The history of the Israeli tank "Magah-3" in Kubinka

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At the end of May 2016, information was published in a number of Russian media that Russian President Vladimir Putin signed a decree on returning to Israel tankcaptured by the Syrian forces during the First Lebanon War, and on June 4 on the "Military Review" came out an article that caused a lot of controversy: Steel grave: why the Israeli tank from Kubinka will go home. Unfortunately, this article contains a number of technical inaccuracies, and story the capture of the Israeli tank by the Syrians is superficially illuminated.



In this publication, relying on available sources of information, an attempt is made to objectively understand what an Israeli tank is and to illuminate the history of its appearance in the Tank Museum in Kubinka (Moscow Region). Apparently, we are talking about the return of the Magah-3 tank to Israel - a seriously modernized and adapted to the local specifics of the American M48. Deliveries of M48 tanks to Tel Aviv began in the early 60s, since at that moment the Americans formally supported weapons embargo against Israel, had to go to tricks. Tanks were not transmitted directly from the United States, but from the tank fleet of the Bundeswehr. By the beginning of the Six Day War, the IDF (Israel Defense Forces) had about 250 M48 tanks of various modifications. In battle, Israeli tanks had to deal with the Egyptian T-34-85, IS-3M and Jordanian M48. Thanks to high professional skills, courage and heroism, Israeli tankers often at the cost of serious losses managed to come out victorious in battles more often. So, only Jordan left about 100 of its M48s on the battlefield, a significant part of these machines was subsequently restored and entered service with the IDF.

The history of the Israeli tank "Magah-3" in Kubinka


Following the results of the fighting, in order to increase the combat and operational characteristics, a decision was made to upgrade M48. The upgraded tank received the name "Magah" (Heb: מגח, eng. Magach), most often "Magah" is translated as - "a battering ram." First of all, tanks of early modifications were subjected to modernization, it was about increasing firepower, increasing the power reserve, mobility and technical reliability. M48A1, modernized in Israel, received the designation “Magi-1”, M48A2C - “Magi-2”, the most radical and the largest in number of converted machines was “Magi-3”. Apparently, such a tank is still in Kubinka.



The American 90-mm gun was replaced by the British 105-mm L7, the bulky commander's turret became a low-profile Israeli production. The gasoline engine was replaced by a diesel - Continental AVDS-1790-2A with a capacity of 750 l. with. The previous General Motors CD-850-4A transmission was replaced with a new Allison CD-850-6. Non-flammable liquid was used in the hydraulic system. The upgraded tank received new sights and more advanced Israeli-made radio stations. To combat the enemy’s infantry, additional Belgian-made machine guns were installed on the turret.


Tank "Magah-3"


By the beginning of the Doomsday War, there were 445 tanks “Magi-3” in six IDF brigades of the IDF. Israeli tank losses during this war were very significant. During the week of fighting Israel lost 610 tanks, more than half of them were modernized M48, Egyptians lost 240 tanks, mainly T-55.


According to Israeli data, Egypt captured about 200 tanks, some of which were to be restored. With the increased power of 48-mm guns in comparison with the base M105, the Magah-3 armor could not withstand the guns of the Soviet SAU SU-100, TY-3М, T-54, T-55 and T-62 tanks.


Israeli tanks downed at Sinai


Israeli tank crews were plagued by anti-tank infantry vehicles: RPG-7 and Malyutka ATGM. Arabs practiced anti-ambush and fire bags. For example, the Israeli 401 Brigade, having been ambushed by the 18 of the Egyptian Infantry Division, lost the 81 tank from 104. Israeli tank crews called the ATGM operators “tourists” because of the suitcase (container) to carry and launch the ATGM.


ATGM "Baby"


In general, the tanks "Magah-3" for security and firepower were equivalent to the Soviet T-55. The outcome of the battle in dueling situations, as a rule, was determined by the positional advantage, the level of crew training and the moral and psychological qualities of the tank crews.

According to the results of the use of the “Magi” tanks in the Doomsday War, a number of improvements were introduced. The most notable innovation, which was supposed to reduce the vulnerability of Israeli tanks to cumulative weapons (ATGM and anti-tank grenades) was the reactive armor (dynamic protection) of the ERA BLAZER.

Israel, having experience of large-scale battles using tanks and suffering heavy losses in the 1973 war of the year, was the first to equip its combat vehicles with dynamic protection (DZ), although research in this area in the 50-70s was conducted in the USSR, the USA and the FRG. But in the countries that are "trendsetters" in the field of tank building, they decided to do all kinds of screens and combined multi-layered armor from materials of different densities.


Elements of the Israeli DZ


The official priority in the field of remote sensing, protected by patents, belongs to the United States. In 1967, the Americans were the first to file an application for the design of dynamic protection. Element DZ of the first generation consisted of two metal plates and a thin layer of explosive between them. Containers DZ "Blazer" hung on top of the main armor of the tank. When a cumulative munition hit, the explosive in the container detonated, and the outer plate under the effect of the explosion products flew at an angle towards the cumulative jet. Thus, the cumulative jet was destroyed, and the main armor of the tank did not penetrate. After the additional reactive armor was installed, the weight of the vehicle increased by 800-1000 kg, but the vulnerability from light infantry anti-tank weapons became significantly less.

6 June 1982 of the year Israel intervened in the civil war, which had already been raging in neighboring Lebanon for a long time. The operation of the Israeli armed forces received the name "Peace for Galilee." In it, in addition to other armored vehicles, tanks were used "Magah", equipped with dynamic protection. By the time the Magah-3, in addition to the 105-mm guns, were armed with three machine guns of the caliber 7,62-mm and 52 or 60-mm auxiliary mortars. It should be said that the placement of mortars on the towers of tanks was Israeli "know-how." With the help of mortars, it was possible to launch lighting flares and fight the manpower behind the folds of the terrain.

The ground operation was attended by about 90 thousand Israeli soldiers, 1240 tanks and 1520 armored personnel carriers, which many times exceeded the number of Syrian and Palestinian forces in Lebanon. The main goal of the Israeli army in the course of this company was the destruction of the bases of the PLO and the containment of the influence of Syria. After the IDF units took Beirut, the PLO armed forces left the country and moved to Tunisia. Despite some success, Israel in that war suffered significant losses by the standards of this small country and was unable to achieve all its goals. After the invasion of Lebanon, Israel’s international reputation has deteriorated. This was mainly caused by casualties among the peaceful Lebanese population. The Syrian armed forces never left Lebanon, and the PLO’s place was taken by the Hezbollah organization, created with the support of Iran.

The fighting in Lebanon in 1982 was carried out on a large scale, with large forces of tanks, artillery and aviation. Despite the fact that in Israel itself the operation “Peace for Galilee” was not considered a war, in terms of its scale, it certainly was. According to Israeli data, during the Israeli invasion of Lebanon, the loss of the IDF killed 654 people. In various sources, the loss of PLO and Syrian troops killed is estimated at 8-10 thousand people, several thousand more civilians died from artillery shelling and bombing. The losses included several Israeli tankers who went missing at night from June 10 to 11, 1982. Then the Magakh-3 tanks of the 362nd tank battalion of the 734th IDF tank brigade, moving towards the intersection, south of the Sultan-Yaakub settlement, ran into superior Syrian forces due to ineffective reconnaissance and command misses. It is worthwhile to dwell in more detail on what the 734th tank brigade was and why it suffered losses.

