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BARs "Barys" at the exhibition KADEX 2016

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At the KADEX 2016 exhibition, one of the most interesting exhibits presented by the Kazakh side is the Barys APC, created by the Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering company together with the Russian UVZ, writes Messenger of Mordovia.


BARs "Barys" at the exhibition KADEX 2016


“The presented version differs from the previously demonstrated options in that it strengthened the booking and mine protection. The machine has a wheel formula 8х8 and has improved mobility characteristics, ”the agency notes.



But the 57-mm combat module AU-220М “Baikal”, created by the Nizhny Novgorod Central Research Institute “Burevestnik” (included in UVZ), causes the greatest interest among visitors.



“The AU-220M is a remote-controlled system designed to be installed on advanced and upgraded armored combat vehicles in order to increase the firepower of motorized rifle subunits,” according to information distributed at the exhibition.



With an automatic cannon, which has a firing rate of up to 120 shots / min, a machine gun of 7 caliber, 62 mm is paired.

It is noted that "the module rotates on 360 hail, capable of hitting targets vertically: from minus 5 to plus 75 hail."
Photos used:
Press center UVZ
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  1. Zaurbek
    Zaurbek 3 June 2016 12: 56
    +3
    If the ATGM is not installed, then there should be information on the warhead and ammunition shells for the gun
    1. HERMES
      HERMES 3 June 2016 12: 59
      +5
      A curious thing .... unlike simple modifications of Soviet technology.

      And here is the Azerbaijan-South Africa MRAP:




      And the Soviet basis:
      ZKDM:

      ZTR-70M SIMSEK
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 3 June 2016 13: 12
        +1
        South African people have long been engaged in similar machines.
        1. Blackgrifon
          Blackgrifon 3 June 2016 20: 14
          0
          Quote: dmi.pris
          South African people have long been engaged in similar machines.

          So this is the Boers;) their machines and localized production
      2. Vladimirets
        Vladimirets 3 June 2016 15: 05
        0
        Quote: HERMES
        ZTR-70M SIMSEK

        Interestingly, and the barrel casing has what function?
        1. Kasym
          Kasym 3 June 2016 17: 19
          +4
          The fact is that the South African cars do not have 8 * 8, max. 6 * 6.
          They talked about this car last year. In fact, this is the joint development paid by Kazakhstan for South Africa-Russia. This approach is very pleasing when they themselves incl. in developing what we specifically need. There KAMAZ and the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation (weapons) took part. I did not think that they would do everything so quickly. Yes, and it was hard to believe - they love the authorities to promise.
          I am glad that the module was used. The fact is that this gun was developed in the 70s for the Navy, where the range is important (12km). I don’t know how the cannon will really hit in range, but it is automated (100-120 rounds per minute). By firepower only BMP-3 and tanks are more powerful. So the infantry needs it, especially since it is well protected for armored personnel carriers.
          Now the question is about the series and the number. It is clear that the Russian Federation is hardly needed. But for yourself it is necessary first of all, especially since KAMAZ spare parts should not be considered a problem. hi
  2. Skubudu
    Skubudu 3 June 2016 12: 59
    -13%
    Again Burevesnik got with his AU-220M "Baikal"
    1. Gvas1174
      Gvas1174 3 June 2016 13: 08
      +5
      Well, why not ?! In principle, an interesting solution
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 3 June 2016 13: 15
        -10%
        Quote: Gvas1174
        Well, why not ?!


        Yes, because the political situation inside Kazakhstan can change at any time. Today it’s like friends, and tomorrow - yours is not my understanding. Is it not clear?
        1. x.andvlad
          x.andvlad 3 June 2016 13: 28
          +8
          Well, not Russia will suffer from this. We have our own developments in armored personnel carriers, and quite promising. Our combat modules find their buyer, and this is a payload for our defense industry.
          And in general, a rather interesting car.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 3 June 2016 15: 06
            -8
            Quote: x.andvlad
            Well, not Russia will suffer from this.

            It is Russia that will suffer from this. When all this iron goes against Russia.
            1. Alibekulu
              Alibekulu 3 June 2016 15: 21
              +8
              Quote: Skubudu
              Again Burevesnik got with his AU-220M "Baikal"
              No wink but that's purely visual, och looks cool good as a mother, I do not know how the functionality ..
              Quote: wanderer_032
              It is Russia that will suffer from this.
              Yeah lol Hey urus dan come on laughing you have overdue payments for several centuries ..
              1. wanderer_032
                wanderer_032 3 June 2016 18: 23
                0
                Quote: Alibekulu
                Yeah Hey Urus, come on, let’s you have a late payment for several centuries ..


                Yes Yes.
            2. Talgat
              Talgat 3 June 2016 17: 35
              +9
              Quote: wanderer_032
              When all this iron goes against Russia.


              Well, I don’t even know what to say. Delirium or provocation. In almost every Kazakh family, grandfather or great-grandfather fought in the Second World War, and Kazakhs remember their grandfathers

              Who who. and Kazakhstan, even in the worst nightmare, does not seem to be an adversary of Russia - on the contrary, it is a friend and, in general, it seems like integration is going on. we are the components of great Eurasia - a common history, a common present and one future

              Stop all sorts of weird fantasies
              1. wanderer_032
                wanderer_032 3 June 2016 18: 27
                +1
                Quote: Talgat
                In almost every Kazakh family, grandfather or great-grandfather fought in the Second World War, and Kazakhs remember their grandfathers


                Nevertheless, this does not prevent expressing the current Kazakh youth to express in every possible way their negative attitude towards the Russians. And everywhere, in everyday life. Is not it?

                And about the delirium, as I personally am acquainted with a sufficient number of people who came from Kazakhstan to Russia for permanent residence. They told a lot of interesting things on this topic. First-hand information.
                1. Talgat
                  Talgat 3 June 2016 18: 56
                  +4
                  Quote: wanderer_032
                  the current Kazakh youth in every possible way to express their negative

                  juggling is actually a lie. There is no need to pass off a marginal minority as all "youth". If you look like this, then each republic has its own marginalized "Nazis" - or skinheads, etc.

                  And young people - I see her every day - and at work - and on the way home - and in cafes and visiting in the suburbs, etc.
                  But I didn’t see any section on nations - walk along the street - you will see how Russians and Kazakhs are walking together - among them are Korean and Dungan and others. The same is in the teams. There is really no sort of ethnic confrontation as you are trying to describe.
                  1. wanderer_032
                    wanderer_032 3 June 2016 19: 18
                    -5
                    Quote: Talgat
                    And young people - I see her every day - and at work - and on the way home - and in cafes and visiting in the suburbs, etc.
                    But I didn’t see any section on nations - walk along the street - you will see how Russians and Kazakhs are walking together - among them are Korean and Dungan and others. The same is in the teams. There is really no sort of ethnic confrontation as you are trying to describe.


                    If so, why have Russian people massively left Kazakhstan for many years? Apparently from a good life.
                    1. Kasym
                      Kasym 3 June 2016 20: 27
                      +6
                      Wanderer 032. For the whole last year, a little more than 30 people left (all nationalities) from the Republic of Kazakhstan. - this is less than 000% of the population. What kind of mass are we talking about if only one third of Russians have left the Russian Federation since the days of the USSR? And why do we need to hang noodles if there are a lot of Kazakhstani Russians on the site. Ask them yourself better than to say something. hi
                      1. Gvas1174
                        Gvas1174 3 June 2016 22: 41
                        +4
                        Kasym, respect and respect
                    2. Talgat 148
                      Talgat 148 5 June 2016 12: 40
                      +2
                      Wanderer where do you come from ??? With such brown impudent information ??? Well, at least a little take an interest in life in Kazakhstan !!!
        2. Vladimirets
          Vladimirets 3 June 2016 15: 05
          +2
          Quote: wanderer_032
          Yes, because the political situation inside Kazakhstan can change at any time. Today it’s like friends, and tomorrow - yours is not my understanding. Is it not clear?

          Living is generally dangerous. wink
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 3 June 2016 15: 12
            -2
            Quote: Vladimirets
            Living is generally dangerous.


            For a separate contingent - life is always beautiful.



            Or something like that:



            Campaigning the local contingent hanging out now in the VO, is these two pronounced psycho-types.
        3. Buffet
          Buffet 3 June 2016 16: 17
          +3
          How did you get all the crawlers ... And as for the Baikal module, well, go to UVZ to work. Offer and do better, once so smart.
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 3 June 2016 17: 33
            -4
            Quote: SHVEDsky_stol
            How did you get all the scouts ...


            How did you get ridiculous duffers. So, what is next?
        4. Gvas1174
          Gvas1174 3 June 2016 22: 34
          +3
          Here you are, brother, I think you are greatly mistaken, for, alas, and praise be to the Almighty, Kazakhstan without Russia is too tidbit for many who, having a human resource, do not have a resource of minerals, and just land. This applies not only to China, but also to its closest neighbors, with whom "misunderstandings" are ruled out mainly by Russia.
          Unlike China and Uzbekistan, as well as Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan is the only real, albeit forced, but friend and normal neighbor.
          Another confirmation of this: right on the eve of the "events" on May 21, to whom did Elbasy go? In short, it is necessary to look deeper, although much is on the surface. Plus, a large segment of the manufacturing, trading and non-mining industries is watching the interest of the Russian, not to mention a considerable percentage of Russian-speaking people, including Kazakhs.
          This is so offhand
    2. dmi.pris
      dmi.pris 3 June 2016 13: 09
      +2
      Why don’t you like him? People work, create new weapons .. If he has become someone across the road, there should be healthy competition ..
      Quote: Skubudu
      Again Burevesnik got with his AU-220M "Baikal"
      1. Altona
        Altona 3 June 2016 14: 58
        0
        Quote: dmi.pris
        Why don’t you like him? People work, create new weapons .. If he has become someone across the road, there should be healthy competition ..

