In the United States conducted another test of a new rocket, designed to replace Hellfire

For the first time, US military experts conducted a test launch of a new air-to-ground missile from a shock drone Gray Eagle, transmitting RIA News message resource Defense News.

rocket hellfire

The new rocket is known as JAGM. “Ultimately, it must replace Hellfire (Hellfire),” the article says.

According to Colonel George Romero, who is quoted by the portal, “the launch of the Gray Eagle’s drone from the Gray Eagle drone occurred on May 25 and was successful - the shell hit a truck moving at a speed of about 35 kilometers per hour.”

The publication reminds us that JAGM was previously launched from Apache and Cobra helicopters.

UAV Gray Eagle

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[dmi.pris1]

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

[Muvka]

Quote: dmi.pris

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

So there is already an answer. Sarmat and Status-6. The best and not very (relatively) expensive answer.

[dmi.pris1]

What is it? Is it all on a helicopter ?? Images from Syria .. The operator has to hold the mark of the sight until it hits .. But it didn’t shoot and forgot. The helicopter is in the target position for some time ..

Quote: Muvka

Quote: dmi.pris

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

So there is already an answer. Sarmat and Status-6. The best and not very (relatively) expensive answer.

[Muvka]

Quote: dmi.pris

What is it? Is it all on a helicopter ?? Images from Syria .. The operator has to hold the mark of the sight until it hits .. But it didn’t shoot and forgot. The helicopter is in the target position for some time ..

Quote: Muvka

Quote: dmi.pris

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

So there is already an answer. Sarmat and Status-6. The best and not very (relatively) expensive answer.

I have a question for you. Why use new and expensive missiles in the war against the Bedouins if the depots are clogged with old and practically free missiles?

[Professor]

Quote: Muvka

Why use new and expensive missiles in the war against the Bedouins if the depots are clogged with old and practically free missiles?

And in order to get from the first time and where it is necessary, and not where God sends.

[Muvka]

Quote: professor

Quote: Muvka

Why use new and expensive missiles in the war against the Bedouins if the depots are clogged with old and practically free missiles?

And in order to get from the first time and where it is necessary, and not where God sends.

Please statistics on the hits of Helfaire and our guys in Syria. You do not take it out of your head, you have numbers, right?

[Professor]

Quote: Muvka

Please statistics on the hits of Helfaire and our guys in Syria. You do not take it out of your head, you have numbers, right?

Of course, the numbers: KVO is at your 100m (see the extreme shelling of the refinery), and these bourgeois with Helfire do not even talk about KVO. Pintpoint. She flies into the window.

[Muvka]

Quote: professor

Quote: Muvka

Please statistics on the hits of Helfaire and our guys in Syria. You do not take it out of your head, you have numbers, right?

Of course, the numbers: KVO is at your 100m (see the extreme shelling of the refinery), and these bourgeois with Helfire do not even talk about KVO. Pintpoint. She flies into the window.

What nonsense are you talking about? I don’t even want to comment. At a guided missile KVO 100 meters ... Did not drink? We even have unguided ammunition that they drop from a plane (Soviet sourdough) with a maximum of 7-10 meters deviation.

[atalef]

Quote: Muvka

We even have unguided ammunition that they drop from a plane (Soviet sourdough) with a maximum of 7-10 meters deviation.

[poquello]

Quote: atalef

Quote: Muvka

We even have unguided ammunition that they drop from a plane (Soviet sourdough) with a maximum of 7-10 meters deviation.

nefig smile, there are facts well

[atalef]

Quote: poquello

nefig smile, there are facts well

1000 times this topic has already been sucked up, even if you roll over, and a KVO of 5-10 m when bombing with 5000 m, uncontrolled bombs cannot be achieved.

Look at the crosshairs of the sight, correlate with the width of the road and you will see for yourself where there is 5 or 10 m.
A BFM of a freely falling bomb 100m, with an aim of 20-50 m - which is generally a good indicator, but talking about 5 m is just not serious.

[Muvka]

Quote: atalef

Quote: poquello

nefig smile, there are facts well

1000 times this topic has already been sucked up, even if you roll over, and a KVO of 5-10 m when bombing with 5000 m, uncontrolled bombs cannot be achieved.

Look at the crosshairs of the sight, correlate with the width of the road and you will see for yourself where there is 5 or 10 m.
A BFM of a freely falling bomb 100m, with an aim of 20-50 m - which is generally a good indicator, but talking about 5 m is just not serious.

How cool one bomb exploded .... The first time I see this. Or maybe it's still the Tu22-M3? They immediately throw a bunch of bombs without much aim. You can exactly the video where one bomb missed.

[Professor]

Quote: atalef

with a sight of 20-50 m -

The same 100 meters. Do not believe in fairy tales about Hermes. The video of the bombing of the plant proves this once again.

Quote: Muvka

How cool one bomb exploded .... The first time I see this. Or maybe it's still the Tu22-M3? They immediately throw a bunch of bombs without much aim. You can exactly the video where one bomb missed.

I can show you the results of the bombardment of the carcasses where all the bombs fell past the target, but I'm afraid that the discussion will go very, very far.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

I can show you the results of the bombing of the Carcasses where all the bombs fell past the target,

here, in the rest you have the only video where the system may have messed up, you still haven't laid out

[longin]

Take a look at the results of the past air darts.

[goose]

If KAB, then seriously, the main goal is to capture.

[poquello]

Quote: atalef

Look at the crosshairs of the sight, correlate with the width of the road and you will see for yourself where there is 5 or 10 m.

Professor even a fade, the same question - where is the camera?