The final mobilization of the 734 Tank Brigade, staffed by reservists, was completed only on June 8, when the IDF units had already entered Lebanon. In large part of the team was staffed by students of religious schools - "contractual yeshiv." According to the agreement concluded between the yeshiva and the army, the army sends students to the yeshiva, who for three years combine studying Torah with military training, and after graduating from the institution serve in combat units for a year and four months. Usually, graduates of military yeshivas serve in separate units, where the daily routine takes into account the hours of prayer.


Israeli operations in the east


At the beginning of the operation, the 734 Tank Brigade was in reserve in case of the start of large-scale military operations against Syria. It was planned that the brigade would attack the main positions of the Syrians in the area of ​​the Beirut-Damascus highway. In the afternoon of June 9, one of the battalions of the brigade began to advance in this direction, but was attacked by Syrian anti-tank Gazelle helicopters. At night, the position of the battalion was hit by the Grad MLRS. Other brigade battalions were still in reserve. On June 10, the brigade in the vanguard of the advancing forces of the 880 Division began to advance north of the village of Kefar-Meshkhi. In the evening of June 10, the commander of the 362 th battalion, Ira Efron, was ordered to push his tanks northward and set up barriers south of Sultan Yaakub. In addition to the Magah-3 tanks, there were several M133 armored personnel carriers in the convoy, and mortar shells, signalmen, infantry, and reconnaissance personnel from the brigade reconnaissance company moved into them.


Israeli tanks 734-th tank brigade nominated for Sultan Yakub


Because of the rush and uncoordinated actions of the command, no one warned that another Israeli battalion had gone to the east (that is, to the right of them). As a result, the tankers of the two Israeli battalions took each other for the enemy and opened fire. This led to the loss of 2 tanks, five tankers were killed and two were injured. At this point, the commander of the 734 Tank Brigade, Michael Shahar, in the conditions of a lack of intelligence information, decides to send the 362 th battalion to monitor positions in the 3 km south of the turn to Ayta al-Fuhar.

Having received a new order, the commander of the 362 Battalion, Ira Efron, continued to move northwards, being firmly convinced that there was no enemy in this area. In fact, the road along which Israeli tanks and motorized infantry were moving was controlled by the vanguard of the 3 Syrian division.

When advancing to a given area, Ira Efron around 01: 30 local time made a grave mistake, he slipped the desired point and went deep into the territory occupied by the Syrians. The disoriented commander of the 362 Battalion missed the turn he needed on Kamed El-Luz and headed for the turn on Ayta El-Fuhar. During the passage of the fork, the Israelis came under fire ATGM "Baby" and RPG-7. Apparently, the hit got a few head tanks, but due to the presence on them DZ "Blazer" serious damage was avoided.

Not realizing that he is already at the entrance to Sultan Yakub and having taken what happened as a usual ambush, Ira Efron decides to slip it. He reports on radio about the “ambush” to the brigade commander and orders the battalion to advance at maximum speed. The first two companies skip the fork and freely pass 1,5 − 2 km. The third company and part of the infantry, having fallen under heavy shelling and having lost one tank, occupy the defenses in the ruins of an abandoned village. Soon, two Israeli companies, plunging into the Syrian defense, came under fire from tank guns and, having also lost one tank, were forced to stop at the foot of the village of Sultan Ya'akub. Here for the Israelis began a real hell.

Here is what Avi Rat, one of the tank crew survivors in this battle, recalls:
After moving a few kilometers, we found ourselves surrounded by Syrians from all sides. It was already quite late at night, and then the most difficult hours of my life began. Suddenly at the same time dozens of missiles fired at us from various distances struck us. I saw a Syrian commando lying 20 meters from the road and igniting our 200 tank meters in front of me. Hellfire was fired at us from all sides. We could not immediately understand where they were shooting from. We found ourselves in a valley with elevations to the left and right and the village in front of us. At first, the shooting was carried out only from the village and on the right, but then we found fire on the left and behind. We did not notice each other (it was 01: 30 nights) and did not understand what was happening. After only a few minutes of confusion, we began to recover. We hear shouts on the radio: “Where are you? ..., and where are you? Signaling me a flashlight ... "- complete chaos.



Says Harel Ben-Ari, motorized infantry gunner:
Suddenly, shells start to explode around, and I notice behind us our tanks, which have been defeated. We must continue to move. I hear orders on the radio and try to understand them. I still do not know what death looks like. We continue to advance, firing at the sources of fire, we go around the wrecked enemy tanks. I notice near our armored troop-carrier three running, but not shooting, Syrian soldiers. I do not shoot at them - I still do not know how to shoot people from such a short distance. A few minutes later the tank behind us gets defeated and lights up, illuminating everything around. I notice more Syrians lying in a ditch near the road. Now I shoot without a doubt. It is necessary to think quickly and efficiently, pushing feelings into the background. In those seconds, something changed in me - I'm not the same person.



Israeli tankers and infantry managed to repel the first onslaught of the Syrians and even destroy several BMP-1. Combat Ira Efron did not understand that his battalion was in the depths of the Syrian defense, and still took what was happening for an ordinary ambush. However, it soon became clear that this was not an ambush, it took another half hour, and the fire only intensified, and losses grew. The attempt to unite with the forces of the third company failed and the battle formations of the Israelis mixed up. Under these circumstances, Ira Efron ordered the tank commanders to organize themselves into groups based on location (the tanks were mixed up and it was not possible to act in the initial platoon and company composition) and take all-round defense to prevent Syrian infantrymen armed with RPG-7 from a distance of an aimed shot. Due to the fact that Ira Efron incorrectly determined his location, the brigade command misjudged the incident. Kombrig Michael Shahar was firmly convinced that the battalion could not encounter major Syrian forces, and ordered Ira Efron to "Pull yourself together and stop the tantrum." At that time, the 362 Battalion lost at least three tanks.

Finally heeding the insistent requests of the battalion commander, Michael Shahar agreed to send him help. He ordered the commander of the neighboring battalion 363 to take one company with him and go to Ira Efron to “bring him to a normal state”. Not realizing the seriousness of the situation, the battalion commander of the 363 th battalion with a detachment consisting of a tank company and five M113 armored personnel carriers, was ambushed. The detachment was opened heavy fire, and several tanks were hit. As a result, the forces of the 363 Battalion, who had advanced to the aid of Ira Efron, themselves fell into a difficult situation and were fragmented. Part of the tanks found shelter in the ruins of the village, where surviving infantrymen and tanks of the third company of the 362 battalion were already hiding. They had to repel the attacks of the Syrians, who did not abandon attempts to destroy Israeli tanks and armored personnel carriers from the RPN-7, wedged in their defense.

