Moscow is ready to agree on the armament of part of the OSCE monitors in the Donbass

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Moscow is ready to compromise and agree to the provision of the right to have personal weapon for self defense RIA News statement by Sergey Lavrov.

Moscow is ready to agree on the armament of part of the OSCE monitors in the Donbass


Lavrov recalled that earlier Russia had supported the decision “on the establishment of several security zones on the demarcation line in Donbas in the most disturbing areas and the possibility of deploying an additional number of OSCE monitors there, including in places where heavy equipment is stored.

“We said we would be ready, if it helped the cause, to agree that by the OSCE decision this additional group of observers who would control the demarcation line in heavy weapons stockpiling sites had the right to carry personal weapons,” said the Russian Foreign Minister.

According to him, "one can always find an acceptable national composition of the observer mission."

“And this is not about the CIS or non-CIS, but that the experience of such events with the OSCE and the UN shows that very often unarmed observers are more protected than with personal weapons,” Lavrov said.

“We are ready for such a compromise, it’s up to the rest of our partners. I have already said that we would be ready to agree to supply these additional observers with personal weapons, but this causes rejection of very many OSCE members, ”he explained.

The minister also allowed the OSCE mission to be given some police functions. “Pistols for self-defense. This practice takes place. It can be considered that this is an element of police functions, but, above all, it is protection and monitoring of non-violation of the right of way and storage sites, ”the minister added.

He also noted that Poroshenko, obsessed with the idea of ​​establishing armed control throughout the territory of Donbass, “distorts” the results of the negotiations of the “Norman Four”.

A day ago, Poroshenko said that the “Quartet” came to an agreement on the issue of entering a police mission in the Donbas.

“Kiev’s statements about the alleged agreement on the introduction of an armed OSCE mission in the Donbass do not correspond to reality,” and we “urge caution in arming observers,” said the Russian permanent representative to the organization, Alexander Lukashevich.
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  1. +7
    5 June 2016 10: 08
    Pistols against mortars? belay
    1. +24
      5 June 2016 10: 12
      I agree to such "policemen" ...

      and these will be "suckers" ...
      1. +14
        5 June 2016 10: 32
        Quote: CORNET

        and these will be "suckers" ...

        These are not suckers, but Basilio’s cats and Alice’s foxes, in general, such cheaters and scammers who weep on them, and they need to be given weapons so that they can be shot dead, but no more.
        1. +2
          5 June 2016 11: 40
          A Nagan with one cartridge, but in general it’s enough traumatism, or better gas farts ... then they will be guaranteed to be guaranteed!
    2. +7
      5 June 2016 10: 15
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Pistols against mortars?

      You can give them personal weapons, but the good of it ... And in what circumstances will they be able to use them in general?
      Poroshenko wants to place "police forces" on the border with the Russian Federation, and not on the line of contact - this is understandable.
      To give pestles to observers is a mockery of a little pig. smile
      1. +1
        5 June 2016 15: 49
        Quote: Gray Brother
        Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
        Pistols against mortars?

        You can give them personal weapons, but the good of it ... And in what circumstances will they be able to use them in general?
        Poroshenko wants to place "police forces" on the border with the Russian Federation, and not on the line of contact - this is understandable.
        To give pestles to observers is a mockery of a little pig. smile

        By the way
        Russia is an OSCE member and has the second largest contingent within this organization.
    3. +7
      5 June 2016 10: 21
      Moscow agreed. And LDNR was asked if they want strangers with guns at home? Or do they not have their own police?
      1. +10
        5 June 2016 10: 33
        Quote: siberalt
        Moscow agreed

        What exactly? "Allows" is not synonymous with "agreed."
        And LDNR was asked if they want strangers with guns at home?

