BARs "Barys" at the exhibition KADEX 2016

At the KADEX 2016 exhibition, one of the most interesting exhibits presented by the Kazakh side is the Barys APC, created by the Kazakhstan Paramount Engineering company together with the Russian UVZ, writes Messenger of Mordovia.

“The presented version differs from the previously demonstrated options in that it strengthened the booking and mine protection. The machine has a wheel formula 8х8 and has improved mobility characteristics, ”the agency notes.

But the 57-mm combat module AU-220М “Baikal”, created by the Nizhny Novgorod Central Research Institute “Burevestnik” (included in UVZ), causes the greatest interest among visitors.

“The AU-220M is a remote-controlled system designed to be installed on advanced and upgraded armored combat vehicles in order to increase the firepower of motorized rifle subunits,” according to information distributed at the exhibition.

With an automatic cannon, which has a firing rate of up to 120 shots / min, a machine gun of 7 caliber, 62 mm is paired.

It is noted that "the module rotates on 360 hail, capable of hitting targets vertically: from minus 5 to plus 75 hail."

Comments

[Zaurbek]

If the ATGM is not installed, then there should be information on the warhead and ammunition shells for the gun

[HERMES]

A curious thing .... unlike simple modifications of Soviet technology.

And here is the Azerbaijan-South Africa MRAP:

And the Soviet basis:
ZKDM:

ZTR-70M SIMSEK

[dmi.pris1]

South African people have long been engaged in similar machines.

[Blackgrifon]

Quote: dmi.pris

South African people have long been engaged in similar machines.

So this is the Boers;) their machines and localized production

[Vladimirets]

Quote: HERMES

ZTR-70M SIMSEK

Interestingly, and the barrel casing has what function?

[Kasym]

The fact is that the South African cars do not have 8 * 8, max. 6 * 6.
They talked about this car last year. In fact, this is the joint development paid by Kazakhstan for South Africa-Russia. This approach is very pleasing when they themselves incl. in developing what we specifically need. There KAMAZ and the military-industrial complex of the Russian Federation (weapons) took part. I did not think that they would do everything so quickly. Yes, and it was hard to believe - they love the authorities to promise.
I am glad that the module was used. The fact is that this gun was developed in the 70s for the Navy, where the range is important (12km). I don’t know how the cannon will really hit in range, but it is automated (100-120 rounds per minute). By firepower only BMP-3 and tanks are more powerful. So the infantry needs it, especially since it is well protected for armored personnel carriers.
Now the question is about the series and the number. It is clear that the Russian Federation is hardly needed. But for yourself it is necessary first of all, especially since KAMAZ spare parts should not be considered a problem.

[Skubudu]

Again Burevesnik got with his AU-220M "Baikal"

[Gvas1174]

Well, why not ?! In principle, an interesting solution

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Gvas1174

Well, why not ?!

Yes, because the political situation inside Kazakhstan can change at any time. Today it’s like friends, and tomorrow - yours is not my understanding. Is it not clear?

[x.andvlad]

Well, not Russia will suffer from this. We have our own developments in armored personnel carriers, and quite promising. Our combat modules find their buyer, and this is a payload for our defense industry.
And in general, a rather interesting car.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: x.andvlad

Well, not Russia will suffer from this.

It is Russia that will suffer from this. When all this iron goes against Russia.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: Skubudu

Again Burevesnik got with his AU-220M "Baikal"

No but that's purely visual, och looks cool as a mother, I do not know how the functionality ..

Quote: wanderer_032

It is Russia that will suffer from this.

Yeah Hey urus dan come on you have overdue payments for several centuries ..

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Alibekulu

Yeah Hey Urus, come on, let’s you have a late payment for several centuries ..

Yes Yes.

[Talgat]

Quote: wanderer_032

When all this iron goes against Russia.

Well, I don’t even know what to say. Delirium or provocation. In almost every Kazakh family, grandfather or great-grandfather fought in the Second World War, and Kazakhs remember their grandfathers

Who who. and Kazakhstan, even in the worst nightmare, does not seem to be an adversary of Russia - on the contrary, it is a friend and, in general, it seems like integration is going on. we are the components of great Eurasia - a common history, a common present and one future

Stop all sorts of weird fantasies

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Talgat

In almost every Kazakh family, grandfather or great-grandfather fought in the Second World War, and Kazakhs remember their grandfathers

Nevertheless, this does not prevent expressing the current Kazakh youth to express in every possible way their negative attitude towards the Russians. And everywhere, in everyday life. Is not it?