[Professor]

Quote: poquello

Professor even a fade, the same question - where is the camera?

I don’t know where the camera is. I see where the bombs hit.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Quote: poquello

Professor even a fade, the same question - where is the camera?

I don’t know where the camera is. I see where the bombs hit.

and how can you not see where were aimingbut claim to have missed goals? UAV below, which Kyne does, and aim with 6000 IMHO.

[iConst]

Quote: atalef

See the crosshairs of the sight

What is the crosshair? This is from a surveillance drone.

And the result just shows that the bomb hit the very bull's eye - an erupting shock wave along the lines of communication.

Look carefully - first you can see a small swelling "pimple" from a concrete-piercing bomb, and then the result.

The fact that there is nothing at the place where the bomb hit shows that the bomb penetrated the ceiling, but it withstood an internal explosion and the entire shock wave went along the courses and into neighboring underground rooms.

[atalef]

Quote: iConst

What is the crosshair? This is from a surveillance drone.

Why do you think so ?

Quote: iConst

that the bomb hit the very bullseye

????? How do you know ?

Quote: iConst

Look carefully - first you can see a small swelling "pimple" from a concrete-piercing bomb, and then the result.

I do not see

Quote: iConst

The fact that there is nothing at the place where the bomb hit shows that the bomb penetrated the ceiling, but it withstood an internal explosion and the entire shock wave went along the courses and into neighboring underground rooms.

[iConst]

Quote: atalef

Why do you think so ?

-And why did you decide the opposite?

Quote: atalef

????? How do you know ?

- Look at more shots from explosions when a bomb hits just the ground and into an underground room. Questions will disappear - you will see the difference.

Quote: atalef

I do not see

Well, what can I say - one of two things: you have either vision problems or the State Department syndrome
You also posted a video ...

Incidentally - why do you always separate the question mark with a space?

[Professor]

Quote: Muvka

What nonsense are you talking about? I don’t even want to comment. At a guided missile KVO 100 meters ... Did not drink? We even have unguided ammunition that they drop from a plane (Soviet sourdough) with a maximum of 7-10 meters deviation.

Open the eyes and look:



And now for this:

Quote: Skubudu

You are comparing a missile with a seeker with free-falling bombs ... incorrectly.

I compare what is used, and then

Quote: Muvka

I have a question for you. Why use new and expensive missiles in the war against the Bedouins if the depots are clogged with old and practically free missiles?

[Muvka]

Boy, are you really sick? To compare the unguided bomb and ATGMs is this how much you need to be? Usually I do not insult, but here I can not help but write. Excuse me.

[Professor]

Quote: Muvka

Boy, are you really sick? To compare the unguided bomb and ATGMs is this how much you need to be? Usually I do not insult, but here I can not help but write. Excuse me.

Girl, I'm really a guy and really sick (in moderation), but you are either not able to understand or not careful:

Quote: Muvka

I have a question for you. Why use new and expensive missiles in the war against the Bedouins if the depots are clogged with old and practically free missiles?

I answered your own question:

Quote: professor

And in order to get from the first time and where it is necessary, and not where God sends.

[goose]

Quote: professor

I answered your own question:

No, they didn’t answer, they left to the side.
Well, compare with the old ATGMs, such as Cornet, for example. Why bombs, and even uncontrollable take? Moreover, in the case of bombs, the target was areal more than 1 ha ?? You are inadequate.
In the case of a television head, a comparison is appropriate with the X-29.

[Professor]

Quote: goose

No, they didn’t answer, they left to the side.

It answered.

[poquello]

Quote: professor

Open the eyes and look:

And where is the camera?

[Sobol]

Quote: poquello

Quote: professor

Open the eyes and look:

And where is the camera?

Apparently he believes that the Tu-22

[Zaurbek]

They compared X ... with a finger, bombing a factory with a bomber and shooting with 1-2 km of bearded ones. ATGM can not be used; a 30mm gun would do perfectly.

[iConst]

Quote: Zaurbek

They compared X ... with a finger, bombing a factory with a bomber and shooting with 1-2 km of bearded ones.

I mean the same.

Professor turns into a troll.

[iConst]

Quote: professor

Open the eyes and look:

-For what? On the direct target designation screen?

Once again - frames from an observing drone, not a target indicator.

Stop comparing this one with your finger ...

[Professor]

Quote: iConst

Once again - frames from an observing drone, not a target indicator.

And where did I talk about target designation? Look where you hit, that's what matters.

[iConst]

Quote: professor

Look where you hit, that's what matters.

“How do you know where the bomb was aimed?”

If the bomb didn’t go where you wanted it to be your problem.

[Verdun]

Open the eyes and look:

Opened. I looked. Got a question. Why, in the second video, did the rocket fly not at the target that was in capture, but somewhere else?

[poquello]

Quote: professor

(see extreme shelling of the refinery)

for me lazy and stupid in more detail

[Skubudu]

You are comparing a missile with a seeker with free-falling bombs ... incorrectly.

[goose]

Quote: professor

KVO at your 100m

This is ATGM QUO 100m ??? Nonsense

[Professor]

Quote: goose

This is ATGM QUO 100m ??? Nonsense

Who said ATGM?

[Winnie76]

Quote: professor

Of course the numbers are: QUO at your 100m

This is how many missiles are needed to hit a tank. There are probably 50 pieces ... But in the Moscow region, men don't know. I'm afraid to even suggest the Spike KVO. Probably a "pintpoint" in a mosquito pipka. Professor, you are the best))))))

[Professor]

Quote: Winnie76

Professor, you are the best))))))

Do not even hesitate. But you are not attentive. I do not compare the accuracy of bourgeois and Russian anti-tank systems.