        And they can not "allow" and will be in their own right. Russia is not a party to the conflict (let's start with this) and does not abandon attempts to force the junta to negotiate directly with the LPR.
        Then they will present at the meeting of the four what they say: we allowed, but the republics do not want something, and why they don’t want to — let us ask them ourselves.
        1. +13
          5 June 2016 10: 45
          "Russia is not a party to the conflict." This is for sure, "plusanul. And to give out" deaf-blind mute monsters "(this is not about people with disabilities, well, everyone knows)" PM "for defense (I don't know from whom) - we don't care. In the DPR, you can officially register everything except grenade launchers and BMP. Not noticeable because of this surge in crime. Even on the roads everyone became polite “to the point of disgrace.” In Donetsk, it is much safer than in most cities geyropy and tan. We love our city. By the way, much cleaner than in most cities. I bet.
          1. -1
            5 June 2016 11: 41
            Quote: German Titov
            In the DPR, you can officially register everything except grenade launchers and infantry fighting vehicles. Not noticeable because of this surge in crime. Even on the roads, everyone became outrageously polite.

            So there it means how in the wild west carry trunks everywhere? Are everyone polite on the roads? Oh, as for me, on the contrary, the possibility of a shot makes people with different physical capabilities equal to each other, the probability that they will shoot at you because of your increased voice is negligible. But if you try to inflict physical violence, then the probability of a shot is much higher. After all, no one will argue? And so it will turn out that for small and physically weak people (for the most numerous kind of scandalous people) their hands will be untied (languages ​​in the sense). Therefore, it seems to me that your comment is false, and carries agitation in itself for the resolution of military weapons to the civilian population.
        2. +4
          5 June 2016 15: 05
          Quote: Gray Brother
          What exactly? "Allows" is not synonymous with "agreed."

          And if you also listen to everything that Lavrov said on this issue. Listen to his understanding of the problem, so there are no questions left immediately.
      2. +4
        5 June 2016 10: 34
        Quote: siberalt
        Moscow agreed. And LDNR was asked if they want strangers with guns at home? Or do they not have their own police?

        In the next post with Denis Pushilin. They asked! A clear answer. "NO"
      3. avt
        +4
        5 June 2016 10: 43
        Quote: siberalt
        Moscow agreed. And LDNR was asked if they want strangers with guns at home?

        Lavrov gave an interview yesterday in Russia24 and added, almost verbatim - Kiev should agree this decision with the LDNR authorities. Now pay attention to this -
        According to him, "one can always find an acceptable national composition of the observer mission."

        “And this is not about the CIS or non-CIS, but that the experience of such events with the OSCE and the UN shows that very often unarmed observers are more protected than with personal weapons,” Lavrov said.

        “We are ready for such a compromise, it’s up to the rest of our partners. I have already said that we would be ready to agree to supply these additional observers with personal weapons, but this causes rejection of very many OSCE members, ”he explained.
        Classics of the MFA genre in the MFA language laughing -Come here, but stay still. The surprise, or ping pong, who likes what game, continues. Do you want peacekeepers? It will be like South Ossetia.
        “We said we would be ready, if it helped the cause, to agree that by the OSCE decision this additional group of observers who would control the demarcation line in heavy weapons stockpiling sites had the right to carry personal weapons,” said the Russian Foreign Minister.
        And the border with Russia is SHISH and do not even dream about it.
      4. +1
        5 June 2016 11: 04
        Quote: siberalt
        And LDNR was asked if they want strangers with guns at home? Or do they not have their own police?



        Pushilin has already answered this - the police are fully capable of ensuring both their functions and the safety of OSCE observers ...
      5. -2
        5 June 2016 13: 00
        Quote: siberalt
        Moscow agreed

        Lavrov, into the furnace with his "compromise". Someone doubts who the "personal weapons" of the "observers" of the OSCE will be directed at?
        The next "compromise" is the security of the elections by the OSCE, then the borders of Russia-Ruins, the fight against "separatist gangs" for which more and more observers ...
        Rights Shooters-betray LDNR.
        1. 0
          5 June 2016 15: 10
          Quote: Aleksander
          Lavrov, into the furnace with his "compromise".

