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Stalin's struggle with the "trophy players"

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Stalin's struggle with the "trophy players" As noted above, after the war, the criminogenic situation sharply worsened in the Soviet Union. This was due to several major factors:

1) huge territories were occupied during the war, the main Soviet institutions were eliminated, the Nazis cooperated consciously with the local Nazi and collaborationist circles, and after the liberation of these areas, they had to restore order, de facto wage a new war with the Nazis;

2) a significant proportion of law enforcement and security personnel went to the front, many died, this weakened the law enforcement forces;

3) crime used the war, weakening law enforcement forces to strengthen its position;

4) war gave thugs a real battle weapon. It was easy to get, fields were littered with weapons and ammunition;

5) the authorities in the conditions of war, to somewhat alleviate the situation of the people, turned a blind eye to the development of the “gray market”, a “black market” appeared, where in most cases, in addition to trophy trade and product speculation, the gold and foreign exchange business flourished in bright colors.

For example, in May 1946, an operation was conducted by forces of the UMGB officers in the Moscow Region to eliminate four groups of 12 people related to buying gold and currency. During the search, the arrested persons ’apartments were seized of: gold coins of tsarist minting in the amount of 16 335 rubles, gold products with diamonds for 74 thousand rubles. total weight 14,7 kg, 5022 dollar, 120 pounds sterling, 304 thousand rubles. cash, bearer savings books with deposits on 105 thousand rubles, government bonds on 294 thousand rubles. In June 1946, during the operation “Predators”, officers of the MGB-MIA of Leningrad took in red-handed well-known currency dealers Miletin, Eydin and a secret group of gold-loaders headed by Chernigov and Rabinovich. The analysis conducted during the investigation showed that gold and currency were often purchased cheaply from the population, including from demobilized soldiers and officers of the Red Army.

Speculative dealers have chosen the state collective-farm trade since the war. Having documents (often fake) on contractual relations with collective farms, dealers opened their points in the markets, where they sold collective farm products at speculative prices. In addition to such “stationary workers”, various groups of so-called “procurers” acted in the Union, who were directly involved in buying grain at state prices and then selling it in regional centers at higher prices. According to the MIA-MGB, only in the first quarter of 1947 was a person 17784 prosecuted for speculation. At the same time 2932 of organized groups were revealed, from which during the search it was seized: 23743 rub. royal coinage coins, 4 kg of gold in bars, more than 19 million rubles. cash, manufactured goods worth more than 15 mln. rub. and 325 t. grocery products (from the book. "Moscow post-war. 1945-1947 years.");

5) the largest cities, such as Minsk, Kiev, Leningrad, Stalingrad, Sevastopol, Odessa, Novorossiysk, Voronezh, etc., were badly damaged. The total number of destroyed cities and large settlements was 1700 and more than 70 thousand villages and villages. 25 million people were left without a roof over their heads, which, in turn, led to overcrowding in the rear cities;

6) part of the industry was destroyed (32 thousand enterprises were destroyed), the demobilization of the army began. Soldiers and officers returned home with trophies, however, despite the shortage of workers, the ability to find work at the beginning of 1946 was not easy in a number of areas;

7) in addition, starting with 1946, a massive re-evacuation began in the country (during the war, more than 25 million people were evacuated to the east). Thus, war, devastation, migration, strengthened by the processes of mass demobilization and repatriation, led to an increase in criminal and organized crime in the economic sphere.

All this led to the "materialization" of the Soviet Union and threatened the collapse of the Soviet project. The “mercenary profit” became a characteristic feature of the post-war period. The growing demand for scarce goods led to the formation in Soviet society of “wealthy people” engaged in personal enrichment. The number of “wealthy people” included representatives of the generals, Soviet and party organs, who made a state of “righteous labor”, including during the distribution of “trophy property” obtained in the course of reparations.

The problem was that in many regions of the USSR, in addition to the growth of criminal offenses, there was a tendency for business executives to intertwine with crime. The criminal activity in the economic sphere has sharply increased: illegal entrepreneurial activity intersected with embezzlement of state and public property, various frauds, speculation in the system of trade and supply. Organized criminal groups acted in close cooperation with individual leaders and employees of trade and public catering enterprises. For example, only in one Ulyanovsk region. the criminal group, headed by the leaders of the regional food industry, was able to plunder food products in the amount of 2,7 million rubles.

It is clear that the Kremlin could not turn a blind eye to this situation, when the “defilement” of materialism was eating away at the elite of Soviet civilization — the top commanders of the armed forces serving the Soviet and party organs (as conceived by Stalin, they were to become the “order of the Swordsmen,” which would be an example for the whole people). Stalin himself set such an example, leaving nothing after himself, except for the superpower and the Soviet project, which gave a chance for a “bright future” not only to the peoples of Russian civilization, but to all humanity. It was impossible to close our eyes to the disintegration of the part of the Soviet elite, since the craving for the "golden calf" undermined all the foundations of the Soviet civilization, the essence of which was social justice, the rejection of the parasitism of a small social group over the whole people. Hence the “trophy case”, the “minor purge” of the party elite, the struggle against “cosmopolitanism”, etc.

So, in July 1946, the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) considered several cases of the secretaries of the territorial regional committees, in particular, the Irkutsk and Sverdlovsk regions. The Irkutsk case began with a letter from the authorized CPC to the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) in the Irkutsk Region comrade. Frolov, directed by 8 June 1946 in the CCP in the name of Shkiryatov. The letter said the abuse of executives of the Irkutsk region. In particular, there was an illegal expenditure of public funds for the evenings, the purchase of personal use of cars. “Some comrades, buying cars at low cost in the department of stock property of the East-Siberian Military District, resold them at higher prices. The head of the Glavmuk Trust ORS, T. Ponomarev, bought 2 vehicles for 17 thousand rubles, he sold one of them to the head of the Angarsk Shipping Company, Karamzin for 24 thousand rubles; deputy before regional executive committee comrade Kulikovsky bought 2 vehicles, of which one resold; the director of the power station, Gurevich, resold his car, resold his cars and other workers. By order of the secretary of the Irkutsk City Committee of the CPSU (b) t. Kobeleva, state-released products for children's institutions: butter, chocolate, sugar, cookies, etc. in the amount of 1 452 kg were distributed as gifts to the city executives. ”

Thus, the then executives showed typical for all times “elitism” and corruption. However, then they could be punished, and very strictly. In modern times for similar crimes usually get rid of reprimands.

It is worth noting that the tightening of penalties imposed by 4 Decrees of June 1947 for economic crimes (speculation, fraud, currency transactions, major embezzlement of state and cooperative ownership, mediation, giving and receiving bribes) 49,2% of the total. The decline in crime began in the middle of 1948. The death penalty was used extremely rarely even during large thefts during this period.

As part of the overall fight against abuse, some generals and officers were also hit. 29 November 1947. Minister of the Ministry of State Security Abakumov sends a lengthy report to Stalin informing about the negligent discharge of duties, the use of official position for personal gain by a number of senior officials of the SWAG during the period 1945-1946. The materials testified to the malicious theft of trophies, various violations in the "trophy cases" committed by both the army senior officers and the commanding staff of the Ministry of Internal Affairs-MGB. It is worth noting that similar information was received by the Central Committee in the name of Stalin and in addition to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Ministry of State Security in letters from servicemen and ordinary Soviet citizens.

Here is a typical example. "... This is what his subordinate lieutenant lieutenant Maximov told the chief of the district department of the MGB in Altmark Major Tolstoy in a letter to Stalin:" In May 1946 of the year, operatives of the district department of Altmark district discovered a warehouse with sugar of one retired military unit that left unknown What is the reason for the warehouse with the amount of sugar 36 tons. This sugar, on the orders of Major Tolstoy, was transported at night from the Gentin area to the mountains. Stendal. Since that time, Major Tolstoy began to dispose of this sugar as personal property. Part of the sugar - three tons, was handed over to the authorities so that no complaints would arise. About ten tons were handed out to the staff for silence. The rest of the sugar went to various geshefts with the Germans in favor of Major Tolstoy. He specifically 4 times seconded throughout the occupation zone of Germany, a civilian repatriated Nadezhdin Nicholas in order to Nadezhdin exchanged sugar and meat from the Germans on different rags, for Major Tolstoy. Spending, thus, also state gasoline. All traded things from the Germans for sugar and meat, Major Tolstoy sent to the Soviet Union to the place of residence of the mountains. Kharkiv with its orderly ml. serge. Mazharin, who serves only for this purpose with him, does not work anywhere, he goes on holiday 3 times to the Soviet Union a year. Then Major Tolstoy was in the 1946 year hidden from state subsidiary farming with the number of 160 sheep, about 30 cows and 4 pigs and various poultry, the local commandant's office knows this fact. This part-time farm was almost destroyed, part of the cattle went to the common boiler, and the majority was converted to various sausages, canned goods and sent to the Soviet Union in the mountains. Kharkiv, with its mother-in-law and various geshefts in favor of Major Tolstoy, when in the canteen the operational staff almost does not see fat, since Major Tolstoy for the 5 months has been removing fats from the main ration of employees, thereby sending 45 kilograms of oil he also sent to the mountains. Kharkov its mother-in-law. This communist does not hesitate to go into the apartment of the employees not to talk with their wives, but on the contrary, he goes into the apartments in order to take personal belongings from the employees in his favor and in favor of the newly arrived commander Lieutenant Colonel Denisenko. Seeing such actions of their boss, some employees embarked on the same path ... "(E. Zhirnov," Drinking and Doing Donutries "," Power ", No.49 (703) from 11.12.2006).

It must be said that all middle-level servicemen, “caught by the arms” at the trophy enrichment, were small figures. The military prosecutor's office looked at such cases "through the fingers", given the past military merits of one or another caught "burglar." Therefore, many of the military got off with a simple fright. But Stalin perceived this question a little differently. He looked wider. The point was not at all in the number of trophies, but in the fact that the enrichment (not always legal) of the generals through trophies, in fact, decomposed the army. And in the conditions of a general increase in crime, corruption in government and party structures, this threatened a future coup d'état that could destroy the entire Soviet project (as it happened in 1991 in the end).

Therefore, some generals and suffered so that others were discouraged. 6 December 1947 The Chairman of the Council of Ministers of the USSR I. V. Stalin (having studied the material submitted by Abakumov from November 29) instructs to arrest General G. A. Bezhanov. There was enough discrediting material against him. Bezhanov was a merchant by education, then he joined the ranks of the SC, he advanced along the state security line. During the war he was engaged in the organization of evacuation and supply. From 1943, he worked as the head of the NKGB office for the Stavropol Territory, from October 1944 the People's Commissar, from March 1946, the Minister of State Security of the Kabardino-Balkarian Autonomous Soviet Socialist Republic, and from May 1945, the head of the NKVD operational sector in Thuringia. Major-General Bezhanov, Minister of State Security of the Kabardian ASSR, was arrested on December 9, 10 in a trophy case and convicted by the Military Collegium of the Supreme Court of 1947 in October 17 of the year according to the CEC decree of 1951 in August 7 and Articles 1932-193 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR on a ZNUMX

This was followed by the arrest of the head of the operational sector of the federal state of Saxony, Major General S.A. Klepova on charges of abuse of power and use of office, followed by delivery under escort to Moscow. Klepov also served in the line of state security in rail transport. From November 1946 of the year - head of the Saxon operational sector of the Soviet military administration in Germany. Supervised the formation of a network of state security agencies in the occupied territory of Germany; enjoyed the patronage of the Deputy Commander in Chief of Civil Administration Affairs I.A. Serov. He turned out to be involved in large thefts of captured property. He was sentenced to 10 years in prison. Others followed. 31 January 1948 The MGB military counterintelligence authorities arrested the former chief of the Berlin Opersector, Major General A.M. Sidneva. In 1951, he was sentenced to forced treatment in a psychiatric hospital by a special meeting of the MGB of the USSR.

Obviously, Zhukov also indulged in trophies. But given his military merit, he got off with disgrace. As you know, one day 6 December 1947g. officers of the military counterintelligence arrested General Bazhanov and Lieutenant Colonel A.S. Symochkin (adjutant of Zhukov). Both the one and the other rather quickly and in detail explained to the investigators of the MGB various facts related to the activities of Zhukov as the Commander-in-Chief of the SVAG and his closest circle. 5 January 1948 Abakumov (according to Stalin's orders) ordered the MGB officers to conduct an unofficial search of Marshal Zhukov’s apartment in Moscow. They found a significant amount of value.

Secretary of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) A.A. Zhdanov instructed to double-check all the facts pointed out by Zhukov. At the same time, an inspection team of the IAM was sent to the Odessa VO, which revealed a number of “oversights and gaps” on the part of the OdVO commander. 20 January 1948 was issued by the Resolution of the Politburo of the Central Committee of the CPSU (b) "On Comrade Zhukov GK, Marshal of the Soviet Union." By its decree, the Central Committee "... issued to Comrade Zhukov the last warning, giving him the last time the opportunity to improve and become an honest party member worthy of the rank of commander." At the same time, Zhukov was released from the post of commander of the troops of the Odessa Military District. Zhukov was appointed commander of the Ural VO.

Thus, Stalin fought with high-ranking "trophy players", showing that he would not allow the decomposition of the army and the entire Soviet elite as a whole. I must say that this is one of the main reasons for the hatred of Stalin. He led the Red Empire to the future, "to the stars." And the representatives of the "elite" with the psychology of the bourgeois and the townspeople wanted to enrich themselves, because they were on the Olympus and wanted to use their position.

