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"Serial tank killers" - in Syria they hate ATGM operators

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"Serial tank killers" - in Syria they hate ATGM operators



Before the outbreak of the civil war, Syrian ground forces were among the largest in the Middle East in terms of the number of armored vehicles available. Therefore, it is not surprising that in the battles with insurgents, government forces tried to realize this advantage. During the fighting, the operator of anti-tank launchers became one of the most sought-after and, accordingly, respected among terrorists specialty.

According to some data, initially the basis of the ATGM calculations was made by the former military personnel of the government troops, who went over to the side of the militants. Later, the training of such specialists already engaged in foreign sponsors. Initially, the rebels used, mainly, anti-tank complexes captured from government arsenals, including such modern ones as Cornet and Metis M. Then the ATGM, including the notorious TOW-2A, began to be supplied from abroad.



Assad’s Achilles heel was a relatively poor preparation of a large part of the crews, so observers were annoyed when tankers and soldiers who controlled light armored vehicles so easily caught ATGMs. As a rule, missile hits led to very serious consequences - the destruction of the material part and the death of the crew. A negative role was also played by the fact that most of the obsolete T-55, T-62, as well as T-72 early releases were not equipped with dynamic protection. Although the facts of defeat and destruction of combat vehicles with remote sensing were recorded. Experienced operators, even aiming rockets in the most covered forehead tanks, managed to send them to vulnerable weakened areas.



Another feature of the Syrian conflict was that the ATGM operators quite often destroyed the airplanes and airplanes of the SAR Air Force on the airfields.

As a result, ATGM operators have become one of the most hated enemies for government troops. Now the destruction of such a terrorist is considered a great success. So, recently in the area of ​​Aleppo, a TOW anti-tank gunfighter, who had been active since the spring of last year as part of one of the Turkish groups, was destroyed. This caused a natural joy among the fighters of the government forces and those who sympathize with them.



We asked this question to comment on one of the most famous experts on the Syrian conflict, Yuri Lyamin (imp-navigator.livejournal.com):

“Yes, indeed, in Syria, the ATGM operators are considered elite. The fact is that their training costs more than other militants — you need to shoot more than one ATGM. For some terrorists, according to some videos, there are really very well trained operators .

They are trained, now, apparently, in training camps created by sponsors of militants in Turkey and Jordan. Moreover, the main part, apparently, is undergoing training in Turkey, and the calculations of TOW are most active in the north of Syria, closer to the Turkish border.



An interesting feature is that TOW supplies to each individual group must be approved by the United States (more precisely, by the CIA). But it remains unclear whether the role of the United States and the rest ends there, that is, Saudi Arabia and Turkey take on direct supplies and training, or does the United States also take part in this. As far as we know, Qatar does not participate in this, and they never had a TOW either. The Qataris seem to be responsible for the supply of HJ-8 ATGMs from Sudan to the militants, these complexes are also used against the armored vehicles of the government troops. "
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  1. RuslanNN
    RuslanNN 4 June 2016 09: 53
    +34
    They must be dealt with as snipers in Chechnya, not taken prisoner
    1. weksha50
      weksha50 4 June 2016 10: 01
      +35
      Quote: RuslanNN
      They must be dealt with as snipers in Chechnya, not taken prisoner



      And even better - to do some sort of trouble with regard to training centers in Turkey and Jordan ...

      And the Kurds could do that ...
      1. novobranets
        novobranets 4 June 2016 10: 23
        +6
        Quote: weksha50
        to do some kind of thing about training centers in Turkey and Jordan ...

        The Turks have long run into a byak. To baa alshuyu such a jag. The main supplier and friend of ISIS, and especially not hiding it.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 4 June 2016 10: 44
          +17
          Already ran into. Recently, there was a message about the loss by Turkish aircraft of two modern self-propelled guns from ATGM fire.
          Turkey’s massive investment in the Syrian war began to pay dividends.

