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Bulgaria "to meet NATO standards" will replace the MiG-29 with "used" aircraft of Western manufacturers

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Information Service RNS reports that the Bulgarian authorities approved the deal for the purchase of used aircraft in the West, which should replace the MiG-29, acquired in due time from the Soviet Union. The speaker of the Bulgarian parliament, Tsetska Tsacheva, announced that the country's defense ministry would purchase from the North Atlantic alliance countries before 9 second-hand fighters for a total amount of approximately 860 million dollars.

Bulgaria "to meet NATO standards" will replace the MiG-29 with "used" aircraft of Western manufacturers


The idea to buy used planes from NATO partners was supported by the majority of Bulgarian legislators - the 123 man, with 29 opposed and the 4s who abstained.

It should be noted that the Bulgarians are preparing to purchase two warships for a total of about 470 million dollars. Official Sofia intends to make such a purchase through 5 years - in 2021 year.

At the same time, it is not reported yet about which particular ships and airplanes in question. According to one of the versions, the Bulgarian Defense Ministry intends to acquire used American F-16 or European Eurofighter fighters.

In NATO, Bulgaria is constantly blamed for the fact that its military spending does not reach the 2% of GDP required by the military bloc. On this occasion, the Bulgarian authorities have been puzzled over the past few years trying to please NATO partners. Apparently, the partners suggested how to do it - buy airplanes that are being prepared for decommissioning in the United States, Britain or Germany.
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  1. iConst
    iConst 3 June 2016 16: 31
    +24
    And why do they need fighters and military aircraft?

    Their hegemon was promised to be captured ... Huh? lol
    1. APASUS
      APASUS 3 June 2016 16: 36
      +9
      Quote: iConst
      And why do they need fighters and military aircraft?

      It’s not a matter of aviation, everything is written right there:
      NATO constantly reproaches Bulgaria for the fact that its military spending does not reach the 2% of GDP required by the military bloc. On this occasion, the Bulgarian authorities have been racking their brains over the past few years, trying to please their NATO partners.

      They can even buy condoms with this money .............. only if they are American
      1. Darkmor
        Darkmor 3 June 2016 16: 47
        +26
        Well, this is a targeted loan - as if the Bulgarians were choosing something ...
        In fact, this news should be read like this:
        The NATO bloc lobbied for the shipment of its worn-out planes to Bulgaria, for which the Bulgarians will joyfully pay the cost of purchasing new planes in the same amount for Germany and the UK.
        And everyone is happy.

        You know, sellers of all crap go to apartments?
        Like "buy our super knives, now with a 100% discount, just today!"
        The EU and the United States within the NATO bloc act approximately the same, with one difference.
        Not one seller comes to you, but 40 at the same time. And they tell you:
        "Are you European, how are all your neighbors? So they already bought our knives for self-defense"
        "Can't buy, because there is no money? We will give you money - especially so that you give it to us for knives" "but only the knives will be LUCKY, since you are so poor - and you will return the money to us with interest, paying each loan month"
        And they stand, forty snouts look at you, and play with knives.
        Mafia? No, the European family! Pay for family ties. You can’t pay right away - pay monthly. You can’t pay monthly - your children will pay, it doesn’t matter! The main thing is to buy our crap, otherwise we will be offended!
        1. Ami du peuple
          Ami du peuple 3 June 2016 16: 53
          .
          Quote: Darkmor
          The NATO bloc lobbied for sending its worn planes to Bulgaria,
          Quote: from article
          Speaker of the Bulgarian Parliament Tsetsk Tsachev
          It can be seen that Tsetsk is now (politically) not safe. lol Without a doubt, something fell from the bounty of the American.
          By the way, don't you find any similarities?
          1. cniza
            cniza 3 June 2016 16: 58
            +9
            Oh, the United States bred everyone to grandmas, and when it becomes painful, they will run to Russia ...
            1. alexey k
              alexey k 3 June 2016 17: 10
              +2
              As pale4 .... t years
              1. jjj
                jjj 3 June 2016 17: 27
                +1
                This is just the beginning. Make the ally pay for much more
            2. 4ekist
              4ekist 3 June 2016 22: 04
              -1
              And on .ren we need them, in general.
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          3. Darwin
            Darwin 3 June 2016 17: 35
            +32
            Frunze (Frunzik, Mher) Mushegovich Mkrtchyan. Not a correct comparison, a good actor was an actor.
            1. Ami du peuple
              Ami du peuple 3 June 2016 21: 24
              -1
              Quote: Darwin
              Not a correct comparison, a good actor was an actor
              Do you think I offended the memory of Frunzik by such a comparison? So be it. I offer all my deepest apologies. But it hurt too much that this Tsetsk was similar to the beloved Armenian actor .. Only that one had natural charm, and this one had only male features and a squeamish mine on his face.
              Quote: SG11
              dear, you'd better put your picture below, and not the great Artist
              I don’t look like Tsetsk at all, sweetheart.
          4. Abbra
            Abbra 3 June 2016 17: 37
            +13
            Frunzik has nothing to do with it. The great artist was ....
            1. sabakina
              sabakina 3 June 2016 19: 22
              +10
              Frunzik who can be watched endlessly ... The only person whose last name consists of 5 consonants and only one vowel! What about his face? Yes, such a person is not something that you trust the house, you trust the bride ......
              1. sgazeev
                sgazeev 3 June 2016 19: 53
                -1
                good Only the wife was too jealous.
          5. razmik72
            razmik72 3 June 2016 17: 38
            +14
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Quote: Darkmor
            The NATO bloc lobbied for sending its worn planes to Bulgaria,
            Quote: from article
            Speaker of the Bulgarian Parliament Tsetsk Tsachev
            It can be seen that Tsetsk is now (politically) not safe. lol Without a doubt, something fell from the bounty of the American.
            By the way, don't you find any similarities?