Therefore, during the Khrushchev "perestroika" and launched the myth that Stalin wanted to "dump" Zhukov, and Abakumov, on his instructions, came up with a "trophy case." This black myth is popular now. Stalin - a bloody "tyrant", opposed to the "genius commander", "knight" Zhukov. As a result, Zhukov got off with opal. And after Stalin’s removal, Khrushchev became an instrument in the struggle for power.
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  1. Basil50
    Basil50 7 June 2016 06: 34
    +86
    The more time passes, the more I become convinced that AND IN STALIN I was a great and wise politician. It is a pity that all subsequent leaders of the SOVIET UNION went along the path of Khrushchev. In modern RUSSIA Khrushchev’s followers in power. It is a pity that among them there is not one with an understanding of the development prospects of RUSSIA. In economics, * market * relations are an instrument, not a goal. And with historical events you need to be careful, the descendants will not * appreciate * the destruction and sale of the GREAT COUNTRY, and they will be right.
    1. gray smeet
      gray smeet 7 June 2016 09: 00
      +34
      One colonel general reported to Stalin about the state of affairs. The Supreme Commander looked very pleased and nodded twice in approval. Having finished the report, the commander hesitated. Stalin asked: “Do you want to say anything else?”
      “Yes, I have a personal question. In Germany, I selected some things that interest me, but they were detained at a checkpoint. If possible, I would ask that they be returned to me. ”
      "It's possible. Write a report, I will impose a resolution. ”
      Colonel-General pulled out a prepared report from his pocket. Stalin imposed a resolution. The petitioner began to thank warmly.
      “It is not worth gratitude,” said Stalin.
      After reading the resolution written on the report: “Return to the colonel his junk. I. Stalin, ”the general turned to the Supreme:“ There is a typo, comrade Stalin. I am not a colonel, but a colonel general. ”
      “No, everything is right here, Comrade Colonel,” answered Stalin.


      And more interesting:


      Once, Stalin was informed that Marshal Rokossovsky had a lover, and this was the famous beauty actress Valentina Serova. And, they say, what will we do with them now? Stalin took a pipe from his mouth, thought a little and said:
      - That we will, that we will ... we will envy!


      and further:

      After the war, Stalin found out that Professor K. had от wiped off ’an expensive summer cottage near Moscow. He called him to his place and asked: “Is it true that you built yourself a summer house for so many thousands ?!” “True, Comrade Stalin,” the professor replied. “Thank you very much from the orphanage to which you gave this summer cottage,” Stalin said and sent him to teach in Novosibirsk.
      1. AK64
        AK64 7 June 2016 09: 48
        +12
        After the war, Stalin found out that Professor K. had от wiped off ’an expensive summer cottage near Moscow. He called him to his place and asked: “Is it true that you built yourself a summer house for so many thousands ?!” “True, Comrade Stalin,” the professor replied. “Thank you very much from the orphanage to which you gave this summer cottage,” Stalin said and sent him to teach in Novosibirsk.


        This button accordion was torn so many times ...

        This story is usually told about the cottage of Papanin.
        Google on "Papanin dacha"
        1. 3agr9d0tryad
          3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 10: 52
          -3
          Quote: AK64
          This button accordion was torn so many times

          And once again they will tear, to step on the rake the national sport of the retro-Bolsheviks.
      2. razmik72
        razmik72 7 June 2016 14: 51
        +19
        And they also say that to the protests of the Turks about the inadmissibility of placing Mount Ararat on the emblem of the Armenian SSR (after the Kars Treaty of 1921 Mount Ararat belongs to Turkey), Comrade Stalin, calmly stuffing tobacco into a pipe, answered:
        "The moon is not yours, but it hangs on the flag of Turkey." smile
      3. Pavel bezhetsk
        Pavel bezhetsk 8 June 2016 16: 36
        +5
        From personal. My grandfather after the war was left in Germany as a specialist in the Stationary Aviation workshops in the city of Jüterborg (16th Air Army) until 1947. He himself witnessed how our generals and officers took out in wagons everything that they considered necessary. But all this continued until about 1946-1947. Then everything: a wagon arrived in Bialystok (then still part of the USSR) and confiscation in favor of the state. What with the owners of the cargo - the grandfather did not speak.
    2. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 10: 52
      -5
      Quote: Vasily50
      And in Stalin was a great and wise politician.

      Dzhugashvili was not a great, not even a smart politician.
      Would be at least a little smart, would not have allowed at least the 41-th year.
      But he was too obsessed with a thirst for power to adequately assess the reality surrounding him.
      1. Mordvin 3
        Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 11: 14
        +17
        Quote: 3agr9d0string
        Dzhugashvili was not, not a great, not even a smart politician

        Do you want me to give you a book? Written by the Commissar of the NKVD, A. Orlov (Lev Feldbin). It is called "The Secret History of Stalin's Crimes". At least you will know something about the bloody tyrant. And then your empty comments are already tired.
        1. 3agr9d0tryad
          3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 33
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          Quote: Mordvin 3
          Do you want me to give you a book?

          Thank you very much, but I have more books than you will have. hi
          I can advise you to read, for example, A. Geifman "Revolutionary Terror in Russia".
          You will learn a lot of new things, such as the fact that the Bolsheviks, who officially declared that they were fighting "against backward tsarism," planned and carried out both political and economic terrorist attacks, including in Europe.
          What does it even in countries (who would have thought!) Like France and the UK.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 11: 52
            +40
            Quote: 3agr9d0string
            I can advise you to read, for example, A. Geifman "Revolutionary Terror in Russia".

            Alas, I read it. Only for some reason, all these whistleblowers are entirely Jewish surnames. And why is it that they care about the Russian people?
            1. 3agr9d0tryad
              3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 12: 05
              -3
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              Only for some reason, all these whistleblowers are entirely Jewish surnames.

              To go nuts!
              So, the presence of Jewish surnames among the Bolsheviks does not bother you (and even Dzhugashvili, as anyone understands, is not Russian), and the Jewish surname of the historian bothers you!
              Are you a racist ?! Well, one of those who "decide for himself who is a Jew and who is not"?
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 12: 20
                +28
                I’ll even add that Anna Geifman, like Lev Feldbin, released their libel while in exile in the USA. This historian of yours called Russia the birthplace of terror. In her opinion, the Kennedy and the Bolsheviks killed.
                Quote: 3agr9d0string
                Are you a racist ?! Well, one of those who "decide for himself who is a Jew and who is not"?

                Yes, think what you want. Julius Caesar, too, the Russian Bolsheviks killed?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 12: 40
                  +12
                  And I’ll add that it was not for nothing that Stalin transplanted all these old Bolsheviks. It was they who first of all erected a monument to Judah on the island of Sviyazh. According to their merits, they were rewarded. It is a pity that only with the Countrywoman (comrade Devil) he did not work. Or maybe just spared. After all, the first female order bearer in Soviet Russia.
                  1. 3agr9d0tryad
                    3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 12: 48
                    .
                    Quote: Mordvin 3
                    that it was not for nothing that Stalin transplanted all these old Bolsheviks.

                    Come on, he himself was "this very old Bolshevik", one of the most devoted to the "Lenin cause" people.
                    And he removed not the "old Bolsheviks", but those who were less loyal to their beloved, which was completely in the spirit of Lenin's ideology.
                    1. Makarov
                      Makarov 7 June 2016 23: 59
                      +4
                      About Trotsky you are probably of the best opinion. Although if you talk about the Bolsheviks and do not divide them into Trotskyists and the rest, then obviously you are poorly versed not only in history, but also in geopolitics, and therefore your conversations are nothing more than an attempt to show your ignorance ... Do not bother. This is already evident.
                  2. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 7 June 2016 21: 07
                    -2
                    He not only spared her, Zemlyachka herself was considered an ardent Stalinist and she actively participated in the repression of the late 30s, and held very high posts. She was buried with state honors.
                    1. Sergej1972
                      Sergej1972 10 June 2016 11: 29
                      -1
                      Minus for what?)) This is a well-known fact. By all the criteria, the old Bolshevik and at the same time an ardent Stalinist. Molotov also belonged to such people.
                  3. justas-xnumx
                    justas-xnumx 8 June 2016 14: 06
                    +4
                    In fact, the "monument to Judas" is a simple misinformation of the white emigrants of the early 20s, no matter how much I looked, I did not find confirmation of this legend
                  4. Svidetel 45
                    Svidetel 45 8 June 2016 23: 06
                    +5
                    And Khrushchev overlooked, well, everyone, even Stalin, may have misses in his work, he is just an outstanding political figure of all times and peoples, but not God.
                  5. Sergej1972
                    Sergej1972 30 October 2018 14: 41
                    0
                    The compatriot herself took an active part in the repressions of the second half of the 30s.
                2. 3agr9d0tryad
                  3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 12: 46
                  .
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  being in the USA in exile.

                  Of course. They wrote in a free country, to write the truth in the USSR was not real.
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  This historian of yours called Russia the birthplace of terror.

                  Yes. Narodnaya Volya was the first terrorist organization in the world to use terror as a means to achieve political goals.
                  And it was not she who came up, this is the official position of world historical science.
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Julius Caesar, too, Russian Bolsheviks killed

                  Conspirators always killed individuals, including heads of state.
                  But we are talking about terror as a policy of massacres in order to achieve political goals.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 13: 16
                    +20
                    By order they wrote. In the same way, German generals printed their memoirs at the request of the United States, like the Russian winter was to blame for everything, and in general the Communists filled them with corpses, Germans. And, you, as a descendant of white emigrants, should know this.
                    1. 3agr9d0tryad
                      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 13: 26
                      -4
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      By order they wrote.

                      By order, they wrote only in the USSR and other totalitarian countries.
                      And I, as a person with an idea of ​​what the Soviet and Western social sciences are, I know this very well.
                    2. Mwg
                      Mwg 7 June 2016 19: 00
                      +14
                      For Mordvin 3. Do not argue with 3gr9d0tryad. He is a troll. And with the argument of the last century. Looks like his curator is a MI 6 pensioner since 1986)))
                  2. Jamuqa
                    Jamuqa 7 June 2016 16: 28
                    +32
                    USA free country ???? belay and fagots can you call fagots? and blacks are blacks ??? And call for the overthrow of the capitalist system and the establishment of a socialist? And there was no hunt for communists? And they told the truth about September 11? And about the assassination of Kennedy? I beg you ...
                    1. 3agr9d0tryad
                      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 17: 42
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                      Quote: Jamuha
                      Is the USA a free country?

                      Certainly.
                      Quote: Jamuha
                      And they told the truth about September 11, and about the Kennedy assassination?

                      Note, all the stories about the fact that "like the Americans themselves blew up skyscrapers" you know from the Americans themselves, and at the same time none of them was imprisoned.
                      Can you imagine that in the USSR they wrote about the "Holodomor"?
                      No? But no, and no trial!
                      Quote: Jamuha
                      And to call for the overthrow of the capitalist system and the establishment of a socialist?

                      And yes, is it possible to call for the overthrow of the system in at least some country ?!
                      Oh, noble Bolsheviks ate the brain of Russian people!
                      1. Makarov
                        Makarov 8 June 2016 00: 00
                        +10
                        And let's talk about concentration camps for the Japanese in the USA ...
                    2. justas-xnumx
                      justas-xnumx 8 June 2016 14: 08
                      0
                      I will add a little: no one suggested that the communists, their sympathizers (the so-called "pink"), as well as atheists, who openly expressed their thoughts and principles, should do a lobotomy.
                3. Petrik66
                  Petrik66 9 June 2016 11: 56
                  +1
                  Comrade Orlov - was not in exile in the United States. He is an ordinary traitor, a defector. But in the United States, he very carefully gave out information to new employers, so that they would not be put in zindan for his former heroes. But Stalin ordered that this ....... not be touched, because he understood that he would be silent about his real activities.
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                5. Felix99
                  Felix99 15 November 2016 08: 52
                  +1
                  You are wrong. Putin killed Kennedy. The Bolsheviks slaughtered Archimedes.
          2. russkiy redut
            russkiy redut 7 June 2016 14: 56
            +7
            In the history of England, first understand!
          3. cast iron
            cast iron 7 June 2016 21: 01
            +10
            Yes, you have no books, except for the yellow press. You accuse Stalin of allowing 1941, while all his "genius" colleagues in France, England, the United States admitted it in the same way back in 1938.
        2. Svidetel 45
          Svidetel 45 8 June 2016 23: 03
          +3
          That's right, Lev Feldbin is the author of this little book, and you take it for granted, like a baby porridge, without swallowing, that is, without even trying to analyze. The main thing is that Stalin is a "bloody dictator" in it, this appeals to you, apparently you are one of those whose relatives were also from the aforementioned category of "victims" of the tyrant.
      2. alicante11
        alicante11 7 June 2016 13: 09
        +14
        Would be at least a little smart, would not have allowed at least the 41-th year.


        Yeah, you would have been sent there, they would have driven Hitler all the way to Washington in the 39. Everyone imagines himself a strategist, seeing the battle from the side. Apparently, you not only never had to make responsible decisions in the conditions of non-obviousness, but even just play team-headquarters games. Try it after you get the bumps, you may become smarter.
        1. 3agr9d0tryad
          3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 13: 30
          .
          Quote: alicante11
          responsible decisions in non-obvious conditions

          What "non-obviousness" are you talking about ?!
          Both Germany’s reasons and goals in 2MB were practically no different from 1MB!
          How was it, we will have breakfast in Paris, and dinner in St. Petersburg?
          Therefore, yes, if Dzhugashvili had brains, he attacked Germany after her attack on France, as was calculated since 1MB.
          1. Mordvin 3
            Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 13: 51
            +6
            Quote: 3agr9d0string
            Therefore, yes, if Dzhugashvili had brains, he attacked Germany after her attack on France, as was calculated since 1MB.

