Modernized Grad presented in Kazakhstan

The company "Kaztehnologii" presented a radically modernized system of volley fire "Grad". Having abandoned the traditional "Ural", the designers used the KAMAZ chassis, which is assembled in Kazakhstan at the KAMAZ-Engineering enterprise, reports Messenger of Mordovia.

According to a number of experts, in matters of security, the new Kazakhstan “Grad” surpasses the Russian system “Tornado G”.

“The car has received a reservation for the cabin, other critical units. For self-defense on the roof mounted anti-aircraft machine gun PC, which, of course, can be used not only for air, but also for ground targets. A system for launching smoke grenades was also mounted. There are means of communication, ”writes the publication.

“Today we presented a modernized combat vehicle BM-21 MLRS Grad. It meets all modern standards. In the course of the modernization, modern technologies were used, fully automated, increased accuracy of shooting, there is a satellite and automated system. The survival rate on the battlefield is much higher, unlike the previous mark ",

quoted by "Bulletin" the words of the chief specialist of "Kaztechnologies" Andrey Karypov.

“After the test, we expect it to go into a series of combat vehicles of the Armed Forces of the country,” he added, not excluding that foreign customers might be interested in the combat vehicle.

Help edition: "The total mass of the upgraded BM-21 - 15,82 t. Crew - 3 man. Maximum speed - 90 km / h. Power reserve - 500 km. Possible firing range - up to 40 km. The installed automated control system for guidance and fire allows the crew to prepare the car for firing without leaving the cabin. Kazakhstan Grad can be integrated into reconnaissance-strike complexes ”.

Comments

[kagorta]

And I like the Kazakhs and their financial unit is better than ours worked. And in the military-industrial complex, cones are stuffing, but developing. Well done.
By the way, whose positioning system is Glonass or ASS-S? And whose development is the LMS?

[Alex_Rarog]

Well, yes, an interesting device turned out! and about navigation most likely both options!

[Simon]

In principle, it looks fine! The main thing is given an impetus for modernization, now ours will come up with something cooler.

[made13]

Why cooler? Booking this technique is not necessary, the machine gun too. If it came to the direct clash of the City with the enemy - this is either a betrayal or negligence of the commanders.
And the extra weight reduces the resource of the chassis and increases fuel consumption.

[Leto]

Quote: made13

Why cooler? Booking this technique is not necessary, the machine gun too.

It’s possible at the expense of a machine gun, but booking is necessary, a retaliatory strike is quite possible given the enemy’s counter-battery capabilities.

[Ratmir_Ryazan]

Do you not consider an attack of an enemy sabotage group in the rear or at a position? Or shelling a position with artillery or MLRS of the enemy? Bulletproof and even mine protection on such a powerful chassis that was originally designed for the transport of goods will not reduce its resource in any way, and will not greatly increase consumption, but protection will increase by multiple ... This can save the lives of fighters both in positions during the shelling and when attacking columns of enemy sabotage groups ... For me, now there shouldn’t be armored vehicles at all ...

[Buffet]

Please note that it is superior only in terms of security. The question is: "Nifiga goat button accordion?" There is no information on the range, power and other characteristics of the shells.

[godofwar6699]

Day 1 Kazakhstan International, exhibition

[Juborg]

In general, these are not the first line cars and the reserved cab is not needed in principle. They are not going to ride on it like a tank. It looks brutal, but no more. In terms of the power and range of the projectile, "Tornado-G" is superior, nothing else is needed.

[Denis DV]

in terms of security, the new Kazakhstan Grad surpasses the Russian Tornado G system

In total, the cost of the car was increased

[Abbra]

Well, this is still unknown ... In any case, such cooperation is welcome.

[Denis DV]

How not known? Any body kit and additional weapons cost money. The self-contained multiple launch rocket system was hung with armor and a machine gun. I would have kept such a stuffed animal on a shelf as a model

[Ami du peuple]

Quote: Denis DV

In total, the cost of the car was increased

Tell me why MLRS and a machine gun? Is this a cutting edge car? And what kind of "increase in survivability" in this case we are talking about, against the enemy's DRG or what?

[Denis DV]

Tell me, why MLRS booking and machine gun? Is this a cutting edge machine?

Why not this is not a leading edge machine, probably so expensive and worse

[Simon]

The machine is designed to work in the frontline, and here may appear and enemy intelligence, and saboteurs. Therefore, machine protection is necessary.

[vladimirw]

I don’t think that a pumet on the roof will save me from DRG, it’s rather a smoke screen

[Winnie76]

Quote: Ami du peuple

Tell me, why MLRS booking and machine gun? Is this a cutting edge machine?

Direct fire will fig in the same battle order with the Terminators and tanks. It was necessary to put Bahchu on the cockpit, laughed))))

[godofwar6699]

better to have armor!

[x.andvlad]

If only to protect against fragments during the shelling of the OP, if you have not had time to leave it. But the cabin has probably become prohibitively heavy, because it needs to be lifted for maintenance.

[ALABAY45]

If the firing range is 40 km., Why bulletproof and splinterproof booking ?! He shot back and was blown away from a position so as not to fall under return fire, or did the concept of using MLRS change ?!

[kagorta]

You are a member of the MLRS calculation and you were given a choice of a car with anti-shatter and bulletproof booking and just without booking? All other characteristics are comparable. What do you choose?
Yes, I forgot to say that tomorrow on the march the enemy DRG awaits you ...

[ALABAY45]

I would choose the fastest car, and not a sedentary "monster" ... Yes, I forgot to say that the DRG may have an RPG in their hands, and, here - "no options" ...

[aba]

I would choose the fastest car

He already has 90 km / h. So if the difference is if without reservation it will be 95-105 km / h?
And given the population density and the length of the borders of the Republic of Kazakhstan, even excluding the border with Russia, armor in any case will not be superfluous.

[avt]

Quote: kagorta

You are a member of the MLRS calculation and you were given a choice of a car with anti-shatter and bulletproof booking and just without booking? All other characteristics are comparable. What do you choose?

Quote: ALABAY45

I would choose the fastest car, not a sedentary "monster"

Something I doubt that install on Porsche Grad and generally go to the front. Now on the topic - from the positive

the designers used the KAMAZ chassis, which is assembled in Kazakhstan at the KAMAZ-Engineering enterprise,

Chassis from a localized manufacturer - a clear solution.

in terms of security, the new Kazakhstan Grad is superior to the Russian Tornado G system.

Of course, it’s somehow calmer to drive in a car with protection from riflemen about fragments.
Now about incomprehensible

The installed automated guidance and fire control system allows the crew to prepare the vehicle for firing without leaving the cockpit. Kazakhstani Grad can be integrated into reconnaissance and strike complexes ”.

From the article it is not clear why, in terms of the main armament, this unit is better than the TornadoG? Well, there is no comparative analysis in the article.

[ALABAY45]

"... and generally go to the front. laughing ..."
Me not! You probably have tied the laces on your trousers and your wife in the hallway is feverishly stuffed a piece of fat in the back pocket of your husband’s uniform pants ...?!

[Maxom75]

And if there is a threat of meeting with the DRG, the escort and cover group is no longer sent to protect the MLRS? Do we keep armored personnel carriers and infantry fighting vehicles for beauty in the army? Regarding the machine gun on the roof, have you tried to shoot down a modern plane with a machine gun? And such a caliber is not dangerous at all for a helicopter. Against DRGs, it is useless, since in frontal protection while moving, the machine gun operator will simply be thrown out of the cab while driving or will receive injuries incompatible with life. Try to get somewhere on the off-road with a KAMAZ machine gun from a machine gun.))) Plus the machine gunner's shield is weak protection from a sniper that is in every DRG, and the Kamaz armor is from RPGs. By the way, if the DRG detects the MLRS unaccompanied, then there are very few MLRSs to remain intact, yet these systems are used from the depths of the defense, and not an advanced vehicle. In my opinion, the leadership of the Kazakh military-industrial complex wanted to get some money from the government, so they do what they can, even if this principle does not make sense. Look at Ukraine, this is where the "engineering thought" haunts the hands. The "geniuses of design and engineering thought" from the "Azov" battalion are especially active.))))

[Number 17]

That's the right person to write. Listen to him.

[rammjager]

If the enemy’s DRG is on the march, there’s no sense from the machine gun on the roof. However, as well as from bulletproof booking. Take a word.

[Gray brother]

Quote: ALABAY45

if the firing range is 40 km., why bulletproof anti-splinter armor ?!

An armored cabin is not bad - along the way hooligans can fire, and MLRSs are not always used from the utmost distance, but the machine gun is clearly superfluous.
An interesting example of shushpancerostroeniya.

[Denis DV]

I will add: as my driving instructor said, "Ural" has one and a half meters of life in front

[Taygerus]

I think the point here is the protection of the comrade's cabin, the rest is also only in profile

[enot73]

in terms of security, the new Kazakhstan Grad surpasses the Russian Tornado G system

Quote: Denis DV

In total, the cost of the car was increased

"Tornado G" is still more "advanced" MLRS. The system is 15 times more effective than the predecessor "Grad" in terms of combat effectiveness, the ratio of gunpowder to body weight in the new missile has been improved 10 times. In addition to the old used ammunition for the BM-21 MLRS, the range also includes new ammunition with increased range and combat power, as well as specially developed ammunition for the Tornado-G system, which increases its maximum firing range to 100 km.

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[Denis DV]

"Tornado G" is still more "advanced" MLRS

This is clear to the cat just what do we compare it with the armored cab and the KAMAZ chassis?

[code54]

Odometer? Wow!!! Nothing !!!

[kolkulon]

Why book? In case of a duel?

[KOH]

And why not, for example with drg ...

[Zomanus]

Something reminiscent of the Novoukrainian technique. Armature on the front is not enough.

[Barakuda]

According to a number of experts, in matters of security, the new Kazakhstan “Grad” surpasses the Russian system “Tornado G”.

What kind of system is this? Stupidly shielded telescopic stealth armor.? Well, the author would not write nonsense. The truck is loaded, it is the truck. And the shell already did not care. A fighter for 150 meters in the bushes from RPG organizes scrap.

[nelson]

The kamaz presses the Urals, although the BD showed a higher survivability and unpretentiousness of the Urals in isolation from the rem. funds.

[BARKAS]

And they didn’t put it on the tank like Pinocchio!

[Naiman]

Looks good. Savings due to the use of KAMAZ, which is going to Kazakhstan, are likely. Reservation from bombings, traffic on hot spots, suddenly what will fly from

[Gray brother]

Quote: Naiman

Looks good. Savings due to the use of KAMAZ, which is going to Kazakhstan, are likely. Reservation from bombings, traffic on hot spots, suddenly what will fly from

There is still a TZM protected, based on the truck, to gash. And then the shortage turns out.

[godofwar6699]

Kazakhstan, production of modern wheeled armored vehicles "Barys" will be organized

[godofwar6699]

Barys 8x8 infantry fighting vehicle

[maxxdesign]

why a machine gun if hail hits from a distance of 40 km? some kind of ukrotransformer already turns out ... if only more guns, machine guns and smoke bombs to stick to where they vryatli will be used ... while sacrificing patency due to weight
the only such reservation will partially help on the march when ambushed in any Afghan gorge ... and the machine gun will come in handy and armor ... but the hail mostly works from a distance ... and only return fire can cover them ... therefore they should be easy to quickly collapse and leave from positions ... this is not an assault technique, this is art support

[Number 17]

Here, too, a man is trying to convey the truth to you.

[saryarka]

In such conflicts as in Syria or Donbass, booking is not superfluous. And modern conflicts are now similar.

[Mountain shooter]

Protection against small arms - not very impressive. Will the enemy's DRGs use rocket-propelled grenades and land mines, and will the windshield glass also be "armored"? And then the machine gun is somehow chilly sticking out, the lower bust in the windshield

[avt]

Quote: Mountain Shooter

. Enemy DRG will use rocket-propelled grenades and HEs

Yes, fullness! They will use what they carry away to the raid and what they have at the moment.

Quote: Mountain Shooter

Protection from the small arms - not very impressed.

And how can you determine the level from the photo? It would be necessary to know the data of the shelling of the protection. But everything is better than with the side window lowered and the bulletproof vest thrown over the door. As you like, and if there is an opportunity to protect the crew, which for a minute is not just going to point "A" on a hitch, they still do the main work on the car, then it’s better with an armored car ..... and the machine gun is not superfluous Well, they don't carry it in their hands, it rides itself on the roof - it doesn't bother anyone.

[Volga Cossack]

Well, with a machine gun busting .......... the main fight against air targets is from a PC ????? Well, is it possible to shred an enemy drone small - and even if you get there.

[Volga Cossack]

By the way, the Belarusian version of modernization is BelGrad.

[avt]

Quote: Volga Cossack

By the way, the Belarusian version of modernization is BelGrad.

But what about modernization of the main armament in Belgrade? Replacing the chassis with a manufactured one. For the modernization of weapons is not enough.

[Rash]

Simple and tasteful. And most importantly, your chassis!

[Number 17]

Cool. And BM and tzm in one car. Who in the subject will understand.

[Volga Cossack]

By the way, the Belarusian version of modernization is BelGrad.

[zadorin1974]

Kazakhs rule! Either the outskirts are burning with wunderwaves, now Kazakhstan has begun, and our silk workers are happy to try to carry nonsense. Let's start with the BM 21, which is cooler than the Tornado: the KAMAZ chassis and the cockpit and the machine gun on the roof are covered with steel sheets, is this cool? GPS turns the old "Grad" into a super high-precision device, and not a means of working over the areas? Ammunition then they did not release their own. and Belorussia with Maz), and where are the improved ammunition of our own production? In general, the exhibition in Kazakhstan showed so much coolness: the tanks are no worse than UVZ and armored personnel carriers, and here is the Armored Grad. It's time for the poor Russian to get sandals!

[Redfox3k]

Machine gun, apparently, to shoot from suckers? But seriously, the ammunition itself needs to be modernized, working on accuracy and accuracy, well, and the LMS, respectively, should be improved taking into account modern technologies.

[Sergey-72]

In modern wars there is no front, so for countries like Syria, such modernization will go. In general, striking a blow from tens of kilometers. and weighing the car with iron is not ice, firstly why reinvent the wheel, secondly it is not very profitable economically, and in the third "Grad" the car is not the front edge, but under the DRG you can get anywhere and this body kit will not save you.

[megafair]

If you upgrade, then like this:

[Xocelolprox]

It is very doubtful, unless in some kind of hybrid war, where it is not clear who is friend and who is enemy. It would be better to increase firepower.

[Sochi]

The next modernization is the D-30 howitzer, PKM and circular crew protection with gun guards will be put on the shield ...

[Talgat 148]

We will deliver !!! And we will screw MANPADS, a dump from a bulldozer! Radio with microwave !!! And most importantly, we won’t ask you !!!

[Kadex]

A very interesting upgrade option. Reservations provide protection against small arms. This is enough to ensure that the crew is safe on the march or parking lot. Do not forget that the gunners are sitting in the cockpit. The goal of RPGs and ATGMs is their abbreviation. The machine gun mounted on the roof has a good overview and the firing sector. Given the reservation of the cabin, a kind of bunker on wheels.
The only desire is to disguise the artillery platform as a van, which would not differ from other trucks on the march.

[Stalnov I.P.]

As everyone loves to praise themselves, only for some reason they forgot to say that the firing range of new ammunition of Tornado G is 100 km, namely Tornado G, not U or C, these data are officially announced by the supplier’s representatives in the media, so which system is better?

[Stabilization]

Either it seems to me, or in the photo the sighting equipment is all from the same good old "Grad", right behind the launcher itself there is hung there ... What then control and aiming without leaving? ...

[sclerosis]

Quote: Simon

The machine is designed to work in the frontline, and here may appear and enemy intelligence, and saboteurs. Therefore, machine protection is necessary.

Against a hypothetical enemy DRG should (no, MUST) be your competently organized cover.

[Res_Ullus]

Of course, I'm not hinting at anything, but in my childhood I had a designer "Small Automation" .... Sorry if I offended anyone)))