          Such "good" as support for terrorists never goes unpunished.
      2. Alekseev
        Alekseev 4 June 2016 11: 06
        +17
        Quote: weksha50
        Better yet, make some kind of bjaka

        Better yet, the Syrians do not entertain themselves with hopes that the ATGMs, which have now become as an integral part of infantry armaments, as, in due time, the machine gun will not be intensively used in this war.
        What to do, what to do?
        Yes, to take all known measures: anti-cumulative screens, remote sensing, smoke and aerosols, infrared suppressors, electronic warfare equipment, maneuver, and most importantly, fire suppression of TCP, destruction of stockpiles of weapons.
        They will say: for all this, trained rank-and-file tankmen and commanders are needed, and all, as well as all, all types of combat, rear and technical support are established. This is called the ability to fight and it is not easy.
        But there is no other way. request
        1. Verdun
          Verdun 4 June 2016 18: 35
          +10
          Quote: Alekseev
          But there is no other way

          There was always another way. Nobody just wants to send infantry forward. Human losses, even relatively small, are perceived today as something terrible, which should not be at all in the war. Meanwhile, the fight against ATGMs and ATGs is the direct responsibility of the infantry. It is impossible to detect and destroy such shooters only by technical means. And do not blame me that my point of view is cynical. I myself know that. But in war, as in war.
      3. tilix
        tilix 4 June 2016 11: 27
        +2
        byaku regarding training centers in Turkey and Jordan
        Kurds? Byaku? in jordan? I do not believe.
        1. GSH-18
          GSH-18 6 June 2016 13: 42
          0
          Quote: tilix
          I do not believe.

          Estessno! lol Turkey withdrew its disapproval of Israel’s entry into NATO!
          Now turk and jew bros forever laughing
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 4 June 2016 10: 10
      0
      This is not practical. Neither in terms of intelligence, nor in terms of psychological warfare.
    3. datur
      datur 4 June 2016 23: 09
      +1
      [quote = RuslanNN] They must be dealt with as snipers in Chechnya, not to be taken prisoner --- it’s wrong to first find out who-where-how much !! + who drove it, and then !!!!! wink
      1. Verdun
        Verdun 5 June 2016 17: 06
        +1
        Quote: datur
        They must be dealt with as snipers in Chechnya

        what's the difference - a sniper or ATGM operator, a simple soldier, or a duty officer on the Strategic Rocket Forces console? The main task of the soldier is to destroy as much technology and manpower of the enemy as possible. And since it is a war, not a knightly tournament, it does not matter how he does it. Otherwise, you can agree that the soldier who blew up the tank with him is a terrorist suicide bomber, and the demoman who derailed the train with soldiers and tanks is an unscrupulous criminal.
  2. alpamys
    alpamys 4 June 2016 09: 59
    +9
    VUS my "Senior ATGM operator" laughing they called us in the company foster.
    1. Vladimirets
      Vladimirets 4 June 2016 10: 01
      +9
      Quote: alpamys
      VUS my "Senior ATGM operator"

      Do not try to go to Syria: "in Syria they hate ATGM operators". Apparently, they love snipers. smile
      1. def89
        def89 4 June 2016 10: 38
        +19
        Nobody likes snipers. Therefore, we stand apart. It is not pleasant when your friend tells you in your face that this is a vile specialty. As they say - running away from a sniper you risk dying tired.
        1. mad
          mad 4 June 2016 10: 57
          +16
          Quote: def89
          It is not pleasant when your friend tells you in your face that this is a vile specialty.

          So he is not at all a comrade.
  3. Stinger
    Stinger 4 June 2016 10: 01
    +6
    Each operator must have a sniper.
    1. Alex_Rarog
      Alex_Rarog 4 June 2016 10: 08
      +8
      the most effective sniper is a sniper with a 125mm smoothbore gun) well, to help the calculation that controls this gun)
    2. Skubudu
      Skubudu 4 June 2016 18: 41
      +2
      Tanks need means of search and detection of RPG RPG calculations
      The future is for KAZ
    3. SSR
      SSR 4 June 2016 20: 07
      0
      Quote: Stinger
      Each operator must have a sniper.

      If the ATGM hits a range of 5 km., Then how much should a sniper rifle shoot?
      +)))
      Quote: Alex_Rarog
      the most effective sniper is a sniper with a 125mm smoothbore gun) well, to help the calculation that controls this gun)
  4. Vladimir 1964
    Vladimir 1964 4 June 2016 10: 02
    +7
    What is the article about? There are many letters, but with the availability of information, it is somehow weak. I do not want to offend the author, the man still tried, wasted time. But somehow it’s not interesting. sad
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 June 2016 10: 08
      +20
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      What is the article about? There are many letters, but with the availability of information, it is somehow weak. I do not want to offend the author, the man still tried, wasted time. But somehow it’s not interesting. sad

      Yes, the article is certainly weak, or rather no.
      -Sing 2 cannibals, one tells the other
      - I do not like ATGM operators !!!
      the second answers
      “You just don’t know how to cook them properly.” wassat
      1. samoletil18
        samoletil18 4 June 2016 10: 16
        +5
        One could write that "the favorite target of the tanker is the ATGM operettor, and you will become a hero, and the prize will be written out upon destruction."
        Not for VO article. I was thinking about ways to deal with them, but here about what they are.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 4 June 2016 10: 25
          +8
          Ways to fight? Do not stupid.