            To save France again? Enough, in the First World War they were saved. In general, it was not necessary in the Patriotic 1812 to discourage the French from the destruction of Paris (they wanted to blow up, we dissuaded). Would blow up, and to hell with it. Ball-skiers.
            1. 3agr9d0tryad
              3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 17: 46
              -7
              Quote: Mordvin 3
              To save France again? Enough, in the First World War they were saved.

              Save YOURSELF first of all! Germany still attacked us (and this was expected with a probability of 100%), but we began to fight against it alone, and Dzhugashvili begged the allies to open a second front as soon as possible, wrote in Pravda “our failures are caused by the fact that our friends are pulling the opening of the second front ".
              Well, and so, what prevented him from opening it already in the 40th together with France (Britain would support), if we needed him so much ?!
          2. alicante11
            alicante11 7 June 2016 15: 21
            +5
            What "non-obviousness" are you talking about
            ?!

            Yes, there were a lot of them.
            Starting with the strategic, with whom we will fight, with the Anglo-French or Germans, or both, and ending with purely tactical ones. The Germans themselves planned the beginning of Barbarossa in May, and began at the end of June. And how many more false, erroneous, and truthful intelligence reports?
            In such a situation, you have to act very carefully. And as a result, it is not always possible to use all the available opportunities, as, for example, it was necessary to replace mobilization with a BUS. Because "mobilization is war."

            Therefore, yes, if Dzhugashvili had brains, he attacked Germany after her attack on France, as was calculated since 1MB.


            Yeah, to "save Paris" again with the blood of the Russian people? Nafig-nafig. And so time was won for the rearmament and reorganization of the Red Army. You look, Hitler will be frightened by 30MK and Ribbentrop will come again to sign a new treaty.
            Well, who could have expected that France, Europe’s strongest land power, would fall apart in a month? It is now easy for us to say with aftertaste. And try to tell someone about this in the 1939 year, you would be laughed at.
            1. 3agr9d0tryad
              3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 17: 51
              -3
              Quote: alicante11
              Yeah, to "save Paris" again with the blood of the Russian people?

              To shed less blood of Russian people saving Moscow!
              RI in 1MV had the least mobilized per 1000 people and the least wounded per 1000 mobilized, leaving the war the least affected of all those involved.
              But the USSR under the leadership of the Bolsheviks ?!
              Yes, only the Germans could throw the corpses and drape to Moscow, under the leadership of the thief Dzhugashvili and the butcher Zhukov!
        2. fennekRUS
          fennekRUS 7 June 2016 14: 46
          +4
          Quote: alicante11
          you might be smarter.

          It won't help, they won't. The very fact of the successful offensive of the Germans is the merit of their innovative developments. But the mantra about "corpses filled up" is not confirmed by either German or our archives. Combat losses of the USSR and Germany and Co. comparable. ps I can't give links to documents right now, behind a guest computer. But everything is on the net, in the public domain.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 7 June 2016 15: 23
            +7
            I can’t give links to documents now, at the guest computer. But everything is online, in the public domain.


            Yes, in the know. This "Pepsi generation" is not in the know. But, as you rightly said, it won't get any smarter. I am not speaking for this instance, but for others who may hesitate from its aplomb.
          2. 3agr9d0tryad
            3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 17: 53
            -4
            Quote: fennekRUS
            But the mantra about "corpses filled up" is not confirmed by either German or our archives.

            In the newspaper Pravda, for example, there was an article after the war, in which they wrote that "we have 20 times less men in the age of 30-2 than women of this age."
            You yourself will think briefly how much is this?
      3. russkiy redut
        russkiy redut 7 June 2016 14: 38
        +2
        How to prevent when the number 40 goes after 41? How could an atomic bomb be dropped on civilians?
      4. Dora2014
        Dora2014 7 June 2016 15: 37
        +2
        Well, where are you, these ... take something ?!
      5. Mwg
        Mwg 7 June 2016 18: 55
        +2
        For 3agr9d0tryad. Wow, where does such valuable infa come from? You probably visited a particularly secret archive? Or have Khrushchev and others like this been read? ))))
      6. Pancho
        Pancho 7 June 2016 20: 01
        0
        Quote: 3agr9d0string
        Would be at least a little smart, would not allow at least the 41st year

        And who do you think was smart and did not allow the 41st year?
      7. RAA
        RAA 7 June 2016 21: 43
        0
        Criminal talent!
      8. oracul
        oracul 29 November 2018 08: 25
        0
        Sorry, but you seem to live in a different world. The events that are actually taking place now around Russia cause many people to be puzzled that, for example, Putin V.V. does not show tough retaliatory actions against our enemies. But there are similarities with Stalin - both led the country: Stalin - after the wildest ruin during the Civil War and the threat of a new world war, Putin - after the dashing 90s, when the question arose of the final destruction of Russia. For both, the decisive factor in salvation for the good was the factor of time to prepare the country for rebuff. Documents of the Second World War indicate that the country with the maximum exertion of forces was preparing for war, but could not be avoided. In some ways, the conditions of our time are more complicated: everything is viewed, listened from the outside, inside at all levels and in all branches of power are pro-Westerners (legacy of perestroika and the 90s), hence the obstacles of bureaucracy and mass corruption in power, it’s open fifth Colon, there is betrayal and sabotage. Stalin was determined to put things in order (it was good to rely on the All-Union Communist Party (Bolsheviks) and the majority of the people), Putin is still trying to avoid blood and serious landings, but he does not have that support (stratification of society, lack of ideology) that Joseph Vissarionovich had .
    3. Pitot
      Pitot 7 June 2016 12: 40
      +1
      Fully support +++
    4. 11 black
      11 black 7 June 2016 21: 46
      -6
      Quote: Vasily50
      The more time passes, the more I become convinced that AND IN STALIN I was a great and wise politician. It is a pity that all subsequent leaders of the SOVIET UNION went along the path of Khrushchev. In modern RUSSIA Khrushchev’s followers in power. It is a pity that among them there is not one with an understanding of the development prospects of RUSSIA. In economics, * market * relations are an instrument, not a goal. And with historical events you need to be careful, the descendants will not * appreciate * the destruction and sale of the GREAT COUNTRY, and they will be right.

      And for example, I am convinced of the opposite.
      As an example - the construction of heavy cruisers of the 82 project Stalingrad, which took place on the personal order of Iosif Vissarionovich and under his control from 1951 to 1953 year, + a few more years of development of the project until 51 year. The bottom line is:
      The US fleet in the 50s, these are 10 battleships with 406mm main battery, more than 20 heavy cruisers Baltimore and Oregon, and especially three cruisers of the DeMoin project with fully automated main battery guns, which made it a deadly enemy even for more only drawn in the drawings "Stalingrad".
      And also 30 (THIRTY!) Heavy strike aircraft carriers, not counting the "little things".
      Not to mention the fact that back in 45, using the example of the Yamato, the world's heaviest battleship, the Americans showed the whole world who is the boss in the dispute between the aircraft and carrier-based aircraft.
      And in these conditions, Stalin makes (sorry - IDIOTSKY !!!) the decision to build three heavy cruisers of the 82 project ...
      Firstly, these ships could not withstand the aircraft carriers and would be immediately sunk by deck aircraft hundreds of kilometers before the AUG.
      Secondly, even without taking into account aircraft carriers, the amers had 10 LC with the 406 artillery, each of which would make a chop from Stalingrad, and more than 20 heavy cruisers, three of which are the ultramodern and deadly type of DeMoyne.
      In these conditions, at first the 2-3 of the year (minimum), shipbuilding engineers worked, hundreds, maybe thousands of engineers were engaged in the design of an unnecessary ship for several years.
      Further, from 1951 to 1953, these ships were built, dozens of enterprises were hunchbacked, a whole country was building an unnecessary ship. Absolutely absurd decision, years of missed opportunities and wasted efforts of the whole country! And from the very beginning it was clear to everyone except Stalin!
      Naturally, after the death of Stalin, the construction of these ships was immediately canceled. Because how to finish and send them into battle against the US Navy as part of any formation which the Navy of the USSR could provide would be nothing more than a sophisticated form of killing their own sailors and officers!
      However, this speaks of both Stalin's "genius" and his "authority" - everyone, ALL Admirals and the command of the fleet understood perfectly well that Stalin was proposing to build an unnecessary, expensive and complex colossus that the whole country would have to build to the detriment of something really valuable ( the same resources would be yes for submarines or destroyers ... which could really come in handy) unable to fight or change anything, and no one, NOBODY could explain this to Stalin, common sense gave way to the personal opinion of Joseph Vissarionovich ... he is a lot I did it, I don’t argue, but I also did it ...
      1. propaganda NO
        propaganda NO 8 June 2016 12: 45
        +5
        Another legend was sucked from the finger in order to belittle Stalin. It is disgusting to read such conclusions made after 100-40 years. All great tacticians and strategists are one ignorant Stalin. As soon as he was able to raise the country and won a victory in the Second World War, he made the country a superpower and made an atomic bomb, and space was mastered after half a dozen years after the complete devastation in the country from the war, etc. etc. Oh yes, I forgot, all this is on the bones and blood of "illegally ruined" people!
      2. your1970
        your1970 8 June 2016 18: 29
        +2
        and these heavy cruisers must have immediately rushed to the AUG with war ???

        And for example, to go around the Baltic, so that the entire coast (sprats, Scandinavians, Finns, Germans) sees what - it is NOT possible to speak !! because the OWNER is in place (and with heavy drin !!!) - such a task did not stand (by the way, it’s still quite currently relevant !!!)
        1. 11 black
          11 black 9 June 2016 15: 52
          -4
          Quote: Propaganda NO
          Another legend was sucked from the finger in order to belittle Stalin. It is disgusting to read such conclusions made after 100-40 years. All great tacticians and strategists are one ignorant Stalin. As soon as he was able to raise the country and won a victory in the Second World War, he made the country a superpower and made an atomic bomb, and space was mastered after half a dozen years after the complete devastation in the country from the war, etc. etc. Oh yes, I forgot, all this is on the bones and blood of "illegally ruined" people!


          Well, what exactly is "sucked from the finger"? Show! And correct the mistakes, otherwise it's really disgusting to read ...

          Quote: your1970
          and these heavy cruisers must have immediately rushed to the AUG with war ???

          And for example, to go around the Baltic, so that the entire coast (sprats, Scandinavians, Finns, Germans) sees what - it is NOT possible to speak !! because the OWNER is in place (and with heavy drin !!!) - such a task did not stand (by the way, it’s still quite currently relevant !!!)


          You see, our ground forces and bombers with an atomic bomb were much better at this goal, and Stalingrad was faced with the task of fighting enemy heavy cruisers, as it was written in the terms of reference for its development!
          However, the Yusovites had the world's most powerful carrier fleet and 10 battleships which reduced to pure suicide any attempt of Stalingrad to attack these forces.
          And the DeMoin-class cruisers were an extremely dangerous enemy. As for "ordinary" heavy cruisers, I repeat, the Yusovites had over 20.
          That is, the construction of Stalingrad was absolutely aimless, but enormous forces and resources, years of labor of dozens of industrial enterprises and design bureaus were expended on it. These forces could be thrown at something useful, but Stalin personally decided on the construction of these unnecessary ships. Nobody could challenge this decision, although the military and even the engineers perfectly understood that it was absurd - no one began to argue with Stalin ...
          In general, I repeat, I could make the decision to build large artillery ships after the Second World War - they don’t speak badly about the dead, but watch this video, but rather read the history of the battleship Yamato.

          https://youtu.be/Eew8_xkT3J0

          If, in spite of everything, they decided to build a heavy ship, then it’s decisive only an aircraft carrier, at least an escort but an aircraft carrier, and not 1, but a series - otherwise there will be no sense, but no - heavy cruiserhuge target ...
          1. propaganda NO
            propaganda NO 9 June 2016 16: 52
            +1
            Indicate the source of information! I read at my leisure.
          2. Number 17
            Number 17 10 June 2016 15: 28
            +1
            Believe it or not. I will explain why a ship of this class was needed. It was built not to fight aug. It was needed as an advertisement for the power of the USSR fleet and the socialist system. Yes it sounds silly but just a business card. I sometimes sometimes can’t understand one thing, it’s not only an appeal to you. It’s enough to argue about what is stronger than aug or battleships. The question is where will the collision take place in the open ocean or will the battleship be located offshore where it can be covered by its own fighter aaac ??????
            1. 11 black
              11 black 12 June 2016 09: 29
              0
              Quote: number 17
              Believe it or not. I will explain why a ship of this class was needed. It was built not to fight aug. It was needed as an advertisement for the power of the USSR fleet and the socialist system.

              Why not build an aircraft carrier to advertise the power of the socialist system? Why build an absolutely unnecessary ship? And is the price of its construction too high for advertising purposes?
              Quote: number 17
              I sometimes sometimes can’t understand one thing, it’s not only an appeal to you. It’s enough to argue about what is stronger than aug or battleships.

              Do you still have doubts?
              Quote: number 17
              The question is where will the collision take place in the open ocean or will the battleship be located offshore where it can be covered by its own fighter aaac ??????

