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Attacks in Aktobe: the work of local radicals?

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In Aktobe of Kazakhstan (formerly Aktyubinsk) 5, June, militants staged a series of terrorist attacks. Now the city has a "red" level of terrorist danger. Text messages are sent to residents with a notification of the anti-terrorist operation in Aktobe. Citizens are not advised to go out without much need.



Video frame from the scene


Recall yesterday Aktobe was attacked by a group of terrorists. They committed a number of crimes: a seller and a security guard were killed in a Pallas gun shop, and then three policemen were injured. There was an attack on another store, "Panther", where militants shot a visitor, and another one wounded. In the ensuing exchange of fire with a police outfit, three gangsters were eliminated. One law enforcement officers detained.

Having captured and hijacked a shuttle bus, radical terrorists attacked the military unit of the National Guard, where they killed three soldiers and wounded six. The servicemen resisted: one terrorist was killed on the spot, another was wounded, defused and detained.

The result of the gangster attacks is sad: six killed, ten wounded. Aktobe declared a “red” (that is, the highest) level of terrorist danger. A text message has been sent to the residents with a notification of the antiterrorist operation. Citizens are not advised to go out without much need.

According to the Ministry of Internal Affairs of Kazakhstan, Aktobe was attacked by "adherents of radical unconventional religious movements."

Yesterday it was reported that the gangsters could have taken hostages, but the Kazakh Ministry of Internal Affairs denied these reports.

About 20: 20 (Moscow time) on Sunday, the Ministry of Internal Affairs reported on the destruction of four criminals and the detention of seven. The special operation continues, quotes the press secretary of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Almas Sadubaeva Newsru.com.

The speaker of the senate of the Kazakh parliament, Kasym-Zhomart Tokayev, noted that it was no coincidence that the attacks of extremists occurred on the eve of the Urazy, fasting during the holy month of Ramadan. “The terrorist attack in Aktobe on the eve of St. Oraz is a manifestation of extreme cynicism and cruelty of bandits. The most stringent measures are being taken to punish them, ”Tokaev quotes. Newsru.com.

Aktobe Governor Berdibek Saparbayev spoke on television with the appeal, reports "Lenta.ru" with reference to the TV channel 24kz. According to him, the situation is under control. “At the moment, the situation is stable,” Mr. Saparbayev said.

Experts say the opposite. Or, at least, they are skeptical of the authorities' tactics.

Alexander Shirokov ("Lenta.ru") recalls a number of terrorist attacks in Kazakhstan, some of which (as well as 5 June 2016 attacks) were quite predictable, as they were carried out according to a “template plan”. Forwards, according to the analyst, as a rule, attack security officials, or arrange explosions near the buildings of government bodies. At the same time, the militants invariably manage to take the law enforcement agencies off-guard. For example, the entire 2011 year passed in Kazakhstan under the sign of terrorist attacks (militants operated in various regions).

"All история The terrorist attacks in Kazakhstan demonstrate that the authorities fail to analyze what has happened and work out an effective confrontation tactic, Shirokov writes. - Extremists act routinely, but, despite this, consistently successfully, even if they pay for it with their lives. Astana, to all appearances, does not really represent who exactly opposes it and who supports “non-traditional religious movements”. Attempts by the authorities to deny the obvious and the following vague explanations seem frankly helpless. ”

A similar opinion from a political scientist Marat Shibutov. He believes that external players were not involved in the events in Aktobe, and the sources of tension were internal. In this case, the security forces did not draw conclusions from the terrorist attacks of past years. This expert, who, incidentally, is the author of the report on terrorism in Kazakhstan in 2011-2012, told in an interview IA "REGNUM".

Political analyst explained why terrorists choose Aktobe region. First, Islam was spread there earlier less than in the south, and now there are many converts. "Namely, converts give the percentage of the most radicals," - said the expert. Secondly, in those areas the people are more belligerent, since there is a strong property difference “in incomes between oil workers and other residents”. As a result, "the historical, socio-economic and religious factors merge together and give just such a tension."

What are the mistakes of the Kazakh security officials?

According to the political scientist, they did not take into account the fact that "terrorists are changing." Hence, for example, the attack by militants of the National Guard. If the security forces were waiting for attacks on those who work against extremists - the KNB, the prosecutor's office and the Interior Ministry, as it was before, now the militants have "become much more daring." “If the units could not fight back, then the criminals could get more machine guns, then the number of victims could have been much more,” the scientist suggests. In addition, on June 5, the actions were conducted by the 2-3 group, which knocked down the coordination of the security forces. And the militants have successfully chosen the time - "Sunday afternoon, when everyone is relaxed." The political scientist notes the "increased tactical skills and experience in planning operations" among extremists. And once a part of the attackers managed to withdraw, then there are also “withdrawal plans”.

As for any "external hand" in the events of 5 June, the expert doubts this.

“I think these are purely internal processes: already from 2007-2008. we only have our own terrorists: strangers no longer go to us. So all his own, domestic production. And no conspiracy theories.


And here is another expert opinion from Kazakhstan.

"Unfortunately, this is not an accident, - leads the portal "Allau" the words of political scientist Rasul Jumaly. - In principle, it seemed so. Recall the events of 2010-2011, when there was a series of such terrorist acts, attacks, including on government agencies, the National Security Committee. Then the government was tense, some measures were taken: an updated law on religious activity was adopted, a specialized agency was created, and the special services received additional powers. There was a "pressure." At that time, many experts, including me, warned: these measures are not enough - priority was made solely on force measures, on suppression, condemnation, on prohibiting, closing down various religious sites. Experts warned that this should not be a priority. Of course, law enforcement agencies and special services should work, but priority should be given to the ideological and educational side, which was completely forgotten. Still, it is necessary to struggle not with consequences, but with causes. ”

And a few words about the reaction of residents. Radio reports it Azattyk.

“A resident of the central district in Aktobe, in a comment to Azattyk, said by telephone that the Internet was disconnected in the city; trading houses, large entertainment centers and other places of large crowds of people are closed; local TV channels warn the population about the counterterrorist operation, so they ask not to leave the house. In addition, according to her, the notice of cancellation, by the decision of the Ministry of Education, has passed the Unified National Testing (UNT), scheduled for June on the territory of two large educational institutions of the city. He says that residents of Aktobe received SMS messages on the establishment of a red level of terrorist danger in the city. ”


So, from the scant reports of the Kazakh Ministry of Internal Affairs, it is clear that not all the criminals are currently detained: some managed to escape. How many of these hiding and whether they are armed is unknown. The "red" level of terrorist danger in the city remains.

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  1. Good_Taxist
    Good_Taxist 6 June 2016 09: 19
    -22%
    Nazerbaev is a strong "saxaul"! It seems to me that he will tear everyone there farts - like "2 fingers on the asphalt" ...
    1. makst83
      makst83 6 June 2016 09: 19
      +35
      The terrorist attack on the eve of the holy Muslim month of Ramadan, which is a well-known handwriting for everyone who follows the topic. On the eve of Ramadan, Islamists blow Syria and Iraq and Tunisia, etc. etc. This is an old al-Qaeda chip, and then the IG. True, it is possible that imitators acted in Aktobe. There is a video in which participants are visible, in a car - typical bandos! However, there are many guys in short pants and with thin Wahhabi beards in the vicinity of Aktobe. In any case, to say that it was hooliganism or commercial disassembly is no longer necessary.
      1. cniza
        cniza 6 June 2016 09: 26
        +28
        The United States begins to probe from strong countries, and then strike somewhere in Kyrgyzstan or Uzbekistan or at the same time, but they will undermine the situation, surrounding Russia with a "belt of instability and conflict."
        1. jjj
          jjj 6 June 2016 10: 10
          +6
          It is time for sovereign states to understand that the "European norms of human rights", which they tried to cultivate in themselves, necessarily lead to a putsch in the interests of outside forces
          1. Talgat 148
            Talgat 148 6 June 2016 13: 00
            -13%
            Who is then sovereign ??? The Russian Federation has sovereignty ?! )))
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      3. CORNET
        CORNET 6 June 2016 09: 27
        +50
        And I was not surprised by this news .... Kazakhstan will "shake", money was thrown into it by the west over Ukraine ... They are waiting for Nazarbayev to die (or help) Allah bless him! Hold on to the Kazakhs, they took you tightly ... hi
        1. avt
          avt 6 June 2016 09: 55
          +17
          Quote: CORNET
          And I was not surprised by this news .... Kazakhstan will be "shaken", money was thrown into it by the West over Ukraine ...

          Why be surprised then? Moreover, again in the archive you can see, even BEFORE the Maidan, at the beginning of 2013 I was in disputes with Marek Rozny - there was such a character spelled out in Latin, and others, who especially carefully looked for infringement of national pride from the Imperts on the site, argued and said - guys, learn from our experience! At that time we still had the "brotherhood of peoples", but we had already won back in Pan-Slavism, so put Pan-Turkism out of your head, especially since Erdogan indulges in Ottomanism, and these are two big differences. And practically themselves! Well, they giggled in response. Of course, this is not a real fire yet - sparks. Well, "A spark will ignite a flame" if it is not extinguished in time. The biggest danger for Kazakhstan is to get to the bifurcation point. When, during the transfer of power, it suddenly seems to someone that he is deprived, but there is no strength to take the desired place and he wants to attract thugs, and even with the experience of the war in Syria, in the hope that they will do his dirty work. This will be a complete ass. Moreover, the US will finance this event with a-a-agromous joy. If they do not stop it, it will blaze so that it will fry in the neighboring national countries of the region and it will not burn us sour.
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya 6 June 2016 19: 25
            -9
            Quote: avt
            so throw Pan-Turkism out of your head, all the more so since Erdogan indulges in Ottomanism


            What nafig then? This trend is just a bluff of the USSR special services, when they quarreled with Turkey in the first half of the 20th century ... On the charge of pan-Turkism, so many people of the NKVD were covered up - ordinary learned Turkologists with camps and a label for life ...
            Now you have already seen this Shark in Pan-Turkism in Kazakhstan, although earlier you had guessed it in Turkey ... winked
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 7 June 2016 00: 50
              +4
              Quote: Aposlya
              What nafig then?
              That’s for sure, it’s not about pan-Turkism, but Islam. There is such a peaceful religion. Either in the name of Allah, someone will blow up a thread, then their heads will be cut off, recently the girls in the cells were burned for refusing to give bearded bastards. Now they shot in Kazakhstan - all in the name of Allah and Mohammed his prophet. But religion is peaceful, and whoever doubts this is the ax head.
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            2. avt
              avt 7 June 2016 10: 37
              +2
              Quote: Aposlya
              What nafig then?

              Gugel to help - rewind the speeches of NAS when visiting Turkey from a few years ago. Again, look and find how about the same time, or a year later, the Hungarians ceased to be Finno-Ugrians and declared themselves ... Tbrks, and even offered to NASU to be "the leader of the Turkic assembly."
              1. Aposlya
                Aposlya 7 June 2016 18: 40
                0
                Quote: avt
                Gugel to help - rewind the speeches of NAS when visiting Turkey from a few years ago. Again, look and find how about the same time, or a year later, the Hungarians ceased to be Finno-Ugrians and declared themselves ... Tbrks, and even offered to NASU to be "the leader of the Turkic assembly."


                AND? When they talk about the Russian World, about Slavic values, the leaders of Russia extol it, it’s normal, and when the Turk speaks about the Turkic roots, is that extremism and what? This is called - double standards in which you like to blame others ...
                1. cast iron
                  cast iron 7 June 2016 22: 00
                  +1
                  The trick is that when a pan-Turkist speaks of expanding the Turkic world, then he 100% means cutting off heads that do not agree with this expansion))) Islam is a peaceful religion, and if you do not agree with this, they will cut off your head.
                  1. Aposlya
                    Aposlya 7 June 2016 22: 27
                    0
                    Quote: cast iron
                    The trick is that when a pan-Turkist speaks of expanding the Turkic world, then he 100% means cutting off heads that do not agree with this expansion))) Islam is a peaceful religion, and if you do not agree with this, they will cut off your head.


                    Talking about the Turkic roots of the two peoples, in your opinion, means cutting off the heads of non-Muslims? What a strange logic you have ...
                    The Türks are one thing, and Islam is generally another. Islam is generally an Abrahamic religion, although the Türks had their own faith - Tengri (Tengrism), but in the days of the Golden Horde Islam was imposed ... Oh, and bloodsuckers were watered when Islam was planted in those days.
                    Islam by the way does not imply national or ethnic differences at all: you are a Turk or someone else ...
                    So, pan-Turkism is separate, Wahhabism is separate ... In Aktobe, there was some kind of idiotic performance by the Salafists that they did not understand.
                    Well, if you take the definition of pan-Turkism:
                    Pan-Turkism is a cultural and political movement prevalent in states populated by Turkic peoples, which is based on ideas about the need for their political consolidation on the basis of ethnic, cultural and linguistic community. Formed in the second half of the XIX century [1]. The movement began among the Turks in the Crimea and on the Volga, who initially sought to unite with the Ottoman Turks.
                    Those. in fact, pan-Turkism is a kind of agreement between the Ottoman Turks of the 19th century and the Crimean Tatars, who historically gravitated to the Ottomans.

                    Well, what pan-Turkism now can be, even if Azerbaijan shuns the same Turks? The fact that the roots are the same - so this is bad. But who can, in a normal mind, think about the unification of Kazakhstan with Turkey, for example? hi
        2. Vita vko
          Vita vko 6 June 2016 10: 11
          +11
          Quote: CORNET
          I was not surprised at this news ....