After the help sent by the 362 battalion itself was in a difficult position, the brigade commander Michael Shahar realized the seriousness of what was happening and reported to the division. The division commander, Lev Giora, immediately subordinated the battalion directly to the division and personally dealt with the problem. But at that moment the main forces of the 880 division were in the battle with the 3 Syrian division. With the dawn, it finally became clear that the 362 battalion was surrounded by large Syrian forces, and with every minute the chances of escaping from the environment decreased. Due to the fact that the shells and cartridges ended, the battalion under the command of Ira Efron could simply not have time to wait for help. In the current situation, Deputy Commander Michael Shahar and the Combat Ira Efron, after consulting, decided to break through on their own. At this point, the Syrian troops launched another attack. During the battle, the tank squad Zohar Lifshits gets a direct hit into the tower. At the same time, Zohar Lifshits died, and gunner Yehuda Katz was seriously wounded. The charger left the tank and was picked up by another tank. But the tank itself remained on the move and did not catch fire. When other fighters from the company tried to help the wounded gunner, the unforeseen happened - the lost driver Yehuda Kaplan led the tank and rushed south to the exit from the valley. Seeing on his way another shot down Israeli tank - he came to himself and left the damaged car, joining the tankers hiding near the road. The bodies of the two remaining fighters in the tank were lost (the body of Lifshits was returned by the Syrians, and Katz is still considered missing). By this time, the Israeli battalion had already lost 5 tanks.

After the understanding came to the command of the 880 division that the position of the soldiers of the 362 and 363 battalions in the Sultan-Yaakub area was hopeless, they received artillery support. Having fallen under massive artillery fire, Syrian tanks and infantry fighting vehicles were forced to leave their positions. At the same time, units of the 880 division began to break through to help the blocked Israeli battalions, but they met on their way the barriers of the Syrian "commandos" with light anti-tank weapons. After the loss of two tanks and three armored personnel carriers, the command ordered Ira Efron to break through independently under the cover of artillery fire. To provide artillery support in the area was concentrated around 100 guns caliber 105-155-mm. They placed a continuous curtain of fire between the Syrian forces and the Israelis who were leaving the encirclement.

Says Avi Rath:
We received orders to pack up on the road and drive south. This was a mad ride, I pulled the throttle to the end. Just to get out of here, and I'm trying to squeeze the last drop of speed out of the tank. So all the tanks - click and fly. They shoot at us and we shoot everything that remains. This was a short trip - just 3 − 4 km, but it seemed to us that there was no end to the road.



Despite powerful artillery support and maximum speed, several vehicles were hit and two more Israeli tanks were lost. In 09: 15, the last Israeli tank left the valley, and in 11: 00, all the surviving brigade equipment went into the division’s location outside the range of the Syrian anti-tank weapons.

According to official Israeli data, the IDF in the battle for Sultan Jaakub lost killed: 5 fighters of the 362 battalion, 3 fighter of the 363 battalion and 10 fighters from the 880 division. The 7 battalion 362 tanks, the 1 363 tank battalion and the 2 880 tank from the 4 division, the Magah-3 XNUMX tank were lost by the Syrians. Three Israeli soldiers: Zechariah Bomel, Yehuda Katz and Zvi Feldman were missing. The losses of the Syrian army are unknown. Capturing four Israeli tanks, capturing and missing several Israeli soldiers in the Sultan Jaakub area was one of the saddest events for Israel in the First Lebanon War. The corps commander, General Avigdor Ben Gal, took full responsibility for the failure.

After the end of hostilities in November 1983, Israel exchanged 4700 captured militants for six Israeli soldiers. In June, 1984, in exchange for three captured Israeli soldiers, three Israeli citizens and 5, the bodies of soldiers Israel handed over to Syria 291 a Syrian soldier, 74 the bodies of Syrian soldiers and 13 to Syrian citizens. In May 1985, Israel released 1150 to Palestinian militants in exchange for three Israeli soldiers who were captured by Ahmad Dazhabil’s group. One of the soldiers was captured during the battle at the cross of Sultan Yakub.



It is noted that due to reactive armor, the Blazer was able to avoid much more serious losses. Many Israeli tanks that participated in this battle received several hits of Malyutka and RPG-7 missiles. Subsequently, Syrian-captured Israeli Magah-3 tanks with mounted DZ were displayed in Damascus, and one vehicle was transferred to the USSR.



In the Soviet Union, the captured tank, and in particular the containers of dynamic protection, were extensively studied. In the "Magah" was not spent all the ammunition and from it at the site conducted shelling T-72. As a result, the forehead of the T-72 case was decided to be urgently reinforced with additional armor plates. It is believed that it was after a thorough study of the Israeli DZ similar protection appeared on Soviet tanks. For Soviet specialists, mounted dynamic protection against cumulative ammunition was not something new. Work on this topic was carried out from the end of 50-x and natural samples of the Soviet DZ were created, which successfully passed the tests. But the top commanders of the Soviet armored forces that went through the war on the T-34, strongly opposed "hanging on the armor of explosives." Only after reading the reports of the Soviet advisers in Syria and the tank “Magah-3” their inertia was broken, and in 1985, the complex adopted the Soviet army. In terms of its characteristics, DZ "Kontakt-1" in many respects surpassed the "Blazer". Unlike the Israeli “reactive armor” 20 standard sizes, the 4 – 20 dynamic protection unit is unified for all the main tanks that existed at that time. Sovetskaya DZ "Kontakt-1" was lighter and had a significantly smaller area of ​​weakened zones.



During Soviet times, the Israeli "Magah-3" was in the "closed", inaccessible to the general public of the tank collection in Kubinka. After the museum opened its doors to everyone in 1996, and organized excursions began to be led there, it was reported that Israeli soldiers were allegedly in the Israeli tank received from Syria. As it turned out later, this was local folklore, with which, in all seriousness, jokes were introduced to museum visitors. But the relatives of the Israeli soldiers who went missing in 1982, took it very seriously and began demanding that the IDF command and the Israeli leadership return the tank, which is the "grave". According to a statement released by the Israeli Prime Minister’s press service, Benjamin Netanyahu raised this issue during a meeting with the Russian president in Moscow. Israel received official notification from the Russian side that the request was granted and the tank would be returned.

The press service of the Israeli prime minister said that at the moment, in order to agree on a return procedure and technical details, an IDF delegation is in Moscow. Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and the head of the IDF General Staff Lieutenant-General Gadi Aysenkot, citing the request for the return of an Israeli tank, expressed the opinion that "this combat vehicle has historical value, including for relatives of servicemen who went missing in that battle." The fate of three Israeli soldiers who went missing on the night of 10 on 11 on June 1982 of the year: Zachariah Baumel, Yehuda Katz and Zvi Feldman is still unknown. It is noteworthy that for information about each of them, Israel offers a cash premium of $ 10 million dollars. The relatives of the missing servicemen were officially notified of the return of the captured tank.

The fighting vehicle transmitted by the Syrians at the beginning of the 80's for a long time was one of the most interesting museum exhibits in Kubinka near Moscow. The value of the Israeli tank "Magah-3" consists both in its combat biography and in the fact that there are no other machines with dynamic protection "Blazer" in the museum collection in Kubinka. It is clear that Vladimir Putin took this step, wanting to demonstrate the friendliness and openness of Russia. It remains to hope that the leadership of the state of Israel will adequately assess the gesture of goodwill and will find an opportunity to compensate for the gap that has formed in the exhibition. It seems that in Kubinka the Israeli main battle tank “Merkava” would have looked very well.

The author is grateful to Oleg Sokolov for his help in preparing the publication.


Based on:
www.waronline.org/IDF/Articles/sultan-yakub.htm
http://www.newsru.co.il/israel/29may2016/tank_710.html
http://riafan.ru/525967-stalnaya-mogila-pochemu-izrailskii-tank-iz-kubinki-otpravitsya-na-rodinu
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  1. -7
    7 June 2016 06: 56
    Maybe I don’t even understand, but why is he (the tank) of the IDF delegation? It is naive to believe that they have no equipment left since those times that fought! This whole "movement" is very suspicious in itself .. I think that there is a second bottom, so to speak, for which the IDF delegation is in Moscow, but we are not told about it .. ..
    1. +21
      7 June 2016 07: 20
      A small stylistic amendment: the capital of Israel is Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv. Accordingly, not "Tel Aviv decided", but "Jerusalem decided".
      PS Oleg Sokolov did not overlook)))

      Regarding the transfer of the Merkava to Kubinka, I am all 4 paws for. "Ones" have already been removed from service and there is no reason not to present Kubinka with an active "one"
      1. 0
        7 June 2016 07: 25
        He could see everything. UN resolution 478.
        1. +6
          7 June 2016 07: 34
          UN Security Council decisions are advisory only
          Article 36 of this chapter, paragraph 1, defines the terms of reference of the Security Council for action under this article:

          “The Security Council is authorized at any stage of the dispute, having the character specified in Article 33, or a situation of a similar nature, to recommend a proper procedure or methods of settlement.”
          1. +3
            7 June 2016 07: 37
            So nobody argues. But mostly they try to follow the recommendations.

            As far as I know, the USSR acted in this case.

            Personally, I have nothing against Israel.
        2. +2
          7 June 2016 07: 52
          The resolution of the UN General Assembly is not binding. But you never know what they will vote for. For example: Resolution of the UN General Assembly A / RES / 68/262 on the territorial integrity of Ukraine. So the resolution of the UN General Assembly is not an argument.
          1. +5
            7 June 2016 10: 27
            I apologize for interrupting ... But the phrase struck me more - Israel exchanged 4700 captured militants for six Israeli soldiers. How is such an exchange regarded? I am somewhat discouraged ...
            And I also wanted to know if it is true that being held captive by an Israeli soldier can say anything, including even secret information known to him, and he won’t have anything for it, doesn’t threaten any tribunal ..?
            1. +19
              7 June 2016 10: 33
              Quote: Oorfene Deuce
              Israel traded 4700 captured militants for six Israeli soldiers. How is such an exchange regarded?

              6 soldiers were released from captivity. This is a big luck.

              Quote: Oorfene Deuce
              is it true that being held captive by an Israeli soldier can say anything, including even he knows secret information, and he won’t have anything for it, no tribunal is threatened.

              True. (Although officially you can only tell your personal number, full name, rank and year of birth.) Because everyone knows that nobody is able to remain silent during interrogations "like a partisan" today (guess why) and therefore a priori it is believed that a captured soldier will tell everything that knows (and doesn't know). By the way, each IDF fighter has with him a "book of a prisoner" where his personal data and vaccinations received by him are indicated.

              1. -1
                7 June 2016 13: 19
                I would say overpower.
              2. +6
                7 June 2016 18: 47
                impressed by the anxious attitude of Israel towards its citizens and soldiers. This is a matter of respect. I think the rest should learn this point from the Israelis. I enjoyed the article. Informative. I was struck that Israel had unpleasant moments. Usually, Israeli comrades violently defend the superiority and impeccability of their military forces.
              3. +3
                7 June 2016 18: 55
                Quote: professor
                Because everyone knows that today no one is able to remain silent during interrogations "like a partisan" (guess why)

                Thermorectal cryptanalysis?
                lol
            2. +8
              7 June 2016 15: 48
              I had a chance to talk with an officer of the IDF. He told me an interesting phrase. LIFE OF A MILITARY SERVER IS IMPORTANT THALMOUD. And it was said in an EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS COUNTRY and says a lot.
              1. 0
                12 June 2016 23: 18
                Rel
                Quote: Turkestan
                I had a chance to talk with an officer of the IDF. He told me an interesting phrase. LIFE OF A MILITARY SERVER IS IMPORTANT THALMOUD. And it was said in an EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS COUNTRY and says a lot.

                Religious country of Israel with parades of buggers and transvestites?
            3. +6
              7 June 2016 17: 50
              Quote: Oorfene Deuce
              Israel traded 4700 captured militants for six Israeli soldiers. How is such an exchange regarded?

              It is regarded in accordance with the rules of arithmetic.
              4700: 6 783.3333333333333 =
              Those. One Jew costs almost 800 Arabs. True, since then, prices have risen. One (1) Jew, Gilad Shalit, was exchanged for 1027 convicted of terrorism. So, at current rates, one Jew is valued as 1027 Arabs.
      2. +6
        7 June 2016 07: 52
        Quote: carpag
        A small stylistic amendment: the capital of Israel is Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv. Accordingly, not "Tel Aviv decided", but "Jerusalem decided".

        It seems like exactly how the Ministry of Defense is located in Tel Aviv, as well as the General Staff. Or not?
        1. +2
          7 June 2016 07: 54
          If I am not mistaken, almost all foreign embassies are located there.
        2. +1
          7 June 2016 08: 00
          Parliament, almost all the ministries, the residence of the Prime Minister and the President are in Jerusalem
          1. +1
            8 June 2016 21: 22
            Hey! "Xpert"! Especially for dropouts, a quick reference:
            The ministry is headed by the Minister of Defense, whose office is located in the area of ​​Ha-Kirya, Tel Aviv.

            Another link:
            defense Department
            Tel Aviv, a-Kiriya, st. Kaplan 37 ..................... 03-6975000 / 1
            www.mod.gov.il
            The Ministry of Defense (Misrad HaBitahon) is responsible for national security. It manages the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and all its units, provides
            all citizens of the country with personal protective equipment
            http://www.moia.gov.il/Publications/where_ru.pdf

            Something like this ... request
        3. +1
          7 June 2016 15: 51
          Mine Defense is located in Tel Aviv
        4. +1
          8 June 2016 21: 14
          I have already made some clarifications on this. But tovarisch, like, from a country overshadowed by the Star of David, well, like, "local ikspert" ... By this logic, any Moscow janitor is also "ikspert" in terms of the political structure of the Russian state in all periods of its existence since the times of the Antes and Slovenes. ..
      3. +5
        7 June 2016 08: 32
        Quote: carpag
        PS Oleg Sokolov did not overlook)))

        I didn’t look. feel
        1. +6
          7 June 2016 09: 22
          Quote: professor
          I didn’t look.

          No one is perfect, and even you lol At least about G. Yashkin did not get into the publication ...
          1. +2
            7 June 2016 09: 38
            Quote: Bongo
            At least about G. Yashkin did not get into the publication ...

            There I recovered in time. laughing
      4. +1
        7 June 2016 09: 37
        In Kubinka there is one Merkava 1 1982, but in the storeroom, after testing at the test site.
        1. +2
          7 June 2016 09: 40
          Quote: pigkiller
          In Kubinka there is one Merkava 1 1982, but in the storeroom, after testing at the test site.