Quote: iConst

“How do you know where the bomb was aimed?”

It's true. Usually, when an oil refinery is bombed, it is very important not to immediately get in, but with a third or fourth attempt. This is a new word in military science.

[dmi.pris1]

Well, you can also fight against the Bedouins with a Berdanka .. And there are serious opponents with modern weapons. Yes, I agree that we must use the old stocks too. But we use our modern MI28s there, and they should have the most advanced weapons. Yes, and try out in battle necessary.

Quote: Muvka

Quote: dmi.pris

What is it? Is it all on a helicopter ?? Images from Syria .. The operator has to hold the mark of the sight until it hits .. But it didn’t shoot and forgot. The helicopter is in the target position for some time ..

Quote: Muvka

Quote: dmi.pris

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

So there is already an answer. Sarmat and Status-6. The best and not very (relatively) expensive answer.

I have a question for you. Why use new and expensive missiles in the war against the Bedouins if the depots are clogged with old and practically free missiles?

[Muvka]

Quote: dmi.pris

Well, you can also fight against the Bedouins with a Berdanka .. And there are serious opponents with modern weapons. Yes, I agree that we must use the old stocks too. But we use our modern MI28s there, and they should have the most advanced weapons. Yes, and try out in battle necessary.

Quote: Muvka

Quote: dmi.pris

What is it? Is it all on a helicopter ?? Images from Syria .. The operator has to hold the mark of the sight until it hits .. But it didn’t shoot and forgot. The helicopter is in the target position for some time ..

Quote: Muvka

Quote: dmi.pris

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

So there is already an answer. Sarmat and Status-6. The best and not very (relatively) expensive answer.

I have a question for you. Why use new and expensive missiles in the war against the Bedouins if the depots are clogged with old and practically free missiles?

And how do you get information that our pilots have not tested new missiles in Syria. Link please? Or do you think that if they did not show us how some new weapons are being tested in Syria, then this did not happen? Do you know the concept of military secrets? Or maybe you need a video test of the same Sarmat with numbers and negotiations?

[dmi.pris1]

I say that there you have to fight with a serious opponent, and not with the allies of Lawrence of Arabia. You underestimate the enemy, and this is bad .. What kind of weapons are used, we don’t know, I agree.

[Muvka]

Quote: dmi.pris

I say that there you have to fight with a serious opponent, and not with the allies of Lawrence of Arabia. You underestimate the enemy, and this is bad .. What kind of weapons are used, we don’t know, I agree.

ISIL has many tanks? Abrams? Leopards? T-72 at least? What is this serious opponent with the T-64? And there is no aviation. They do not even have serious air defense systems. What is the problem, against such opponents, hang in 3-4km and shoot stocks of old animals?

[dmi.pris1]

Well, since it’s not serious then mow them with a checker .. A flag in your hands ..

Quote: Muvka

Quote: dmi.pris

I say that there you have to fight with a serious opponent, and not with the allies of Lawrence of Arabia. You underestimate the enemy, and this is bad .. What kind of weapons are used, we don’t know, I agree.

ISIL has many tanks? Abrams? Leopards? T-72 at least? What is this serious opponent with the T-64? And there is no aviation. They do not even have serious air defense systems. What is the problem, against such opponents, hang in 3-4km and shoot stocks of old animals?

[Skubudu]

If for our helicopters MI-28 / KA-52 there would be missiles with GOS (Shot-forgot) type Hellfire, ours would certainly use them and shoot a video - this is a demonstration, demonstration of opportunities, advertising, prestige, etc.
Remember how they shot Caliber ... why? - demonstration of opportunities.
But there is only a video of shooting with an MI-28 attack / whirlwind, what's the difference ... the helicopter has to hang in the air, accompanying the rocket, substituting for air defense, thank God the enemy did not have air defense.

[Muvka]

Quote: Skubudu

If for our helicopters MI-28 / KA-52 there would be missiles with GOS (Shot-forgot) type Hellfire, ours would certainly use them and shoot a video - this is a demonstration, demonstration of opportunities, advertising, prestige, etc.
Remember how they shot Caliber ... why? - demonstration of opportunities.
But there is only a video of shooting with an MI-28 attack / whirlwind, what's the difference ... the helicopter has to hang in the air, accompanying the rocket, substituting for air defense, thank God the enemy did not have air defense.

And they showed you the equipment when they shot calibers? How were they brought about and the like? No. Because it is secret. It’s not difficult to film the start of missiles. Now please tell me how to remove a ATGM flight from a helicopter without showing an aiming system? AS?

[atalef]

Quote: Skubudu

demonstration of opportunities, advertising, prestige, etc.
Remember how they shot Caliber ... why? - demonstration of opportunities.

Well, the calibers were captured only the moment of a rocket shot - where did they get, how many flew, what is the accuracy - no one knows about this.

The Iranian edition of Qasion News Agency has published photos of the remnants of parts of a rocket that they claim fell in Iran after launching the Caspian flotilla from Russian ships. Qasioun reports that one of the missiles fell in the desert near the village of Gazzkaban, located near the city of Tekab, located in northwestern Iran. The province of Urmia, in which it is located, is populated mainly by the Kurdish majority.

Details at: http://dos-news.com/lenta_novostei/rossijskie-rakety-upali-v-irane-foto.html

[Zaurbek]

Already there are systems with automatic target tracking, but for some reason helicopters do not have them.

[Zaurbek]

Already there are systems with automatic target tracking, but for some reason helicopters do not have them.