And about the delirium, as I personally am acquainted with a sufficient number of people who came from Kazakhstan to Russia for permanent residence. They told a lot of interesting things on this topic. First-hand information.

[Talgat]

Quote: wanderer_032

the current Kazakh youth in every possible way to express their negative

juggling is actually a lie. There is no need to pass off a marginal minority as all "youth". If you look like this, then each republic has its own marginalized "Nazis" - or skinheads, etc.

And young people - I see her every day - and at work - and on the way home - and in cafes and visiting in the suburbs, etc.
But I didn’t see any section on nations - walk along the street - you will see how Russians and Kazakhs are walking together - among them are Korean and Dungan and others. The same is in the teams. There is really no sort of ethnic confrontation as you are trying to describe.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Talgat

And young people - I see her every day - and at work - and on the way home - and in cafes and visiting in the suburbs, etc.
But I didn’t see any section on nations - walk along the street - you will see how Russians and Kazakhs are walking together - among them are Korean and Dungan and others. The same is in the teams. There is really no sort of ethnic confrontation as you are trying to describe.

If so, why have Russian people massively left Kazakhstan for many years? Apparently from a good life.

[Kasym]

Wanderer 032. For the whole last year, a little more than 30 people left (all nationalities) from the Republic of Kazakhstan. - this is less than 000% of the population. What kind of mass are we talking about if only one third of Russians have left the Russian Federation since the days of the USSR? And why do we need to hang noodles if there are a lot of Kazakhstani Russians on the site. Ask them yourself better than to say something.

[Gvas1174]

Kasym, respect and respect

[Talgat 148]

Wanderer where do you come from ??? With such brown impudent information ??? Well, at least a little take an interest in life in Kazakhstan !!!

[Vladimirets]

Quote: wanderer_032

Yes, because the political situation inside Kazakhstan can change at any time. Today it’s like friends, and tomorrow - yours is not my understanding. Is it not clear?

Living is generally dangerous.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Vladimirets

Living is generally dangerous.

For a separate contingent - life is always beautiful.



Or something like that:



Campaigning the local contingent hanging out now in the VO, is these two pronounced psycho-types.

[Buffet]

How did you get all the crawlers ... And as for the Baikal module, well, go to UVZ to work. Offer and do better, once so smart.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: SHVEDsky_stol

How did you get all the scouts ...

How did you get ridiculous duffers. So, what is next?

[Gvas1174]

Here you are, brother, I think you are greatly mistaken, for, alas, and praise be to the Almighty, Kazakhstan without Russia is too tidbit for many who, having a human resource, do not have a resource of minerals, and just land. This applies not only to China, but also to its closest neighbors, with whom "misunderstandings" are ruled out mainly by Russia.
Unlike China and Uzbekistan, as well as Azerbaijan, Kazakhstan is the only real, albeit forced, but friend and normal neighbor.
Another confirmation of this: right on the eve of the "events" on May 21, to whom did Elbasy go? In short, it is necessary to look deeper, although much is on the surface. Plus, a large segment of the manufacturing, trading and non-mining industries is watching the interest of the Russian, not to mention a considerable percentage of Russian-speaking people, including Kazakhs.
This is so offhand

[dmi.pris1]

Why don’t you like him? People work, create new weapons .. If he has become someone across the road, there should be healthy competition ..

Quote: Skubudu

Again Burevesnik got with his AU-220M "Baikal"

[Altona]

Quote: dmi.pris

Why don’t you like him? People work, create new weapons .. If he has become someone across the road, there should be healthy competition ..

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In principle, yes, the photo shows a commercial product with already traditional solutions. Nothing really new is visible.

[avt]

Quote: Skubudu

Again Burevesnik got with his AU-220M "Baikal"

Well, here - any whim for your money. I like it - to sell it without looking like that Terminator. ”They seemed to want to assemble it at their own production site from the existing T-72 buildings, well, they need to help, although for me they would modernize the T-72, like on the next branch But this is their choice. Well, on the whole, articles about the exhibition were gradually sent We are waiting for article about photo-turntables and airplanes.