            It is not worth comparing the great Soviet actor with this sss ... to ... st.
          6. 97110
            97110 3 June 2016 18: 13
            +2
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            By the way, don't you find any similarities?

            I find it. She looks like an artist in makeup who played a grandmaster who drowned in Lake Peipsi.
          7. NordUral
            NordUral 3 June 2016 18: 43
            +4
            Do not offend a man by comparison.
          8. sgazeev
            sgazeev 3 June 2016 19: 50
            +2
            She’s not fit for Frunzik. drinks
          9. SG11
            SG11 3 June 2016 19: 59
            0
            dear, you'd better put your picture below, and not the great Artist
          10. arane
            arane 3 June 2016 21: 38
            0
            Quote: Ami du peuple
            Quote: Darkmor
            The NATO bloc lobbied for sending its worn planes to Bulgaria,
            Quote: from article
            Speaker of the Bulgarian Parliament Tsetsk Tsachev
            It can be seen that Tsetsk is now (politically) not safe. lol Without a doubt, something fell from the bounty of the American.
            By the way, don't you find any similarities?


            I rarely put minuses, like pluses. Minus you. Justified.
            No need to look for an identity between a wonderful Soviet actor and some sort of regular rsophobic toad
          11. japs
            japs 4 June 2016 00: 34
            +3
            Frunzik is not necessary. Frunzik is a great actor and man. This Macedonian c-ke before him, like bacteria cancer to Mars!
        2. Skubudu
          Skubudu 3 June 2016 18: 19
          +2
          At 860 million d I would have bought 25 new SU-35s in their place and would have been enough for missiles.
          And would put everyone in cancer at a joint NATO exercise
          1. NordUral
            NordUral 3 June 2016 18: 45
            0
            Hmm, almost scrap for 100 green lemons. Bonus 9 zinc coffins.
          2. kotvov
            kotvov 4 June 2016 10: 35
            0
            At 860 million d I would buy 25 brand new SU-35s in their place and still have enough for missiles. ,,
            they would buy, but who will give them.
        3. sergeybulkin
          sergeybulkin 3 June 2016 18: 35
          +1
          The idea to buy used planes from NATO partners was supported by the majority of Bulgarian legislators - the 123 man, with 29 opposed and the 4s who abstained.

          Ну since they are so smart, our FORMER friends, so we need to take all our planes from them, at least for the money. Because they are now in a hostile block to us.
          1. The stranger
            The stranger 4 June 2016 03: 31
            +2
            Screamer, can you voice your criteria for being experienced? I burned your house, killed children, attacked your wife and mother?
            Did you take the last cigarette in the gateway?
            And finally, boys, it may be worth filtering the market, huh? I’m not to say that I’m terrible myself, but to the fact that the Bulgarians don’t need to turn away from themselves. We are already 15 centuries old, as everyone does not like. And we are. They’ll still come, we’ll still survive, and we’ll even get fluffy. Why do you need a lomat tale about friendship between Bulgarians and Russians? I don’t need anything.
            Governments - they are like a commercial break - are long and annoying. But it ends. And blood - it is blood. The essence of fraternity.
        4. Astor
          Astor 4 June 2016 05: 07
          +2
          The way it is! The gangster government (Chief Minister B. Borisov himself, a former security guard from the 90s) has already accumulated debts of 8 billion euros, it is not known for what, and for this rubbish they will take another billion. Of course, there will be a pullback, which is higher than the "usual" 10%. Sooner or later these bandits will run away somewhere to the west, and we will pay off. By the way, not everyone will be able to escape, the mafia's pension scheme provides for a transfer to the other world.
      2. The black
        The black 3 June 2016 16: 49
        +5
        Bulgaria "to meet NATO standards" will replace the MiG-29 with "used" aircraft of Western manufacturers
        ... And be sure to send used planes to Ukraine for repairs. Then do not care sho "repaired" wassat
        1. Revolver
          Revolver 3 June 2016 17: 19
          +4
          Quote: Black
          .And be sure to let used planes be sent to Ukraine for repairs

          As if later they were not grinded into Zhovtoblakitnaya symbolism and not sent to bomb the Donbass. laughing

