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Complex "Gibka" modernized according to the requirements of the Navy

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The ship-based air defense system "Gibka" will be modernized by specialists of the enterprise "Ratep" (included in "Almaz-Antey") in accordance with the requirements of the Russian Navy, reports RIA News The message of the general director of the enterprise Marat Izgutdinov.


Layout launcher 3М47 "Bending" on MAKS-2009

Currently, the complexes are installed on the 21631 “Buyan-M” project.

“As for our traditional subject matter — sea-based complexes — here we see the main direction in the modernization of our Gibka anti-aircraft missile system. Such work is currently underway, ”the general director said on the RSN.

"Complex" Gibka "- the development of our company. What is air defense system "Bending"? "Bending" is, in general, an ultra-short-range anti-aircraft missile system, providing the ship's self-defense at the near turn, that is, it is of the order of 5 – 6 kilometers. The basis of the complex is the use of the Igla rocket - the development of the Kolomna Machine-Building Enterprise, ”explained Izgutdinov.

He also noted that the "modernization of" Bending "is carried out under the guidance of the Naval fleet».

Help agency: "Open Joint-Stock Company "RATEP" is a radio engineering enterprise in Serpukhov. It is a part of Concern VKO Almaz-Antey JSC. Leading Russian manufacturer of shipboard anti-aircraft missile and artillery control systems ”.
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  1. Shadowcat
    Shadowcat 5 June 2016 12: 31
    +4
    The last line of defense of the ship and its modern armor. I wonder what the fleet demanded?
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 5 June 2016 14: 09
      +15
      Quote: ShadowCat
      The last line of defense of the ship

      For large ships, the last line of defense of the ship, and for small corvettes the only line.
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 5 June 2016 16: 14
      +5
      The last frontier .. I may be wrong, but it seems that something fast-firing like a "sewing machine", "Duet", etc. is needed. Although for RTOs, corvettes and this will do, there is not enough space there.
      1. tlauicol
        tlauicol 5 June 2016 16: 25
        +9
        the problem is that neither Igla nor Verba will hit a missile below 10 m (and at available MANPADS ranges this is already an attack mode for anti-ship missiles). A wind / plane will not fit Gibka for a shot, even with Hellfire. Absolutely no protection
        1. Lt. Air Force stock
          Lt. Air Force stock 5 June 2016 17: 25
          0
          Quote: Tlauicol
          the problem is that neither Igla nor Verba will hit a missile below 10 m (and at available MANPADS ranges this is already an attack mode for anti-ship missiles). A wind / plane will not fit Gibka for a shot, even with Hellfire. Absolutely no protection

          Why not install these turrets on a mast superstructure? Near the radar. Indeed, for such systems, the higher the better.
          1. tlauicol
            tlauicol 5 June 2016 17: 37
            +6
            Gobok has a problem in the missiles themselves, and not in the installation height. Absolutely useless system at sea
            1. dvina71
              dvina71 5 June 2016 21: 45
              -1
              Quote: Tlauicol
              Gobok has a problem in the missiles themselves, and not in the installation height. Absolutely useless system at sea

              And what about the OS-M? How did they sink the Georgian boat? He took off to a height of more than 10m?
              1. Lieutenant Izhe
                Lieutenant Izhe 6 June 2016 10: 27
                0
                On August 10, 2008 the "Georgian boat" was fired upon by the "Mirage" MRK with a two-missile salvo of anti-ship missiles at a range of 25 (35?) Km ...
                There is no exact data on the effectiveness of the Wasp's shelling of the Georgian "dreadnought". Shrapnel can damage the ship's superstructure well, but sink ... ??
                The "Wasp MA-2" has a range of 15 km.
                In open sources, the analysis of this naval battle is not.
                journalistic reports - .... "bullshit pushed"
                PS The height of the Wasp's defeat is 5 meters, so it makes no difference to “Ose” - to fire a low-flying helicopter or a boat towering several meters above the water within the “radio horizon” or optical channel.
          2. Lieutenant Izhe
            Lieutenant Izhe 6 June 2016 10: 00
            0
            the mast deviated by 15-20 degrees in one direction, and the target flies up from the other at a height of 10 meters ...
        2. Lieutenant Izhe
          Lieutenant Izhe 6 June 2016 11: 03
          0
          Yes, the effectiveness of the "Needle" ("Verboi") shelling of anti-ship missiles on a collision course is MINIMUM, but ... it's still better than "nothing"!
          Although there is a "working basis" for improving this air defense system.
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 June 2016 18: 19
      0
      Quote: ShadowCat
      The last line of defense of the ship and its modern armor.

