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"Uralvagonzavod" presented a version of the T-72 tank for street fighting abroad

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Modification of the main combat tank The T-72 for street fighting was first introduced by Uralvagonzavod Corporation abroad. The debut of a combat vehicle designed for fighting in urban areas took place at the KADEX-2016 exhibition in Astana. As noted, interest in the new version of the T-72 tank, which was first demonstrated back in 2013 during the RAE-2013 exhibition in Nizhny Tagil, significantly increased after studying the experience of military operations in Syria. The source of the “Lenta.ru” publication noted that the T-72 tank in Syria showed outstanding mechanical reliability and survivability even in its original form, and with the installation of new equipment on a combat vehicle, the tank’s capabilities will increase significantly.


At the same time, the source said that there were no orders for a new tank yet, but there was great interest in it, and negotiations are currently underway to purchase it. The T-72 version for urban combat differs from conventional T-72B3 tanks with a heightened level of protection, it includes on-board screens with dynamic protection, additional booking, and anti-cumulative grids. In addition, additional protective screens appeared on the turret of an anti-aircraft machine gun. Also, the combat vehicle acquired a bulldozer blade, which makes it easier for the tank to overcome the debris and barricades on the streets, also providing an additional level of protection in the frontal projection.

Tank T-72 is a business card of the Uralvagonzavod (UVZ). The development of this tank began in 1967 year. The Soviet Army T-72 "Ural" was adopted 7 August 1973. The tank was manufactured from 1974 to 1992 years at Uralvagonzavod and the Chelyabinsk Tractor Plant. In the period from 1974 to 1990, only in Nizhny Tagil, the 20 544 of the T-72 tank of various modifications was released. In total, about 30 thousands of such combat vehicles were produced. This tank is still in service with the Russian army and the armies of many countries of the world. The existing reserve for the modernization of the MBT makes it possible to increase its combat capabilities so that it meets modern challenges.

Photo: uvz.ru


It is worth noting that at the KADEX-2016 exhibition, two main “nails” of the program were presented - the Kazakhstani Barys armored personnel carrier with the 8х8 wheel formula, equipped with the AU-220М combat module with the 57-mm automatic gun manufactured by Uralvagonzavod and the main battle tank T -72 with upgrading kit for urban combat. The combat module with the 57-mm automatic cannon is remotely controlled. The shot of such a weapon currently cannot withstand any of the existing infantry fighting vehicles in the world.

According to Oleg Viktorovich Sienko, General Director of the UVZ, the T-72 tank modernization project seems to be of higher priority, which is dictated by world events of recent years. The conflict zone, unfortunately, is expanding, and domestic technology is actively involved in them. The events that are taking place today in Syria clearly confirm the relevance of tanks in urban fighting, and the modernization kit from UVZ is designed to increase their reliability, as well as increase the combat capabilities of the T-72. A variant of the modernization of the T-72 tank for street fighting is the initiative development of the UVZ. Work on this project is carried out outside the framework of the official OCD. Currently, the tank is being tested. The Russian military, of course, is aware of all the work on this project.

Due to the availability of a modernization kit for urban combat from the Russian corporation Uralvagonzavod, the states that have the main battle tank T-72 in service can not worry about what they need to do with outdated equipment and the transition of main combat operations from the expanses of fields to urban conditions modern cities and urban agglomerations. According to Vyacheslav Khalitov, deputy director of special machinery for UVZ, this project was developed based on the experience of urban battles in Syria. He spoke about this in an interview with the Gazeta.Ru journalists before the KADEX-2016 exhibition, which was held in Astana from 2 to 5 in June of 2016.



“If we carefully analyze the latest armed conflicts in the world, it turns out that fighting is conducted mainly in cities, no one today is fighting in open areas, because it is, in fact, instant destruction,” said Vyacheslav Khalitov. At the same time, fighting in the city and urban areas can be quite successful. Therefore, the UVZ, taking into account the experience of fighting in Syria, the war in Iraq and conflicts in the Middle East in general, came to the conclusion that it was necessary to develop a special set of additional protective equipment that could be installed on a tank if necessary in order to more effectively to fight in the conditions of the city.

This modernization option is also needed to give the T-72 tanks a new life. First of all, it is proposed to increase their firepower: install an upgraded 125-mm cannon 2А46М, an automatic loader modified for firing missiles, a more effective fire control system (FCS) with a multi-channel gunner Sosna, as well as a new stabilizer with an electromechanical drive. As a result of the installation on the tank of the new MSA, the commander of the combat vehicle and the gunner-operator will be able to confidently hit all sorts of targets with fire from a cannon and a machine gun, as well as launch guided missiles at any time of day and in all weather conditions.

Separately, you can highlight the dynamic characteristics of the tank. It has a new engine, which develops the power of the 1000 HP. and the automatic gear shift, exactly the same, which stands on modern tanks T-90C. Also, the new "urban" tank received tracks that are adapted for the installation of "asphalt shoes". Modernization of the T-72 tank for urban battles also implies the installation of a powerful TBS-86 bulldozer blade on it, which is intended for parsing barricades, debris resulting from the destruction of buildings and structures, pushing damaged equipment off the road. Among other things, it also creates additional protection in the frontal projection of the tank hull.



But the greatest attention was paid to the protection of the tank and its crew. In terms of protection, UVZ specialists propose an integrated approach. So to protect the commander of the combat vehicle, who had to look out of the hatch during the battle, in order to fire from an anti-aircraft machine-gun installation, something like a cockpit appeared on the upgraded version of the T-72 tank. Before that, looking out of the tank, the commander was open on all sides, getting hit. The deputy chief director of the UVZ noted that the enterprises had made this cabin with windows in order for the commander to have a circular view, but he himself was covered from all sides, booking there was mostly bulletproof. Viktor Murakhovsky, an expert in the field of armaments and military equipment, explained in an interview with Gazeta.Ru that, in fact, this means that something similar to a birdhouse is being built on military equipment - from above they install armored protection with observation windows, loopholes around a tanker or an infantryman. Such protection put all the armies that take part in urban battles.

According to experts, the tank itself from all sides will be equipped with dynamic protection modules (DZ), which will close the tank body in front, behind, from the sides, above the track shelves, and also cover its tower. In addition, special lattice screens will be installed on the tank, which will be placed above the track shelves in the area of ​​the engine compartment and will cover them with aft, providing additional protection against cumulative ammunition, said Vyacheslav Khalitov. Also on the tank will be installed special equipment designed to suppress the channels of various radio-controlled explosive devices. This will be a kind of element of electronic warfare, which will protect the tank in a modern "high-explosive war." According to Khalitov, these EW funds will also prevent the ammunition flying towards the tank to hit it. “At present, militants are increasingly using radio-controlled projectiles, it is necessary to extinguish their signals in a very wide range, which is especially important in the conditions of urban development,” the specialist emphasized. The system for suppressing radio-controlled explosive devices is two inconspicuous, antenna-like devices located behind the tower.

"Uralvagonzavod" presented a version of the T-72 tank for street fighting abroad


Murakhovsky notes that the special conditions of the fighting in the city force the designers to make various improvements to the existing and created armored vehicles, primarily from a technical point of view. “Firstly, shelling is possible in the city from virtually any direction, not just from the frontal projection, as it could have been in a battle in the field. Secondly, the city requires large elevation angles. weaponsin order to confidently fire on the upper floors of buildings and structures, suppressing the enemy firing points. Thirdly, the best review conditions are necessary for those who work with weapons systems - a round review should be better. In Israel, for example, on the roof of the tank are on 2-3 additional machine guns that are designed to defeat the enemy, which is located on the upper floors of buildings, "- said Victor Murakhovsky. He also underlined the fact that armored vehicles protection sets in the context of urban battles are also being made in the USA and Germany for their main battle tanks Leopard 2 and M1 Abrams.