[Berkut24]

After light armored vehicles and helicopters switched to the 30mm caliber, the armor manufacturers broke into a cake so that the light armor could hold this projectile. Accordingly, 57 mm today levels out all the efforts of "armored workers" over the past 10 years. Now again everything for the chemical production and for the drawing boards ...

[Altona]

Quote: Berkut24

Accordingly, 57 mm today levels out all the efforts of "armored workers" over the past 10 years.

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Yes, many manufacturers have rather foreseen such a scenario. Then there will be a modular armor hitching in.

[Vasyan1971]

Exactly Paramount Engineering, not Paramount Pictures? But in general it’s not a bad thing. More armored vehicles are good and different! And if Russian-made modules are used, it’s so simple - a nonsense!

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Vasyan1971

And if Russian-made modules are used, it’s so simple - a nonsense!

And when local Natsiks come to power in Kazakhstan, "lepota" will grow exponentially.
As a result, we get our own fat on our own tinsel.

[Victorio]

Quote: wanderer_032

Quote: Vasyan1971

And if Russian-made modules are used, it’s so simple - a nonsense!

And when to power in Kazakhstan local natsiks will come - "petty" will grow exponentially.
As a result, we get our own fat on our own tinsel.

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taking into account the fact that the elite kids are often trained / savvy in the countries of the enlightened west, then a completely possible option

[wanderer_032]

Judging by the number of cons and the silence of the lambs, I'm not far from the truth.

[wanderer_032]

Video from Kazakh "friends". Moment of Truth:



You can come in and see the comments.

[wanderer_032]

All this is distributed by a certain user of UT:

Omar Khayyam Seljuk Mathematician

https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCiI1oAds-bglUqmYVCRydgg

As for me, a typical representative of these same Natsik.

[wanderer_032]

To minusoers, I can only say one thing:
ABOUT YES?

You then go and hang your locators about the topic "truncated good", but here such breaks pop up and zhist in pink glasses refute.

[MAGA]

wanderer032 can you explain how a country of 17 million multinational population will invade one of the strongest countries in the world? I love strategies, especially the Victory Day series - it’s almost like a state simulator - so you’ll play for it for the Africans and try to attack the English colony. Believe me, you will learn a lot of things. Soon, by the way, the 4th part will be released the other day.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: MAGA

can you explain how the country 17mln multinational population will invade one of the strongest countries in the world?

And no intrusion is necessary. It is enough what happened in Ukraine when radical nationalists seized power in the country.
In Kazakhstan, another scenario may be used. Radical Islamists, for example, can seize power. Or some Igilovites.
Then they will seize military depots or bases with weapons and military equipment, and then they will begin ethnic cleansing. Those. they will begin to massively kill the remaining Russian population in order to provoke Russia to intervene.
Is this not enough for you?

[MAGA]

To begin with, Kazakhstan is a very important partner, especially its geographical location. In the case of such a scenario that you wrote it may be so - the PRC will immediately introduce its peacekeeping contingent there and occupy Kazakhstan to defend itself from external aggression, which is unacceptable both for Russia and the United States. Why? The Chinese economy will take out, and Russia will vryatli pull such a piece. A war between nuclear powers is simply impossible.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: MAGA

To begin with, Kazakhstan is a very important partner

Propaganda blah blah. Consisting of a duty set of stamped phrases.

Quote: MAGA

A war between nuclear powers is simply impossible.

I will ask the same question that I previously asked another.

You are Lord God and can guarantee on 100% that this cannot be?

[MAGA]

Quote: wanderer_032

You are Lord God and can guarantee on 100% that this cannot be?

I can answer with 100% probability - reasonable people of which most are afraid of death.
And about the on-duty propaganda stamped phrases - answer, but is it nice when someone takes the eggs from behind?

[cap]

Quote: MAGA

A war between nuclear powers is simply impossible.

When the stakes are so high, namely, to cut the CSTO with one blow, everything is possible. Do not forget that for your and our "partners" (hopefully former) we are all former republics of the former USSR, a defeated country (at least by their conclusion) and for To achieve their goals of world domination, THESE gentlemen are ready for EVERYTHING, including nuclear confrontation. Such plans have already been built after 1945.
That something like this.
You must stick together so as not to die alone.

[Max_Bauder]

Quote: wanderer_032

In Kazakhstan, another scenario may be used. Radical Islamists, for example, can seize power. Or some Igilovites.
Then they will seize military depots or bases with weapons and military equipment, and then they will begin ethnic cleansing. Those. they will begin to massively kill the remaining Russian population in order to provoke Russia to intervene.
Is this not enough for you?

Quote: wanderer_032

In Kazakhstan, another scenario may be used. Radical Islamists, for example, can seize power. Or some Igilovites.
Then they will seize military depots or bases with weapons and military equipment, and then they will begin ethnic cleansing. Those. they will begin to massively kill the remaining Russian population in order to provoke Russia to intervene.
Is this not enough for you?

What are you smoking dude over there? you give up this business, although you could make money on fantasies ... write books as the NATO general wrote, about how Russia will start the third world next year, the best-seller will be no worse than yours, I’ll even help you come up with a name - Kazakhstan. Maidan. Year 2020, fit ?!
If there are many people like you in Russia who will be famous (Fomenko and Zadornov walk and dibs), the more people you get as your supporters, the more you earn, so how many people fool you

[wanderer_032]

Quote: Max_Bauder

What are you smoking dude over there?

A similar question to you - dude.

[Talgat 148]

Stupid script!

[lelikas]

Quote: wanderer_032

To minusoers, I can only say one thing:
ABOUT YES?

Not . not abydna - just-forgotten.

[Samaritan]

And the type who asks, in American jeans! Yes, what the hell .. Is he in American clothes on the territory of Kazakhstan?

[dmi.pris1]

In general, the car is similar to the Atom project

[Zymran]

In general, this is the South African armored personnel carrier "Mbombe"

[dmi.pris1]

Does the number of wheels bother you? Although the appearance is similar ..

Quote: Zymran

In general, this is the South African armored personnel carrier "Mbombe"

[marshes]

Quote: Zymran

In general, this is the South African armored personnel carrier "Mbombe"

NOT at all, the original is 6X6. The Yuarovtsy themselves do not yet.
IMHO, this is a joint development, some developments have been taken from other machines.

[Zymran]

Quote: dmi.pris

Does the number of wheels bother you? Although the appearance is similar ..

Quote: marshes

NOT at all, the original is 6X6. The Yuarovtsy themselves do not yet.
IMHO, this is a joint development, some developments have been taken from other machines.

Apparently so

Eight-Wheel

http://ke.kz/produkcziya/zemlya/tech/baryis-8x8.html


Six-wheeled

http://ke.kz/produkcziya/zemlya/tech/baryis-6x6.html

But on the Paramount Group website there are only 6 and 4 wheel options

http://www.paramountgroup.com/capabilities/land/mbombe-4/

http://www.paramountgroup.com/capabilities/land/mbombe-6/

[marshes]

Quote: dmi.pris

In general, the car is similar to the Atom project

In those years, Kazakhstan was along with the United Arab Emirates to participate in the development and then the acquisition of BPM (?), BTR Franco-Russian "Atom".
But the matter is clear how it ended.
I had to jointly develop with South Africa, and I think it could not do without the Russian Federation.

[Kasym]

Hello fellow countrymen! There KAMAZ engineers took part, well, with UVZ, to place the module with control. I did not believe that ours would be honored, they like to hang noodles with projections. Apparently Tas himself was in charge, otherwise they would have given birth for years without a "roof". I wonder how much will be ordered for this year - they write that they will be adopted this year.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

Hello fellow countrymen! There KAMAZ engineers took part, well, with UVZ, to place the module with control. I did not believe that ours would be honored, they like to hang noodles with projections. Apparently Tas himself was in charge, otherwise they would have given birth for years without a "roof". I wonder how much will be ordered for this year - they write that they will be adopted this year.

Su-35, they look like the Il-78 tanker, in the BTA Il-76, the Mi-35 is very necessary. The TOR 2MKM air defense missile system is modular, and can also be placed on buildings.
As regards the courts, the "detective", Germany, Russia and Turkey declare their intention on our part.
8x8 glad that the saga is over.
In addition to the EU-145, there will be cheap, small collect. 125 and 130 versions.

[Alibekulu]

Already Gur Khan unsubscribed ..

[marshes]

Quote: Alibekulu

Already, Gur Khan has unsubscribed

Yes, in the morning I read it.
http://gurkhan.blogspot.com/2016/06/kadex2016.html
Vidio on the network can not find the opening and presentation, the photo was colorful.
http://inform.kz/rus/article/2910400
http://inform.kz/rus/article/2910141
And we bought this from China, our identification marks are already applied.

This drone, made in China, is of particular interest - from now on it is the first such strike drone as part of the Air Force of the Republic of Kazakhstan. "Wing Loong" is able to deliver accurate strikes and carry out long reconnaissance missions. The flight duration is 3000 km, the maximum flight altitude is 5300 meters.

[Semurg]

This is all beautiful, but so far there is no information about the concluded contracts from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan. By the way, what chiches are we planning to modernize the equipment or is Allah also giving us.

[marshes]

Quote: Semurg

This is all beautiful, but so far there is no information about the concluded contracts from the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan. By the way, what chiches are we planning to modernize the equipment or is Allah also giving us.

Shisha is on it.
At the expense of information, as the network already has. Belarus Su-25 will be upgraded. For SU-30,35 already concluded.

[Alibekulu]

Quote: marshes

And we bought it from China, already our identification marks are marked.

"Kazakhstani content"

Quote: Semurg

By the way, what kind of shishi are planning to modernize the equipment or Allah also gives us.

Agay, do you really not understand the "political essence" of public procurement Just in view of recent and future rallies, they will be procured. A kind of element of psychological impact ..
Well, and then the "gun instead of oil" technique has long been known

Quote: marshes

Belarus SU-25 will be upgraded

By the way, how do you like the Georgian-Israeli modernization of the Su-25 "Scorpion"? I had to try, like a tank repair from Ukraine, to buy from Georgia ..

[marshes]

Quote: Alibekulu

By the way, how do you like the Georgian-Israeli modernization of the Su-25 "Scorpion"? I had to try, like a tank repair from Ukraine, to buy from Georgia ..

So, according to news in the future, we will carry out modernization in Astana with the Belarusians. The center is built.

[Kasym]

Swamps, where does infa about the Su-35 come from and how much? There were no doubts about IL-76 - there simply are no others. All Ant sailed away. There were no doubts about the Mi-35 either - there were few percussion drums, sometimes the hope for the Ka-52 faded, but apparently it is still expensive for us. But sooner or later it will be - almost sure. Middle Thor is good - this is expected, but thought that the Carapace would be taken. Although Thor is better in my opinion.
I haven’t heard of the “detective” in court. What kind of attack?
Euro helicopters are not very good for me - they will not let me earn money - they will keep me in my body. I believe that such a machine can be approached by ourselves, starting with development. We ourselves need to pay for such developments and then have the rights to the car. It is clear that we will not pull all the spare parts ourselves, but you can use foreign ones at first. This Barys seems to be working out. And here such territory and small turntables will be needed for anyone. After all, their cost, like a good car., I.e. not a plane.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

Swamps, where does infa about the Su-35 come from and how much?

Now they are in the "rank of closed" orders. I do not like the discussion of prices in the course.

Quote: Kasym

There were no doubts about IL-76 - there simply are no others.

Well, this is about the devastating articles about the A-400M.

Quote: Kasym

sometimes there was hope for the Ka-52, but apparently a little expensive for us so far.

Expensive, but for me the Mi-35 is enough.

Quote: Kasym

I haven’t heard of the “detective” in court. What kind of attack?

About the ships

Quote: Kasym

Euro helicopters are not very good for me - they will not let me earn money - they will keep me in my body. I believe that such a machine can be approached by ourselves, starting with development. We ourselves need to pay for such developments and then have the rights to the car. It is clear that we will not pull all the spare parts ourselves, but you can use foreign ones at first.

Small aircraft are needed, even though such. Now they will turn to private traders with a 90% check, it’s time to send them to the scrap.

Quote: Kasym

This Barys seems to be

Now it was not bad to break in, a demo sample, after all.