              At such a distance, it is much easier to attack the enemy with your bomber aircraft and torpedo bombers, I repeat - even without the 10 aircraft of the US battleships against the 3-4 Stalingrad ...
              In addition, to cover the ship at a distance of at least 100-150 km from the coast is a very difficult task, aircraft will arrive with half-empty tanks and fly away after a few minutes. THIS SHIP WAS NOT NEEDED.
  2. moskowit
    moskowit 7 June 2016 06: 35
    +12
    "... Nowadays, for similar crimes, they usually get off with reprimands ..." Or even moving "horizontally." The bureaucratic and other more or less powerful "caste", even made up partially of cattle, and it has always been, is and will be, still possessing the instinct of self-preservation, is trying by all measures to take people like themselves out of the blow or soften it as much as possible.
    And as for the degradation and loss of professional honor among the notorious "elite", I am tired of writing and talking about it. Remember, dear friends, the Vietnamese dragon tale ...
    I will give one example. After the capture of Ishmael, when the soldiers received, as usual, the opportunity to reward themselves for risk and military labor, the officers bought things of artistic value from them. None of the officers even considered using the right of the winner. It has always been like this in the Russian Imperial Army!
  3. Shiva83483
    Shiva83483 7 June 2016 06: 37
    +17
    Vissarionich was harsh, not to be taken away, BUT ... the rule is that it was taken with the battle, then sacredly honored, for the collection of "zipuns" was given three days, after who did not hide, I am not to blame ... well, with tales about a bloody tyrant, let demshizuha scares itself - no one canceled the paravoz to Vorkuta, and there they are divided for twenty-five years especially for those who distinguished themselves, I think they were cut for a long time ...
    1. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 10: 54
      .
      Quote: Shiva83483
      -What taken from the battle, then sacredly revered

      What kind of rule is this? Was this the case during the Mongol invasion?
  4. Odysseus
    Odysseus 7 June 2016 06: 42
    +24
    That's right, great article. Comrade Stalin fought, etc.
    But the article describes, in fact, a huge and terrible, still unsolved problem.
    The stability of Socialism is impossible without socialist-minded and educated people. Especially when the canonical Marxist scheme (the victory of communism in the most developed capitalist countries) turned out to be wrong and we built socialism in poor Russia surrounded by a hostile capitalist circle.
    Naturally, it’s impossible to educate such people in 15-20 years, which is what we see in this article. And it’s also obvious that non-socialist-educated people will strive by any means upstairs, even in the social community. And it’s quite logical, that having risen from peasants and workers in the first generation they will serve more or less honestly (especially under the threat of prison smile ), but further "settling down" they will already be burdened by the Soviet way of life.
    They will strive to dismantle the socialism that prevents the new Soviet "elite" from enjoying all the benefits and incomes that their colleagues from the capitalist countries have.
    And this is exactly what happened in practice - the leadership of the CPSU Central Committee "dismantled" socialism and privatized the former public property.
    In short, the party is the vanguard of a society that educates this society, but how and most importantly, who will educate educators?
    1. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 7 June 2016 07: 30
      +31
      Another example to think about:
      In mid-1948, among other generals — trophies and flea market generals — General Vladimir Kryukov — a colleague (and as a friend states) Marshal Zhukov G.K. was arrested.
      Almost simultaneously with him, his wife Lidia Ruslanova, who was charged under Article 58 of the Criminal Code of the RSFSR, was also arrested, she was also accused of robbery and the appropriation of trophy property on a large scale, which at the end of the war, her husband, General Kryukov, transferred himself to Moscow ( furniture, paintings, jewelry).
      The Kryukov-Ruslanov family had: two dachas, three apartments, four cars, antique furniture, kilometers of trophy fabrics, hundreds of astrakhan and sable skins, pianos, accordions, dinner sets, 123 unique paintings by Russian artists. (it must be assumed that all this was acquired by "honest overwork"). During a second search, 208 diamonds and many other jewelry were found in the singer's cache. During interrogations, Lydia Ruslanova did not hide the fact that even before the war she began to collect "stones", and did it with passion, however, during the investigation it was established that almost all of these stones were "collected" during the war and after it, both in the USSR and and in defeated Germany. How and from whom the jewelry was obtained, I suppose, there is no need to explain. The confiscated jewelry was sent to the Gokhran, the paintings - to museums and galleries, including the Tretyakov Gallery.
      After the death of Stalin, in August 1948, Zhukov achieved a review of the case and rehabilitation of both Ruslanova herself and her husband Kryukov.
      And I.V. Stalin, himself being an ascetic in life, in the fight against corruption, the desire to illegally enrich himself in any way, embezzlement, etc., did not make any difference between the famous marshal, who became a marauder and the famous folk singer, who was carried away by "collecting stones." But with his death, any struggle against the growing appetites of the party nomenklatura and the emerging new Soviet "elite" was practically stopped. Which ultimately led to a natural ending in 1991.
      1. V.ic
        V.ic 7 June 2016 07: 43
        +7
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        After the death of Stalin, in August 1948

        I.V. Stalin died in March 1953.
        1. alekc75
          alekc75 7 June 2016 08: 37
          0
          yes something he confuses numbers !!!
        2. Aleksandr72
          Aleksandr72 7 June 2016 08: 46
          +6
          Of course, I know that Joseph Vissarionovich died on March 5, 1953 at the Middle cottage in Kuntsevo. It was understood that after his death, already in August 1953 the criminal case of Ruslovna and her husband was revised. It was a technical error on my part. I repent, to blame.
      2. semirek
        semirek 7 June 2016 07: 56
        .
        Dear Alexander, for some reason you forgot to mention one detail in the case of Kryukov-Ruslanova: if General Kryukov was arrested for the trivial theft of trophy property, where everything is just a criminal, but the general is kept in dungeons in constant torture (fingers were broken), for why, in order to extract confessions of embezzlement, it’s absurd, but can it really be dug up by Marshal Zhukov, on charges of conspiracy to overthrow Stalin? -type is the case of Marshals 37-2.A Ruslanova, who kept these kilometers of fabrics under the bed? It would be honest if you have listed all the marshals and generals (flea marketers, as you called them) from the Zhukov case. By the way, Stalin died in 53.
        And I would not call the great Russian commander a marauder, I think this is an insult to his name and those glorious victories of Russian (Soviet) weapons.
        1. 3agr9d0tryad
          3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 04
          .
          Quote: semirek
          but the general is kept in dungeons in constant torture (fingers were broken), why, in order to beat out confessions of embezzlement?

          No.
          It was just that the executioners of Dzhugashvili were tortured for the sake of torture, in the same way as the Bolsheviks had earlier committed political attacks for the sake of terrorist attacks.
          (95% of political terrorists did not read either the party program or Marx, they simply believed that by killing the "wrong" people they make the world a better place)
          1. russkiy redut
            russkiy redut 7 June 2016 14: 52
            +5
            Keep your opinion to yourself! Stalin is a true patriot, history has shown he wanted peace and prosperity of the USSR. He did everything with justice!
            1. 3agr9d0tryad
              3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 18: 13
              -3
              Quote: russkiy redut
              history showed he wanted peace and prosperity of the USSR.

              You are sure to tell the tens of millions of Russian people who died during the years of his reign.
          2. Makarov
            Makarov 8 June 2016 00: 06
            0
            personally saw and knew who and what read?
        2. Svetlana
          Svetlana 7 June 2016 18: 13
          +4
          Quote: semirek
          And I would not call the great Russian commander a marauder, I think this is an insult to his name and those glorious victories of Russian (Soviet) weapons.

          Comrade Stalin himself did not stoop to insults even traitors, and specifically Zhukov gave the opportunity to atone for his crimes, including the betrayal of the motherland at the beginning of the war, with his talent as a commander, not taking out the dirty linen from the hut, although he could have shot quite lawfully. But Zhukov, although he still brought a lot of benefits during the war, did not really appreciate such a gift in the form of his life.
      3. tveritianin
        tveritianin 7 June 2016 08: 46
        +3
        Stalin died on March 5, 1953, dear
      4. semirek
        semirek 7 June 2016 13: 04
        -3
        I don’t like two-faced people: I’m Alexander 72 about you. Today you praise these people, tomorrow you’re pouring mud. About Ruslanova, in the USSR the pre-war and post-war period there wasn’t such a popular and beloved singer as Lidia Ruslanova, who performed exclusively Russian folk songs, hundreds of concerts per year, gramophone records went out in a circulation of hundreds of thousands, respectively, the fees corresponded to talent, she had a gorgeous apartment in Moscow before the war and a collection of paintings for a hundred pieces, there were plenty of jewelry, Ruslanova bought two Katyusha batteries for the front with her money, she spent on the fronts with concerts the floor of the war, raising the morale of the fighters, even the Germans stopped shooting to listen to Ruslanova’s voice - and you are trying to imagine a Russian folk singer as a thief of trophy values ​​- complete Russophobia, Regarding the hero of the Soviet Union General Kryukov - one car was presented to the Supreme Commander , the second is bought with the permission of the commander of the troops in Germany, the pilots who shot down a German plane they paid 2000 rubles - the car Victory cost 6000 rubles, and if the pilot shot down 10 aircraft, he is already a rich man. A general in Germany received 30000 marks — enough of this money to buy both furniture and a car to bring home after the end of the service. By the way, during a search of Kryukov, they found all supporting documents for all purchases made in Germany — nothing was found illegal, and since then the arrest of Kryukov and Ruslanova is illegal, and had only one purpose — to testify against Marshal Zhukov in any way. If I’m wrong, refute my words and do not hide like an ostrich.
        1. Aleksander
          Aleksander 7 June 2016 13: 47
          +1
          Quote: semirek
          then the arrest of Kryukov and Ruslanova is illegal, and had only one purpose, in any way to testify against Marshal Zhukov

          Exactly so, the same goal was pursued by the arrests and torture of Air Marshal Novikov, General Telegin, adjutant Zhukov and many other officers from Zhukov's entourage.
          1. your1970
            your1970 14 June 2016 23: 07
            +1
            To the question of honesty and decency
            A bit long but just plain
            “I immediately contacted IV Markov, chief engineer of the ADD. He informed me that there were no planes presented by the factories or not accepted at the factory airfields. I immediately reported this to Stalin by telephone.
            - You can come? - Stalin asked.
            - I can, Comrade Stalin.
            - Please come.
            Upon entering the office, I saw General PF Zhigarev, the Commander of the Air Force, there, who was hotly proving to Stalin. Having listened to the conversation, I realized that we are talking about a large number of aircraft standing at factory aerodromes. These planes were allegedly submitted to military acceptance, but were not accepted, as they said then, “in combat,” that is, they were not capable, they had various technical defects.
            The general finished his speech with the words:
            - And Shakhurin (People's Commissar of Aviation Industry - A.G.) is lying to you, Comrade Stalin.
            “Well, let’s call Shakhurin,” said Stalin. He pressed the button - Poskrebyshev entered.
            - Ask Shakhurin to come, - Stalin ordered.
            “And then came Zhigarev's confident voice:
            - I am responsible, Comrade Stalin, reporting that the planes in the factories are not ready for battle.
            - What do you say? - turned Stalin to Shakhurin.
            “After all, it is easy to check, Comrade Stalin,” he answered. “You have straight wires here.” Give the task that you personally, each factory director reported on the number of combat-ready aircraft. We add these numbers and get the total number.
            - Perhaps, correctly. So let's do it, ”Stalin agreed. Zhigarev intervened in the dialogue:
            - It is imperative that the telegrams along with the directors of the factories sign and military representatives.
            “That is also correct,” said Stalin.
            He called Poskrebyshev and gave him relevant instructions ... I must say that the organization of communication with Stalin was excellent. Very little time passed, and telegrams from factories signed by directors and military representatives were laid on the table. Finished the count and General Seleznev, who did not know about the conversations that were going on before him.
            - How many planes are in factories? - turned Stalin to Poskrebyshev.
            “Seven hundred and one,” he answered.
            - And you? - Stalin asked, turning to Seleznev.
            “I got seven hundred and two,” answered Seleznev.
            - Why they are not overtaken? - again, turning to Seleznev, Stalin asked.
            “Because there are no crews,” answered Seleznev.

            The answer, and most importantly, his intonation did not cause any doubt that the lack of crews in the factories is a question that has long been known.
            I am not a writer, however, it seems to me that a writer, even a very talented one, could not convey the impression that General Seleznev made an answer, all those emotions that were reflected in the faces of those present, I can’t make comparisons, because even the famous scene Gogol's comedy after the remark: “The auditor is coming to us” is incomparable with what I saw then in Stalin’s office. It is incomparable, primarily because there was a living, but sad reality. All those present, including Stalin, froze and stood motionless, and only one Seleznev calmly looked at all of us, not understanding what was the matter ... It lasted quite a long time.
            No one, even Shahurin, who was right, dared to continue the conversation. He was, as they say, ready for battle, but he himself, apparently, was surprised by the simplicity and truthfulness of the answer.
            The case was clearly unprecedented. Will there be something now ?! ”
            I’ll clarify the situation again. Air Force Commander General P.F. Zhigarev directly in the office of Stalin brazenly lied to the Supreme. 701 one serviceable aircraft are in factories because crews are not sent to pick up these aircraft.
          2. your1970
            your1970 14 June 2016 23: 09
            0
            Extension
            “I looked at Stalin. He was pale and looked with wide open eyes at Zhigarev, apparently with difficulty comprehending what had happened. It was felt that he was stunned not by why such a huge number of aircraft were still not at the front, that he knew that only the reasons were unknown, but the conviction and confidence with which the general was telling a lie.
            Finally, the face of Stalin turned pink, it was clear that he pulled himself together. Turning to A. I. Shakhurin and N. P. Seleznev, he thanked them and said goodbye. I wanted to follow their example, but Stalin stopped me with a gesture. He slowly approached the general. His hand began to rise. “Will it really strike?” - a thought flashed through my mind.
            - Scoundrel! - with an expression of deepest contempt Stalin said and lowered his hand. “Get out!”

