and Rosa, and a number of others. BUT! Their functionality is far from the capabilities of Windows. They are sharpened for specific narrow tasks of working with special software and equipment. We all understand that applications are the main thing in this world of software. There isn't a wide range of professional Linux applications, and there won't be. We do not have such resources, either financial or human. Compare the entire world of Windows writing for decades and our capabilities. The resources allow you to create only specialized, critical applications that affect the security of the country. You have to live in the real world, assess opportunities, prospects and possible risks.
    1. mav1971
      mav1971 7 June 2016 21: 53
      -1
      Not by "nick" is reasonable. A plus.
  20. Sergey333
    Sergey333 7 June 2016 20: 55
    0
    Shamefarers, having thousands of the best programmers in the world, cannot organize work on developing their operating system am
    1. Greenwood
      Greenwood 8 June 2016 06: 25
      0
      This is not a matter of one year. Windows to its current level has evolved over 20 years, while the money for development did not spare. We do not have suitable conditions for creating something similar, and third-party developers are unlikely to wish to cut their products under the new OS. For good thinking about your OS it was worth starting in the late 80s, when the software market was just beginning to develop and was not a monopoly of Microsoft.
  21. RedBaron
    RedBaron 7 June 2016 21: 45
    -2
    and are these people still joking about f35? laughing there the software is completely written in C with a modular structure.
  22. Alex_Tug
    Alex_Tug 7 June 2016 22: 10
    -1
    Sounds like an April Fool's joke. In fact, software for "Russian helicopters" should be engineering design systems, configuration management systems, document management systems, production management systems and all sorts of gadgets like MATLAB, and so on. etc. Here we changed the "windows" to "Linux" and import substitution. So be it put "windows" on virtual systems so that everything "NECESSARY" works.
    1. Alex_Tug
      Alex_Tug 7 June 2016 22: 37
      +2
      Import substituted. "Windows" for Linux. Is Crimea ours?
  23. TsUS-Air Force
    TsUS-Air Force 7 June 2016 22: 29
    0
    no, well, how many years before they lived and worked with pieces of iron, and now they are all electronic. and so often wants to ask a question, maybe a piece of iron is more reliable, huh?
  24. Spectre
    Spectre 7 June 2016 22: 35
    +1
    Quote: demiurg
    Quote: Specter
    Quote: demiurg
    Small after the failure of the millennium covered in bugs like a hedgehog with needles, they hired John Carmack. Which with his team and built a very good wine xp.

    Doesn’t it bother you that WinME is the same 98SE with a new theme and a couple of features that can be easily turned off, but XP is a little modified 2000, which is the NT line? I don’t understand how it all mixed up in your head, but if John Carmack stuck it all together, then of course the questions disappear. :)



    By and large, linoleum from 98 was distinguished by its support and design.
    XP although built on NT differ from 2k, and very much.
    And for the sake of general erudition, read about the role of Carmack in creating WIN XP. hi


    I write from memory, I can be mistaken, but I remember well that USB support was added in some kind of service pack for the 95th Windows, like in the second.

    And the NT-line, it was completely different, created from scratch and existed parallel to 9x. Actually, it stands for New Technology. And if 2000 and XP tried it live (and I’m sure I didn’t try it), we would notice how few differences there are between them. The most noticeable is the support for themes. Even the kernel numbering shows 5.0 in the 2000th and 5.1 in XP.

    And about Carmack, you’ll forgive me, but this is more like a joke. With the same success, Linus Torvald could bring them pizza;)
  25. bibobo
    bibobo 7 June 2016 23: 08
    +1
    The main thing is not for Windows 10
  26. Makarov
    Makarov 7 June 2016 23: 53
    0
    It is high time. If you give sensible guys to dig deeper into it, then you can create something extremely protected and reliable ...
  27. R-22
    R-22 8 June 2016 00: 11
    +2
    Well done! We were cunningly hooked in the 90s-2000s (not without the help of venalous Herods in power) on Windows, however, how they sat down on it so quietly and got down, and what can they do, people will not be able to work on other systems so they can start teaching at school more high-quality and comprehensive computer literacy, and for people in production to organize courses on domestic software, if only it would be our domestic, efficient and high-quality, keeping up with the times.
    1. EvilLion
      EvilLion 8 June 2016 08: 20
      -1
      You, damn it, are smart like that, the skull does not press? Is it okay that thanks to Windows specifically you can use the works of Western programmers? And what analogue do you propose for the mid to late 90s? Imported OS / 2? Despite the fact that the production of computers in itself in the late USSR was practically absent, there was "Search" there as an attempt to create an IBM-compatible machine, "Kronos" could be interesting, but who needs it, when already 286 \ 386 appeared in principle. They began to copy the Americans a long time ago, and precisely for the sake of software, purchased or stolen, but already ready, and they sat down heavily on the element base. And unification would equalize everything sooner or later. The question of launching a thread of Doom would solve more than any decrees or ordinances.
  28. Wayna qhapaq
    Wayna qhapaq 8 June 2016 05: 49
    -1
    Windows will be used for a very long time in industrial automation. In programming PLCs and operator panels, 99,9% of development environments (ours and bourgeois ones) are under Windows. If you delve into the topic, it turns out that the vast majority of control systems at important industrial facilities are assembled on Siemens, Fanuc, Omron, Schneider, etc. This is depressing.
  29. EvilLion
    EvilLion 8 June 2016 08: 14
    -2
    Thank you, I neighing, the problem is that Windows was still made for people, and Linux for those who are ready to delve into it.
    I wish you good luck in making hundreds of thousands of aunts work on something obscure.
    1. tux
      tux 8 June 2016 08: 30
      +1
      Quote: EvilLion
      I wish you good luck in making hundreds of thousands of aunts work on something obscure.

      Now there’s a crisis, sanctions — they will want to work and get paid. Otherwise, there are always ready to learn. Have you learned to use tablets? Learned! And there is never Windows. Yes, and with windows with each new version you need to relearn. Especially in the case of Windows 8, radically different from its predecessors, and 10 and even more so. Set aside 10 user with windows xp and it will not care windows in front of him or linux. They will call him the same stupor. And yes, the office interfaces from Microsoft also have a different interface, which you need to learn. Do not be lazy, compare versions from 2003 to 2016.
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  31. Glaaki
    Glaaki 8 June 2016 11: 19
    +1
    We need to switch to BolgenOS. With boring wallpapers. Bgg ...