          Can the facts to confirm it?
          1. +1
            7 June 2016 09: 52
            I can’t documentally. I heard from a tank officer who participated in the tests of Merkava 1 for armor penetration in Kubinka in the 80s. The tank was delivered to the USSR after the 1982 war.
            1. +3
              7 June 2016 09: 57
              Quote: pigkiller
              I can’t documentally.

              Then is it worth writing about it? No.
              Quote: pigkiller
              I heard from a tank officer who participated in the 1 Merkava’s armor penetration tests in the 80’s. The tank was delivered to the USSR after the war of 1982.
              Most likely it was about the "Magah-3" tank, which is mentioned in this publication. In general, the OBS news agency is not the most reliable source of information.
              1. +1
                7 June 2016 10: 10
                All in good time.
                "There is nothing secret that would not become clear, nor secret, that would not become known and would not be revealed."
        2. 0
          7 June 2016 09: 44
          Quote: pigkiller
          In Kubinka there is one Merkava 1 1982, but in the storeroom, after testing at the test site.

          And how did he get there? wink


          Quote: pigkiller
          B. Netanyahu specific man

          Balabol is specific. Knows how to be envied. The truth sometimes speaks.
          1. +3
            7 June 2016 09: 50
            Quote: professor
            And how did he get there?

            Abrams, Challenger, Leopard-2 and Leclerc are also kept in the storerooms in Kubinka ... lol
            1. +1
              7 June 2016 09: 53
              And also BMP "Bradley".
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            3. +2
              7 June 2016 13: 06
              If NATO will be so greyhound, then these tanks will be there. God forbid, of course, war.
          2. +3
            7 June 2016 13: 52
            Quote: professor
            Balabol is specific. Knows how to be envied. The truth sometimes speaks.

            +100500 Yes
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      7. +4
        7 June 2016 10: 10
        Quote: carpag
        Regarding the transfer of the Merkava to Kubinka, I am all 4 paws for. "Ones" have already been removed from service and there is no reason not to present Kubinka with a "one"

        Israel will give the museum in the Moscow region a tank in exchange for a similar model from its exposition, which Russia agreed to return. This was reported by the spokesman for the head of the Israeli government.
        Israeli tank "Magah" was captured in 1982 by Syrian troops in battle at the southern Lebanese town of Sultan-Yaakub and transported to the USSR, where, after studying by experts, it became an exhibit of the Central Museum of armored weapons and equipment in Kubinka.

        At the end of May, Russia agreed to Israel’s request to return the tank to its homeland.

        «We’ll give the exact same tank to Russia so that it will be exhibited at the museum, ”RIA Novosti quoted the spokeswoman as saying.
      8. +1
        7 June 2016 11: 08
        Quote: carpag
        A small stylistic amendment: the capital of Israel is Jerusalem, not Tel Aviv. Accordingly, not "Tel Aviv decided", but "Jerusalem decided".
        PS Oleg Sokolov did not overlook)))
        Regarding the transfer of the Merkava to Kubinka, I am all 4 paws for. "Ones" have already been removed from service and there is no reason not to present Kubinka with an active "one"

        Give an analog.
        Israel will hand over a tank to a museum near the Moscow region to replace a similar model in its exposition, which Russia agreed to return, a spokeswoman for the head of the Israeli government said.
        “We will hand over exactly the same tank to Russia so that it can be exhibited in the museum,” said the source of RIA Novosti.
      9. +4
        7 June 2016 13: 31
        Quote: carpag
        Regarding the transfer of the Merkava to Kubinka, I am all 4 paws for. "Ones" have already been removed from service and there is no reason not to present Kubinka with an active "one"

        Instead of this Magah, Israel will give the museum exactly the same Magah.
      10. +1
        8 June 2016 20: 59
        Well, if my sclerosis does not fail me, at the time of the hostilities Tel Aviv was still the capital of the state of Israel. Jerusalem became such much later.
        If in doubt, I’ll provide a link to an Israeli source:
        There are no foreign embassies in Jerusalem now. Most of them are concentrated in Tel Aviv or its environs, with rare exceptions in the form of Paraguay and Bolivia, who established their diplomatic missions in Mevaseret Zion, the nearest suburb of Jerusalem.
        Embassies of the Russian Federation, France, Great Britain and the USA are a stone's throw from Tel Aviv beach. In Jerusalem, there is only the US Consulate General, but not Russian.
        ...
        On July 30, 1980, the Knesset passed the Law on Jerusalem, the capital of Israel, which states: "Jerusalem, one and indivisible, is the capital of Israel." This law received the status of a basic law, equal to the constitutional one, that is, it is more difficult to repeal it than an ordinary law.

        http://9tv.co.il/news/2014/03/11/170780.html
        So with regard to capitals, one must still be more careful. No one will say that Moscow was the capital of the Russian Empire, since Moscow was confirmed with the status of the Russian state, with the formation of the Russian Empire, St. Petersburg - Petrograd became the capital, and with the destruction of the Empire - Moscow again ...
    2. 0
      7 June 2016 13: 40
      Dear (hereinafter, the word forbidden by censorship) is enough to minus ... in the morning. Arguments in the evening. Cons and not the turnover ..
  2. -1
    7 June 2016 07: 10
    These "lordly" manners of the management have gotten tired of it! negative
    1. -1
      7 June 2016 07: 19
      Putin is increasingly throwing (right substitute) in the spirit of Gorbachev. Logically there should have been an equal exchange - that is what I hoped to read in the article. Suddenly, the author knows something. But no.

      If you simply give Israel a car without an exchange, it will be enchanting folly and meanness.
      1. +5
        7 June 2016 07: 45
        I also think so, trophies are not given away, soon Germany will demand to give up the fascist banners in order to "normalize relations." What is obtained and taken in battle is sacred!
        1. -1
          7 June 2016 07: 51
          Well, do not be so categorical. If we were talking about the exchange of the tank on samethen there would be no questions.

          And so, it turns out, just gave.

          And they are waiting for the Israelites to show mutual courtesy.
          1. +4
            7 June 2016 12: 58
            Quote: Kibalchish
            Well, do not be so categorical. If we were talking about the exchange of the tank for the same, then there would be no questions.

            And so, it turns out, just gave.

            And they are waiting for the Israelites to show mutual courtesy.

            Israel will hand over the tank to the museum near Moscow to replace a similar model in its exposition, which Russia agreed to return, a spokeswoman for the head of the Israeli government said. http://vz.ru/news/2016/6/7/814772.html
          2. +3
            7 June 2016 13: 27
            The "Chukchi writers" went a lot.
            All of you have already been told above that
            Israel will hand over a tank to a museum near the Moscow region to replace a similar model in its exposition, which Russia agreed to return, a spokeswoman for the head of the Israeli government said.
            “We will hand over exactly the same tank to Russia so that it can be exhibited in the museum,” said the source of RIA Novosti.
          3. +1
            7 June 2016 13: 55
            Quote: Kibalchish
            Well, do not be so categorical. If we were talking about the exchange of the tank for the same, then there would be no questions

            Chukchi is not a reader - Chukchi writer
            Quote: RUSS
            Israel will give the museum in the Moscow region a tank in exchange for a similar model from its exposition, which Russia agreed to return. This was reported by the spokesman for the head of the Israeli government.
            Israeli tank "Magah" was captured in 1982 by Syrian troops in battle at the southern Lebanese town of Sultan-Yaakub and transported to the USSR, where, after studying by experts, it became an exhibit of the Central Museum of armored weapons and equipment in Kubinka.