[Kasym]

It would be good, the statement of the National Academy of Sciences on May 7 speaks in favor of this. But ours can, as always. "We wanted the best, but it turned out as always", having signed a bunch of memoranda and intentions. New Su-30SM were not received last year, although the contract for the regiment. And then there's the Su-35. Therefore, there are doubts. Although, one must understand, there are no planes available and they still need to be made. Wait and see. And what about finance. After the start of the Ukrainian crisis, it was said that within several years the army would be allocated several billion dollars from savings. (I think 3) a year. But last year nothing was really visible - maybe the prepayment was made, who knows. But those Il-76s, only second-hand, in the near future. The order of the Russian Federation is too big to be squeezed in - although who knows how the GDP and NAS will decide there.

[marshes]

Quote: Kasym

. New Su-30SM last year did not receive, although a contract for the regiment. And then there is the Su-35.

So they did last year in April, and flew by at the parade.
Here is the news of April 17, 2015.
https://tengrinews.kz/kazakhstan_news/novyie-istrebiteli-su-30sm-pribyili-kazahs
tan-uchastiya-273400 /
this year in Vedomosti about 2 lard greens. On the acquisition. Only while there is a hitch in the models.

Quote: Kasym

Wait and see. And about finance. After the outbreak of the Ukrainian crisis, it was said that several billion dollars would be allocated from the savings for several years to the army. (in my opinion 3) per year. But last year, nothing really was visible - maybe the advance payments were made, who knows. But those Il-76, only used in the near future. The order from the Russian Federation is too large to squeeze us in - although who knows how the GDP with the NAS will be solved.

There is a "closed fund" for this. And now, as I understand, most of the equipment will be purchased in a "closed mode." This is because of possible lawsuits in the EAEU, there are about tenders in "open" state defense orders. This year, the Russians are in commission The EAEU complained.
And CADEX is mainly for our manufacturers.

[Kasym]

These 4 Dryings were paid for in the fall of 2014. And they got it quickly, because there were some outliers from the Russian "reserve" (that is, they were originally built for the Russian Federation).
It has long been clear that the topic is closed. We learn specifically when it comes to us and show. Therefore, I am interested. I heard the deputy’s statement. min defense on the Su-35. But these are more talking heads. Therefore, there is some skepticism. Of course, I’ll only be glad if the Su-35 appears. Some new things loomed on the horizon, it pleases us - wait and see.
I’m glad for the exhibition. Over 4 years, manufacturers have 2 times more. So there is interest.

[avt]

Quote: Kasym

t. Although Thor in my opinion is better.

"TOP" for the ground forces will probably be more important, it was originally designed to cover the first line and on the march "Pantsir" Vsezh is more of a mobile complex for covering stationary objects, well, at least it was after test firings of comparative ones.

Quote: Kasym

There were no doubts about IL-76 - there are simply no others

Of the sane only S-130 Hercules. An-70 has died .... Alas! Aerobus No. 400 is not even funny. And Il 214 is not even a chicken in the nest. Of the tested, only 76.

Quote: Kasym

Euro helicopters are not very good for me - they will not let me earn money - they will keep me in my body.

I wrote to you yesterday - Lomm got into Russia and got in, at the level of the project and the signed papers, very cool. Airbus Helicopter has subscribed to 160 aircraft for 10 years. And it means that the engines will be pulled for a small fraction for Ansat, according to it there is a UTair protocol for the promotion of a dignity of aviation. Well, the Ka-226 flies to India and a little bit to Russia ... Banks Lomm with this motor joker.

Quote: Kasym

. I believe that such a machine can be approached by ourselves, starting with development.

Easy turntable? And where do you get the engine? Ours will be only in four years and even not in massive quantities.

Quote: Kasym

Become your own, starting with development.

Let’s really - for today there are two prospects - the Eurocopter, which Kazakhstan will

Quote: Kasym

- they will not allow to earn - they will keep in a body.

moreover, production in the Urals, Kazan and Ka-226 through the engines will be kept in the same way. This means that the prospect is different - to make a new generation car for new Russian engines. Well, YOUR responsible people need to enter Russian Helicopters politely so now with a sweet proposal under the EAEU sauce through some joint decisions ... oh what people. The moment is quite suitable - they will finish the state defense order in two years and the capacity will be released , and so for the future, you can offer them a download with localization at your place. You need a cunning proposal for the integrated use of turntables throughout the entire EAEU, like Lomm has now pushed through in Russia.

