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State Duma deputy: military departments will be abolished in parts of higher educational institutions

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The Ministry of Defense will abolish military departments in those universities that train unclaimed specialists in the armed forces, according to News With reference to the deputy chairman of the Duma defense committee Sergei Zhigarev.

State Duma deputy: military departments will be abolished in parts of higher educational institutions


According to the deputy, the corresponding bill has already been developed in the military department.

“The army is changing technically, modern military equipment is coming in, and we need trained people who can handle it. It makes no sense to train specialists in the military departments who receive, for example, an agricultural specialty ",
he noted.

In addition, technical universities plan serious reworking of the military training program.

“Such educational institutions as Bauman will be issued an order for those specialists that are needed by the Ministry of Defense. With them, perhaps, the military department will sign contracts. Accordingly, higher education institutions will have to make amendments to the work plans of their military departments so as not to waste time on drill or military training to the extent that they are not needed, ”said the deputy.

He also noted that the closure of military departments will be conducted systematically: "those who are now enrolled will be given a graduation from the institute, and university graduates who have been admitted after the abolition of the military training department will be recruited into the army as privates."
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  1. evil partisan
    evil partisan 7 June 2016 10: 49
    +18
    Or is it better to leave the military departments and prepare the REQUIRED specialists?
    1. Stalker.1977
      Stalker.1977 7 June 2016 11: 02
      +8
      If only it didn’t work out like under Serdyukov, so many military universities have closed the nightmare, we have 2 schools in Kazan combined artukha and tank, now they are sitting on the tank’s base, the art town went all under the cut, it’s sad however.
      1. Homo
        Homo 7 June 2016 11: 22
        +6
        Quote: Stalker.1977
        If only it didn’t work out as under Serdyukov

        And again the old song "about nothing". It's about civilian universities, not military ones. Have you seen a lot of successful officers who came from "civilian"?
        1. Hon
          Hon 7 June 2016 11: 25
          +4
          Quote: Homo
          And again the old song "about nothing". It's about civilian universities, not military ones. Have you seen a lot of successful officers who came from "civilian"?

          Serdyukov, successfully takes bread places
          1. volot-voin
            volot-voin 7 June 2016 11: 52
            +7
            Quote: Hon
            Serdyukov, successfully takes bread places

            Quote: Hon
            Have you seen a lot of successful officers who came from "civilian"?

            The solution is extremely malicious and invented by pests within the country.
            Quote: Stalker.1977
            we like to chop under the root

            I can’t argue with you, exactly.
            Quote: cap
            If only it didn’t work out as under Serdyukov

            Will definitely work out.
            Quote: cap
            From the "jacket" in the uniform of an officer, without technical training, there was no sense and will not be.

            Watching what kind of jacket, history showed that both corporal marshals and commanders-in-chief came out and were not always bad. For example, from the era of the civil war. And here are often valuable technical experts, engineers. Maybe of course an officer is much worse from a jacket than from a specialized military university, but the military department gives general concepts. However, much depends on the person, the person being trained.
            1. Hon
              Hon 7 June 2016 12: 02
              +1
              Quote: volot-voin
              Watching what kind of jacket, history showed that both corporal marshals and commanders-in-chief came out and were not always bad.

              Corporal is a senior soldier, not a lieutenant without a military education.
        2. Stalker.1977
          Stalker.1977 7 June 2016 11: 30
          +2
          There are even acquaintances, that’s not the point, we like to chop under the root, and then clutch our heads, I’m not writing that the step is not right, it’s a completely different story.
        3. cap
          cap 7 June 2016 11: 33
          +3
          Quote: Homo
          Quote: Stalker.1977
          If only it didn’t work out as under Serdyukov

          And again the old song "about nothing". It's about civilian universities, not military ones. Have you seen a lot of successful officers who came from "civilian"?


          The decision not to assign non-core specialties to officer ranks is absolutely correct.
          From the "jacket" in the uniform of an officer, without technical training, there was no sense and will not be.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 36
            +6
            Quote: cap
            From the "jacket" in the uniform of an officer, without technical training, there was no sense and will not be.

            Army General Anatoly Kvashnin, chief of the General Staff 1997-2004, graduated from the military department.
            Hero of Russia, Doctor of Military Sciences, Candidate of Sociology, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences
            1. Hon
              Hon 7 June 2016 11: 48
              +3
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              Army General Anatoly Kvashnin, chief of the General Staff 1997-2004, graduated from the military department.
              Hero of Russia, Doctor of Military Sciences, Candidate of Sociology, Corresponding Member of the Russian Academy of Missile and Artillery Sciences

              only Kvashin continued his military career, and after a civilian university graduated from a military
              1. Lt. Air Force stock
                Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 12: 01
                +1
                Quote: Hon
                only Kvashin continued his military career, and after a civilian university graduated from a military

                Only now, after graduating from this academy in 1976, he was appointed chief of staff - deputy commander of a tank regiment. And it is unlikely that he studied there being already in the rank as the other cadets, most likely finished externally.
          2. evil partisan
            evil partisan 7 June 2016 11: 48
            +4
            Quote: cap
            From the "jacket" in the uniform of an officer, without technical training, there was no sense and will not be.

            And if he is a doctor or a financier? wink
            or a lawyer ... repeat What about a psychologist? winked
            1. Lt. Air Force stock
              Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 53
              +6
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              And if he is a doctor or a financier?
              or a lawyer ... A psychologist?