          Many in Kazakhstan were not surprised by this news, especially after the provocative events of May 21. It is much easier to grab the unarmed at spontaneous rallies and hammer in the jail of correspondents of the media than to combat real crime and the lawlessness of those in power on the ground.
          1. Vasiliev Yu
            Vasiliev Yu 6 June 2016 13: 18
            -1
            It is much easier to grab the unarmed at spontaneous rallies and hammer in the jail of media correspondents than to combat real crime and the lawlessness of those in power on the ground.

            Do you mean pin ... dosov and Ferguson?
            1. Vasiliev Yu
              Vasiliev Yu 6 June 2016 20: 20
              +1
              Wanted targeting:
              http://pikabu.ru/story/obyavlenyi_v_rozyisk_4250065
          2. Starshina wmf
            Starshina wmf 6 June 2016 14: 24
            +9
            there are some suspicious terrorists. There are no weapons. Or not enough. Therefore, they attacked the store. You won’t fight much with the hunting rifles. The bus was seized, the passengers were kicked out and rammed by a military unit with a guard that could make drushlag out of them. Yes, some strange ones.
            1. Revolver
              Revolver 7 June 2016 00: 56
              0
              Quote: Starshina wmf
              Yes, somehow strange.
              Rather, they smoked something picky, well, consciousness expanded.
            2. cast iron
              cast iron 7 June 2016 22: 03
              0
              Well, in fact, rifled hunting semiautomatic devices are not much inferior in effectiveness to a military machine.
              The fact that terrorists attacked with the aim of taking possession of weapons suggests that the "ineffective" security forces of Kazakhstan covered up the black market of illegal weapons so well.
        3. Talgat 148
          Talgat 148 6 June 2016 13: 01
          -11%
          All garbage, in other countries it is commonplace!
      4. marshes
        marshes 6 June 2016 09: 49
        -3
        Quote: makst83
        . There is a video in which participants are visible, in a car - typical bandos

        Vidio is fake, in general it is staged shots for the series.
      5. Nitarius
        Nitarius 6 June 2016 10: 21
        +7
        Let’s tell you honestly .. not ALKAID and IG .. but the US special services and their six!
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya 6 June 2016 19: 27
          0
          Quote: Nitarius
          Let’s tell you honestly .. not ALKAID and IG .. but the US special services and their six!


          The infa is generally minimal ... Aktobe is cut off informationally - we don’t really know what happens there ...
      6. fif21
        fif21 6 June 2016 20: 10
        0
        Quote: makst83
        to say that it was hooliganism or commercial disassembly is no longer necessary.
        According to unverified information, an unsuccessful coup attempt, the organizer of the Kazakh, the owner of the brewery. hi Something went wrong, siloviki +, but the bell was alarming.
        1. Drummer
          Drummer 7 June 2016 21: 01
          0
          This version is voiced by state-owned media. Rave.
        2. cast iron
          cast iron 7 June 2016 22: 05
          0
          Something like that is very shallow for a coup)))
    2. Finches
      Finches 6 June 2016 09: 24
      +14
      One pill - 9 grams of lead, but this is for the militants, but the organizer needs to be taken alive and worked with him, especially in the question of where the financial strings go! Radicals can be homegrown, but the money is clearly foreign ....
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 6 June 2016 15: 20
        +2
        Quote: Finches
        , but the organizer needs to be taken alive and working with him

        The detained businessman, the former owner of Shymkentpivo LLP Tokhtar Tuleshov planned a violent seizure of power. This was announced today at a briefing by the Prosecutor General of the Republic of Kazakhstan Ruslan Karasev, a spokesman for the National Security Committee of the Republic of Kazakhstan, KazInform reports.
        http://www.kursiv.kz/news/obshestvo/tohtar-tulesov-planiroval-soversit-gosudarst
        vennyj-perevorot /
        1. marshes
          marshes 6 June 2016 15: 44
          0
          Quote: novobranets
          http://www.kursiv.kz/news/obshestvo/tohtar-tulesov-planiroval-soversit-gosudarst

          vennyj-perevorot /

          He has nothing to do with Aktobe short-haired men.
          read the biography.
          http://www.caravan.kz/news/kto-takojj-tokhtar-tuleshov-kotorogo-obvinili-v-popyt
          ke-gosudarstvennogo-perevorota-363311 /
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 6 June 2016 17: 23
            0
            So I am about the same. The unfortunate brewer tied up long before the events in Aktobe.
            1. marshes
              marshes 6 June 2016 17: 34
              +1
              Quote: novobranets
              So I am about the same. The unfortunate brewer tied up long before the events in Aktobe.

              How miserable he is at his grandmothers hens do not peck.
              http://www.caravan.kz/news/chem-vladeet-obvinyaemyjj-v-popytke-organizacii-gospe
              revorota-tokhtar-tuleshov-377262 /
              And so, in my opinion, I consider myself honest, knowing the reality with us and who earned money on something almost by legal means, who has the sum up to the lama of greenery.
              1. novobranets
                novobranets 6 June 2016 17: 51
                +4
                He is unhappy because they sew him what he was not going to do in a dream. Well, think of which one is a rebel? Rebels are those who have nothing to lose, but Tuleshev’s business after all. They tied him up for the noise about the land reform, and I'm afraid that now they can sue (God forbid, of course), as an example, to catch the rest of the cold in one place.
                1. Aqela
                  Aqela 6 June 2016 22: 03
                  0
                  Yeah. Read how the houses of Tyra and Minamoto rebelled in Japan. Well, to whom there was nothing to lose, but that did not save it from the fierce perennial cut. This is so, it immediately occurred to me. World history knows a lot of similar things. The same war of the Scarlet and White Rose in Britain ...
                2. cast iron
                  cast iron 7 June 2016 22: 06
                  0
                  The poor guy only financed terrorists and assassins! What a misfortune! HE was arrested "NIZACHTO"))))
        2. Aposlya
          Aposlya 6 June 2016 19: 28
          -1
          Quote: novobranets
          http://www.kursiv.kz/news/obshestvo/tohtar-tulesov-planiroval-soversit-gosudarst

          vennyj-perevorot /


          Do you think these are links of one chain?
          1. novobranets
            novobranets 7 June 2016 04: 37
            0
            Quote: Aposlya
            Do you think these are links of one chain?

            I think that this is in no way connected. But this is my subjective opinion.
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya 7 June 2016 18: 42
              0
              Quote: novobranets
              I think that this is in no way connected. But this is my subjective opinion.


              this businessman was shut down already in the month of February, it very much seems stupidly like a clan fight ...
    3. Yarik
      Yarik 6 June 2016 09: 35
      +13
      Yanukovych did not break, although he had everything for that. Nazar, without our help, may not break. I was in Kazakhstan on a business trip and saw how the officials "work" there, from morning until lunchtime, and then - a massive sleep. Here, and in this situation, they can sleep through everything.
      1. HERMES
        HERMES 6 June 2016 09: 53
        -42%
        Recently, rumors spread about something similar to happen in Kazakhstan.
        Here begins ...

        There were also rumors that in Kazakhstan there will be formations like the LPR and the DPR in Ukraine ...

        If this happens ... and it turns out that in Kazakhstan it turns out that the Russians are also being "pressed" ... then I will have vague doubts about Russian politics.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 6 June 2016 10: 08
          +11
          Quote: HERMES
          There were also rumors that in Kazakhstan there will be formations like the LPR and the DPR in Ukraine ...

          PRC
        2. avva2012
          avva2012 6 June 2016 10: 08
          +6
          If this happens ... and it turns out that in Kazakhstan it turns out that the Russians are also being "pressed" ... then I will have vague doubts about Russian politics.

          Is your weather RAINY?
        3. AID.S
          AID.S 6 June 2016 10: 26
          +6
          Quote: HERMES
          Rumors have recently spread ..
          Here begins ...

          There were also rumors that in Kazakhstan there will be formations like the LPR and the DPR in Ukraine ...

          If this happens ... and it turns out that in Kazakhstan it turns out that the Russians are also being "pressed" ... then I will have vague doubts about Russian politics.

          And I had hopes that Azerbaijan would solve the Karabakh issue peacefully, taking into account the interests of the Armenian population, but doubts were plagued by vague doubts.
          1. HERMES
            HERMES 6 June 2016 11: 08
            -18%
            Quote: AID.S
            And I had hopes that Azerbaijan would solve the Karabakh issue peacefully, taking into account the interests of the Armenian population, but doubts were plagued by vague doubts.


            Peaceful? And who puts us the wheels in the wheel?
            Interesting however ...
            You support the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan. You admit that Garabakh is occupied. For twenty years Russia has done a lot to solve the problem? Russia only dimmed the fire ... after all, this conflict is very convenient for pulling either Aliyev or Serge by the balls so that they sit "quietly peaceful". We sold a hundred tanks to Azerbaijan, which never hid what they were for.
            The Russians sold weapons that would actually kill the soldiers of their allies.
            The Russian world is the Russian world ... and the Russian soul is like him ... but somehow "capitalist" games called "business and only business" do not fit either with the world or with the soul.

            Declare me a pro-Western scoundrel ... you do this to everyone who does not speak as everyone says. It doesn’t .. whether criticism is fair or not.
            1. AID.S
              AID.S 6 June 2016 13: 57
              +5
              Quote: HERMES
              Peaceful? And who puts us the wheels in the wheel?
              Interesting however ...
              You support the territorial integrity of Azerbaijan.

              I supported the territorial integrity of the USSR. Well, after that (just like a layman) he counted on the wisdom of Azerbaijan and Armenia and their rulers.
              Quote: HERMES
              They sold a hundred tanks to Azerbaijan, which never hid what they were for.

              Perhaps Russia should have put a hundred tanks along with crews, they would have blamed the same way, but it would have been thin, but peace.
              Quote: HERMES
              Declare me a pro-Western scoundrel ... you do this to everyone who does not speak as everyone says. It doesn’t .. whether criticism is fair or not.

              And you are simply a citizen of Azerbaijan, with your point of view. Please do not blame Russia for your troubles.
              Yes, still, the current profile picture is better.
              1. HERMES
                HERMES 7 June 2016 05: 35
                0
                Quote: AID.S
                I supported the territorial integrity of the USSR. Well, after that (just like a layman) he counted on the wisdom of Azerbaijan and Armenia and their rulers.


                Azerbaijan supported the preservation of the USSR ... More than 92% voted FOR ...
                Armenia ... did not support the preservation of the USSR ... More than 94% voted "Against".
                By what criteria did you choose Armenia as your allies ... knowing in advance that Azerbaijan will move away from Russia because of this?

                Elementary arithmetic suggests which people were more loyal to the Russians at the time of the collapse of the USSR.
              2. HERMES
                HERMES 7 June 2016 06: 53
                -1
                Quote: AID.S
                Yes, still, the current profile picture is better.


                Well ... I heeded the advice of a friend ... who made me a day with his comment "change your avatar - clear your karma" wink
            2. Zlyden.Zlo
              Zlyden.Zlo 6 June 2016 20: 25
              +1
              If Israeli tanks were bought there, would it be easier for you?
              1. HERMES
                HERMES 7 June 2016 03: 52
                0
                Quote: Zlyden.Zlo
                If Israeli tanks were bought there, would it be easier for you?


                No ... it would not. I am not against the fact that Russia is selling us a huge amount of weapons, I am just “For.” I just cannot understand why Russia is doing this? In fact, it substitutes Armenia, because the Armenians relocated to Garabakh from Armenia (an ally of the Russian Federation), they died from this very weapon. Trying to freeze the conflict, everything is just the opposite.

                I am sure of one thing, if Russia really wanted a solution to this conflict - it would be resolved in a maximum of a year and a half.
          2. avt
            avt 6 June 2016 12: 43
            +7
            Quote: AID.S
            And I had hopes that Azerbaijan would solve the Karabakh issue peacefully, taking into account the interests of the Armenian population, but doubts were plagued by vague doubts.

            Give up hope everyone entering. The Karabakh conflict can only be frozen, which is exactly what Russia is trying to do. In the medium-term prospect, it is IMPOSSIBLE and NOBODY can decide it through negotiations within the framework of any compromise - they will fight.
        4. avt
          avt 6 June 2016 10: 45
          +15
          Quote: HERMES
          Recently, rumors spread about something similar to happen in Kazakhstan.

          I don’t know who crawled where, but it was WARNED, and even when the Kazakhs and their families went to Syria to fight, yes.
          Quote: HERMES
          There were also rumors that in Kazakhstan there will be formations like the LPR and the DPR in Ukraine ...

          If this happens ... and it turns out that in Kazakhstan it turns out that the Russians are also being "pressed" ... then I will have vague doubts about Russian politics.

          wassat
          Dear transmission! On Saturday, almost crying,
          All Kanatchikova Dacha to the TV was torn.
          Instead of eating, washing, pricking and forgetting,
          The whole insane hospital at the screen gathered.
          laughing They forgot to tell Mir and Grazh about the penultimate malicious, malicious intrigue of Putin, about how he sent barefoot Nadia Savchenko to the parliament! She is definitely an FSB agent and Putin personally appropriated her in prison with the operational pseudonym -Gadya. That's what touches me in you ancient, proud, independent national ex-republics of the USSR, so it's your own impotence in state-owned construction to be attributed to the malicious attacks of Russia. the fact that having received a piece from the collapse of the USSR is stupid, like those dancers who get in the way of eggs, even ate and accept universal human values, well, how now great ukry hit the bugger with a parade on "Russian aggression", all one thing Russia is to blame. What are you there? beaten and there is nothing to see? laughing
          1. HERMES
            HERMES 6 June 2016 11: 32
            +1
            Quote: avt
            Russia is all to blame. Are you there? Seba’s mirrors have been broken and there’s nothing to see? laughing


            You know ... such a High Mordia (I love this word) that I began to watch recently in the Russian media ... among the commentators on this site ... this did not happen before. Correctly, one comrade noted ... that most of them are really educated and sober-minded commentators on this site have disappeared. I now understand why ...