[PROSTEEL]

What can I say, congratulations to Burevesnik

[coolpechkin]

Wanderer_032.And when local Natsiks come to power in Kazakhstan, "lepota" will grow exponentially.
As a result, we get our own fat for our own tinsel. [/ Quote]
But let’s stop selling weapons altogether all of a sudden Natsik will come everywhere. There are countries that will be just happy from Russia's withdrawal from the arms market.

[wanderer_032]

Quote: coolpechkin

There are countries that will simply be happy with Russia's withdrawal from the arms market.

You don’t need a knife on a greedy person - you will show him a penny. And do what you like with him.

[wanderer_032]

Judging by the minuses - this is indeed so.

[Lanista]

As for South Africa, since we have already remembered: after the events in Namibia, South Africa faced a situation with Soviet weapons, similar to the situation in Israel. That is, there are a lot of serviceable vehicles (often abandoned by aboriginal crews during hostilities), which vehicles need to be upgraded to meet modern requirements. Therefore, South Africa is armed with, for example, the modernized Mi-24 (he calls them "Super Hind"), BTR-70 and other similar things.

[ermak.sidorov]

For me, it turned out so beautiful thing. Performance characteristics are already the second question. The big gun is probably more "+" than "-". Indeed, it looks like a Franco-Russian beast, but ours, in my opinion, was even more cumbersome, although I did not see either one live. This one is kind of squat.

[coolpechkin]

I wonder when our boomerang state test will be held.

[Mentat]

Quote: wanderer_032

Quote: x.andvlad

Well, not Russia will suffer from this.

It is Russia that will suffer from this. When all this iron goes against Russia.

What will you go to? Why rave?
None of the Svidomo’s most beaten-up heads with “progressive liberals on grants” will ever climb into an open military conflict with Russia, because it’s clear how this will end for them.

And all this kind of blathering in the forums “Do not sell weapons to Kazakhstan” arises for the only reason: those very sales-smitten bastards under the control of overseas “friends” do not want Kazakhstan to have enough good weapons for the next “color revolution” shoot off those broken heads.

I do not know how you feel about this group of “people,” but in any case, you have already shown yourself to be, at the very least, not a very smart person.

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What will you go to?

And you are apparently the Lord God and you can give the 100% guarantee that you will not go, if that and in which case?

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Why rave?

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And all this kind of blathering in the forums “Do not sell weapons to Kazakhstan” arises for the only reason: those very sales-smitten bastards under the control of overseas “friends” do not want Kazakhstan to have enough good weapons for the next “color revolution” shoot off those broken heads.

Are there no other phrases on duty? This is not nonsense, but quite healthy doubts. Founded, by the way, not from scratch.

Find this book - "The Armed Forces of the CIS and Baltic States" Handbook, author Chuprin K.V. open it to page 647 and read it on page 689. I guarantee you will learn a lot of interesting things.

And yes - I am openly against the fact that our latest weapons are sold to neighboring countries with an unstable political situation. A vivid example is Azerbaijan. Where did the T-90 tanks sell in the latest version (which even in our tank units aren’t) and much more.
What it almost led to - could be observed not so long ago. Unless of course you follow the news.

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Judging by the number of cons and the silence of the lambs, I'm not far from the truth.

Not far from the truth is that you are engaged in the forum disseminating enemy propaganda and trying to incite ethnic hatred.
Similar materials are prepared specifically for these purposes.

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Not far from the truth is that you are engaged in the forum disseminating enemy propaganda and trying to incite ethnic hatred.

Oh-yo-yo-th you hit me, you killed me!

The campaign "inciting ethnic hatred" has now become a routine phrase for all occasions.
And what, dear people, do you know about what was happening in Kazakhstan at the end of the 80's and in the 90's? Apparently you also were not in this world. But still there.
There is reason to doubt sincere friendship. And he did not arise from scratch.

In addition, it has long been known that the armed forces of Kazakhstan are slowly reshaping according to the NATO model and likeness. First of all - management and communication. What carries such a redrawing, one can personally observe the example of the Baltic states, Georgia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan.
If this is not enough for "jenial strategists" with VO, then there are no words. Continue to live like lop-eared, cheerful simpletons - it's your own business. Only when a roast rooster bites in one place - it will be too late.
Continue to further support the sale of modern models of Russian weapons, which even in the Russian armed forces do not yet exist.