It is no coincidence that the upgraded version of the T-72 tank was presented for the first time abroad in Kazakhstan. Apparently, the fact that at one time the Kazakh army was the only one that acquired and armed with the Terminator tank support vehicle, created on the basis of the T-72 tank, is having an effect. This Russian-made BMPT is armed with a pair of 30-mm automatic guns 2А42, two launchers with supersonic Ataka-T anti-tank missiles, and also two 30-mm automatic grenade launchers AG-17D and a PKTM machine gun with a 7,62-mm caliber. The combat vehicle is able to recognize small targets even at large distances, while the MSA installed on it allows it to be done in any weather and at any time of the day.

Information sources:
http://www.gazeta.ru/army/2016/05/30/8271797.shtml
https://lenta.ru/articles/2016/06/04/uralvagonzavod
http://www.sdelanounas.ru/blogs/67815
http://tvzvezda.ru/news/opk/content/201605241135-s3pr.htm
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  1. dFG
    dFG 6 June 2016 06: 28
    +10
    This year, the car will be three years old, and everyone at the exhibition is laden with it. How many have already written that 5-10 of these machines in Syria are much more efficient than a hundred exhibitions, and things are still there.
  2. Nix1986
    Nix1986 6 June 2016 07: 01
    +24
    Again this birdhouse on the tower. Why do designers with manic persistence ignore the distance turret ?! In urban conditions, the concentration of small arms at close range will be the highest, but here you have a TV box. In general, you will not envy the machine gun shooter. And to upgrade the barrel, i.e. they saved money on the turrets and spent it on the possibility of firing rockets up to 5km, and this is for modernization for urban combat, there are many places in the city where the distance of a gunshot of 2-3 km will not be enough and a nose rocket needs 5 km !? In general, if there are no questions on the bars, dz, dump, then on the gun and turret they are.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 6 June 2016 07: 24
      +8
      Quote: Nix1986
      In general, if there are no questions on the bars, dz, dump, then on the gun and turret they are.


      As well as the equipment of the commander’s workstation on this modification of the 72. It remained at the old level. And in conditions of urban battle, the tank commander must see - everything is possible. With the old equipment of its workplace, in conditions of modern combat (especially in a settlement), this makes the fulfillment of the assigned combat mission for the crew of this vehicle (first of all, the tank commander) difficult.
      In this modification, the car for conducting an effective, modern battle, in the conditions of the nas.point - practically not suitable.

      By the way, we have already discussed this several times - here at VO.

      http://topwar.ru/96045-tankovyy-boy-v-gorode-na-chto-sposoben-modernizirovannyy-
      t-72.html # comment-id-5937792

      http://topwar.ru/82593-gorodskoy-t-72-vpechatlil-inostrannyh-gostey-na-rae-2015.
      html

      http://topwar.ru/77843-poslednyaya-versiya-t-72-na-forume-armiya-2015.html

      http://topwar.ru/96075-rossiyskiy-tank-dlya-gorodskogo-boya-foto.html

      This is so offhand.
    2. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 6 June 2016 07: 52
      +5
      Quote: Nix1986
      Again this birdhouse on the tower.


      By the way, the question arises why an armored shield was not installed in front of the machine gun? By the type of this:

    3. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 June 2016 07: 59
      +6
      Quote: Nix1986
      Again this birdhouse on the tower. Why do designers with manic persistence ignore the distance turret ?!

      Situational awareness.

      That is why the "alphas" preferred the "Tiger" on their cut in the assault city, too, preferred the "birdhouse" to the remote turret?
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 6 June 2016 08: 12
        -4
        Quote: Spade
        That is why the "alphas" preferred the "Tiger" on their cut in the assault city, too, preferred the "birdhouse" to the remote turret?


        Most likely, they did not give more money.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 6 June 2016 08: 25
          +4
          Quote: wanderer_032
          Most likely, they did not give more money.

          Alpha? laughing
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 6 June 2016 08: 43
            +1
            Quote: Spade
            Alpha?


            And there is nothing surprising in this. It’s just on TV some much tongue scratching about how - "truncated in order boss!".
            But in fact, everything is far from being told on TV.

            And besides, it should be understood that "Alpha" exists not only in Moscow. Their namesakes also exist in the regional departments of the FSB. And if everything falls out of the sky for Muscovites, it is unlikely for the rest.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 6 June 2016 08: 57
              +7
              Quote: wanderer_032
              And there is nothing surprising in this. It’s just on TV some much tongue scratching about how - "truncated in order boss!".

              In 2000 I looked at sniper pairs of "Alpha" and quietly fucked up ... "Guests from the future" ... From a Swiss rangefinder to custom-made equipment ... I won't even talk about the fact that they had only Soviet machines ...

              And this is in 2000 ...
              1. wanderer_032
                wanderer_032 6 June 2016 09: 26
                +5
                Quote: Spade
                In 2000 I looked at sniper pairs "Alpha" and quietly fucked up ... "Guests from the future" ... From a Swiss rangefinder to custom-made equipment ...


                Which regional office is this from? If from Nerezinovsky, then of course. The rest at that time had equipment No. 8, i.e. whoever got what he wears.

                And today in regional offices - the same picture. And this is not only "Alpha" concerns. This applies to all power and emergency services of regional subordination. And this also applies to the military, the further from Nerezinovsk to the east, the older the equipment and everything else.
              2. avt
                avt 6 June 2016 09: 27
                -2
                Quote: Spade
                .. From the Swiss rangefinder to custom-made shells ...

                Finnish ammo.
                Quote: Spade
                About the fact that they only had Soviet machine guns, I won’t even speak.

                Which, starting from "Ksenia" were made under their order and only then moved on to the Ministry of Internal Affairs and the Army.
                Quote: wanderer_032
                And besides, it should be understood that "Alpha" exists not only in Moscow. Their namesakes also exist in the regional departments of the FSB. And if everything falls out of the sky for Muscovites, it is unlikely for the rest.

                laughing Another flawed - "Moscow takes everything?" Regional employees of group A "and" Alfa "they began to call them in the open press, well, this is so - for your Svidomo, even wearing clothes for Moscow people ??? fool
                1. wanderer_032
                  wanderer_032 6 June 2016 10: 43
                  +1
                  Quote: avt
                  Another flawed

                  Another enthusiastic fellow - wassat - "Usyo nishtyak" and uuurryaya! So what is next?
                  1. avt
                    avt 6 June 2016 10: 49
                    0
                    Quote: wanderer_032
                    And then?

                    Studying, studying and once again studying military affairs properly, then fortunetelling
                    Quote: wanderer_032
                    if Muscovites pour everything from the sky, then the rest is unlikely.

                    not have to.
                  2. Yars
                    Yars 6 June 2016 15: 05
                    -2
                    Quote: wanderer_032
                    Quote: avt
                    Another flawed

                    Another enthusiastic fellow - wassat - "Usyo nishtyak" and uuurryaya! So what is next?

                    and you are one of those who tear the larynx with slogans "everything is gone" "putinvsёslil" "putinotdalsibir" !!! Dear, do not "push", you will not succeed in nifiga, anyone already knows for what and for whom you are trolling !!! Go to work better, get busy !!!!!
                2. wanderer_032
                  wanderer_032 6 June 2016 10: 46
                  +5
                  Quote: avt
                  Well, this is so-for your Svidomo, even clothes for Moscow carry ??


                  For your invisibility - Moscow always gets more funding. And received earlier. And they ask the same for work - everywhere.

                  Here, take at least the position of an ambulance driver, in Moscow he gets a fifty dollars in our region - sixteen / eighteen in the city and twelve / thirteen in the region.
                  The schedule is the same, the work is the same. And the equipment and supply of spare parts and other working conditions are not an example better.
                3. yehat
                  yehat 6 June 2016 15: 40
                  0
                  I don’t know what about clothes, but I saw with what weapons the St. Petersburg riot police train.
                  nothing but the word "disgrace" does not come to mind
                  all the trunks are broken into pieces. How to get from such even from 50 meters is not very clear.
    4. Aleksandr72
      Aleksandr72 6 June 2016 08: 48
      +8
      Yeah, especially since there is nothing new in a remotely controlled turret of a heavy machine gun on a tank. Such a system was used, in particular, on T-80 tanks of various modifications (which, according to many tankers, was the best Soviet tanks and in the T-80U version certainly surpassed the T-72 in all its versions, including the T-90).
      Here on this:
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 6 June 2016 09: 20
        +3
        Quote: Aleksandr72
        Yeah, especially since there is nothing new in a remotely controlled turret of a heavy machine gun on a tank.


        And no, not yet with the T-64. Of all the Soviet / Russian MBTs, only 72s do not have a remotely controlled ZPU.
        1. Per se.
          Per se. 6 June 2016 09: 31
          +4
          The T-80 was a big hindrance to someone, it is unlikely that after all the sad metamorphoses with the Omsk Tank Plant, there will be a competitor for UVZ in the form of later modifications of the T-80 and "Black Eagle". The lobby and someone's selfish interests have won, for which one should stand up against the wall, but not the interests of the Russian army and Russia's security. As a "city tank", it would be better if the same "Terminator" was offered to shoot with a bulldozer and modified weapons on the upper floors.
    5. Alexey RA
      Alexey RA 6 June 2016 10: 30
      +1
      Quote: Nix1986
      Again this birdhouse on the tower. Why do designers with manic persistence ignore the distance turret ?!

      Because this birdhouse serves not only to control the ZPU, but also to review.
      In urban combat, the most effective visibility in a city is the commander in the hatch. The same Yankees, according to the experience of Iraq, came true for the "Abram" TUSK with the same birdhouse (and over the second hatch of the tower, they propose to put a shield with glass blocks).
      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 6 June 2016 11: 31
        +5
        I think you will set the task to participate in urban battles in the conditions of dense urban development and give you a choice - you would definitely not choose a jabber on the tower. wink And besides, now it’s as if it’s not the 40s and you need a good night vision channel and a heat channel. And do not forget the tank on the battlefield - the number one target and the tank commander leaning to the waist is a gift of fate for any hostile shooter.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 6 June 2016 11: 54
          +1
          Quote: Nix1986
          I think you will set the task to participate in urban battles in the conditions of dense urban development and give you a choice - you would definitely not choose a jabber on the tower.


          And no one would choose. For a long time there are panoramic commanding devices, all-round visibility. How to put on a tank biathlon - so they are. Like a combat vehicle - no. What the hell?
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 6 June 2016 11: 55
            +2
            Here is another picture:
          2. Nehist
            Nehist 6 June 2016 14: 41
            +2
            So a tank biathlon is such a splurge, the entire okrug is plowing on this crew, and they don’t know what the exercises are, but only an individual program for preparing for a tank biathlon
        2. yehat
          yehat 6 June 2016 15: 44
          +3
          why stick out waist-high?
          make a convenient turret with a normal shape and protection, electric drives and everything will be ok
          just a horseshoe-shaped birdhouse that doesn’t protect against all 5.45 bullets, this is clearly a bad decision
          if there’s absolutely nothing in your head, you can take a finished turret with a B-17
        3. Alexey RA
          Alexey RA 6 June 2016 16: 15
          +1
          Quote: Nix1986
          I think you will set the task to participate in urban battles in the conditions of dense urban development and give you a choice - you would definitely not choose a jabber on the tower. wink And besides, now it’s as if it’s not the 40s and you need a good night vision channel and a heat channel. And do not forget the tank on the battlefield - the number one target and the tank commander leaning to the waist is a gift of fate for any hostile shooter.

          Nevertheless, the Yankees in their TUSK did not limit themselves to observing and working them under armor, but chose both this and that:
          So, for example, the 7,62-mm machine gun M240, located in front of the loader’s hatch, received several useful “additions”. Now loading when firing machine guns protects a new metal shield with a bullet-glass viewing device. As a result, the tanker is less likely to get injured. If necessary, the loader does not even need to protrude from his hatch. The TUSK kit includes equipment that allows you to control the M240 machine gun directly from the reserved space. It is noteworthy that the new machine gun turret has a two-channel sight with a thermal imaging channel.

          The tank commander has 2 options to choose from: either a Kongsberg / Thales M151 Protector remote-controlled weapon station, or (in the NPP version) - a birdhouse high up to the top of the commander's helmet with the same "Ma Deuce".
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      1. Nix1986
        Nix1986 6 June 2016 13: 03
        +1
        It's good to sit here in the internet, played WoT, go do homework, otherwise Ata’s dad will do it in the ass.
    7. yehat
      yehat 6 June 2016 15: 32
      0
      pointing the machine gun at the cameras is not very effective. A live shooter looks better.
      the problem is different - a birdhouse of a completely inadequate design. It does not protect well from frontal fire, landmine explosions and non-pistol calibers.
      There is no sense from the shooter if they shoot him.
      gun armament for the city is also controversial.
      in my opinion, we need a tank with mortar / cannon / machine gun weapons, which can detect foci of fire / movement / infrared radiation and quickly cover them with fire. Ballistic resistance against frontal impact is less important, protection of a roof and a bottom is more important.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 June 2016 22: 48
        +5
        "aiming a machine gun at cameras is not very effective." ////

        Why? The cameras give great zoom and high quality. Wide-angle optical sight, as it were.
        And the shooter is alive ...
  3. DM51
    DM51 6 June 2016 07: 21
    +9
    I watched a video where a Syrian tanker who had just returned from battle talked about the pros and cons of the T-72. In general, he praised the car and was very pleased with it, but noted two significant drawbacks: the first is the side armored screens that protect the rinks, they are very weak fasteners and as a result all tanks after several battles are left without screens, secondly, he very much requested that the machine gun on the turret be remotely controlled from the inside, the tank crews take them off, because there’s no sense in them - you can’t shoot under the fire, leaning to the waist, and here I look again limited to half measures - the turret is open from the top and the front - an excellent target from the roof, and booking the turret is only bulletproof. It is much safer to fire from a machine gun from the inside of the tank with its powerful armor than from the turret. He also complained about the secondary wiring laid outside tank in metal tubes - it is often interrupted, I hope that this defect was also fixed
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 6 June 2016 07: 38
      0
      Quote: DM51
      T-72. In general, he praised the car and was very pleased with it

      The car is good in general. For protection, there are no questions about this modification of 72.
      1. avt
        avt 6 June 2016 09: 38
        +4
        Quote: wanderer_032
        The car is good in general.

        Well, in general, this is quite a T-72. no, no, city tank. "How will he work with the city at least with the existing standard elevation angle of the gun? Will you fill up hills, like from Syria? Normal study of an assault tank, or rather a self-propelled gun, I suppose should be considered the Chelyabinsk object 782. at least they would at least finalize it! But so there you need to invest, and then there is a birdhouse and a bulldozer blade and ride around exhibitions in search of suckers like the same Terminator, just have time to hang a new number on it for the new exhibition -1,2,3 ... I would rather agree with Lopatov, we had a discussion about how to create a module of the Troichet type on the basis of Vienna and with an ATGM flying out of the barrel, put it on a tank chassis with tank protection. This will be a real combat unit, which can be called an assault vehicle, or an urban tank, or even a self-propelled armored vehicle.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 6 June 2016 17: 23
          0
          Quote: avt
          Well, in general, this is quite a T-72. no "city tank".


          This is the main battle tank. According to international classification. So it can be used in any land combat operations.

          All question in competent application. Both by the crew directly and by the higher command.
    2. qwert
      qwert 6 June 2016 08: 22
      +3
      Quote: DM51
      and here I look again limited to half measures - the turret is open from above and from the front - an excellent target from the roof, and booking the turret is only bulletproof. It is much safer to fire from a machine gun from the inside of the tank behind its powerful armor than from the turret.

      Maybe the technology is lost?) On the T-64 could be remotely controlled, and now "forward into the past." Have seen enough Americans with their Hummers ...
      1. yehat
        yehat 6 June 2016 15: 51
        0
        the problem is not to deliver, but to adequately quickly find, aim and shoot. The remote machine gun does not solve this problem very well (but such an alternative should be !!! like a duplicated birdhouse management)

        ps what difference do you kill a man behind a machine gun or burn the entire tank?
      2. Alexey RA
        Alexey RA 6 June 2016 16: 18
        0
        Quote: qwert
        Maybe the technology is lost?) On the T-64 could be remotely controlled, and now "forward into the past." Have seen enough Americans with their Hummers ...

        There are a lot of remotely controlled modules with various weapon options. Their MGH are such that they are even put on "Tigers".
        Most likely, ours worked out a kit with an eye on TUSK, which has the same turret for the commander.
  4. qwert
    qwert 6 June 2016 08: 19
    0
    It would seem that everyone has long known that tanks in the city have nothing to do. However, they continue .... And that the roof of the tower or the engine compartment on top of the RPG cannot be pierced? Or now the soldiers from the upper floors will not smack on armored vehicles? And even a three-liter bottle with "Molotov cocktail" will not be thrown on the blinds?
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 6 June 2016 08: 21
      +4
      Quote: qwert
      It would seem that everyone has long known that tanks in the city have nothing to do.


      They have something to do there. Namely, to provide fire support to infantry assault groups.
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 6 June 2016 08: 27
      +10
      Quote: qwert
      It would seem that everyone has long known that tanks in the city have nothing to do.

      Uh ... Actually the opposite, everyone knows that without tanks in the city have nothing to do.
    3. Dimka off
      Dimka off 7 June 2016 10: 19
      0
      Quote: qwert
      It would seem that everyone has long known that tanks in the city have nothing to do.

      With the right use of tanks in the city, this is a very compelling argument.
  5. Professor
    Professor 6 June 2016 08: 35
    +3
    A new engine is installed on it, developing a power of 1000 hp. and an automatic gear shift, exactly the same as on modern T-90S tanks.

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    "City Tank" sounds intriguing, but where is the terminator that has no analogues in the world? wassat
    1. Mordvin 3
      Mordvin 3 6 June 2016 08: 52
      +7
      Quote: Professor
      RS,Rѕ RєRѕRЅRμS RЅRѕ ‡ P · R ‡ RјRμS ° F ° S,RμR "SЊRЅRѕ RЅRѕ RєRѕRіRґR RЅR ° ° ° RїRѕSЃS,R RІSЏS, RѕR ± SЉRμRґRoRЅS'RЅRЅS <R№ SЃRoR" RѕRІRѕR№ F ± F "RѕRє RєR ° Rє Сѓ Р ± уржуинов РѕР ± Р »РµРіС ‡ Р ° СЋС ‰ РёР№ РѕР ± СЃР» ужвР° РЅРёРµ Рё СѓСЃРєРѕСЂСЏСЋС ‰ РёР№ Р · Р ° РѓРµ

      P'C ‹СЌС‚Рѕ, СЃР ° РјРѕРµ, негрР° Р · Р ° Р ± С‹ Р »Рё.
      1. Professor
        Professor 6 June 2016 09: 04
        +2
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        P'C ‹СЌС‚Рѕ, СЃР ° РјРѕРµ, негрР° Р · Р ° Р ± С‹ Р »Рё.

        Р'СЃРµ РІР »Р ° Р · Р ° РІС‹ смотреР», РЅРѕ негров среди РЅРµРјС † ев РЅРµ Р · Р ° метил. КстР° ти среди С З РµС ... РѕРІ тоже.
        1. Mordvin 3
          Mordvin 3 6 June 2016 09: 15
          +9
          Quote: Professor
          Р'СЃРµ РІР »Р ° Р · Р ° РІС‹ смотреР», РЅРѕ негров среди РЅРµРјС † ев РЅРµ Р · Р ° метил. КстР° ти среди С З РµС ... РѕРІ тоже.

          РўР ° Рє негр - это РЅРµ РЅР ° С † РёСЏ. RS‚Рѕ, Р ± Р »РёРЅ, РїСЂРѕС„ ессия.
          1. Professor
            Professor 6 June 2016 09: 34
            +3
            Quote: Mordvin 3
            РўР ° Рє негр - это РЅРµ РЅР ° С † РёСЏ. RS‚Рѕ, Р ± Р »РёРЅ, РїСЂРѕС„ ессия.

            Here I am about that. Tell me, who is the Negro, the one who changes the engine of the tank in 15 minutes, or the one who writhes about it for 70 hours?
            1. Mordvin 3
              Mordvin 3 6 June 2016 09: 41
              +6
              Р — Р ° 15-ть РјРёРЅСѓС ‚РґРІРёРіСѓРЅ поменять невоР· можно. РЇ РІС З РµСЂР ° РєРѕСЂРѕР ± РєСѓ РІС‚С ‹РєР ° Р» РЅР ° С € естерку, Рё то, СЖ РµР »С‹ Р№ С З Р ° СЃ СѓРіСЂРѕР ± РёР.
              1. Professor
                Professor 6 June 2016 09: 47
                +2
                Quote: mordvin xnumx
                Р — Р ° 15-ть РјРёРЅСѓС ‚РґРІРёРіСѓРЅ поменять невоР· можно. РЇ РІС З РµСЂР ° РєРѕСЂРѕР ± РєСѓ РІС‚С ‹РєР ° Р» РЅР ° С € естерку, Рё то, СЖ РµР »С‹ Р№ С З Р ° СЃ СѓРіСЂРѕР ± РёР.

                What? Truth? wassat Some change all four wheels in seconds.

                And some in 15 minutes leisurely power unit of the tank. With a box. wink

                Ркто негр?
                1. Mordvin 3
                  Mordvin 3 6 June 2016 10: 06
                  +2
                  Quote: Professor
                  Ркто негр?

                  RS‚Рѕ РІСЃС 'РІСЂР ° РЅСЊС' Рё РіРѕРєР ° Р · СѓС ... Р °.
                2. Buran
                  Buran 7 June 2016 01: 05
                  +2
                  Exactly in 15 minutes?
                  Tady Japanese you teeth wink
              2. Lens
                Lens 6 June 2016 19: 54
                +2
                On the Leopard 2, the engine changes in 45 minutes. Norm. On "72" with only one centering you will be tortured ...
                1. svp67
                  svp67 6 June 2016 20: 13
                  0
                  Quote: Lens
                  On the Leopard 2, the engine changes in 45 minutes. Norm. On "72" with only one centering you will be tortured ...

                  Apparently also because on the T-72 this has to be done not so often ...
    2. otto meer
      otto meer 6 June 2016 12: 32
      +4
      Quote: Professor
      a bourgeois-like integrated power unit facilitates maintenance and speeds up replacement
      Here explain to me, as a specialist, how does the MT monoblock facilitate maintenance? It has the same number of service points as the diversity scheme, and the MT-monoblock loses in terms of the availability of service points. But this is not the most important thing.
      Once again you amaze me with your ability to manipulate facts "a little". Why do you cite Leopard-2 as an example? Don't you know what type of engine is installed on it? And what is such "quick changeability" for? I doubt you don't know.
      1. Professor
        Professor 6 June 2016 12: 45
        +1
        Quote: otto meer
        Here explain to me, as a specialist, how does the MT monoblock facilitate maintenance? It has the same number of service points as the diversity scheme, and the MT-monoblock loses in terms of the availability of service points. But this is not the most important thing.

        I saw how in the field pulled out the power unit in minutes and put a new one. The extracted can now be serviced until the bluish- technician on the go.

        Quote: otto meer
        Once again you amaze me with your ability to manipulate facts "a little". Why do you cite Leopard-2 as an example? Don't you know what type of engine is installed on it? And what is such "quick changeability" for? I doubt you don't know.

        In my first photo, the power unit is from the T-72. Forgive me that the video of his replacement is not at hand (there is a Leopard), and I do not want to show the video of the Merkava power unit replacement so that you do not have a heart attack for how long it takes. wassat

        PS
        Yes indeed. Why do you need "quick change" if you can do it for days? Fortunately, there are a lot of tanks, and the soldiers are busy. lol
        1. otto meer
          otto meer 6 June 2016 14: 37
          +3
          Quote: Professor
          Yes indeed. Why do you need "quick change" if you can do it for days? Fortunately, there are a lot of tanks, and the soldiers are busy.
          Well, okay, they laughed and will. "Quick change" is needed for this reason, all modern engines, of all types (GTE, TD - it doesn't matter), on all Western tanks are very complex and repairable only in specialized enterprises. It's just so specific. By the way, on cars the same way - only a nodal replacement. Therefore, the task of repairmen, even divisional level, is only to replace the unit.
          Our specificity is different. Maximum repair on site, in the conditions of regimental (divisional) workshops. Under this all and "sharpened". As a rule, current, medium repairs can be performed without removing the unit.
          B-46 is many times easier to repair than MV873Ka501 or, say, yours, GD883. Not to mention the AGT-1500. That is why our GTD-1250 did not "go".
          Therefore, the presence or absence of "quick release" does not prove anything. Doesn't make the tank worse or better. It should be considered in a complex, and not to make populist "stuffing". smile type:
          Quote: Professor
          I don’t want to show Merkava’s power unit replacement video so that you do not have a heart attack for how long it takes.

          Yes, we know Israel is the birthplace of elephants. laughing
          1. Professor
            Professor 6 June 2016 15: 01
            +5
            Quote: otto meer
            "Quick change" is needed for this reason, all modern engines, of all types (GTE, TD - it doesn't matter), on all Western tanks are very complex and repairable only in specialized enterprises.

            Seriously? Who told you such nonsense? I naively thought that a quick engine change is necessary for a quick return to the tank. It turns out that this is not so at all. laughing

            Quote: otto meer
            Therefore, the task of repairmen, even of the divisional level, is only to replace the unit.

            Respected. My colleague is a battalion-level repairman, he served as an emergency and reserve service there. They repaired the entire chassis, transmission and engines themselves. I personally saw them digging into diesel engines of bourgeois trucks (the famous Rio), and not "replacing the unit." Our repair is divided into 4 levels and only the last 2 are done in "service centers". The main thing is to get the equipment back into operation as soon as possible.

            Quote: otto meer
            Therefore, the presence or absence of "quick release" does not prove anything.

            Proves notorious maintainability. It is one thing to return a tank to service in 15 minutes, and another in 70 hours. How many human hours standards are there for replacing the SU on the T-72? Why on Armata a quick replacement of SU is presented as an advantage?

            Quote: otto meer
            Doesn't make a tank worse or better.

            You won't hear the word "better" or "worse" in relation to technology from me.

            Quote: otto meer
            Yes, we know Israel is the birthplace of elephants.

            We all know that the homeland of elephants is located much north of Israel. fellow

            My question remains valid, why did the Czechs replace the SU T-72 with a power unit (replacement rate 2 hours)Powerpack for T-72M4 CZ tank, and in this city tank is everything left?


            PS
            French power unit replacement standard for T-72 1 hour in the field.
            POWERPACK 350S
            1. otto meer
              otto meer 6 June 2016 15: 57
              -1
              Quote: Professor
              I naively thought that a quick engine change is necessary for a quick return to the tank.
              I don’t even want to discuss your verbal balancing act. He's black. Yes, you sho! What a stupid thing! He is black! Prove the converse. Do not expect not to lead.
              Quote: Professor
              My colleague is a battalion level repairman who served there urgent and reserve. They repaired the entire chassis, transmission and engines themselves.
              Yeah, yeah I believe - hydromechanical Allison, in a battalion, without dismantling. You would have to write old fairy tales for children.
              Quote: Professor
              How many human hours standards are there for replacing the SU on the T-72?
              For the B-46, 90 hours, I will single out, by the crew. But it is simple as satin underpants, it is repaired without removal - by sub-analysis and replacement / disassembly is an extreme measure.
              Quote: Professor
              Why on Armata a quick replacement of SU is presented as an advantage?
              Because A-85-3A is a completely different matter and it is simply not possible to repair it on the spot.
              Quote: Professor
              My question remains valid.
              The first time I've heard. But I think the answer is in the word French.
              Quote: Professor
              and in this city tank is everything left?
              But why is there something to change? The sea of ​​spare parts, repairmen know it far and wide, it is reliable, not whimsical, all-devouring, economical and traction. Why change it? Especially in a city tank, where the maximum speed is the speed of a running infantryman. What for? Because the professor of the near-milking sciences does not like it?
              1. Professor
                Professor 6 June 2016 19: 22
                +3
                Quote: otto meer
                I don’t even want to discuss your verbal balancing act.

                And don't discuss. "Repairability" is the ability to be repaired and returned to service. In one case it takes 90 hours, and in another 1-2 hours, but a miracle ... 90 hours is more maintainable. wink

                Quote: otto meer
                Yeah, yeah I believe - hydromechanical Allison, in a battalion, without dismantling. You would have to write old fairy tales for children.

                Who told you that without dismantling? Do you upload photos or videos? wink
                I repeat, there are 4 levels of repair: "a", "b", "c" and "d". "a" and "b" are produced on their own.

                Quote: otto meer
                For the B-46, 90 hours, I will single out, by the crew. But it is simple as satin underpants, it is repaired without removal - by sub-analysis and replacement / disassembly is an extreme measure.

                Yes Yes. I believe. Vasya Pupkin called up 6 months ago with a sledgehammer and adjustable wrench. Dumb Czechs. Such a cool engine was changed to English shit ... Maybe 90 hours didn’t work for them and they preferred 2 hours. So to say extreme measure. lol

                Quote: otto meer
                Because A-85-3A is a completely different matter and it is simply not possible to repair it on the spot.

                Like this! They created a tank that had no taxes in the world, and the engine to it, which is as simple as satin underpants, was not repaired without removal.