            Instead of giving a reasoned and logical answer ... refuting my speculations and proving that I or someone else is wrong ... they simply move the arrows and begin to engage in pseudo-sarcasm. Talk begins about the moral and spiritual superiority of Russians over the "Caucasian Papuans", Central Asian steppe squint "..." We are Russians "..." we will tear everyone apart "..." everyone is out ... "...
            Doesn't look like anything ... something like "Magna Germania" from the speeches of the 30s coming from the depths?

            In my case, most often such cases occur in the form of jokes about the market, tomatoes, watermelons, traders ...

            Quote: avt
            Are you there? Seba’s mirrors have been broken and there’s nothing to see?


            A mirror? ... be wise ... make a mirror for us too ... and don't forget to set yourself up.
            1. avt
              avt 6 June 2016 12: 38
              +10
              Quote: HERMES
              Instead of arguing reasonably and logically ... to refute my speculations and prove that I or someone else is wrong ... they just turn the arrows and start to engage in pseudo sarcasm.

              - Listen, Gleb, how cool it all is for you: quickly, deftly. Here I would learn so.
              “You need to learn how to work with a witness.”
              - Why not?
              - Because in every secret deal there will always be a person who has heard, seen, knows, remembers or guesses.
              And your task is to get all this information out of him.
              - Gleb, why do you know how to fish this information out, but, say, Kolya Taraskin does not know how?
              - But because Kolya Taraskin is a young isho. And then Kolya Taraskin does not know the six rules of Gleb Zheglov. You, so be it, I’ll say.
              Go to the archive, well, when I regularly send and read - before everything was described and not only Az was sinful, especially when here on the site BEFORE the Maidan they were hacked with quite not stupid people from Ukraine. So it’s not
              Quote: HERMES
              pseudo-sarcasm.

              And quite a sarcasm, from a vision quite expected and announced earlier.
              Quote: HERMES
              ... be wise ... make a mirror for us too ..

              You will interrupt - one hell declare it as tricks and Mpertsy trying to enslave in a cunning manner gentle and fluffy new ancient states. It’s enough that within the framework of the USSR / Russia Empire, national territories were created and sometimes created to their own misfortune into states, a considerable part of whose population jumps out of their pants in all kinds of jumps in order to prove, if not their own greatness, then at least some kind of equality with the baskets in 1991 Russia, as the successor of the USSR. Now something like that.
              Quote: HERMES
              Doesn't look like anything ... something like "Magna Germania" from the speeches of the 30s coming from the depths?

              You rejoice at this, and I am here more than once, to the "national comrades in the localities" who are inflated in their own greatness of Iskender Macedon and Genghis Khan, having appointed themselves there, that in Russia he is marginal and is not the fundamental ideology of building a state, again unlike the new ancient national states, where nationalism by local elites is taken as an ideology to retain personal power, well, of course, different levels of intensity, and EVERYWHERE it goes in opposition to Russia, again the level of intensity is different.
            2. DarkMatter
              DarkMatter 6 June 2016 12: 45
              +19
              Sorry, but here you are absolutely wrong. Less rarely, but now one minus mine.
              I did not notice that someone here began to insult others and call them Papuans and in other words of the Nazi sense. I hope this is not written specifically, and not in order to arrange something here. Be careful, especially when you attribute insults to other people.
              And about "prove reasonably" and so on. Well, here you know, let's say I'll think about it and I will have speculations that your president, not only with children, but with animals, is engaged in all sorts of lewdness (God forbid, I will present this truth, this is just a clear example of delirium), and then I will say - well, prove what's wrong. In response, you say that I am sick, or even send me far away. After which I will throw my finger up and raise "Aha! Where are the arguments and logical proof?"
              And the funny thing is that if a person even made such a stupid assumption (I still hope that you are not a provocateur)) began to really give evidence and arguments, he would show a note written by Putin personally with all the seals, etc., top secret, where he tells the truth about the plans of Russia and non-involvement in any events, there will still be people (maybe you?) who will say that this is a fake and that they still haven’t proved or convinced anything, and if you throw a fake, you hide the truth - it means you are guilty!
              The point is that any event or documents, anything, can be turned over quite easily, if there is at least a little knowledge and practice.
              What arguments do you need to believe? It is absolutely obvious that Russia least of all needs one of the closest allies to wallow in the attacks of terrorists, revolution, war, or whatever begins according to your information. In my opinion, it’s not like Logic, here simple common sense suggests that it will be worse if all this begins (except for Kazakhstan) just for Russia. So we got such answers - you ask stupid questions, you get stupid answers)) By the way, could you indicate where the info comes from about the Kazakh LPR and the DPR wassat
              1. Vasiliev Yu
                Vasiliev Yu 6 June 2016 13: 32
                +2
                Cleverly and intelligibly explained.
                But as always, with inadequate and confident that only they are right, it will fly by.
                As I always say: Stupidly stupid to explain that he is stupid. Stupid this occupation.
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES 7 June 2016 04: 04
                  +1
                  Quote: vasiliev yu
                  Cleverly and intelligibly explained.
                  But as always, with inadequate and confident that only they are right, it will fly by.
                  As I always say: Stupidly stupid to explain that he is stupid. Stupid this occupation.


                  Let's be honest ... read the Ukrainian what they write on this site about Ukraine ... he can also write. The truth of the truth varies from the angle of view of it.

                  You will be as stupid for him as he is for you.
                  Who is right? The answer to this question will again go to arguments and scoffs. In a circle ... because after the completion of the "discussion" both will still consider each other stupid.
              2. HERMES
                HERMES 7 June 2016 06: 48
                -1
                Quote: DarkMatter
                I did not notice that someone here began to insult others and call them Papuans and in other words of the Nazi sense.

                If you didn’t notice it ... it doesn’t mean that it doesn’t. This fact can be confirmed by my fellow countrymen, Armenians ... Ukrainians.
                Quote: DarkMatter
                I hope this is not written specifically, and not in order to arrange something here.

                I’m not a provocateur ... otherwise I would have been rejected a long time ago, all the more ... that I mainly discuss in such topics. And the lion's share of my comments are in such topics. I am often rejected ... but later chewing my thoughts. ..I am changing my attitude towards myself. This time I will not do it .... there is neither time nor desire.
                Quote: DarkMatter
                Be careful, especially when you attribute insults to other people.

                I never attribute that which is not.
                I once "caught" a site filter on one interesting feature. It filters in a very interesting and selective way. It does not pass the word "m0scal" and similar ones ... but words like:
                "khachik", "black-ass", "chock", "crest" as you can see, no. Moreover ... when I first wrote about this, in the last part of the answer to the comment, which was the first part of the above words by me, my moderator the comment was deleted ... so they also issued a warning. Despite the fact that the comment, in response to which I wrote all this, remained.
                1. HERMES
                  HERMES 7 June 2016 06: 49
                  0
                  Quote: DarkMatter
                  "Aha! Where are the arguments and logical proof?"

                  Quote: DarkMatter
                  What arguments do you need to believe?

                  Quote: DarkMatter
                  In my opinion, it’s not like Logic, it’s just common sense

                  I saw it all in the 90s ... Garabagh ... NKAO ... I heard it all in the 90s: Chechnya ... in the middle of the 10s: Georgia, in the XNUMXs ... Ukraine.

                  All to each other proved something ... they denied something.
                  You are to blame, he is to blame ...
                  And the blood continued to pour.

                  Because everyone proved and refuted everything from one source - lies. On both sides ... always. Because each side is actually forced to believe in this truth. In illusion.
                  "Give the slave the illusion of freedom, and he will not rebel." I often repeat this.

                  Now everyone is talking about 1945 ... 1941 ... Victory ... Fascism ... won. We won.
                  ..we are stronger ... Bandera.
                  But what I heard from the veterans of this war ... what they told ... what they saw. Here it is true. And it differs from the official truth ... from books, from photographs ...
                  What has changed since then ... the truth that the media is bringing to us ... documents, photographs, where you can’t understand. Is it true?
                  After all, everyone knows that if you show a real photo, write the right text to it, pronounce it with the right intonation ... you can turn everything inside out.
                  Recently there was news that Aliyev spoke about the nuclear threat from Armenia ... all this news was ridiculed.
                  And they laughed because they forgot to add one small fact to this article ... that it was a response to the statements of an Armenian MP who spoke about nuclear or "dirty" weapons available to Armenia. Aliyev could not miss such a good chance to laugh at the Armenians. For what purpose did this news appear on the site in its similar truncated state?

                  The Devil’s main goal is to make sure that they don’t believe in him.
            3. Crown
              Crown 6 June 2016 12: 52
              +3
              That’s precisely why the Baltic states, Ukrainians, and take off against us are united. Ukrainians, chocks, Chukhontsy, cross-eyed, etc. .. Can I call names enough?
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 6 June 2016 21: 49
                0
                maybe it's just with them from anger and envy?
            4. CORNET
              CORNET 6 June 2016 13: 02
              -5
              Quote: HERMES
              such a High Pride (I love this word), which I began to observe recently in the Russian media ... among the commentators on this site ... this did not happen before. Correctly, one comrade noted ... that most really educated and sober-minded commentators on this site has disappeared. I now understand why ...

              Turkish troll ... from Azerbaijan! How did he prepare the ground here ....! You will answer for Armenia ...! bully I have seen such ... "silent" and smiling ... We will wet (Allah forbid that Azerbaijan is involved in this ..)
              It has long been .... (will you goodbye to the bastards!)
              1. Monarchist
                Monarchist 6 June 2016 15: 35
                +1
                You are right enough to call names (insults only lead to ...). And provocateurs and the third of all stripes must be in the "toilet"
              2. HERMES
                HERMES 7 June 2016 03: 44
                +2
                Quote: CORNET
                Turkish troll ... from Azerbaijan! How did he prepare the soil here ....! You will answer for Armenia ...! bully I have seen such ... "silent" and smiling ... We will wet them (Allah forbid that Azerbaijan is involved in this ..)


                We will be responsible for Armenia? What should we be responsible for? Please clarify. I communicate with Armenians on this site ... I discuss ... and almost all of them turn to me on you. As I do with them. Naturally, our points of view are enough often do not converge. But neither they, nor I are never rude to each other. Our relationship can be described as "good acquaintances." So it's very strange ... that sometimes the representatives of Russia in topics about Armenia or Azerbaijan are expressed much more rudely.

                Quote: CORNET
                goodbye to the bastards!


                Let’s say I’m a provocateur ... being from Azerbaijan. You just because of one (!) Provocateur began to drive the barrel to the whole State and people. That's exactly the way it is easiest to sow hostility between nations. The scoundrels let provocateurs on the one hand ... they muddy the water ... then comes the response from the other side. Each side feeds its crowd with corresponding speeches. And what happens as a result? On a historical example: those who launched the action hold Maidan ... nationalism rises, former traitors become heroes. On the other hand appears DNI, LC and angry Russia. So ... two people hate each other fiercely.
                And on both sides they say:
                Quote: CORNET
                I've seen such ... "silent" and smiling ...

                ... what is happening today. "To wet in the toilet" does not need a lot of mind ... this is the original goal of the instigators. And who the instigators are, you probably know.
            5. Monarchist
              Monarchist 6 June 2016 15: 16
              +1
              We are discussing what happened in Aktobe. In my opinion there is some home-grown guru with a criminal tinge frolicking. Look: REAL Muslims will not soak everything in a row, and even in the holy month of Ramadan. and everyone looks) and let's buzz. The appearance there of "DNLRov" is not in the interests of Putin (extra hemorrhoids). But this happens when the third "player" appears. Then rumors like "our e..t" or "Russian Mosque burned." For plausibility, they will find a few scumbags, they will give Russian machine guns or Nazarbayev's Order (now it's easy). Remember: “letters of the Comintern,” the fire of the Reichstag, etc. Is logical? And “arrogance or broken mirrors” is superfluous.
              1. HERMES
                HERMES 7 June 2016 04: 35
                0
                Quote: Monarchist
                .The appearance there "DNLRov" not in the interests of Putin (extra hemorrhoids)


                And if it were in Putin’s interests, how would you react to this?
                Wouldn’t the same conversations like Ukraine have begun, the media would have contributed ... and voila. Butch would start.
                Quote: Monarchist
                Then there will be rumors like "our e..t" or "the Russians burned the mosque."

                And it would be like this: "our e..t" or "the Kazakhs burned the Church." With all the consequences ... and the result of the "resulting" we are now seeing in Ukraine.
                In Ukraine, one crowd of idiots is currently fighting on one side ... on the other, the other. Both are nationalized in the trash ... both "defend" the interests of their peoples. And ordinary Russians and Ukrainians suffer who in fact did not quarrel with each other ...

                It seems to me ... Putin took advantage of the Maidan storm in Ukraine to return Crimea (in fairness ... the Russians shed a lot of blood for this land at one time, and it should be part of the Russian Federation)

                To quarrel between two peoples, even very close ones, is like digging in the nose. Because the fate of relations between peoples is not in the hands of the people themselves. Today we are friends ... tomorrow, enemies ... believe me. Those in power know how to persuade. So for them. we are "trembling creatures".

