Media: The Ministry of Defense of the Russian Federation adopted the concept of the development of military aeronautics

The main defense department of Russia decided to revive military aeronautics. According to representatives of the Ministry of Defense of the country, balloons and airships for military purposes will be able to supplement the niche of use in a certain segment. drones. The material that the RF Ministry of Defense adopted the concept of the development of military aeronautics, the implementation of which is designed for the period until 2025, appeared in the newspaper "News".

Former employee of the 30 Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense Alexey Leonkov told Izvestia that military balloons could be used to monitor the situation on the battlefield. For a long time they can be at one point above the terrain beyond the reach of the interception means.

It is noted that military aeronautics is actively used in some countries of the world. Thus, in the United States, balloons and airships are introduced into the system of state border protection in the Mexican sector. With the help of cameras and sensors installed on the means of aeronautics, the dividing line is monitored, the traffic of smuggled goods and illegal immigrants are detected.

One of the domestic military aerostats was demonstrated during the exhibition of unmanned aerial vehicles, held a couple of weeks ago in the suburbs. Flight tests of an unmanned airship DP-29 are being conducted.

Aeronautical equipment was also used in Syria - to protect the airspace above the Khmeimim airbase, as well as to ensure safety over Palmyra during the historic concert of the Mariinsky Theater.

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[Vladimirets]

"Ex-employee of the 30th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, Alexei Leonkov, told Izvestia that military balloons can be used to monitor the situation on the battlefield. They can stay at one point above the ground for a long time, out of the reach of interceptors."

I'm sorry, is he delusional? At what height should it hang "out of the reach of interceptors"? In near space?

"For example, in the United States, balloons and airships have been introduced into the system of protecting the state border in the Mexican sector. Cameras and sensors installed on aeronautics monitor the dividing strip, and detect the traffic of smuggled goods and illegal immigrants."

Well, it’s still suitable for this, illegal immigrants have neither MANPADS, nor airplanes, nor helicopters.

[CORNET]

Well, if only on its territory, for communication .... otherwise it will be so!

[Reserve officer]

"Military balloons can be used to monitor the situation on the battlefield. They can stay in one point above the terrain for a long time, out of the reach of interceptors."

Something I did not understand this phrase. Over the battlefield? What height should be? Explain who is in the subject.

[Leto]

Quote: Reserve officer

Something I did not understand this phrase. Over the battlefield? What height should be? Explain who is in the subject.

We can recall the experience of using balloons in WW2, when the Germans had to raise aircraft to destroy the balloons of artillery gunners, it was impossible to cope otherwise. Now a balloon with a surveillance system can disrupt any sortie of the enemy, because electronic-optical means can detect the movement of "suspicious persons" around the clock and provide guidance to weapons.

[V.ic]

Quote: CORNET

..it will be so!

If the filler is hydrogen. If helium, then it is needed 4 times more than "Ash two".

[Red_Hamer]

Hydrogen in the past, now like helium. As a reconnaissance drone, why not? There were even projects for the transport of goods, why not?

[Leto]

Quote: Red_Hamer

Hydrogen in the past, now like helium.

Not true. Now using a hydrogen-helium mixture in safe proportions.

[ohtandur]

on the topic I remembered the armada of airships from RedAlert we’ll throw off all joy to enemies from above ... But seriously, I think in certain cases there is a sense. Especially in standby situations, positional.

[drunkram]

in 1-do not confuse the citizen with military aerostats, they will be living, in the second they spoke already for an unmanned model

[FID]

No, because of the moon ... In the near space, the Chinese can bring down!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: SSI

In near space, the Chinese can bring down!

And that is true.

[x.andvlad]

These funds will work only in peacetime or in local conflicts with a weakly equipped enemy, because there is no such height for the airship that it would not get modern means of interception.

[CORNET]

Let them fly, and then we'll see ....! The "perimeter" still exists!

[Rus2012]

Quote: x.andvlad

so that he would not get modern means of interception.

