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Klimkin: the participation of Russians in the armed police mission in the Donbass - "this is a complete abstraction"

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Kiev does not allow the participation of Russians in the OSCE police mission in the Donbass, reports RIA News statement by the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry Pavel Klimkin.



Earlier, the press service of Poroshenko reported that "participants in the telephone conversations of the" Norman format "(Russia, Germany, France, Ukraine) at the highest level expressed support for the deployment of the OSCE police mission in Donbas and the start of consultations on this issue."

In turn, the Russian Foreign Ministry explained that the heads of the “Norman Four” do not discuss the creation of a police mission, we are talking about personal arming weapons only part of the OSCE monitors involved in the Donbass. The issue has not yet been resolved, and in its consideration the opinion of the self-proclaimed republics will be taken into account.

“According to the representation of countries (in the mission). Well, of course, unfortunately, in our OSCE decisions are taken by consensus. We need to take into account the positions of all countries. We will strive to ensure that the mission was as efficient as possible. Of course, to imagine that Russian armed representatives were on the territory of Ukraine is a complete abstraction ",
said Klimkin on the ICTV channel.

According to him, "countries that have expressed such readiness should participate in the mission." At the same time, Klimkin did not specify which countries he was talking about.

At the same time, he noted that "Ukraine has a common position on the organization of an armed mission in the Donbass with Germany and France."
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  1. Dave36
    Dave36 7 June 2016 12: 10
    +25
    I'm surprised ... how the Russian land gives birth to such freaks as Klimkin ... Oh, the Kursk land ...
    1. Spitfire
      Spitfire 7 June 2016 12: 14
      +8
      Quote: Dave36
      I'm surprised ... how the Russian land gives birth to such freaks as Klimkin ... Oh, the Kursk land ...


      If for them Crimea is Ukraine, for Klimkin "complete abstraction" has been operating for two years now ;-)
      1. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 June 2016 12: 25
        +8
        Klimkin: the participation of Russians in the armed police mission in the Donbass - "this is a complete abstraction"

        Klimkin is wedging again?
        What other police mission? No one made any decisions on this topic. Klimkin, get out of the cramp! lol
        1. weksha50
          weksha50 7 June 2016 12: 39
          +6
          Quote: GSH-18
          What other police mission? No one made any decisions on this topic.



          Zakharchenko said unequivocally that he would not allow this mission to come to him ... And Lavrov said that "it may be possible," but (!!!) with the mutual consent of the parties ... That is, Kiev, Lugansk, Donetsk ...
          1. Tatyana
            Tatyana 7 June 2016 13: 24
            +5
            Klimkin: "Ukraine has a common position on the organization of an armed mission in Donbass with Germany and France."

            And Merkel and Hollande are the creatures of the United States! And Klimkkin himself is from that same lousy, greasy deck of American henchmen. What the United States will order, then this maydanuty Bandera fascist Klimkin will voice!
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            2. Tatyana
              Tatyana 7 June 2016 16: 13
              +1
              It is noteworthy that when Klimkin says that
              of course, to imagine that Russian armed representatives were on the territory of Ukraine is a complete ABSTRACTION ",
              and if at the same time know the true FINAL specific goal of the United States in Ukraine, then Klimkin in his statement about "ABSTRACTION" will not be far from the truth hidden from everyone. Namely.
              Hillary Clinton, running for the presidency of the United States, revealed a secret: “The USA considers the territory of Ukraine as a place to move” She stated:
              The United States cannot ignore the significant deterioration in the geophysical situation in the Yellowstone National Park and the San Andreas Fault, which could be disastrous for North America and jeopardize its very existence.
              According to Mrs. Clinton, there is very little time left to preserve the independence and further prosperity of the United States, and therefore it is necessary to more decisively and consistently consider the issue of transferring American statehood to European territory. The main option for such a resettlement should be considered the territory of Ukraine, the climatic conditions of which are most favorable for American citizens, however, due to the confluence of certain circumstances, the solution to this issue is in jeopardy.
              “We must not abandon this territory, as the most favorable for a global American move, because of the position of Russia and will continue to coordinate international pressure to return Crimea to a single territorial space as of February 2014. In addition, it is necessary to carry out preliminary work on the inclusion into the future European United States territories of several Eastern European states - Poland, Hungary, Romania and the Baltic countries. Thus, we will be able to expand the necessary living space so as not to feel cramped and have the prospect of further industrial and economic development, ”Clinton said.