                The first person who really loved his people and did everything for him was Vladimir Ilyich Ulyanov.
                Who was nothing will become everything .. Who was the last that will be the first.
        5. Che Guevara
          Che Guevara 6 June 2016 12: 32
          +23
          I’ve accidentally pissed off a psycho, I don’t have to avoid such trolls, but I need to thrombus, I live in the KZ, 90% of Kazakhs are friends, there are no more hostile and tolerant nations. although there are exceptions as in any country, but the Kazakhs themselves put them in their place.
          1. Zhar2012
            Zhar2012 6 June 2016 13: 45
            +14
            I agree with chegevara. Kazakhs are one of the few nations for which practical nationalism is absent. Someone will say, oh yes it can’t be! There is tribalism, that is, kinship, this is completely different. Kazakhs are very fond of relatives and are usually pulled, this is not always good in terms of work, but they rally family ties. And if you learned a few phrases in the Kazakh language, I think no one disdains coming to visit to say the words thankfully the style in the language of the invitees, then you respect and respect. I remember at the weddings of the Kazakhs several times I was and saw the performance of a Russian couple. I was wondering why she was invited, it turned out that the guy in the dance couple speaks Kazakh well. And all .... only because of this they invited. And not any nationalism, although it is in all nationalities.
          2. Igor39
            Igor39 6 June 2016 14: 00
            +12
            I agree with Chegevara, I grew up with the Kazakhs, I have never heard of nationalism.
          3. AID.S
            AID.S 6 June 2016 14: 05
            +4
            Quote: Chegevara
            I live in the KZ, friends of 90 percent of Kazakhs, there are no more hostile and tolerant nations. although there are exceptions as in any country, the Kazakhs themselves put them in their place.

            Ahh, we Horde, always find a common language !!! laughing
          4. Aposlya
            Aposlya 6 June 2016 19: 37
            0
            ... still to understand WHAT exactly happens in Aktobe ... there were several videos and everything is still silence, except for the fact that officialdom gives out ...
            1. prosto_rgb
              prosto_rgb 6 June 2016 22: 13
              +1
              Quote: Aposlya
              ... still to understand WHAT exactly happens in Aktobe ... there were several videos and everything is still silence, except for the fact that officialdom gives out ...


              What's happening
              completely cut off the connection, only if via satellite, and even then it is not a fact that they did not drown
              blocked roads
              in the city are conducting a total systematic inspection and stripping
              -documents + month registration is - do not get out at home
              -same + legal registered weapon - hand over the weapon to special orders and stay at home
              - there are no documents, there are weapons - disarmament in the CPC.
              - there are no documents there is a weapon and an attempt to use it - kulavlobov
              - there are documents there are weapons and an attempt to use them - kulavlobov

              And so house by house, apartment by apartment, block by block.
              Lots of work.
        6. iliya87
          iliya87 6 June 2016 14: 27
          0
          Believe what politicians say including Nazarbayev - this is just the tip. if the legs grew from Russia, he would have already broken many lines of cooperation, at least he would have stopped the beginning, and we see a different picture. Here the internal forces that Nazarbayev pounded for can stand, just in such coups a major player should stand behind him, otherwise the authorities should not hold on, everyone will say this is a coup and no one will have anything to do with such a newly-formed state oops. Therefore, the loot and a strong state should provide support, and this is clearly not Russia, it’s just that it’s not at all profitable for us at the moment.
          1. HERMES
            HERMES 7 June 2016 05: 22
            +1
            Quote: iliya87
            iliya87

            The first answers are normal and pleasant to read ... Thank you.

            I didn’t say that legs grow from Russia ... but they grow from somewhere. Moreover, at least one leg from outside.

            It’s just that if the Russians are involved in the bucha (as pressers), a popular front appears that defends the Russian minority ... the events will follow a very familiar scenario in Ukraine. Even if the foot is not from Russia ... who said that Putin will not take advantage of this. in such a scenario, the attitude of states, and with them, undoubtedly, the relations of peoples will greatly deteriorate.

            If Nazarbayev does not cope with the mutilators (whoever they are (and they will most likely be nationalists among other things) ... the Russian population will suffer. After all, the Russians will not sit quietly as they did not sit in Ukraine. The same thing will begin. ... LPR ... DPR ... Donbass ... Bandera ... The media will contribute. And then ... there will be Kazakh nationalists ... who, judging by the comments of those living in Kazakhstan, were not born.
            The West will again blame Russia for everything ...
            And regardless of whether Putin is involved in all this or not ... ordinary people will suffer again.
        7. cast iron
          cast iron 7 June 2016 22: 10
          0
          You have no doubt, as soon as the nationalist Maidan takes place in Kazakhstan, immediately the northern Russian-speaking regions will retreat to their historical homeland. No one will leave the Russians living under the crazy Nazi Islamists. Putin is not Borya Yeltsin, who abandoned all Russians.
      2. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 6 June 2016 13: 03
        +5
        Officials work at the weekend, they only dream! You know a lot!
        1. Zhar2012
          Zhar2012 6 June 2016 13: 48
          +4
          I agree. A friend works in a veterinary inspection. The salary is 75 thousand tenge, and they pull it day and night, more people write complaints and get checks. I ask you why, he says someone must work, and the crisis will not hit the business much.
          1. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 6 June 2016 22: 17
            0
            Quote: Zahar2012
            I agree. A friend works in a veterinary inspection. The salary is 75 thousand tenge, and they pull it day and night, more people write complaints and get checks. I ask you why, he says someone must work, and the crisis will not hit the business much.

            Thank you for your opinion.
            I believe people, but no news.
            you can ask a question, when do you indicate the prices and chickens indicate 1 $ = so much Tenge
            we have in Belarus 1 $ = 20000 rubles. (Yes, 20 thousand., This is before the denomination)
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya 7 June 2016 18: 44
              +1
              Quote: prosto_rgb
              you can ask a question, when do you indicate the prices and chickens indicate 1 $ = so much Tenge
              we have in Belarus 1 $ = 20000 rubles. (Yes, 20 thousand., This is before the denomination)


              1 dollar = 333 tenge ...
              1. prosto_rgb
                prosto_rgb 8 June 2016 00: 46
                0
                Quote: Aposlya
                Quote: prosto_rgb
                you can ask a question, when do you indicate the prices and chickens indicate 1 $ = so much Tenge
                we have in Belarus 1 $ = 20000 rubles. (Yes, 20 thousand., This is before the denomination)


                1 dollar = 333 tenge ...

                thank you hi
    4. russkiy redut
      russkiy redut 6 June 2016 12: 10
      +1
      Perhaps the enemies will try to destabilize Kazakhstan, when we have elections in the fall, so that ours is not up to them, they will simultaneously overwhelm us with all kinds of propaganda. Slowly getting close to the Russian bear will not be frightened off ahead of time.
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    6. siberalt
      siberalt 6 June 2016 20: 58
      0
      Not enough information for comments. Aktyubinsk - northern Kazakhstan, on the border with Russia, will not be far from Tselinograd. And what kind of coup can there be? Let the sovereign neighbors forgive me, but calling the cities by their former names is somehow easier to navigate.
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  3. The black
    The black 6 June 2016 09: 19
    +11
    Attacks in Aktobe: the work of local radicals?
    Radicals may be local, but the ears are clearly growing because of the hillock. This is an obvious attempt to take revenge on the authorities for the recent failed Kazakh "Maidan".
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 June 2016 19: 50
      +1
      Quote: Black
      Radicals may be local, but the ears are clearly growing because of the hillock. This is an obvious attempt to take revenge on the authorities for the recent failed Kazakh "Maidan".


      If there are Salafis involved (well, those who are Wahhabis), then I won’t be surprised if the threads lead to the Saudis ...
      1. Max_Bauder
        Max_Bauder 6 June 2016 22: 19
        +1
        Quote: Aposlya
        If there are Salafis involved (well, those who are Wahhabis), then I won’t be surprised if the threads lead to the Saudis ...


        I think the same thing, their mullahs work in Dagestan in Russia, and they’re not calm there, and they don’t sleep in Chechnya, Aktobe is near the Caucasus, there may be a connection.
  4. parusnik
    parusnik 6 June 2016 09: 27
    +12
    A familiar handwriting ... somewhere they have already acted and are acting, and not at all for a long time .. Probably I have poor eyesight .. But somehow, behind the radicals, the ears of Fashington are visible ...
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 6 June 2016 10: 01
      0
      Quote: parusnik
      But somehow behind the backs of these radicals are visible ears of Fashington ..


      Why did they allow Fashington to hang ears everywhere? The US climbs everywhere, because it can ... and when "merde" happens near the borders of Russia ... Russia is to blame for this. Because they gave the opportunity. All Russia's troubles happen precisely because of this indifference and the use of the "sit and watch" tactics.

      They sat and watched ... watched the floor of Europe. Did the Baltic go to NATO? Does Ukraine want NATO? The Balkans are in NATO? Did you expect something else?
      1. avva2012
        avva2012 6 June 2016 10: 13
        +3
        Why did they allow Fashington to hang ears everywhere? The US climbs everywhere, because it can ... and when "merde" happens near the borders of Russia ... Russia is to blame for this.

        Nu-nu. laughing And, tell me, dear man, "how was it necessary?"
        Maybe it’s true, it’s high time to change the migration policy?
        1. HERMES
          HERMES 6 June 2016 10: 48
          0
          Quote: avva2012
          long time to change migration policy?


          Tell me honestly, comrade ... why did you write this? You probably forgot about the bazaar and tomatoes ...

          And anything without " laughing "Can you write scoffs? How do you see the solution to these problems?
          1. avva2012
            avva2012 6 June 2016 15: 23
            +2
            Quote: HERMES Probably forgot about the bazaar and tomatoes ...

            Yeah, I forgot. Now I am ashamed of the mere thought that Russia exists on August 2, I will begin to make excuses, "Yes, for whom do you take us ...?!".
            No, you are wrong. It doesn’t matter to me which flag you have on your avatar, even sickle-hammer. But, if the author of the commentary begins to sprinkle excrement on my state, then, I recall that the migration policy in my country is worthless. And even though you do not trade at least 100% Russian and mandarin oranges on the market.
            And something without laughing can you write mesmerizing? How do you see a solution to these problems?

            What for? You just hate Russia. Why, should I take a recipe from a clever but an enemy?
      2. avt
        avt 6 June 2016 13: 12
        +4
        Quote: HERMES
        b.All the troubles of Russia happen precisely because of this indifference and the use of the "sit and watch" tactics.

        laughing ANY not, do not care "is just the same roar of the locomotive national gospodar. In the feeling you Belarusian Batska with jav," they bend us down! " “I don’t trade in Suvaryanitet!” With the subsequent vytsyganivanie material nishtyaks. Finally, thank God, we really start
        Quote: HERMES
        Sat watching ...

        and not just, but we are equipping a more comfortable sitting place, here in the Crimea, to the western border, two brigades were transferred from the Urals, the 1st tank brigade is being revived, well, we stopped listening to the eternal Batskino - “We will fix you.” Absolutely correct strategy, in which, , the body of your enemy
        Quote: HERMES
        half of Europe. The Baltic states went to NATO? Ukraine wants to NATO? Balkans to NATO
        will float by the stream " bully Ukraine, the elite of which since 1991 has received little from Russia, has already begun to move downstream and the point of no return to the campaign has already passed.
        1. Aposlya
          Aposlya 6 June 2016 19: 52
          0
          Quote: avt
          In the feeling of you Belarusian Batska with jav, they are bending us down! "" I don’t trade in Suvaryanitet! "


          By the way, Sharks, around the Old Man began stirring in the Russian media ... Politics is changing or what? Or some other reasons?
          1. avt
            avt 6 June 2016 22: 01
            +2
            Quote: Aposlya
            around Old Man began stirring in the Russian media ... Politics is changing or what? Or some other reasons?
            nothing new, all the same, but adjusted for the aggravated international situation and military hysteria on our western borders.
            But father really wants to continue in the spirit
            You can't stay here
            they probably set off in pursuit.
            “What do we do with the horse, Bob?”
            - Your Bolivar will survive for two
            But Bolivar’s master is at the Kremlin
            Old Man Bolivar was completely exhausted.
            It’s a pity that your bay girl broke her leg.
            What would you like to do? There is really no money to drag with all his Wishlist, but there are no specific movements, as with a base for the RF Air Force in the form of real political unity. Moreover, unlike the National Academy of Sciences, which honestly and frankly said - the EAEU is an economic union - no politics and supranational structures, Batska wags his tail - a state government. Well, in the light of the current realities, the jokes are over and it will be necessary to be washed ashore. And Kolya's dad does not want, he wants to be rich, but healthy as before, and in the end, well, just like the great ukry, his energy minister sang a song about the "fair gas price" at $ 73 per cube. The result is simple - Russia is on the defensive equips the line along its western border, well, there is no time in the face of real military hysteria to be conducted on Batskino - "We will screw you up! You have nothing in the west." Now will be. Again, in view of the lack of political and military preferences for supporting the “Belarusian economic miracle”, it is proposed to be like all members of the EAEU - do you want to swim in the development of oil and gas fields? Invest money, but there is no money. To repay the national elite. Who, but not Ukraine, didn’t care about the Russian well. But Batska smoothly mutated from "Belarusian is Russian with a quality mark" to quite Lithuanian. Well, the media only mildly state the state of affairs. And this already raises accusations of persecution, and even the most stubborn in the "brotherhood of peoples" comes, moreover, through Batskin's chants, that in addition to the allocated preferences, EVERY next step next to Russia must be paid separately and not sour. Abkhazia, when no one pulled his tongue at all - he asked for it himself and he demanded to compensate for the entire volume of supplies to the west - like they will suddenly be sanctioned, well, and then up to sea oysters from Belarusian swamps. drive smuggling impudently, close our eyes to the fact that your cows will be milked immediately with powdered milk - make cheese and sell. That is, depict at least about 30% of processing and sell the final product. Well, his reaction was heard at the last meeting of the EAEU. sanctions, and what have I got to do with it? Well, what kind of "only ally" is this "in the" union state "? he blurted out a different currency and did not fulfill it, the GDP explains to him.
            1. Aposlya
              Aposlya 7 June 2016 18: 48
              0
              Quote: avt
              And he was asked - well, keep at least decency! Well, don't drive the smuggling insolently, let's close our eyes to the fact that your cows will be milked immediately with powdered milk - make cheese and sell. That is, depict at least about 30% of processing and sell the final product. Well, his reaction was heard at the last meeting of the EAEU. Like your sanctions, and what have I to do with it? Well .... what is this, the only ally "in the union state"? There should be flies separately from cutlets, and once again it should be quite specific to him, like when he blurted out about the single currency and did not fulfill it, the GDP explains to him ...