          Well this is a kagbe laugh. But the Bulgarian MiGs may indeed be in the hands of dill.
      3. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 3 June 2016 17: 45
        +2
        It’s all in a circle .. West old planes to Bulgaria, Bulgarians-MIGs to Ukraine, Ukrainians drank and sell the rest to Africa, Ishilovites in Africa will exorcise the striped uncle, uncle will get rid of old equipment .. Although Ukrainians can keep these MIGs at home .. Let's hope for a joke ..
      4. rpuropuu
        rpuropuu 4 June 2016 10: 54
        0
        All right, then maybe they will switch to gum: -D. But for now, the version about the inevitable "Russian invasion" soldier untwisted and "rolls". The beggars - rubbish, the rich - wunderwales at 200-300 million apiece. Just business.
      5. GSH-18
        GSH-18 4 June 2016 22: 51
        0
        Bulgaria "to meet NATO standards" will replace the MiG-29 with "used" aircraft of Western manufacturers

        Yeah, the "brothers" were specifically bent ... And they, along the way, do not resist request
    2. Samen
      Samen 3 June 2016 16: 39
      +2
      Well, they would give this 2% of GDP in "real" money ... and save themselves from additional costs for the operation of this scrap metal.
    3. Lt. Air Force stock
      Lt. Air Force stock 3 June 2016 16: 49
      +4
      Quote: iConst
      And why do they need fighters and military aircraft?

      Their hegemon was promised to be captured ... Huh?

      The US is so cleverly supporting the defense industry. They say that it is necessary that every NATO member country spends at least 2% of GDP. It is naturally impossible to buy weapons from Russia and China. Only Western countries remain, cheap fighter aircraft in the West are produced only by 2 US countries F-16 and Sweden Grippen. Most likely the US is lobbying its manufacturers.
      Along the way, ousting Russia and China from the arms market.
    4. Starover_Z
      Starover_Z 3 June 2016 17: 19
      +3
      Apparently, the partners suggested how to do this - to buy planes that are preparing to be decommissioned in the USA, Britain or Germany.

      "Partners" kill several birds with one stone - and do not break unnecessary equipment, but sell - once!
      Spare parts will be sold for a specific cash - two, and moreover, at exorbitant prices!
      Bulgaria does not have money - it means that they will also issue loans for specific interest - three!
      Well, repair service is already four!
      Bulgarians specifically fall !!!
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev 3 June 2016 19: 59
        0
        Quote: Starover_Z
        Apparently, the partners suggested how to do this - to buy planes that are preparing to be decommissioned in the USA, Britain or Germany.

        "Partners" kill several birds with one stone - and do not break unnecessary equipment, but sell - once!
        Spare parts will be sold for a specific cash - two, and moreover, at exorbitant prices!
        Bulgaria does not have money - it means that they will also issue loans for specific interest - three!
        Well, repair service is already four!
        Bulgarians specifically fall !!!

        Horseradish with them, for them it is the Ottoman yoke in a modern, blood-free way, but they will cut it alive without anesthesia.
    5. Grandson of Veteran
      Grandson of Veteran 3 June 2016 17: 47
      +1
      "will purchase up to 9 used fighters from the Alliance countries for a total amount of approximately $ 860 million."

      Is it a DOG? Or for BU almost 100 million per unit?!?!? wassat belay
      1. Berkut24
        Berkut24 3 June 2016 20: 49
        +1
        No, not a typo. For this money, they will also provide spare parts that will be needed the day after the solemn transfer, train pilots, and deliver airfield equipment that does not coincide with MIGovsky. Well, podshamanit a little before the sale.
        And what questions? Participation in the club of the richest countries can not be cheap.
    6. Maxom75
      Maxom75 3 June 2016 18: 14
      +2
      Them? There is nothing, with such a rate of outflow of the population, Bulgaria in a couple of ten years will be approximately comparable in population with the Volgograd region, and this is about 2 miles. person. Such a population size, in principle, will make it impossible to defend the country on its own. And considering that there is a "Bosphorus" (Erdogan) nearby with his new Ottoman imperial ideology, it puts the very existence of Bulgaria into question. The American habit of throwing its allies, in my opinion, is no longer in doubt by anyone. Only the crazy leaders of Ukraine and Georgia still harbor illusions that the Americans will fight for them. The rest already understand that nothing like this will happen. The presence of air junk made according to NATO standards will not change this trend in any way. In short, it's time for Bulgaria to learn Turkish.
    7. sgazeev
      sgazeev 3 June 2016 19: 44
      0
      Quote: iConst
      And why do they need fighters and military aircraft?