              Exactly, many here think that an officer who graduates from a military department should be a military officer and lead soldiers into battle, but there are no military tasks in the army that a person in uniform should carry out.
              1. Hon
                Hon 7 June 2016 12: 06
                -1
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                Exactly, many here think that an officer who graduates from a military department should be a military officer and lead soldiers into battle, but there are no military tasks in the army that a person in uniform should carry out.

                they are performed by people who graduated from specialized military universities
              2. Leto
                Leto 7 June 2016 12: 55
                0
                Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                Exactly, many here think that an officer who graduates from a military department should be a military officer and lead soldiers into battle, but there are no military tasks in the army that a person in uniform should carry out.

                I had a platoon jacket, with a capital H, but not a man, but three letters. He closed himself off from all the office and cried bitterly, "Well, when will all this end!" Well, clearly not a "servant to the king, father to soldiers" ...
              3. Amurets
                Amurets 7 June 2016 15: 02
                +3
                Quote: Hon
                they are performed by people who graduated from specialized military universities

                And we still have technical schools that train professional specialists in the maintenance and repair of weapons and military equipment? I can honestly say that I very often had to help with the search and elimination of problems that seemed simplest to us, civilian specialists, but difficult for officers to graduate from military universities.
            2. Hon
              Hon 7 June 2016 12: 05
              +3
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              And if he is a doctor

              physicians are just useful, because everyone is liable for military service. but the financier? There are specialized military universities. Or do you think a situation is possible when, due to heavy losses, there will be an acute shortage of financiers in the troops?
              1. evil partisan
                evil partisan 7 June 2016 12: 09
                +1
                Quote: Hon
                Or do you think a situation is possible when, due to heavy losses, there will be an acute shortage of financiers in the troops?

                even without heavy losses, a similar situation arises all the time. our finances at EVACU were led by Major Menkin - from purely civilian, practically non-combatant sad ... staff members from the Moscow Region were sent to the post of the chief financial officer of the school, but in the end they still chose him ...
              2. reservist
                reservist 7 June 2016 12: 09
                +1
                Quote: Hon
                Or do you think a situation is possible when, due to heavy losses, there will be an acute shortage of financiers in the troops?

                if all the thieves will be identified in penal battles ...
            3. atalef
              atalef 7 June 2016 17: 38
              +1
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              And if he is a doctor or a financier?
              or a lawyer ... A psychologist?

              or vet wink
              How are the partisans there? not wild yet?
              1. evil partisan
                evil partisan 7 June 2016 18: 58
                0
                Quote: atalef
                How are the partisans there? not wild yet?

                Thanks to the vets, no. yes
                Hello, suffering without veterinary care!drinks
                1. atalef
                  atalef 8 June 2016 09: 43
                  0
                  Quote: wicked partisan
                  Quote: atalef
                  How are the partisans there? not wild yet?

                  Thanks to the vets, no. yes
                  Hello, suffering without veterinary care!drinks

                  Bats are not rodents, they do not tolerate “infections” and do not pose a direct threat to humans, but they can bite painfully in case of self-defense.

                  Bats, like other animals, can suffer from infectious diseases, including rabies.

                  wassat tongue
        4. APS
          APS 7 June 2016 11: 37
          0
          They come to serve as officers, and no one trusts them with anything serious, because neither the service nor the technicians know. So everything is correct - they have a place among ordinary people.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 44
            0
            Quote: APS
            because neither the service nor the technology knows.

            Because they are not trusted from that and do not know. At the training camp that you can master there in a month, you need more time to work with equipment, but they are not given.
        5. dauria
          dauria 7 June 2016 12: 00
          +4
          ... Have you seen a lot of successful officers who came from "civilian"?


          Shoigu and Putin .... laughing

          Well, seriously, there were a small number of professions and positions in the Armed Forces, where there was simply a shortage of personnel. Flight technicians, technicians and heads of IAS groups, pilot-operators. This is in the army aviation in the "non-prestigious" ZabVO and SAVO in the 80s. Earlier, these "holes" were plugged by "biennials". They served, left, replaced by the same. Only a few remained. There is no need to destroy completely.
          1. vladimirZ
            vladimirZ 7 June 2016 16: 07
            +6
            ... there was a staff shortage. Flight technicians, technicians, and IAS team leaders, ...
            - dauria (1)

            He served as a biennial student in 1974-76. an aircraft technician in the ZabVO, and by the way, was one in the squadron, having a higher education in the specialty "operation of aircraft and engines".
            And someone can tell me that I was worse than professional officers with secondary specialized education? Among the young cadre technical officers who served up to 5 years there were no equal at all, with a long service life there were, but not all.
            In technical knowledge, the technicians of the links with the experience of work and service from 10 years and more were absolutely superior to me, well, there were "bison" in their field.