              Listen, but I already forgot! Well, exactly - you have a Union State with him somewhere ...
              Thanks for the clarification...
          2. prosto_rgb
            prosto_rgb 6 June 2016 22: 30
            -2
            Quote: Aposlya
            Quote: avt
            In the feeling of you Belarusian Batska with jav, they are bending us down! "" I don’t trade in Suvaryanitet! "


            By the way, Sharks, around the Old Man began stirring in the Russian media ... Politics is changing or what? Or some other reasons?


            Rygorych last weekend rolled in an embroidered shirt on a tractor.
            It seems to be equated with the Bulba-Bandera as a Christ-beautician.
            Yes, and for Krymnash with Abkhazia and Assetia did not answer ...
            So, what to give the Vitebsk People’s Republic of Belarus Belarusian Donbas.
            http://topwar.ru/88325-kuda-kachnetsya-belaya-rus.html
            1. avt
              avt 7 June 2016 09: 18
              0
              Quote: prosto_rgb
              Yes, and for Krymnash with Abkhazia and Assetia did not answer ...

              Read carefully, answered and how
              Quote: avt
              . So it was with South Ossetia and Abkhazia, when no one pulled his tongue at all - he asked for it and he demanded to compensate for the entire volume delivered to the West - like they would suddenly sanction

              With what joy should Russia pay for every sneeze?
              Quote: prosto_rgb
              It seems to be equated with the Bulba-Bandera as a Christ-beautician.

              Well then why? When and where did they call Bandera? But for gas with the requirement
              Quote: avt
              ,, fair gas price "at $ 73 per cube

              How does yon - the great litvin differ from the great men? Only by the fact that at one time it called the mind not to climb a drill and transfer the pipeline to Gazprom on good terms, but he has already lowered those pennies on the “Belarusian economic miracle.” And since in reality his financial pyramid is crumbling under the weight of loan payments, and the pyramid is not maybe no one is collapsing and no one gives money for "sayuznae state" in the world - only for specific pledges and political nishtyaks a little bit. That is what he returned - "They bend us down! We are between a rock and a hard place" Well, with what such joy that Putin has to puzzle his head, who is he, the hammer, or the anvil? bully
      3. parusnik
        parusnik 6 June 2016 13: 25
        +2
        Do you propose to occupy the Baltic states, Ukraine, Belarus, Transcaucasia, Central Asia ..? .. That would not view ..
        1. avt
          avt 6 June 2016 13: 41
          +3
          Quote: parusnik
          Do you propose to occupy the Baltic states, the Ukraine, Belarus, Transcaucasia, Central Asia ..?.

          Sewing Decree 7-8, Chief?
          I sew?
          What do I have to do with it?
          If you looked at yourself from the side, Ruchnikov, you would have noticed that the decree of August 7, which you call 7-8, is imprinted on your forehead.
          And your Volokushina’s accomplice - all the more!
          No need to rush
          Quote: parusnik
          ..What not to look at ..

          Tearing the green fruit can be poisoned.
          1. parusnik
            parusnik 6 June 2016 14: 29
            +1
            avt ... This is me for HERMES ... wrote ...Tearing a green fruit can poison you... persimmon should ripen and fall by itself ..
  5. newcomer
    newcomer 6 June 2016 09: 27
    +6
    on the one hand it says that there is no outer hand. on the other, about the increased tactical level of terrorists. the question is if there is no external puppeteer, then they train inside, under the nose of the knb? I personally think this is another move in a chess battle in which the West and Amers want to build an instability belt along the borders of the Russian Federation. There is a topic for reflection of the republican authorities.
  6. CORNET
    CORNET 6 June 2016 09: 33
    +3
    If Kazakhstan also falls into the inferno of civil war (like Ukraine) it will be terrible .... The plan to surround Russia with sanctions and a "ring of fire" begins to work ... What do you think the men will endure ..?
    1. dr. sem
      dr. sem 6 June 2016 09: 45
      +4
      Vydyuzhm only WITHOUT TOTAL of the Current Government with the simultaneous Nationalization of the Central Bank.
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 6 June 2016 10: 48
        +13
        Quote: dr. sem
        Vydyuzhm only WITHOUT TOTAL of the Current Government with the simultaneous Nationalization of the Central Bank.

        What do you all this Central Bank, one place burns ..... If nationalization, then everything needs to be nationalized ...! We have a market economy and everything is tied to the Rockefellers, the Morgans, etc. .... (or for a simple ruble to oil and the dollar))) the USA has the same canoe ... Well, Stalin can get into your brain, again! (No wonder they hate him so much ..)
        1. dr. sem
          dr. sem 6 June 2016 11: 21
          +1
          Where you have to start while the country is still there ...
          1. CORNET
            CORNET 6 June 2016 11: 37
            +2
            Quote: dr. sem
            Where you have to start while the country is still there ...

            ARMY AND NAVY! We start from this ... And everything else will be added, I hope, I think so! hi
            1. kepmor
              kepmor 6 June 2016 13: 35
              +1
              In 1991, there was an ARMY and Navy, only more powerful than now, but what is the result?
        2. Monarchist
          Monarchist 6 June 2016 15: 48
          +2
          I am not a communist, but I will probably agree with Comrade Stalin: Washington will do anything for the sake of "a handful of dollars"
  7. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 6 June 2016 09: 34
    +6
    The alarm is very. Nazarbayev is not eternal, with all due respect to him, he does not have a worthy successor. The West is trying its best to undermine the situation.
    1. nikon7717
      nikon7717 6 June 2016 12: 36
      -2
      The respect is relative. As the Russians survived and pogroms in Kazakhstan, they did not pass. If one of the Kazakhs does not stop this, and continues to nationalize with the survival of the Russian kirdyk to them. Or do Kazakhs have potential without Russians and they will not be eaten?
      1. Zhar2012
        Zhar2012 6 June 2016 13: 55
        +7
        And you, dear, give an example of pogroms. That I don’t remember that. Although there are comrades who bawl about harassment and ask for help. This is when you move to Russia, they will arrange it faster and give money. They are Aogorelians poor, weathered. Tell me where it was, I know the Kazakhs, they themselves would have squeezed such an squeezer out of the country. Normally Russians live there. Sometimes it comes to a curiosity. In the service station we work only Russian guys and Kazakhs do not take, as all private traders and practical friendly teams. The Kazakhs are offended by this, but they are silent. I went to Semey, I killed a hodovka and drove to the service station and was surprised by the Kazakh master on hodovka. He laughed, explained to Stoshnik what the joke was, you know, he did not believe that specialization is on a national basis. So we Russian have their bends.
    2. nikon7717
      nikon7717 6 June 2016 12: 36
      -2
      The respect is relative. As the Russians survived and pogroms in Kazakhstan, they did not pass. If one of the Kazakhs does not stop this, and continues to nationalize with the survival of the Russian kirdyk to them. Or do Kazakhs have potential without Russians and they will not be eaten?
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 6 June 2016 20: 06
        +3
        Pogroms were Jewish in Germany!
        But to Kazakhstan! It's ridiculous! You are either a dreamer or with K-Peks!
      2. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 6 June 2016 21: 55
        0
        Chinese and eat - they are close, K-Peks far.
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  8. newcomer
    newcomer 6 June 2016 09: 37
    +4
    cornet, stretched. Paid coordination of Kazakhstan specialists with ours is needed. we have something to share, all the same, our experience is great.
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 6 June 2016 09: 49
      +6
      Quote: newbie
      cornet, stretched. Paid coordination of Kazakhstan specialists with ours is needed. we have something to share, all the same, our experience is great.

      I also hope so .... hi But 2 years ago, he raised this topic that a gang (prepared) would pass through Kazakhstan like a knife in butter ... I did not see the border guards from their side, nor did I see cops (everyone on the bakshish lakes is removed from hunters and fishermen))) From our there is a structure, but everything is strange on foreign cars near the commandant's office and at least one old armored personnel carrier was ... "Iskander" they say they drove it, but it's too expensive to wet the gangs .... Even if you dig a trench (and there is still no weapon) You need to buy, I think it will come in handy soon .. hi Oh, I don’t like all this, I smell blood in the steppe ...
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 6 June 2016 12: 08
        0
        Quote: CORNET
        take off bakshish on the lakes

        I emphasize once again - your experience as a fisherman is an example of what you should strive for. hi
        1. CORNET
          CORNET 6 June 2016 13: 37
          0
          Quote: Humpty
          Quote: CORNET
          take off bakshish on the lakes

          I emphasize once again - your experience as a fisherman is an example of what you should strive for. hi

          You do not understand .. Sample ..?)))) Well, you are a liberal person as far as I know! Let's get started!
      2. Zhar2012
        Zhar2012 6 June 2016 13: 59
        +9
        As I know. There are 5-6 times less border guards from Kazakhstan than from the Russian border. The country has a long border, and there is no need to cover it from the country of Russia. What brings bad Russia. The southern border is yes, there are more border guards and fortifications. So you do not take the Russian side as a model, they do not take it seriously. Important sites are the southern and eastern directions. Like in the good old days of the USSR.
        1. Humpty
          Humpty 6 June 2016 16: 37
          -3
          Quote: Zahar2012
          The country has a long border, and there is no need to cover it from the country of Russia. What brings bad Russia. The southern border is yes, there are more border guards and fortifications.


          And what threats from the south, specifics can be read? Just do not about Afghanistan, it is still far from you. Turkmens on camels and jeeps are preparing a seizure? Or do the Chimkent Uzbeks draw on their maps? Maybe the Kyrgyz herds prepared for grazing on the well-known Anarchai hills?

          Say about drug trafficking, then yes there is. But it also passes through Kazakhstan. Cocaine, for example, does not grow in the CA and the Chinese do not supply it.
          And by the way, how are successes in the field of combating drugs at the border ...
          But how many efforts, towers, machine gunners (so far without harmonica),
          thorn, various bullying, extortion. Dogs with dirty paws, washed interior stomp, mandatory x-ray. Partial analysis of cars. And good luck! They caught a monkey, a drug addict with two grams of dust purely for seb. Or a stupid businessman who decided to resell several penknives. A whole week holiday border.
    2. sa-ag
      sa-ag 6 June 2016 10: 40
      0
      Quote: newbie
      need paid

      money is such an unimportant foundation, very short-lived
  9. atamankko
    atamankko 6 June 2016 09: 39
    +1
    The US does not change politics, it threatens Russia from all sides and does not spare money on it.
  10. BOB044
    BOB044 6 June 2016 09: 45
    +2
    Attacks in Aktobe: the work of local radicals?
    Local they are local. They will not come from the USA, but someone feeds them, gives money. You won’t go for it on an empty stomach.
  11. Arkan
    Arkan 6 June 2016 09: 45
    +4
    In addition, on June 5, 2-3 groups conducted actions, which brought down the coordination of the security forces. And the militants successfully chose the time - "Sunday afternoon, when everyone is relaxed." The political scientist notes “increased tactical skills and experience in planning operations” among extremists. And since some of the attackers managed to retreat, then there are "retreat plans."

    As for any "external hand" in the events of 5 June, the expert doubts this.


    Citizens of Kazakhstan are fighting in Syria on the side of radical groups, where they are taught the skills to organize terrorist attacks and pogroms. It is clear that ethnic Kazakhs are very different from the inhabitants of the Middle East and their presence would immediately become noticeable. Therefore, their own, but directed from the outside.
  12. Holsten
    Holsten 6 June 2016 09: 47
    +5
    The vision of the problem of radicals and oppositionists by unforgettable Ilf and Petrov is still relevant: Foreign countries will help us! Without this help, they would have bled under their breath, shuddering at the sight of a passing guard.
  13. svp67
    svp67 6 June 2016 09: 47
    +2
    Particularly alarming is the proximity of this incident to our borders, very, very ... Orenburg is very close, and the border is "transparent".
  14. Mig-31
    Mig-31 6 June 2016 09: 55
    +3
    Quote: Good_Taxist
    Nazerbaev is a strong "saxaul"


    "Strong saxaul" against the civilian population, and so, against the terrorists of which the SA sponsors, Turetchina and Qatar are nothing more than pshyk, because since the 90s many mosques and madrassas were built with the money of these trinity, and many of our citizens studied on the territories of these most states and Nazarbayev are almost kissing the gums with these troika of terrorist states, and even with the EU and the amerikosy lisp.
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 7 June 2016 18: 52
      0
      Quote: Mig-31
      and Nazarbayev almost kisses the gums with these triples of terrorist states, and he is talking with the EU and the Americans.


      Can I link to a video with a kissing NAS to confirm your words?
  15. 2224460
    2224460 6 June 2016 10: 09
    +2
    A video began to appear on YouTube, mainly from hundreds
  16. blizart
    blizart 6 June 2016 10: 13
    +7
    The processes are gaining momentum in Kazakhstan, have for us - the military, a completely domestic side. Us: rotate, throw, deprive of days off, in short hollow and we grow stronger. So the increase in voltage is unique and for our sweaty asses the causes of what is happening are secondary. It is good that the government (at least the military) is determined. So I don’t have time to look at the site at all, I’m going to be a marshal before in a real army. And of course it’s good that I have personal AKMS at such a time.
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 6 June 2016 16: 08
      +1
      In your conditions, when homebrew gurus begin to fool a good AKMS, a necessary thing. It's bad that it sparks too often, and all around the "dry grass" God forbid it will blaze! Then everyone will need a "personal AKMS". God grant that this does not happen!
  17. 2224460
    2224460 6 June 2016 10: 13
    +1
    Aktobe Bus Capture
  18. Vladimir
    Vladimir 6 June 2016 10: 18
    +2
    Quote: parusnik
    . But somehow behind the backs of these radicals are visible the ears of Fashington ...