              On the question of the future of the citizens of the countries indicated to her, Hillary Clinton noted that ... the residents of these territories will be happy to have the opportunity to become citizens of the new European United States, but not everyone will have such an opportunity and some will be settled in the Middle East and Africa, since this is, unfortunately, an inevitable process in geopolitical changes, where strong countries occupy the vitally important territory of weak and unpromising states, which, as history shows, cease to exist.
              At the same time, Clinton emphasized that
              The European United States will be able to adequately replace these NON-STATE MISUSE on the European platform.

              See - http://my-disain.ru/khillari-klinton-ssha-rassmatrivayut-territoriyu-ukrainy-kak

              -mesto-dlya-pereezda /? utm_campaign = transit & utm_source = mirtesen & utm_medium = news & f


              rom = mirtesen
        2. epsilon571
          epsilon571 7 June 2016 12: 41
          0
          GS-18 (1) EU Today, 12: 25
          Klimkin is wedging again?


          As for Klimkin, he is an enemy and everything is clear with him, but Lukashenka must be dealt with. Reading news from this "hmyr", or rather from his office, I would just like to spit on his bald head:

          "... Why Old Man Crimea did not recognize

          Another scandal is being fanned in Belarusian-Russian relations. This time in connection with the quite consistent and pragmatic position of the President of Belarus in Crimea

          Partner, not ally
          The scandal was caused by an incident in the Belarusian city of Mogilev. There were sold globes produced in Poland, on which Crimea is depicted as part of the Russian Federation. After a request from the deputy chairman of the Belarusian Social Democratic Party "Gromada" Igor Borisov, the Mogilev regional executive committee removed them from the shelves. And henceforth he recommended "to avoid selling political maps of the world and globes on which the territorial affiliation of Crimea differs from that generally recognized in the world."

          The topic stirred up the Russian media community. However, instead of discussing a really interesting discrepancy between the interests of Polish businessmen and Polish politicians (who, we recall, fully support the current Kiev authorities and their misconceptions regarding the status of Crimea), commentators focused on criticizing Mogilev’s decision, as well as Minsk’s position. Some even positioned the removal of the globes as another proof of the betrayal of the Old Man, who did not recognize Crimea, as before South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Others found in this step some evidence of Lukashenko’s turn to the West, which not so long ago lifted sanctions from Belarus and thereby invited her to rapprochement. However, for those who follow the Ukrainian events and Russian-Belarusian relations, no sensation has occurred. And betrayal too.

          Belarus is Russia's closest partner in the post-Soviet space. The countries are part of the Eurasian Union and even formed the Union State, which, albeit with a creak, but functions. However, this partnership does not mean that Minsk is completely linking its policy to Moscow. As the Russian political scientist Fyodor Lukyanov correctly noted in a recent interview with Expert Online, "the modern world is unfavorable for classical alliances, where everyone is tied in blood." Due to geographical (being between Russia and Europe), political (the importance of Belarus as the only Russian window to the West, the last link for creating an anti-Russian cordon sanitaire from the Baltic to Moldova) and economic (Belarus actively trades with Europe), Minsk is simply trying to pursue a multi-vector policy. But at the same time, Alexander Lukashenko at the end of 2014 clearly stated to the correspondent of Expert Online that in the most important issues Belarus "will stand back to back with Russia." Neither Crimea, let alone South Ossetia and Abkhazia, are such important issues by definition. So there is no need to sacrifice for them the multi-vector ... "
          (more details in XLUMX ONLINE EXPERT)
          http://expert.ru/2016/06/6/globus/?ny&utm_source=rnews
          1. Dry_T-50
            Dry_T-50 7 June 2016 13: 01
            -5
            Quote: epsilon571
            GS-18 (1) EU Today, 12: 25
            Klimkin is wedging again?


            As for Klimkin, he is an enemy and everything is clear with him, but Lukashenka must be dealt with. Reading news from this "hmyr", or rather from his office, I would just like to spit on his bald head:

            "... Why Old Man Crimea did not recognize

            Another scandal is being fanned in Belarusian-Russian relations. This time in connection with the quite consistent and pragmatic position of the President of Belarus in Crimea

            Partner, not ally
            The scandal was caused by an incident in the Belarusian city of Mogilev. There were sold globes produced in Poland, on which Crimea is depicted as part of the Russian Federation. After a request from the deputy chairman of the Belarusian Social Democratic Party "Gromada" Igor Borisov, the Mogilev regional executive committee removed them from the shelves. And henceforth he recommended "to avoid selling political maps of the world and globes on which the territorial affiliation of Crimea differs from that generally recognized in the world."

            The topic stirred up the Russian media community. However, instead of discussing a really interesting discrepancy between the interests of Polish businessmen and Polish politicians (who, we recall, fully support the current Kiev authorities and their misconceptions regarding the status of Crimea), commentators focused on criticizing Mogilev’s decision, as well as Minsk’s position. Some even positioned the removal of the globes as another proof of the betrayal of the Old Man, who did not recognize Crimea, as before South Ossetia and Abkhazia. Others found in this step some evidence of Lukashenko’s turn to the West, which not so long ago lifted sanctions from Belarus and thereby invited her to rapprochement. However, for those who follow the Ukrainian events and Russian-Belarusian relations, no sensation has occurred. And betrayal too.

            Belarus is Russia's closest partner in the post-Soviet space. The countries are part of the Eurasian Union and even formed the Union State, which, albeit with a creak, but functions. However, this partnership does not mean that Minsk is completely linking its policy to Moscow. As the Russian political scientist Fyodor Lukyanov correctly noted in a recent interview with Expert Online, "the modern world is unfavorable for classical alliances, where everyone is tied in blood." Due to geographical (being between Russia and Europe), political (the importance of Belarus as the only Russian window to the West, the last link for creating an anti-Russian cordon sanitaire from the Baltic to Moldova) and economic (Belarus actively trades with Europe), Minsk is simply trying to pursue a multi-vector policy. But at the same time, Alexander Lukashenko at the end of 2014 clearly stated to the correspondent of Expert Online that in the most important issues Belarus "will stand back to back with Russia." Neither Crimea, let alone South Ossetia and Abkhazia, are such important issues by definition. So there is no need to sacrifice for them the multi-vector ... "
            (more details in XLUMX ONLINE EXPERT)
            http://expert.ru/2016/06/6/globus/?ny&utm_source=rnews

            Voting 27 March 2014 at the UN General Assembly on the recognition of the illegality of the Crimean referendum 2014
            https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/3/30/UN_Resolution_regardin
            g_the_territorial_integrity_of_Ukraine_red.svg / 300px-UN_Resolution_regarding_the
            _territorial_integrity_of_Ukraine_red.svg.png
          2. Stirbjorn
            Stirbjorn 7 June 2016 13: 22
            +1
            Quote: epsilon571
            As for Klimkin, he is an enemy and everything is clear with him, but Lukashenka must be dealt with.
            And what about dad? We won Gref did not recognize Crimea, the largest bank in Russia (Sberbank) has not yet opened a single representative office there. Like other big smaller companies. Or Kiselev recently blurted out about "back to Russia" after the news about Crimea. So Belarusians can reasonably object to all reproaches
            1. GSH-18
              GSH-18 7 June 2016 13: 31
              +1
              Quote: Stirbjorn
              the largest bank in Russia (Sberbank) has not yet opened a single representative office there

              But he did not close the existing ones either! Damn politics!
          3. GSH-18
            GSH-18 7 June 2016 13: 22
            +1
            Quote: epsilon571
            However, for those who follow the events in Ukraine and Russian-Belarusian relations, no sensation has occurred. And betrayal too.

            About how! wassat
            Belarus is the closest partner Russia in the post-Soviet space.

            That's exactly what partner. Union State But we need to get more nishtyaks from Russia! South Ossetia, Abkhazia are not recognized by them, as separate from all the republics. And now, you see, he sees no reason to recognize Crimea as Russian! The majority of Belarusians have already recognized, but But Father does not hum, does not calve. fool What the fuck is this ??? Let him go to Crimea, or should he be taken there? angry
        3. self-propelled
          self-propelled 7 June 2016 12: 55
          +2
          Quote: GSH-18
          What other police mission?

          just about me too. why blind (in this case, the OSCE) gun? request
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        5. ltc22A
          ltc22A 7 June 2016 14: 36
          0
          Quote: GSH-18
          Klimkin: the participation of Russians in the armed police mission in the Donbass - "this is a complete abstraction"

          Klimkin is wedging again?
          What other police mission? No one made any decisions on this topic. Klimkin, get out of the cramp! lol

          It has long been sent to the VR of Ukraine reinforced mission of psychiatrists.
          Because they hear what no one said, they see what is not there (Russian troops in Ukraine). Money disappears no one knows where. They smoke and drink anything. Etc. Soon others will be attacked.
    2. Alexey-74
      Alexey-74 7 June 2016 12: 17
      +1
      Changes are nothing more. Complete abstraction is generally the existence of the current regime in Ukraine
      1. Cheshire
        Cheshire 7 June 2016 12: 39
        +1
        Let it crow while there is something.
    3. techie
      techie 7 June 2016 12: 17
      +6
      Kiev does not allow the possibility of the participation of Russians in the OSCE police mission in the Donbass, RIA Novosti reports the statement by the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry Pavel Klimkin.