            At the end of May, Russia agreed to Israel’s request to return the tank to its homeland.

            “We’ll give the exact same tank to Russia so that it will be exhibited at the museum,” RIA Novosti quoted the spokeswoman as saying.
            1. +2
              7 June 2016 13: 58
              Quote: atalef
              Chukchi is not a reader - Chukchi Pisa

              So then ... Kabardin sad

              Group: Journalists

              Voinstin - not a reader, he Yes
              1. +2
                8 June 2016 03: 29
                Quote: Cat Man Null
                So then ... Kabardin

                Roman, I don’t understand what, but what does Kabardin have to do with this publication?
        2. +4
          7 June 2016 07: 55
          So not the Russian soldiers took this trophy. Namely, this tank is very important for the families of missing tankers. Israel showed generosity by giving Russia land in the area of ​​the Russian Compound in Jerusalem.
          1. +3
            7 June 2016 08: 11
            Quote: carpag
            Israel showed generosity by giving Russia land in the area of ​​the Russian Compound in Jerusalem.

            Well, damn it, there's nothing to say after this comment. You are already there. fool
            1. +5
              7 June 2016 08: 41
              In the 50 years, the Soviet government sold these lands to Israel. In 2008, Israel presented these lands to Russia. If it is not generosity, then what is generosity?
              1. +2
                7 June 2016 09: 23
                Quote: carpag
                In the 50 years, the Soviet government sold these lands to Israel. In 2008, Israel presented these lands to Russia. If it is not generosity, then what is generosity?

                You still remember about the Crimea. Trotsky’s promissory notes have been preserved, no?
              2. +1
                7 June 2016 09: 52
                Quote: carpag
                In the 50s, the Soviet government sold these lands to Israel.


                Not in the 50s, but in the 60s, the Soviet government sold the land of the Russian Orthodox Church, for oranges smile

                Quote: carpag
                In 2008, Israel donated these lands to Russia


                Not these lands, but one of the farmsteads of these lands - "Sergievskoye Compound".
        3. +7
          7 June 2016 09: 41
          Quote: lesnik1978
          I also think so, trophies are not given

          This is not a trophy, or rather not your trophy, but the Syrian.

          Quote: Kibalchish
          If we were talking about the exchange of the tank for the same, then there would be no questions.

          This is what is being discussed. You will have exactly the same tank, but not of sentimental value for us.
          1. +7
            7 June 2016 09: 45
            Quote: professor
            This is what is being discussed. You will have exactly the same tank, but not of sentimental value for us.

            Oleg, tank (museum exhibit) with a story and without history, two big differences. In any case, Putin showed great generosity by returning this particular tank. However, he too often demonstrates excessive generosity in relation to other countries.
            1. +16
              7 June 2016 09: 53
              Quote: Bongo
              Oleg, a tank (museum exhibit) with and without history are two big differences.

              The new tank will have an even more interesting story. They will say "this is the same tank that we exchanged according to the decision of the GDP, showing unprecedented generosity ..." But seriously, the return of the tank is a very important step for us, which will be appreciated. Will this change anything in relations between the two countries? Of course not. As you know, there are no friends in foreign policy, but only interests. I think VVP also appreciated the absence of Israeli weapons in Georgia after 8.8.8 and its absence in Ukraine. Interests will diverge and everything will return to normal.

              PS
              Merkava had to ask for a museum and Ahzarit.

              Quote: Bongo
              However, he too often demonstrates excessive generosity in relation to other countries.

              You have such a vertical of power that no one asks your opinion. Sorry for the harshness.
              1. +3
                7 June 2016 10: 00
                Quote: professor
                The new tank will have an even more interesting story. They will say "this is the same tank that we exchanged according to the decision of the GDP, showing unprecedented generosity ..."

                You’re embarrassing again ... right now they’re sticking minuses to you. am
                Quote: professor
                Merkava had to ask for a museum and Ahzarit.
                It would not be bad, but our leadership is not used to bargaining on things that do not concern personal interests - "Russia is a generous soul."
                Quote: professor
                You have such a vertical of power that no one asks your opinion. Sorry for the harshness.

                crying
              2. +6
                7 June 2016 10: 06
                Quote: professor
                They will say "this is the same tank that we exchanged according to the decision of the GDP, showing unprecedented generosity ..."

                Prof, you need a guide. good
                1. +8
                  7 June 2016 10: 24
                  Quote: Mordvin 3
                  Prof, you need a guide.

                  I lectured to students and presented the material so that if И did not sit with their mouths open, they listened very carefully. wink
                  1. +3
                    7 June 2016 10: 27
                    Quote: professor
                    if you didn’t sit with your mouths open, then you listened very carefully

                    - and if they opened their mouths, they didn’t listen, or what?
                    - how one letter changes the meaning ... radically:

                    Quote: professor
                    if И did not sit with their mouths open, they listened very carefully

                    - the great and mighty Russian language Yes

                    It's just for fun, if that. Nothing personal fellow
              3. +1
                8 June 2016 02: 36
                Quote: professor
                Merkava had to ask for a museum and Ahzarit.
                Why don’t you offer it yourself? In my opinion, everything is better in the museum than on needles.
                And there are no problems with transport. The BDK is being driven empty from Tartus to Novorossisk, if it could have been turned into Haifa, the hook is small.
                1. 0
                  8 June 2016 07: 58
                  Quote: Nagan
                  Why don’t you offer it yourself? In my opinion, everything is better in the museum than on needles.

                  In Israel, such things do not go to the needle. They will be used to holes.
            2. +2
              7 June 2016 12: 54
              Quote: Bongo
              Oleg, a tank (museum exhibit) with and without history are two big differences.
              no there is no ИStories.
              Yes. all visitors don’t give a damn, they’ll invent a story anew (as rumored and given, a linguistic balabol came up with a story, now they’ll give it away), all the more so because 100% that there is no guarantee of those killed, all the more they will give the same, so the exchange was sewn for soap, and a bit of politics.
              but yes, the minuses and pluses were distributed here from the heart.
          2. +2
            7 June 2016 20: 33
            But it is not clear from the article what relation the tank has to the missing soldiers. As far as I understood they are all from different crews, it does not even follow from the article that this is the tank of the missing gunner Katz, tk. USSR "one of the captured tanks was transferred." Was it really impossible to determine the composition of the crew by the serial numbers of the tank? Or is it important to relatives as a symbol?
        4. +3
          7 June 2016 13: 54
          Quote: lesnik1978
          I also think so, trophies are not given,

          belay
          Is this a trophy? Whose?
          Quote: lesnik1978
          What is sacred is obtained and taken in battle

          Said the Syrian army wink
          You are our Magi - we are your Golan laughing
        5. +4
          7 June 2016 15: 56
          What trophies? The Soviet Union did not OFFICIALLY participate in hostilities in the MIDDLE EAST. RELATIVES of the dead crew rate the tank as the BROTHER CREW of the CREW. The President of Russia acted as a real OFFICER. HONOR AND PRAISE TO HIM
      2. 0
        7 June 2016 09: 38
        Israel offered the same model in exchange.
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      4. -8
        7 June 2016 12: 46
        Quote: Kibalchish
        Putin is throwing more and more (necessary substitute) in the spirit of Gorbachev. Logically, there should have been an equivalent exchange - that is what I was hoping to read in the article. Suddenly, the author knows something. But no. If they simply give the car to Israel without exchange, it will be enchanting stupidity and meanness.