            ONCE AGAIN I REMEMBER - 701 AIRCRAFT didn’t hit the front (the beginning of the war was not in 1945, the PTR was almost divided by pieces near Moscow, but then the air army is idle) !!!!!!!
            Joseph Vissarionovich called his beloved executioners and they chopped off the heads of both nonsense .. And Golovanov for the company, just in case ... well, or dig channels to the extreme. No? Strange ..
            FOR LITTER !!! To the Supreme and for not receiving combat aircraft during the WAR (701 aircraft .. !!!!!):
            P.F. Zhigarev 29 June 1941 year appointed commander of the Air Force of the Red Army. Headed the Air Force during the most difficult first period of World War II. He was directly involved in the planning and leadership of the military operations of Soviet aviation in the Battle of Moscow. Colonel General of Aviation (22.10.1941) .From April 1942 of the year - Commander of the Air Forces of the rear Far Eastern Front. Since June 1945, he has been the commander of the 10 Air Force. In August 1945, the army took part in the Soviet-Japanese war in the zone of the forces of the Second Far Eastern Front in Manchuria, and provided military operations on Sakhalin and the Kuril Islands.
            In April 1946, Zhigarev was appointed first deputy commander of the USSR Air Force [1]. Since 1948 of the year - Commander of Long-Range Aviation - Deputy Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force.
            Since September 1949 - Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force. since April 1953 - Commander-in-Chief of the Air Force - Deputy (since March 1955 - First Deputy) Minister of Defense of the USSR. Marshal of Aviation (3.08.1953/11.03.1955/1957). Chief Marshal of Aviation (1959/XNUMX/XNUMX). Since January XNUMX - Head of the Main Directorate of the Civil Air Fleet of the USSR. Since November XNUMX - Head of the Military Command Academy of Air Defense.
            All sorts of generals were found in our country

            So that they punish me so much for lies ...
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      5. Odysseus
        Odysseus 7 June 2016 20: 52
        0
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        And I.V. Stalin, himself being an ascetic in life, in the fight against corruption, the desire to illegally enrich himself in any way, embezzlement, etc., did not make any difference between the famous marshal, who became a marauder and the famous folk singer, who was carried away by "collecting stones." But with his death, any struggle against the growing appetites of the party nomenklatura and the emerging new Soviet "elite" was practically stopped. Which ultimately led to a natural ending in 1991.

        This is all true and good, but we cannot base the entire building of socialism on the qualities of one person. Of course, it is wonderful to have such a person, but, on the whole, it is worthless.
    2. Mestny
      Mestny 7 June 2016 09: 17
      +4
      This is a problem in general for all of humanity, in principle. Man is essentially an animal basis with an uncompromising fierce struggle for survival, covered with a thin film of civilization in the concepts of justice and humanity in the name of a higher harmonious development of civilization.
      As soon as external regulators in the form of inevitability of punishment cease to operate, the overwhelming majority of people immediately forget about civilization, and begin the battle with each other in strict accordance with the survival programs laid down by nature itself.
      In short, it is impossible, in principle, to build a truly intelligent society on the basis of equality, capitalism, or spirituality. If only because there are always very few carriers of understanding the device. Alas, beautiful worlds are impossible, such as "Noon, XXI century" by the Strugatskys, and the like. And the great star empires of A. Asimov are not possible for the same reason.

      Honestly, if I were, for example, Fomenko, or someone else, I would say something like this: Arrived to us once upon a time, took our ancestors, twisted something in their genes to understand the speech of the creators, worked and multiplied, they got what they needed there - and screwed it back.
      And we were left with our truncated mind, and now we are trying to build a civilization, all in a circle, until the next world war.
      And only the indestructible, reinforced concrete installation in our brains about the infallible omnipotent gods continues to work, as was stipulated by the program. But strangely enough, as soon as she is gone, civilization, even such, will not be.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 7 June 2016 21: 07
        0
        Quote: Mestny
        Man is essentially an animal basis with an uncompromising fierce struggle for survival, covered with a thin film of civilization in the concepts of justice and humanity in the name of a higher harmonious development of civilization.

        There is a contradiction - if the basis of man is in an uncompromising fierce struggle for survival, where did the ideal of "the highest harmonious development of civilization" come from? And then man stood out from the animal world, just within the framework of cooperation between different individuals of the human species, and not within the framework of a "fierce struggle for survival."
        Quote: Mestny
        As soon as external regulators in the form of inevitability of punishment cease to operate, the overwhelming majority of people immediately forget about civilization, and begin the battle with each other in strict accordance with the survival programs laid down by nature itself.

        This is a very gloomy and, IMHO, unrealistic model of human society. Laws are a recent invention, and "inevitability of punishment" is still absent in most societies, but humanity does not at all arrange battles of all against all and civilization does not disappear.
        I wrote about something else, just in spite of your pessimism it was possible to educate the masses, so much so that the anti-Soviets are still howling about the indestructibility of the "scoop."
        It was not possible, in a hostile capital environment, to fully educate and control the "enlightened avant-garde." The problem is not in the masses, but in the "elite."
    3. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 00
      .
      Quote: Odyssey
      The stability of Socialism is impossible without socialist-minded and educated people.

      Yes, the building of communism was physically impossible, because this "garbage" nafig was not needed by the vast majority of people at that time! (and now too)
      The Bolsheviks understood this very well, so immediately after the coup d'etat they declared a "red terror" to all "representatives of reaction", deciding to be ahead of the curve in order to physically destroy all "non-socialist-minded".
      Quote: Odyssey
      it is impossible to educate such people in 15-20 years

      Yes. The Bolsheviks destroyed tens of millions of "wrong people" but human nature still took its toll, the bulk of the population of Russia is against the Bolsheviks!
      1. alicante11
        alicante11 7 June 2016 13: 15
        +2
        Yes, the building of communism was physically impossible, because this "garbage" nafig was not needed by the vast majority of people at that time! (and now too)


        Not the "overwhelming majority", but a bunch of rich people and their sixes.

        Yes. The Bolsheviks killed tens of millions of "wrong people"


        Why not billions? Solzhetser's laurels haunt? Like above resunoid laurels?
        You compare with the number of people killed by the Western project, from the Indians to the Libyans and Syrians. But these are your favorite capitalists.
        1. 3agr9d0tryad
          3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 13: 33
          -7
          Quote: alicante11
          Not the "overwhelming majority", but a bunch of rich people and their sixes.

          What kind of rich people are you talking about?
          About those from whom the Bolsheviks took the only cow?
          Or about those who received normal wages at the factory, and not food on coupons ?!
          Quote: alicante11
          Why not billions?

          Because you don’t have to rave, but you need to know the history of your country.
          Quote: alicante11
          Western project

          What is this "project"? conspiracy theories again?
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 7 June 2016 15: 30
            +3
            What kind of rich people are you talking about?


            About the current oligarchs and top managers, about the past grand dukes and large owners.

            About those from whom the Bolsheviks took the only cow?


            No, about those who took the herd of cows.

            Or about those who received normal wages at the factory, and not food on coupons ?!


            And here is more detailed about the "normal salary" in capitalist factories. Preferably with numbers. And also with the working conditions at these factories.

            Because you don’t have to rave, but you need to know the history of your country.


            Here you follow your own advice. And then there will be tens of millions destroyed. Only about 2 million people passed through the Gulag. And this is not only 58. Plus a million 3 dispossessed. But there, far from everyone died, and most of them settled down well in new places.

            What is this "project"? conspiracy theories again?


            Capitalism, my young "historian". However, even before capitalism, the West was still that killer - some crusades are worth something. But the capitalists have already put the destruction on the stream en masse.
            1. 3agr9d0tryad
              3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 18: 02
              -3
              Quote: alicante11
              About the current oligarchs and top managers

              Oh my God?! So who tens of millions died of starvation in the USSR, the current oligarchs!
              It would be ridiculous to go nuts if it weren’t so scary!
              Quote: alicante11
              No, about those who took the herd of cows.

              Yes, even 100500 herds of cows.
              Cows cannot be taken at all, this is the sanctity of private property rights, it is clear to everyone except the descendants of the cows and the drunken forever drunken.
              And yes, most often they took that last thing, both the cow and the bread.
              Quote: alicante11
              And here is more detailed about the "normal salary" in capitalist factories.

              Yes, even read Khrushchev, if only he had something to lie about how he lived with the king ?!
              Quote: alicante11
              Only about 2 million people passed through the Gulag.

              So lying is not good, you can inadvertently meet with them in the next world.
              1. Mordvin 3
                Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 18: 18
                +5
                Quote: 3agr9d0string
                Yes, even read Khrushchev, if only he had something to lie about how he lived with the king ?!

                Khrushchev just left the whole Ryazan region without cows. He wanted to overtake America by meat in one five-year period.
                We caught up with America in milk production,
                And they didn’t catch up with meat, a member broke at a bull.
                Innovative maize.
    4. Svetlana
      Svetlana 7 June 2016 18: 03
      +2
      Quote: Odyssey
      Naturally, it’s impossible to educate such people in 15-20 years, which we see signs in this article. It is also obvious that people who are not socialistically educated will strive by any means to go up even in the social community.

      Georgy Sidorov has a book on this topic: "The Leader's Secret Project or Neo-Stalinism." There are answers to your questions and, perhaps, the author of this article read this book. The main idea of ​​the article is taken, perhaps, from there. Or from the same sources as G. Sidorov.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 7 June 2016 20: 39
        0
        Quote: Svetlana
        Georgy Sidorov has a book on this topic: "The Leader's Secret Project or Neo-Stalinism." There are answers to your questions and, perhaps, the author of this article read this book.

        Thank you. I have not read it. Be sure to get acquainted.
    5. gladcu2
      gladcu2 7 June 2016 18: 14
      +1
      Odysseus

      Correctly the question was raised.

      I.V. Stalin connects the stability of the social state only with the growth of education. Presumably morality should become the basis of society. But so far, that practice has not confirmed the territory.
      1. Odysseus
        Odysseus 7 June 2016 20: 47
        0
        Quote: gladcu2
        I.V. Stalin connects the stability of the social state only with the growth of education.

        This is true, but it is too general, Lenin, as you know, bequeathed to Learn, etc. Education in itself does not protect itself from the temptation to appropriate public property. Education is primarily important for educating the masses, and here is another specific problem -How to educate educated educators?
        Quote: gladcu2
        Presumably morality should become the basis of society.

        I also agree, but what morality? Under capitalism, morality is one, under socialism is completely different, and how to achieve that the country's leadership was moral? Especially in the face of the temptations of the capital environment. The question arises of control — who will control the vanguard of society?
  5. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 7 June 2016 06: 46
    +18
    Human nature is the same at all times. The main thing in time to put a barrier to eagerness. I.V. Stalin managed to do this, regardless of his face. hi
  6. demotivator
    demotivator 7 June 2016 06: 47
    +18
    Correct article and correct estimates. The decline of a country begins with the decay of its elite. Stalin understood this well and fought it in every possible way. It is a pity that the current leadership on this issue is too liberal in relation to corrupt officials. The cases of Serdyukova and Vasilyeva clearly demonstrated this. Every day in our country, someone is arrested for bribes and embezzlement of state funds, or quietly dismissed from work. However, there have never been any real landings. The figurants, as a rule, get off with a slight fright. But this current "elite" is completely unbelted. Her over-aged children, insolently, disdaining all Russian laws and regulations, defiantly drive expensive cars around Moscow, knowing that rich daddies will still get rid of their responsibility. Well, how far will we go forward with such, if I may say so, elite?
    1. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 07
      .
      Quote: demotivator
      The decline of a country begins with the decay of its elite. Stalin understood this well and struggled with it in every way.

      Funny, honestly!
      The decay of the elite in Russia began when this very “decayed elite” seized power in Russia as a result of the October putsch.
      Therefore, Dzhugashvili, if he could fight, it was only with those who were just about to fight the corruption of the elite!
  7. semirek
    semirek 7 June 2016 07: 11
    .
    The Soviet (Russian) generals defeated the most powerful army — Hitler’s army, so could they, the winners of the Nazi beast, for their merits not get hold of the property of the defeated enemy, for the most part Soviet, the generals had no property except their tunic I have a father, the captain brought gifts to his sisters in a remote Siberian village. Abakumov appears in the article, as it turned out later - he turned out to be an enemy of the people, therefore all his activities as Minister of State Security were sabotage and subversive against the USSR and the case of the generals was fabricated by him, to harm the USSR.
    I emphasize: in any normal country, the elite of society is the military, and to stimulate their loyalty and devotion to the ranks, it is necessary by material infusions, and not fear, to get into the camps, for which, for some reason, the party’s elite was considered to be the party’s elite society the nomenclature which itself did not refuse anything, the result is known to all of us, the death of the USSR.
    1. Egoza
      Egoza 7 June 2016 07: 43
      +27
      Quote: semirek
      in any normal country, the elite of society is the military, and to stimulate their loyalty and devotion to the system, you need material injections,

      My minus. "Material infusions" are echelons with "trophies"? Is this further speculation? The husband of the singer L. Ruslanova, Major General Kryukov, took out a jewelry store from Berlin ... yes, Ruslanova is a great singer, she had many merits, but why did the artists of the Bolshoi Theater have to push the bruliks at an exorbitant price? That's why she was put in prison with her husband - for SPECULATION. Later they made political repressed from them. It was GREED that the military tried to curb I.V. Stalin.
      And you, personally, have never been indignant that in the future, not at the time of Stalin, the generals removed building materials from their units, took soldiers to build dachas? Surely the general had such a small salary that he could not buy building materials? Could not hire workers? And it all started with those very trophies.
      1. semirek
        semirek 7 June 2016 08: 55
        -8
        Minus the weather will not do, but I'm not about that, all these tales about trains, tell your grandchildren at night how you can withdraw and why, a train with junk, bypassing all the inspections and posts of Smersh and NKVD from a foreign country, even occupied by us, by the way all marshals and generals had a fabulous salary in stamps while in Germany, but with one condition - to spend money only in the occupied territory - it makes sense to steal, if you can buy, draw a conclusion. I did not advise you to collect gossip and speculation of those years, I mean generals- "hoarders", it's like Vysotsky - rumors go around the houses, but toothless old women carry them to minds, don't you know how the affairs of that era were fabricated?
        Regarding the post-Stalinist generals — why the Soviet general himself, a party member could not build a free cottage — secretaries of different levels built their own mansions at the state expense, and why I should have been indignant — I lived in the Soviet Union — in the most honest country in the world, not in today's Russia.
        1. gladcu2
          gladcu2 7 June 2016 18: 30
          +4
          semirek

          The area secretaries did not have cottages that match your descriptions. I was familiar with their way of life, through common school friends.

          The usual 9 acres, a small brick house. With commensurate with the life of a locksmith from the factory.

          November 1980, XNUMX
      2. V.ic
        V.ic 7 June 2016 09: 47
        +6
        Quote: Egoza
        not in the days of Stalin, did the generals take out building materials from their own units, take soldiers to build dachas?

        Have they built at least something in Soviet times? Being in the Far East, he built two woodcutters. For lumber (croaker) I drove a government-owned car to a sawmill in the village (6 km. From the garrison), all the w / c bottle, including zampotech for the car, and cookies for the soldier-driver. In selmag only nails and awnings. Clear water corruption and corruption of personnel! Although no! He built everything himself, after the service and until dark until the nail is visible.
      3. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 7 June 2016 11: 31
        +4
        My grandfather took a razor from Berlin; during the assault, he found a broken hairdresser, and lost an old razor somewhere. I took it to myself.
      4. sunzhenets
        sunzhenets 7 June 2016 11: 34
        +12
        I will add that a part of the values ​​seized from Mr. Kryukov together with Mr. Ruslanova was exchanged for products in besieged Leningrad.
        semirek RU Today, 07:11 AM New
        ... for the most part Soviet, generals had no property except their tunic

        A serious source to look for reluctance, offhand, from Wiki:
        According to the materials of archival investigations No. 0046 and No. 1762 during searches of V.V. Kryukov and L.A. Ruslanova, the following were seized: a Horch 951A car, two Mercedes, Audi, two hundred eight diamonds, and emeralds, sapphires, pearls, one hundred and seven kilograms of silverware, one hundred and thirty-two paintings by Russian artists Shishkin, Repin, Serov, Surikov, Vasnetsov, Vereshchagin, Levitan, Vrubel, Makovsky, Aivazovsky and others, thirty-five antique carpets, ancient tapestries, many antique sets, furs, sculptures made of bronze and marble, decorative vases, a large number of books, seven hundred thousand rubles in cash and more.

        Serdyukov and Vasilyev of the 40s.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 11: 41
          +6
          Quote: Sunflower
          thirty five antique rugs

          Goons. Where are they so much? belay
    2. jPilot
      jPilot 7 June 2016 09: 17
      +12
      "Abakumov, as it turned out later, he turned out to be an enemy of the people" and did you ever wonder why Abakumov became an "enemy of the people" as well as Beria, precisely after the death of IV Stalin, with Khrushchev's coming to power? The more historical facts about a given personality "come out", the more it becomes clear where and when We "came" to such a life. What can we talk about in general if Khrushchev "rose" on his "revelations" and pouring "slop" over his teacher and mentor Koganovich, who introduced him to the highest party circles, involving him in the construction of the Moscow metro.
      That was the problem of the party, that all and sundry, or, to be more precise, who were not really a Communist, were rushing into power to get closer to the trough. By the way, the current EP, also from the same opera and with the same "sores"
      And do not confuse gifts with the export of trophies by WAGONS.
      Thanks to the author for the article, much about those years becomes even more clear and finds an explanation, by the way, something "our" VO "liberasts" wink do not speak out. To them this article is clearly like a "sickle for" Faberge " lol
      1. semirek
        semirek 7 June 2016 11: 34
        +1
        For your information, Abakumov was shot under Stalin, you need to know that, then he became an enemy of the people, since all his activities were criminal, and the trophy case was created by him in order to discredit the honest name of the Soviet generals. The execution order was signed personally by Stalin .
        1. Sergej1972
          Sergej1972 7 June 2016 21: 20
          +4
          He was arrested under Stalin, shot under Khrushchev-Malenkov.
      2. Aleksander
        Aleksander 7 June 2016 14: 02
        +1
        Quote: jPilot
        have you ever wondered why Abakumov became an "enemy of the people" just like Beria

        To think, you need to know the facts: Avakumov was arrested for high treason in 1951 year under Stalin and broke it very, very hard. He was shot after Stalin in the Leningrad affair ..
    3. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 08
      -4
      Quote: semirek
      the winners of the Nazi beast for their merits do not get hold of something property of the defeated enemy

      You may wonder what the American generals got into, for example, in Japan ?!
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 7 June 2016 11: 25
        +5
        what did American generals have, for example, in Japan ?!
        Samurai family swords, collections of armor, other junk artifacts ... (these are both generals and the average command staff)
        1. 3agr9d0tryad
          3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 43
          -4
          Quote: Anglorussian
          Samurai Family Swords

          And apparently also echelons ?! laughing
          1. Anglorussian
            Anglorussian 7 June 2016 12: 32
            +7
            And apparently also echelons?
            Thousands of units. Look at the statistics of auctions - how many family Japanese weapons (not remodels) are for sale. And the Americans then openly said that they take the family weapon as symbolic trophies from the cross-eyed Pride broke, so to speak. Read the memoirs and old magazine articles in the original. Learn a lot about the warriors of the world. For example, it was fashionable for Japanese skulls to go home. But this is a different story.
            1. 3agr9d0tryad
              3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 12: 51
              -3
              Quote: Anglorussian
              Thousands of units.

              Cool!
              But we seemed to be talking about "looting", well, take away a spoon from a Japanese peasant woman, or hang a wall clock.
              And the sword, it's actually weapon and it can be selected, even necessary.
              1. Anglorussian
                Anglorussian 7 June 2016 13: 01
                +3
                there, take a spoon from the Japanese peasant woman,
                The spoons of the watch of the vase also went off with a bang (hooray laughing ) In the United States, there was a television program clone cash in the attic (you know this, judging by the flag), so there, in a good third of the issues, there were things that were lying around from grandfathers who visited Japan in uniform.
                And the sword, it’s actually a weapon and you can take it away, you even need to
                Antique swords and armor are historical artifacts, and their brothers are looters. As a genuine publication of the anatomical atlas of Pirogov, signed by the author, it is actually not a textbook but a historical artifact representing a second-hand and not educational value.
                1. 3agr9d0tryad
                  3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 13: 12
                  -6
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  The spoons of the watch of the vase also went with a bang (hooray).

                  Where is the proof?
                  Quote: Anglorussian
                  swords and armor are historical artifacts

                  This is a weapon. Do not believe me, well, and walk along such a street.
                  PS And in general, for the slow-witted, Soviet citizens massively dragged everything that they could reach, because they had none of this in the country.
                  And the Americans, of course, could, too, while no one sees to snatch a "souvenir", but they could not even talk about any looting, the rich do not take away things from the poor!
                  1. Anglorussian
                    Anglorussian 7 June 2016 13: 20
                    +6
                    Where is the proof?
                    A huge number of Japanese artifacts found in the States. Memoirs of the Americans themselves (they did not hesitate right up to the 90s, proud of their actions, we read English-language sources)
                    Do not believe me, well, and walk along such a street.
                    Good people in white coats will stop me. Then the museum is not a museum but an arsenal. There are even stone axes!
                    , the rich do not rob the poor!
                    The Americans were not rich at that time, as they are now, however. And the Germans in the 45m acronym USA decrypted as Uhren Stehlen Aus (we steal the clock too) Why would it be?
                    1. 3agr9d0tryad
                      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 13: 35
                      -8
                      Quote: Anglorussian
                      A huge number of Japanese artifacts found in the States.

                      Well, show me them! And so blah blah blah and I repeat to you again.
                      The rich are not rich, but the Americans were even then richer than the Germans and the Japanese, and there was no need for them to "drag a bicycle from Germany" because in the USA they could buy a car!
                      1. Anglorussian
                        Anglorussian 7 June 2016 13: 46
                        +2
                        Well, show me them!
                        Mu so come to me! If it’s serious, then you need to familiarize yourself with English-speaking historians, English-language media, auction catalogs in the States and England. And why did the rich set watches for the Germans?
                    2. your1970
                      your1970 14 June 2016 23: 41
                      0
                      I don’t remember anyone specifically, but a German army corporal corporal silently took off his watch and returned it only when complaints reached a very large boss ....
                  2. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 13: 33
                    +4
                    Quote: 3agr9d0string
                    And the Americans, of course, could, too, while no one sees to snatch a "souvenir", but they could not even talk about any looting, the rich do not take away things from the poor!

                    You tell the staff of the Baghdad Museum. And cultural Germans hid the amber room so much that they still cannot find it in the afternoon with fire.
                    1. 3agr9d0tryad
                      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 13: 43
                      -4
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      You tell the staff of the Baghdad Museum.

                      You just stop making noise, and give me the documents with an investigation into the scale of looting in the US Army from the series "General to such and such a minister to such and such."
                      Because looting is officially prohibited in all civilized countries.
                      Quote: Mordvin 3
                      so the amber room was hidden

                      I have no words. I told them that the Soviet soldiers were dragging knives and forks, and he told me about the "room" taken out by the STATE!
                      1. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 14: 12
                        +4
                        Quote: 3agr9d0string
                        You end up just making noise

                        Almost all emigrants from Japan, South Korea and other countries where US military bases are located enter the country by marrying American soldiers. (issue price - about a thousand) Then - a divorce. But some do not give divorce, but continue to suck from their wives-prostitutes loot until they lose their presentation. A. Borovik "How I was a soldier of the American army". Will such a link go? It's really not a spoon or a fork, but a living woman, not a rubber one. laughing
                      2. 3agr9d0tryad
                        3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 18: 04
                        -2
                        Quote: Mordvin 3
                        This is really not a spoon and not a fork, but a woman who is alive, not rubber.

                        And what exactly confuses you here? What did some women want to improve their position at the expense of men? What is surprising then ?!
                        In the USSR, do you think it was not so?
                      3. Mordvin 3
                        Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 19: 25
                        +2
                        Quote: 3agr9d0string
                        And what exactly confuses you here?

                        And this is me to the question of trophies.
                        Quote: 3agr9d0string
                        In the USSR, do you think it was not so?

                        You may be surprised, but the moral character of people under the USSR was much better than under today's capitalism. Yes, by the way, when the pupil of the labor camp Makarenko married, she was given a dowry:
                        A cow with a calf.
                        A mare with a lotion. Five sheep. The pig. Inventory, seeds, feed stocks, furniture, clothes, linen, sewing machine. What little?
                      4. Pavel bezhetsk
                        Pavel bezhetsk 8 June 2016 16: 47
                        -2
                        Well, if this pupil was not on the collective farm. My grandmother told me that in the 30s and 40s having one cow, it was necessary to hand over milk, meat and skin + 100 rubles of money. And how to live?
                      5. your1970
                        your1970 14 June 2016 23: 45
                        0
                        work, work and work again ..
                        100 rubles of money then is not very much ....
    4. Sarmat149
      Sarmat149 7 June 2016 13: 04
      +1
      For the sevenfold:

      Winners do not need the property of the vanquished. Because he himself will turn into an enemy. The dragon died - a new dragon was born. (((

      Trophy property is the prerogative of the state. If your own, then you are NOT A WARRIOR, NOT A DEFENDER, but an ordinary robber, looter, thief, mercenary.

      This is my opinion, I have the honor.
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 8 June 2016 10: 39
        0
        Quote: Sarmat149
        Sarmat149 Today, 13:04 PM ↑ New
        For the sevenfold:

        Winners do not need the property of the vanquished. Because he himself will turn into an enemy. The dragon died - a new dragon was born. (((

        Trophy property is the prerogative of the state. If your own, then you are NOT A WARRIOR, NOT A DEFENDER, but an ordinary robber, looter, thief, mercenary.



        Are you by any chance not a relative of the very Cherednichenko - the Yeltsin official who harnessed the ownership of thousands of hectares of land?
  8. Egoza
    Egoza 7 June 2016 07: 25
    +14
    He led the Red Empire into the future, "to the stars." And the representatives of the “elite” with the psychology of the bourgeois and the philistines wanted to get rich, because they were at the Olympus and wanted to take advantage of their position.

    Well that's why I.V. Stalin is not honored by the current "elites" of Russia. The contrast is too striking. They feel too insignificant. It is hoped that future generations will give I.V. Stalin owes him ... if only WE MAKE ALL EFFORTS TO THIS.
    1. atos_kin
      atos_kin 7 June 2016 08: 01
      +11

      Start by returning to the world map a city named STALINGRAD!
      1. sherp2015
        sherp2015 7 June 2016 10: 38
        +1
        Quote: atos_kin
        Start by returning to the world map a city named STALINGRAD!


        It would be great if. I think even Georgia would have reacted positively to the return of the city named after Stalin
    2. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 11
      -5
      Quote: Egoza
      It is hoped that future generations will give IV Stalin's due

      Do not worry, I am a representative of this "future generation" and I, as you may have noticed, already pay tribute to Dzhugashvili.
      1. Moore
        Moore 7 June 2016 11: 46
        +3
        Do not slander yourself.
        Why do you need this burden - because the future generation will take responsibility for the future.
        And you are, like, a generation of popcorn that does not bother to elementarily comprehend the facts and draw conclusions.
        1. 3agr9d0tryad
          3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 12: 08
          -2
          Quote: Moore
          for the future generation will take responsibility for the future.