      Do not tell the forum ... what kind of armor on modern ships ... (study the topic) amused their incompetence ... laughing
      1. Shadowcat
        Shadowcat 6 June 2016 00: 00
        +4
        The word metaphor you need to know. soldier
  2. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 5 June 2016 12: 45
    +8
    And why was "Verba" not used on them? Or from the "Thor" rocket? Departmental showdown or? On small boats - IMHO, the launch range should be no less than some "Helfires", since aviation will not attack naval targets with NURSA and free-fall bombs, together with air cannons. I'm not sure if the "Harpoons" can be shot down with the "Flex".
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 5 June 2016 13: 05
      +2
      Dimensions maybe? The purpose of the ships themselves? Insufficient radar (not fit / too light)?
      Also on Buyanakh-M are ZAK AK-630M-2 “Duet” for fighting harpoons and other things.
      1. Roman 11
        Roman 11 5 June 2016 13: 54
        0
        Quote: ShadowCat
        Also on Buyanakh-M are ZAK AK-630M-2

        And what about the AK-630 is not the time to change? How many decades is the same.
        1. Andrey Yuryevich
          Andrey Yuryevich 5 June 2016 18: 27
          +2
          Quote: Novel 11
          Quote: ShadowCat
          Also on Buyanakh-M are ZAK AK-630M-2

          And what about the AK-630 is not the time to change? How many decades is the same.

          what did 630 not please? working norm. "Falanx" Americans do not change the same, reliable machine.
          1. alexmach
            alexmach 5 June 2016 22: 35
            0
            what did 630 not please? working norm. "Falanx" Americans do not change the same, reliable machine.


            Still, there is more data on the efficiency of the Phalanx than on the AK-630. God knows how the fire control system 630 shows itself in practice.
    2. donavi49
      donavi49 5 June 2016 13: 19
      +11
      Perhaps applied after modernization.

      Missiles will not fit into Thor - this is the Dagger complex, and the radar is still coming to it. Installed on BOD for example.

      We need a small rocket, but with good energy. In the world they decide this - for example, using short-range B-B missiles. The best system has reached the RiM-116 built on the Sidewader with the STS from Stinger, for example, the stabilized LMS provides reliable and stable grip, and the missile has enough energy and power (again, RIM has 11kg warheads versus 2kg for MANPADS) to solve problems.

      The Chinese follow a similar path, only they took a B-B helicopter built on the Sidewyder clone. Plus, they immediately developed a whole family of launchers, from small ones on 8 missiles to large ones on 24.
      1. Lt. Air Force stock
        Lt. Air Force stock 5 June 2016 17: 27
        0
        Quote: donavi49
        We need a small rocket, but with good energy. In the world they decide this - for example, using short-range B-B missiles. The best system has reached the RiM-116 built on the Sidewader with the STS from Stinger, for example, the stabilized LMS provides reliable and stable grip, and the missile has enough energy and power (again, RIM has 11kg warheads versus 2kg for MANPADS) to solve problems.

        So she has a speed of only 2 mach. How can she bring down supersonic missiles?
        1. tlauicol
          tlauicol 5 June 2016 17: 46
          0
          on tests 2,5mah Vandal knocks down
        2. donavi49
          donavi49 5 June 2016 19: 05
          +2
          And why should the database complex catch up with someone ??? He is going to an intersection or meeting.

          If anything, Bending with the Needle has even lower speed.

          This is an ideological complex for small / special (landing, command, etc.) ships, where nothing bigger can be shoved. Or for the near air defense circuit - for example, for Burke destroyers, for the Germans for destroyers, etc. There he plays the role of wandering - that which passes through the Standard.

          The Chinese have a similar structure. It is put on 056 corvettes as the main complex of air defense systems. Or as an additional circuit on the new 054B frigates (in addition to Calm), and the 052D destroyers in addition to the HHQ-9B (based on the Fort, but with a higher channel, with a significantly modified missile, with mines instead of drums, with a new radar).
    3. Andrey Yuryevich
      Andrey Yuryevich 5 June 2016 18: 24
      0
      "willow" -pzrk, "thor" -zrk, or do you care?
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      I'm not sure if the "Harpoons" can be shot down with the "Flex".

      and with the help of "torus" - is it possible?
      1. Lieutenant Izhe
        Lieutenant Izhe 6 June 2016 17: 18
        0
        "Thor" M2 just "taught" to fire "on the move", the lower height of the defeat -10 m.
        "Harpoon" flies along 2 types of trajectories: 1. low-altitude 2-4 meters above the water and
        2.with climb up to 1800 m (diving towards the target)
        CONCLUSION: If "Thor" could work at sea, then the manufacturer would have "primed" it for a LONG time! ..))
  3. NordUral
    NordUral 5 June 2016 13: 28
    +1
    It would be better to work to prevent a possible destruction of the ship to such a short range.
    1. Shadowcat
      Shadowcat 5 June 2016 13: 43
      0
      Of course an option. But what if all the same breaks through the long and middle line of the air defense and missile defense orders? "Is it stupid to jump to escape buckshot?"
      Defense can be considered insurmountable only when it is carefully prepared and layered. (C)
    2. Seaman77
      Seaman77 5 June 2016 13: 49
      +3
      Quote: NordUral
      It would be better to work to prevent a possible destruction of the ship to such a short range.