          For the second generation ATGM operator, there are two ideal goals. Fixed and moving with constant angular velocity. This should not be allowed.
      2. ALABAY45
        ALABAY45 4 June 2016 10: 26
        +2
        "... yes, the article is of course weak, or rather none ..."
        hi On the whole planet Earth, ATGM operators are simply adored! And, in Syria - they hate it .... And, after all, "someone" prepares them: it is not so quick and easy to put a camel breeder behind the ATURA sight. The question is who ?!
        1. cap
          cap 4 June 2016 10: 42
          +1
          Quote: ALABAY45
          "... yes, the article is of course weak, or rather none ..."
          hi On the whole planet Earth, ATGM operators are simply adored! And, in Syria - they hate it .... And, after all, "someone" prepares them: it is not so quick and easy to put a camel breeder behind the ATURA sight. The question is who ?!


          Uncle SAM and his henchmen.
          Sam
      3. tilix
        tilix 4 June 2016 11: 25
        +1
        The fact that their preparation is more expensive
        I mean, is not all gold that glitters?
        - You just don’t know how to cook them correctly
    2. Lopatov
      Lopatov 4 June 2016 10: 20
      +7
      There is a lot of information.

      The article talks about the fact that "peaceful protesters" have enough money even for such piece goods as trained ATGM operators.

      As for the fact that these are deserters from government troops, bullshit. They need either very expensive simulators and a bunch of training launches, which the Syrian army did not have by default before the civil war, or a huge combat experience.

      Training a good second-generation ATGM operator is a lot more expensive than training a good sniper. And it requires not only time, but also an excellent training base. They cannot be prepared at a shooting range in a ravine outside the outskirts of the village.

      So they have money, and there is room for preparation.
      1. atalef
        atalef 4 June 2016 10: 25
        +6
        Quote: Spade
        As for the fact that these are deserters from government troops, bullshit.

        Can’t you teach deserters?
        Quote: Spade
        Training a good second-generation ATGM operator is a lot more expensive than training a good sniper.

        I'll honestly say no, I believe.
        Donbass is an example for you - since miners are not only tanks, planes shot down --- and no one taught them wink
        Quote: Spade
        So they have money, and there is room for preparation.

        Of course there is, 5 years is a sufficient period.
        1. ALABAY45
          ALABAY45 4 June 2016 10: 38
          0
          "... and nobody taught them wink ..."
          Or maybe the old cadres of the Soviet Army, settled in an independent ?! repeat
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 June 2016 10: 45
            +4
            Quote: ALABAY45
            "... and nobody taught them wink ..."
            Or maybe the old cadres of the Soviet Army, settled in an independent ?! repeat

            Well, yes, in Ukraine for 20 years there was no army, and here (25 years) after the collapse of the USSR, all these specialists (who should be under a fifty dollars) climbed out of the mines and remembered everything in one moment mastered all the equipment and put down both tanks and airplanes.
            i.e. one of two
            Either it’s easy to learn how to use an ATGM operator (as you say) or (as Lopatov says) - someone came from the side.
            The most interesting thing is that both of you are related to this topic on the WM.
            1. Suhov
              Suhov 4 June 2016 14: 06
              +2
              Quote: atalef

              Well, yes, in Ukraine for 20 years there was no army, and here (25 years) after the collapse of the USSR, all these specialists (who should be under a fifty dollars) climbed out of the mines and remembered everything in one moment mastered all the equipment and put down both tanks and airplanes.

              Children have grown up at these specialists - also specialists.
              The ability to fight is inherited, at the genetic level, so to speak.
              That is why the "miners" quickly landed the aircraft of the Zhevto-Blakitovs.
              1. MAGA
                MAGA 4 June 2016 15: 09
                +2
                Quote: Sukhov
                The ability to fight is inherited, at the genetic level, so to speak.