... about the "balloon-easy prey", is it worth reading -

But if until the middle of the 50-ies the Soviet troops somehow managed to maintain the inviolability of state borders, then in 1954, the last frontier collapsed. The reason for this was the emergence in service of Western intelligence agencies automatic drifting balloons (ADA), which were able to rise to great heights, thus becoming inaccessible to fighters. They were equipped with the latest intelligence equipment and launched from military bases in Norway, Germany, Italy, France and Turkey. The ADA could reach heights up to 30 kilometers, so even the Soviet MiG-15bis, Yak-25 and MiG-17P, which operated at an altitude up to 15 kilometers, were unable to reach them. Therefore, aerostats successfully carried out reconnaissance over virtually the entire Soviet territory. The air defense forces of the USSR had no choice but to fix their appearance.

True, some ADA were shot down. The first of them was destroyed in the 1954 year near Chernivtsi at an altitude of 10 kilometers using the MiG-17P. A few days later the Soviet pilots once again tried to shoot down the balloon, but this time they did not succeed.

The period of the most active ADA began in the 1956 year, when in only two months the Soviet borders broke about 3 thousands of balloons. And for 20 years, 4112 balls were recorded, of which 793 was shot down.

and further -

Tu-128 crews had to fight with automatic drifting balloons equipped with reconnaissance equipment, which in those years the Americans launched in abundance into our airspace, having previously studied the air currents over our territory. The capture of the airborne radar and the launch of missiles was carried out on containers with equipment, since the balloons themselves were too low-contrast radar target (apparently due to special coating). The fight with them was not easy.

For example, in the late 1970's. the crew of Major V. Sirotkin from the 518-th uploaded two balls. In the second case, the ball was shot down only by firing all four P-4 missiles. Since not only Americans “dabbled” in such balloons, the Tu-128 had to get rid of their similar “products”, which went astray and began to pose a threat to both civilian and military aircraft. In June 1974, six Soviet balloons, according to the "bad" whim of air currents, changed the direction of their free flight and began to approach the Chinese border in Kazakhstan. The crew of Colonel N. Gaidukov from the 356 ap who was on combat duty was lifted to intercept them, and he hit one ball out of six. Then another half-dozen regiment cars with less experienced crews went to intercept, but they were unable to shoot down a single balloon ...

[Saratoga833]

Quote: x.andvlad

there is no such height for the airship that modern means of interception would not get it.

As they used to say: "Each vegetable has its own time." Aerostat has its own niche in military affairs! He has a very specific range of tasks. As for "knocking down" - you can knock down anything you want, but this does not mean at all that balloons are not needed! With a competent task setting, taking into account specific conditions, this thing can be extremely useful!

[Alex_Rarog]

But what is your height of 10 km, for example, not height? MANPADS will not take and he will not see you !!! but the rifle will not get it !!!!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

But what is your height of 10 km, for example, not height? MANPADS will not take and he will not see you !!! but the rifle will not get it !!!!

But is it meant that the enemy has no aviation at all?

[Leto]

Quote: Vladimirets

But is it meant that the enemy has no aviation at all?

Do you know how much manpower and money went into the destruction of American reconnaissance probes flying into the USSR at one time? That was still flour.

[Blondy]

Quote: Vladimirets

"Ex-employee of the 30th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, Alexei Leonkov, told Izvestia that military balloons can be used to monitor the situation on the battlefield. They can stay at one point above the ground for a long time, out of the reach of interceptors."

I'm sorry, is he delusional? At what height should it hang "out of the reach of interceptors"? In near space?

"For example, in the United States, balloons and airships have been introduced into the system of protecting the state border in the Mexican sector. Cameras and sensors installed on aeronautics monitor the dividing strip, and detect the traffic of smuggled goods and illegal immigrants."

Well, the justification, sheer nonsense, one can’t do without looking at the mattresses. Yes, in our one sixth of land there are a lot of places where only a helicopter can fly, including garrisons. So the airships for cargo transportation, or men from some point in the nearest town in the dismissal will be delivered just right.

[APASUS]

Quote: Vladimirets

I'm sorry, is he delusional? At what height should it hang "out of the reach of interceptors"? In near space?

If at the time of the Second World War aerostats could hang on 6000 m, then modern ones can be limited only by the desire of the operator and the task.