          That's right, give Kerry! wassat
          Quote: Aleksander
          Someone doubts who the "personal weapons" of the "observers" of the OSCE will be directed at?

          Of course in the armored personnel carrier of the DPR army! They hole them all the wheels. soldier
          Quote: Aleksander
          The next "compromise" is the security of the elections by the OSCE, then the borders of Russia-Ruins, the fight against "separatist gangs" for which more and more observers ...

          Read the OSCE documents, what they are allowed and what is not! belay
          Quote: Aleksander
          Rights Shooters-betray LDNR.

          Here is Strelkova in the furnace !!! am
        2. +2
          5 June 2016 15: 19
          Quote: Aleksander
          Rights Shooters-betray LDNR

          LDNR (in my memory) all "betray" and "betray" ... and still will not betray ...

          Doesn’t it seem to you ... somewhat strange?
        3. +1
          5 June 2016 15: 51
          Quote: Aleksander
          Rights Shooters-betray LDNR.

          And who recognized them? Abkhazia, South Ossetia and all.
      6. +1
        5 June 2016 15: 03
        Quote: siberalt
        Moscow agreed. And LDNR was asked if they want strangers with guns at home?

        And the gut is not thin to have an opinion different from Moscow? Once they tried to do their own thing, held elections, although Moscow asked to postpone. And you won a lot on this? LDNR is not an independent player. They still exist only thanks to Moscow. They will begin to lift their tail against Moscow, and this will end their story. LDNR can only ask one question - Well, what will be your positive answer?
    4. +8
      5 June 2016 10: 27
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Pistols against mortars? belay

      Yeah, surprised too. Our way from 02:10 to 02:50 delivered an artillery strike, every 5 minutes there was a salvo of five D-20 barrels, at the positions of the Armed Forces in the region of Avdeevka.

      Message from the militia with the callsign "Zodiac":
      “The Ukrainians were raging! There are shelling on duty in Zaitsevo, Kominternovo, Dokuchaevsk and of course the northern suburbs of Donetsk. All the same, last week we gave them a good response. Of course, ours are very glad that we were allowed to answer from above. politicians that no Minsk exists, but the unknown is frustrating.
      Ukrainians are counting losses after their rash actions. The UAV constantly hangs over the entire republic, especially over Donetsk and Gorlovka. There are still attempts to throw DRGs at us. I heard less shelling in the LPR than in our country, but there, too, Ukrainians use UAVs and DRGs a lot. "
      1. +1
        5 June 2016 10: 47
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Something Ukrainians raged!


        Hello, Sergey.
        Regarding this quote: it seems that the "Kuevskys" got the "go-ahead" from one of the "sponsors" to raise their ratings during the election blah-blah-blah. And I am afraid that the inglorious demise of the Minsk "chronicles" is somewhere nearby. So fire up the armored train, which is on the siding.
      2. +4
        5 June 2016 10: 48
        Sergey, really nothing can be done with this cloud of UAVs?
      3. +2
        5 June 2016 11: 10
        Quote: Sith Lord
        Ukrainians use UAVs and DRGs a lot."


        It seems to me that if the anti-sabotage fight and the fight against "eyes and ears" (UAV) were toughened, there would be a lot of benefit ...

        What is the reason for this anti-sabotage struggle during the civil war: everyone's faces are the same, conversational speech is also the same, uniforms and weapons are almost the same ...

        War ... means to shoot DRGs on the spot, after "evisceration" ...
    5. +8
      5 June 2016 10: 52
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Pistols

      No need for pistols, since OSCE observers never see anything, that means they are not in serious danger. To give them rubber batons and gas sprays for self-defense against hooligans. Yes
      1. +1
        5 June 2016 13: 14
        Yes, it's probably better that way. After all, provocative stuffing about "CIS observers are killing civilians" or something like that will begin immediately. The absence of personal weapons will secure the mission itself, Lavrov correctly warns.
    6. +2
      5 June 2016 12: 31
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Pistols against mortars?