                This is a banal lie, otherwise in what position are the descendants of the Spartans, legionnaires, samurai, Mongols and so on? It all depends on the upbringing and what example parents show - if you hammer on a tree it will grow crooked and will be blown away by a strong wind.
                1. ALABAY45
                  ALABAY45 4 June 2016 19: 12
                  +6
                  "... Spartans, legionnaires, samurai, Mongols ..."
                  Yes, in no way! Greece, Italy, Japan ...?! All-conquering warriors! recourse Here, only the Mongols, for whom I have respect! Calm and adequate: during the Great Patriotic War, I repeat: mashtaki (horses), unpretentious, hardy, carrying tools, sheep wool (sweaters for pilots and divers, underwear, socks, foot wraps), sheepskin coats, leather for saddles, harnesses, harness ... Fur vests, fur pants, fur boots ("Mongols"). Stew and meat, camel blankets and camels themselves (photo of defeated Berlin) ... About "olives", "pizza", "sushi" during the Great Patriotic War, I have, information-zero ...! And the most interesting thing: they (Mongols) have no complaints about us!
        2. Lopatov
          Lopatov 4 June 2016 10: 59
          +2
          Quote: atalef
          Can’t you teach deserters?

          Can. But there is no difference from civilian "raw materials". Moreover, if a civilian has a higher intelligence, better education, greater psychological stability, then he is preferable.

          Well, except for the former crew members of the armored vehicles, very good ATGMs will come out of them. But this experience will not affect the training program.

          Quote: atalef
          I'll honestly say no, I believe.
          Donbass is an example for you - since miners are not only tanks, planes shot down --- and no one taught them

          This is not due to good preparation, but due to the stupidity of the loyalist crews of armored vehicles, airplanes and helicopters.


          Quote: atalef
          Of course there is, 5 years is a sufficient period.

          And where does the term and place of preparation?
          1. atalef
            atalef 4 June 2016 11: 03
            +3
            Quote: Spade
            Can. But there is no difference from civilian "raw materials".

            Of course there are
            Quote: Spade
            Well, with the exception of the former crew members of the armored vehicles-

            tankers (in your version) do not have

            Quote: Spade
            intelligence, better education, greater psychological stability

            Quote: Spade
            This is not due to good preparation, but due to the stupidity of the loyalist crews of armored vehicles, airplanes and helicopters.

            Well, in your opinion, they a priori should not be able to shoot.
            Anyway, Lopatov - good to carry bullshit.
            Quote: Spade
            And where does the term and place of preparation

            But because it is possible to teach a bear on a bicycle in 3 years, but here it is 5 years.
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 4 June 2016 11: 24
              +3
              Quote: atalef
              Of course there are

              No. Definitely. I had the opportunity to compare. A cadet on "experience" in training, in the troops - at the training camp of operators.


              Quote: atalef
              Well, in your opinion, they a priori should not be able to shoot.

              In order to hit the "ideal" target, no special skill is needed. A couple of hours of practice, and the "blank" is ready. But in Syria, judging by the videos, the goals are not at all "ideal"


              Quote: atalef
              Anyway, Lopatov - good to carry bullshit.

              What a good argument. Reinforced concrete. From a series of militant dilettantism. It remains to say "show me the entrance to the submarine, and I will find a thousand flaws in it"
              1. atalef
                atalef 4 June 2016 11: 30
                +2
                Quote: Spade
                No. Definitely. I had the opportunity to compare. Cadet on "experience" in training, in the troops - at the training camp of operators

                Well then, what's the problem? If there is no difference, then why ditheries are not suitable? At least they have knowledge in other areas of military affairs and there is a concept of discipline

                Quote: Spade
                You don't need any special skill to hit the "ideal" target. A couple of hours of practice, and the "blank" is ready

                strange, before that you spoke
                Quote: Spade
                Training a good second-generation ATGM operator is a lot more expensive than preparing a good sniper

                Quote: Spade
                But in Syria, judging by the videos, the goals are not at all "ideal"

                So time has passed enough, experience gained.
                Quote: Spade
                What a good argument. Reinforced concrete. From a series of militant amateurism

                No, a statement of fact - that means the miner got out of the mine and a ready-made operator or tanker, but not in Syria?
                Quote: Spade
                It remains to say "show me the entrance to the submarine, and I will find a thousand flaws in it"

                He was in the submarine more than once. hi
                1. Lopatov
                  Lopatov 4 June 2016 11: 35
                  +3
                  Quote: atalef
                  He was in the submarine more than once.

                  What's the difference?

                  Let's argue about the taste of oysters and coconuts with those who ate them, to hoarseness, before a fight, perceiving the taste of food by ear, color to a tooth, stench in the eye, imagining a movie by name, painting by last name, country by "Film Travel Club "... (c) M. Zhvanetsky
      2. tilix
        tilix 4 June 2016 11: 35
        +4
        About the fact that these are deserters from government troops, bullshit
        They deserted the departments, with a fully trained, and most importantly, experienced personnel. It’s probably hard for you to recall, but
        Initially, hostilities were fought between the government army and the Free Syrian Army (SSA).
        Which were made up of (look at the beginning) Deserted by departments, with a fully trained, and most importantly experienced personnel.
        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 4 June 2016 11: 56
          +1
          Quote: tilix
          Deserted by departments, with a fully trained, and most importantly, experienced personnel.