            Therefore, I write with knowledge of my service experience.
            He has already written several times, military departments are needed, especially in technical universities, where technical training is higher than even specialized military universities.
            And most importantly, reserve officers - graduates of military departments are needed not only to compensate for the "personnel shortage" in today's Army, they form an officer's mobilization reserve of the armed forces of a future war, so that there would be no war.
            Remember the Second World War, when in the first year of the war the Army lost almost the entire average personnel. Pull out the war storage.
            And now in the pre-storm time it is necessary not only to reduce, but rather increase the number of military departments in civilian universities, to the level of the USSR. At that time, there were no fools in the General Staff, they knew how to prepare a mobile reserve.
      2. drundel861
        drundel861 7 June 2016 11: 40
        +3
        Not only you have such a misfortune, in our Orenburg the anti-aircraft school and the flight school were closed, Gagarin studied at the summer house, and the anti-aircraft gun had a huge experience in training specialists. What can I say there is a wave of reductions swept across Russia, it's a shame when, by the will of the stroke of the pen of one figure, a huge experience flies into non-being.
    2. Altona
      Altona 7 June 2016 11: 05
      +4
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Or is it better to leave the military departments and prepare the REQUIRED specialists?

      ---------------------------
      At the military department, it usually began in the second year, at first there are classes in general military disciplines - you can see in the photo, soldiers are taught to read maps, there is a curvimeter nearby (sorry I didn't buy it, I needed a thing), they study the actions of a motorized rifle battalion and the composition of a motorized rifle division. That is, in principle, they study the necessary things. Then comes the study of the specialty. I had the construction of roads, rocky, adjoining and others. There was a study of construction techniques, a study of road construction. After the army, I did not go to the military commissar, and they transferred us to the military inspectors of traffic regulation. In general, the opinion is that one can leave military training, but give it a slightly different sound. Because the "military department" was an element of mobilization in education. Supposedly "trained" people will come to factories and reorient them to a military style in case of war.
      PS I got into the army in 1988 in my second year, that was the "dislocation" of perestroika. They were drafted into the army from the military department.
      1. evil partisan
        evil partisan 7 June 2016 11: 32
        +1
        Quote: Altona
        I had the construction of roads, rocky, adjacent and others.

        I envy. I am a motorized rifle ... recourse
        1. Altona
          Altona 7 June 2016 13: 58
          0
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          I envy. I am a motorized rifleman ..

          -------------------
          Why are you jealous? I only studied 2 semesters at the military department. I just have an idea of ​​what a "banquet", "ditch" and "head" are. There is a synopsis on road construction (VAR-military road preparation is called), how to build a road correctly. But I am not a road engineer, I am not a theodolite or level (on the ground) and I do not know geodesy. There are only general ideas, but if the problem is posed, then I will build it. The outline contains norms for sand and gravel, how to arrange water disposal and drainage, how to form a temporary coating.
          1. evil partisan
            evil partisan 7 June 2016 19: 04
            0
            Quote: Altona

            Why are you jealous?

            Yes, because there’s a 2 march of throw: one is an estimated 15 km long, and one is fully laid out for 35 km., In the heat recourse ... And in general - I was a machine gunner (PC) ... sad
            1. Altona
              Altona 8 June 2016 16: 33
              0
              Quote: Angry Guerrilla
              Yes, because there’s a 2 march of throw: one is an estimated 15 km long, and one is fully laid out for 35 km., In the heat

              -------------------------
              Well, who later became inspectors of the VAI also stood at the training camp in helmets and some kind of garbage made of lavsan over their uniforms. For 12 hours a day, the traffic was "sorted out".
        2. atalef
          atalef 7 June 2016 17: 41
          +1
          Quote: Angry Guerrilla
          I envy. I am a motorized rifleman

          Partisan, you evil !!!
          wassat
          1. evil partisan
            evil partisan 7 June 2016 19: 06
            0
            Quote: atalef
            Partisan, you evil!

            Drag the PC in the heat, yes, 35 km, but in full gear, I'll look at you ... sad The last drops of kindness will evaporate ... yes
    3. Prisoner
      Prisoner 7 June 2016 11: 05
      +9
      How to prepare an aviation specialist or artilleryman from the humanities if he saw a sine with a cosine in a coffin? Although in the days of the Union of the graduates of the forest navigators for the Air Force riveted. laughing Apparently they argued that the forester, if he wants to live, will find every way home. laughing
      1. dauria
        dauria 7 June 2016 12: 28
        +1
        Although in the days of the Union of the graduates of the forest navigators for the Air Force riveted.


        Riveted, and we had one. In addition, already with his wife and child. Served for 2 years and left. I don't see anything bad. Or do you consider an adult man in 22 years after the university? I took the oath there - I was not 17 years old. And he went on guard, and this is AK, 2 horns and "completing a combat mission" by UGiKS. smile There was "commissioning", admissions and all the formalities. After that, the person was responsible (before the law !!!) for all his paintings and actions. By the way, I remember and respect some of the "dvuhgadyushnikov". People as people, and specialists turned out excellent in a couple of years.
    4. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 18
      +6
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Or is it better to leave the military departments and prepare the REQUIRED specialists?