      -------------------
      Well, yes, such moral support. What about mortars? A pistol even against small arms is nothing. A sniper will grind at them, and the observer will swing his Walter PPK.
    7. +3
      5 June 2016 13: 24
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Pistols against mortars?

      Well, why is it so tragic, just sometimes the same PM is a very non-replaceable thing in everyday life. I think that for this they are asking them. Since besides providing weapons, legal questions immediately arise, and how and when will they have the right to use them?
      1. +1
        5 June 2016 13: 56
        If they want beer, then give them all the Bundeswehr folding knives (there is an opener there). And OSCE pistols are not a toy.
        So they will fall under a crazy tank shot and will demand to transfer them to tanks and provide air cover. Let them dress up brighter, turn on the European Union march on the entire loudspeaker and calmly inspect themselves.
        P.S. and when I was young, I opened my teeth bully
    8. 0
      5 June 2016 14: 58
      Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
      Pistols against mortars?

      They will not fight. Do you have any idea about the "police mission"?
  2. +8
    5 June 2016 10: 10
    I don’t think that the OSCE, having received personal weapons, will finally begin to do their work to the extent that they should do ... the OSCE already draws people with disabilities in cartoons, often with a picture of a blind character. Not just ...
    1. +3
      5 June 2016 10: 30
      The OSCE is already doing its job. Result on face
  3. +4
    5 June 2016 10: 15
    we would be ready to agree to supply these additional observers with personal weapons
    I would not have entrusted them with a gas spray. One harm from these "Abwehr teams. It is very vain that the OBSE people are depicted on caricatures as stupid mole rats. They see, hear and know everything."
    1. cap
      +1
      5 June 2016 11: 25
      Quote: Thunderbolt
      we would be ready to agree to supply these additional observers with personal weapons
      I would not have entrusted them with a gas spray. One harm from these "Abwehr teams. It is very vain that the OBSE people are depicted on caricatures as stupid mole rats. They see, hear and know everything."


      Weapons cannot be handed out, they will cross-shoot moonshine and shoot each other. Moreover, they will drink it and dump them on saboteurs who spoke Russian.
  4. +1
    5 June 2016 10: 19
    Even Glocks will not help against heavy equipment. wassat well, if they feel so calm. Let them gawk. I would give them our GS-18, and the gun is good, and carry it easier.
    1. +3
      5 June 2016 10: 51
      I'm against. Let the Colts wear. In order not to lose, tie a pound weight. Bdlin, anyway, in some restaurant "or" they like the Colt, or someone will stick a pistol in the "oppa."
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  6. +3
    5 June 2016 10: 27
    The consistent position of the liberal leadership of the country does not surprise, but disappoint!
  7. +1
    5 June 2016 10: 28
    Let the goat into the garden ...
  8. +1
    5 June 2016 10: 34
    “We said we will be ready if this helps the cause.” That's it, kapets - now one OSCE army will appear yet .....
  9. +4
    5 June 2016 10: 35
    “We said that we will be ready, if this helps the matter, to agree that, by the decision of the OSCE, this additional group of observers who will control the demarcation line in the places of storage of heavy weapons have the right to carry personal weapons”