          Yes, yes, the Bolsheviks taught the Russian people "to endure all the hardships of the present day for the sake of the future"!
          Times have changed, the future is today, and we have made our choice.
          1. alicante11
            alicante11 7 June 2016 13: 18
            +3
            and we made our choice


            "We, Zagradotryad First" - there is no need to speak for others, not everyone has been knocked off their brains by Dom-2 and McDonald's.
            1. 3agr9d0tryad
              3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 13: 36
              -5
              Quote: alicante11
              not everyone else had brains blown away by House-2 and McDonald's.

              Damn him with House-2, how does McDonald's bother his brain ?! belay
              1. alicante11
                alicante11 7 June 2016 15: 31
                +2
                Damn him with House-2, how does McDonald's bother his brain ?! belay


                And when the brain is constantly busy chewing fast food, the head works worse, there are not enough resources.
                1. 3agr9d0tryad
                  3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 18: 16
                  -2
                  Quote: alicante11
                  And when the brain is constantly busy chewing fast food, the head works worse

                  To go nuts!
                  Doctoral to you! Sausage, Soviet, with the smell of an electric train.
                  1. Mordvin 3
                    Mordvin 3 7 June 2016 18: 28
                    +5
                    Quote: 3agr9d0string
                    Quote: alicante11
                    And when the brain is constantly busy chewing fast food, the head works worse

                    To go nuts!
                    Doctoral to you! Sausage, Soviet, with the smell of an electric train.

                    Ninety percent of the steel doctor’s doctrine consisted of meat. negative And to Moscow I drove from the Tula region every month. The train ticket cost only 4 rubles.
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  9. ovod84
    ovod84 7 June 2016 07: 54
    +4
    Yes, I can say that in 47 honor courts were created that were dealt with by perfect party workers and the highest nomenclature. But in general, the article is interesting, respect to the author
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  12. parusnik
    parusnik 7 June 2016 08: 05
    +1
    And representatives of the "elite" with the psychology of the bourgeois and philistines..This is the "elite" and came to power under Khrushchev .. Although under Stalin it was enough, not all wasted ..
    1. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 13
      -5
      Quote: parusnik
      This "elite" came to power under Khrushchev

      Yes Yes. Lenin is bad, Dzhugashvili is good, Khrushchev is bad.
      Calm down, they were all from the same organization!
      Khrushchev, even though he was not a pathological sadist, when he came to power abolished slavery and terror, apparently a person saved his soul in the years of terror.
      1. parusnik
        parusnik 7 June 2016 16: 54
        +4
        apparently the soul of a man in the years of terror... He demanded from Stalin to tighten repression, to which he received the answer: calm down ... a big soul man ..Yes Yes. Lenin is bad, Dzhugashvili is good, Khrushchev is bad. .. Well, yes, they didn’t steal tokmo under the tsars and the Provisional Government .. moreover, they fought a fierce fight against corruption .. so that they didn’t dare steal a penny .. and the Russian writers Gogol, Saltykov-Shchedrin, Chekhov, Averchenko and others vilely they tried to make fun of what was not there, blackened Russian reality .. smile
        1. 3agr9d0tryad
          3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 18: 18
          -4
          Quote: parusnik
          to which he received an answer: calm down

          As a good answer, good grandfather Dzhugashvili. Just think, repressions, because Nikita is a friend, hopak dances and amuses.
          Quote: parusnik
          Well, yes, they did not steal tokmo under the kings and the Provisional Government

          It seems to you useless to explain this to you, but under Dzhugashvili they stole it as probably never in our history.
        2. your1970
          your1970 14 June 2016 23: 47
          0
          especially they didn’t steal artillery in front of the PMV, especially for M. Kshesinskaya ... There was no corruption, they had a rookery .......
      2. sherp2015
        sherp2015 8 June 2016 10: 42
        +1
        Quote: 3agr9d0string
        Khrushchev, even though he was not a pathological sadist, when he came to power abolished slavery and terror, apparently a person saved his soul in the years of terror.

        But didn’t Khrushch sign and submit death lists to higher authorities?
  13. Uncle lee
    Uncle lee 7 June 2016 08: 32
    +6
    Under Stalin there was a struggle for the purity of the ranks of the party. There was even such a term - "Komchvanstvo"
  14. unknown
    unknown 7 June 2016 08: 36
    +1
    This "elite" came to power in 1917. They were not "statesmen" at all. Their goal was to plunder the captured country.
    Yes, and the former rulers were no better: they left the country on the battleship "Marlboro" along with the gold reserves, drew themselves new names, biographies, and became "Jewish bankers" Rothschilds and Rockefellers.

    All the years before the assassination of Stalin, a civil war was going on in the country. The victims of the war were tens of millions of people. Stalin managed to restrain the Trotskyists, and after 1953 the process went on increasing.
    1. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 16
      -6
      Quote: ignoto
      All the years before the assassination of Stalin, a civil war was going on in the country.

      Absolutely right.
      Quote: ignoto
      The victims of the war were tens of millions of people.

      Yes. even more.
      Quote: ignoto
      Stalin managed to restrain the Trotskyists

      Bullshit. Dzhugashvili restrained and fought with the Russian people, who for the most part did not want to see him, an uneducated Georgian, at the helm of his millennial state.
  15. tiaman.76
    tiaman.76 7 June 2016 08: 43
    +2
    at the present time I have a seditious thought creeping in ... it’s not enough now Comrade Stalin is at the helm of the state .. well, I’d be right now .. Serdyukov and Vasiliev, yes, I’d think I would take a number of comrades for a special note .. I’m thinking for what they have done the note would be a firing squad
    1. semirek
      semirek 7 June 2016 09: 25
      +1
      A good idea about comrade Stalin’s rotation, but one catch: will he like that we don’t live in huts, don’t go in kerzach and quilted jackets, drive foreign cars, use the Internet and cellular communications, there are no queues at all because of the abundance of shops and property you and I have divorced — all sorts of drills and grinders — and this is capitalism and the means of production, so can we give up today's reality for the sake of Comrade Stalin or not? That is the question.
      1. tiaman.76
        tiaman.76 7 June 2016 09: 43
        +5
        I’d like it, it’s just that they’ll do a check, due to which foreign cars are bought yachts mansions factories football clubs I don’t say anything about the golden taps in the toilets and bruliks, and why some children learn over the hill.
      2. 3agr9d0tryad
        3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 18
        -1
        Quote: semirek
        Here is the question

        It's not a question.
        It is absolutely natural and understandable to everyone that the current population of Russia will in no way give up modern goods "for Stalin's sake."
  16. GEV67
    GEV67 7 June 2016 09: 29
    +4
    For a long time we will recall Joseph Vissarionovich Stalin. This Man managed to organize the state of the USSR after the devastation of the civil war, and then again managed to organize the country after the terrible Great Patriotic War. It is unfortunate that the descendants forgot such a leader of the country, and they only remember Peter the first and worthless Nikolashka. Padla Khrushchev gave rise to the collapse of the USSR and his last and humpbacked earth completed the work of his teacher.
    1. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 22
      -2
      Quote: GEV67
      This Man managed to organize the state of the USSR after the collapse of the civil war

      This man was one of those who organized the devastation of the civil war on the territory of the once one of the most peaceful Empires in the world.
      Quote: GEV67
      Then again he managed to organize the country after the terrible Great Patriotic War.

      No. He failed to organize the country by the beginning of World War II.
      Quote: GEV67
      Khrushchev gave rise to the collapse of the USSR

      Take it easy.
      Blinded by blood by the Bolsheviks, the USSR was initially unviable, because it contradicted human nature and could not exist without the annual killings of those who were not satisfied.
      1. Anglorussian
        Anglorussian 7 June 2016 12: 39
        +4
        USSR was initially unviable
        Due to equalization of rights, including the rights of consumers. Due to the industrial north (RSFSR, Belarus), oceders in transcendental villages are still living better than those who created the overwhelming mass of material goods, although they produced each other only. Moreover, due to the policy of flirting with the nationalities, a sense of their superiority has developed. And when the feeder became half empty, they decided that they deserve the best and just dumped. And now they hate Russia with the hatred of the former, who remained on beans-hahali threw. Here is such begging with hacking. But it’s clear.
  17. iouris
    iouris 7 June 2016 10: 00
    -5
    Here is one of the folk tales about Stalin that I like.
    After the war, Stalin found out that Professor K. had от wiped off ’an expensive summer cottage near Moscow. He called him to his place and asked: “Is it true that you built yourself a summer house for so many thousands ?!” “True, Comrade Stalin,” the professor replied. “Thank you very much from the orphanage to which you gave this summer cottage,” Stalin said and sent him to teach in Novosibirsk.
    1. tiaman.76
      tiaman.76 7 June 2016 10: 04
      +1
      Well, in Novosibirsk, someone had to be taught
    2. Sergej1972
      Sergej1972 7 June 2016 21: 30
      +1
      First of all, this is a bike. Secondly, if the money was not stolen, then why did this professor not have the right to build his country house? At the very least, this is better than living the highest nomenclature in government affairs. Read Chuyev’s conversations with Molotov. This Stalinist comrade-in-arms honestly admitted that the party-state elite, including himself, had come off the people in the last years of Stalin’s life.
      1. iouris
        iouris 9 June 2016 10: 41
        +2
        Quote: Sergej1972
        First of all, this is a bike. Secondly, if the money was not stolen, then why did this professor not have the right to build his country house?

        Here is another "bike" that a modern Russian may also not like.

        One colonel general reported to Stalin about the state of affairs. The Supreme Commander looked very pleased and nodded twice in approval. Having finished the report, the commander hesitated. Stalin asked: “Do you want to say anything else?”
        “Yes, I have a personal question. In Germany, I selected some things that interest me, but they were detained at a checkpoint. If possible, I would ask that they be returned to me. ”
        "It's possible. Write a report, I will impose a resolution. ”
        Colonel-General pulled out a prepared report from his pocket. Stalin imposed a resolution. The petitioner began to thank warmly.
        “It is not worth gratitude,” said Stalin.
        After reading the resolution written on the report: “Return to the colonel his junk. I. Stalin, ”the general turned to the Supreme:“ There is a typo, comrade Stalin. I am not a colonel, but a colonel general. ”
        “No, everything is right here, Comrade Colonel,” answered Stalin.
  18. Aleksander
    Aleksander 7 June 2016 10: 03
    -3
    And then eliminate Stalin became an instrument of Khrushchev in the struggle for power.


    belay In more detail, please, about this exciting moment, the elimination of Stalin! yes
    Thus, Stalin fought with high-ranking "trophies", showing that he would not allow the decomposition of the army and the entire Soviet elite as a whole


    He fought with the exceptional popularity of Zhukov: before the trophy, there was a letter from Marshal Novikov to Stalin against Zhukov, knocked out by the sadists of Avakumov. But then they only sent to OdVO.
    The second is already a trophy case, but here too a bummer:

    Comrade Stalin I.V.

    According to your instructions 5 January with. An unofficial search was carried out at Zhukov’s apartment in Moscow. The task was to find and seize a suitcase and a box with gold, diamonds and other valuables at Zhukov’s apartment.

    During the search the suitcase was not found,

    It was not found either in the country house or in an apartment in Odessa, the case fell apart
    1. Basil50
      Basil50 12 June 2016 10: 51
      +1
      It is difficult to respect Zhukov, especially after his books about * his own hand * described * exploits *.
      And there was a story with the suitcase, the suitcase was not found at Zhukov, but the contents of the suitcase were found at Zhukov. And the matter was not brought to the tribunal only because Zhukov did not speculate with values. Although demoted.
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  19. alebor
    alebor 7 June 2016 10: 20
    +3
    Interestingly, were there those who did not carry trophies from Germany?
    It is clear that the scale was different: soldiers in duffel bags, generals in wagons - everyone has different possibilities. But somehow I can’t believe that one of the top generals Zhukov was carrying trophies in large quantities.
    The article says a lot about different options for speculation and theft, but this is a completely different kind of action, Zhukov, like most other generals, did not seem to engage in speculation and resale. So in the removal of Zhukov, I think, nevertheless, there is a political motive.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 June 2016 21: 21
      +2
      My grandfather gave me a silver cigarette case - a trophy from Berlin.
  20. masiya
    masiya 7 June 2016 10: 34
    +3
    A correct and accurate article ... it’s just as always with us that only top officials, leaders of the country can engage in struggle, and among the crooks, for the most part, their environment and struggle resembles Don Quixote’s suffering with windmills, they all know everything wave their raking wings ...
  21. 3agr9d0tryad
    3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 10: 44
    -6
    Yeah, Stalin was fighting! With the bandits! Joke! laughing
    Let me remind you that in recent years in the Russian Empire, among the most influential terrorists were two terrorist gangs, the Socialist-Revolutionaries and the Bolsheviks.
    The differences between them were only in tactics.
    The Social Revolutionaries in the "party program" considered political terrorism (individual and mass murders) to be the main instrument of coming to power.
    The Bolsheviks rejected political terrorism (but only officially!), But economic terrorism was in the first place of their practical activity. To be more precise, the leader of the Bolsheviks, Lenin, created a terrorist organization "Bolshevik Center" controlled only by him (and serving only his personal enrichment!), Which is responsible for a huge number of robberies throughout the Empire and a huge number of victims among the civilian population.
    For example, the Tiflis robbery, organized by the Georgian "authority" Koba (Dzhugashvili), during which more than 20 people were injured and which later became the cause of an international scandal, when some of the Bolsheviks were arrested abroad while trying to cleanse the "Tiflis grandmothers", and the Bolsheviks themselves after that banned from entering some European countries.
    And after that, someone will say that Dzhugashvili fought with the bandits ?!
    Yes, you open the Criminal Code of those years and see how much they gave to "socially close" people for robbery and rape of Soviet citizens, and how much these "socially alien" Soviet citizens were given for plundering "state property" (in the form of three ears of wheat).
    And it will immediately become clear that thieves and rapists were Koba's "left hand" just like the nomenclature was "right".
    Nomenclature planted in zones, thieves hosted there, and only so!
    And the "black market", about which the author writes, existed during all the years of Dzhugashvili's rule.
    There ordinary citizens could buy food (so as not to starve to death at the empty shelves of state stores), and the nomenclature could buy stolen jewelry from thieves.
  22. Mestny
    Mestny 7 June 2016 10: 59
    +2
    Quote: 3agr9d0string
    And after that, someone will say that Dzhugashvili fought with the bandits ?!