        Not only that, you see in the Israeli press also accuse the Russians of hiding the corpses of the crew. Brothers Ukrainians will help with the material, they are now printed there with great pleasure.
      5. 0
        8 June 2016 17: 00
        https://lenta.ru/news/2016/06/08/taki_budem_imet_etot_business/
  3. +3
    7 June 2016 07: 13
    article plus! very informative!
  4. +5
    7 June 2016 07: 35
    The combat vehicle transmitted by the Syrians in the early 80s was for a long time one of the most interesting museum exhibits in Kubinka near Moscow. The value of the Israeli tank "Magah-3" consists both in its combat biography and in the fact that in the museum collection in Kubink there are no other vehicles with dynamic protection "Blazer".

    - here the author is joking. IMHO unsuccessfully.

    In general, I will laugh for a long time when, instead of this particular tank from Israel, the exact same one comes to replace it. Just with a different serial number and without such a "sentimental" story. Which, however, does not affect the quality of the exhibit.

    The whole story with the transfer of the tank is a storm in a thimble (not even in a glass) and the eggs are not worth it.
    1. +5
      7 June 2016 07: 45
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      The whole story with the transfer of the tank is a storm in a thimble (not even in a glass) and the eggs are not worth it.

      What time! And for this, even a decree was needed.
      1. +1
        7 June 2016 07: 46
        Quote: Mordvin 3
        What time! And for this, even a decree was needed

        - So what? These decrees are baked by dozens and hundreds ..
        - Moreover - not all of them we know
        - and nothing like everything, yes, no?
        1. +2
          7 June 2016 07: 51
          Quote: Cat Man Null
          These decrees are baked in dozens and hundreds ..- Moreover, we don’t know about all of them, and nothing like that, yes, no?

          That hell knows them. But the decree - it sounds! fellow laughing
    2. +3
      7 June 2016 09: 32
      Quote: Cat Man Null
      in the museum collection in Kubink there are no other machines with dynamic protection "Blazer".
      - here the author is joking. IMHO unsuccessfully.

      The author is not joking No. Or are there other Blazer cars in Kubinka? what
  5. +2
    7 June 2016 07: 37
    It is hoped that the leadership of the State of Israel will adequately appreciate the gesture of goodwill and find the opportunity to compensate for the gap that has formed in the exhibition. It seems that the Israeli Merkava main battle tank would have looked very good in Kubinka.

    It would not be bad, but they won’t give Merkava in exchange, he’s in service, we’ll know everything about him ...
    1. +3
      7 June 2016 07: 57
      The first model of Merkava has already been withdrawn from service. It can be presented to Kubinka.
      1. 0
        7 June 2016 09: 41
        Well, raise a question for discussion in the community at home :) lobby, so to speak)
    2. +1
      7 June 2016 12: 20
      Quote: Runx135
      It is hoped that the leadership of the State of Israel will adequately appreciate the gesture of goodwill and find the opportunity to compensate for the gap that has formed in the exhibition. It seems that the Israeli Merkava main battle tank would have looked very good in Kubinka.

      It would not be bad, but they won’t give Merkava in exchange, he’s in service, we’ll know everything about him ...

      Israel will hand over the tank to the museum near Moscow to replace a similar model in its exposition, which Russia agreed to return, a spokeswoman for the head of the Israeli government said. http://vz.ru/news/2016/6/7/814772.html
  6. 0
    7 June 2016 07: 41
    Interesting. There is little about tanks in the Arab-Israeli hash; there is, of course, but with a touch of Mr. A. hi
  7. 0
    7 June 2016 08: 01
    How Colonel Kvachkov is right all the same.
  8. 0
    7 June 2016 08: 13
    Well? Mig-21, stolen by Israel, returned? Something not heard of a response curtsey.
    1. +2
      7 June 2016 08: 37
      He crashed in America in trials
    2. +1
      7 June 2016 12: 11
      Quote: Engineer
      Well? Mig-21, stolen by Israel, returned? Something not heard of a response curtsey.

      To whom? Iraq? Israel did not take anything away from the USSR. Confused with another 21
    3. +1
      7 June 2016 13: 57
      Quote: Engineer
      Well? Mig-21, stolen by Israel, returned? Something not heard of a response curtsey.

      Who?
    4. +3
      7 June 2016 16: 05
      If we are talking about a hijacked MiG-21 by the captain of the Egyptian Air Force, then this aircraft is located in the Israeli Air Force museums Beer Sheva, among other things, a GREAT MUSEUM.

      By the way, in Israel there is also the Tank Museum in Latrun with a solid exposition.
  9. +2
    7 June 2016 09: 32
    “We’ll give the exact same tank to Russia so that it will be exhibited in the museum,” RIA Novosti quoted the spokesman for the Israeli government.
    1. +1
      7 June 2016 09: 35
      Quote: pigkiller
      “We’ll give the exact same tank to Russia so that it will be exhibited in the museum,” RIA Novosti quoted the spokesman for the Israeli government.

      At the time of this writing, i.e. - 3 days ago this information was not yet. request
      1. 0
        7 June 2016 09: 41
        I think the Russian Foreign Ministry and the AP came to their senses and agreed with their Israeli partners.
        B. Netanyahu is a specific man.)
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  10. +2
    7 June 2016 13: 08
    I liked it, of course: "Thanks to high professional skills, courage and heroism, Israeli tank crews are often at the cost of serious losses ..."

    And the rest are tourists and militants
    1. +5
      7 June 2016 13: 57
      Quote: Persistence
      I liked it, of course: "Thanks to high professional skills, courage and heroism, Israeli tank crews are often at the cost of serious losses ..."

      Whether you like it or not, but it's true ... Israeli tankers often won thanks to better training and more stamina. Arabs as a rule did not shine with these qualities. If Israel faced Soviet tankers, it is still unknown what the outcome of most of the battles would be. Soviet tanks supplied to the Arabs were not inferior to those available in the IDF in terms of firepower and security.
      1. +3
        7 June 2016 15: 11
        Quote: Bongo
        Quote: Persistence
        I liked it, of course: "Thanks to high professional skills, courage and heroism, Israeli tank crews are often at the cost of serious losses ..."

        Whether you like it or not, but it's true ... Israeli tankers often won thanks to better training and more stamina. Arabs as a rule did not shine with these qualities. If Israel faced Soviet tankers, it is still unknown what the outcome of most of the battles would be. Soviet tanks supplied to the Arabs were not inferior to those available in the IDF in terms of firepower and security.

        If you are interested, you can highlight the rearguard battles of the 7 and 188 TBR during the Doomsday War. By all accounts, it was in these battles that the Israeli tankers showed maximum of their best qualities.
        1. +5
          7 June 2016 15: 20
          Quote: Aron Zaavi
          If you are interested, you can highlight the rearguard battles of the 7 and 188 TBR during the Doomsday War. By all accounts, it was in these battles that the Israeli tankers showed maximum of their best qualities.