[Scoun]

Quote: dmi.pris

But we use our modern MI28s there, and they must have the most advanced weapons.

Quote: dmi.pris

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

I will be laconic.

Putin demanded to eliminate identified during ...
tvc.ru ›news / show / id / 91925
The operation in Syria revealed problems and shortcomings in the Russian Armed Forces. This was stated by President Vladimir Putin at a meeting with the military and the defense industry.

News - Vladimir Putin praised the work of the latest military ...
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Putin demanded a comprehensive study of the experience of using precision weapons in Syria. ... 11.05.16/XNUMX/XNUMX

[NordUral]

And then, that the Bedouins from MANPADS also know how to bullet.

[Muvka]

Quote: NordUral

And then, that the Bedouins from MANPADS also know how to bullet.

And a lot of Bedouins shot down our helicopters or planes from MANPADS? Probably our pilots are just lucky ...

[GSH-18]

Quote: Muvka

Quote: NordUral

And then, that the Bedouins from MANPADS also know how to bullet.

And a lot of Bedouins shot down our helicopters or planes from MANPADS? Probably our pilots are just lucky ...

This is not at all the merit of our missiles. This is a huge plus for helicopter rebuild systems developers. Learn materiel dear.

[Muvka]

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: Muvka

Quote: NordUral

And then, that the Bedouins from MANPADS also know how to bullet.

And a lot of Bedouins shot down our helicopters or planes from MANPADS? Probably our pilots are just lucky ...

This is not at all the merit of our missiles. This is a huge plus for helicopter rebuild systems developers. Learn materiel dear.

So what is the problem of shooting stockpiles of old missiles, if there is no way to get an answer, thanks to the merits of EW developers? I kind of talked about it.

[Altona]

Quote: Muvka

And a lot of Bedouins shot down our helicopters or planes from MANPADS?

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One was shot down stupidly by a grenade launcher during a landing to rescue pilots from a downed Su-24.

[Muvka]

Quote: Altona

Quote: Muvka

And a lot of Bedouins shot down our helicopters or planes from MANPADS?

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One was shot down stupidly by a grenade launcher during a landing to rescue pilots from a downed Su-24.

What grenade launcher? What kind of fantasies?

[MACCABI-TLV]

You, or very pretend to be a resident of the Russian Federation or

[fzr1000]

Stupidly hit the ground.

[goose]

Quote: NordUral

And then, that the Bedouins from MANPADS also know how to bullet.

The range of Stinger and Needles horizontally is about 4 km, so it is dangerous to substitute for them.

[potroshenko]

I have a question for you. Why use new and expensive missiles in the war against the Bedouins if the depots are clogged with old and practically free missiles?

You speak as if there are "new and expensive" rockets "fire-forget".

[Muvka]

Quote: potroshenko

I have a question for you. Why use new and expensive missiles in the war against the Bedouins if the depots are clogged with old and practically free missiles?

You speak as if there are "new and expensive" rockets "fire-forget".

Rocket 9M127 is made according to the aerodynamic configuration "Duck" with a folding wing. The supersonic flight speed of the rocket is designed to reduce the time spent by a helicopter or aircraft in the zone of influence of air defense systems and, accordingly, to increase its survivability. The ATGM also embodies the "fire - forget" principle with the possibility of a salvo launch of two missiles.

[potroshenko]

The 9M127 missile has been completed ... ..... The ATGM also embodies the principle of "fire - forget"

Aren't you ashamed to lie? Tenacity 80 lvl? Or on a salary?

[Genry]

Quote: Muvka

Also in the ATGM the principle of "fire - forget" is embodied

More precisely, "fire and do not twitch", otherwise the automatic tracking will break or the operator will manually pull off the target.
The “fire and forget” principle is when you shoot and hide.

[Professor]

Quote: Genry

More precisely, "fire and do not twitch", otherwise the automatic tracking will break or the operator will manually pull off the target.
The “fire and forget” principle is when you shoot and hide.

It is this method that is implemented there.

[just exp]

it may be clean here. And so JAGM along the way is the most advanced ATGM at the moment (though the tests are ongoing, but they will accept it. The armata is also only being tested).
she has a laser seeker and an infrared and even active radar (most cymes).
so you need to think about an analogue and how to deal with it (although KAZ can solve this problem with Armata).

[Vadim237]

So far, we only have the obsolete Whirlwind 1.

[Muvka]

Quote: Vadim237

So far, we only have the obsolete Whirlwind 1.

Well, just for fun, did you know that the "outdated" Vortex is newer than Helfair? Or are we so Russophobic that it flows directly from us for any reason?

[mole]

Quote: Muvka

Well, just for fun, did you know that the "outdated" Vortex is newer than Helfair? Or are we so Russophobic that it flows directly from us for any reason?

If the "outdated" Vortex was American, and Helfair were ours, they would comment on exactly the opposite. There is such a category - admirers of everything Western (concerns not only weapons, but also the way of life). Firstly, you need to know your weapon, secondly - to be able to use it, thirdly - to believe.
By the way, as a rule, the domestic answer is more practical and cheaper to perform specific tasks.

[Leto]

Quote: Mole

There is such a category - admirers of the whole western (it concerns not only weapons, but also lifestyle). Firstly, you need to know your weapon, secondly - to be able to use it, and thirdly - to believe.

A whirlwind with a semi-active laser seeker, Attack with radio command guidance. JAGM is equipped with two regime seeker semi-active laser and radar mm range. The range when starting from a helicopter is 16 km., At the Whirlwind and Attack 10 and 8 km. respectively. Without bowing to the notorious West, can you say that our ATGMs are better?