      Actually, Klimkin somewhat confused the role of Kiev in this process. Kiev is the side TO WHICH the OSCE police force is assigned (i.e. to watch over the violent). When did the psychic manage their treatment? Only in his sore imagination, apparently ..
      1. poquello
        poquello 7 June 2016 12: 36
        +2
        Quote: techie
        Kiev does not allow the possibility of the participation of Russians in the OSCE police mission in the Donbass, RIA Novosti reports the statement by the head of the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry Pavel Klimkin.

        Actually, Klimkin somewhat confused the role of Kiev in this process. Kiev is the side TO WHICH the OSCE police force is assigned (i.e. to watch over the violent). When did the psychic manage their treatment? Only in his sore imagination, apparently ..

        it is the OSCE that is hardly credible
      2. GSH-18
        GSH-18 7 June 2016 13: 34
        +1
        Quote: techie
        Actually, Klimkin somewhat confused the role of Kiev in this process. Kiev is the side that the OSCE police force is assigned to (i.e. keeping an eye on the violent)

        Everything is mixed up in the ukrodurdom lol ...
    4. navigator
      navigator 7 June 2016 12: 50
      0
      Quote: Dave36
      I'm surprised ... how the Russian land gives birth to such freaks as Klimkin ... Oh, the Kursk land ...


      The land is Russian, and Klim Chugunkin is a Mordvin by nationality, in fact. There is such a thing in Kursk and Ulan-Ude. And he lives in Durkain, consumes a secret dill-herb. Before the Minister of Foreign Affairs he was under-used by the state.
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    6. Furious bambr
      Furious bambr 7 June 2016 13: 03
      +1
      Yes, something has been wrong with our land recently ... Even potatoes grow poorly after the good that has grown and left for / to Ukraine request
  2. vladimirvn
    vladimirvn 7 June 2016 12: 11
    +5
    Complete abstraction, Mr. Klimkin, is your destruction of your people.
    1. sever.56
      sever.56 7 June 2016 12: 29
      +2
      Quote: vladimirvn
      Complete abstraction, Mr. Klimkin, is your destruction of your people.

      Sorry, but you're wrong.
      The destruction of their own, as they believe, people is not an abstraction, but a terrible reality.
      He doesn't even understand the concept of the word "abstraction". In a word - Chugun Klimkin.
      1. weksha50
        weksha50 7 June 2016 12: 41
        +3
        Quote: sever.56
        He doesn't even understand the concept of the word "abstraction". In a word - Chugun Klimkin.



        Judging by the level of his intellect and the "aphorisms" he utters, his name is not "Pig-iron", but "Pig-iron" ...
  3. cniza
    cniza 7 June 2016 12: 11
    +6
    At the same time, he noted that "Ukraine has a common position on the organization of an armed mission in the Donbass with Germany and France."


    Gives wishful thinking, so now lies are called according to Chugunkin.
    1. edeligor
      edeligor 7 June 2016 12: 31
      +1
      Quote: cniza
      called by Chugunkin.

      Klim Chugunkin, bu ha ha!
  4. avg
    avg 7 June 2016 12: 11
    +3
    Klimkin: the participation of Russians in the armed police mission in the Donbass - "this is a complete abstraction"

    “Full abstraction” is the participation of regular units of the RF Armed Forces in the battles in the Donbass.
    Another "complete abstraction" is the Ukrainian Foreign Ministry headed by Klimkin. However, like the "Square" itself
  5. Crucian
    Crucian 7 June 2016 12: 12
    +1
    They also need to arm these OSCE swindlers for some reason ... And so they work on the junta against the inhabitants of Donbass ...
  6. Air defense SSH
    Air defense SSH 7 June 2016 12: 16
    +1
    Only the forces of Kazakhstan and Belarus, if not Russia, I think Donbas will not accept others ... I think few people care about the Ukrainians - they are the losing side ...
  7. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 7 June 2016 12: 18
    +4
    not long left to endure this Bandera.
  8. Vladimir61
    Vladimir61 7 June 2016 12: 26
    +4
    I do not understand, "what, who and where" should discuss what concerns the people living in the LPR? There is not a word in the complex of measures provided for by the Minsk agreements about the introduction of a peacekeeping mission in Donbass!
    The heads of the DPR (Zakharchenko) and LPR (Plotnitsky) said that the People’s Republics are opposed to the deployment of an OSCE armed police mission in Donbass and will perceive it as aggression! No one has the right to decide for US, NO ONE!
  9. gelezo47
    gelezo47 7 June 2016 12: 29
    +1
    It looks like a comrade is in the abstract world ...
  10. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 7 June 2016 12: 30
    +4
    A complete abstraction is a bunch of insane, posing as the government of Ukraine.
  11. Donlomakin
    Donlomakin 7 June 2016 12: 30
    +2
    Kiev does not allow the possibility of the participation of Russians in the OSCE police mission in Donbass
    And he wants to introduce NATO soldiers to New Russia.
  12. semuil
    semuil 7 June 2016 12: 32
    +3
    "Ukraine has a common position on organizing an armed mission in the Donbass with Germany and France."
    Is he talking about Napoleon and Hitler?
  13. ARES623
    ARES623 7 June 2016 12: 34
    +2
    An abstraction can be called the desire of the current self-proclaimed authorities of Ukraine to keep the occupied territory within the borders of the Ukrainian SSR by force using nationalists and other bandits as a striking force.
  14. Yak-15
    Yak-15 7 June 2016 12: 35
    +1
    I am surprised at you Chugunkin. Well, what can you do, a fool shirking, against Russia? If even the miners and sellers could not cope.
  15. weksha50
    weksha50 7 June 2016 12: 35
    +3
    "Klimkin: the participation of Russians in the armed police mission in the Donbass - "this is a complete abstraction""...