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Similar materials are prepared specifically for these purposes.

Materials can be prepared if you are talking about that video of course. But then the question arises, why the local Kazakh GB does not fight these materials? Why do they hang on the net? After all, this is clearly local laid out. So it’s not very much and they need it. So they don’t really want to. So there is a real reason to doubt the rest.

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Not far from the truth is that you are engaged in the forum disseminating enemy propaganda and trying to incite ethnic hatred.

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And what, dear people, do you know about what was happening in Kazakhstan at the end of the 80's and in the 90's? Apparently you also were not in this world. But still there.
There is reason to doubt sincere friendship. And he did not arise from scratch.

First, sincere friendships are personal relationships, not geopolitics.
Secondly, are you gray-haired on their tricks flaunting something? So it may turn out that I have more of it. I remember very well what happened in the 90s, and in the 80s, and in the 70s. You do not need to carry your personal negative experience on the Internet. I will not justify embittered people, no matter what nationality they are. However, it turns out that you are pulling their anger from yesterday to today and forcing you to work against Russia.

In addition, it has long been known that the armed forces of Kazakhstan are slowly reshaping according to the NATO model and likeness. First of all - management and communication. What carries such a redrawing, one can personally observe the example of the Baltic states, Georgia, Ukraine and Azerbaijan.

No demagoguery. In the Baltic states and Georgia, presidents received and are receiving salaries in the USA. In Ukraine, the wife of President Yushchenko is a graduate of the American Institute of Ukrainians, based on the Nazi propaganda and sabotage department. This is just an example of a famous person. How many of them sat on caches in Ukraine, how many climbed out onto the Maidan? What does Kazakhstan have to do with it? Azerbaijan is a different story altogether.

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Similar materials are prepared specifically for these purposes.

Materials can be prepared if you are talking about that video of course. But then the question arises, why the local Kazakh GB does not fight these materials? Why do they hang on the net? After all, this is clearly local laid out. So it’s not very much and they need it. So they don’t really want to. So there is a real reason to doubt the rest.

What do you conclude from what is not conducted? They hang on the network because YouTube is not a Kazakh corporation, but an American one. Accordingly, the rest of your "logical conclusions" smack of delirium.
If you look into the “darknet”, and not just go to YouTube, you can find one that turns a person mentally normal three times inside out. From this, the conclusion is that nobody needs it and they are not fighting? Where is the logic?

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No demagoguery.

No demagoguery - only bare facts. Everything is just like that. Redraw. And if this is a great revelation for you, then I sympathize with you.

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First, sincere friendships are personal relationships, not geopolitics.

Agas. According to the principle of friendship, friendship, and tobacco - apart. An awesome "ally".

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What do you conclude from what is not conducted?

Yes, from the fact that with this ... avnom the entire Internet is littered. You can even imagine how littered it is in Kazakhstan itself.

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Accordingly, the rest of your "logical conclusions" smack of delirium.

Well, yes, where am I to the "great luminaries" of analytics from VO.

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Well, yes, where am I to the "great luminaries" of analytics from VO.

“The National Security Committee of Kazakhstan accused a local businessman of trying to seize power.
His plan of action provided for the destabilization of the situation in the country by creating hotbeds of tension, organizing protests and riots, against which he planned to create the so-called alternative government.
... the KNB authorities removed a significant amount of weapons, ammunition and explosives from caches and hiding places
... KNB officers detained a number of Tuleshov’s accomplices. Among them are former First Deputy Prosecutor General of Kazakhstan, former member of the Constitutional Council, State Counselor of Justice of the second class Ilyas Baktybaev; former head of the Department of Internal Affairs of SKO, Major General Hibratulla Doskaliev; former first deputy chief of the Department of Internal Affairs of the SKO, police colonel Saken Aitbekov; commanders of military units 35748 and 55652 of the regional command South of the Ministry of Defense of the Republic of Kazakhstan, Colonels Bekzat Zhumin and Kairat Berlibaev ”(http://ria.ru/world/20160606/1443420582.html)

Against this backdrop of recent events, your calls to not sell modern weapons to Kazakhstan look very specific.

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Oh-yo-yo-th you hit me, you killed me!

The fact that I got there doesn’t mean much, but if the focus of attention of the FSB or the KNB falls on you, if you are involved in this story, it will be sour.