        ------------------
        In principle, yes, the photo shows a commercial product with already traditional solutions. Nothing really new is visible.
    3. avt
      avt 3 June 2016 13: 32
      +3
      Quote: Skubudu
      Again Burevesnik got with his AU-220M "Baikal"

      Well, here - any whim for your money. I like it - to sell it without looking like that Terminator. ”They seemed to want to assemble it at their own production site from the existing T-72 buildings, well, they need to help, although for me they would modernize the T-72, like on the next branch But this is their choice. Well, on the whole, articles about the exhibition were gradually sent good We are waiting for article about photo-turntables and airplanes.
    4. Berkut24
      Berkut24 3 June 2016 13: 40
      +5
      After light armored vehicles and helicopters switched to the 30mm caliber, the armor manufacturers broke into a cake so that the light armor could hold this projectile. Accordingly, 57 mm today levels out all the efforts of "armored workers" over the past 10 years. Now again everything for the chemical production and for the drawing boards ...
      1. Altona
        Altona 3 June 2016 15: 01
        +1
        Quote: Berkut24
        Accordingly, 57 mm today levels out all the efforts of "armored workers" over the past 10 years.

        -------------------
        Yes, many manufacturers have rather foreseen such a scenario. Then there will be a modular armor hitching in.
  3. Vasyan1971
    Vasyan1971 3 June 2016 13: 04
    +5
    Exactly Paramount Engineering, not Paramount Pictures? But in general it’s not a bad thing. More armored vehicles are good and different! And if Russian-made modules are used, it’s so simple - a nonsense!
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 3 June 2016 13: 12
      -9
      Quote: Vasyan1971
      And if Russian-made modules are used, it’s so simple - a nonsense!

      And when local Natsiks come to power in Kazakhstan, "lepota" will grow exponentially.
      As a result, we get our own fat on our own tinsel.
      1. Victorio
        Victorio 3 June 2016 13: 32
        -3
        Quote: wanderer_032
        Quote: Vasyan1971
        And if Russian-made modules are used, it’s so simple - a nonsense!

        And when to power in Kazakhstan local natsiks will come - "petty" will grow exponentially.
        As a result, we get our own fat on our own tinsel.

        ===
        taking into account the fact that the elite kids are often trained / savvy in the countries of the enlightened west, then a completely possible option
        1. wanderer_032
          wanderer_032 3 June 2016 14: 39
          -4
          Judging by the number of cons and the silence of the lambs, I'm not far from the truth. laughing
          1. wanderer_032
            wanderer_032 3 June 2016 14: 45
            -7
            Video from Kazakh "friends". Moment of Truth:



            You can come in and see the comments.
            1. wanderer_032
              wanderer_032 3 June 2016 14: 50
              +3
              All this is distributed by a certain user of UT:

              Omar Khayyam Seljuk Mathematician

              https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiI1oAds-bglUqmYVCRydgg

              As for me, a typical representative of these same Natsik.
              1. wanderer_032
                wanderer_032 3 June 2016 15: 15
                -3
                To minusoers, I can only say one thing:
                ABOUT YES? laughing laughing laughing

                You then go and hang your locators about the topic "truncated good", but here such breaks pop up and zhist in pink glasses refute. laughing laughing laughing
                1. MAGA
                  MAGA 3 June 2016 18: 33
                  +2
                  wanderer032 can you explain how a country of 17 million multinational population will invade one of the strongest countries in the world? I love strategies, especially the Victory Day series - it’s almost like a state simulator - so you’ll play for it for the Africans and try to attack the English colony. Believe me, you will learn a lot of things. Soon, by the way, the 4th part will be released the other day.
                  1. wanderer_032
                    wanderer_032 3 June 2016 19: 26
                    +2
                    Quote: MAGA
                    can you explain how the country 17mln multinational population will invade one of the strongest countries in the world?


                    And no intrusion is necessary. It is enough what happened in Ukraine when radical nationalists seized power in the country.
                    In Kazakhstan, another scenario may be used. Radical Islamists, for example, can seize power. Or some Igilovites.
                    Then they will seize military depots or bases with weapons and military equipment, and then they will begin ethnic cleansing. Those. they will begin to massively kill the remaining Russian population in order to provoke Russia to intervene.
                    Is this not enough for you?
                    1. MAGA
                      MAGA 3 June 2016 19: 45
                      +1
                      To begin with, Kazakhstan is a very important partner, especially its geographical location. In the case of such a scenario that you wrote it may be so - the PRC will immediately introduce its peacekeeping contingent there and occupy Kazakhstan to defend itself from external aggression, which is unacceptable both for Russia and the United States. Why? The Chinese economy will take out, and Russia will vryatli pull such a piece. A war between nuclear powers is simply impossible.
                      1. wanderer_032
                        wanderer_032 3 June 2016 20: 01
                        +1
                        Quote: MAGA
                        To begin with, Kazakhstan is a very important partner


                        Propaganda blah blah. Consisting of a duty set of stamped phrases.

                        Quote: MAGA
                        A war between nuclear powers is simply impossible.


                        I will ask the same question that I previously asked another.

                        You are Lord God and can guarantee on 100% that this cannot be?
                      2. MAGA
                        MAGA 3 June 2016 20: 39
                        0
                        Quote: wanderer_032
                        You are Lord God and can guarantee on 100% that this cannot be?

                        I can answer with 100% probability - reasonable people of which most are afraid of death.
                        And about the on-duty propaganda stamped phrases - answer, but is it nice when someone takes the eggs from behind?
                    2. cap
                      cap 6 June 2016 11: 06
                      0
                      Quote: MAGA
                      A war between nuclear powers is simply impossible.


                      When the stakes are so high, namely, to cut the CSTO with one blow, everything is possible. Do not forget that for your and our "partners" (hopefully former) we are all former republics of the former USSR, a defeated country (at least by their conclusion) and for To achieve their goals of world domination, THESE gentlemen are ready for EVERYTHING, including nuclear confrontation. Such plans have already been built after 1945.
                      That something like this.
                      You must stick together so as not to die alone.
                      hi
                  2. Max_Bauder
                    Max_Bauder 3 June 2016 19: 48
                    +2
                    Quote: wanderer_032
                    In Kazakhstan, another scenario may be used. Radical Islamists, for example, can seize power. Or some Igilovites.
                    Then they will seize military depots or bases with weapons and military equipment, and then they will begin ethnic cleansing. Those. they will begin to massively kill the remaining Russian population in order to provoke Russia to intervene.
                    Is this not enough for you?

                    Quote: wanderer_032
                    In Kazakhstan, another scenario may be used. Radical Islamists, for example, can seize power. Or some Igilovites.
                    Then they will seize military depots or bases with weapons and military equipment, and then they will begin ethnic cleansing. Those. they will begin to massively kill the remaining Russian population in order to provoke Russia to intervene.
                    Is this not enough for you?


                    What are you smoking dude over there? you give up this business, although you could make money on fantasies ... write books smile as the NATO general wrote, about how Russia will start the third world next year, the best-seller will be no worse than yours, I’ll even help you come up with a name - Kazakhstan. Maidan. Year 2020, fit ?!
                    If there are many people like you in Russia who will be famous (Fomenko and Zadornov walk and dibs), the more people you get as your supporters, the more you earn, so how many people fool you good
                    1. wanderer_032
                      wanderer_032 3 June 2016 20: 03
                      0
                      Quote: Max_Bauder
                      What are you smoking dude over there?


                      A similar question to you - dude.
                  3. Talgat 148
                    Talgat 148 5 June 2016 12: 47
                    0
                    Stupid script!
              2. lelikas
                lelikas 3 June 2016 19: 59
                +2
                Quote: wanderer_032
                To minusoers, I can only say one thing:
                ABOUT YES?

                Not . not abydna - just-forgotten.
          2. Samaritan
            Samaritan 3 June 2016 20: 33
            0
            And the type who asks, in American jeans! Yes, what the hell .. Is he in American clothes on the territory of Kazakhstan?
  • dmi.pris
    dmi.pris 3 June 2016 13: 14
    +2
    In general, the car is similar to the Atom project
    1. Zymran
      Zymran 3 June 2016 13: 25
      +2
      In general, this is the South African armored personnel carrier "Mbombe"
      1. dmi.pris
        dmi.pris 3 June 2016 13: 33
        +2
        Does the number of wheels bother you? Although the appearance is similar ..
        Quote: Zymran
        In general, this is the South African armored personnel carrier "Mbombe"
      2. marshes
        marshes 3 June 2016 13: 33
        +4
        Quote: Zymran
        In general, this is the South African armored personnel carrier "Mbombe"

        NOT at all, the original is 6X6. The Yuarovtsy themselves do not yet.
        IMHO, this is a joint development, some developments have been taken from other machines.
        1. Zymran
          Zymran 3 June 2016 13: 58
          +4
          Quote: dmi.pris
          Does the number of wheels bother you? Although the appearance is similar ..


          Quote: marshes
          NOT at all, the original is 6X6. The Yuarovtsy themselves do not yet.
          IMHO, this is a joint development, some developments have been taken from other machines.


          Apparently so

          Eight-Wheel

          http://ke.kz/produkcziya/zemlya/tech/baryis-8x8.html


          Six-wheeled

          http://ke.kz/produkcziya/zemlya/tech/baryis-6x6.html

          But on the Paramount Group website there are only 6 and 4 wheel options

          http://www.paramountgroup.com/capabilities/land/mbombe-4/

          http://www.paramountgroup.com/capabilities/land/mbombe-6/
    2. marshes
      marshes 3 June 2016 13: 31
      +3
      Quote: dmi.pris
      In general, the car is similar to the Atom project

      In those years, Kazakhstan was along with the United Arab Emirates to participate in the development and then the acquisition of BPM (?), BTR Franco-Russian "Atom".
      But the matter is clear how it ended.
      I had to jointly develop with South Africa, and I think it could not do without the Russian Federation.
      1. Kasym
        Kasym 3 June 2016 17: 35
        +2
        Hello fellow countrymen! There KAMAZ engineers took part, well, with UVZ, to place the module with control. I did not believe that ours would be honored, they like to hang noodles with projections. Apparently Tas himself was in charge, otherwise they would have given birth for years without a "roof". I wonder how much will be ordered for this year - they write that they will be adopted this year. hi
        1. marshes
          marshes 3 June 2016 17: 42
          +3
          Quote: Kasym
          Hello fellow countrymen! There KAMAZ engineers took part, well, with UVZ, to place the module with control. I did not believe that ours would be honored, they like to hang noodles with projections. Apparently Tas himself was in charge, otherwise they would have given birth for years without a "roof". I wonder how much will be ordered for this year - they write that they will be adopted this year.

          Su-35, they look like the Il-78 tanker, in the BTA Il-76, the Mi-35 is very necessary. The TOR 2MKM air defense missile system is modular, and can also be placed on buildings.
          As regards the courts, the "detective", Germany, Russia and Turkey declare their intention on our part.
          8x8 glad that the saga is over.
          In addition to the EU-145, there will be cheap, small collect. 125 and 130 versions.
          1. Alibekulu
            Alibekulu 3 June 2016 17: 52
            +6
            Already Gur Khan unsubscribed ..


            1. marshes
              marshes 3 June 2016 18: 04
              +3
              Quote: Alibekulu
              Already, Gur Khan has unsubscribed

              Yes, in the morning I read it.
              http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2016/06/kadex2016.html
              Vidio on the network can not find the opening and presentation, the photo was colorful.
              http://inform.kz/rus/article/2910400
              http://inform.kz/rus/article/2910141
              And we bought this from China, our identification marks are already applied.
              This drone, made in China, is of particular interest - from now on it is the first such strike drone as part of the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan. "Wing Loong" is able to deliver accurate strikes and carry out long reconnaissance missions. The flight duration is 3000 km, the maximum flight altitude is 5300 meters.
            2. Semurg
              Semurg 3 June 2016 18: 06
              +1
              This is all beautiful, but so far there is no information about the concluded contracts from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan. By the way, what chiches are we planning to modernize the equipment or is Allah also giving us.
              1. marshes
                marshes 3 June 2016 18: 12
                +2
                Quote: Semurg
                This is all beautiful, but so far there is no information about the concluded contracts from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan. By the way, what chiches are we planning to modernize the equipment or is Allah also giving us.

                Shisha is on it.
                At the expense of information, as the network already has. Belarus Su-25 will be upgraded. For SU-30,35 already concluded.
                1. Alibekulu
                  Alibekulu 3 June 2016 20: 22
                  +2
                  Quote: marshes
                  And we bought it from China, already our identification marks are marked.
                  "Kazakhstani content"repeat
                  Quote: Semurg
                  By the way, what kind of shishi are planning to modernize the equipment or Allah also gives us.
                  Agay, do you really not understand the "political essence" of public procurement request Just in view of recent and future rallies, they will be procured. A kind of element of psychological impact ..recourse
                  Well, and then the "gun instead of oil" technique has long been known
                  Quote: marshes
                  Belarus SU-25 will be upgraded
                  By the way, how do you like the Georgian-Israeli modernization of the Su-25 "Scorpion"? I had to try, like a tank repair from Ukraine, to buy from Georgia ..
                  1. marshes
                    marshes 3 June 2016 20: 28
                    +1
                    Quote: Alibekulu
                    By the way, how do you like the Georgian-Israeli modernization of the Su-25 "Scorpion"? I had to try, like a tank repair from Ukraine, to buy from Georgia ..

                    So, according to news in the future, we will carry out modernization in Astana with the Belarusians. The center is built.
          2. Kasym
            Kasym 3 June 2016 18: 28
            +1
            Swamps, where does infa about the Su-35 come from and how much? There were no doubts about IL-76 - there simply are no others. All Ant sailed away. There were no doubts about the Mi-35 either - there were few percussion drums, sometimes the hope for the Ka-52 faded, but apparently it is still expensive for us. But sooner or later it will be - almost sure. Middle Thor is good - this is expected, but thought that the Carapace would be taken. Although Thor is better in my opinion.
            I haven’t heard of the “detective” in court. What kind of attack?
            Euro helicopters are not very good for me - they will not let me earn money - they will keep me in my body. I believe that such a machine can be approached by ourselves, starting with development. We ourselves need to pay for such developments and then have the rights to the car. It is clear that we will not pull all the spare parts ourselves, but you can use foreign ones at first. This Barys seems to be working out. And here such territory and small turntables will be needed for anyone. After all, their cost, like a good car., I.e. not a plane. hi
            1. marshes
              marshes 3 June 2016 18: 48
              +1
              Quote: Kasym
              Swamps, where does infa about the Su-35 come from and how much?

              Now they are in the "rank of closed" orders. I do not like the discussion of prices in the course. smile
              Quote: Kasym
              There were no doubts about IL-76 - there simply are no others.

              Well, this is about the devastating articles about the A-400M.
              Quote: Kasym
              sometimes there was hope for the Ka-52, but apparently a little expensive for us so far.

              Expensive, but for me the Mi-35 is enough.

              Quote: Kasym
              I haven’t heard of the “detective” in court. What kind of attack?

              About the ships smile
              Quote: Kasym
              Euro helicopters are not very good for me - they will not let me earn money - they will keep me in my body. I believe that such a machine can be approached by ourselves, starting with development. We ourselves need to pay for such developments and then have the rights to the car. It is clear that we will not pull all the spare parts ourselves, but you can use foreign ones at first.

              Small aircraft are needed, even though such. Now they will turn to private traders with a 90% check, it’s time to send them to the scrap.
              Quote: Kasym
              This Barys seems to be

              Now it was not bad to break in, a demo sample, after all.
            2. Kasym
              Kasym 3 June 2016 18: 51
              +1
              It would be good, the statement of the National Academy of Sciences on May 7 speaks in favor of this. But ours can, as always. "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always", having signed a bunch of memoranda and intentions. New Su-30SM were not received last year, although the contract for the regiment. And then there's the Su-35. Therefore, there are doubts. Although, one must understand, there are no planes available and they still need to be made. Wait and see. And what about finance. After the start of the Ukrainian crisis, it was said that within several years the army would be allocated several billion dollars from savings. (I think 3) a year. But last year nothing was really visible - maybe the prepayment was made, who knows. But those Il-76s, only second-hand, in the near future. The order of the Russian Federation is too big to be squeezed in - although who knows how the GDP and NAS will decide there. hi
              1. marshes
                marshes 3 June 2016 19: 06
                0
                Quote: Kasym
                . New Su-30SM last year did not receive, although a contract for the regiment. And then there is the Su-35.

                So they did last year in April, and flew by at the parade.
                Here is the news of April 17, 2015.
                https://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/novyie-istrebiteli-su-30sm-pribyili-kazahs
                tan-uchastiya-273400 /
                this year in Vedomosti about 2 lard greens. On the acquisition. Only while there is a hitch in the models.
                Quote: Kasym
                Wait and see. And about finance. After the outbreak of the Ukrainian crisis, it was said that several billion dollars would be allocated from the savings for several years to the army. (in my opinion 3) per year. But last year, nothing really was visible - maybe the advance payments were made, who knows. But those Il-76, only used in the near future. The order from the Russian Federation is too large to squeeze us in - although who knows how the GDP with the NAS will be solved.

                There is a "closed fund" for this. And now, as I understand, most of the equipment will be purchased in a "closed mode." This is because of possible lawsuits in the EAEU, there are about tenders in "open" state defense orders. This year, the Russians are in commission The EAEU complained.
                And CADEX is mainly for our manufacturers.
                1. Kasym
                  Kasym 3 June 2016 20: 12
                  +1
                  These 4 Dryings were paid for in the fall of 2014. And they got it quickly, because there were some outliers from the Russian "reserve" (that is, they were originally built for the Russian Federation).
                  It has long been clear that the topic is closed. We learn specifically when it comes to us and show. Therefore, I am interested. I heard the deputy’s statement. min defense on the Su-35. But these are more talking heads. Therefore, there is some skepticism. Of course, I’ll only be glad if the Su-35 appears. Some new things loomed on the horizon, it pleases us - wait and see. hi
                  I’m glad for the exhibition. Over 4 years, manufacturers have 2 times more. So there is interest.
            3. avt
              avt 3 June 2016 20: 35
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              Quote: Kasym
              t. Although Thor in my opinion is better.

              hi "TOP" for the ground forces will probably be more important, it was originally designed to cover the first line and on the march "Pantsir" Vsezh is more of a mobile complex for covering stationary objects, well, at least it was after test firings of comparative ones.
              Quote: Kasym
              There were no doubts about IL-76 - there are simply no others

              Of the sane only S-130 Hercules. An-70 has died .... Alas! Aerobus No. 400 is not even funny. And Il 214 is not even a chicken in the nest. Of the tested, only 76.
              Quote: Kasym
              Euro helicopters are not very good for me - they will not let me earn money - they will keep me in my body.

              I wrote to you yesterday - Lomm got into Russia and got in, at the level of the project and the signed papers, very cool. Airbus Helicopter has subscribed to 160 aircraft for 10 years. And it means that the engines will be pulled for a small fraction for Ansat, according to it there is a UTair protocol for the promotion of a dignity of aviation. Well, the Ka-226 flies to India and a little bit to Russia ... request Banks Lomm with this motor joker.
              Quote: Kasym
              . I believe that such a machine can be approached by ourselves, starting with development.

              Easy turntable? And where do you get the engine? Ours will be only in four years and even not in massive quantities.
              Quote: Kasym
              Become your own, starting with development.