The maximum lift height of the barrage balloon is about 2500 meters. The Red Army figured out how to raise them much higher: by connecting three balloons in series, they reached the ceiling of 6300 meters.
More details: http://vm.ru/news/2015/03/18/aerostati-zagrazhdeniya-na-zashchite-moskovskogo-ne
ba-281414.html

[tiredwithall]

Whatever they say, airships have their own segment both in the army and in the civilian sphere. For example, trucking. Aviation is more expensive.

[V.ic]

Is helium enough? It’s very expensive gas.

[cesar65]

Airships can be used as AWACS. They can be in the air for a long time, unlike airplanes.

[Vladimirets]

Quote: cesar65

unlike airplanes.

Unlike airplanes, airships have a large windage, so they have great restrictions on the strength of the wind.

[Alex_Rarog]

Do not confuse the airship and the balloon !!! the airship has engines and steering, including !!!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: Alex_Rarog

Do not confuse a blimp and a balloon

I do not confuse.

Quote: Alex_Rarog

the airship has engines and steering, including !!!

And about this, too, in the know. Do you want to say that he does not sail? With its area, no steering engines will help with a serious wind.

[Genry]

Quote: Vladimirets

airships have a large windage, therefore, have great restrictions on the strength of the wind

A modern carbon fiber rope tied to a package of reinforced concrete blocks can solve this problem.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Vladimirets

therefore have great limitations on wind strength

/// knowing the "wind rose", you can safely use it ... Which is what they do.

[Freeman]

Quote: cesar65

Airships can be used as AWACS. They can be in the air for a long time, unlike airplanes.

And also as a means of anti-aircraft defense, they can tow a gas engine like a helicopter and have weapons on board.

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Give the country heavy airships with long-range air-to-air missiles.

[31rus2]

Dear, that’s why MO even cares about airships, and the Ministry of Finance doesn’t even care about these finances, maybe, like in China, betray the Ministry of Finance to MO and make management, I think the benefit would be tangible, but the rats themselves run away just catch it, yes plant

[Blondy]

Quote: 31rus2

Dear, that’s why MO even cares about airships, and the Ministry of Finance doesn’t even care about these finances, maybe, like in China, betray the Ministry of Finance to MO and make management, I think the benefit would be tangible, but the rats themselves run away just catch it, yes plant

Even girlish fantasies overpowered me: to take Kuzhugetych with his team and once again toss them higher by nails, and the current government will give a fuck. I think Kuzhetychev team with its management system and the entire Russian economy will pull.

[Barakuda]

Well, that’s it. I went to read Jules Verne. there may be more benefit.

[LÄRZ]

So, we call Bumbarash new to the service? Why not try it? "What the hell is not joking while God sleeps." If only customers and developers would be in the real world, and not in their own, fictional.

[Manul]

Helium seems to become too volatile at low temperatures and it is difficult to provide perfect sealing for it - anyway, it will find some kind of microcrack .. This means a limit on the height and time of the year. The wind, again .. Still unreliable. Even Jules Verne talked about this

Quote: cesar65

Airships can be used as AWACS. They can be in the air for a long time, unlike airplanes.

This variant of application seems to me the most optimal. For the protection of strategic objects for example.

[Rus2012]

Quote: Manul

Helium seems too volatile at low temperatures

balloons (balloons) - are also heated, heated. For example, the type of high school for riding the public (see below).
And there are complex schemes using heat from drive-block engines ...

[Manul]

Quote: Rus2012

balloons (balloons) - are also heated, heated. For example, the type of high school for riding the public (see below).
And there are complex schemes using heat from drive-block engines ...

Rus, it seemed like it was about airships. The thermal circuit is suitable for balloons, for entertainment. For serious purposes, you need a "constant" lift.

[00001]

The last century of giants

[Leto]

On the topic of balloons. The US Congress practically buried the JLENS balloon radar detection system without allocating the necessary amount to continue the work. And this is despite the fact that the system has confirmed its effectiveness. So there is an opportunity to surpass the Yankees.