    This morning, Ukraine asked Russia again to sell gas, which it refused to buy since November 2015 ...

    Apparently, the purchase of reverse gas turned out to be an "abstract" override over Russia ...

    So this "abstraction" must be continued - not to sell them a single cubic meter of gas ...

    To learn a stump with words is no good, but in deed (fell-wrung out) - that’s it ...
    1. Stirbjorn
      Stirbjorn 7 June 2016 13: 25
      +2
      Quote: weksha50
      So this "abstraction" must be continued - not to sell them a single cubic meter of gas ...

      Miller will sell, don't even doubt it
  16. Diesel 72
    Diesel 72 7 June 2016 12: 38
    +2
    Klimkin is not, he is an unpleasant minority, there is a lot of such rot. Two idiot: Klimkin and Kasyanoyev
  17. Pinkie F.
    Pinkie F. 7 June 2016 12: 38
    +3
    Let me rephrase the classic:
    "Sharikov thought about it and added a word that Bormental mechanically noted in his brain as new:" Abstraction.
  18. Denis Skiff
    Denis Skiff 7 June 2016 13: 00
    +1
    give these blind weapons and thereby increase the death toll from these?
    Or do they need personal farting, so that with mortar calculations and artillerymen of the Ukrainian fascists compete in accuracy? Or are these BLIND going to shoot back during artillery raids?
    They are blind!
    Let your eyes cherish.
    The stakes are ready.
    Let these BLIND from the OSCE be on an equal footing with children, old men and women, whose shelling by the Nazis These pilidurists do not notice!
    Nitsche, tears will pour out. Both obs and NATA will answer and Europe will get cancer.
  19. novobranets
    novobranets 7 June 2016 13: 04
    +1
    The fact that menopause is fluttering there, I can understand, he needs to work out the soldering. That’s why I don’t understand why the OSCE need guns. With Bandera they are sticky friends, in Novorossia nobody will get their hands dirty. Why do they need weapons, from whom to defend themselves, from old women in broken villages?
  20. Prisoner
    Prisoner 7 June 2016 13: 08
    +1
    This is Klimkin’s participation in the negotiations, abstraction and complete absurdity. Although he can bring coffee.
  21. 96423lom
    96423lom 7 June 2016 13: 21
    +1
    Abstraction is typical for them.
  22. atamankko
    atamankko 7 June 2016 13: 33
    +2
    I live in Kursk, people are normal, and geeks,
    like Klimkin, everywhere there is, then they are geeks.
  23. Ros 56
    Ros 56 7 June 2016 13: 35
    +2
    This imperfection Klimkin seriously believes that without the Russians there, at all, someone can go in. Well, moron, then you need to move your brains. Or does he really consider himself a minister, let this whole mess end, they will not be allowed to enter a decent house with a Giblet.
  24. Lelek
    Lelek 7 June 2016 17: 27
    +1
    (Well, of course, in our OSCE decisions are made, unfortunately, by consensus.)

    Do you have an OSCE ??? Pavlik (almost Morozov), wake up! You're not in the OSCE, but in the ass called the former Ukraine. stop bully
  25. dvg1959
    dvg1959 7 June 2016 22: 12
    0
    Everyone understands that without the participation of Russia, the mission will not be objective and not effective.
    The presence of Russian representatives will complicate the distortion of information about ongoing events in the Donbas and Ukraine.
  26. Gunxnumx
    Gunxnumx 8 June 2016 06: 21
    0
    "In our OSCE" laughing