    I don’t know about Dzhugashvili whether he fought or not, but Comrade Stalin fought unambiguously.
    And the article itself is about it.
    And this, just in case, especially for people like you - I know that this is one and the same person in different historical periods.
    1. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 11: 38
      -4
      Quote: Mestny
      I am aware that this is one and the same person, in different historical periods.

      Then be aware that I am not interested in the nicknames of criminals, whether he is there or Stalin, his surname Dzhugashvili and his name was Soso!
      And yes, I repeat you open the Criminal Code of those years and see how much they gave to "socially close" people for robbery and rape of Soviet citizens
      and more
      Quote: Mestny
      and the nomenclature could always buy stolen things from thieves.

      Therefore, he did not fight anything, at the most he "cut his hair at the top" so that local thieves would have no more power than the nomenklatura.
      But in the camps and exiles, the Bolshevik power was built almost on the full authority and loyalty of thieves.
      1. Sarmat149
        Sarmat149 7 June 2016 13: 12
        +6
        In a row:

        I consider you a provocateur, with a corresponding nickname. Time will tell who is right, like me or people like you. This frame does not need to be said more. Life itself puts everything in its place.
        1. 3agr9d0tryad
          3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 13: 38
          -3
          Quote: Sarmat149
          Time will tell who is right

          Already shown in the 91st.
          There is no turning back; the vaccination against the rabies of Bolshevism was made to the people such that they miraculously survived.
  23. kirgudu
    kirgudu 7 June 2016 13: 22
    +4
    Ah ah ah. Again, bloody Stalin shot dear people! These are businessmen, investors!
  24. chenia
    chenia 7 June 2016 13: 26
    +5
    Quote: 3agr9d0string
    Blinded by blood by the Bolsheviks, the USSR was initially unviable, because it contradicted human nature and could not exist without the annual killings of those who were not satisfied.


    Young man, don’t you read Solzhenitsyn. This is that liar.

    So answer how it could happen that the countries included in the USSR, during 25 years of the triumph of liberalism, lost 75 ml. person.
    But under the bloody Stalin, for 40 years (1918-1960) -70 million (of which 40 ml. WWII).

    So who is more bloodthirsty?
    1. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 13: 45
      -2
      Quote: chenia
      how could it happen that the countries entering the USSR, during 25 years of the triumph of liberalism, lost 75 ml. person.

      This could not have happened, and this has not happened, no 75 million people. those "entering the USSR" did not lose after its collapse.
      Quote: chenia
      for 40 years (1918-1960) -70 million

      Even, most likely, more.
  25. Black
    Black 7 June 2016 13: 32
    0
    Quote: Vasily50
    It is a pity that all subsequent leaders of the SOVIET UNION went along the path of Khrushchev.

    .... as the construction of socialism, the struggle will intensify !!!
    Once, in the beginning of the 80s, at a seminar on the History of the CPSU, this message of I.V. Stalin could not explain our teacher ...
  26. Moore
    Moore 7 June 2016 13: 50
    +2
    Quote: 3agr9d0string
    Times have changed, the future is today, and we have made our choice.

    Yes Yes. Amer cliché about "the future today" is a concentrate of the philosophy of the popcorn generation. We live for today.
    They made their choice - on health. Do not stain the environment with the rest only.
    1. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 18: 20
      -1
      Quote: Moore
      Amer cliché about "the future today" is a concentrate of the philosophy of the popcorn generation.

      How else?! What else does man live for? To live well, or to starve and suffer?
      Noble, noble, the Russian people were broken by the Bolsheviks that some descendants still do not understand basic things.
  27. chenia
    chenia 7 June 2016 14: 26
    0
    Quote: 3agr9d0string
    This could not have happened, and this has not happened, no 75 million people. those "entering the USSR" did not lose after its collapse.


    Here it is, if you want to figure it out - this is one thing. Well, if you are on the content - then my arguments are meaningless.

    To determine the loss of liberalism, it is enough to take the average population growth in the USSR over 10 years (say 60-70, 70-60, 80-89).

    It turns out an average of 26-29 ml. / 10 years. (Moreover, the absolute growth in the 80s began to increase)

    For 2016 there should be 360-365 million. And where are they?



    Quote: 3agr9d0string
    Even, most likely, more.


    No, rather less.
    If we take 170 million (without Finland) the population of the Republic of Ingushetia in 1918 (plus
    Galicia, Bukovina, Transcarpathia, and minus 9 Privislinsky provinces), then the figure is 170 million. source.

    I give growth for 40 years (18-22 to 58-62) of the following countries

    Britain-20% (43,7-52,8)
    Spain -43% (21-30.6)
    Italy -30% (38,7 -50,5)
    Portugal -50% (6-9)
    Bulgaria-64% (4,6-7,9)
    Greece -68% (5-8,4)

    The question is what percentage of the growth will be in the USSR, if 1960 the sex of the population lived in cities. They probably noticed a connection with urbanization, where only countries with a patriarchal order have a large relative increase.

    I considered the maximum - a relative increase over 40 years of -65% (certainly not anymore).

    From here to 1960 (59). in the USSR was supposed to live no more 280 million people. and there were 209 million

    Ie 70 million (all losses, taking into account the unborn and emigration)
    1. 3agr9d0tryad
      3agr9d0tryad 7 June 2016 18: 24
      -1
      Quote: chenia
      Here it is, if you want to figure it out - this is one thing.

      I understood, and you make a mistake. I honestly have no time to paint everything in detail now.
      Suffice it to say that according to Soviet statistics (they even wrote in Pravda) for 1940, more than 50% of the population of the USSR was born after the Thief, that is More than 85 million of those born under the king did not survive until 1940.
      And if you think that they all died of old age, then you are seriously mistaken.
  28. bistrov.
    bistrov. 7 June 2016 14: 29
    -1
    It is not at all strange that even Zhukov succumbed to "trophy" moods. If you look at it, he actually lived his whole life in the barracks. Even those apartments in which he lived already being in high ranks and positions were actually also barracks, where government furniture stood, with inventory numbers, and once a year the quartermaster came and recounted it. Oh, maybe he ate his fill when he was drafted into the tsarist army, throughout the war he wandered around the dugouts and dugouts, even if they were built better than the usual ones, and here in Germany there are abandoned, practically no-one, palaces full of the most beautiful furniture brought from all over Europe , objects of art, because the Germans are such a people, no one will touch someone else's finger, they would have stolen everything from us the next day. So the roof of a person has gone a little. The older comrades saw and corrected. It's okay, I realized, forgiven. That's all. Now, if he began to speculate on these things, like the others described above, then another matter.
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 7 June 2016 14: 33
      +2
      because the Germans are such a people, no one else's and a finger is not
      The Germans also stewed. Another thing is that they were more interested in the safety of their own skins at that moment.
  29. chenia
    chenia 7 June 2016 19: 02
    +3
    Quote: 3agr9d0string
    I understood, and you make a mistake. I honestly have no time to paint everything in detail now.


    I knew that as soon as you press a liberalist, he has no time (or arguments).
    Who was born there before VO, who after is the second (all the more you have the ability to refer to sources that you yourself come up with).

    I gave you a growth chart of the main countries of Europe (I can add France a gain of 20% (39-47). Norway - 40% (2,6-3,6 million people).

    It is easy to compare and imagine what the growth of the RI-USSR in 1960 could be.

    The main, determining numbers and do not allow the liberals to ring out about 100 million losses.

    You always refer to indirect evidence (invented by yourself), avoiding the obvious.
  30. Mwg
    Mwg 7 June 2016 19: 10
    +3
    No matter how gentlemen the liberals Joseph Vissarionovich condemned, he left behind a country that for 40 (!!!) years could neither be destroyed from the inside nor dump enemies from the outside. He built such an economic, political and social base in the state for the stability of life of its citizens. As a born and raised in the USSR and forced to the full extent that system I declare. There was everything and, most importantly, there was confidence in the future.
    1. Vadim237
      Vadim237 7 June 2016 21: 23
      0
      Now, too, everything is there and confidence in the future - even more so.
  31. Karabogazgol
    Karabogazgol 7 June 2016 20: 16
    0
    I have not mastered all the comments ... Comrade. Stalin, no matter what he said about him, is and will be the Greatest figure and leader, and even the leader, of our Motherland. First of all, secondly, they survived until the end of the Great Patriotic War (they did not die in the battles for the Fatherland ) only rear "rats, yes hucksters", maybe even young people from the last call. So chta-ah, the essence of the rear "heroic" stratum History, alas, does not care ... With all due respect to the guys from the front who survived until the Victory. I would send them by car, to the "award" - For the Victory over fascism! Something like this. Especially my opinion. My Will was (opportunity).
    1. Anglorussian
      Anglorussian 8 June 2016 00: 43
      +2
      only rear "rats, yes hucksters"
      Grandfather from Finland to Berlin conquered (at the forefront) and survived to the 21st century. He was captured but did not rot in the Soviet camp. And by the way, he did not say anything about the detachments.
  32. proud
    proud 7 June 2016 22: 44
    +2
    The more often I read articles about Stalin, the more I realize how much this outstanding personality was!
  33. Sanya Terek
    Sanya Terek 7 June 2016 23: 34
    +3
    Quote: Karabogazgol
    Until the end of the Great Patriotic War, only the rear "rats and hucksters" survived (did not die in the battles for the Fatherland), maybe even young people from the last draft.

    There is no need to make such statements, out of 7 relatives who fought in the Second World War, three of me went from the western border in 1941 to Berlin in 1945. And it is hardly possible to consider the tank driver, the commander of an anti-tank artillery battery and the commander of a rifle battalion as "rear rats".
  34. SerB60
    SerB60 8 June 2016 01: 24
    0
    Quote: mordvin xnumx
    Quote: 3agr9d0string
    I can advise you to read, for example, A. Geifman "Revolutionary Terror in Russia".

    Alas, I read it. Only for some reason, all these whistleblowers are entirely Jewish surnames. And why is it that they care about the Russian people?

    Zakryakryak would have answered, on whose money the Bolsheviks were booming abroad, buying weapons, printing newspapers. ???
  35. brelok
    brelok 8 June 2016 05: 10
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    Quote: 3agr9d0string
    (Britain would support) if we needed him so much ?!

    Even as I held it! smile The golden dream of the Britons was about to come true! Only after Moscow even the Germans realized that they could not win the war.
  36. fotopavka
    fotopavka 9 June 2016 02: 59
    +2
    Quote: 3agr9d0string
    And in Stalin was a great and wise politician

    Dzhugashvili is our story, which we are proud of. He ruled a great Country and a great People.
    This is a great man, even if not unequivocal.
    Under his leadership, we won!
  37. Petrik66
    Petrik66 9 June 2016 11: 59
    +1
    Stalin is a man with his own problems and achievements. As for the "hoarding" .... well, there was his son Vasily - a young general, pilot, athlete, etc. Why have they forgotten about him? If not for dad, would he really become a general, commander of the air force of the Moscow district, he did not use trophies, rations, etc.? Or dad didn't know?
  38. Essex62
    Essex62 10 June 2016 20: 12
    +2
    Stalin was already great in that the second in the history of the Russian Empire, after Ekaterina the Great, managed to block the Anglo-Saxon-Jewish Masonic lodge. He did not allow this hateful ideology to penetrate our lives. Although he had to ally with them during WW2, he he firmly held by the throat of those who were not persistent, inclined to succumb and slip into the abyss of decomposition (enrichment, etc., Zhora Zhukov's example, marshal of victory on soldier's blood.) that the country got out of the terrible consequences of the Second World War in a few years and rushed forward by leaps and bounds.
    As for the son, even the Nikitkins’s guardsmen did not find anything particularly luxurious behind him.
  39. Viclipucli
    Viclipucli 13 June 2016 15: 57
    0
    Aunt Zina has a blouse with dragons, but snakes -
    That father Popov Vovchik came with trophies.
    Trophy Japan, Trophy Germany:
    The country of Limonia has come - continuous suitcases. (C)
  40. Strategia
    Strategia 28 October 2018 19: 54
    0
    I think that in the 1930s, many repressed in reality were ordinary thieves. And in order not to lead the people into temptation, they were labeled "political", which in turn allowed their "limited in rights" descendants (who, by the way, graduated from prestigious universities) scream about the illegality of the measures taken against their "white and fluffy" ancestors. Naturally, the “bloody Stalin” was to blame for this.
  41. WEL7958
    WEL7958 21 November 2018 11: 10
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    And now what’s the difference, one can steal the other, one forgive, I take into account the merits of others for the same plant. Better tell us about the Stalinist monetary reform of 1947, which immediately nullified the money accumulated over the years of the war.