    Why immediately after each robbery are one's ears visible? Here the problem is more internal, Nazarbayev is probably tired of the authorities and the territory excuse me not like Batu Lukashenka’s but more so and you see what countries you are bordering on, and I think the buildup from outside will look different.
  19. dchegrinec
    dchegrinec 6 June 2016 10: 19
    +2
    Such cases should be stopped unceremoniously. They should know that they are not captured.
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 6 June 2016 10: 21
    +3
    If not for the timing of the actions, it could be considered a well-planned robbery, but ...! Signs of precisely terrorist attacks, well thought out and orchestrated from a single center, are clearly visible here. It is too early to name the director's name, but the "languages" are taken and untied, they will not go anywhere. And the guys are sorry. Our condolences to family and friends.
    1. Simpsonian
      Simpsonian 6 June 2016 21: 40
      +1
      Quote: avg-mgn
      well thought out and directed from a single center.

      notice of cancellation by decision of the Ministry of Education of the Unified National Test (UNT), scheduled for June 6 in the territory of two large educational institutions of the city

      does Kazakhstan also have a USE? And from what, as in the collapse of the USSR, a single center are similar "education reforms" carried out simultaneously in several countries?
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 7 June 2016 22: 30
        0
        Quote: Simpsonian
        does Kazakhstan also have a USE? And from what, as in the collapse of the USSR, a single center are similar "education reforms" carried out simultaneously in several countries?


        There is no exam, there is a single national test ... the same eggs only on the side of the campaign ...
  21. Sars
    Sars 6 June 2016 10: 54
    +2
    The lighthouse reported half an hour ago that the KNB had identified the "sponsor" of the attack - a local businessman, his name was given.
    And we thought: the State Department, Isil, the AFL.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 6 June 2016 11: 02
      +2
      Quote: SarS
      The lighthouse reported half an hour ago that the KNB had identified the "sponsor" of the attack - a local businessman, his name was given.


      No, this is a mistake. The local businessman is accused of organizing rallies and preparing for the overthrow of power, they got excited about Aktobe.
      1. Sars
        Sars 6 June 2016 11: 37
        0
        Quote: Zymran
        No, this is a mistake.

        Here is the link: https: //regnum.ru/news/polit/2141281.html? Utm_medium = referral & utm_source =
        lentainform & utm_campai
        The Prosecutor General’s Office of Kazakhstan charged with preparing for the violent overthrow of power by Kazakh businessman Tokhtar Tuleshov.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 6 June 2016 11: 41
          +3
          Quote: SarS
          The Prosecutor General’s Office of Kazakhstan charged with preparing for the violent overthrow of power by Kazakh businessman Tokhtar Tuleshov.


          That is yes. But they didn’t show him for the attack in Aktobe.
          1. Sars
            Sars 6 June 2016 12: 10
            0
            Quote: Zymran
            But they didn’t show him for the attack in Aktobe.

            Well then - sorry. The article was about the events in Aktyubinsk, I read it "on the fast track".
            The lighthouse, by the way, quite specifically called the name of the organizer of the riots.
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  22. drunkram
    drunkram 6 June 2016 11: 04
    0
    In my personal IMHO - this is the ISIS cell, it simply cannot be otherwise.
    Although on local forums the Kazakhs insist on the "internecine strife" of these stores, allegedly it was the competitors who staged a raider takeover
    1. Monarchist
      Monarchist 6 June 2016 16: 17
      0
      It may well be that the local godfather wanted to grab someone else's piece of the pie. Wherever there is a “hearty pie” there are those who want to grab an extra piece
    2. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 June 2016 20: 02
      +1
      Quote: drunkram
      ostensibly it is competitors who staged a raider seizure


      and the military unit was attacked - like a raider seizure or something? lol
  23. Mig-31
    Mig-31 6 June 2016 11: 12
    +1
    Quote: drunkram
    In my personal IMHO - this is the ISIS cell, it simply cannot be otherwise.
    Although on local forums the Kazakhs insist on the "internecine strife" of these stores, allegedly it was the competitors who staged a raider takeover

    I don’t think that these are terrorists from ISIS, in one of the videos in YouTube there is a shot where a young man shoots back through the car’s hatch and it doesn’t look like ISIS followers, and real terrorists would hardly have surrendered to the authorities alive.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 6 June 2016 11: 18
      +3
      Quote: Mig-31
      I don’t think that these are terrorists from ISIS, in one of the videos in YouTube there is a shot where a young man shoots back through the car’s hatch and it doesn’t look like ISIS followers, and real terrorists would hardly have surrendered to the authorities alive.


      This video is from the movie.
  24. mayhem
    mayhem 6 June 2016 11: 15
    +2
    Kazakhs brothers hold on, draw conclusions, find the initiator and severely punish publicly, but the president is tough, so I think he will do everything right!
  25. Bramb
    Bramb 6 June 2016 11: 17
    +5
    When they began to build the Vostochny spaceport, it was clear that ours were getting ready for the loss of Baikonur. Together with friendly Kazakhstan.
    I'm afraid it's only flowers so far.
  26. ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 6 June 2016 11: 17
    +2
    "... three bandits were eliminated ..."
    Surnames, first names, first names of relatives (fathers, mothers, sisters, wives, children, brothers, grandmothers, grandfathers, uncles and aunts), places of work, school numbers and names of kindergartens, well, addresses of residence (all!) ... ! No, such information ?! wink So there were no bandits! request "east", in a different way, does not understand ... Shame on the family is the best way to prevent ...
    1. Semurg
      Semurg 6 June 2016 11: 52
      +5
      Quote: ALABAY45
      "... three bandits were eliminated ..."
      Surnames, first names, first names of relatives (fathers, mothers, sisters, wives, children, brothers, grandmothers, grandfathers, uncles and aunts), places of work, school numbers and names of kindergartens, well, addresses of residence (all!) ... ! No, such information ?! wink So there were no bandits! request "east", in a different way, does not understand ... Shame on the family is the best way to prevent ...

      Well, if it's the Islamists, then these measures are wasted. First of all, neophytes are pulled out of the family and friendly environment and drive into them the thought that parents and relatives with friends if they do not share their views are the same infidels as everyone else.
      1. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 6 June 2016 12: 36
        0
        And, if, not "Islamists", then who ....?! So, ISLAM is not working on it ?! In terms of educating .... adepts ....?!
        1. Semurg
          Semurg 6 June 2016 18: 36
          +2
          Quote: ALABAY45
          And, if, not "Islamists", then who ....?! So, ISLAM is not working on it ?! In terms of educating .... adepts ....?!

          Most likely the Islamists, but there is always a chance that someone will commit to them. Islam is different, as is Christianity, and each branch or sect considers itself the most right in its faith. What distinguishes local Islamists from adherents of traditional Islam is the fact that the wealthy Salafis financially help their people. and adherents of traditions. Islam at best do zander and all.
  27. 31rus2
    31rus2 6 June 2016 11: 28
    0
    Dear, there is little information, but it’s difficult to judge by what we have. I drew attention to such a detail from the article "The difference in income is huge" turn into a riot and ordinary robbery. In my opinion, the government reacts for a long time acting in a chain, this gives an advantage. The fact that legs grow from abroad is understandable, this is primarily money and local monitoring of events
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 6 June 2016 11: 30
      +5
      There was no attempt to raise the people there. There was an attack on weapons stores, cops and military units of the BB. Shooting at the cops is a long tradition of Western Kazakhstan.
      1. CORNET
        CORNET 6 June 2016 11: 55
        -1
        Quote: Zymran
        There was no attempt to raise the people there. There was an attack on weapons stores, cops and military units of the BB. Shooting at the cops is a long tradition of Western Kazakhstan.

        Well, well .. they wanted to hunt ..? bully Now your all official sites are squealing ....! And the next one will be (this is a check))) With a serious weapon ... And they will go on "Toyotas" with machine guns all over Kazakhstan collecting baksheesh people, etc. ... They will come to Russia to shoot the Uruses! keep in mind .... (if anything, do not be offended ..))))
        1. Talgat 148
          Talgat 148 6 June 2016 13: 06
          +2
          You do not perceive yourself! And we are like something!
          1. CORNET
            CORNET 6 June 2016 14: 37
            -2
            Quote: Talgat 148
            You do not perceive yourself! And we are like something!

            We have something to soak, if that .... It would not "prochukhat" you, the main thing!
            1. Talgat 148
              Talgat 148 6 June 2016 19: 43
              +1
              We also have a washcloth!
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                  1. marshes
                    marshes 6 June 2016 20: 22
                    +2
                    Quote: Aposlya
                    Generally, initially, the Turkmen themselves called these dogs "Cossack it", i.e. Kazakh dog. In Kazakhstan, their ancestor is called Tobet. Although all this is the Central Asian Shepherd Dog ...

                    Not much wrong, alabai a cross between a Mongolian shepherd and a Tebet mastiff.
                    So our Tobet variety is much larger than the Turkmen Alabai, but our wolves are also larger.
                    In Kyrgyzstan, in their nurseries there are gorgeous tobets. For this reason, the hounds of the Taz are not bad.
                    Tobet is not a khukh of a mukhra, it is expensive to keep it. And still to be engaged, the mass quickly grows fat for over 80 kg.
                    1. Aposlya
                      Aposlya 6 June 2016 20: 32
                      +1
                      Quote: marshes
                      Not much wrong, alabai a cross between a Mongolian shepherd and a Tebet mastiff.
                      So our Tobet variety is much larger than the Turkmen Alabai, but our wolves are also larger.
                      In Kyrgyzstan, in their nurseries there are gorgeous tobets. For this reason, the hounds of the Taz are not bad.
                      Tobet is not a khukh of a mukhra, it is expensive to keep it. And still to be engaged, the mass quickly grows fat for over 80 kg.


                      The old men told me that it was from the Tobets that they went with the Turkmen. Especially many Adays managed to transfer there in the 20-30s, when collectivization was carried out here in Kazakhstan. The dog then protected the herds, and they were killed for this by the surplus-appraisal, or as they were called ...

                      Here is a movie about modern Tobets:

                      1. marshes
                        marshes 6 June 2016 20: 44
                        +1
                        Quote: Aposlya
                        The old men told me that it was from the Tobets that they went with the Turkmen.

                        Yes, only they are small dry lean under the climate and vicious under the region. smile
                        Our more calm but angry, little does not seem. laughing
                        He’s guarding his brother’s house, from Kyrgyzstan. He’s calm, he will crush hugging with a mass of 70 kg. He loves a cat, tears children and mongrel. On the harness, the Kruzak pulls.
                      2. Aposlya
                        Aposlya 6 June 2016 21: 03
                        +1
                        Quote: marshes
                        He’s guarding his brother’s house, from Kyrgyzstan. He’s calm, he will crush hugging with a mass of 70 kg. He loves a cat, tears children and mongrel. On the harness, the Kruzak pulls.


                        A kind of gentle artillery tractor ... laughing
                      3. marshes
                        marshes 6 June 2016 21: 12
                        +2
                        Quote: Aposlya
                        A kind of gentle artillery tractor ...

                        Licks and caresses. They call a panda. And eats once a day. And my German is always hungry, looking for food. Angry and incredulous.
                        I heard about the Rottweilers last year, there were two in the yard hanging fish hooks with meat, they surrounded the house and pulled out a safe.
                      4. Simpsonian
                        Simpsonian 6 June 2016 22: 30
                        +1
                        it means they were not Koreans - they would have scored on the safe ... laughing
              2. Chisayna
                Chisayna 6 June 2016 20: 56
                +2
                I also saw Mongolian shepherds in Tuva. Tuvans call them, a yt-dog. But as such a dog, even if it is 80 kg or more, it can cope with a wolf whose weight is 95-100 kg.
                1. marshes
                  marshes 6 June 2016 21: 01
                  +1
                  Quote: Chisain
                  , will cope with a wolf whose weight is 95-100kg.

                  Where you saw such wolves, in nature such individuals do not survive and do not survive. Maximum 60 kg.
                2. Chisayna
                  Chisayna 6 June 2016 21: 09
                  0
                  In general, I hold it in my hands. In the North, such individuals come across.
                3. Aposlya
                  Aposlya 6 June 2016 21: 39
                  +1
                  Quote: Chisain
                  In general, I hold it in my hands. In the North, such individuals come across.


                  So is it a wolf in your hands or something ?! fellow
            2. ALABAY45
              ALABAY45 6 June 2016 21: 17
              0
              "After all, a completely different person!" Bayonet admired, looking at yesterday's ugliness ... "
              Here, he is right! In Omsukchan and Orotukan ... KULU Safaris - Home Page
              kulu.ru ›web /? lang = ru Photo ...! My, can not cope - it is 74 kg .... wink
  28. Talgat 148
    Talgat 148 6 June 2016 19: 47
    +2
    A sick mind! We always taught you dirty! I don’t have seven, and my friends have it too, I more like to dissect on a Kruzak !!!
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        1. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 6 June 2016 22: 37
          0
          Sabretooths can be safer from a helicopter, and it’s better to go to them in winter.
          1. ALABAY45
            ALABAY45 6 June 2016 23: 17
            0
            Better, with a flamethrower (in the summer), and with a flamethrower - in the winter ... Sleep-infection!
            1. Chisayna
              Chisayna 6 June 2016 23: 47
              +1
              Yeah, the pidel is dead. GRANOMETER, not the granotometr. RPG, you know what it is. And I also fought in DRA from 1979 to 1981. So I fought a pide that there is nothing to hang on oily breasts, a rodent is digestive. Any military knows how the grenade launcher is called right. Well ridiculed.
            2. Simpsonian
              Simpsonian 7 June 2016 03: 26
              0
              Peculiarities of the National Hunt.

              and I thought it was you holding the tarbagan ...
          2. Simpsonian
            Simpsonian 7 June 2016 03: 19
            0
            that's because they sleep - that's why it's better
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  • 31rus2
    31rus2 6 June 2016 18: 31
    0
    Dear, do not overstep, I support Cornet, from the beginning everything is exposed as an infinite or hooliganism of fans, and then the authorities have already missed the situation, and when pumped up with money, it’s all a matter of time and civil war
  • kosta_cs
    kosta_cs 6 June 2016 13: 43
    +9
    Quote: CORNET
    Well, well .. they wanted to hunt ..?

    You could say that.
    IMHO, it looks more like some amateur underground cell of the Salafis smelled the smell of fried from the side of the special services sitting on their tail and decided to leave beautifully, as they understood it. With fireworks and other special effects in the style of "Taraz Rambo". The fact that they are "home-grown" is indicated by poor tactical training and lack of funding (they robbed shops with weapons).
    And many thanks to our law enforcement officers, who managed to restrain them at first with a short barrel against rifles.
    I sympathize with the relatives of the dead at the hands of these idiots and once again thank the guys who fulfilled their duty to the end. Imanda Bolsyn!
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 6 June 2016 16: 48
      0
      "... and decided to leave beautifully ..."
      And, suddenly, this is ISIS "lightning" ?! Easy warm-up ?! Are you calming yourself or all of us ?!
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 6 June 2016 19: 49
        0
        In the Caucasus, the ATO regime is already a familiar phenomenon ..
  • alexej123
    alexej123 6 June 2016 17: 35
    0
    Here I look, for a long time on the site, and communication, excuse me, URKAGAN. COPS. Are you also one of the attackers? Usually only those who are at odds with the law express themselves. By the way, in Russia "Cops" are the first to die - Chechnya, Dagestan. Because of their lives, our news is not particularly full of such attacks.
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  • ALABAY45
    ALABAY45 6 June 2016 18: 50
    0
    "... Shooting at cops is a long-standing tradition of Western Kazakhstan ..."
    And, the Kurgan "cops" in the 90s had a tradition: not to pay attention to the Kazakhs - "paratroopers" crossing the border in the area of ​​Russian gas stations. (For the newly minted Kazakh "bais", I can, designate the crossing points of the state border) Canister on the stomach , canister on the back ...
  • Ros 56
    Ros 56 6 June 2016 11: 59
    +1
    An attempt to raise the people was just there. The situation there is the same as in many of our cities. Difficulties with work, with money, etc. Recently, just a couple of hours ago, we called there to our friends peasants, the situation was described by the media. Of course, both agitators and instigators of ISIS radicals and economic problems worked, everything is like everywhere else. And in banderlogy, and in Syria and in other places.
    1. Bulrumeb
      Bulrumeb 6 June 2016 12: 49
      +1
      The fact that sooner or later shied away long ago was clear, the radicals were allowed to raise their heads. In the south, mosques were opened on every street, and nobody controlled who preaches there. Everyone knew that there was something wrong preaching because these people were not even allowed to go to official mosques, but no measures were taken. And now this one has come to northern Kazakhstan.
  • Zymran
    Zymran 6 June 2016 12: 02
    +4
    Quote: Ros 56
    An attempt to raise the people was just


    Facts in favor of your statement please.
    1. CORNET
      CORNET 6 June 2016 13: 40
      0
      Quote: Zymran
      Quote: Ros 56
      An attempt to raise the people was just


      Facts in favor of your statement please.

      I began to sharpen the pitchfork ...! (Digging trenches is useless .. and hard ..)
      1. Semurg
        Semurg 6 June 2016 18: 44
        +2
        Quote: CORNET
        Quote: Zymran
        Quote: Ros 56
        An attempt to raise the people was just


        Facts in favor of your statement please.

        I began to sharpen the pitchfork ...! (Digging trenches is useless .. and hard ..)

        Not yet another reincarnation of Mikhan on the site?
    2. Ros 56
      Ros 56 6 June 2016 14: 58
      +1
      Quote: Zymran
      you are welcome.


      And the fact that at least three groups worked was not telling you anything, plus an attack on a military unit, they clearly wanted to get a weapon. You not only look at what happened, but also analyze, calculate at least a couple of steps forward. And Aktyubinsk is a small town and there is a lot of private sector.
  • newcomer
    newcomer 6 June 2016 12: 17
    +2
    sa_ag, I wrote tightly, and not for a fee. it turned out like that. You can’t think of it yourself? where does the money in general. I tried to correct the comment, it did not work out.
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 June 2016 20: 14
      0
      Quote: newbie
      I wrote tightly, not paid. it turned out like that. You can’t think of it yourself?


      Well, as they wrote, they understood the comrade! Do not be offended ... hi
  • Yegorchik
    Yegorchik 6 June 2016 12: 29
    +5
    To attack a military unit during the day, having made a noise in the shops and raised the ears of the security forces, the intellect is just rushing out of all the cracks. But you have to put your head to the development of stocks, there are places where you can quietly get rid of trunks with kamazs, cutting out 5-10 people guard, and these trampled on a military unit in the afternoon because of a pair of small arms.
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 6 June 2016 12: 49
      +1
      There, they say (on the radio, and, it does not lie, in any case, our "district") -17 corpses ....?! Strong, "hooligans" in the Kazakh SSR "! recourse
      1. kosta_cs
        kosta_cs 6 June 2016 13: 49
        +1
        What can your district radio know from the year 89 (judging by
        Quote: ALABAY45
        Kazakh SSR "!
        ) about the events in 2016?
        1. ALABAY45
          ALABAY45 6 June 2016 14: 06
          -1
          What ?! Is it really a coup ?! Radio something ... "Russian" !!! winkMaybe come back ?! Well, no, no, no ....!
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    3. fif21
      fif21 6 June 2016 21: 22
      +1
      Quote: Egorchik
      there are places where you can quietly get rid of trunks with kamaz at least, cutting out 5-10 guards, and these flooded the military unit during the day because of a couple of guns.

      1. Crime (organized crime groups) must not be confused with terrorists.
      2. The action was planned by the "godfather" and not by the special.
      3. The goal is to show the authorities their strength and force them to fulfill their conditions. (Conflict in the division of spheres of influence on the economic sector)
      Nursultan Abishevich has been challenged to the authorities. Check for "lice". Alarming.
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  • Tim
    Tim 6 June 2016 13: 32
    +1
    Unfortunately, this infection poses a danger to our border regions; there are so-called adherents who fell under the influence of Islamic sects and left Aktobe region, in particular, from our regions to Kazakhstan.
  • srha
    srha 6 June 2016 14: 06
    +10
    What is going on in Aktobe - I do not know. But here, a little to the south, I can tell a little.

    I immediately warn that this is a randomly formed subjective opinion - most likely you have something else and I will not even argue.

    The people want stability, actively go to the polls, hope and support the elbasy (head of state).
    Elbasy wants stability, but for more than 20 years he has been cut off from the people, communicates only through officials and their dummies - he sees Kazakhstan freshly painted, in flags, balloons, with enthusiastic people and all this through "rose-colored glasses" from officials. How officials prepare an enthusiastic people is another story.
    Local authorities are actively showing support for the elbasy, but they do not want to work, but want to earn money, which is very annoying to the people and, strangely, annoying officials. Strongly, to the denial of power, the situation is often exacerbated by not shown competence, not the desire to raise it and expressed arrogance.
    The siloviki. The KNB is late, the police are solving their personal problems, the army is basically unprofessional. But! Mushtra is strong, there is AKM, and while the security forces, when they are gathered, fight back.
    External forces - of course, are present and trying to conduct, the west in the person of the USA and Turkey are the main players. China is represented in the economy, and I rarely see it. Russia is ambiguous - and attracts and repels.
    National Teasing zhuzov and childbirth. Other nations have long been put in place. The significance of the genus is very great.
    Religious Islam is reviving everything in Kazakhstan, though it’s not as active as it was 15 years ago, but that’s what makes them put pressure on the government and people and attract foreign methods of influence.
    Young people are quite a lot, actively in leisure, for the most part they sympathize with idealistic national and religious propaganda, they can be easily blown up, we have used them and used them several times in large showdowns (New Uzen 1989, 2012).
    And there is something unfamiliar to Russia - the oralmans, could be described as come-and-go migrant workers, but by no means migrant workers, but recipients of allowances, benefits, state. help etc. Sources of many social problems, and since they are highly dependent on officials, this is their disguised squad.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 6 June 2016 15: 04
      0
      Quote: srha
      I will not argue.


      I agree with almost everything, as I wrote a little earlier, almost everything is like ours, work, salary, ram officials, etc.
    2. ABC
      ABC 6 June 2016 19: 07
      +6
      Well then, in addition to srha KZ Today, 14:06 and my opinion
      I think you said it strongly that people go to the polls (the elections have long turned into a theater, in the last elections I asked how many people went to the polls. You won’t believe out of 37 people (these are relatives and friends), there were only three of them, and state employees, they were told not to go, we’ll fire).
      The president. For a long time he doesn't care about the people, everyone conducts some kind of forums, puts forward unrealizable ideas, in short, he wants to donate and will receive the Nobel Peace Prize. Occasionally he wakes up, talks about the "difficult Soviet past", forgetting that during the collapse of the Union, everything was in Kazakhstan, up to the defense industry, which was safely plundered and sold out. Forgetting at the same time that it was during the "difficult past" that he got out of a simple birdie at first to the chairman of the Kazakh SSR Council of Ministers, and then to the presidency. Something I do not remember such a career among the current birdies
      The siloviki. As for the Knights, a year and a half ago, business, companies, builders, guest workers, etc., were roofed. I don’t think that something has changed.
      At the expense of squabbles zhuzov and childbirth. Today, the main one and the zhuz and clan in Kazakhstan alone is money, money, and again money. It doesn’t matter who you are, what nationality - the main thing is that you have money and that you are all god and king, you can buy everything, including security, escort from the police.
      Youth. As a former teacher, I’ll say that young people lack a leader who can lead them, there will be a leader, they will go to everything, including barricades
      And in general, the people are already tired of the authorities, who can’t get drunk in any way, who decide nothing and explain everything with the machinations of the State Department.
      I think that there will be more and more such speeches, because if in the fat fat oil years the common people at least spun around, now that everything is getting more expensive and there is no work and no see, see full and satisfied faces of officials repeating everything is good and everything is fine, already unbearable
    3. Talgat 148
      Talgat 148 6 June 2016 19: 51
      0
      Teasing zhuzov and childbirth ..... hmm! ..
      Bickering ....
      Where are you from???
    4. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 June 2016 20: 17
      0
      Quote: srha
      National Teasing zhuzov and childbirth.


      Please provide an example of this squabble between Zhuzes, i.e. in fact between geographical concepts whose roots are in the 17th century?
    5. fif21
      fif21 6 June 2016 21: 55
      0
      Quote: srha
      National Teasing Zhuz and childbirth

      This is the main thing. Zhuz Nazarbayev is weak, therefore he is the President of Kazakhstan.
      Quote: srha
      Religious Islam in Kazakhstan is reviving, though not so active

      Religion is either loyal to the government and tightly controlled, or a real threat to a secular state.
      Quote: srha
      Young people - quite a lot, actively on vacation, for the most part sympathize with idealistic national and religious propaganda, they can easily be blown up,

      Nazarbayev started in the Komsomol-him and "cards" in hand.
      Salaries in Russia and Kazakhstan are equal. hi
      1. Simpsonian
        Simpsonian 7 June 2016 03: 30
        0
        reasonably, it's easier to manage ...
    6. fif21
      fif21 6 June 2016 21: 55
      0
      Quote: srha
      National Teasing Zhuz and childbirth

      This is the main thing. Zhuz Nazarbayev is weak, therefore he is the President of Kazakhstan.
      Quote: srha
      Religious Islam in Kazakhstan is reviving, though not so active

      Religion is either loyal to the government and tightly controlled, or a real threat to a secular state.
      Quote: srha
      Young people - quite a lot, actively on vacation, for the most part sympathize with idealistic national and religious propaganda, they can easily be blown up,

      Nazarbayev started in the Komsomol-him and "cards" in hand.
      Salaries in Russia and Kazakhstan are equal. hi
  • Zhar2012
    Zhar2012 6 June 2016 14: 08
    +5
    There is a war going on and one of its forms undermining an ally so that forces are dispersed. So I want to cool the Russian cheers of the patriots. Much depends on the situation in Kazakhstan in Russia. For Russia, it is even better if peace and quiet go all the way to Kyrgyzstan. Then the safety belt will be even wider. So it’s better to support the Kazakhs and not let u shake the situation. It will be bad for everyone this is a mess on the threshold of the Ural Federal District.
    1. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 6 June 2016 14: 17
      -4
      "... So it's better to support the Kazakhs"
      Is this a threat, wish or weakness of the local Kazakh authorities ?! For me, the most adequate Kazakh is the Trans-Siberian Express (Asanali Ashimov) ... And, my wife, he also likes it ...
      1. Talgat 148
        Talgat 148 6 June 2016 19: 55
        +2
        They always managed it themselves, in hard times they hoped for themselves, and they climbed out of the mud of the collapse of the USSR! Which ruined Russian, Belarus and Ukrainian !!!
        And in the future we can handle it ourselves !!! There is no hope for you! Always sell at any time !!!
        1. ALABAY45
          ALABAY45 6 June 2016 22: 00
          -1
          Good luck In future... soldierHard times, soon will pass, prosperity will come ...
          1. Chisayna
            Chisayna 6 June 2016 22: 15
            0
            And after these words, poodle, stand on your hind legs, raise your front paws, muzzle too and ask for sugar. Good luck poodle.
            1. ALABAY45
              ALABAY45 6 June 2016 23: 05
              -1
              There, marmots - whistled on the holes ... And, are you still for "Klava" ?! Well, what a fucking hunter you are!
              1. Chisayna
                Chisayna 6 June 2016 23: 17
                0
                You’ll be left without sugar. Don’t envy macho the earless.
                1. ALABAY45
                  ALABAY45 6 June 2016 23: 20
                  -1
                  "... Well, what a fucking hunter you are! ..."
                  Yes, no ...! laughingI went to sleep, though, you are so funny and gullible, like a dolphin ...
                  1. Chisayna
                    Chisayna 6 June 2016 23: 26
                    0
                    What a jealous poodle. Look "macho" earless and put a bunch in the hallway. A muzzle, but what a muzzle the peeler has, wake up the old lady urgently, cling to the leash and go for a walk.
        2. Simpsonian
          Simpsonian 6 June 2016 22: 10
          -2
          Russian Belarusians and Ukrainians slaughtered each other in 1986. in Armagh?

          of those three Russians were not
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya 7 June 2016 18: 59
            0
            Quote: Simpsonian
            Russian Belarusians and Ukrainians slaughtered each other in 1986. in Armagh?

            of those three Russians were not


            I mean the signatories in the Belarusian Forest: Yeltsin, Shushkevich and Kuchma seem ...
  • Polov
    Polov 6 June 2016 14: 27
    0
    Recently I watched the film "Region 13", the locals are shown as capable of resisting external evil. Himself from Chimkent. Relatives still live there.
  • Signaller
    Signaller 6 June 2016 14: 33
    +1
    Such an attack on the city is an unambiguous puncture of the services of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the FSB. (in Kazakhstan it is different) but this does not change the essence. Fired on COL .. The entire top of the force block must be carried with a broom. They do not work - they sit in their chairs and receive a WEEK. Nothing more. Personally, I don’t insist. But if only I was a "director", then all services incurred for such blunders. All one does not work. It’s better for new, young, hungry people to join the state. Let the earth be dug, and not prove their loyalty. Predona must be proved to the people, not to the padinshah.
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 June 2016 20: 20
      0
      Quote: Signaller
      Such an attack on the city is an unambiguous puncture of the services of the Ministry of Internal Affairs or the FSB. (Kazakhstan is different), but this does not change the essence. They worked on the COL .. The whole top of the strong block must be carried with a broom.


      Good point ...
  • Zolotse
    Zolotse 6 June 2016 14: 43
    +1
    Quote: CORNET
    If Kazakhstan also falls into the inferno of civil war (like Ukraine) it will be terrible .... The plan to surround Russia with sanctions and a "ring of fire" begins to work ... What do you think the men will endure ..?

    Do we have a choice? Or vyjuzhim or we will not exist
  • tracer
    tracer 6 June 2016 14: 54
    +2
    This is not an accident. This is an ill-prepared operation of the gangster underground who threw a "trial balloon". Can anyone not understand that the blow to the Central Asian countries is a blow to the "underbelly" of Russia? Partners are trying with all their might to set fire to Central Asia by putting pressure on Russia. Unemployment for the special services of Russia in the near future is definitely not threatened.
  • 1536
    1536 6 June 2016 15: 48
    +2
    Ours will again begin to taldychit that this is an internal affair of Kazakhstan, and so on. Ukraine is already about ... under these conversations. Of course, talking about peregrine Falcons is much nicer.
    Even if it is not the CIA, it is still a very dangerous incident. It is necessary to help the authorities of Kazakhstan with what can only be helped. Despite the fact that the Russians are leaving Kazakhstan, we definitely do not need the missile bases of the Americans near Baikonur!
  • NyeMoNik70
    NyeMoNik70 6 June 2016 15: 49
    -1
    So it started. The calm life of people is over. Russia is another headache.
  • ABC
    ABC 6 June 2016 17: 38
    +2
    Quote: Vasilyev u
    It is much easier to grab the unarmed at spontaneous rallies and hammer in the jail of media correspondents than to combat real crime and the lawlessness of those in power on the ground.

    Do you mean pin ... dosov and Ferguson?

    He means, the events of May 21, when the people who opposed the transfer of land to the Chinese, the police grabbed, planted, in short pressed in full
  • Backfire
    Backfire 6 June 2016 17: 46
    0
    Officially reported that these are Islamic terrorists.
  • AdekvatNICK
    AdekvatNICK 6 June 2016 18: 09
    0
    Now, under Ramadan, wait for more news about the terrorist attacks. I give 500 percent that in Iraq they will definitely bomb.
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 June 2016 20: 22
      0
      Quote: AdekvatNICK
      I give 500 percent that in Iraq it will definitely bomb.


      Spit it out ...
  • timyr
    timyr 6 June 2016 18: 09
    +2
    I called relatives in Aktyubinsk, they say it’s not over yet. Two districts are closed, work has been canceled, exams too. People buy water and stew, salt and matches. The Internet is disconnected, yesterday there was no connection, today it worked.
  • chunga-changa
    chunga-changa 6 June 2016 18: 49
    +1
    "Terrorists" damn it. It seems that all attacks are aimed at obtaining weapons, and any, even if the weapons store is attacked. Has anyone heard of terrorists who first "take" an arms store, and then start terror with sawn-off shotguns? Real terrorists always have automatic weapons, significant money for the preparation of terrorist attacks, cars, explosive devices.
    Then the small gopniks, under the guise of a weapon, decided to get hold of them.
    1. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 June 2016 20: 24
      +1
      Quote: chunga-changa
      "Terrorists" damn it. It seems that all attacks are aimed at obtaining weapons, and any, even if the weapons store is attacked. Has anyone heard of terrorists who first "take" an arms store, and then start terror with sawn-off shotguns? Real terrorists always have automatic weapons, significant money for the preparation of terrorist attacks, cars, explosive devices.
      Then the small gopniks, under the guise of a weapon, decided to get hold of them.


      It just says that all this is local Salafi initiative ... I think, after such a precedent, the hands of the authorities are untied. Now certainly they will not be in ceremony!
  • Des10
    Des10 6 June 2016 18: 52
    0
    These "terrorists" of local bottling evoke only a feeling of pity. Zombie idiots. No sane person would do that. Even radically against ---, but the mind must be!
    Fools.
    Or is power (service) in Kazakhstan so weak?
  • Humpty
    Humpty 6 June 2016 19: 10
    +1
    Quote: chunga-changa
    Has anyone heard of terrorists who first "take" a gun store, and then start terror with sawn-off shotguns? Real terrorists always have automatic weapons, significant money for the preparation of terrorist attacks, cars, explosive devices.

    Of course, they have heard many times. For example, suicide bombers beat the gates not with a truck but with a small agricultural tractor. Or they attacked people with knives, and it’s not just the Palestinians.
    Uyghur terrorists are trying to get at least some kind of firearm in any way. Not everyone knows how to blow fertilizers. The fact that these terrorists have difficulties with weapons is only a positive thing. In our city, when Kazakhstani terrorists were liquidated, they were armed from and to. And hollowed them with grenade launchers. They prepared tracts against ordinary people and Russian military personnel.
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 6 June 2016 19: 54
      0
      Quote: Humpty
      In our city, when Kazakhstani terrorists were eliminated, they were armed from and to. And hollowed them with grenade launchers. They prepared tracts against ordinary people and Russian military personnel.


      And in what city did Kazakhstani terrorists operate in you?
      1. marshes
        marshes 6 June 2016 20: 08
        +2
        Quote: Zymran
        And in what city did Kazakhstani terrorists operate in you?

        There was business in Bishkek, they were seriously frostbitten. One is not clear whether they were going to Syria or whether they came back.
      2. Humpty
        Humpty 6 June 2016 20: 22
        +1
        In Bishkek, in a mansion, the Panfilov / Gorky intersection.
        kloop.kg/blog/.../sejchas-spetsnaz-shturmuet-zdanie-v-yuzhnoj-chasti-bishkeka-vi

        deo /
    2. Aposlya
      Aposlya 6 June 2016 20: 25
      0
      Quote: Humpty
      In our city, when Kazakhstani terrorists were eliminated, they were armed from and to. And hollowed them with grenade launchers. They prepared tracts against ordinary people and Russian military personnel.


      This is when and where was that? request
      1. Humpty
        Humpty 6 June 2016 20: 36
        0
        Quote: Aposlya
        This is when and where was that?

        Copy the link, look, read.
        1. marshes
          marshes 6 June 2016 20: 47
          +1
          Quote: Humpty
          Copy the link, look, read.

          I didn’t open it, I scored Panfilov / Gorky in the search on the site. Opened up.
          http://kloop.kg/blog/2015/07/16/sejchas-spetsnaz-shturmuet-zdanie-v-yuzhnoj-chas
          ti-bishkeka-video /
          1. Humpty
            Humpty 6 June 2016 21: 17
            +2
            Quote: marshes
            I have not opened

            It opens for me. Thanks for the adjustment. There was a larger riffraff when our homegrown bearded were caught. There was a large escape from the pre-trial detention center.
            Then the relatives of some bearded men complained that after the recapture some died very quickly.
  • ABC
    ABC 6 June 2016 19: 54
    +3
    Here is a comment by a non-"pocket" political scientist about the events in Aktobe
    from what Dosim SATPAYEV writes late in the evening on Sunday, June 5, on his Facebook page:

    “Shortly before the events in Aktobe, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan reported that since the beginning of this year, inspections of objects included in the list of potential targets vulnerable to terrorist activity have been carried out in all regional centers.

    I wonder if arms stores were on the list of such objects? Although even if they hit, it is not clear what other anti-terrorist protection can shops or shopping centers have besides video cameras, their own security and vigilance of citizens? And, as practice shows, it is precisely the vigilance of people that remains the most important anti-terrorist element.

    But the whole problem is that the authorities themselves were constantly putting this vigilance to sleep. For a long time, they generally denied the very possibility of terrorist acts in the country, which they promoted to the whole world as an "island of stability."

    Then, after the first terrorist attacks, they convinced everyone that there was more crime than some kind - albeit a depraved but ideology one.

    In parallel with this, there was a weakening of the legal opposition, which made room for radicals. After all, nature abhors a vacuum. That is, the authorities should not have knitted the protesters in the squares and saw Maidans everywhere, but should have caught real extremists who turned out to be the very "fifth column" about which some pro-government media are so fond of talking. They will certainly not take permission to hold any rally.

    Thus, by actively weakening the intra-systemic opposition, which was trying to act in the legal field and could delay a part of the protest moods, the government almost lost sight of the emergence of the anti-systemic opposition from among local radical groups. And they remind of themselves. And increasingly, which is an alarming trend.
    http://ratel.kz/outlook/dosym_satpaev_vlasti_borolis_s_mirnymi_mitingami_i_zabyl
    i_ob_ekstremistah? page = 2
    and in general about the events in Aktobe (and not only) here http://ratel.kz/
    1. marshes
      marshes 6 June 2016 20: 14
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      Quote: Alphabet
      Here is a comment by a non-"pocket" political scientist about the events in Aktobe
      from what Dosim SATPAYEV writes late in the evening on Sunday, June 5, on his Facebook page:

      Sure...
      Quote: Alphabet
      “Shortly before the events in Aktobe, the Ministry of Internal Affairs of the Republic of Kazakhstan reported that since the beginning of this year, inspections of objects included in the list of potential targets vulnerable to terrorist activity have been carried out in all regional centers.

      I wonder if arms stores were on the list of such objects? Although even if they hit, it is not clear what other anti-terrorist protection can shops or shopping centers have besides video cameras, their own security and vigilance of citizens? And, as practice shows, it is precisely the vigilance of people that remains the most important anti-terrorist element.

      It is on the conscience of the Ministry of Internal Affairs.
      In the Ministry of Defense, at the beginning of spring, exercises were held in military units to repel the actions of seizing weapons and blocking units by "demonstrators".
    2. Humpty
      Humpty 6 June 2016 20: 46
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      Quote: Alphabet
      I wonder if arms stores were on the list of such objects?

      In Bishkek, for some time now, arms stores have become more like bunkers.
      1. Aposlya
        Aposlya 6 June 2016 21: 07
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        Quote: Humpty
        In Bishkek, for some time now, arms stores have become more like bunkers.


        Probably they will do the same for us now ...
        1. marshes
          marshes 6 June 2016 21: 16
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          Quote: Aposlya
          Probably they will do the same for us now ...

          For a long time it was necessary after Taraz.
          There was infa that not all weapons that were stolen in stores could be fired, demonstration copies.
          1. Aposlya
            Aposlya 6 June 2016 21: 41
            +1
            Quote: marshes
            There was infa that not all weapons that were stolen in stores could be fired,demo instances.


            There, by the way, on the video there is a moment when one of these basmachi guns throws on the asphalt ... probably this happened! smile
            1. marshes
              marshes 6 June 2016 21: 51
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              Quote: Aposlya
              There, by the way, on the video there is a moment when one of these basmachi guns throws on the asphalt ... probably this happened!

              Yes, it should be done for a long time, in the store, demo in a "storage room" at a military unit or police or something like that, private under serious protection.
              After all, I myself acquired a carbine, on order, and not on the first day.
              1. Simpsonian
                Simpsonian 6 June 2016 22: 17
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                a, and gas cans. and in general, let it lie on the clock, but they will be yours lol
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  • Zlyden.Zlo
    Zlyden.Zlo 6 June 2016 20: 21
    +1
    It’s a very muddy story. Judging by the news, not a single Terrorist organization took it upon itself. Initially, it had few weapons (grabbing it in a store. Attempting to storm a military unit is generally stupid ... it’s rather a spontaneous action by local people)