      Their hegemon was promised to be captured ... Huh? lol

      For that kind of money, it seems that the Bulgarians opened a scrap metal collection point. laughing
    8. pytar
      pytar 3 June 2016 23: 57
      +7
      A little clarification on this novelty directly from the source from Bulgaria:
      Now the Bulgarian Air Force includes 19 - MiG-29. Of these, 15 with modernization measures taken to extend the resource to 2028-2030. Soon, the rest of the 4 MiG will be continued. All MiGs will remain in service until the end of the specified period. In two stages, it is foreseen to purchase another 16 aircraft. 8 until 2018-2020 and another 8 to 2022-2023 g. Their final cost will be clear after receiving specific price tags from the requested countries. Bulgarian media reports indicate that Bulgaria will choose from the new MiG-29M / M2, used from Portugal F-16 MLU or from the USA F-16 block 25. It does not turn out that another proposal will be accepted and some other, if it proves to be more profitable from the point of view of the economy. The amount of the proposed contract includes the purchase of ground facilities, training and more.
      Toest in question is not about replacing the Soviet MiG-29, but about the ego addition with another airplane. By the end of this period, Bulgaria intends to have at least 35 fighters capable of fighting.
      As for the purchases of patrol ships, two options are examined. There is a proposal from the side of the Dutch company, as well as the use for the construction of ships of Bulgarian shipyards. Bulgaria intends to acquire two new multifunctional ships of a modular type.
      1. japs
        japs 4 June 2016 00: 46
        +3
        Do not forget the Mig-29, which are being repaired in Poland.
    9. Skif83
      Skif83 4 June 2016 09: 57
      0
      Well, degradation, if that is possible ... laughing
    10. Homo
      Homo 4 June 2016 12: 25
      0
      Quote: iConst
      And why do they need fighters and military aircraft?

      And nobody asks them. They were accepted into the EU and NATO as potential buyers, obliged to buy everything from the west! hi
  2. Pirogov
    Pirogov 3 June 2016 16: 32
    +3
    Sewed on soap, and even these standards, as they say with a beggar of Bulgaria, even a tuft of wool ......
  3. Atlant-1164
    Atlant-1164 3 June 2016 16: 33
    +2
    eh Bulgarians .. Bulgarians. then it will be a shame for ourselves and for our affairs ..
    1. alexey k
      alexey k 3 June 2016 17: 12
      -1
      You think so? I doubt .... they have never been ashamed
      1. Atlant-1164
        Atlant-1164 3 June 2016 18: 21
        +2
        well yes .. in 2 world wars .. they were our allies .. are you talking about this ??
  4. Mavrikiy
    Mavrikiy 3 June 2016 16: 34
    +4
    God help, sloven brothers. Everyone chooses clothes according to height. Again the mess came ...
    1. EvgNik
      EvgNik 3 June 2016 16: 44
      +7
      Quote: Mavrikiy
      God help the Slovenian brothers

      Yes, they are not our brothers and not our little brothers. Yes, and not the Slavs. Rather, the snake will become a brother.
      1. Talgat
        Talgat 3 June 2016 17: 16
        +16
        Neither Bulgarians, nor Serbs, nor Greeks will be allies for Russia because of their geopolitical location. Probably many have heard the names of Mac Kinder Mahen, and so on and about such a science as geopolitics. The best is considered to be English and Amerian - because they made it real science and put it into practice

        I apologize for the repetition - but still: There is Europe - but there is Eurasia and there is China - and the confrontation

        And the desire of every world civilization to consolidate is to unite. And vice versa - to divide - to defeat the enemy

        So after the death of our homeland of the USSR - Eurasia was divided. Europe, on the contrary, is consolidating in NATO and the EEC

        Orthodoxy unites Bulgarians with Russians - but still this is not enough - "geography is a sentence" either Bismarck or Napoleon

        The allies of the Russians were and will not be Greeks and Bulgarians - but Tatars with Yakuts, Mongols with Tuvans, and we, Kazakhs. etc . In fact, all those peoples who have stood together against Europe for thousands of years under Atilla and Nevsky - who actually make up Eurasia - are the union of the Slavs and the great steppe
      2. Berkut24
        Berkut24 3 June 2016 20: 57
        +3
        Yes, they are brothers, brothers. As you know, each family has its own. And when the brothers behave like that, then it just feels more painful. If dates bought this stuff, we would not even react to such news.
        You just need to accept that not all brothers will live to see the victory of Russia. It's all according to Putin: if someone wants to drown, then the rescuer is powerless. I think Russia is already tired of saving everyone. We must survive and win ourselves, and then we'll see who is left. In general, "European civilization" is simply programmed for suicide. Not only Bulgaria. It must end sometime. There is no need to interfere with the natural historical process.
  5. a-cola
    a-cola 3 June 2016 16: 35
    +5
    I can’t say anything. I only read to this place: Speaker of the Bulgarian Parliament Tsetsk Tsacheva. Laugh, read to the end ...
    Give it to the Ukrainian parliament! They are needed there!
  6. 31rus2
    31rus2 3 June 2016 16: 36
    +1
    Dear, all this is just the very concept of pressure on Russia, it is clear that the Migas need both repair and maintenance, so they decided to write off, in exchange for the Western
    1. alexey k
      alexey k 3 June 2016 17: 13
      -1
      Not figs our MIGs can finally be there!
    2. Verdun
      Verdun 3 June 2016 18: 53
      0
      Quote: 31rus2
      MiGs need repair and maintenance, so they decided to write off, in exchange for the western