      But what about the military department at agricultural academies? You can’t refocus on techies. And military agronomists are not needed.
      In fact, when the reduction of military departments began, several years ago, they began to reduce military departments at medical universities. It is not clear to whom military surgeons and doctors prevented military surgeons and doctors.
      1. reservist
        reservist 7 June 2016 11: 27
        +6
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        But what about the military department at agricultural academies? You can’t refocus on techies. And military agronomists are not needed.

        chemists, bacteriologists, water troops?
        I assume that the land reclamator will be retrained as a plumber and it will not be particularly difficult ...
        1. sdc_alex
          sdc_alex 7 June 2016 12: 01
          -2
          Quote: reservist
          chemists, bacteriologists

          It is better to increase the enrollment in the Military Academy of Radiation, Chemical and Biological Defense named after Marshal of the Soviet Union S.K. Timoshenko. Where it is the MILITARY that are prepared from youth, and not to recruit jackets for the army.
          Quote: reservist
          water troops

          Military Institute (Engineering Troops) of the Combined Arms Academy of the Armed Forces of the Russian Federation
          1. reservist
            reservist 7 June 2016 12: 23
            +4
            Military academies and institutes train personnel military
            Military Departments - Specialists of the Mobile Reserve

            if we are talking about increasing the size of the army, then we need to increase the set accordingly ...
            or do you propose to prepare a mobile reserve not in military departments, but in specialized military educational institutions?
        2. An60
          An60 7 June 2016 12: 28
          +1
          So, after all, a land reclamator is never a humanitarian.
          1. reservist
            reservist 7 June 2016 12: 39
            0
            As for land reclamators, you are right, but in the agricultural academy not only humanities are taught ...

            I read on the website of the Moscow Artists Academy named after K.A. Timiryazev
            The faculty includes 5 graduate departments: technologies for storing and processing fruits and vegetables; storage, processing and commodity science of crop products; technologies for storage and processing of livestock products; quality management and product research; processes and apparatuses of processing industries. The faculty also includes the general technical department of processes and apparatuses of processing industries.
      2. evil partisan
        evil partisan 7 June 2016 11: 39
        +4
        Quote: Lt. air force reserve
        But what about the military department at agricultural academies?
        Easily. yes Modern c \ x is primarily a mechanism! Accordingly = God himself ordered them to be involved in the repair of equipment. In addition: students with \ x specialties can be brought in for caring for animals. there are plenty of them in the Moscow Region. To the extreme - to organize an elite construction battalion from them. yes As we said at EVACU: if there is a cadet who is not busy with anything, then there is a task for him.
    5. Homo
      Homo 7 June 2016 11: 20
      +2
      Quote: Angry Guerrilla
      Or is it better to leave the military departments and prepare the REQUIRED specialists?

      Not all universities are able to train "in-demand" specialists. Correctly in the article it is written about non-core universities for MO. Agronomists, managers, marketers, primary school teachers, tax specialists, makeup artists, etc., how can they be "attached" to the army?
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 24
        -1
        Quote: Homo
        managers

        On the basis of managers, you can prepare military commissaries in the simple language of assistant commanders for financial and economic work.
        Who will calculate the military allowance?
        Quote: Homo
        primary school teachers

        If the teacher is for example a foreign language, you can learn it as a military translator.
        Quote: Homo
        tax specialists

        Military lawyer.
        1. Hon
          Hon 7 June 2016 11: 28
          0
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          On the basis of managers, you can prepare military commissaries in the simple language of assistant commanders for financial and economic work.

          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Military lawyer.

          The most popular specialties, in a situation where you have to resort to mobilization.
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          If the teacher is for example a foreign language, you can learn it as a military translator.

          you can be a translator, being a soldier, or even a civilian
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 42
            +2
            Quote: Hon
            The most popular specialties, in a situation where you have to resort to mobilization.

            During the Great Patriotic War, the rear troops played an equally important role. Who was involved in the logistics of the supply of ammunition, equipment, uniforms, food, calculated the needs for this?
            And who was involved in the field courts? Desertion, etc., etc.?
            Quote: Hon
            you can be a translator, being a soldier, or even a civilian

            There you need to know military terminology.
            1. Hon
              Hon 7 June 2016 11: 56
              0
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              There you need to know military terminology.

              in order to study it, the usual ordinary elective is enough, and it can be entered at all universities of training translators, both for guys and for a girl, and not to fence a garden with departments

              Only here, the rear services are not those specialists who suffer heavy losses, it is not the task of going into battle. During the Second World War mobilized for the front and not for the rear
          2. sdc_alex
            sdc_alex 7 June 2016 11: 53
            -1
            Quote: Hon
            Military lawyer.
            Quote: Hon
            military translator

            I never understood why, having such a position, I must be sure the military.

            IMHO: in such positions, it is quite possible for civilians to cope. Military journalists are coping.
        2. sso-xnumx
          sso-xnumx 7 June 2016 11: 46
          +1
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve

          On the basis of managers, you can prepare military commissaries in the simple language of assistant commanders for financial and economic work.

          Read - thieves !!!
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 56
            +2
            Quote: sso-250659
            Read - thieves !!!

            Warrant officers were also considered thieves, reduced, as a result, it seems, they began to revive again.
            Who will carry out the logistics work, determine what and how much is needed, for example, a regiment, accrue monetary allowance? Do you think it's that simple? Plant the techie without any preparation, he will not cope.
            In fact, there is a whole bookkeeping, budgeting, money allowance calculation formulas, etc. People are taught for a long time.
          2. Cat man null
            Cat man null 7 June 2016 12: 07
            0
            Quote: sso-250659
            Quote: Lt. air force reserve

            On the basis of managers, you can prepare military commissaries in the simple language of assistant commanders for financial and economic work.

            Read - thieves !!!

            I'll tell you a terrible secret right now belay

            - the so-called "Air Force Reserve Lt." is actually that very military ... financier. Unserviceable, poor fellow ...
            - why the Air Force - you yourself take an interest in it ... laugh, I guarantee
            - and say hello to him on occasion - he hid from me in the emergency, so personally I can’t do this request
            1. evil partisan
              evil partisan 7 June 2016 12: 12
              0
              Quote: Cat Man Null
              I personally can’t do this in any way

              Very glad to see you, Colleague! drinks
              When will we go to rub Gridasov about you? wink
              After all, a scarecrow disappeared. I don’t have enough of him ... recourse
              1. sdc_alex
                sdc_alex 7 June 2016 12: 24
                0
                Or maybe it's the BBC Stock Lieutenant? request
                1. Lt. Air Force stock
                  Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 13: 36
                  0
                  Quote: sdc_alex
                  Or maybe it's the BBC Stock Lieutenant?

                  VUS 310101 the military department trained mainly technicians, but there was one non-technical specialty when the military unit lieutenant was handed over the military department.
                  What is the problem? Are you jealous?
                  And you don’t have to think that it’s easy to enter and graduate from the military department now, it’s even more difficult now than under the USSR, the number of military departments has been reduced, the Ministry of Defense has cut the quota for the number of seats, + there are also entrance examinations and there will be no health problems, military commissariats on commissions are turned on times (which is interesting for military recruitment, but for admission to the military department they begin to find fault).
                  1. sdc_alex
                    sdc_alex 7 June 2016 13: 57
                    0
                    Quote: Lt. air force reserve
                    What is the problem? Are you jealous?

                    No, where am I going with my Military Transport ... in the Air Force laughing
                    1. Lt. Air Force stock
                      Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 14: 05
                      +1
                      Quote: sdc_alex
                      No, where am I going with my Military Transport ... in the Air Force

                      I wrote because I am proud that I graduated from the military department. And as for the Air Force, am I deceiving someone, in fact? Or pretend to be a flight crew? No! My profile has always been written in my profile. Therefore, I consider all kinds of nit-picking unreasonable.
              2. Cat man null
                Cat man null 7 June 2016 12: 30
                0
                Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                Very glad to see you, Colleague!

                - mutually hi

                Quote: Angry Guerrilla
                When will we go to rub Gridasov about you?

                - Yes, something I promised him ... sclerosis, damn it ..
                - yes, as it is announced, let’s go yes
    6. siberalt
      siberalt 7 June 2016 11: 22
      +3
      Actually, in the army, specialists of any profile can come in handy. We were served by guys from the pedagogical institute (sports faculty) and from the Kuban agricultural farm (winemaking faculty). Everyone found a job by profession laughing
    7. Mavrikiy
      Mavrikiy 7 June 2016 16: 33
      +1
      Quote: wicked partisan
      Or is it better to leave the military departments and prepare the REQUIRED specialists?

      They disowned themselves in the news and pointed to Izvestia as the last resort. Liberas organ.
  2. newcomer
    newcomer 7 June 2016 10: 51
    +6
    Well, in general, everything is correct. optimization of training of the necessary personnel.
  3. Pereira
    Pereira 7 June 2016 10: 52
    +10
    That is, if now the mobilization resource is weak, then soon it will not be at all?
    1. Hon
      Hon 7 June 2016 11: 18
      -3
      Quote: Pereira
      That is, if now the mobilization resource is weak, then soon it will not be at all?

      But what's the use of such a resource?
      1. Pereira
        Pereira 7 June 2016 11: 26
        +3
        Correctly. See resources. It is necessary to save money for deputies.
        And in which case, merchandisers will command.
      2. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 28
        +2
        Quote: Hon
        But what's the use of such a resource?

        Better in case of war, the reserve lieutenant will command a platoon that has at least some training. Than a person without training at all or with shortened officer courses.
        1. Hon
          Hon 7 June 2016 11: 37
          -3
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          Better in case of war, the reserve lieutenant will command a platoon that has at least some training. Than a person without training at all or with shortened officer courses.

          Well, firstly, in the event of a real war, they simply won’t be able to call up the reserve, and secondly, a person can do much better, although without an officer rank, but who has served in the army for more than one year than an officer from the department. in the first Chechen one, they mobilized such officers, the result was sad.
      3. evil partisan
        evil partisan 7 June 2016 19: 09
        +1
        Quote: Hon
        But what's the use of such a resource?

        See the history of the Second World War. yes
    2. Homo
      Homo 7 June 2016 11: 27
      0
      Quote: Pereira
      That is, if now the mobilization resource is weak, then soon it will not be at all?

      What are you talking about? You can call in the infantry and without a military department, and in other troops you need special training. And even after graduation, it’s almost 0, and after 5-10 years you can completely forget about military training.
  4. Reserve buildbat
    Reserve buildbat 7 June 2016 10: 52
    +7
    It would be nice to really approach the issue pragmatically. Targeted orders for specialists, for example. And then the "managers" and "bankers" in the army are rather harmful.
  5. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 7 June 2016 10: 55
    +1
    Something the man woke up late. Where military departments remained in this state! Better close? And can put in order and restore the VVU?
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 7 June 2016 10: 55
    +3
    If they are not needed, they are not needed, and it is clear that it is both costly and ineffective to train motorized infantry officers in universities. But this is so, for example. In general, IMHONET, the military department has a beneficial effect on student youth, I remember from myself. Because there are both "majors" and guys from the plow - on the same level. And often the second category significantly prevails over the first.
    1. Hon
      Hon 7 June 2016 11: 20
      0
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Since there are "majors"

      now then these departments why majors? they are not going to the army after university
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 30
        0
        Quote: Hon
        now then these departments why majors? they are not going to the army after university

        So majors climb into the civil service, and those who did not serve those closed the way to civil service.
        In addition, if the major father or mother work in the tax, customs, FSB. Then they can attach a son or daughter with the title easily + they will also have a civilian specialty.
        1. Hon
          Hon 7 June 2016 11: 40
          0
          Quote: Lt. air force reserve
          So majors climb into the civil service, and those who did not serve those closed the way to civil service.

          seriously? but I didn’t know when I was at the civil service.
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 48
            0
            Quote: Hon
            seriously? but I didn’t know when I was at the civil service.