[Muvka]

Quote: Leto

Quote: Mole

There is such a category - admirers of the whole western (it concerns not only weapons, but also lifestyle). Firstly, you need to know your weapon, secondly - to be able to use it, and thirdly - to believe.

A whirlwind with a semi-active laser seeker, Attack with radio command guidance. JAGM is equipped with two regime seeker semi-active laser and radar mm range. The range when starting from a helicopter is 16 km., At the Whirlwind and Attack 10 and 8 km. respectively. Without bowing to the notorious West, can you say that our ATGMs are better?

No one argues that the latest rocket will be better. There is a debate about the fact that we have bad missiles even in comparison with the helfer. And I'm not sure that we are not developing new anti-tank systems.

[Leto]

Quote: Muvka

There is a debate about the fact that we have bad missiles even in comparison with the helfer.

They are equally good against the "babakhs", the only thing is that the Americans drive turntables at night, so far we have only a sad experience of a night war.

Quote: Muvka

And I'm not sure that we are not developing new anti-tank systems.

If not shown at exhibitions, then there is nothing worthwhile.

[goose]

Quote: Leto

Without bowing to the notorious West you can say that our ATGMs are better

The Whirlwind has the last missiles with a range of 14 km, and there is a radar guidance head, all the same. But a huge plus - the rocket speed is about 2,5 MAX. At the same time, all this is ready and working, but not being developed. Hellfire had a modification with a television radio command guidance head, very useful in some cases.

[mole]

Quote: Leto

A whirlwind with a semi-active laser seeker, Attack with radio command guidance. JAGM is equipped with two regime seeker semi-active laser and radar mm range. The range when starting from a helicopter is 16 km., At the Whirlwind and Attack 10 and 8 km. respectively. Without bowing to the notorious West, can you say that our ATGMs are better?

Firstly, only test launches were carried out, there was no combat use of JAGM. The initial operational readiness of the JAGM rocket should be achieved in 2018. Therefore, it is not correct to compare the prototype with the armament.
Secondly, ensuring the flight range when starting from a helicopter of 16 km. planned only at the third stage of development. On the first - 8km., On the second - 12km. At the moment of time, there is no difference in range of Whirlwind and Attack.
Thirdly, I am 100% sure that Ours are also preparing something, the only thing is not being promoted so that they can beg for money to finance development.
Fourth, in my opinion, our ATGMs will still be cheaper.

[goose]

Quote: Mole

Fourth, in my opinion, our ATGMs will still be cheaper.

This is unlikely. The speed is 3 times more, the mass of the rocket is almost 2 times more to provide energy. Those. our rocket is more expensive and more complicated. We just ask for less for it - less wages, kickbacks, depreciation, working conditions.

[mole]

We will have more expensive depreciation from depreciation

[GSH-18]

Quote: Muvka

Well, just for fun, did you know that the "outdated" Vortex is newer than Helfair?

And what is it newer? The fact that it was developed later by the Ameripupov prodigy, which is also more technologically advanced? Turn off urrykalki and turn on the brain.

[Muvka]

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: Muvka

Well, just for fun, did you know that the "outdated" Vortex is newer than Helfair?

And what is it newer? The fact that it was developed later by the Ameripupov prodigy, which is also more technologically advanced? Turn off urrykalki and turn on the brain.

So why is a whirlwind worse? Hellfire also became "fire-forget" only after modifications. And the first were also guided by a laser.

[goose]

Quote: Muvka

So why is a whirlwind worse? Hellfire also became "fire-forget" only after modifications. And the first were also guided by a laser.

Let's start with the fact that RL-Hellfire and the rest can only be launched from one carrier - Apache, the rest do not have target designation tools. All other drones, planes, helicopters cannot use radar modifications, i.e. laser, infrared and tele-GOS will remain the most sought after. In the near future, drones and aircraft will be able to use the radar-seeker, but this is likely to not cancel the traditional laser. For instability and interference are chronic incurable shortcomings. Laser is more reliable. And what’s significant - cheaper. In addition, the radar seeker is seriously limited by production capabilities.

[potroshenko]

Well, just for fun, did you know that the "outdated" Vortex is newer than Helfair?

So it’s even more shameful to create a newer ATGM, but with worse performance. Do you specifically humiliate Soviet weapons with your comments?

[Muvka]

Quote: potroshenko

Well, just for fun, did you know that the "outdated" Vortex is newer than Helfair?

So it’s even more shameful to create a newer ATGM, but with worse performance. Do you specifically humiliate Soviet weapons with your comments?

It is possible in numbers, the worse. I'm waiting.

[potroshenko]

It is possible in numbers, the worse. I'm waiting.

Modernization potential. Hellfire has already let the III generation "let go, forget" for 18 years, and the Whirlwind only in 2015 went to the troops of the II generation.

[Skubudu]

Rather, a realist and not a Russophobe.
We must really look at things, Whirlwind and attack is the last century.

[GSH-18]

Quote: dmi.pris

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

That's for sure. And then we still have such missiles at launch, it is necessary to manually hold the marker on a moving target!
Recall the famous shots of our Mi-28 attacks on daishas in Syria at night.

[Muvka]

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: dmi.pris

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

That's for sure. And then we still have such missiles at launch, it is necessary to manually hold the marker on a moving target!
Recall the famous shots of our Mi-28 attacks on daishas in Syria at night.

Again. What makes you think they will show you how to fire the latest missiles? Well, why? And why, when our warehouses are clogged with old missiles, we should not dispose of them in military operations in this way? Learn to think, please.