          But there were no trained ATGM operators among them. As well as "experienced". The youngest Syrians who had real combat experience by 2011 were 56 years old.
          1. tilix
            tilix 4 June 2016 12: 47
            +4
            real combat experience
            or experienced. There is a big difference, don't you think?
            But there were no trained ATGM operators among them
            Where did the firewood come from? As far as I know, there were many.
            The Sunnis deserted, in hundreds, in thousands, from a simple soldier to a general. And the composition of the Syrian army, where the Sunnis are infantry, could not be among them operators of anti-tank systems.
            But, I will not argue that for new species, you need to retrain. And I didn't take it out of the box, and yalla ...
            1. Lopatov
              Lopatov 4 June 2016 14: 52
              +3
              Quote: tilix
              Sunni Deserted

              This, to put it mildly, is a strong simplification of what is happening in Syria. Promoted by Western propaganda. To reduce everything to a confrontation between the Sunni majority and the ruling (certainly unjust) Alawite minority is beneficial. But not true.
              However, Western propaganda takes its target audience as stupid, and therefore works in a bright comic style ...


              Quote: tilix
              And according to the composition of the Syrian army, where the Sunnis are infantry, ATGM operators could not help but be among them.

              You see, there is a huge difference between "serving as an operator" and "being an operator".
              Before the war, the Syrian army did not have any opportunities to prepare them well.
              1. tilix
                tilix 4 June 2016 17: 35
                +3
                great simplification of what is happening in Syria
                Yes you? Maybe tell us the ethnic composition, percent, and then we will judge. Until then, accept as an axiom,
                The Allawites, the ruling minority, are found in command, motorized, air force, and PVA.
                The Druze, the Allawite allies today, prefer, again today, not to join the Syrian army but to fight with their militia.
                The Sunnis in the Syrian army were almost all exclusively in the infantry. Partially motorized. Why do you think the Syrians need infantry from Lebanon and Iran? Its not enough.

                So, there were desertions (And at first they said no), and the operators among them were excellent (and at first they said no).
    3. Professor
      Professor 4 June 2016 12: 43
      +3
      Quote: Vladimir 1964
      I do not want to offend the author, the man still tried, wasted time.

      And I put him a well-deserved minus. negative
      According to some reports ...
      apparently
      apparently
      But it remains unclear
      As far as known
      like
  5. iouris
    iouris 4 June 2016 10: 29
    -1
    Practice in this matter is extremely important. An acquaintance told that under his command there was a warrant officer who was able to direct ATGMs with his feet (!) He served in one of the "hot spots", there was no shortage of ATGMs.
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 June 2016 10: 36
      +2
      Quote: iouris
      A friend of his friend said that under his command there was a warrant officer who was able to induce ATGM with his feet (!)

      laughing
      1. tilix
        tilix 4 June 2016 11: 39
        +4
        < laughing >
        But in vain, because about the operators of Sager, they still didn’t say that. Sager how to induce you know?
        1. tilix
          tilix 4 June 2016 12: 59
          +1
          Sager is “Baby” (GRAU Index - 9K11 complex, 9М14 rocket)
          With us, Sager was called.
    2. ALABAY45
      ALABAY45 4 June 2016 10: 44
      +12
      "... there was no shortage of ATGMs ..."
      Throw all the expensive simulators out of the army ...! fellow ATGMs - "sea", I don't want a bullet ?! If a warrant officer - "with his feet", then, "senior warrant officer" - in what place did he direct ?! Really .... belay ?!
      1. atalef
        atalef 4 June 2016 11: 04
        +5
        Quote: ALABAY45
        If a warrant officer - "with his feet", then, "senior warrant officer" - in what place did he direct ?! Really ...

        And this is state secrets.
      2. AID.S
        AID.S 4 June 2016 14: 43
        +1
        Quote: ALABAY45
        If a warrant officer - "with his feet", then, "senior warrant officer" - in what place did he direct ?! Really ....?!