              Let’s really - for today there are two prospects - the Eurocopter, which Kazakhstan will
              Quote: Kasym
              - they will not allow to earn - they will keep in a body.
              moreover, production in the Urals, Kazan and Ka-226 through the engines will be kept in the same way. This means that the prospect is different - to make a new generation car for new Russian engines. Well, YOUR responsible people need to enter Russian Helicopters politely so now with a sweet proposal under the EAEU sauce through some joint decisions ... oh what people. The moment is quite suitable - they will finish the state defense order in two years and the capacity will be released , and so for the future, you can offer them a download with localization at your place. You need a cunning proposal for the integrated use of turntables throughout the entire EAEU, like Lomm has now pushed through in Russia.
  • PROSTEEL
    PROSTEEL 3 June 2016 13: 16
    +1
    What can I say, congratulations to Burevesnik good
  • coolpechkin
    coolpechkin 3 June 2016 13: 27
    +7
    Wanderer_032.And when local Natsiks come to power in Kazakhstan, "lepota" will grow exponentially.
    As a result, we get our own fat for our own tinsel. [/ Quote]
    But let’s stop selling weapons altogether all of a sudden Natsik will come everywhere. There are countries that will be just happy from Russia's withdrawal from the arms market.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 3 June 2016 14: 22
      -2
      Quote: coolpechkin
      There are countries that will simply be happy with Russia's withdrawal from the arms market.


      You don’t need a knife on a greedy person - you will show him a penny. And do what you like with him.
      1. wanderer_032
        wanderer_032 3 June 2016 14: 40
        -2
        Judging by the minuses - this is indeed so.
  • Lanista
    Lanista 3 June 2016 13: 53
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    As for South Africa, since we have already remembered: after the events in Namibia, South Africa faced a situation with Soviet weapons, similar to the situation in Israel. That is, there are a lot of serviceable vehicles (often abandoned by aboriginal crews during hostilities), which vehicles need to be upgraded to meet modern requirements. Therefore, South Africa is armed with, for example, the modernized Mi-24 (he calls them "Super Hind"), BTR-70 and other similar things.
  • ermak.sidorov
    ermak.sidorov 3 June 2016 14: 01
    +1
    For me, it turned out so beautiful thing. Performance characteristics are already the second question. The big gun is probably more "+" than "-". Indeed, it looks like a Franco-Russian beast, but ours, in my opinion, was even more cumbersome, although I did not see either one live. This one is kind of squat.
  • coolpechkin
    coolpechkin 3 June 2016 14: 13
    0
    I wonder when our boomerang state test will be held.
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  • Mentat
    Mentat 3 June 2016 16: 26
    +1
    Quote: wanderer_032
    Quote: x.andvlad
    Well, not Russia will suffer from this.

    It is Russia that will suffer from this. When all this iron goes against Russia.

    What will you go to? Why rave?
    None of the Svidomo’s most beaten-up heads with “progressive liberals on grants” will ever climb into an open military conflict with Russia, because it’s clear how this will end for them.

    And all this kind of blathering in the forums “Do not sell weapons to Kazakhstan” arises for the only reason: those very sales-smitten bastards under the control of overseas “friends” do not want Kazakhstan to have enough good weapons for the next “color revolution” shoot off those broken heads.

    I do not know how you feel about this group of “people,” but in any case, you have already shown yourself to be, at the very least, not a very smart person.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 3 June 2016 17: 41
      -1
      Quote: Mentat
      What will you go to?


      And you are apparently the Lord God and you can give the 100% guarantee that you will not go, if that and in which case?

      Quote: Mentat
      Why rave?



      Quote: Mentat
      And all this kind of blathering in the forums “Do not sell weapons to Kazakhstan” arises for the only reason: those very sales-smitten bastards under the control of overseas “friends” do not want Kazakhstan to have enough good weapons for the next “color revolution” shoot off those broken heads.


      Are there no other phrases on duty? This is not nonsense, but quite healthy doubts. Founded, by the way, not from scratch.

      Find this book - "The Armed Forces of the CIS and Baltic States" Handbook, author Chuprin K.V. open it to page 647 and read it on page 689. I guarantee you will learn a lot of interesting things.

      And yes - I am openly against the fact that our latest weapons are sold to neighboring countries with an unstable political situation. A vivid example is Azerbaijan. Where did the T-90 tanks sell in the latest version (which even in our tank units aren’t) and much more.
      What it almost led to - could be observed not so long ago. Unless of course you follow the news.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 3 June 2016 16: 29
    +1
    Quote: wanderer_032
    Judging by the number of cons and the silence of the lambs, I'm not far from the truth. laughing

    Not far from the truth is that you are engaged in the forum disseminating enemy propaganda and trying to incite ethnic hatred.
    Similar materials are prepared specifically for these purposes.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 3 June 2016 17: 31
      -1
      Quote: Mentat
      Not far from the truth is that you are engaged in the forum disseminating enemy propaganda and trying to incite ethnic hatred.


      Oh-yo-yo-th you hit me, you killed me! laughing laughing laughing

      The campaign "inciting ethnic hatred" has now become a routine phrase for all occasions.
      And what, dear people, do you know about what was happening in Kazakhstan at the end of the 80's and in the 90's? Apparently you also were not in this world. But still there.
      There is reason to doubt sincere friendship. And he did not arise from scratch.