          Aron, the topic is certainly very interesting, but it seems to me that an Israeli should write about it. Unfortunately, you cannot grasp the immensity, I am engaged in "writing" in my free time from my main work, and there is not too much of it. Moreover, the summer in our area is short and you want to spend more time outdoors. In addition, especially stubborn "patriots" and so reproach me for pro-Israel sentiments. Which, however, is absolutely not true, I just try to not be biased. I have already written about this many times, but I will repeat once again: no matter what nationality a person is, it is important how he manifests himself.
  11. -2
    7 June 2016 17: 56
    Let Merkava 4 give in exchange. And what would it be right from the factory!))))
    1. +5
      7 June 2016 18: 14
      Quote: Crimea26
      Let Merkava 4 give in exchange. And what would it be right from the factory!))))


  12. +5
    7 June 2016 18: 30
    The Middle East of the early 70s is generally famous for its tank battles. So, in the battle that took place on the Egyptian front on Sunday October 14, 1973, about 2000 tanks took part. It is believed that in terms of the number of vehicles, this battle is the largest in the history of tank battles, with the exception of the Battle of the Kursk Bulge. There, in 1943, 2700 German tanks fought against 3000 Soviet tanks. (In the battle of El Alamein in 1942, "only" 1600 German, British and Italian tanks participated.) There was a paddle on the Syrian front. There, about 700 tanks and almost 1500 armored personnel carriers went against the Israelis at once. Fortunately, there was not a very convenient place there and the Syrian tankers did not differ in special training, suffered huge losses, but 700 tanks, this is 700 tanks. The Yom Kippur War has been fairly well studied by the military in many countries. Historians used it literally on the belly up and down, and there are no particular discrepancies in the figures.
  13. 0
    7 June 2016 20: 29
    Yes, at least in exchange an armored personnel carrier was given.
    1. 0
      7 June 2016 21: 13
      In exchange they will give a whole tank - the exchange will be equivalent.
  14. 0
    7 June 2016 22: 31
    Quote: professor
    I think the GDP also estimated the absence of Israeli weapons in Georgia after 8.8.8 and its absence in Ukraine.

    What difference does it make, what weapons were in Georgia or Ukraine, American, Israeli German or French. As if Georgia had tanks or machine guns made in Israel, it would have a different outcome. Or if the Ukrainian army had not Soviet, but Israeli weapons Donbass can’t resist. Do you have machine guns there that shoot rays, and not bullets like everyone else? Or are your tanks transformers robots? lol
    1. +5
      8 June 2016 07: 56
      Quote: Yak28
      What difference does it make, what weapons were in Georgia or Ukraine, American, Israeli German or French. As if Georgia had tanks or machine guns made in Israel, it would have a different outcome. Or if the Ukrainian army had not Soviet, but Israeli weapons Donbass can’t resist. Do you have machine guns there that shoot rays, and not bullets like everyone else? Or are your tanks transformers robots?

      There is of course a difference. For example, Syria. As soon as the ancient TOWs appeared among the militias and the number of armored personnel at the Assad began to decrease exponentially. And if Spikes were there, then the affairs of the Assad would be even worse. The same story is in Georgia with Ukraine. Especially with Ukraine. There, on the one hand, "humanitarian convoys", and on the other, supplies NOT LETAL weapons.
  15. +3
    8 June 2016 03: 38
    I've always been wondering why we have such a swine attitude towards exhibits in a kubinka. Everything is rusty, not well maintained, ten layers of paint and done (. You watch reports from foreign museums, everything is cleaned up, painted, etc.
    Is it really impossible to bring one machine a year into order, completely disassemble, clean, paint. The elements of which are not enough, according to the drawings, at least on 3D printers to print and paint. And the work is interesting to me.
  16. +5
    8 June 2016 10: 19
    Israeli tank Magach 3 delivered to Vnukovo

    June 8th, 1: 18

    Judging by the photo that appeared on the web forum www.bigler.ru, on June 7, 2016, an An-124-100 transport aircraft of the Russian Volga-Dnepr airline was delivered to Moscow Vnukovo airport from Israel and unloaded an Israeli tank Magach 3 received in exchange on the same tank returned to Israel from the exposition of the Central Museum of Armored Weapons and Equipment of the Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation in Kubinka.


    853859_original
  17. +2
    8 June 2016 17: 12
    Published footage of the arrival of the tank "Magah" from Israel to Russia
    http://360tv.ru/news/izrail-dostavil-v-rossiyu-tank-magah-video-60091/
  18. +2
    8 June 2016 22: 14
    A few years ago, details were declassified as to why the tankers were ambushed.
    Israeli reconnaissance aircraft ambush and position the Syrians neatly photographed and
    and handed over to military intelligence. Some junior officer mixed up and sent pictures not
    the brigade that was needed. There, the commanders also did not navigate and did not transport
    information "by address".
    As always: feats of soldiers - retribution for the mistakes of officers or intelligence ... sad
  19. 0
    9 June 2016 00: 25
    Well, see soon and to the mausoleum will pull their dirty hands ...
  20. 0
    9 June 2016 09: 59
    Quote: Kibalchish
    If I am not mistaken, almost all foreign embassies are located there.


    Well, the US Consulate in Jerusalem is definitely there))
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  22. -2
    9 June 2016 10: 31
    [quote = dep071] [quote = Kibalchish] If I am not mistaken, almost all foreign embassies are located there. [/ quote]

    Well, the US Consulate in Jerusalem is definitely there))

    [quote = Turkestan] I happened to talk with an officer of the IDF. He told me an interesting phrase. LIFE OF A MILITARY SERVER IS IMPORTANT THALMOUD. And it was said in an EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS COUNTRY and says a lot. [/ Quote]
    The officer is certainly right, but about ... "EXTREMELY RELIGIOUS COUNTRY" ... this is greatly exaggerated by you. The people living there are strongly spiritually developed unconditionally and keep their history, and the faithful Jews, maybe you mean them, this is normal.


    [quote = Sevastopolets15] For..bee Citizens-museums are selling, what's next soul? I am against the transfer of the tank, they don’t hear me, AUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUU, let's give Israel a plane and a ship as a present, give a hat in hats, fascism blossoms in Europe - keep quiet, DO NOT EXPRESS THIS / THIS ...

    The museum is the Hermitage, the tank is the murder weapon. According to the statement about hats, I understand you are young and do not read historical literature at all. And do not disgrace your ancestors since you call yourself a nickname who perished for you, fighting fascism, and you only have slogans and banners !!!!!!
  23. -1
    9 June 2016 11: 16
    The story about the tank is very interesting.
    For the Magah-3 tank to appear, Israel had to be created. To create Israel, it was necessary to create the United States, to destroy all empires, including the Ottoman, Russian, to create the USSR, to destroy the British and French empires. To exchange a tank for another one of the same kind, it was required to destroy the USSR. What is the meaning of the story?
  24. 0
    10 June 2016 15: 21
    If this particular tank is dear to them, as a memory, then let them give in exchange for this another one that is not of historical value.