[Skubudu]

If you are creative in this matter and develop tactics of application, the result will be

[masiya]

And that there aren’t enough drones, why should such consumables be fenced, a creative approach on this topic was in the Second World War when protecting the sky of Moscow, what you’ll see from them now (there are satellites), how to protect them (they’ll be too big and vulnerable) for which to develop a stillborn branch Aviation - what kind of ballooning ... this is fun for extreme people and no more.

[Laksamana besar]

The balloon will be replaced by satellites:

The Russian manufacturer of airships and balloons - Avgur Aeronautical Center (VC) CJSC - intends to promptly provide communications to the Arctic zone of the Russian Federation by deploying a system of balloon complexes (SKA) there. It is designed to become a platform for creating an integrated telecommunication network and to supplement or replace the satellite communication system in high-elliptical orbit (HEO) A working group has already been organized for this project, which includes the Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications.

Mikhail Talesnikov, Commercial Director of CJSC Exhibition Center "Augur", spoke about this at the VIII International Conference Satellite Russia & CIS 2016, organized by ComNews Conferences.

According to him, over the past year, Avgur has received many requests from organizations and institutions working in the Arctic regarding the provision of this zone with communications using the SKA. In addition, the Ministry of Telecom and Mass Communications turned to the manufacturer of balloons. "The initiative came from the ministry. The issue of communication in the Arctic has not yet been resolved. With the help of satellites it will take a long time: satellites in the geostationary orbit (GSO) in the northern zones do not work, and spacecraft on the VEO have not yet been launched. We were asked to develop an operational option for distributing communications from a balloon, "Mikhail Talesnikov said.

Read more:
http://www.comnews.ru/node/100605

[weksha50]

I do not know ...

My personal opinion is that balloons and airships can be of great benefit to both the Armed Forces and the "citizen" only and precisely in peacetime ...

Already in the threatened period, their value will be reduced to zero ...

[Alnair]

It's cool that this concept was adopted at the same time as the United States closed its flaky balloon program:

http://sputniknews.com/military/20160528/1040399785/Military-Committees-Shut-Dow
-Blimp-Program.html

[Zomanus]

No, of course it's a cool thing. As reconnaissance / target designation is so generally very effective.
In some ways, even give odds to drones.

[sergey2017]

Quote: Vladimirets

"Ex-employee of the 30th Central Research Institute of the Ministry of Defense, Alexei Leonkov, told Izvestia that military balloons can be used to monitor the situation on the battlefield. They can stay at one point above the ground for a long time, out of the reach of interceptors."

I'm sorry, is he delusional? At what height should it hang "out of the reach of interceptors"? In near space?

"For example, in the United States, balloons and airships have been introduced into the system of protecting the state border in the Mexican sector. Cameras and sensors installed on aeronautics monitor the dividing strip, and detect the traffic of smuggled goods and illegal immigrants."

Well, it’s still suitable for this, illegal immigrants have neither MANPADS, nor airplanes, nor helicopters.

The US armed forces began testing quite exotic for the 1,4st century combat aircraft - balloons designed to detect, track and intercept cruise missiles. These will be the largest aircraft that the US military has ever used in military operations. The project cost $ 74 billion. The complex includes two 2009-meter balloons, radar equipment, mobile parking and communication facilities. In December 200, they plan to install all the necessary electronic stuffing and launch into the air. Balloons are used at an altitude of about three kilometers to detect and escort cruise missiles within a radius of 30 kilometers. The system will remain in the air for up to XNUMX days, followed by eight hours of maintenance on the ground. As you know, aircraft with radar equipment and ground-based systems are now used to detect and track cruise missiles in the United States. The latter cannot detect missile launches beyond the horizon and do not see targets beyond the barriers in the form of mountains. In addition, the implementation of the tasks of detecting and tracking cruise missiles using aircraft requires large financial costs and efforts. Balloons will now partially remove these problems. In addition, during the crisis, they will reduce the need for expensive aircraft.

[Whowhy]

Airships have enormous potential: from cargo transportation to hard-to-reach areas and very comfortable passenger "liners" to replacing the first stages of space rockets. Confidence in airships was undermined in the 30s of the last century due to errors in the design of large load-bearing structures.
In addition to gas airships, there are also thermal and vacuum airships, which can consist entirely of metal. ).

[drunkram]

I apologize, but I could not resist: