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Modernized Grad presented in Kazakhstan

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The company "Kaztehnologii" presented a radically modernized system of volley fire "Grad". Having abandoned the traditional "Ural", the designers used the KAMAZ chassis, which is assembled in Kazakhstan at the KAMAZ-Engineering enterprise, reports Messenger of Mordovia.


Modernized Grad presented in Kazakhstan


According to a number of experts, in matters of security, the new Kazakhstan “Grad” surpasses the Russian system “Tornado G”.

“The car has received a reservation for the cabin, other critical units. For self-defense on the roof mounted anti-aircraft machine gun PC, which, of course, can be used not only for air, but also for ground targets. A system for launching smoke grenades was also mounted. There are means of communication, ”writes the publication.



“Today we presented a modernized combat vehicle BM-21 MLRS Grad. It meets all modern standards. In the course of the modernization, modern technologies were used, fully automated, increased accuracy of shooting, there is a satellite and automated system. The survival rate on the battlefield is much higher, unlike the previous mark ",
quoted by "Bulletin" the words of the chief specialist of "Kaztechnologies" Andrey Karypov.

“After the test, we expect it to go into a series of combat vehicles of the Armed Forces of the country,” he added, not excluding that foreign customers might be interested in the combat vehicle.



Help edition: "The total mass of the upgraded BM-21 - 15,82 t. Crew - 3 man. Maximum speed - 90 km / h. Power reserve - 500 km. Possible firing range - up to 40 km. The installed automated control system for guidance and fire allows the crew to prepare the car for firing without leaving the cabin. Kazakhstan Grad can be integrated into reconnaissance-strike complexes ”.
Photos used:
http://mod.gov.kz
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  1. kagorta
    kagorta 3 June 2016 08: 34
    +12
    And I like the Kazakhs and their financial unit is better than ours worked. And in the military-industrial complex, cones are stuffing, but developing. Well done.
    By the way, whose positioning system is Glonass or ASS-S? And whose development is the LMS?
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 3 June 2016 08: 41
      +3
      Well, yes, an interesting device turned out! and about navigation most likely both options!
    2. Simon
      Simon 3 June 2016 09: 05
      +3
      In principle, it looks fine! The main thing is given an impetus for modernization, now ours will come up with something cooler. yes
      1. made13
        made13 3 June 2016 10: 20
        +16
        Why cooler? Booking this technique is not necessary, the machine gun too. If it came to the direct clash of the City with the enemy - this is either a betrayal or negligence of the commanders.
        And the extra weight reduces the resource of the chassis and increases fuel consumption.
        1. Leto
          Leto 3 June 2016 10: 44
          +1
          Quote: made13
          Why cooler? Booking this technique is not necessary, the machine gun too.

          It’s possible at the expense of a machine gun, but booking is necessary, a retaliatory strike is quite possible given the enemy’s counter-battery capabilities.
        2. Ratmir_Ryazan
          Ratmir_Ryazan 4 June 2016 11: 00
          +1
          Do you not consider an attack of an enemy sabotage group in the rear or at a position? Or shelling a position with artillery or MLRS of the enemy? Bulletproof and even mine protection on such a powerful chassis that was originally designed for the transport of goods will not reduce its resource in any way, and will not greatly increase consumption, but protection will increase by multiple ... This can save the lives of fighters both in positions during the shelling and when attacking columns of enemy sabotage groups ... For me, now there shouldn’t be armored vehicles at all ...
      2. Buffet
        Buffet 3 June 2016 15: 35
        0
        Please note that it is superior only in terms of security. The question is: "Nifiga goat button accordion?" There is no information on the range, power and other characteristics of the shells.
      3. godofwar6699
        godofwar6699 4 June 2016 01: 38
        +1
        Day 1 Kazakhstan International, exhibition hi
    3. Juborg
      Juborg 3 June 2016 11: 30
      +4
      In general, these are not the first line cars and the reserved cab is not needed in principle. They are not going to ride on it like a tank. It looks brutal, but no more. In terms of the power and range of the projectile, "Tornado-G" is superior, nothing else is needed.
  2. Denis DV
    Denis DV 3 June 2016 08: 36
    +8
    in terms of security, the new Kazakhstan Grad surpasses the Russian Tornado G system


    In total, the cost of the car was increased laughing
    1. Abbra
      Abbra 3 June 2016 08: 38
      +5
      Well, this is still unknown ... In any case, such cooperation is welcome.
      1. Denis DV
        Denis DV 3 June 2016 08: 47
        +4
        How not known? Any body kit and additional weapons cost money. The self-contained multiple launch rocket system was hung with armor and a machine gun. I would have kept such a stuffed animal on a shelf as a model laughing
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    2. Ami du peuple
      Ami du peuple 3 June 2016 08: 40
      +14
      Quote: Denis DV
      In total, the cost of the car was increased
      Tell me why MLRS and a machine gun? Is this a cutting edge car? And what kind of "increase in survivability" in this case we are talking about, against the enemy's DRG or what?
      1. Denis DV
        Denis DV 3 June 2016 08: 52
        +7
        Tell me, why MLRS booking and machine gun? Is this a cutting edge machine?

        Why not laughing this is not a leading edge machine, probably so expensive and worse laughing
        1. Simon
          Simon 3 June 2016 10: 15
          +5
          The machine is designed to work in the frontline, and here may appear and enemy intelligence, and saboteurs. Therefore, machine protection is necessary.
          1. vladimirw
            vladimirw 3 June 2016 12: 19
            +1
            I don’t think that a pumet on the roof will save me from DRG, it’s rather a smoke screen hi
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      3. Winnie76
        Winnie76 3 June 2016 08: 54
        +1
        Quote: Ami du peuple
        Tell me, why MLRS booking and machine gun? Is this a cutting edge machine?

        Direct fire will fig in the same battle order with the Terminators and tanks. It was necessary to put Bahchu on the cockpit, laughed))))
      4. godofwar6699
        godofwar6699 3 June 2016 09: 09
        +4
        better to have armor! hi
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      6. x.andvlad
        x.andvlad 3 June 2016 10: 15
        +1
        If only to protect against fragments during the shelling of the OP, if you have not had time to leave it. But the cabin has probably become prohibitively heavy, because it needs to be lifted for maintenance.
    3. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 3 June 2016 08: 40
      +6
      If the firing range is 40 km., Why bulletproof and splinterproof booking ?! He shot back and was blown away from a position so as not to fall under return fire, or did the concept of using MLRS change ?!
      1. kagorta
        kagorta 3 June 2016 08: 45
        +3
        You are a member of the MLRS calculation and you were given a choice of a car with anti-shatter and bulletproof booking and just without booking? All other characteristics are comparable. What do you choose?
        Yes, I forgot to say that tomorrow on the march the enemy DRG awaits you ...
        1. ALABAY45
          ALABAY45 3 June 2016 08: 49
          +13
          I would choose the fastest car, and not a sedentary "monster" ... Yes, I forgot to say that the DRG may have an RPG in their hands, and, here - "no options" ... hi
          1. aba
            aba 3 June 2016 08: 57
            +4
            I would choose the fastest car

            He already has 90 km / h. So if the difference is if without reservation it will be 95-105 km / h?
            And given the population density and the length of the borders of the Republic of Kazakhstan, even excluding the border with Russia, armor in any case will not be superfluous.
          2. avt
            avt 3 June 2016 09: 25
            +4
            Quote: kagorta
            You are a member of the MLRS calculation and you were given a choice of a car with anti-shatter and bulletproof booking and just without booking? All other characteristics are comparable. What do you choose?

            Quote: ALABAY45
            I would choose the fastest car, not a sedentary "monster"

            Something I doubt that install on Porsche Grad and generally go to the front. laughing Now on the topic - from the positive
            the designers used the KAMAZ chassis, which is assembled in Kazakhstan at the KAMAZ-Engineering enterprise,
            Chassis from a localized manufacturer - a clear solution.
            in terms of security, the new Kazakhstan Grad is superior to the Russian Tornado G system.
            Of course, it’s somehow calmer to drive in a car with protection from riflemen about fragments.
            Now about incomprehensible
            The installed automated guidance and fire control system allows the crew to prepare the vehicle for firing without leaving the cockpit. Kazakhstani Grad can be integrated into reconnaissance and strike complexes ”.
            From the article it is not clear why, in terms of the main armament, this unit is better than the TornadoG? Well, there is no comparative analysis in the article.
            1. ALABAY45
              ALABAY45 3 June 2016 09: 34
              -2
              "... and generally go to the front. laughing ..."
              Me not! You probably have tied the laces on your trousers and your wife in the hallway is feverishly stuffed a piece of fat in the back pocket of your husband’s uniform pants ...?! laughing
        2. Maxom75
          Maxom75 3 June 2016 09: 38
          +7
          And if there is a threat of meeting with the DRG, the escort and cover group is no longer sent to protect the MLRS? Do we keep armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles for beauty in the army? Regarding the machine gun on the roof, have you tried to shoot down a modern plane with a machine gun? And such a caliber is not dangerous at all for a helicopter. Against DRGs, it is useless, since in frontal protection while moving, the machine gun operator will simply be thrown out of the cab while driving or will receive injuries incompatible with life. Try to get somewhere on the off-road with a KAMAZ machine gun from a machine gun.))) Plus the machine gunner's shield is weak protection from a sniper that is in every DRG, and the Kamaz armor is from RPGs. By the way, if the DRG detects the MLRS unaccompanied, then there are very few MLRSs to remain intact, yet these systems are used from the depths of the defense, and not an advanced vehicle. In my opinion, the leadership of the Kazakh military-industrial complex wanted to get some money from the government, so they do what they can, even if this principle does not make sense. Look at Ukraine, this is where the "engineering thought" haunts the hands. The "geniuses of design and engineering thought" from the "Azov" battalion are especially active.))))
          1. Number 17
            Number 17 3 June 2016 15: 33
            0
            That's the right person to write. Listen to him.
        3. rammjager
          rammjager 3 June 2016 09: 50
          +4
          If the enemy’s DRG is on the march, there’s no sense from the machine gun on the roof. However, as well as from bulletproof booking. Take a word.
      2. Gray brother
        Gray brother 3 June 2016 08: 49
        +1
        Quote: ALABAY45
        if the firing range is 40 km., why bulletproof anti-splinter armor ?!

        An armored cabin is not bad - along the way hooligans can fire, and MLRSs are not always used from the utmost distance, but the machine gun is clearly superfluous.
        An interesting example of shushpancerostroeniya.
    4. Denis DV
      Denis DV 3 June 2016 09: 12
      +3
      I will add: as my driving instructor said, "Ural" has one and a half meters of life in front hi
    5. Taygerus
      Taygerus 3 June 2016 09: 32
      0
      I think the point here is the protection of the comrade's cabin, the rest is also only in profile
    6. enot73
      enot73 3 June 2016 09: 40
      +4
      in terms of security, the new Kazakhstan Grad surpasses the Russian Tornado G system
      Quote: Denis DV
      In total, the cost of the car was increased
      "Tornado G" is still more "advanced" MLRS. The system is 15 times more effective than the predecessor "Grad" in terms of combat effectiveness, the ratio of gunpowder to body weight in the new missile has been improved 10 times. In addition to the old used ammunition for the BM-21 MLRS, the range also includes new ammunition with increased range and combat power, as well as specially developed ammunition for the Tornado-G system, which increases its maximum firing range to 100 km.

      Р
      1. Denis DV
        Denis DV 3 June 2016 09: 54
        0
        "Tornado G" is still more "advanced" MLRS

        This is clear to the cat laughing just what do we compare it with the armored cab and the KAMAZ chassis? laughing
      2. code54
        code54 3 June 2016 13: 46
        0
        Odometer? Wow!!! Nothing !!!
  3. kolkulon
    kolkulon 3 June 2016 08: 38
    +3
    Why book? In case of a duel?
    1. KOH
      KOH 3 June 2016 08: 52
      +1
      And why not, for example with drg ...
  4. Zomanus
    Zomanus 3 June 2016 08: 41
    +1
    Something reminiscent of the Novoukrainian technique. Armature on the front is not enough.
  5. Barakuda
    Barakuda 3 June 2016 08: 41
    +1

    According to a number of experts, in matters of security, the new Kazakhstan “Grad” surpasses the Russian system “Tornado G”.

    What kind of system is this? Stupidly shielded telescopic stealth armor.? Well, the author would not write nonsense. The truck is loaded, it is the truck. And the shell already did not care. A fighter for 150 meters in the bushes from RPG organizes scrap.
  6. nelson
    nelson 3 June 2016 08: 42
    +2
    The kamaz presses the Urals, although the BD showed a higher survivability and unpretentiousness of the Urals in isolation from the rem. funds.
  7. BARKAS
    BARKAS 3 June 2016 08: 42
    +1
    And they didn’t put it on the tank like Pinocchio!
  8. Naiman
    Naiman 3 June 2016 08: 43
    +4
    Looks good. Savings due to the use of KAMAZ, which is going to Kazakhstan, are likely. Reservation from bombings, traffic on hot spots, suddenly what will fly from
    1. Gray brother
      Gray brother 3 June 2016 10: 16
      0
      Quote: Naiman
      Looks good. Savings due to the use of KAMAZ, which is going to Kazakhstan, are likely. Reservation from bombings, traffic on hot spots, suddenly what will fly from

      There is still a TZM protected, based on the truck, to gash. And then the shortage turns out.
  9. godofwar6699
    godofwar6699 3 June 2016 08: 43
    +10
    Kazakhstan, production of modern wheeled armored vehicles "Barys" will be organized
    1. godofwar6699
      godofwar6699 4 June 2016 01: 40
      +2
      Barys 8x8 infantry fighting vehicle hi
  10. maxxdesign
    maxxdesign 3 June 2016 08: 51
    0
    why a machine gun if hail hits from a distance of 40 km? some kind of ukrotransformer already turns out ... if only more guns, machine guns and smoke bombs to stick to where they vryatli will be used ... while sacrificing patency due to weight
    the only such reservation will partially help on the march when ambushed in any Afghan gorge ... and the machine gun will come in handy and armor ... but the hail mostly works from a distance ... and only return fire can cover them ... therefore they should be easy to quickly collapse and leave from positions ... this is not an assault technique, this is art support
    1. Number 17
      Number 17 3 June 2016 15: 35
      0
      Here, too, a man is trying to convey the truth to you.
  11. saryarka
    saryarka 3 June 2016 08: 52
    +4
    In such conflicts as in Syria or Donbass, booking is not superfluous. And modern conflicts are now similar.
  12. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 3 June 2016 08: 54
    +6
    Protection against small arms - not very impressive. Will the enemy's DRGs use rocket-propelled grenades and land mines, and will the windshield glass also be "armored"? And then the machine gun is somehow chilly sticking out, the lower bust in the windshield laughing
    1. avt
      avt 3 June 2016 09: 50
      +2
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      . Enemy DRG will use rocket-propelled grenades and HEs

      Yes, fullness! They will use what they carry away to the raid and what they have at the moment.
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Protection from the small arms - not very impressed.

      And how can you determine the level from the photo? It would be necessary to know the data of the shelling of the protection. But everything is better than with the side window lowered and the bulletproof vest thrown over the door. As you like, and if there is an opportunity to protect the crew, which for a minute is not just going to point "A" on a hitch, they still do the main work on the car, then it’s better with an armored car ..... and the machine gun is not superfluous Well, they don't carry it in their hands, it rides itself on the roof - it doesn't bother anyone.
  13. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 3 June 2016 09: 01
    +2
    Well, with a machine gun busting .......... the main fight against air targets is from a PC ????? Well, is it possible to shred an enemy drone small - and even if you get there.
  14. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 3 June 2016 09: 03
    +3
    By the way, the Belarusian version of modernization is BelGrad.
    1. avt
      avt 3 June 2016 09: 52
      +1
      Quote: Volga Cossack
      By the way, the Belarusian version of modernization is BelGrad.

      But what about modernization of the main armament in Belgrade? Replacing the chassis with a manufactured one. For the modernization of weapons is not enough.
    2. Rash
      Rash 3 June 2016 10: 37
      +1
      Simple and tasteful. And most importantly, your chassis!
    3. Number 17
      Number 17 3 June 2016 15: 37
      0
      Cool. And BM and tzm in one car. Who in the subject will understand.
  15. Volga Cossack
    Volga Cossack 3 June 2016 09: 03
    0
    By the way, the Belarusian version of modernization is BelGrad.
  16. zadorin1974
    zadorin1974 3 June 2016 09: 04
    +2
    Kazakhs rule! Either the outskirts are burning with wunderwaves, now Kazakhstan has begun, and our silk workers are happy to try to carry nonsense. Let's start with the BM 21, which is cooler than the Tornado: the KAMAZ chassis and the cockpit and the machine gun on the roof are covered with steel sheets, is this cool? GPS turns the old "Grad" into a super high-precision device, and not a means of working over the areas? Ammunition then they did not release their own. and Belorussia with Maz), and where are the improved ammunition of our own production? In general, the exhibition in Kazakhstan showed so much coolness: the tanks are no worse than UVZ and armored personnel carriers, and here is the Armored Grad. It's time for the poor Russian to get sandals!
  17. Redfox3k
    Redfox3k 3 June 2016 09: 20
    +1
    Machine gun, apparently, to shoot from suckers? smile But seriously, the ammunition itself needs to be modernized, working on accuracy and accuracy, well, and the LMS, respectively, should be improved taking into account modern technologies.
  18. Sergey-72
    Sergey-72 3 June 2016 09: 31
    +1
    In modern wars there is no front, so for countries like Syria, such modernization will go. In general, striking a blow from tens of kilometers. and weighing the car with iron is not ice, firstly why reinvent the wheel, secondly it is not very profitable economically, and in the third "Grad" the car is not the front edge, but under the DRG you can get anywhere and this body kit will not save you.
  19. megafair
    megafair 3 June 2016 09: 31
    +2
    If you upgrade, then like this:
  20. Xocelolprox
    Xocelolprox 3 June 2016 09: 44
    +1
    It is very doubtful, unless in some kind of hybrid war, where it is not clear who is friend and who is enemy. It would be better to increase firepower.
  21. Sochi
    Sochi 3 June 2016 09: 59
    0
    The next modernization is the D-30 howitzer, PKM and circular crew protection with gun guards will be put on the shield ...
    1. Talgat 148
      Talgat 148 5 June 2016 13: 17
      0
      We will deliver !!! And we will screw MANPADS, a dump from a bulldozer! Radio with microwave !!! And most importantly, we won’t ask you !!!
  22. Kadex
    Kadex 3 June 2016 11: 34
    +7
    A very interesting upgrade option. Reservations provide protection against small arms. This is enough to ensure that the crew is safe on the march or parking lot. Do not forget that the gunners are sitting in the cockpit. The goal of RPGs and ATGMs is their abbreviation. The machine gun mounted on the roof has a good overview and the firing sector. Given the reservation of the cabin, a kind of bunker on wheels.
    The only desire is to disguise the artillery platform as a van, which would not differ from other trucks on the march.
  23. Stalnov I.P.
    Stalnov I.P. 3 June 2016 11: 37
    +1
    As everyone loves to praise themselves, only for some reason they forgot to say that the firing range of new ammunition of Tornado G is 100 km, namely Tornado G, not U or C, these data are officially announced by the supplier’s representatives in the media, so which system is better?
  24. Stabilization
    Stabilization 3 June 2016 12: 04
    +2
    Either it seems to me, or in the photo the sighting equipment is all from the same good old "Grad", right behind the launcher itself there is hung there ... What then control and aiming without leaving? ...
  25. sclerosis
    sclerosis 3 June 2016 12: 49
    +1
    Quote: Simon
    The machine is designed to work in the frontline, and here may appear and enemy intelligence, and saboteurs. Therefore, machine protection is necessary.

    Against a hypothetical enemy DRG should (no, MUST) be your competently organized cover.
  26. Res_Ullus
    Res_Ullus 3 June 2016 13: 29
    +2
    Of course, I'm not hinting at anything, but in my childhood I had a designer "Small Automation" .... wink Sorry if I offended anyone)))