    A bad idea - it gives the banderlog another reason to shoot observers under the pretext of "self-defense". Pistols will not add to the effectiveness of the "blind men with binoculars". The only effective means for fulfilling the Minsk agreements is that the Americans must clamp the eggs of Poroshenko & Co. in the door slot and "tickle" with a bang. So far, the United States is encouraging the junta with the infusion of "greenery" and the voyages of its "hawks" to the former Ukraine. GDP practically has no influence on the Armed Forces of Ukraine (although it has repeatedly called for an end to shelling of the LPNR territories), so the ball is on the side of Kiev and its owners.
  10. 0
    5 June 2016 10: 41
    Weapons tend to shoot. Provocations are likely. If you give them pistols, then only with drilled trunks.
  11. +3
    5 June 2016 10: 48
    If this initiative comes from the personnel of the mission, I can understand, if the will is cabinet - no! So tomorrow they will say: "we need machine guns", the day after tomorrow - with grenade launchers, then anti-tank systems so that you can fight back, and then, for example, replace the UAV with drums and so there will be no end. Give out slingshots or fly swatters ...
  12. +4
    5 June 2016 10: 49
    The words of politics are needed in order to hide our intentions, therefore, what our people meant by these international pistol forces, it’s impossible to even imagine. There may be such a change taking into account the interests of the Americans in the Middle East, China in Africa, and Russia in Ukraine, that the brain will explode from this multi-way approach. I believe in the competence of our Foreign Ministry, Lavrov’s talent and Putin’s common sense.
  13. +3
    5 June 2016 10: 56
    Well, I don’t know about the “police mission” of the obserushnikov. ”Zakhar said,“ we’ll kill it as a waste ”(figuratively). "On the hiba" pack of armed monsters in our Republic? We establish order on our own, and our strength is measured.
  14. +3
    5 June 2016 11: 01
    So that is a very interesting topic for debate.
    It remains only to clarify the understanding of the meaning of the word "personal weapon" by the OSCE members, will not these observers arrive in a tank, and even protecting themselves will not take part in the database?
    From recent history, when the West divorced us as suckers with a no-fly zone over Libya, but it turned out that a no-fly zone means continuous bombing of the country.
  15. +1
    5 June 2016 11: 02
    OBSE to enter those areas where the APU shoot at civilians. And that would be present in the warehouses where the heavy equipment allocated is located.
  16. +2
    5 June 2016 11: 03
    "Moscow is ready to agree to arm some of the OSCE observers in Donbas" ...

    Um ... Mr. Lavrov at least left a loophole, saying that this step requires the consent of all parties ...

    And then I thought that no one asks DNR-LNR consent ...

    And on this occasion, Denis Pushilin spoke well ... There is no need to arm these traitors-accomplices-observers ... This will not only not increase their security, but, on the contrary, worsen it ... It’s one thing - an OSCE observer without weapons, and another with weapons intended for unknown purposes ... And on the territory of a foreign state ...
  17. +1
    5 June 2016 11: 08
    Deaf and blind people will not be allowed to have weapons.
  18. +2
    5 June 2016 11: 10
    Mngohodochka is coming .... And remember how it all began! Now Svidomo snapped on the nose with this "agreement" and they can not answer anything, like their beloved EU and the US ... I think everything goes to the official introduction of "polite" ....
  19. 0
    5 June 2016 11: 12
    Quote: "Moscow is ready to agree to granting the OSCE observers in the Donbass the right to have personal weapons for self-defense."
    This question is still under discussion by the Normandy Four and has not yet made a final decision! In general, it is not entirely clear why the OSCE representatives need weapons? It means to protect yourself and others! Maybe they need a weapon to fight off the artillery fire of the Armed Forces of Ukraine, so it won't help! And personal weapons (meaning pistols) are only from hooligans or "gop-stop", but they definitely won't help against machine guns!
  20. Tim
    +2
    5 June 2016 11: 17
    The OSCE with weapons, then peacekeepers under the auspices of the UN, then the phased transfer-transfer of the DPR and LPR of Ukropia.
  21. +2
    5 June 2016 11: 19
    Dear, the next smearing, like we’re doing something, there are few victims for you, so bring in observers for the OSCE, but you still need those you give authorization not to observe, but to pinpoint
  22. +2
    5 June 2016 11: 32
    Quote: ALEA IACTA EST
    Pistols

    With one cartridge - to shoot yourself and not smoke the sky.
  23. -1
    5 June 2016 11: 44
    What is Lavrov singing about? who threatens these goats, they puff in the center of Donetsk at the Park in hotel (former Kiev) and are coward when they really knock ours. Why should they frighten the whores-whores or Lavrov, or his curators, drank it.
  24. -2
    5 June 2016 12: 08
    Behind all the stuffing about the armed mission at the border there is one, but very burning desire of the Russian authorities - to quickly push LDNR back to Ukraine.