      I think the matter is different. I know for sure that in the German Air Force there was a scandal over the fact that the pilots did not want to fly on other fighters, except on the MIG-29 inherited from the Warsaw Treaty. Here, probably, there are not enough MIGs at all, so they are trying to avoid conflicts.))
      1. sgazeev
        sgazeev 3 June 2016 20: 13
        +2
        Quote: Verdun
        Quote: 31rus2
        MiGs need repair and maintenance, so they decided to write off, in exchange for the western

        I think the matter is different. I know for sure that in the German Air Force there was a scandal over the fact that the pilots did not want to fly on other fighters, except on the MIG-29 inherited from the Warsaw Treaty. Here, probably, there are not enough MIGs at all, so they are trying to avoid conflicts.))

        Those pilots are already retired. The former pilots of the National People’s Army of the GDR, as well as several pilots of the Bundeswehr, began to fly on the MiG-29 in Germany. Studies conducted in Germany showed that German pilots on the MiG-29 successfully conducted training air battles with aircraft of NATO countries. The squadron commander Manfred Mengue, who flew 1994 hours by 3300, of which 1000 hours on the F-I04 and 1800 on the F-4 Phantom II: “This is the best fighter I took to the air.” He knows everything. Easy to manage, unpretentious to maintain. MiG-29 has excellent rocket-cannon armament. But the aiming system is rather weak, and we replaced some of the avionics for better interfacing with the ground radio equipment of western airfields.

        MiG-29 is a very reliable car. Never technology did not let the pilots in the air. Technicians from the former army of the German Democratic Republic have high professional training, and those who have retrained from other parts of the Bundeswehr have no difficulty in preparing a fighter for flying. ”In 2003, the Luftwaffe ranged 13 MiG-29. The experience gained by this company came in handy already in 1999, when Poland and Hungary were admitted to the North Atlantic military bloc as part of NATO's eastward expansion. At the same time, one of the most important requirements of NATO is the integration of weapons, including the Air Force. The taxpayers of these countries had a choice either to spend a lot of money and purchase overseas equipment, or to modernize Soviet one.
      2. The stranger
        The stranger 4 June 2016 02: 52
        +5
        No, of course, everything is simpler.
        After the 90s, they simply destroyed our army, fearing it. Dumb - not dumb, but there they read history enough to not trust us in principle. They knew that they would drive us into NATO, and even more so did not trust. It would seem - the stronger the ally - the better for you, no? So no - they carefully destroyed both the army and any potential mobilization resource. Including - intellectual and emotional. In their understanding, we are forever the Trojan horse of Russia, even if we were all already burned in the Buchenwald furnaces. Or there guantanamo, no difference. For someone will rise, being accidentally forgotten in a hurry, and will again become friends with the Russians.
        What exactly is up to the Migs - so at first you also ruined them. Then they became outdated, especially since we never got really good rockets for them. In this sense, the best aircraft that we once had were five Mig-23s of the Afghan modification, with BC, which you handed over to us in exchange for the four remaining Mig-25Ps. Their crews also cried when the planes flew away, amused only by the fact that they went home. Then they washed down on black.
        Then they broke Migov-23, also without bothering with explanations. Like outdated, and there were no questions, because at least some planes were still there. Although they still had an almost endless resource. For that, they knew how to shoot down f-16s, and it turned out to be outdated. They were replaced by the Mig-21, and so we came to be the first, and probably the only state in the world that replaced Kalash with muskets. Like a more formidable weapon.
        Then even you stopped trolling our Mig-29s - you haven’t been a weapon for a long time. A dagger is a beautiful thing, but not an infantry weapon. But they did not forget, they have plans to finish them off. And God forbid! Bulgarians - they are a wild tribe, and not their own. You never know what they will do to them.
        Here is such a "non-standard NATO". Better to have an F-16. Disconnected the SIM card - the airplane fell.
        To the question "who will then fight the Russians, since you are afraid, but I am not" - the answer is silence.

        Yes, still here. In Grippen, there would be at least some sense. Well, according to the performance characteristics, the main thing is the operation, it’s really interesting there. But here they crushed him in the bud. What will happen - no difference, still against yours without a piano. Meet - do not shoot down. They probably came to you at a rendezvous point for a common task.
  7. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 3 June 2016 16: 38
    +1
    everything is right - how to dispose of it - it’s cheaper to drive the young NATO workers out of order - they won’t go anywhere, they will buy .......
  8. Alexander 3
    Alexander 3 3 June 2016 16: 38
    +7
    Bulgaria is not driven by common sense, but what is driving Ukraine now. By joining NATO you are on the other side of the barricade. MIG 29 is much better than American junk. The instructions for NATO pilots are written (if possible, do not engage in close combat with MIG 29).
    1. kotvov
      kotvov 4 June 2016 10: 44
      +1
      Bulgaria is not driven by common sense, but what is driving Ukraine now. ,,
      only not Bulgaria, but rulers. put on reigns, alas, not by the people. the majority of the people do not like this, but having entered into it ... they suffer.
  9. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 June 2016 16: 38
    0
    They cut off gas transit for themselves, now they will buy NATO scrap, is it flying, isn’t it? Why do they bend so much - it’s clear that they have no other options for life. Backyards of Europe. Elite lick the owner’s boot, wag your tail and wait for a bone. The people - to survive, how to get it.
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 4 June 2016 03: 09
      +1
      "They cut themselves off ..."
      Can I learn more from here?
      1. kotvov
        kotvov 4 June 2016 10: 47
        0
        "They cut themselves off ..."
        Could you give me more details from here ?,
        if you do not remember - ,, South Stream ,,. it is clear that not you personally, but your government has bent both under the EU and under the amers.
        1. The stranger
          The stranger 4 June 2016 18: 57
          +1
          But the matter is not in us. Even if the pipe had reached us, they would not have let us go further. And then what?
          We just wiped our hands, appointing the extreme. So that people like you could say what he said.
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  11. sir_obs
    sir_obs 3 June 2016 16: 43
    0
    And they won’t get pilots for second-hand (in all places) airplanes in order to be fully compliant.

    In general, any speech about NATO and their hangers-on can end with the Lavro DB. Maybe even this will soon become mandatory, will enter, so to speak, into the protocol.
  12. Engineer
    Engineer 3 June 2016 16: 43
    +1
    Interesting movie! And Poland means it can fly to the MiG-29 received from Germany and nothing happened to NATO standards.
  13. lukke
    lukke 3 June 2016 16: 44
    0
    The idea to buy used planes from NATO partners was supported by the majority of Bulgarian legislators - the 123 man, with 29 opposed and the 4s who abstained.
    And in Bulgaria "legislators" are elected or appointed?
    1. alexey k
      alexey k 3 June 2016 17: 14
      0
      They have an "elective-appointment" system ...
    2. 97110
      97110 3 June 2016 18: 20
      +1
      Quote: lukke
      And in Bulgaria "legislators" are elected or appointed?

      Choose the nominated ...
  14. Andrew 447
    Andrew 447 3 June 2016 16: 44
    0
    "Overseas a half-heifer, but a ruble ferry", and how much will the spare part and service cost? Or the laurels of the main idiots "brother" want to take away from the Poles?
  15. vanavatny
    vanavatny 3 June 2016 16: 48
    -1
    Why do they even need airplanes? ashamed of no air force?
    1. alexey k
      alexey k 3 June 2016 17: 15
      -2
      Migi is not needed above the thawed village
  16. Yarik
    Yarik 3 June 2016 16: 51
    0
    According to one version, the Bulgarian Ministry of Defense intends to acquire a used American F-16 fighter or European Eurofighter

    Are the ships like the river gunboats from Apocalypse Now? laughing
    1. Andrew 447
      Andrew 447 3 June 2016 16: 58
      +1
      Quote: Yarik
      Are the ships like the river gunboats from Apocalypse Now?
      No, they will buy the remnants of the fleet from x_ohlov bully
      1. vanavatny
        vanavatny 3 June 2016 19: 34
        0
        those from the fleet themselves only have a couple of fat admirals left laughing
  17. Lt. Air Force stock
    Lt. Air Force stock 3 June 2016 16: 52
    +7
    It is worth mentioning that used aircraft are not good. These are usually devices with a half-exhausted glider resource, with old avionics and electronics (which naturally affects the combat effectiveness of the application in modern realities) and an engine with obviously not new resources, but already used (engines are very expensive in% of the total cost aircraft).
    If, for example, buy an F-16 "ushatany" for half the price and estimate how much it will cost in the near future to upgrade the engine, chassis, avionics and electronics. Cheaper may even buy a new plane will be released.
    1. castle
      castle 3 June 2016 21: 35
      +1
      F-16s are too old. Bulgarians still think what to buy. In addition to the F-16, they are offered on lease the new Eurofighter and Gripen E.
  18. frekenbok
    frekenbok 3 June 2016 16: 54
    +3
    9 used aircraft. for almost lard!?!?! not cheap .. good business however))) in the presence of such Bulgarians hi
  19. x.andvlad
    x.andvlad 3 June 2016 16: 55
    0
    But which country - a NATO member, "hegemon" will allow the purchase and maintenance of military equipment in Russia, his main headache. Having joined NATO, Bulgaria has determined its own destiny. And recently the Bulgarian government has been assiduously confirming this. Now only "leftovers", alas.
  20. fanntomas
    fanntomas 3 June 2016 16: 55
    0
    Bulgaria received the first MiG-29 fighters in 1989. Now their age ranges from 20 to 27 years. Why raise a wave? At this age, the fighter, renewing the life of the glider every year must be done. What about the engines? They also need to buy. Plus we are a likely adversary for them.
  21. sania275
    sania275 3 June 2016 16: 57
    +2
    Waste of money on these used cars. One hell, the Bulgarians could never defend themselves. Probably the gangster roof in the face of NATO hit x..m on the table and ordered.
  22. nrex
    nrex 3 June 2016 17: 06
    0
    It is necessary to offer the Bulgarians to buy back the MIG 29 they do not need at the price of scrap metal +. Upgrade and resell. Buyer will find make sure.
  23. semuil
    semuil 3 June 2016 17: 07
    0
    Now they would have a rich country, they wouldn’t give it. They would grow peppers with tomatoes, they would have cheap gas. A little later they would make the F-35 buy and then complete the economy. This is the case with everyone who wants a jet and a bright European future .
  24. jovanni
    jovanni 3 June 2016 17: 09
    +3
    Here's what the Americans are able to do, so it is to vtyuhivat ushatannoe junk to their "associates". And those are happy to the point of unconsciousness that they are allowed to buy ... We, I remember, in Soviet times, delivered new things to many allies free of charge. And in vain, we were handed over anyway, when it blew from the west ...
  25. maks007
    maks007 3 June 2016 17: 13
    -1
    Quote: fanntomas
    Bulgaria received the first MiG-29 fighters in 1989. Now their age ranges from 20 to 27 years. Why raise a wave? At this age, the fighter, renewing the life of the glider every year must be done. What about the engines? They also need to buy. Plus we are a likely adversary for them.

    If you correctly answer this question about the enemy, and not through some sort of NATO prism and with open eyes, give an assessment of how you say that they are changing
    MiG-29 their age ranges from 20 to 27 years
    on
    used aircraft from NATO partners
    where any NATO partner with such an application will shove the equipment that in fact and in appearance should only take off leaving behind the best, and there will still be a question about age.

    The correct answer in the post above from
    x.andvlad
    By joining NATO, Bulgaria itself determined its fate.

  26. Barakuda
    Barakuda 3 June 2016 17: 20
    +1
    9 airplanes. That's cool. In Crimea, there were fewer Khokhlostan. winked Already 2-va Mig-29. And then, after visiting Yanukovych. Pill bent - enough to steal shamelessly.
  27. LÄRZ
    LÄRZ 3 June 2016 17: 25
    +1
    The acquisition of the NATO second-hand air carrier indicates the complete independence of Bulgaria ... from its own opinion. Pay, guys, pay.
  28. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 3 June 2016 17: 25
    0
    The Americans kill two birds with one stone, they don’t bring in used equipment for free (green lard), and I’m sure they will solve the problem with the Bulgarians about transferring MiGs to non-warriors.
  29. fa2998
    fa2998 3 June 2016 17: 25
    +2
    Quote: Darkmor
    Well, this is a targeted loan - as if the Bulgarians were choosing something ...

    890 million bucks for 9 second-hand aircraft, yes, it's almost 100 million for the plane! We speak of corruption, but the "brothers" also saw in black.
    The Germans when they got the MiG-29 into their dowry - they didn’t have any joy, all the MiG's training battles were won with a crushing score. Oh, the Bulgarians! Two world wars fought against Russia, there will be a third, you are again against us! negative hi
  30. Kirill750
    Kirill750 3 June 2016 17: 34
    -3
    Yes, the Bulgarians completely lowered you neither dignity nor intelligence, you are slaves !!!!! CONGRATULATIONS
  31. Abbra
    Abbra 3 June 2016 17: 39
    -3
    Eh, bros ... Apparently the Turkish seed has not yet exhausted itself ...
  32. Alexandr-NVR
    Alexandr-NVR 3 June 2016 17: 41
    +2
    For almost 100 lyam for 1 used fighter ?! )))))))))))))
    However ... doesn’t the amount alarm anyone? This is the price of the new F-35!

    From Wiki:
    Unit value $ 34 million (F-16D Block 52)
    Unit Cost $ 57 Million (F / A-18F Super Hornet)
    Unit cost planned at the beginning of a full-scale
    large-scale production in 2019:
    F-35A: $ 83,4 million
    F-35B: $ 108,1 million
    F-35C: $ 93,3 million
  33. volodya
    volodya 3 June 2016 17: 47
    +1
    Our MIGs to change to overseas scrap metal? Very good Bulgarians came up with, I liked it!
  34. AID.S
    AID.S 3 June 2016 17: 57
    0
    Looks like logs can not Romanians repair their MiGs or they can, but without a guarantee.
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  36. pts-m
    pts-m 3 June 2016 18: 16
    0
    Yeah. That's their price at residual value. Really the Bulgarians do not have reasonable people. What they wanted, they got it.
  37. Arkan
    Arkan 3 June 2016 18: 26
    +1
    Bulgaria "to comply with NATO standards" will replace the MiG-29 with "used" aircraft of Western manufacturers.


    The word is retained, you can safely replace it with not yet reclaimed. The disposal site for the decommissioned equipment has been determined. In NATO, these are junior squire partners, which is a pity to throw out to the owner and sells to servants.
    1. LÄRZ
      LÄRZ 3 June 2016 19: 16
      0
      Quote: Arkan
      that the owner is sorry to throw, sells to servants.

      Why should it be lost? I flew myself, let another. An interesting picture turns out: "to comply with NATO standards" the planes of the satellites must be used, right?
  38. 97110
    97110 3 June 2016 18: 27
    -3
    Already 2 hours as the publication has passed, and the Bulgarian conferences are silent. Has it gotten sick yourself? So let’s continue about "not to confuse the Bulgarian people with the government."
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 3 June 2016 19: 08
      +4
      And what to say? If without a mat, then there’s nothing to say.
      Upload portraits of our "politicians" - you won't believe it at all, there is no such thing even in Country 404.
      Lord, when will it all end ...
  39. wagner72
    wagner72 3 June 2016 19: 01
    0
    I’m wondering where this Tsatska will take the money for scrap metal? Bulgaria is barely making ends meet, most likely they will beg for the ECB.
  40. Waroc
    Waroc 3 June 2016 19: 05
    0
    And it’s a pity to sell normal ships to all sorts of little things — we ourselves need to, and they’re still normal - they’re still swimming ... after 5 years they will grow old to the state of complete scrap metal, then they will sell scrap metal to fools at the price of new ships !!!
  41. K-50
    K-50 3 June 2016 19: 20
    +1
    The speaker of the Bulgarian parliament, Tsetsk Tsacheva, announced that the country's defense ministry will purchase up to 9 used fighters from the countries of the North Atlantic Alliance for a total of approximately $ 860 million.

    Lope, lope? belay
    Yes, with that kind of money, they could also get novies from Russia and still have the change left! laughing
  42. Stinger
    Stinger 3 June 2016 19: 45
    0
    Why waste time on trifles? Buy a decommissioned aircraft carrier and close the issue with both the fleet and aviation forever. And swim in shit. Forward "brothers"! That's what NATO is for.
  43. masiya
    masiya 3 June 2016 20: 03
    -5
    "Brothers", as always, gave the heat - the fact that they are racing to the amers in the ass is nothing surprising, only sorry for the life of our soldiers sincerely going to death for the release of these figures from the Turks, and the Fritzes, although in WW2 they were on the side of the 3rd In recent years, these Bulgarian deputies have done a lot of shit, right, as if they were smeared with honey in hell, for their tricks in the country.
  44. RedBaron
    RedBaron 3 June 2016 20: 15
    0
    This contract includes maintenance and repairs for the entire period of operation, this time, a NATO member country cannot possibly have weapons of a potential adversary, in which case who will supply spare parts? And now this "loan" will eventually be written off as And the Russian Federation $ 14 billion Syria fellow
  45. andrewkor
    andrewkor 3 June 2016 20: 26
    0
    The German pilot who flew on the GDR MiG-29 cried when he drove them to Poland for an exchange.
  46. skaramaks27
    skaramaks27 3 June 2016 21: 10
    0
    I didn’t read the comments as soon as I read the name, letter ... change the letter of the TOTAL one in the name !!!!
  47. kaban7
    kaban7 3 June 2016 21: 59
    0
    How "correct" is the NATO bloc treating its partners - it makes them buy leftovers ...
  48. Enoch
    Enoch 3 June 2016 22: 06
    -1
    There is no silver lining - tapery clearly fuck brother. Nothing good in their pamidors.
    1. Ros 56
      Ros 56 3 June 2016 22: 26
      0
      Quote: monk
      Nothing good in their pamidors.


      Well, it’s you for nothing, they had a good night.
      Well, now why, the Phantoms will drive them to the sixty shaggy year of release, if they find of course, no one will ask them. They will now be in Oyrop instead of Indians. And they’ll go to shed blood for the striped ones, that's just where, really again on us, oh yes bros. Yes, with such brothers and enemies is not necessary.
  49. podgornovea
    podgornovea 3 June 2016 22: 42
    0
    Bulgaria "to meet NATO standards" will replace the MiG-29 with "used" aircraft of Western manufacturers

    A moment like "in oil", do I understand correctly how this news is presented?
    Well, ask them where they’ll throw them out, and put a post there so as not to miss! soldier
    Take back (without even taking it out of the package) and deal with the end.

    Or maybe they are in such a state as Ukrainian? belay
    Somehow an article about paga (nd) naya.

    PS nothing personal request
  50. Pitot
    Pitot 4 June 2016 04: 17
    -1
    It's not that they are changing MiGs. And in the fact that again Bulgaria got into an alliance that is directed against Russia. Then again they will cry .....
    1. The stranger
      The stranger 4 June 2016 04: 30
      +1
      Cry Again?
      Please remind us when we did this last time.
      Anti-Russian unions disintegrated not without our help.
      Filter the market, okay?
      1. Zheka40
        Zheka40 4 June 2016 09: 55
        0
        Stayed in the 90s? follow the vocabulary!