            It seems that the State Duma adopted the law in 2013.
            1. Hon
              Hon 7 June 2016 12: 32
              +1
              Quote: Lt. air force reserve
              It seems that the State Duma adopted the law in 2013.

              in the development of this law, my friend participated, but he himself did not serve ...
  7. newcomer
    newcomer 7 June 2016 10: 57
    +2
    Pereira, just the opposite. there will be the right number of trained personnel.
  8. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 7 June 2016 11: 01
    +1
    Well, the louse is edren, as these "optimizers" have already got. Optimize and optimize. Isn't it time to tug on the red head, but not one? What kind of bolt did they stick to the healthy body of Russia?
  9. Abbra
    Abbra 7 June 2016 11: 05
    +2
    Crappy idea. What are "unclaimed"? Even a future philologist can be in the army with business. I even feel sorry for the guys who take part in humanitarian universities. Fucking reformers ...
    1. Hon
      Hon 7 June 2016 11: 21
      0
      Quote: Abbra
      Crappy idea. What are "unclaimed"? Even a future philologist can be in the army with business.

      Of course, a philologist can also be a soldier, why should an officer be made of him without a military education?
    2. The stranger
      The stranger 7 June 2016 11: 24
      +2
      Sure. Once it was called "civil defense", and all physicists - chemists - biologists underwent specialized training in the relevant weapons of mass destruction. Agricultural - too, because no one will cancel the need for food, after massive weapon infections, or major accidents and disasters.
      All kinds of economists - in the rear services, builders - in the fire and engineering, humanitarian - under the psychological war. Which will be more and more popular, almost more infantry.
      I can not imagine the specialty that the army does not need.
      1. Beaver
        Beaver 7 June 2016 12: 19
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        Quote: Alien
        I can not imagine the specialty that the army does not need.
        yes
        The main thing is to send people to positions where possible where their professional skills are useful. When two-year-olds or ordinary people came, at least able to distinguish a transistor from a soldering iron, it was good. good
        The most stupid biennials served as "regular senior cars." At least a career officer should not have been distracted from his immediate duties for the sake of this nonsense. laughing
        Apparently now in the army there is a huge overabundance of officers ... recourse
  10. dobrovchic
    dobrovchic 7 June 2016 11: 06
    +1
    DEPARTMENTS SHOULD BE, AND SPECIALTIES SHOULD BE - REQUIRED! It is necessary not to close the departments, but to reorient the training in accordance with the specialists required in the army. soldier
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 11: 21
      +1
      Quote: dobrovchic
      DEPARTMENTS SHOULD BE, AND SPECIALTIES SHOULD BE - REQUIRED! It is necessary not to close the departments, but to reorient the training in accordance with the specialists required in the army

      By the way, graduates of military departments should not be in demand in peacetime, they are prepared in case of war and general mobilization (so that there is no shortage of personnel).
  11. tolyasik0577
    tolyasik0577 7 June 2016 11: 07
    +2
    Formed, ready base for the training of officers to abolish, what kind of nonsense ?. Well, you do not need collective farmers, and do not, but as history shows during the war, there are always not enough officers. Well, there is no cavalry in the RA, which means that the veterinarians are not needed either, the machine operators apparently also, because There are no tractors and combines in the army. And there is nothing to talk about agronomists.
    1. Hon
      Hon 7 June 2016 11: 24
      +1
      Quote: tolyasik0577
      Well, there is no cavalry in the RA, which means that veterinarians are not needed

      my father is a veterinarian, and in the army was a simple soldier. can’t be a veterinarian in the army without officer epaulettes?
      1. Per se.
        Per se. 7 June 2016 12: 01
        +3
        Quote: Hon
        my father is a veterinarian, and in the army was a simple soldier. can’t be a veterinarian in the army without officer epaulettes?
        A veterinarian at least could be an orderly, a military doctor, and this is not superfluous in the army, and this is much better than nothing in a war with a shortage of personnel. The innovations of the State Duma deputies are just another nonsense, which, apart from harm, will do nothing good. Platoon and company commanders are the most "consumables" among the command staff, if we recall the military experience. Who hinders the preparation of reservists who can read military cards, trained in command skills, who hinders the raising of the quality of training to the demanded level? Well, you don't need officers, train sergeants, just specialists, even privates, what's the problem? They are saving money again, they do not sleep at night with joy, it would be better if they thought of how to get rid of the Duma from the Duma, but anti-popular laws should not be dragged in under the lobby ...
        1. Hon
          Hon 7 June 2016 12: 47
          0
          Quote: Per se.
          At least the veterinarian could be a nurse, a military doctor, and this is not unnecessary in the army

          the nurse also wanted to write to him when he was demobilized, but the plumber got his hands on it and wrote laughing
          Quote: Per se.
          Who is stopping the training of reservists who can read military maps, trained in team skills, who is stopping raising the quality of training to the required level?