    In accordance with the current (and probably the only) KhPP, throw it back like a bag of potatoes, and then get into the usual position of waiting for the lifting of sanctions and accepting the number of handshake bosses so that the West writes off all pranks as a slight misunderstanding.
    Because they, our ruling oligarchs and those oligarchs are kindred people, socially close, there are no fundamentally insurmountable contradictions between them, especially since the big American boss is dissatisfied, and for a long time ...

    Hence the vile chain of rumors and denials, gradually accustoming the people to get used to betrayal, without, however, calling this surrender as a betrayal, namely:

    a) a statement by Ukraine that Russia agreed to an armed mission in the Donbass,
    b) an immediate refutation of Peskov, but did not agree with the words "so far"
    c) Ukraine’s publication of four night talks, where Russia was not opposed to an armed mission,
    d) Lavrov’s confused explanations that this, about the armament of observers, is not so understood and taken out of context
    e) then in an interview with Komsomolka, Lavrov’s words that the recognition of a referendum in LDNR would be counterproductive (for which it is counterproductive - only for passing LDNR to Kiev!)
    e) and now Lavrov already agrees on pistols for the OSCE, like it’s necessary to shoot back
    g) assault rifles with machine guns and infantry fighting vehicles will go for the pistols, and then there tanks and Grads so that innocent OSCE observers will not suffer
    h) and there it remains only to give the Russian border with LDNR, first to the armed groups of the OSCE, and then to the proud U.K.R.A.M. and forget about Donbass as a nightmare!

    I recall a joke, as a witness in court says that he saw Petka and Masha in the ravine engaged in e ......
    To which the judge called for order, and said that it was right to say that Petka and Masha met.
    The witness agreed, and went on to say that yes, at first Petka and Masha met, but when he came closer, he saw that they hadn’t been married, namely .....

    And here a similar situation, at first, from afar and from the side it seemed like they were fulfilling the Minsk agreements, but if you come closer - no, they did not fulfill the Minsk agreements, but still betrayed the Donbass.
  25. +2
    5 June 2016 12: 44
    Well, why do they need a weapon, who attacks them. All the same, they will not be beaten off from banderlogs, but in LDNR people seem to be adequate, well, not without freaks, of course, but all the same.
  26. 0
    5 June 2016 13: 31
    Quote: Ros 56
    Well, why do they need a weapon, who attacks them. All the same, they will not be beaten off from banderlogs, but in LDNR people seem to be adequate, well, not without freaks, of course, but all the same.

    Well, let's say both in Yugoslavia and then in Serbia ..! The same template ... Now, if our peacekeepers enter there another matter ..!
    If the OSCE, etc .... getting ready for an eternal war .... (whatever the West wants) Watering is necessary and all things ... (Galicia .. there they have a cache, etc.)
  27. 0
    5 June 2016 15: 54
    I said and will say it again: Russia has the second largest contingent in the OSCE.
  28. +2
    5 June 2016 18: 28
    Quote: Aleksander
    Quote: siberalt
    Moscow agreed

    Lavrov, into the furnace with his "compromise". Someone doubts who the "personal weapons" of the "observers" of the OSCE will be directed at?

    Do not hysteria, it will not be directed at anyone. Poroshenko is trying to push the decision on “personal weapons”, but it is clearly said publicly: many OSCE members are against it. This is, firstly, and secondly, only the groups that will monitor the warehouses with heavy weapons, and even this is in question.

    The next "compromise" is the security of the elections by the OSCE, then the borders of Russia-Ruins, the fight against "separatist gangs" for which more and more observers ...
    Rights Shooters-betray LDNR.

    Wipe off the monitor from saliva, it is already splattered, and there is no need to gorlopanit. Russia will not allow anyone to its border, no armed units in the territories of the LPR / DPR, either. An exception may be, in extreme cases, the contingent of peacekeepers on the demarcation line, if DNR and LC on this themselves will agree. And for some reason I suspect they will not do this.

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