        Yes, he didn’t, but destroyed it.
  6. Mountain shooter
    Mountain shooter 4 June 2016 10: 36
    +13
    Semi-automatic ATGMs of the TOW-2 type require significantly less time for operator training than those old ones with manual control. But there are more opportunities. How much cognac I won by falling into a target on a steep trajectory from above ... Semiautomatic devices lead a projectile along the line of sight, giving out a launch point, even if you slammed the moment of the shot. Do not exaggerate the difficulty of working with semiautomatic devices. He sat down at the remote control, aimed the sight on the target, motionless or moving, made a start and lead the target in the crosshair, not straying. If the system is working, you will surely get there.
    Here is the aiming point to choose the right one - experience is needed here, but also not too "difficult". I apologize to the possible "objectors", but this is my military specialty, and my rank is an officer, although now it is "in reserve."
    1. Lopatov
      Lopatov 4 June 2016 11: 10
      +7
      Quote: Mountain Shooter
      Do not exaggerate the difficulty of working with semiautomatic devices. He sat down at the remote control, aimed the sight on the target, motionless or moving, made a start and lead the target in the crosshair, not straying.

      Oh! .. "Don't get lost".

      This is the most problematic moment. Especially if the flywheels VN and GN to induce. For a moving target, a rather difficult task.

      The second difficult point is that when launching, the reticle always "flies" from the aiming point.

      The third difficult moment - when launching on a moving target, not only the aiming mark "flies", the target can "jump" out of sight. Especially when cornering high speed movement and short range.

      The fourth difficult moment is the launch towards optical interference. There you have to work to divert the line of sight

      Fifth, constant readiness to retarget. For example, when, by the time the rocket arrives directly at the target, it hides behind folds in the terrain or local objects. They work on a more distant target with a smooth "drift" of the line of sight, so that the missile does not "fall".

      Shooting ATGMs of the first generation is uniquely more difficult, but the second is by no means a sinecure.
      Operators of only the third generation do not require special long training
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        1. Lopatov
          Lopatov 4 June 2016 11: 40
          +3
          Quote: atalef
          how then do they succeed in Syria?

          As far as I understand, the answer "they are trained by good instructors in specialized training centers outside the country" does not fit?
      2. Mountain shooter
        Mountain shooter 4 June 2016 19: 16
        +2
        I listed everything correctly. Especially that the mark flies off the target, or the target falls out of the sighting zone altogether. First, if you don't shoot at close range, it's not scary, without panic you wind Mark back. The same - if the target jumps out of the "field of view". It takes a little more time. The flywheel is yes. Here skill is needed, and coordination. There are people who are so uncoordinated that it is IMPOSSIBLE to teach. I selected the musicians. The pianists turned out to be the best. Well, or machine operators - but these rarely came across. You are right, earlier I had no idea how many people are so bad with their left hand! But among left-handers such did not come across laughing apparently life made me learn.
  7. Forever so
    Forever so 4 June 2016 10: 56
    0
    Let us remember the developer of Dynamo-Jet guns Leonid Kurchevsky !!!
  8. da Vinci
    da Vinci 4 June 2016 11: 40
    +4
    Destroy the operator - the task is very difficult. It is easier to actively use UAVs in order to monitor the installation sites of the ATGM complex and destroy it, if not before the shot, then it is guaranteed after, because the destruction of the launch machine (which is unmasked after the shot) with the aiming system and the operator (may be nearby) is also a big plus. wink
  9. berezin1987
    berezin1987 4 June 2016 12: 08
    +3
    It is necessary to put kaz on tanks. It may not be a new development, but the price of the tank should not increase much. The militants try to fire from long distances, the birds have a speed of about 250 m / s and fly in a straight line. The reaction time in the kaz will be enough to defeat the laser-guided bird. Also, it does not hinder to put laser irradiation sensors on the tanks with a smoke curtain system and automatic guidance of the gun on the laser radiation source. Difficulties can arise only with javelin-type birds, they are guided by a thermal signature and are not susceptible to interference like a smoke curtain
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 June 2016 12: 10
      +2
      Quote: berezin1987
      It is necessary to put on the tanks Kaz. Although this will not be a new development, the price of the tank should not increase much. Militants try to fire from long distances, The birds have a speed of about 250 m / s and fly in a straight line. The reaction time in the kaz will be enough to defeat the laser-guided bird. TIt also doesn’t interfere with the installation of laser radiation sensors on the tanks with a smoke detection system and automatic guidance of the gun on the laser radiation source. Difficulties can arise only with javelin-type birds, they are induced by a thermal signature and are not susceptible to interference such as a smoke curtain
      1. tilix
        tilix 4 June 2016 12: 50
        +1
        Also does not interfere with putting on tanks
        Or maybe we’ll also ask you not to interfere? Well, what is the rate? bully
    2. TOR2
      TOR2 4 June 2016 18: 28
      +1
      Quote: berezin1987
      It is necessary to put on the tanks Kaz. Although this will not be a new development, the price of the tank should not increase much.