[GSH-18]

Quote: Muvka

And why, when our warehouses are clogged with old missiles, we should not dispose of them in military operations in this way?

The war in Syria is not only (or rather not even so much) the disposal of old Soviet arsenals. Otherwise, we would not have seen the Su-30SM, Su-34, Su-35S, Ka-25, Mi-28N, the same "Caliber", etc. there.

Quote: Muvka

Learn to think, please.

[dmi.pris1]

So in the warehouses there is also PPSh .. Well, about learning to think .. I can teach you (no offense, they themselves started). There is experience.

Quote: Muvka

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: dmi.pris

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

That's for sure. And then we still have such missiles at launch, it is necessary to manually hold the marker on a moving target!
Recall the famous shots of our Mi-28 attacks on daishas in Syria at night.

Again. What makes you think they will show you how to fire the latest missiles? Well, why? And why, when our warehouses are clogged with old missiles, we should not dispose of them in military operations in this way? Learn to think, please.

[potroshenko]

Again. What makes you think they will show you how to fire the latest missiles? Well, why? And why, when our warehouses are clogged with old missiles, we should not dispose of them in military operations in this way? Learn to think, please.

That is, obsolete calibers were shot from warehouses? And the Su-35 and S-400 are old there, which is time to dispose of?
You are as bleached before your eyes as you are arguing stubbornly with obvious facts.

[Muvka]

Quote: potroshenko

Again. What makes you think they will show you how to fire the latest missiles? Well, why? And why, when our warehouses are clogged with old missiles, we should not dispose of them in military operations in this way? Learn to think, please.

That is, obsolete calibers were shot from warehouses? And the Su-35 and S-400 are old there, which is time to dispose of?
You are as bleached before your eyes as you are arguing stubbornly with obvious facts.

You really don’t understand? The appearance of a weapon externally is no secret. Have you seen how calibers aimed? Or saw how the Su-35S looks inside? You will not find a single photo of what the drying dashboard looks like. Or the S-400 radar. But the shooting itself will not be shown to you. For a long time.

[potroshenko]

You really don’t understand? The appearance of a weapon externally is no secret. Have you seen how calibers aimed? Or saw how the Su-35S looks inside? You will not find a single photo of what the drying dashboard looks like. Or the S-400 radar. But the shooting itself will not be shown to you. For a long time.

Well, now you have the last uppercut according to your logic. Have you seen at least a report on the 3rd generation ATGM tests in Russia? At least a name, plans for adoption?

[dmi.pris1]

Here I am talking about the same thing ... Even the president admitted that there were problems with the equipment ... Yes, it is impossible without that. Everything needs to be checked and double-checked in a combat situation ..

Quote: GSH-18

Quote: dmi.pris

Our specialists and designers should be very careful in answering these developments.

That's for sure. And then we still have such missiles at launch, it is necessary to manually hold the marker on a moving target!
Recall the famous shots of our Mi-28 attacks on daishas in Syria at night.

[Saburov]

Quote: GSH-18

That's for sure. And then we still have such missiles at launch, it is necessary to manually hold the marker on a moving target!
Recall the famous shots of our Mi-28 attacks on daishas in Syria at night.

The shot-and-forget system has a number of disadvantages both from a tactical and technical point of view.
Missiles, regardless of their combat mission, are divided into three groups:
_ passive guidance
_ semi-active guidance
_ active guidance.
The principle of passive guidance is based on the target’s own radiation (thermal or radio radiation), in this case the missile is equipped with the so-called 'homing head', which brings the missile to the target. The advantage of this principle is that the operator works on the principle of "let-forget", hence the main drawback, if necessary, it is impossible to intervene in the guidance process. The probability of hitting a target with such a missile is rather low, approximately 0,3-0,4. This principle of guidance has become widespread in man-portable air defense systems (MANPADS).
The principle of semi-active guidance is based on external illumination of the target from an external source (radar laser beam), in this case the missile is also equipped with a homing head, but strictly tuned to the emitter code. With this guidance method, the operator must illuminate the target until it is hit by a rocket. The advantage of such guidance lies in the possibility of 'highlighting' the target from another (not installed on the carrier) source, in which case the carrier will be able to act on the principle of 'let-forget.' The possibility of re-targeting the rocket by the operator is virtually eliminated. The disadvantage of this guidance method is that the missile is capable of self-re-targeting to a brighter target (the case when a Ukrainian aircraft was hit by a Ukrainian anti-aircraft missile). The probability of hitting a target with such a missile is approximately 0,6-0,7 (for laser illumination more than 0,8). This guidance principle is used in obsolete anti-aircraft missile systems, as well as in both versions (for the AGM-114A laser, for the AGM-114 B radar) ATGM 'Hellfaer'. The principle of active guidance is based on the direct control of the flight of a rocket (via radio, or wires) by an operator (automatic) located on the carrier. The advantages of this method are that the operator has full control of the guidance of the rocket, the defeat of the 'false' target is practically excluded, there is the possibility of re-targeting. The disadvantage is that the operator is obliged to carry out the guidance of the rocket until it meets the target. The probability of defeat is more than 0,8. Most modern anti-aircraft missile systems, ATGMs "Sturm" and "Attack", as well as outdated (guided by wire), but still in service with the US Army ATGM "Tou", work on this principle.