          it interferes with the fact that people came to the university for other purposes, and they need a chair so that they would not serve as soldiers
          1. Lt. Air Force stock
            Lt. Air Force stock 7 June 2016 14: 01
            0
            Quote: Hon
            and they need a pulpit to serve as soldiers

            You know, it seems to me now that they go to the military department as a reserve officer in almost 90% of cases in order to later serve in the civil service, because it is not so easy to get there. And those who want to "skip" or pay, or 1 year for an ordinary stock will learn.
  12. Evil 55
    Evil 55 7 June 2016 11: 11
    +1
    The next nonsense ... And in the troops of the link "platoon commander-company commander" as it was not after SMERDyukov, and no ...
    1. Hon
      Hon 7 June 2016 11: 30
      0
      and where does the department?
  13. Algetxnumx
    Algetxnumx 7 June 2016 11: 11
    0
    Quote: Angry Guerrilla
    Or is it better to leave the military departments and prepare the REQUIRED specialists?

    How do you imagine it? It's one thing if, let's say, a "profile" university, radio engineering, medical, although everything is clear with these, well, all sorts of "ped", historical architectural and other humanitarian, of course, we do not take into account, also, naturally, agricultural, but there is seemingly technical universities, mining, petrochemical, etc., but they have practically nothing to do with the army, it is necessary to leave military departments only in those universities that are directly related to the VO RF, and everything else is a senseless waste of financial and material resources and legal "excuse" from the service.
  14. Abbra
    Abbra 7 June 2016 11: 14
    +1
    By the way, on the topic. Slepakov's answer to Medvedev's statement about "No money" ...
    1. KBR109
      KBR109 7 June 2016 11: 21
      +1
      This is a perfectly normal answer. I already got acquainted yesterday. And not even funny at all. Not an eyebrow at all, as they say ...
    2. g1v2
      g1v2 7 June 2016 11: 34
      0
      They cut the video and the whole country suffered. Won songs have already begun to compose. Nda, how is it easy to manipulate the average man? Nothing in the brains of people has changed since the time of mmm.
    3. Abbra
      Abbra 7 June 2016 11: 50
      +1
      Are these cons to me, Medvedev or Slepakov?
  15. Ruswolf
    Ruswolf 7 June 2016 11: 22
    +5
    The military department should be at every institute.
    Only military training in them should be different. Where is the general ("course of a young soldier"), where more seriously - "reserve officer". But the main thing is that the service at the end of the institute would still pass.
    And then HIGHER EDUCATION INSTITUTIONS are crowded, but there are no specialists. Not in the civilian world, nor in the army are there any sense in them.
  16. weksha50
    weksha50 7 June 2016 11: 23
    +3
    "military departments will be abolished in some universities"...

    You can give a bunch of arguments for and against ...

    The main thing is that the decision is balanced, so that it doesn’t work out according to the principle: they wanted it — the best, but it turned out - as always ...

    PS As a current officer, a graduate of this department (jacket), naturally - ZERO ... But as a mobile reserve - ONE ...
  17. vetor
    vetor 7 June 2016 11: 27
    -2
    Do not close military schools with a normal base. And for a student, the military department was not always a priority; the teachers were always important there. It is not bad to train one officer than three "jackets" or five.
  18. nazar_0753
    nazar_0753 7 June 2016 11: 46
    0
    In addition, technical universities plan serious reworking of the military training program.

    “Such educational institutions as Bauman will be issued an order for those specialists that are needed by the Ministry of Defense. With them, perhaps, the military department will sign contracts. Accordingly, higher education institutions will have to make amendments to the work plans of their military departments so as not to waste time on drill or military training to the extent that they are not needed, ”said the deputy.

    It is interesting that they are planning to process such a concrete product. In my specialty there is a competition of 4 people per place - I submitted an application, but I don’t know if I will pass. Maybe the number of seats will increase? winked
  19. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 7 June 2016 12: 31
    -1
    Quote: wicked partisan
    Or is it better to leave the military departments and prepare the REQUIRED specialists?
    It would certainly be nice, only hundreds will study at the department, units will go to the Armed Forces, but what about military secrets and other tolerances for hundreds? The technology of new generations or its elements, usually with a neck, or prepare half-specialists, and then retrain in the troops? Will not be a little expensive?
  20. Barakuda
    Barakuda 7 June 2016 13: 31
    +2
    I disagree. I myself am a technician of the Faculty of Informatics and Computer Engineering of the Kiev Polytechnic. But I ended up in the air defense. We studied "OSU", "TOP" "BUK". Some of them worked and studied in closed buildings. And not everything was so bad .. Until "Humpbacked" with the company .. All this did not give up.
    True, the department was super - boxes, ready-made cars, officers from Germany or Afghanistan, catch it, don’t yawn. There were even from the Northern Fleet (well, there are torpedoes, missiles), nobody canceled the principles of electronics.
  21. Forever so
    Forever so 7 June 2016 13: 53
    -1
    Chairs close, all efforts to throw on the study of the types of vibrators and the effectiveness of anal lubrication. You’ve taken fashion, against the west, to arrange war. That would have surrendered to Hitler, right now would have been drinking Bavarian beer.
    I wrote everything correctly ??? But seriously, the military department is not only an opportunity for a student to think about military service in the future, but also the education of patriotism, as it does not sound pathetic. But the actions of American political scientists and their race students are clear to me.
  22. black
    black 7 June 2016 14: 08
    +1
    Wow, how the people got nervous. I served in the infantry and we had different "jackets". Those who were drafted immediately after graduation were not drawn to the commanders. But as techies, they were at their best. If anyone remembers, the "jackets" had an option in the 90s. Either two years as an officer, or a year as a private. They were immediately given sergeants, there they were in their place. I had one, Roma Rose. There is nowhere to go from the mob reserve.
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 7 June 2016 20: 39
      0
      Quote: black
      Wow, how people got nervous. I served in the infantry and we had different "jackets".