      We have at best the T-72B3. am By the way, the picture is not fiction. The optics detection module can be installed on any equipment. Despite the seeming complexity, there is nothing tricky about it. The device scans the area with a laser. The ATGM sight, like any optical system, reflects light from external radiation sources. It is this reflection that our instrument fixes. The gopher has not fired yet, but you already know that it is. Sending a danger signal to the operator, the machine with a high frequency begins to "shade" the dangerous area with a more powerful laser, preventing the operator from working.
  10. Tim
    Tim 4 June 2016 12: 13
    +3
    Here is a part of these ATGMs and ATGMs that may be at the borders of Israel in the hands of (Islamist terrorists), let's see how the Jews will smile and troll friends hi
    1. atalef
      atalef 4 June 2016 12: 20
      +4
      Quote: Tima
      Here is a part of these ATGMs and ATGMs that may be at the borders of Israel in the hands of (Islamist terrorists), let's see how the Jews will smile and troll friends hi

      they have had them for a long time, the same is news to me.
    2. tilix
      tilix 4 June 2016 12: 52
      +4
      Do you know Hezbollah? In the hands of (Islamist terrorists). They have. And we all smile. wink
      1. aksakal
        aksakal 4 June 2016 18: 09
        +3
        Quote: tilix
        Do you know Hezbollah? In the hands of (Islamist terrorists). They have. And we all smile.

        “Why don't you smile?” You can do without Hezbollah laughing laughing Four Merkavas in the garage shoot without any Hezbollah laughing Yes, with your own training (training, Karl!) Shells laughing The funniest thing is that Hezbollah is also laughing - but what about it? You do better work for them laughing
        1. tilix
          tilix 4 June 2016 18: 36
          +2
          Why don't you smile? You can do without Hezbollah
          Well? That America was discovered, they say there are accidents? There is, and even in Russia, there is. And at the same time people are dying. Yes, what else? I'm looking for a semantic load in your opus, but I found laughing laughing laughing >.
          1. aksakal
            aksakal 4 June 2016 21: 20
            +6
            Quote: tilix
            Well? What discovered America, they say there are accidents?
            - Everyone has accidents, everyone has competent actions in an emergency, as well as everyone else. You would see how your soldiers acted in that situation - we, civilians in an ordinary unremarkable corporation, acted on training fire alarms even better laughing And then the tank ...
            I also remember how a crowd killed a Palestinian woman with a knife - there the girl is inadequate - you can smash her little finger, and around the brave Israeli soldiers run in a panic, even equipment (the benefit is not a weapon laughing laughing, and stores for this weapon) lose in a panic, and then shoot it. I don’t know if in this situation we have either a policeman, or just which guy would come up and take the knife away, and would give a slap in the face to come to his senses - in household wards this often happens and this is exactly what is allowed.
            What is the meaning of both of my posts? Yes, just in every post you poke and poke tirelessly and the unsurpassed perfection of your technology (remember Spike in Peru laughing ), the unsurpassed professionalism of their military (see post above), and the unsurpassed courage of their soldiers (see this post). Not tired? And you, the Israelis, have absolutely no difference of opinion, here on the forum there are people arguing, I even have disagreements among the patriotic, but the Israelis have no disagreements, even the phrases when praising their army are exactly the same, it seems that the professor got a few nicknames and praises and praises ... Clone you there, or what? Or program? And finally, haven’t you tried to be more modest? Then there will be less laughter similar to mine - people, if anything, will see what needs to be seen.
            1. tilix
              tilix 4 June 2016 23: 15
              +1
              The whole world has heard about your competent actions. Tell me, sir, I have no idea who is from Kazakhstan, about the meaning. You personally did not stand next to it with meaning, and not for the first time. Your whole point is gyylaughing>, and it would not be worth you where the horse with the hoof to climb.
              And yes, Mr. Odobryams, Absolutely not for you, to tell us about the unity of views. You, for lack of mind, will not be taken to Olga.
              And finally, you haven’t tried to be more modest
              Well, when you stop talking nonsense with your nonsense, we’ll think about it.
              In the meantime, bye, laughter.
              1. aksakal
                aksakal 5 June 2016 12: 37
                0
                Quote: tilix
                You personally didn’t stand close by, and not the first time.

                Quote: tilix
                And yes, Mr. Odobryams, Absolutely not for you, to tell us about the unity of views. You, for lack of mind, will not be taken to Olga.