      You suggest to put on "Buyan" S-300F ??
      1. just exp
        just exp 5 June 2016 16: 27
        +2
        the torus should be enough
    3. 00001
      00001 5 June 2016 18: 21
      0
      It is hard to believe that someone will approach this range voluntarily
  4. tlauicol
    tlauicol 5 June 2016 13: 47
    0
    And why all these years "Buyans" were armed with trash? Money has nowhere to go?
    1. max2215
      max2215 5 June 2016 17: 42
      +2
      Rather, patching budget holes - "I blinded you out of what was," and at the design stage, rather, they saved money (well, like MRKs will shoot, and there at least the grass won't grow). Well, so they inserted missiles from MANPADS into a new carriage and now, you can report, there is air defense. But in fact, it was cheaper to arm the crew with slingshots, the same sense, for that it is cheaper. Maybe they will upgrade when? Well, you can't save on air defense ...
  5. berezin1987
    berezin1987 5 June 2016 14: 13
    +4
    And why not arm the ship with an air-to-air missile launcher of the p-73 type of short range, as the Americans and Chinese did. Her characteristics will obviously be higher, she has a full-angle ig. Or is it all a matter of price? Air-to-air missiles are effective against supersonic targets, have a sufficiently powerful warhead and better energy
  6. Kudrevkn
    Kudrevkn 5 June 2016 14: 16
    +1
    Some of the Experts can suggest. what missiles do the Israelis use in their Iron Dome missile defense system?
    1. voyaka uh
      voyaka uh 5 June 2016 17: 31
      +2
      These are: the Tamir rocket.
      90 kg, 3 m length, 160 mm diameter
      1. Kudrevkn
        Kudrevkn 5 June 2016 18: 02
        +2
        Thank you! And what is the range of this Jewish miracle?
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  7. Zomanus
    Zomanus 5 June 2016 14: 19
    0
    Well, as I understand it, "Needle" can always be replaced with "Verba".
    Maybe it will be updated. The thing about this complex is
    that it can be put on small ships.
  8. Navuxonastupil
    Navuxonastupil 5 June 2016 14: 30
    +2
    The rocket is probably not bad, but what always amazed me in our defense industry is the names ... Sometimes you wonder where, how and in what place these terrible words are ... Flexible ... I understand that this is the name of the method metal processing, but it sounds nasty! For example, they would call "Nagibator" if the verb bend is so sweet to the mind and heart of the defense industry and warriors ...
    1. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 5 June 2016 14: 38
      +2
      Quote: Navuxonastupil
      They would call for example "Nagibator",

      Or "forced", but this is an intercontinental missile should be given a similar name.
      In general, the names are easier to remember, the nomenclature of weapons in the army of the VKS and the navy is huge. Digital indexes are not memorized, and it’s pretty easy.
    2. Kudrevkn
      Kudrevkn 5 June 2016 18: 04
      0
      Will we replace the "Scalpel" with the "Plasmatron"?
    3. iliitchitch
      iliitchitch 6 June 2016 01: 20
      0
      Quote: Navuxonastupil
      if the verb is bent so sweet to the mind and heart of the defenders and warrior ...

      As for the names - well, unless that is the answer - laughing laughing laughing
      Five points on a five-point basis.
  9. iliitchitch
    iliitchitch 5 June 2016 14: 39
    +1
    Quote: NordUral
    It would be better to work to prevent a possible destruction of the ship to such a short range.


    That's the point, crawl on a motorboat, shy away from the pipe and dump. For the whole world it’s yelling - we are the champions. Pure entropy, wet on a pot, and no nails, here is my slogan and the sun.
  10. Ros 56
    Ros 56 5 June 2016 15: 33
    0
    It’s good that not a day is something new. Well, of course, you can’t foresee everything for all occasions.
  11. Buffet
    Buffet 5 June 2016 17: 03
    0
    Provided that at the RATEPE, with sn, it’s not very ... I don’t think that everything is rosy straight, and with the T-50 everything is not so smooth. Some appliances are still very raw. Looks like they will be finalized when the aircraft is already in operation.
  12. 31rus2
    31rus2 5 June 2016 17: 14
    0
    Dear, there was material on "Pine", but if they do, the very thing is that there is no news about this project for a long time
  13. Alex777
    Alex777 5 June 2016 19: 35
    0
    Quote: Andrew Y.
    Quote: Novel 11
    Quote: ShadowCat
    Also on Buyanakh-M are ZAK AK-630M-2

    And what about the AK-630 is not the time to change? How many decades is the same.

    what did 630 not please? working norm. "Falanx" Americans do not change the same, reliable machine.


    The Americans are already taking the Phalanxes, not the sets.
    The speed of the goals that must be hit has grown for.
    It is a pity that the Duet is already alas - they will not develop.
  14. avg-mgn
    avg-mgn 5 June 2016 20: 17
    +1
    Quote: Tlauicol
    Gobok has a problem in the missiles themselves, and not in the installation height. Absolutely useless system at sea
    I read the article and comments. But I didn’t make a conclusion for myself what it turns out - they carried out modernization according to the customer’s requirements, and judging by the comments to zero. Maybe I didn’t get it. Do forum experts have a reasonable explanation for this situation? Thanks in advance if anyone will help to figure it out.