      I totally agree - they are different ... The majority are "temporary workers", which is to be expected ...
      Accordingly, they were not entrusted with particularly serious matters ... And I, as a personnel officer, knew that many of them could not control the soldiers either, and indeed the final result was for them to beat the drum ...
      But there were guys who liked military service ... In the Strategic Missile Forces, after MAI and Baumanka, some of them remained, and served worthy, made a good career ... As a rule, in the military services, that is, techies, and not the command staff ...

      And, as an example, I would like to cite the Marshal of the Soviet Union - "PIDZHAK" - Dmitry Fedorovich Ustinov ...
      Using his experience in military-industrial complex and communications in the Old Square, he was able to do a lot of things during his time for the Soviet army and navy, having solved many tasks both in the field of armaments and social needs ... Well, military training, as everyone should be known, the General Staff was engaged ...

      I served, starting from MO Grechko, and ending with Pasha-Mercedes ... So I think that there was no better MO than D.F.Ustinov for the army ...
      Many praise Marshal Yazov (especially since he is a front-line soldier), but they forget that he allowed Gorbatov to spit-peck the army ...

      This is what I mean ... In vain we all bark here, we argue ... Each medal has two sides ... "Jacket" for the most part - it is a jacket ... It is not his life goal in itself - to become a good professional military ... And the quality of his service depends precisely on his moral and patriotic personal qualities ...
  23. Letnab
    Letnab 7 June 2016 15: 32
    +2
    I barely read the discussion ... As personnel officers do not like .. soldiers pour Mr. but on those who do not look like them ...
    There are different people, someone in life d.mo, and someone in any situation will remain a man! I think that among staff and so despised jackets, the percentage will be the same. The only difference is that after the call, the jacket ends up in an unfriendly environment where he has to prove something to someone ... Here it would be for the staff officers to force the drafted to become specialists, but often they just let things go by themselves and then admire their skills against the background of clumsy .. .
    By the way! According to the news of the Ministry of Defense, it refuted information about the closure of military departments, and their increase is possible !!!
  24. Mosen6Ish
    Mosen6Ish 7 June 2016 21: 49
    +3
    Well, at one time I was lucky - as I hooked at the department of R-409, so I got on it in the radio battalion.
    I couldn’t understand one thing in 2 years - why did they call me when I was 25 years old, family, if 3 platoons quit during the service, the company one was younger than me and four freshly baked, after six months of service.
    That's who the dough state has spent in abundance. The answer really was simple - my workshop salary was equal to that of 3 platoons together ...
  25. Kramb
    Kramb 8 June 2016 19: 21
    0
    I am from Ukraine from Kharkov. Therefore, I ask you not to throw political stones about past and current events.
    Essentially from the experience of Ukraine.
    The number of military departments in higher schools should not be reduced, but rather increased, moreover, at times the number of students!

    1) The army of peace and war is different armies, when the arctic fox arrives, the first in a shocked state tries to become the second.
    2) Not everyone will run to "die for their homeland", even part of the regular army will not rush into battle. These are the realities of any country.
    3) Troops equipped with new equipment will be knocked out first of all giving time for mobilization, this applies to aviation, armored vehicles, air defense, battle control systems and this leads to the fact that we have to be content with what is in the mobilization warehouses ... i.e. . weapons, equipment, communications, ammunition of the 80s.
    4) After the largest losses, the number of "heroes" to fight will decrease and personnel shortage comes, that's when it's time for jackets to replace personnel officers

    On the example of Ukraine, in reality now "1941" more and less working out of 5 planes is being reopened, only one is assembled, armored troops now completely consist of mobilization reserves, motorized infantry - weapons, ammunition, communications from there.
    What kind of speech is it, with real armageddon, it is necessary to fight not with new technology, but with what is in the mobilization reserves. It’s just on this armament that you need to train your jackets and how to train as much as possible, take in quantity - because not everyone will immediately rush into battle and there will be a strong dropout at the beginning.

    PS The big request is not to say that this is not the case in the Russian Army, everything is just wonderful, full of new equipment and "we will fight with little blood on foreign territory" ... in 1941, the USSR also thought so that everything was remembered later ...
  26. vetor
    vetor 9 June 2016 18: 31
    0
    Quote: vetor
    Do not close military schools with a normal base. And for a student, the military department was not always a priority; the teachers were always important there. It is not bad to train one officer than three "jackets" or five.

    The military is obviously teaching minuscule. Non-poor and authoritative.