                - Nu-nu, there are essentially no objections, we turn to individuals laughing Notice, you first started to get personal in response to my post that boasting in vain is simply stupid. Well, it's just ridiculous to omit Hybullah, which has ATGM operators, even though you yourself are your Merkavas 4 (Merkavas 4, Karl! laughing) shoot and without them. You went down to direct insults. After all, I can also include what you have included here, and it won’t seem a little - you can ask the professor and Atalef why they included me in the black list on the run. So be careful when cornering, it's just a warning
                1. tilix
                  tilix 5 June 2016 21: 34
                  +1
                  Include whatever you want, beloved Odobryams. I repeat for those who did not understand, I am personally addressing you and what should you be like in order not to understand? I, personally, I, no one else thinks you are feeble-minded, capable only of gyyylaughing> .This is my personal opinion, why do you need to draw? This is my answer to you on the essence of the semantic load of your kamenty.
                  You can enroll me in Ch.S., you can minus with your gopniks, complain, contribute to my distraction from the resource, and so on. Nothing will change from this. I repeat once again: I, personally, I, no one else thinks you are meager, capable only of gyyylaughing>. It's my personal opinion. And during this time it has not changed.
                  1. rabbi's pais
                    rabbi's pais 5 June 2016 22: 09
                    0
                    Quote: tilix
                    You can write me down in C.S.,

                    Only heifers in h with contribute.
                    Quote: tilix
                    you can minus with your gopniks

                    Gopnik are those who under the Israeli flag flicker?
                    Quote: tilix
                    I, personally, I, no one else think you are wacky, capable of only gee

                    Well it happens
    3. RedBaron
      RedBaron 4 June 2016 19: 50
      +1
      Quote: Tima
      Here is a part of these ATGMs and ATGMs that may be at the borders of Israel in the hands of (Islamist terrorists), let's see how the Jews will smile and troll friends hi

      The noble don Assad took care of Hamas and the Hezbolons to plant the latest cornets "which cannot be transferred under the contract" ... but after a while these cornets have already utilized his equipment, a coincidence? I don’t think so.
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  12. faterdom
    faterdom 4 June 2016 21: 28
    +4
    History sometimes likes to grin at all teeth, therefore, I think, inevitably the same, approved by the CIA Tou-2 from American trained Turkish specialists, American and Turkish armored objects will catch their sides. It always happens when you flirt with scumbags.
    1. RedBaron
      RedBaron 4 June 2016 22: 22
      +1
      Well, Russia is also "flirting" with Hamas, Hezbollah and the guards of the Islamic revolution ... I agree with everything else.
    2. tilix
      tilix 4 June 2016 23: 19
      +1
      It always happens when you flirt with scumbags
      Unpleasant to realize, but rightly said. But those overseas, and these think that they can always agree.
  13. igorek4515
    igorek4515 5 June 2016 05: 29
    0
    But those overseas, and these think that they can always agree

    And "those overseas" they generally know how to think ..? I have the impression that they don’t know how ... But like many others on this side of the ocean ..
  14. wanderer_032
    wanderer_032 5 June 2016 07: 44
    0
    Now the destruction of such a terrorist is considered a great success.

    That says exactly one thing, namely, that the command of the SV SAR is not able to develop tactics to counter the use of ATGM by the enemy, as well as take operational measures to identify and destroy both the installations themselves and the operators at the forefront, and cut off the supply of such ammunition to the territory of the country. Although all this can be done in principle - it is real and possible.
    1. wanderer_032
      wanderer_032 5 June 2016 07: 51
      0
      You just need to wean the women to do their favorite thing. Those. make them pay a disproportionate price for attempts to use portable ATGMs at the forefront. That's all.

      To do this, prepare the ATGM hunters from the existing personnel. As well as the available material forces and cf. Plus move your brains a little in the right direction.
  15. Oleg7700
    Oleg7700 5 June 2016 08: 55
    +1
    Why only TOU? Here is "Cornet" and its operator ...
    1. Manul
      Manul 5 June 2016 23: 42
      0
      Quote: Oleg7700
      Why only TOU? Here is "Cornet" and its operator ...

      Horror, what is there so jerked?
  16. Evil 55
    Evil 55 5 June 2016 12: 13
    0
    Each war has its own invaluable specialties, because the higher the value of the object, the greater the premium for its destruction ..
  17. Engineer
    Engineer 6 June 2016 09: 30
    0
    in Syria hate ATGM operators

    And what, the Syrians love snipers, martyrs, thugs? Strange title.