[Saburov]

The same goes for the Hellfire missile, it is not guided by the radar, it is a 'semi-active' missile that requires target illumination with a coded laser beam, or radar radiation from an external source. It sounds beautiful, but it doesn’t have any special advantages over the Sturm and Attack missiles, while the Hellfire-A has very serious shortcomings, disruption of guidance in the conditions of smoke and dust (which is almost always present in the combat area) the impossibility of aiming at targets that do not have a reflective surface (embrasure of the bunker), the impossibility of using at night. It was for the possibility of night use was developed 'Hellfire-B'. But along with the aforementioned advantage, this missile received such disadvantages as a high probability of spontaneous re-targeting, a unmasking homing process and what is also a higher cost. Amazingly, the Hellfire rocket, of both modifications, has a subsonic speed, 4km distance. it arrives in 15 seconds (for comparison, the "obsolete" Sturm rocket overcomes the same distance in 9 seconds). In order to overcome the declared maximum range of 7 km. The Hellfire missile will take 22 seconds, perhaps the tank crew will have time to drink coffee before proceeding with the installation of a smoke screen, or passive interference. The installation of a smoke screen (the most common way to mask armored vehicles) is not always effective against the Sturm missile. It is enough for the operator to see a fragment of the target (or the contours of the target) through the smoke screen to hit the target. It is also very likely that a completely invisible target is struck if its position is known (it was possible to detect before setting the smoke screen) relative to visible landmarks. The Hellfire-A missile in these cases is completely useless.

[Zaurbek]

Our developments follow the path of automatic target tracking. Changes are being made to the control system, and missiles will probably be used and old ones.
Cornet EM new ones already come with such a control system. On the SAM Shell is a very similar system. the rocket there is not homing.

[siberalt]

I hope the truck was driving without a driver

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: siberalt

I hope the truck was driving without a driver

Why these sentiments, we are at war ))). Say, just .... I hope you missed

[GSH-18]

Quote: siberalt

I hope the truck was driving without a driver

But here the question is even more interesting, was it the truck at all?

[Professor]

Hellfire ("Hellfire") "

The name is not from the word hell (hell), but from the word helicopter (helicopter -Helicopter Launched Fire and forget missile).

[GSH-18]

Quote: professor

The name is not from the word hell (hell), but from the word helicopter (helicopter -Helicopter

Come on! And the second letter "L" in the word Helldid fires of America on illiteracy? Professor, are you a professor or a prowess?

[Conductor]

Look again)
Written by Helicopter Launched - second letter L

[Professor]

Quote: GSH-18

Professor, are you a professor or a prowess?

A weighty argument. Would you even look at the wiki.

[Manul]

Quote: professor

The name is not from the word hell, but from the word helicopter (helicopter -Helicopter Launched, Fire and Forget Missile).

Would you even look at the wiki.

In the same your Vick (and not only), which you refer to literally translated as "hellfire". Moreover, we all know the love of amers for beautiful-sounding names. Maybe both names are appropriate and you don't need to knock yourself on the forehead, will you beat it off again?
By the way, professor, is it possible for the Halfire to be manually operated? To correct targeting after a failure due to external interference?

[Professor]

Quote: Manul

In the same your Vika (and not only), which you refer to literally translated as "hellfire".

Typical AKA.

Quote: Manul

Both names may be appropriate and you don’t have to knock yourself on the forehead, beat off yet?

All that can be repulsed. Here I have already been diagnosed that I am sick.

Quote: Manul

By the way, professor, is it possible for the Halfire to be manually operated? To correct targeting after a failure due to external interference?

No.

PS
Boeing / Lockheed Martin (Rockwell / Martin Marietta) AGM-114 Hellfire
The program to develop a laser guided fire-and-forget anti-armor missile was initiated in 1971 under the name Helicopter Launched Fire and Forget Missile (leading to the acronym Hellfire).

PPS
Interesting article:
Getting the Most from a Lethal Missile System
The name “Hellfire” is derived from an acronym for Helibornelaunched, Fire and
Forget, but the name can be misleading.

PPPS
AGM-114 Hellfire
Development of this weapon began in 1974, as a US Army program. In its conceptual phase, the AGM-114 was known as the "HELFIRE", a portmanteau of"WHOLEicopter Launched FIRE and forget "

[Vadim237]

The article on the missile itself is not enough - It is assumed that the new 3rd generation JAGM ATGM will be adopted by the U.S. Army in 2016, with a missile range of up to 16 km. It is assumed that in the aircraft version, the maximum range of missile use will increase to 28 kilometers. The new anti-tank missile will be equipped with a guidance system that is similar to that installed on the Brimstone missiles.

The missile will receive a multi-mode homing head (GOS), which detects and recognizes targets using a built-in algorithm. The JAGM missile will be equipped with either a tandem (armor penetration up to 1200 mm), or high-explosive fragmentation warhead. This example once again testifies to the active work on the creation of long-range ATGMs in the USA and developed countries of the world as a whole.

Earlier, Boeing and Raytheon announced the completion of the first series of 1 US Department of Defense-funded test runs of the prototype of the new unified JAGM air-launched anti-tank missile at the White Sands training ground (New Mexico) -land". During the tests, the JAGM ATGM, using a laser targeting system, was able to successfully hit an 3x8 foot (8x2,5 m) target located at a distance of 2,5 km.

[Thunderbolt]

Quote: Vadim237

The article on the rocket itself is not enough

Here’s a video on the topic (I hope I wasn’t mistaken with the video), in the cartoon they strike a moving column of Russian equipment. There is another video with a full-scale demonstration of this same JAGM. There the rocket from above falls into a motionless tank of Russian production. There should be no illusions why they are developing such a rocket --- not only stuff the pockets of their tailcoats with gold.
Yesterday I watched the exercises of the Norwegian infantry --- at their mountain shooting range, automated growth targets are painted in the green tone of our camouflage, the helmet is cut to fit the shape of our helmet, except that "IVAN" was not written in big letters ... similar to the German "Tigers" in their chapped shape. Can anyone explain to me that NATO is a peaceful organization that brings progress and security to neighboring countries?