      In addition, it has long been known that the armed forces of Kazakhstan are slowly reshaping according to the NATO model and likeness. First of all - management and communication. What carries such a redrawing, one can personally observe the example of the Baltic states, Georgia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan.
      If this is not enough for "jenial strategists" with VO, then there are no words. Continue to live like lop-eared, cheerful simpletons - it's your own business. Only when a roast rooster bites in one place - it will be too late.
      Continue to further support the sale of modern models of Russian weapons, which even in the Russian armed forces do not yet exist.

      Quote: Mentat
      Similar materials are prepared specifically for these purposes.


      Materials can be prepared if you are talking about that video of course. But then the question arises, why the local Kazakh GB does not fight these materials? Why do they hang on the net? After all, this is clearly local laid out. So it’s not very much and they need it. So they don’t really want to. So there is a real reason to doubt the rest.
  • Mentat
    Mentat 5 June 2016 00: 31
    0
    Quote: Mentat
    Not far from the truth is that you are engaged in the forum disseminating enemy propaganda and trying to incite ethnic hatred.

    Quote: wanderer_032
    And what, dear people, do you know about what was happening in Kazakhstan at the end of the 80's and in the 90's? Apparently you also were not in this world. But still there.
    There is reason to doubt sincere friendship. And he did not arise from scratch.

    First, sincere friendships are personal relationships, not geopolitics.
    Secondly, are you gray-haired on their tricks flaunting something? So it may turn out that I have more of it. I remember very well what happened in the 90s, and in the 80s, and in the 70s. You do not need to carry your personal negative experience on the Internet. I will not justify embittered people, no matter what nationality they are. However, it turns out that you are pulling their anger from yesterday to today and forcing you to work against Russia.

    In addition, it has long been known that the armed forces of Kazakhstan are slowly reshaping according to the NATO model and likeness. First of all - management and communication. What carries such a redrawing, one can personally observe the example of the Baltic states, Georgia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan.

    No demagoguery. In the Baltic states and Georgia, presidents received and are receiving salaries in the USA. In Ukraine, the wife of President Yushchenko is a graduate of the American Institute of Ukrainians, based on the Nazi propaganda and sabotage department. This is just an example of a famous person. How many of them sat on caches in Ukraine, how many climbed out onto the Maidan? What does Kazakhstan have to do with it? Azerbaijan is a different story altogether.

    Quote: wanderer_032
    Quote: Mentat
    Similar materials are prepared specifically for these purposes.
    Materials can be prepared if you are talking about that video of course. But then the question arises, why the local Kazakh GB does not fight these materials? Why do they hang on the net? After all, this is clearly local laid out. So it’s not very much and they need it. So they don’t really want to. So there is a real reason to doubt the rest.

    What do you conclude from what is not conducted? They hang on the network because YouTube is not a Kazakh corporation, but an American one. Accordingly, the rest of your "logical conclusions" smack of delirium.
    If you look into the “darknet”, and not just go to YouTube, you can find one that turns a person mentally normal three times inside out. From this, the conclusion is that nobody needs it and they are not fighting? Where is the logic?
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 5 June 2016 07: 11
      -1
      Quote: Mentat
      No demagoguery.


      No demagoguery - only bare facts. Everything is just like that. Redraw. And if this is a great revelation for you, then I sympathize with you.

      Quote: Mentat
      First, sincere friendships are personal relationships, not geopolitics.


      Agas. According to the principle of friendship, friendship, and tobacco - apart. An awesome "ally".

      Quote: Mentat
      What do you conclude from what is not conducted?


      Yes, from the fact that with this ... avnom the entire Internet is littered. You can even imagine how littered it is in Kazakhstan itself.


      Quote: Mentat
      Accordingly, the rest of your "logical conclusions" smack of delirium.


      Well, yes, where am I to the "great luminaries" of analytics from VO. laughing
  • Mentat
    Mentat 6 June 2016 15: 47
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    Quote: wanderer_032

    Well, yes, where am I to the "great luminaries" of analytics from VO. laughing

    “The National Security Committee of Kazakhstan accused a local businessman of trying to seize power.
    His plan of action provided for the destabilization of the situation in the country by creating hotbeds of tension, organizing protests and riots, against which he planned to create the so-called alternative government.
    ... the KNB authorities removed a significant amount of weapons, ammunition and explosives from caches and hiding places
    ... KNB officers detained a number of Tuleshov’s accomplices. Among them are former First Deputy Prosecutor General of Kazakhstan, former member of the Constitutional Council, State Counselor of Justice of the second class Ilyas Baktybaev; former head of the Department of Internal Affairs of SKO, Major General Hibratulla Doskaliev; former first deputy chief of the Department of Internal Affairs of the SKO, police colonel Saken Aitbekov; commanders of military units 35748 and 55652 of the regional command South of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Colonels Bekzat Zhumin and Kairat Berlibaev ”(http://ria.ru/world/20160606/1443420582.html)

    Against this backdrop of recent events, your calls to not sell modern weapons to Kazakhstan look very specific.

    Quote: wanderer_032

    Oh-yo-yo-th you hit me, you killed me! laughing laughing laughing

    The fact that I got there doesn’t mean much, but if the focus of attention of the FSB or the KNB falls on you, if you are involved in this story, it will be sour.