                Quote: otto meer
                The first time I've heard. But I think the answer is in the word French.

                But weak by themselves, or religion does not allow?


                Quote: otto meer
                But why is there something to change? The sea of ​​spare parts, repairmen know it far and wide, it is reliable, not whimsical, all-devouring, economical and traction. Why change it?

                It is necessary to return the T-34 to service. The sea of ​​spare parts, repairmen know it far and wide, it is reliable, not whimsical, all-devouring, economical and traction. The logic is clear.

                Quote: otto meer
                Especially in a city tank, where the maximum speed is the speed of a running infantryman. What for?

                What matters is not speed, but acceleration. Well, the ability to be quickly repaired in a return to duty.

                Quote: otto meer
                Because the professor of the near-milking sciences does not like it?

                Not near-milking sciences, but sour cabbage soup.
              2. Professor
                Professor 6 June 2016 19: 29
                +4
                Well, in general, do not want to - well, and do not. hi
                However, it seems to me that time will pass and with the next 1000000th modernization we will suddenly see the combined power block and everyone will tell how good it is. something like with an automatic transmission. For a long time and persistently they told how good the mechanical, and then suddenly they began to put the machine.
                1. otto meer
                  otto meer 7 June 2016 12: 12
                  0
                  Quote: Professor
                  Well, in general, do not want to - well, and do not.
                  Why don't I want to, I really want to. I want a monoblock, I want a REM caterpillar, and I want ammo with knockout ones, and I want domestic night vision devices, I want a lot of things. But it's one thing to want to be able to. And then there is the question of expediency. Our tanks (except, of course, the very controversial Armata) were originally designed for Vasya Pupkin with 6 months of service. Hence all the "delights" of the design. Good or bad a topic for a separate scientific work. For "lokalok" it is bad, but for "total" it is probably better not come up with. But nevertheless, the Russian design school of tank building takes place, as well as tanks, and it should be noted that they are very, very good. I avoid the word "unparalleled in the world" am but let's say very competitive. hi
  6. Metlik
    Metlik 6 June 2016 09: 02
    +1
    What about sniper detection devices? On a city tank, they would be just right.
  7. Alex_T
    Alex_T 6 June 2016 09: 09
    +6
    In my amateurish opinion. Protection against horizontal shelling is enhanced, but for urban battles, this modification of the tank is poorly protected from grenades from above (from windows and roofs of buildings). The power of the gun for the city is also excessive, the long barrel makes it difficult to maneuver, but remotely exploded ammunition would have come in handy to get the enemy out of windows and walls.
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 June 2016 11: 11
      0
      Quote: Alex_T
      this modification of the tank is poorly protected from grenades from above (from windows and roofs of buildings).

      Yes, yes ... but have you heard about the "ricochet"? It is not so easy to do what you say, there is a very large meeting angle of grenades and armor, especially since a tank in the city must act in conjunction with the infantry, which will remove such "Rambo" from the road
      Quote: Alex_T
      The power of the gun for the city is also excessive, the long barrel makes it difficult to maneuver, but remotely exploded ammunition would have come in handy to get the enemy out of windows and walls.

      Say the power is redundant? Yes, when shooting at city buildings, especially old ones, it happens and is not enough, shells like balls bounce off walls.
      There is a remotely exploded ammunition, but also do not forget that the existing standard OFS can also be set for different response times.
      Maneuvering fire and tracks completely depends on the skill and training of the crew.
  8. Alex_T
    Alex_T 6 June 2016 09: 15
    +1
    Side view of the tower.
    1. Professor
      Professor 6 June 2016 12: 52
      +8
      How does a tank imprisoned for battle in urban development have such undisguised zones?
  9. rudolff
    rudolff 6 June 2016 10: 10
    +5
    If we are talking about a modernized / modified version of the tank, then talk about nothing. Not bad and not good, almost nothing. And if we are just talking about some kind of hinged set of additional protection, which is quickly installed on any machine on its own, not in the factory, then God himself ordered. And the birdhouse, and the bulldozer dump, and the grilles have long been asking for it. Although ... one could have done better.
  10. castle
    castle 6 June 2016 10: 11
    +1
    An old Russian proverb: "Fish for fishlessness and cancer".
    The modernization of the T-72 indicates a lag in the plans for the rearmament of the Russian army.
    Stolen, s.
    At best, there is nothing to offer other than propaganda. Or, as Martin Luther King said, "I dream of ..."
    1. svp67
      svp67 6 June 2016 11: 03
      +1
      Quote: hrad
      The modernization of the T-72 indicates a lag in the plans for the rearmament of the Russian army.
      Stolen, s.

      And did not think about the fact that the T-72 is the MOST MASS TANK IN HISTORY, and there are VERY MUCH of them, not only here, but also abroad. Just so refuse this opportunity to capitalize on their modernization? Moreover, the list of countries ready to do this is extensive, and this is Israel, Poland, the Czech Republic, Ukraine ... And what shows their willingness to carry out this modernization?
  11. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 6 June 2016 10: 53
    -4
    I don’t know what the modernizers of the machine were thinking about. How can this tank be used in urban conditions, where behind each pile of brick or in the basement, in the sewer hatch, etc. an RPG fighter will easily hide. From the upper floors of buildings the same infection. How to maneuver in narrow streets, in inter-house driveways, walk through arches, etc. Live to him until the 2th shot, will get to the bottom or to the lid.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 6 June 2016 12: 10
      +3
      Quote: avg-mgn
      How this tank can be used in urban environments


      Oddly enough for you, but not only "mona" - "nuna"! smile

      The tactics of using tanks in the conduct of hostilities under conditions of military service was worked out as far back as the 30 of the 20 century at the UMM General Staff of the Red Army (now GABTU General Staff of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation).

      There is such a well-known book - "A manual for a soldier-tanker", GABTU of the Red Army, Military ed. NPO of the USSR 1941.
      So I recommend you find and read it. Especially the chapter 1 - Combat use of tanks. Everything is told there.
      1. serverny
        serverny 6 June 2016 12: 52
        0
        Well, the tactics of storming / cleaning up modern cities using MBT were brought to mind in the second Chechen one.
        In my opinion, here on the topvar I read an article on behalf of a participant in the events, I can not find ...
        1. otto meer
          otto meer 6 June 2016 14: 55
          +4
          Quote: wanderer_032
          The tactics of using tanks during combat operations in the conditions of us.points was developed back in the 30s of the 20th century
          And in what conflicts was it "worked out"? In the memo to which you are referring "" A manual for a soldier-tanker ", GABTU of the Red Army, Military Publishing House of the NKO USSR 1941." about this one paragraph, two pictures. The tactics were worked out a little later, by the 45th on the basis of battles in the cities of Western Europe, well, and Stalingrad - no doubt!
          Quote: serverny
          Well, the tactics of storming / cleaning up modern cities using MBT were brought to mind in the second Chechen one.
          They just remembered about her by that time, after the first "hat-throwing" company. And they adapted to reality, of course.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 6 June 2016 17: 10
            0
            Quote: otto meer
            And in what conflicts was it "worked out"?


            And that there were few of them? Look at those armed conflicts in which the Soviet military participated during the 30-s, 20-th century.

            As far as I can remember, our tankers fought:

            1.In Spain
            The Civil War in Spain (Spanish: Guerra Civil Española; July 1936 - April 1939) - the conflict between the Second Spanish Republic represented by the government of the Spanish Popular Front (republicans, loyalists) and the Spanish-nationalist dictatorship opposed to it led by General Francisco Franco (mutiny) .
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Гражданская_война_в_Испании

            2.On Khalkhin Gol
            Fights on Khalkhin Gol (Mong. Khalkhin Golyn Bildaan or Mong. Khalkhin Golyn Dain, Japanese ノ モ ン ハ ン 事件 Nomon Khan Dziken) - an undeclared local armed conflict that lasted from spring to autumn 1939 year near the river Khalkhin Gol 900 km east of Ulaanbaatar) near the border with Manzhou-th between the USSR, Mongolia on the one hand and the Japanese Empire and Manzhou-go on the other.
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Бои_на_Халхин-Голе

            3. Polish campaign of the 1939 year
            The Polish campaign of the Red Army (17 — 29 of September 1939 of the year), in modern historiography also the Soviet invasion of Poland - a military operation of the Workers 'and Peasants' Red Army in the eastern regions of the Polish Republic (which became part of it following the results of the Riga Peace Treaty of 1921 of the year), and Vilnius Region (transformed into the Vilnius Voivodeship and controlled by Poland since 1923 of the year).
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Польский_поход_Красной_армии_(1939)


            4. To the Soviet-Finnish
            Soviet-Finnish war of the 1939 — 1940 years (Soviet-Finnish war, fin. Talvisota - Winter war [9], Swedish vinterkriget) - an armed conflict between the USSR and Finland during the period from November 30 to 1939 on March 12 on March 1940.
            https://ru.wikipedia.org/wiki/Советско-финская_война_(1939—1940)

            And in all these armed conflicts, one way or another, there were battles in the conditions of human settlements. Either large or small.
            1. otto meer
              otto meer 7 June 2016 12: 17
              0
              In all these conflicts, there was not a single moment with intense urban combat using BT. request
          2. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 6 June 2016 17: 33
            0
            Quote: otto meer
            In the memo to which you are referring "" A manual for a soldier-tanker ", GABTU of the Red Army, Military Publishing House of the NKO USSR 1941." about this one paragraph, two pictures.


            Actually, you looked bad. In addition to the section "Fight for us.points" p. 52-54., There is also a section "Reconnaissance.

            In addition, in the "Tanks in Defense" section, some things are also touched upon, which are used in our points, incl.

            And the book is written purely on the military, everything is clear, concise and on the case.
            1. otto meer
              otto meer 7 June 2016 12: 22
              0
              Quote: wanderer_032
              And the book is written purely on the military, everything is clear, concise and on the case.

              No one argues. But "proven tactics" are not a dozen pages in the MANUAL. This is a course in military educational institutions, these are real-life use cases, these are trained soldiers and officers, this is a whole big deal, not a GUIDE. hi
    2. Chisayna
      Chisayna 6 June 2016 15: 48
      0
      Already used. The second assault on Grozny. In the 74 Motorized Rifle Brigade, not a single tank was lost from RPGs and peters.
  12. BAI
    BAI 6 June 2016 12: 49
    0
    yes last week this tank was already discussed. Why re-throw? Have you paid for the advertisement? So buyers are not on this site.
  13. Signaller
    Signaller 6 June 2016 14: 53
    +1
    Lino think nonsense is complete. Such a 125 mm cannon with its long lift 60-70 degrees up is something. Here it is necessary to approach simpler and more efficiently. Gun A --- kaya is 125 millimeters. with an automatic loader can completely give way to a shorter-barrel and smaller-sized installation with the same caliber and the same automatic loader, but with a more capacious magazine. It is not necessary to shoot at tanks at distances of 2-4 km from a new cannon. Therefore, the entire rolling part of such arrays is not needed. The trunk can be shortened by 70%. And 2 meters is enough- So the rolling part has decreased in size and the trunk in size is the same. Well, here and 60-70 degrees rise can be provided. This is the main thing. With such a gun and automatic rifle, any sniper or long-term stronghold on the upper floors is not a problem. And leave all these bullets 23-37 mmm to support the pants and for the suddenly appeared kamikaze RPG.
  14. Skubudu
    Skubudu 6 June 2016 15: 01
    0
    It would be better if KAZ type Arenas for a tank were developed and implemented.
    I don’t offer the Arena itself, it does not protect the upper hemisphere.
  15. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 6 June 2016 15: 44
    +1
    Quote: wanderer_032
    There is such a well-known book - "A manual for a soldier-tanker", GABTU of the Red Army, Military ed. NPO of the USSR 1941.
    So I recommend you find and read it. Especially the chapter 1 - Combat use of tanks. Everything is told there.


    Question. I voiced the problem not of the 41-45 of the year, but of the existence of today's (yesterday's) battle in the city of tank units with the support of the infantry. WENT THROUGH and passed to the 1 Chechen, (I lost four friends of the tankmen from the station. Lt. to the sub-station .. and not one of them was a sucker on the battlefield, I answer!).
    All, together with the crews, were killed "under the bottom", three on cumulative mines, and one - the tank commander, through the tower from above. Writer ... Sorry, I'm not a tanker, but it was not you who mourned them ... Sorry about YOU. You will understand. Ground up.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 6 June 2016 17: 15
      0
      Quote: avg-mgn
      WENT THROUGH and went to the 1 Chechen, (I lost four friends of the tankers from the station. Lt. to the sub .. and not one of them was a sucker on the battlefield, I answer!).


      1-I Chechen - there was still that mess. Everyone already knows everything about it for so long.
      The blame is not the guys who were thrown there to their own devices, but the command.

      By the way, there is an article about tank battles in the conditions of the village, called "New Year's Carousel".

      Here is the link: http: //otvaga2004.ru/tanki/v-boyah/vechkanov/

      Also the tankman wrote. A direct participant in those events.
  16. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 6 June 2016 15: 56
    0
    I allow myself to continue that point of view on behalf of the entrenched in the city:
  17. yehat
    yehat 6 June 2016 15: 56
    +1
    it was necessary to tell the factory honestly - a tank partially adapted for urban battles.
  18. A. Privalov
    A. Privalov 6 June 2016 16: 29
    +1
    Until then, I heard about the layoffs at Uralvagonzavod. Under the guise of "production optimization" 3000 people will go out into the streets.
    1. Cat man null
      Cat man null 6 June 2016 16: 32
      0
      Quote: A. Privalov
      So far, I have heard about layoffs at Uralvagonzavod. Under the guise of "production optimization" 3000 people will go to the streets

      - and a reference?
      - UVZ management reported that there will be no reductions, there will be a "reduction" of empty jobs

      Quote: RIA Novosti http://ria.ru/economy/20160216/1375233331.html#ixzz4AnmTmykF
      MOSCOW, February 16 - RIA Novosti. The management of the research and production corporation Uralvagonzavod (UVZ) did not cut personnel last year and does not plan to do so, the press service of UVZ said on Tuesday.
      Earlier, about 70 workers staged a rally to protest the layoffs at Uralvagonzavod. Commenting on this information, the company reported that there were no reductions, planned optimization is underway due to the abolition of vacancies.
      "There were no reductions at Uralvagonzavod in 2015, and it is not planned in 2016 either," the corporation reports.


      PS: when it was chewed here a month ago, there was a figure of 2000 people. Now it’s already 3000 ... well, well ... request
    2. Veteran
      Veteran 6 June 2016 17: 13
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      Uralvagonzavod sends on forced leave for June-month approx. 3000 workers due to lack of orders for civilian products. Indeed, the main volume of its products is freight cars (design capacity of 18 thousand cars), which began to sell poorly. Those leaving on this vacation will be paid 2 / 3 salaries.
      1. Cat man null
        Cat man null 6 June 2016 17: 49
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        Quote: Veteran
        Uralvagonzavod sends on forced leave for the month of June ...

        - Already sent
        - it's not even "vacation at your own expense". I walked up in this in the 90s, I remember ...
        - and this is definitely not dismissal No.

        Quote: http://www.interfax.ru/russia/511398
        Moscow. 2 June. INTERFAX.RU - The head enterprise of JSC NPK Uralvagonzavod in Nizhny Tagil sent about 3 thousand workers on forced leave, the press service of the plant told Interfax.

        "Since January of this year, the company has been working full-time. Due to the traditional decline in business and production activity in June, as well as due to the fact that the planned level of sales of marketable products for 2016 does not give full employment, in the period from 1 until June 30 of this year, the workers of the wagon-assembly and metallurgical industries, as well as related management services, are in forced downtime, "said a spokesman for the press service.

        He noted that forced vacations are an alternative measure to maintain personnel potential in the face of irregular work of industrial units, without reducing the number of employees. For employees who are idle, retains 2/3 of the average wage.

        Uralvagonzavod management is using alternative opportunities to keep employees busy. "For example, in June, the planned repair of equipment and repair of industrial buildings and structures will begin. The employees of the enterprise will be maximally involved in these works," said the press service representative.

        At the Personnel Training Center of Uralvagonzavod, employees of the enterprise will be trained in the specialty "roofer". Trained specialists will be engaged in the repair of roofs in the shops of metallurgical, wagon-assembly and mechanical-assembly production. In 2016, it is planned to repair roofs and glazing with a total area of ​​more than 49 thousand square meters. meters.

        According to the press service, the management of the corporation is taking measures to stabilize the situation and search for potential customers. In particular, an agreement was signed for the supply of 400 freight cars of model 12-196-02 for the Federal Freight Company JSC. Other contracts are in the works that will increase the production load
  19. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 6 June 2016 16: 33
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    Quote: avg-mgn
    I allow myself to continue that point of view on behalf of the entrenched in the city:

    Sorry, I will continue. From the point of view of the person (Hari, funny faces), the city is upholding, that is, opposing tanks, at least I will do:
    I’ll start inter-quarterly and inter-house thoroughfares with cumulative mines, I’ll hide a dozen fighters at main junctions (there are plenty of them in any city)., On the floors of fighters with cocktails and thermal bombs ... Of course, everywhere the fighters are cutting off and at least with RPGs.
    What can I counteract a battalion of long-barreled clumsy with an absurd birdhouse on the tower, if it does not fit into the size of the city arch, and will calve in the inter-house passage ??? Now, but oppose.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 6 June 2016 18: 15
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      Quote: avg-mgn
      From the point of view of the person (Hari, funny faces), the city is upholding, that is, opposing tanks, at least I will do:


      From the point of view of the person (hari, erysipelas), the city of the attacker, that is, the tanks using:

      1. I will completely block this item.

      2. Before the assault I will conduct reconnaissance and reconnaissance of the area

      3. I will form assault groups and give them tanks and engineer units

      4. I will organize joint coordination of the actions of the assault groups, missile-artillery and engineer-engineer units, as well as aviation.

      5. Before starting the attack, I will try to identify as many cost centers, firing points, places where you can organize an ambush, etc. etc.

      6. Before the start of the attack, I will conduct massive BShU and missile-artillery attacks on the identified defensive objects and structures

      7.At the same time as conducting the command and control missile and rocket and artillery strikes, I will give a signal to all my forces to start the assault operation and an order to begin approaching all the above-mentioned forces and to be assigned to assault our military unit. and aircraft manufacturers + tanks (for fire support of assault group) and heavy engineering equipment for engineering support of the actions of assault group.

      8.All unremediated firing points and other similar objects of a defensive orientation identified during the assault will be destroyed by the fire of tanks, artillery and aircraft, as well as by the weapons of assault infantry groups. And this will continue until the complete defeat of the group defending this us. Or until her complete surrender.

      This is in general terms.
      1. voyaka uh
        voyaka uh 6 June 2016 23: 01
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        You would have to Syria to carry out these 8 points ... With a grouping of troops of half a million people.

        But life is cruel. And you have to take towns with 3 tanks, 4 infantry fighting vehicles and a company of infantry.
        As the Syrian army, then Nusra, then IG do it in turn.

        And the SA tanks should at least somehow be more convenient and adapted for such attacks.
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 7 June 2016 06: 36
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          Quote: voyaka uh
          You would have to Syria to implement these 8 points ...


          In Syria, significant adjustments will be needed. Because what I have described is only suitable in a situation where one regular army is fighting against another regular army.

          In Syria, the situation is different. There, the regular army fights against terrorist groups, which are not regular military units.

          The actions of the SAR AF are constrained by the presence of civilians in those settlements in which battles are being fought. With all the ensuing consequences.

          In order to clean us. Point in which terrorist groups operate, it is necessary to evacuate the civilian population, among which the terrorists take refuge. This entails a number of additional activities.
  20. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 6 June 2016 16: 54
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    Already used. The second assault on Grozny. In the 74 Motorized Rifle Brigade, not a single tank was lost from RPGs and peters.

    You must answer for the words if the OFFICER! A link to the data of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation please! A separate unit (did not enter the city) I agree, as well as with one crew. Lossless ...
    1. otto meer
      otto meer 7 June 2016 12: 39
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      Quote: avg-mgn
      You must answer for the words if the OFFICER!
      Calm friend! etozh online p ... Well! here no one is responsible for anything. So blurted out and okay. Crossed with 74 OMSBR at the Council of Ministers (two or three, I do not remember, 72 matches, lump, in my opinion Igor) - guys fire!
  21. Chisayna
    Chisayna 6 June 2016 18: 53
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    If you need links, then look for yourself. Or wind the coil and look after your girlfriend, otherwise the tankers are guys like that. And what about the losses. I am a witness. In WHO, in TB 74 OMSBR, not a single tank was lost from RPG and ATGM. By the way, during the storming of Grozny, I had to open text and in the face I had to send such "cool" garbage ops who came to our positions, shook their IDs, demanded, shouted that he was colonel of the Ministry of Internal Affairs Ivanov, Petrov-I order to urgently move to the next street to help the Sofra brigade.
  22. Lens
    Lens 6 June 2016 19: 58
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    I will not break spears about the tank as a whole, but the lattice screens in the form they are now - Trishkin caftan. There are photos and videos from Donbass, how RPG grenades "successfully" fall between metal strips and get stuck dangerously close to the armor. So the APU spreads the gratings by almost half a meter - and here they welded them close to the stern. If for the city, then the tank should be like a shock of hay on the screens!
    1. CTABEP
      CTABEP 10 June 2016 08: 41
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      But by the way, about Donbass - one thing is a self-propelled gun made "on the knee" - and another thing is normal screens, which should deform the cumulative funnel. Of course, he is also far from being a kid, but at least something, even if in 1 out of 10 cases they work as they should and the cumulative jet does not pierce the armor (or pierce, but does not pierce, for example, the engine) - these screens paid for themselves.
  23. CTABEP
    CTABEP 10 June 2016 08: 34
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    The modernization is dull, for 3 years even its obvious jambs were not really fixed - such as holes in the DZ, a "birdhouse" on the tower, which only the lazy could not walk through, and the absence of any gestures in the direction of improving the commander's view. Of course, better than nothing - but the buyer votes in rubles (or in dollars, for which they take tanks from us), and the lack of demand clearly shows that these problems are seen not only by couch warriors :).