[Leto]

Quote: Thunderbolt

Can someone explain to me intelligently that NATO is a peaceful organization that brings progress and security to neighboring countries?

NATO before the events in Ukraine was a dying organization whose European members were engaged in the sale of accumulated equipment around the world. In the context of the European financial crisis, the costs of maintaining NATO were a heavy burden, and only US cash injections supported life in it (in 2009, FIVE! Of 28 NATO member countries made contributions!). At the end of 2013 the head of NATO, Anders Fogh Rasmussen, tearfully asked for payment of contributions, otherwise the United States would refuse them. But then Crimea and the DPR / LPR happened and the NATO renaissance began, so much so that Sweden and Finland began to ask there ...
I mean, the NATO bloc was on the verge of collapse and did not constitute any danger.

[Mama_Cholli]

In general, the concept is correct. Shooting with UAV missiles on the ground can bring bearded men to insanity.
pisi:
Although probably they are already crazy ...

[Lt. Air Force stock]

ATGM Air-to-Earth should work on the principle of a forgotten shot. For example, a helicopter flies, sees a convoy of 12 pickups, immediately launches the entire ammunition and destroys the entire convoy at once. And here in Syria, in the 1st 2nd goal, the militants ran out of cars and left.

[Isum]

The purpose of ATGMs is the destruction of armored and lightly armored vehicles, but there are fighters or not, the tenth thing .....

[Lt. Air Force stock]

Quote: IZUM

but there are fighters or not, the tenth thing .....

Only then will these surviving militants take an automatic or ATGM TOW and continue to fight.

[VP]

And what is the novelty compared to the hal?
It has become cheaper or there has appeared something that dramatically improves its performance characteristics - it is completely unclear from the article.

[Leto]

Quote: VP

And what is the novelty compared to the hal?

Range 16km., Dual-band GOS.

[Skubudu]

Unfortunately from our military-industrial complex there is no news about the production of anti-tank systems with GOS.
I don’t understand, they do air-to-air missiles with GOS ... why can't they make anti-tank missiles with GOS?
Maybe it’s the cost of the GOS itself ... it’s expensive to hit tanks with GOS missiles?

[Leto]

Quote: Skubudu

Unfortunately from our military-industrial complex there is no news about the production of anti-tank systems with GOS.

You have written GOS so many times and apparently do not understand the meaning of the abbreviation. GOS - Self-Guidance Head. This very head is on all "smart" ammunition. Domestic anti-tank systems have a seeker, a semi-active laser on Vortex, and a radio command on Attack.

[Mountain shooter]

Missiles of this type, with a "pack" principle of attack, must have communication with each other, elements of artificial intelligence and be able to distribute targets among themselves. This is achievable, although it takes time. An alternative to these missiles is the kamikaze UAV, a loitering munition that can be launched into the attack area and hang over it as long as necessary. Then either attack the "emerging" target, or wave the handle and fly back, and lie in the box until future times. All of these laser-guided ATGMs require GUIDING AND HOLDING the target. The "fire and forget" system at such distances requires a very high sensitivity of the seeker for confident capture of a target with a small signature. For ground combat operations (dust, smoke, precipitation, target movement, target shielding by vegetation or buildings, shooting heat traps, the work of electronic warfare and lasers to "blind" the seeker) - an expensive and not entirely understandable weapon system. Although the key word here is darling

[Isum]

Well, the price of such a rocket is higher than the price of any military cart .....

[Vadim237]

Thousands of 500 bucks will definitely cost.

[Andrey VOV]

here an example was given that when bombing the refinery, not the most high-precision weapons were used .... it seems to me, but why for the Refinery, as well as for the powder, is super high precisely ???? quite close by and such a pindets comes .. well, the frames show ....
and as for the missiles for our helicopters and planes, I shot and forgot the same plan for fighting tanks .... well, I still think that there are some or have already been developed, and it's not a fact that it’s necessary to show this whole thing on TV and all kinds of videos ....... when necessary, then they will show !!!!!

[Leto]

Quote: Andrey VOV

Well, I think nevertheless that there are such or have already been developed

We don’t have anything to show.

[coolpechkin]

I don’t understand the exclamations about the obsolete whirlwind following the example of a video from Syria in which the Mi-28 fires from an attack. As I understand it, the whirlwind is not placed on the Mi-28 and I did not see the video of shooting the Ka-52 ptur. A whirlwind is a weapon on the principle of firing and forgetting, but about the attack of this no one claims what the claim is.

[Vadim237]

"The whirlwind is a weapon on the principle of fired and forgotten, but no one claims about the ATTU attack." The Vortex, like the Attack, is guided by a laser beam, no principle is fired and forgotten there is not close.

[goose]

The last 2 modifications 9M227 have such a principle http://btvt.narod.ru/4/vichr.htm

[Vadim237]

Alas, besides Whirlwind 1 missiles, they did not make new modifications and their GOS also remained on paper.

[coolpechkin]

Quote: Vadim237

"The whirlwind is a weapon on the principle of fired and forgotten, but no one claims about the ATTU attack." The Vortex, like the Attack, is guided by a laser beam, no principle is fired and forgotten there is not close.

You are right blunt. He went into a corner and stayed there.

[Barakuda]

If a Jew appeared on the site, wait for the mess.

[voyaka uh]

On the other hand: if a Jew did NOT appear on the site, wait for boring choral singing